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00:48<twb>zomg numfmt(1coreutils) is something I wrote half-assedly myself, now I can throw my version away and use this, yay
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00:50<logan0405>anyone know if script location for pm-utils is still etc/pm/sleep.d and power.d? can't get it to work for some reason
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00:52<jm_>logan0405: no not anyone does, but pm-action man page mentions /etc/pm/sleep.d and /etc/pm/config.d
00:53<logan0405>i wasnt sure which manpage to look in pm-utils didnt have one
00:54<logan0405>no idea why i cant get my scripts to work there
00:57<jm_>no idea, but maybe systemd is used for that these days which has its own way of doing that, i.e. and etc.
00:57<logan0405>maybe so ill check it out
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01:53<twb>Is broadwayd (part of libgtk-3-bin) a... X display server, that you browse to with a web browser?
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01:55<jm_>I believe so, and I think that's what I had to use when messing with virt-manager
01:55<jm_>yup I can find it in my shell history
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01:58<twb>So everybody that installs an app server with gtk apps, accidentally also has a display manager there? :/
01:58<jm_>what's an alternative to 'su -' (and sux) that allows one to use ctrl-c other than sudo?
01:59<twb>jm_: su -c 'exec waffle' instead of -c 'waffle'
01:59<jm_>yeah but you have to start it manually
01:59<jm_>twb: nope, still get "Session terminated, terminating shell..." even with that on ctrl-c
02:00<jm_>maybe I should give up and use sudo
02:00<twb>What's the exact command?
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02:00<jm_>"su -c 'exec zsh' -" for example
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02:01<ryouma>where can i find instructions on how to not screw grub up when you copy debian from one drive to another? the issue as i understand it is that dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc stores stuff in debconf that then gets put into place, which screws up things like what locations you want things to point to.
02:02<ryouma>so if you do ordinary grub-install, then later upgrade grub-pc, it calls dpkg-reconfigure, which pollutes other stuff)
02:03<twb>jm_: su - -s /bin/zsh
02:03<twb>jm_: but if you have sudo, it would be best to use "sudo -i"
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02:06<jm_>twb: goo find thanks, I would have never figured out that would cause it to behave so much different from reading the man page
02:07<jm_>ahh moron, -c describes it: The executed command will have no controlling terminal, but -s does not list that
02:07<jm_>I think this was not there in the past
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02:07<jm_>now I need to find a way to have sux do that ;)
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02:13<twb> what am I doing wrong
02:13<jm_>ryouma: how does it screw up? looking at its postinst I can see it has code to detect device changes
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02:15<jm_>twb: to me that looks like broadwayd gets called with '-u' - can you use strace to verify?
02:15<twb> wtf
02:16<twb>jm_: ah yes, I see what you mean
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02:17<jm_>twb: maybe don't use -etrace=process to see if it prints anything sensible
02:18<twb>yeah there's more in there, but I agree with your analysis
02:18<twb>Aha! 811 execve("/usr/bin/broadwayd", ["/usr/bin/broadwayd", ":0", "-auth", "/var/lib/xdm/authdir/authfiles/A"...], [/* 17 vars */]) = 0
02:18<jm_>bummer, sux always uses -c, I'll need to switch to something else
02:19<jm_>odd that it doesn't complain about -a
02:19<twb>probably some undocumented option
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02:31<twb>is ldconfig actually used, except for installing/removing packages?
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02:33<jm_>probably people use it now and then when using third party packages or if they install from source (think /opt or /usr/local/foo)
02:34<twb>/usr/lib/python3.4/ctypes/ with subprocess.Popen(['/sbin/ldconfig', '-p'],
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02:34<twb>Also for updating the ramdisk
02:34<jm_>heh didn't have that kind of use in mind, but "rebuild the cache" action
02:36<twb>I'm building kiosk images that aren't supposed to change themselves (much) after the initial build, so looking at what things can get chucked up
02:36<jm_>then you probably don't need ldconfig
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02:38<ryouma>jm_: example: i rsynced wheezy from crucial to toshiba, fixed *tab, and chroot/update-initramfs/update-grub/grub-install, booted to toshiba, and upgraded to jessie. i believe that upgrading to jessie upgraded grub-pc, which then polluted the mbr of crucial with jessie's grub (pointing to toshiba). i want to make upgrading grub-pc not screw around with other mbrs or boot partitions. i want it to only affect the dr
02:38<ryouma>ive that is running. this is just one example. i do not trust upgrading grub-pc.
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02:39<jm_>ryouma: ahh you still had both devices in the system? then yeah I can see it happen
02:39<ryouma>i want crucial and toshiba to be hermetic
02:40<jm_>I never noticed this problem so far because I don't use debian to manage grub.cfg for me :)
02:40<twb>ryouma: I use extlinux where the MBR is a static file and never changes
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02:41<jm_>ryouma: in that case probably removing those from debconf db is the only option
02:41<ryouma>twb: i was thinking of ditching grub for syslinux, but that's a whole new thing i have to learn, wonder if it is going to be compatible, etc. i think i have grub figured out except for how to make upgrading grub-pc stop trying to be so fancy.
02:41<jm_>but yeah that's impractical on upgrades
02:42<ryouma>extlinux = syslinux?
02:43<twb>The only difference is fat (syslinux) vs. btrfs/ext (extlinux) vs. iso9660 (isolinux)
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02:43<twb>I confess that I don't bother to "upgrade" extlinux once it's installed and working
02:44<ryouma>what does fs type have to do with anything? are you saying /boot can't be ext2?
02:44<jm_>it can be if you use extlinux, but not if you use syslinux :)
02:44<twb>ryouma: syslinux installs into the PBR of FAT filesystems
02:45<jm_>it's not modular like grub
02:45<twb>partition boot record
02:45<ryouma>ok, so i would want extlinux then
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02:46<twb>They both just install syslinux.sys as a regular file in the filesytem, and then put the bootstrap code in the first few blocks of the filesystem
02:46<ryouma>so my probloem is so rare that nobody has figured out how to bitchslap grub-pc?
02:46<twb>So the MBR loads the PBR which finds /syslinux.sys and that loads syslinux.cfg and then vmlinuz and initrd or whatever
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02:47<twb>ryouma: I had lots of problems trying to restore grub when grub's autodetection of "what modules do I need?" was broken by chroot, or the live CD's grub was a different enough version that it reinstalled, but wasn't bootable afterward
02:47<ryouma>i'm surprised there is no option in grub-pc to turn off its fanciness
02:47<jm_>I suspect people move to a new device and don't keep the old device in the system and postinst can cope with that if I read it correctly
02:47<twb>ryouma: also is *always* for some failure cases of multi-disk HBAs. So I just gave up on it.
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02:48<twb>Oh, I also had lots of problems where grub would install over the MBR of my install USB key, even when explicitly told not to
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02:48<twb>I figured that if syslinux is good enough to use for netbooting and on CDs and on USB keys, it's bloody well good enough to use on hard disks.
02:49<twb>And I've never had a problem with it since. (Except for forgetting a step in the setup, that is ;-)
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02:49<twb>HBA = host/bus adapter. The thing that connects disks to computers.
02:49<ryouma>is always what?
02:49<twb>On a workstation it's probably the ICH10 southbridge
02:49<twb>ryouma: oh yes
02:50<twb> says "grub's idea of (hd0) maps to the nth disk on the bus"
02:50<twb>But if a disk is partially dead, sometimes you need to load the bootloader off the first disk and then the stage 1.5 off the second disk.
02:51<twb>But sometimes the HBA will "help" you by recognizing the first disk is dead (e.g. if you unplug it) and make the second disk the first disk.
02:51<twb>At which point the MBR on the second disk will say "try to load stage 1.5 off (hd1)" and it will fail because there's only (hd0).
02:51<ryouma>basically i have 2 internal drives, and i want one to be wheezy and the other jessie, and select between them using bios boot sequence
02:51<twb>Several years ago I discussed this with #grub and they said if you jump through hoops, you can use grub without a
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02:52<twb>Oh! I also had problems in the very early days of grub 1.9 where I was experimenting with /boot inside LVM inside RAID, where it 1. didn't autodetect the needed grub modules, and 2. when hard-coding the list of grub modules, they didn't all *FIT* in the MBR. So that was fun.
02:53<twb>ryouma: is the wheezy one running systemd?
02:53<ryouma>just plain wheezy
02:53<twb>systemd has reinvented how /boot works
02:53<twb>If all your OSs are linux with systemd, you're supposed to have them share a single /boot partition
02:53<ryouma>i don't want to do t hat
02:53<jm_>that's just stupid
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02:54<twb>jm_: maybe, but that's what Lennart has documented
02:54<ryouma>i want crucial and toshiba to have nothing to do with each other
02:54<ryouma>butg grub-pc is screwing with me
02:54<twb>ryouma: OK so you need to pick one of the two to be master
02:54<twb>ryouma: then either chainload the other, or probe both /boot's for kernels
02:55<ryouma>why can't i just choose one using the boot sequence?
02:55<jm_>twb: he has, his issue is that grub will install itself on the device it knows about if it's still present
02:55<twb>ryouma: choose it from what?
02:55<ryouma>bios boot sequnece
02:55<twb>Ah, I see
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02:56<twb>Yeah because what happens in SOME BIOSs is if you boot from the second disk, it'll swap them over and will be wrong
02:56<jm_>check 'debconf-show grub-pc' if you have a system with grub installed
02:56<twb>update-grub should only edit grub.cfg and not change the mbr tho
02:56<twb>Only install-grub should change that, and it's the thing that does the guessing and (IME) often guesses wrong
02:57<twb>jm_: I think is the document I was reading re shared /boot
02:57<ryouma>yeah i think it's basically upgrade debian = upgrade grub-pc = dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc behind my back sort of = run grub-install behind my back = install to wrong place
02:58<jm_>yeah that's what gets run on grub package upgrades
02:58<ryouma>and i just want grub-pc to mind its own business and install to where it is
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02:59<twb>jm_: hm, OK. I didn't realize grub-install was *ever* run except with explicit user consent
03:00<ryouma>if what twb says is right about some bioses screwing up my plan, then i will have to do something different (chain loading?) on a computer that has one of those bioses, but i really don't wnat fanciness in booting
03:00<ryouma>nope it is run when you upgrade
03:00<ryouma>the grub-pc package
03:00<twb>ryouma: well I gave up instead of solving this problem
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03:01<twb>How does the package upgrade know what device to pass to install-grub?
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03:01<ryouma>debconf :(
03:01<jm_>twb: check /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub-pc.postinst, it's complicated :)
03:02<twb>ryouma: sudo -u nobody debconf-get-selections | grep grub
03:02<twb>If it's doing /dev/sda that's totally fucked up
03:02<twb>If it's doing /dev/disk/by-path that might be a bit less broken, but I can still see places it would explode
03:03<twb>Seems to me it should prompt the user for a sanity check (unless FRONTEND=noninteractive). Like "last time I installed to /dev/sda, OK to do that again?"
03:03<twb>Hm. grub2 package has grub-efi.postinst but no grub-pc.postinst
03:03<ryouma>it's this sucker: grub-pc grub-pc/install_devices multiselect /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Crucial_CT512MX100SSD1_13361D234C45 -- i am on toshiba running wheezy
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03:04<twb>Ergh it's debian/
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03:04<twb>ryouma: ah OK so you can fix your immediate problem by changing that to the new disk
03:04<ryouma>maybe i should manually fix debconf using your tool for now
03:04<twb>ryouma: it's identifying the disk by its serial and that won't change if you recable it or similar
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03:05<ryouma>it's a guess but presumably it would work
03:05<twb>ryouma: sorry about the huge tangent
03:05<jm_>twb: it has special handling for grub < 1.98+20100702-1, else db_get grub-pc/install_devices and if that still exists it's considered a valid device, I think that's what happens for ryouma
03:05<twb>ryouma: debconf set-selections <<< 'grub-pc/... /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Toshiba-...' or so
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03:05<jm_>heh I just bought CT512MX200
03:07<twb>Yeah OK so the bottom line is: this guessing is a necessary evil if you want to support non-technical people. Since I'm technical *and* grumpy, I prefer to bypass it entirely, thus syslinux. But regular people will probably prefer grub still.
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03:08<twb>jm_: does crucial have any M.2 2242's yet?
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03:09<ryouma>i wanted to be a non-technical person wrt booting :/
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03:10<twb>the ol' "Mossberg" Crucial M500 is like 2280
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03:11<jm_>twb: no matter how hard I look I see nothing that would specify its length
03:11<ryouma>twb: i like your sanity check idea
03:11<jm_>they have some sort of "Will it work with my system" thing on the web page
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03:13<jm_>twb: one review says 2260 and 2280 only
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03:14<twb>2280 --> 22mm * 80mm
03:14<twb>That's what macs use so they've everywhere. My chromebook slot is only 2242 which is an unusual form factor
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03:14<ryouma>one problem i ran into in debugging this (which took 4 months) is that /dev/disk/by-id symlinks changed from wheezy to jessie, and they did not put any of the old links into jessie for backward compatibility. so i couldn't boot and had to use /dev/sdx
03:15<jm_>ahh I found it in their PDF too, that should be listed directly on the product page too
03:15<twb>Someone said the other day "it's not just mydigitalssd anymore" but I didn't believe them
03:15<twb>ryouma: ouch!
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03:17<jm_>twb: that was me :)
03:18<twb>jm_: aha!
03:18*twb whacks jm_ with an inflatable pig's bladder
03:18<jm_>twb: adata and sandisk have them too
03:20<jm_>but yeah it looks like the choice is still very limited, I thought there are more
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03:22<twb>There's lots of good ones for 2280
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03:46<ryouma>twb: what you said about those grep wrappers. seems --no-filename does not even work?
03:46<ryouma>nor -h
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03:51<jm_>ryouma: how does your command line look like?
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04:20<twb>ryouma: this works for me: LC_ALL=C xzgrep --no-filename -F NmapNSE /var/log/auth.log* | xz -9evc >thunk.log.xz
04:21<twb>I use that idiom all the time
04:21<twb>As at GNU grep 2.5.4, at least, and I haven't seen it fail in newer versions
04:21<twb>Not sure about circa CentOS 4
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04:26<ryouma>maybe it isn't overriding -H, will have to check
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04:27<ryouma>i was checking my jessie upgrate typescript for grub-pc to see if it gave me a choice, and it turns out that the script stopped halfway through
04:28<ryouma>i don't get why grub-pc can't just install to the current drive. i don't get what it is actually thinking it is doing.
04:28<jm_>think people with two drives who actually wanted it installed on the other drive
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04:53<twb>ryouma: it's not always easy to know what is "the" current drive, and as jm_ says, it might not be what is wanted
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05:19<peter1138>Urgh, Gnome Music is pretty dumb :(
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05:20<peter1138>It gets confused by different albums with the same name...
05:22<twb>Do LPs have something like an ISBN/ISSN ?
05:22<twb>I know singles did, but they were label-specific
05:22<twb>Like "Decca 1512" or whatever
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05:26<peter1138>Nope, each label would use their own catalog number. There's barcodes these days of course.
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06:30<GoGi>what metadata type should I use for a whole disk raid?
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06:32<twb>GoGi: depends on your bootloader &c
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06:32<twb>Use latest (1.2) if your bootloader can handle it; 0.9 has trouble distinguishing between "the last partition is raided" and "the whole disk is raided"
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07:21<pure>does anybody know how to disable bluetooth mouse battery status?
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07:31<luichi>anyone knows how to enable autosave in vim (im using gvim for instance) to recover files that havent been saved before a shutdown?
07:32<luichi>i found info but i dont understand it
07:32<jm_>try the vim specific channel(s)
07:32<luichi>theres only one person in that channel :(
07:32<jm_>on freenode?
07:33<luichi>jm_, ups not i was entering in debian servers thank you
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07:35<jm_>heh in jessie it's a simple matter of autosave N
07:36<jm_>ahh no it's still in TODO in jessie
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08:35<lancelot_of>hi there
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08:39<lancelot_of>please help me. I am facing a never faced problem. I am on jessie, two different users, same machine, same shell, same code to compile same routines. One does correctly the other not. The other not working compiles an executable 2MB lower then the user working. I cannot figure out what's going on, I'm getting crazy
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08:43<hexfusion>lancelot_of: env is the same for both users? meaning nothing is available to one user and not the other in .profile etc. Perhaps the size diff is caused by a piece of code not compiling? Shot in the dark without more info..
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08:45<hexfusion>perhaps the build logs will show something wrong?
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08:51<lancelot_of>hexfusion, ho to check for env?
08:52<lancelot_of>no env file or .env file is in both ~/
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08:53<lancelot_of>hexfusion, I guess some piece of code is not compiling in the second case because there are fewer warnings wrt the first case correctly compiling. But dunno why
08:54<lancelot_of>both users have the same .profile file
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08:56<lancelot_of>hexfusion, apart from the fact that the shell is tcsh, so no matter in theory with .profile
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08:57<hexfusion>.profile was just an example research the compile errors and you will find the solution
08:57<lancelot_of>hexfusion, however the code is exactly the same, sme files, same dir tree etc...
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08:57<lancelot_of>hexfusion, no compile errors!
08:57<hexfusion> wrt gave warnings?
08:57<lancelot_of>hexfusion, yes
08:58<hexfusion>what were they… why
08:58<lancelot_of>hexfusion, I try to pastebin the outputs...
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09:55<mohab>anybody here
09:55<mohab>i have problem wifi after upgrade to jessie
09:55<mohab>i cannot create hotspot
09:56<mohab>when i start hotspot mode its disconnect
09:57<mohab>help me please
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09:59<Brigo>mohab, you mean use your wifi as access point?
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10:01<hexfusion>mohab: are you connected to internet via ethernet?
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10:02<mohab>via wlan0
10:03<Brigo>mohab, so you have 2 wifis?
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10:03<mohab>no just one
10:04<babilen>mohab: Could you explain what you are doing in a bit more detail? (commands you enter, software you use that kind of thing)
10:04<Brigo>mohab, so you want to use your card as a client and as a master at the same time, right?
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10:06<mohab>no when i want to use it in hotspot it doesn't work
10:07<babilen>How do you do that?
10:07<mohab>in terminal when i use it it says
10:07<mohab>:/home/mohab# hostapd /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf
10:07<mohab>Configuration file: /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf
10:07<mohab>Line 22: invalid key_mgmt 'WPA2-PSK'
10:07<mohab>FT (IEEE 802.11r) requires nas_identifier to be configured as a 1..48 octet string
10:07<mohab>2 errors found in configuration file '/etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf'
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10:08<babilen>Well, pretty obvious error message(s)
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10:12<mohab>debhelper* i just need help I do not mess
10:12<blast007>mohab: have you tried reading the error messages and fixing what it tells you to fix?
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10:13<fennesz>Hello ! is there a way I can keep track of packages installed with apt-get install . Some kind of a logger?
10:13<mohab>i don't understand because my english is poor
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10:17<piper>fennesz: /var/log/apt/history.log
10:18<fennesz>thank you piper
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10:38<jeph>hello all, where can I find out why virtualbox-dkms is missing in sid?
10:39<themill>,v virtualbox-dkms sid
10:39<judd>No package named 'virtualbox-dkms' was found in sid/amd64.
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10:40<jeph>but virtualbox depends on it... is there a URL that shows what's up. I looked at the developer page for virtualbox and it looks like 5.0.4-dfsg3 should be in sid... no explanation as to why not.
10:41<SynrG>search that for recent changes mentioning dkms
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10:42<themill>Pre-Depends: virtualbox-dkms ...
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10:43<SynrG>the one before that, talking about "no longer needing dkms"
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10:43<themill>yes, so the package is just uninstallable
10:43<SynrG>also some recent debian-devel discussion about whether pre-depends is really needed.
10:44<themill>yeah, I glazed over that discussion
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10:44<themill>that was a discussion about adding a new Pre-Depends, which had already been added and for a package that apparently doesn't exist
10:44<SynrG>yes. special
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10:46<jeph>ok, so how do I install virtualbox? apt-get is complaining about missing virtualbox-dkms...
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10:49<themill>jeph: You can't in sid at present. If installability is important to you, then you don't use sid.
10:50<SynrG>,v virtualbox-dkms
10:50<judd>Package: virtualbox-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u5; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.1.40-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.40-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-3+deb8u3; jessie-proposed-updates/contrib: 4.3.30-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.30-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-
10:50<judd>backports/contrib: 5.0.4-dfsg-2~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 5.0.4-dfsg-2
10:51<SynrG>running pure sid can be painful for this and other reasons ...
10:51<SynrG>consider a testing/unstable mix:
10:51<SynrG>meh. finger problems
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10:51<SynrG>and now dpkg complains at me for fixing my error so quickly :)
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10:51<dpkg>«echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
10:52<SynrG>mind you, that may not be sufficient to fix the issue, since you're already "ahead" with so many packages. but it's worth a shot
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10:55<jeph>Thanks SynrG, will investigate that option. I run sid all the time, never had a major problem. Busy installing new laptop, kinda need virtualbox....
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10:55<SynrG>it sneaks up on you. if you already have much of the software you need, and watch removals carefully, you can get away with it.
10:56<SynrG>for new installs in the middle of a release cycle, you may not be so lucky.
10:56<SynrG>on any given day, a lot of stuff can be uninstallable in unstable.
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11:15<dieu>hi :)
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11:17<dieu>does anyone know where to put a script on a the jessie release, so tha script gets executed before user logs in?
11:17<dieu>please dont tell me rc.local
11:17<dieu>this doesnt work for what i want to do :)
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11:20<petn-randall>dieu: Maybe you should tell us why it doesn't work, otherwise the guessing game might take very long.
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11:21<Prometheus>hello guys, I need some help, I just installed debian on my system, before I had Ubuntu 14.04, but I chose to switch to Debian. I installed it but I get GNU GRUB (text based) of Ubuntu
11:21<Prometheus>how can i remove it?
11:22<petn-randall>Prometheus: Debian also uses grub. How do you know it's from Ubuntu?
11:22<Prometheus>peter1138, I can see, it has some numbers like "~1231231-Ubuntu"
11:22<Prometheus>on it
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11:26<petn-randall>Prometheus: How did you install Debian?
11:26<Prometheus>petn-randall, well I installed it through USB stick, just a normal installation I guess
11:27<petn-randall>Prometheus: I see. How did you prepare the USB stick?
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11:27<petn-randall>Did you use unetbootin or something?
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11:32<Prometheus>petn-randall, well, I used normal dd
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11:33<Prometheus>petn-randall, just installed it through DD
11:33<Slumlord_>i have been having a heck of a time printing in debian with a canon imageclass D530 printer
11:33<petn-randall>Prometheus: Ah ok. I was just asking because unetbootin mangles the image, and the last step is installing grub, which usually then installs onto the USB stick instead of the HDD.
11:34<Slumlord_>i can set it up but no luck with printing any ideas or suggestions or howto's
11:34<petn-randall>Prometheus: Whatever the reason is, you need to boot from the USB image again, and then go into rescue mode and reinstall grub
11:34<petn-randall>!tell Prometheus -about fixgrub
11:35<Slumlord_>I have followed a number of howto's and the cusps setup ok but then when it comes time to printing nothing
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11:37<Prometheus>peter1138, thanks, but I mean I have the Debian grub, the normal one
11:37<Prometheus>petn-randall, and then i have that ubuntu gnu-grub kind of tinhg
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11:38<Prometheus>petn-randall, where I always have to type "exit" to continue
11:38<Prometheus>petn-randall, so I basically have 2 grubs
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11:43<imMute>there's probably a simple answer to this but I'm having a hard time googling it: is there a way to tell apt that I want a package installed, but not do anything right now, so that it gets installed on the next 'apt-get [dist-]upgrade' ?
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11:47<petn-randall>Prometheus: This doesn't make any sense to me. If you boot your system, do you get a grub prompt? What is in it? And when does the "other" grub show up?
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11:48<Prometheus>petn-randall, first of all i get grub named "GNU GRUB version 1.98+20100802-5ubuntu3" (that's a text one, i have to type exit all the time) and then i get the normal default Debian grub
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11:53<petn-randall>Prometheus: How many disk drives do you have?
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11:57<Prometheus>petn-randall, 1 only
11:57<Prometheus>petn-randall, well you know i didn't have that kind of problem first time while i installed debina
11:57<Brigo>imMute, as far as i know, no.
11:59<Brigo>it may be the ubuntu grub installed in the MBR launch the debian's one, installed in some partition.
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11:59<petn-randall>Prometheus: Ok, so where did you install grub on installation?
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11:59<petn-randall>Prometheus: nevermind, you should be able to fix it with the instructions that dpkg sent you.
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12:03<Prometheus>petn-randall, kk thanks, i'll try to fix it :) thanks :)
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12:49<lindylex>I installed Debian 8 on my G4. I boots up to a black screen. How can I fix this? This is the video car. VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]
12:49<bitlan_>hello, how i can transfer files between 2 different servers via internet - using multiconnection. i try nfs + rsync but i can't get more than one connection :/
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12:50<bitlan_>lindylex: only command line?
12:50<lindylex>I get a black screen. I can ssh into it from another computer.
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12:52<bitlan_>gnome? kde? xfce4?
12:52<bitlan_>see Xorg logs
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12:55<bitlan_>check logs..
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12:57<vrkalak>lindylex, LXDE is 'out' LxQt is 'in' ... research
12:57<lindylex>It is whatever the debian install hass as the last option under Desktop.
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13:02<speaktrap>where can I ask for technical help?
13:02<speaktrap>this room or somewhere else?
13:02<mgv>speaktrap: here
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13:03<speaktrap>mgv: that's great :)
13:03<speaktrap>I have a problem with Denon's MC-6000 USB soundcard
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13:04<speaktrap>it's a dj controller/usb soundcard/analogue mixer device
13:04<speaktrap>i use it with Mixxx
13:04<speaktrap>after bugging #mixxx for half an hour it looks like a driver issue
13:04<speaktrap>but it was working alright a week ago or so
13:05<speaktrap>which is simply strange
13:05<speaktrap>and this log
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13:05<speaktrap>something related to src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c
13:05<speaktrap>i have no idea what this source file does
13:06<speaktrap>btw i don't have pulseaudio
13:06<mgv>pa here is portaudio, not pulseaudio. a library for playing (and maybe recording) audio
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13:07<mgv>if you are supposed to play music through that device, have you tried to use a simple program such as aplay to try to play something through it?
13:08<mgv>this will tell you whether it's an issue with mixxx or with the driver/device itself
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13:10<speaktrap>mgv: the device is hw1:0, now how do i use that with aplay? i mean the syntax
13:10<mgv>aplay -D hw1:0 file.wav
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13:12<speaktrap>aplay -l gives me "card 1: DNMC6000 [DN-MC6000], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]" BUT aplay -D hw1:0 janosik.wav GIVES ALSA lib pcm.c:2267:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM hw1:0
13:12<speaktrap>aplay: main:722: audio open error: No such file or directory
13:12<mgv>use aplay -L to get strings you can use for -D
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13:13<mgv>it'll probably look something like hw:CARD=PCH,DEV=0
13:13<speaktrap>okay, now it's aplay: set_params:1239: Channels count non available
13:14<Raiz>Cube2 Sauerbraten was on contrib since Wheezy, why it's now moved to non-free since Jessie?
13:14<speaktrap>(there should be 4 output channels)
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13:14<mgv>the -c argument to aplay sets the number of channels (defaulting to 1)
13:15<speaktrap>after the -D parameter?
13:15<mgv>doesn't matter where in the command line you use i
13:15*Raiz is here
13:17<speaktrap>then it's still the same error
13:17<mgv>Raiz: by looking at the version numbers, wheezy version had some files removed (the non-free ones), while the newer versions include all files, hence the non-free classification
13:18<Raiz>Oh, I just saw that
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13:18<Raiz>thanks :)
13:18<mgv>speaktrap: an alsa channel (#alsa on Freenode I think) would probably be more helpful here as my alsa knowledge is very limited
13:18<mgv>Raiz: you're welcome
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13:19<speaktrap>mgv: that's a good clue, thanks. also someone on #mixxx just told me it might be as well related to portaudio
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13:19<mgv>that could be true, that's why I suggest trying to play something directly via alsa
13:20<mgv>if you succeed in playing via alsa, then it's a portaudio problem. otherwise it's an alsa, driver or hardware problem
13:20<mgv>s/portaudio/portaudio or mixxx/
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13:28<tani>i want to learn kali 2.0
13:29<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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13:44<bluzeo>hey guys - i cant delete or add files to trash an ideas????
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13:45<speaktrap>bluzeo: was it working before?
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13:46<bluzeo>dang it this wierd ....
13:46<lollypop>follow me on instagram
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13:47<speaktrap>bluzeo: what DE are you using?
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13:49<bluzeo>Kde and Gnome
13:50<Raiz>is KDE or GNOME?
13:50<bluzeo>i may as will reinstall,,,, i hate this -KDE
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13:56<alfon>Hi, since debian 7 to 8 update, I experience a mouse and keyboard strange behavior. Sometimes, when X windows system started, the USB mouse doesn't work and the USB keyboard lost randomly groups of pressed keys. This not happen ever and sometimes every works fine
13:56<alfon>This happened some of you too?
13:56<alfon>I'm not sure if this is a "X edev" or "udev" problem
13:57<alfon>Thanks in advance
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13:59<speaktrap>bluzeo: so it isn't working on both of these DE's?
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14:59<rickeyrich>running debian jessie host 64bit .have virtmachine manager that uses kvm once i finished installing my vm and try to reboot it says: Error rebooting domain: Requested operation is not valid: Reboot is not supported without the JSON monitor
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15:40<Yst>What is "/dev/dm-1"? Whatever it is, it's taking up 93% of my disk space.
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15:57<home>who is home
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16:00<Yst>I'm at home.
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16:01<ryouma>Yst: device mapper i hink
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16:02<ryouma>Yst: typically you'd have that mounted someplace; try lsblk
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16:04<Yst>That doesn't tell which mount it is for sure, but I'm guessing it's sd5_crypt. Device mapper ...That sounds like it might contain my files, not be a huge file itself.
16:04<Yst>How would I find what is eating up my disk space?
16:05<ryouma>yeah it's probably your plaintext
16:05<ryouma>Yst: du
16:06<Yst>I tried "df -h", but that pointed me to that file.
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16:06<Yst>"du"? Alright, trying that.
16:07<Yst>Oh, wow. Huge output. THe command prompt couldn't even show it all.
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16:08<ryouma>Yst: for example, du -ah "$@" | LC_COLLATE=C sort -k1h -k2r | tail -100
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16:08<ryouma>but i use du -a --block-size=1MB "$@" | LC_COLLATE=C sort -k1n -k2r | tail in a shel lfunction
16:09<ryouma>ncdu is interactive
16:10<Yst>Okay, I see where my problem area is. Thank you very much, ryouma!
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17:12<shivan>load /home/shivan/Documenti/GlobalFind/GlobalFind.mrc
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17:45<jhutchins>move window 10
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17:46<jhutchins>Not even the right syntax.
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17:54<SSRI>Hey can someone help me here. :-) I guessed my neighbor pass, and i was able to surf the net whit his internet, I was messing whit
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17:58<SSRI>And i was able to login whit default username and password and mess around whit router settings, i turned off firewall and set always open port 22 for my IP and from then i can login to the same wifi conection, but I cant go to web, even not to
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18:17<ryouma>can anybody think of a reason why script(1) would stop saving to a file? i went from wheezy to jessie as the instructions said (but not from a vt) and the script is truncated in the middle of some output.
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18:47<jt>How can I have my debian mirror (which only contains amd64), not cause clients errors with apt-get updates with i386 stuff?
18:48<jt>without having to put arch=amd64 in the clients. I want to fix it on the server side.
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19:00<Guest3406>hey guys. i downloaded the .deb file for google earth and after running the command 'dpkg -i google......' it failed to install. never mind it. now i am trying to install steam and i am getting the following error that is related to google earth: 'The following packages have unmet dependencies: google-earth-stable .....' what to do?
19:01<Guest3406>i tried apt-get -f install but i am getting the same error
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19:06<TSPenguin>that is a really odd dependency
19:07<TSPenguin>what branch are you using?
19:07<Guest3406>TSPenguin, what do you mean by branch?
19:07<Guest3406>TSPenguin, i am noobish
19:07<TSPenguin>stable, testing, unstable
19:08<Guest3406>TSPenguin, jessie
19:10<TSPenguin>sounds like you have some messed up dependencies in general. I'd recommend going into aptitude and seeing what it says
19:10<Guest3406>TSPenguin, umm how do i do that?
19:11<unavailable>Reset Unity and Compiz Settings in Ubuntu 14.04 | UbuntuHandbook_files
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19:12<unavailable>google ubuntu aptitude
19:12<unavailable>the wiki will appear
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19:15<TSPenguin>run aptitude, at the bottom a red line should appear. Reading some documentation is indeed highly recommended
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19:18<blast007>Guest3406: uninstall google-earth-stable
19:19<blast007>when you installed it with dpkg, it did in fact install, but it had missing dependencies
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19:25<Guest3406>blast007, thanks a lot.. it worked :)
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19:29<Kool>ok, question
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19:30<Kool>perhaps someone here can lend an answer
19:31<Kool>I've got a script set up to run a server program, which I'm trying to key to run on startup and close on shutdown
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19:31<Kool>this program, ideally, should be shut down from it's command line
19:32<Kool>however, I don't know how to access that through a seperate script
19:33<unavailable>from the server? or remotely?
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19:35<Kool>I wish to access the device through ssh and tell it to reboot or shutdown
19:36<Kool>and not have it hard-close the server script
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19:37<Kool>normally, when running the script to start the server, it leaves the command prompt up as the server command prompt, and this is where I would tell the server to shut down
19:40<unavailable>slackware permits adding parameters when booting. not familiar w/ debian or derivatives or unix. but stopping a server in this manner should be similar.
19:41<Kool>I'm basically a linux noob, so... I know pretty much what google tells me
19:41<Kool>also, if it matters, I'm technically running on a raspberry pi, but I'm told Raspbian is very similar to Debian
19:41<unavailable>smiling. I'll assume you are running scripts on a server you are authorized to be using...
19:42<Kool>I should hope I'm authorized to run a minecraft server on my rPi... >.>
19:42<Kool>I've been wanting to get more familiar with coding and programming and linux, so I figured this was a neat little place to start
19:42<unavailable>so the bot parameters idea might work? it should give you a soft shut-down and re-start when you re-initialize.
19:46<Kool>that's foreign to me... I know the gist of what you're saying, but no idea what to do with it
19:47<unavailable>you did not explain what the script does... or why it must have a soft kill. or why you are stopping and re-starting a server.
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19:50<Kool>the script runs a minecraft server. I would like the server to start when I turn on the computer. A soft shutdown is ideal because I don't know how the game files might be affected on a hard shutdown. A hard shutdown does work, and should it not be so easy I can manually perform a soft shutdown through other means
19:52<unavailable>can you make a script controlling a soft-shutdown for the process the script is using? perl or whatever?
19:53<Kool>That is what I don't know how to do.
19:53<TSPenguin>which server are you using? bukkit?
19:54<Kool>normally, running the script to start the server leaves the command prompt open for server commands
19:54<Kool>had to run Spigot, nothing else was fast enough to run on the Raspberry Pi
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19:55<Kool>I don't know how to execute a script that will send a command to the existing server command prompt
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19:55<blast007>Kool: are you using Debian Jessie?
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19:55<blast007>hmm, Raspberry Pi.. are you running Raspbian?
19:55<Kool>I am
19:55<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on for support.
19:55<Kool>latest build, I think the date on the file was 5/5/2015
19:56<Kool>ahhh ok
19:56<blast007>Kool: in any case though, check here: They have a section for scripts.
19:56<Kool>I've been there... I have a script set to run the server. I still have to manually run the script. I'm just trying to set it all up to be automatic
19:57<blast007>there's the Raspbian channel listed above, and there's also forums on the Raspberry Pi site you could ask on
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19:57<Kool>ooh, thanks. I'll take a look, thanks for the help guys
19:58<TSPenguin>my google fu is mighty tonight
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19:59<Kool>my google-fu was indeed weak tonight
19:59<unavailable>smiling... I got the message not the place to ask any ubuntu studio questions.
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20:07<muka_>why I can "ntfs-3g ....." but can't "mount -t ntfs-3g" ?
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20:11<TSPenguin>the software is called ntfs-3g and provides ntfs support, so just mount with -t ntfs
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20:11<TSPenguin>and in 99% of cases the -t ntfs can be ommited
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21:22<sid_>hi,my computer has a 4G memory and amd video card,but it shows 3.8G in system info,why?
21:23<ryouma>perhaps 1024 vs. 1000?
21:24<ryouma>i.e. standard gb vs. gib?
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21:24<sid_>i thought that was hard drive only,is memory same?
21:25<ryouma>you could be right; istr memory is only gib
21:26<sid_>i see,thx
21:26<ryouma>free is one command you might try
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21:27<sid_>i saw a "shared"
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21:28<ryouma>mine says 3927280 for total
21:29<sid_>mine is 4016696
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21:32<sid_>Linux sam 4.1.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.1.6-1 (2015-08-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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21:38<SnusarN^>Can anybody reccomend a good radio broadcasting software comparable with Sam Broadcaster or RadioDJ in the Windows-world? I know about simple tools like ezstream etc, but i'm considering to replace big bad microsoft in my streaming-computer also and looking for alternatives
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21:39<SnusarN^>Sorry for my bad spelling, recommend*
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21:44<l4mbd4>do you know linux action show? they had something about radio broadcasting a while ago
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21:48<SnusarN^>l4mbd4: Is it some kind of podcast? Never heard of it before guess i'll look it up
21:49<l4mbd4>SnusarN^: pretty much. they're on youtube as jupiter broadcasting. the radio broadcasting thing was a while ago, though.
21:51<SnusarN^>l4mbd4: Ok i will see if i can find it, thank you. Have been looking for this before but i have always ended up running sam broadcaster in a virtual machine for my broadcasting. Nobody would be happier than me if i could get rid of Windows compleatley. Had some luck with radiodj in wine but it's kinda unstable
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22:24<lindylex>I installed Debian 8 on a G4 Desktop PPC. It boots to a black screen. This is the Xor.0.log contents. Ths is the video card VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]
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22:31<bagbobilgins>lindylex: are you using nouveau?
22:31<lindylex>bagbobilgins, I never choose it so I am not sure if I am.
22:32<bagbobilgins>so you've not chosen between nouveau and nvidia proprietary?
22:34<bagbobilgins>do you love Freedom?
22:34<lindylex>I love my limited perspective of liberty.
22:40<sney>the nv11 is geforce2 tech, I don't think there's a legacy nvidia driver available, and if there is it doesn't have any benefits over nouveau for a gpu that old
22:41<sney>since that xorg log doesn't end with No Screens Found, my guess is it's automatically picking a mode that the display doesn't support
22:42<sney>maybe limited by openfirmware stuff? I'd ask in #debianppc
22:42<abrotman>alsonote, lindylex is getting help on freenode
22:42<sney>ah, naturally
22:42*sney shakes his fist at the crossposters
22:43<lindylex>sorry I ask earlier and received no assistance.
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22:45<sney>well, I hope they're not making you build nvidia-dkms, that'll be a short trip. good luck, mac stuff can be hairy
22:46<lindylex>They are suggesting I do that.
22:46<lindylex>DOing this.
22:46<jelly>bagbobilgins: I don't think nvidia _ever_ made a blob for powerpc Macs
22:46<sney>your gpu is neither a 6xxx nor a 7xxx gpu
22:46<lindylex>WHat do you recommend?
22:46<sney>I really don't think it's a driver issue. nothing in the X log suggests that.
22:46<lindylex>I agree but it is supported in the hardware list for legacy.
22:47<bagbobilgins>jelly: I'm reading some things about needing an old version of xorg for it
22:47<lindylex>I got his error any way. Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms"
22:47<sney>most likely not in ppc as jelly suggested
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22:47<sney>I would try making an xorg.conf snippet that specifies hsync/vsync and resolution rather than letting X and nouveau guess
22:48<lindylex>Right now there is not xorg.conf file on the system
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22:49<sney>correct. you make a short one with only the necessary sections and put it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
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22:50<sney>then it will still auto-guess the rest
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22:52<lindylex>Where do I get values for vertical and horizontal sync?
22:54<sney>your previous X log will tell you the values X thinks your system supports, there should be enough there for trial and error
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22:56<lindylex>This line? 50.481] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline "1024x768"x59.9 63.50 1024 1072 1176 1328 768 771 775 798 -hsync +vsync (47.8 kHz)
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22:58<sney>hmm, just one modeline, usually there are more guesses
22:58<sney>you can get away without specifying hsync usually, and vsync tends to be 60 on older LCDs
22:59<sney>if you search for the model of your monitor someone may have documented it (hopefully the manufacturer)
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23:06<lindylex>sney: This is what I have apple m7649
23:07<lindylex>What is the vetrical and horizontal sync values written as?
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23:11<sney>hertz (Hz)
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23:13<lindylex>I found this online. I think I need to change BusID "PCI:0:16:0"
23:13<lindylex> Driver "r128 and it should work. What do I put for the driver part?
23:13<lindylex>Or is this to much?
23:13<sney>the device section should be unneccessary since it's detecting that much fine
23:14<sney>I'd also remove the InputDevice and DRI sections. but otherwise, worth a shot
23:16<lindylex>like this?
23:17<sney>Sure. ServerLayout is probably redundant but shouldn't hurt. now try it and comment out things randomly until something works, haha
23:17<sney>old hardware + non-x86 = I hope you like tinkering
23:18<lindylex>This directory does not exist. /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ SHould I create it and place the xorg.conf file in it?
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23:24<lindylex>It is the same thing. It boots to a black screen.
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23:52<Bohemus>Trying to get a wireless usb adapter set up. Device ID is 1740:0600 based on searches it says to load rt2800, ive installed the ralink-firmware package but nothing seems to work
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