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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-10-03

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00:23<ryouma>what is the latest iceweasel recommended practice? if you are on jessie, do you use jessie's version + jessie's xul-ext-* extensions? do you use the debian mozilla repo? and then you're supposed to merely use addons.mozilla.org extensions? or is there a repo for extensions?
00:24<ryouma>will iceweasel only get security updates on jessie? or will it just get bumped up and the extensions to?
00:24<ryouma>o*
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00:42<josue>HELLO
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01:24<ryouma>when i get the package description, it looks like email headers. what tool will grab just the "Description-en:" header?
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01:36<JJ564464>Hi everyone
01:37<JJ564464>This is about my third installation of Debian! The fault I used to run into was with my Xorg config trying to get bumblebee to work with Geforce GTX 960M on an MSI laptop
01:37<JJ564464>I am now on a fresh install, just installed tlp and intel microcode for power saving
01:37<JJ564464>but I need to know what to do next
01:38<JJ564464>Is my card supported? Someone suggested I add the experimental to my repos
01:38<JJ564464>I understand how to nano /etc/apt/sources.list
01:38<JJ564464>but that is th extent of my knowledge
01:38<Hydroxide>ryouma: grep-dctrl is a package in Debian that's explicitly designed to parse that format, but indeed it's intentionally RFC822-esque and many ad-hoc or third-party solutions can handle it.
01:38<JJ564464>Could someone point me in the right direction
01:38<Hydroxide>ryouma: err, I think the package name is now dctrl-tools
01:39<JJ564464>I know I don't need an Xorg config
01:39<JJ564464>so I dont want to screw that up again
01:40<Hydroxide>JJ564464: I'd suggest you look at https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee and follow the instructions for Jessie (the current Debian stable release)
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01:40<Hydroxide>JJ564464: it looks like any requirement to go beyond the stable release is out of date, though it's possible something special is needed for your card
01:40<JJ564464>Ah thank you, I have tried that and I will try again on this install and let you know
01:41<Hydroxide>JJ564464: good luck. I may or may not still be watching IRC, but feel free to ask for further help here regardless.
01:41<JJ564464>Do I need the linux headers first?
01:42<JJ564464>Im not sure really what that is I just understand it is a prerequisite for the drivers?
01:42<Hydroxide>JJ564464: you shouldn't need to do more than what's on that wiki page
01:42<JJ564464>alright thanks
01:42<Hydroxide>JJ564464: again, at least not as a first attempt
01:43<Hydroxide>JJ564464: much information on the internet was written before the current Debian stable release from earelier this year, at which point itt may have been more complicated than it is now.
01:43<Hydroxide>JJ564464: the only reasons why anything beyond that would be needed is something hardware-specific beyond Optimus generally.
01:43<JJ564464>okay thanks
01:43<JJ564464>I love Debian so far :p
01:44<JJ564464>just the Xorg config was causing me problems because I didnt need one!
01:44<Hydroxide>great :)
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01:57<himanshu>hi
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02:26<Fsociety>Hey
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02:31<ankush>:)
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03:04<falcon>hello, can someone help me with sound overhere?
03:05<falcon>cause I have some problems, I have no idea how to fix it
03:05<Gerowen>falcon: What seems to be the issue?
03:06<Gerowen>falcon: I won't make any promises, but I'll help if I can.
03:07<falcon>Gerowen, thanks for helping, I can't lower my sound, well I can, but when I lower it to ~30% the sound is just gone, idk why
03:08-!-mode/#debian [+l 708] by debhelper
03:09<Gerowen>Are you using any external speakers?
03:10<falcon>Gerowen, i fixed it somehow, i just restarted pulseaudio and played with few settings
03:10<falcon>Gerowen, thanks for trying to help anyways
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03:11<Gerowen>falcon: No problem, :P Glad you got it figured out.
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03:32<ankush>Hello everyone
03:32<ankush>:)
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03:33<ankush>wc
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04:13<ryouma>Hydroxide: thanks. what is the grep-dctrl equivalent of "apt-cache show package | something Description-en:"?
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09:10<henk>hi, I was made aware of the plan to remove support for i386 and switch to i686 as proposed in https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/09/msg00589.html I have a few alix’ running which have an AMD Geode LX, as does the soekris mentioned in https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/09/msg00614.html. AFAIK this only works with the 586 kernel variant. Can anyone tell me how to find out whether
09:10<henk>this proposed change really affects those machines?
09:10<Guest3863>hi, I am trying to get an application working... I need to to load dynamic libraries from a particular directory ... but it is loading them from the standard directories instead ... I have setup up a script that first sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH (with : seperated list, with the special directory first) before executing the application... but it doesn't seem to be loading the libraries from the correct location... can anyone help?
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09:32<blu>hi guys. This is openvpn but the #openvpn chan is not answering. I want openvpn client-to-client scale with multiple servers, running multiple openvpn processes. I'm stuck on how servers communicate with each other. If I have 4 VPN instances on Server A, should I just create a client for each VPN on server B? Then for three Servers, I have eight clients only for interconnecting the servers, + 4 actual servers each, so total of 12 openvpn processes
09:32<blu>. that sounds kinda wrong..
09:33<blu>the idea was that for example rsync backups max out one openvpn server running on one cpu. so I used multiple on one machine. now I want this redundant, so I wanted to use multiple vpn processes on multiple servers using the same PKI, but using a different /24 each, so that clients connect at random to them.
09:34<EmleyMoor>In Character Map (regular Gnome desktop), how do I search by character detail in Jessie?
09:35<blu>however if one server has 4 cores and two processes max that out by uploads, it will take 2 more processors to forward this traffic to the destination server, which runs the destination vpn server process
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09:35<blu>would you put a client for each instance on each server? that looks so wrong but its the best idea I have so far
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09:38<blu>hm. can I just route all the packets over the internet..? as in set a public ip for the route of the subnet of server B on server A?
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09:39<blu>ah i see my error in thinking I think :D
09:40<blu>could I just do iptables -I FORWARD -s subnet_vpn_a/24 -d subnet_vpn_b/24 -j ACCEPT ?
09:41<blu>and before that just do ip route add subnet_vpn_a/24 via public_ip_vpn_a/32 dev eth0?
09:41<blu>ah via subnet is stupid, sry
09:41<blu>wo the /32 ;)
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09:55<zerodomain>hello
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09:55<zerodomain>guys anyone here to help me studying infosec
09:56<zerodomain>i am using parrot sec os
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09:56<zerodomain>hello?
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09:59<zerodomain>ahm anyone around to help?
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09:59<Raiz>hey
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10:00<carlos>maybe
10:00<carlos>sup zero
10:00<zerodomain>hi
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10:00<carlos>sup dude, u need help u say?
10:00<zerodomain>where you from i am trying to learn ethical hacking
10:00<zerodomain>yep
10:01<carlos>hahaha
10:01<carlos>ethical hacking? what is that?
10:01<zerodomain>white hat
10:01<carlos>ok i think i know now
10:01<oct>zerodomain: the term youre looking for is penetration testing
10:02<carlos>looks like there are a few courses out there
10:02<zerodomain>way to go
10:02<carlos>im sorry mate, i dont know anything about it
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10:03<carlos>I can tell you how to make a swiss roll
10:03<oct>and there is not really a "correct way", in my opinion the best is to get a pentesting book and start reading. And depending on what you want to do, get DVL and try to hack it, if you have any older routers set it up in a standard mode and see if you can exploit it. etc etc.
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10:04<oct>"standard mode" meaning factory defaults(which are usually not that secure)
10:04<zerodomain>well then i am really trying to start studying a bit of information security
10:05<Raiz>#debian-offtopic
10:05<oct>^ yeah this is better suited for offtopic, but "information security" is a broad term, theres hardware level, software, network level then theres social engineering
10:06<henk>hi, I was made aware of the plan to remove support for i386 and switch to i686 as proposed in https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/09/msg00589.html I have a few alix’ running which have an AMD Geode LX, as does the soekris mentioned in https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/09/msg00614.html. AFAIK this only works with the 586 kernel variant. Can anyone tell me how to find out whether
10:06<henk>this proposed change really affects those machines?
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10:13<salvatore>ciao
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10:24<amdgoon>what is the ckt standing for in the kernel package linux-image-3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4?
10:24<KOJIbKA>Hi all! I've got to purge GNOME from Jessie old netbook of my mom at least think so. It just run out of free space on 8Gb SSD. After upgrade GNOME is not accessible. System is stuck on logon 'GDM' screen without possibility to login for any user including 'root'. Here https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce are given instructions on how to purge GNOME from installed system and install 'xfce' instead. Is this the right way to do it? And do I have to reboot netbook in
10:24<KOJIbKA>to 'Recovery mode' for it? May be you could give better options to restore it? URL warns about possible system crash during changeover. That is highly unwanted! here https://paste.debian.net/314279/ is /etc/apt/sources.list
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10:30<amdgoon>KOJIbKA: are you able to get to a command prompt cntl-alt-F1 or F2? maybe apt-cache clean to free some room?
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10:31<KOJIbKA>amdgoon: yes I'm in shell, uder 'Restoration mode'
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10:32<amdgoon>thought maybe there was some space you could free up cleaning out the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives...
10:34<KOJIbKA>amdgoon: ls /var/cache/apt/archives give a pile of it. Should I just 'rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* ?
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10:38<amdgoon>i've done that lots, it is where apt-get pull in the deb files for installing, you can always get them back from the repo. I should correct myself, it is apt-get clean that clears them, not apt-cache
10:38<paxmark9>KOJIbKA, more elegant to first do sudo apt-get autoclean, then if need be sudo apt-get clean. if you have ncdu installed that is helpful also.
10:39<KOJIbKA>amdgoon: here what 'du /var/cache/apt/archives/' gives https://paste.debian.net/314282/
10:40<amdgoon>hmmm, not that much there...
10:41<KOJIbKA>amdgoon: let me reboot for a minute
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10:43<KOJIbKA>amdgoon: nope, still stuck at 'keys lockout' screen without possibility to enter correct password for locking out
10:43<paxmark9>KOJIbKA, if you have systemd the logs can get big invesigate "journalctl --vacuum-size=100M" in man journalctl
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10:45<KOJIbKA>paxmark9: you mean under 'root'?
10:46<KOJIbKA>paxmark9: 'systemd' seems to be installed
10:48<paxmark9>sudo "command" or as root "command" journalctl has tools to show how big the logs is also.
10:48<amdgoon>i'm not finding vacuum in man journalctl, is that man# journalctl?
10:48<KOJIbKA>paxmark9: when I try ' jounalctl' I got ' No journal files were found'
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10:49<amdgoon>looks like it can be usefull
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10:50<amdgoon>KOJIbKA: odd, I get nearly 2k lines of journal lines here.
10:51<amdgoon>you must run as root though
10:51<paxmark9>man journalctl towards end "--vacuum-size=, --vacuum-time= Removes archived journal files until..."
10:51<amdgoon>journalctl as a user does the "No journal files ....
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10:53<JJ564464>Hi there
10:54<JJ564464>I am needing some help with bumblebee
10:54<amdgoon>paxmark9: weird, I scanned, used / to search inside the manpage...
10:54<JJ564464>I have an MSI laptop with optimus technology using a GTX 960M
10:54<JJ564464>This is the error I get:
10:54<JJ564464>Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) /dev/dri/card0: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied
10:54<JJ564464>[ 941.725133] [ERROR]Aborting because fallback start is disabled.
10:54<JJ564464>I followed the wiki and fixed what it said to fix but no luck!
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10:55<KOJIbKA>amdgoon: well as root I could get 'journalctl --vacuum-size=100M' -> journalctl: unknown option "--vacuum-size=100M"
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10:56<amdgoon>would that mean different version of journalctl? --version gives me systemd 215
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10:58<amdgoon>still one could look by hand at /var/log and see if any archived logs are big and delete them
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10:58<amdgoon>you are seeing 100% full somewhere with df command?
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11:01<amdgoon>KOJIbKA: be back in 15min
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11:08<paxmark9>KOJIbKA, sorry, thought it was in 215, I'm 226 For future - installing ncdu makes looking for huge files in / or /etc/ or /var very easy.
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11:10<KOJIbKA>paxmark9: I try to place the whole output of 'df' to pastebin. but so far there's no 100% used partition. But why GNOME is not accessible. I mean it does not recognize user and root passwords
11:10<paxmark9>with df - what reads out 100%
11:10<KOJIbKA>is there a chance to 'pastebin' directly from shell?
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11:11<KOJIbKA>paxmark9: none, maxumum is 74%
11:11<JJ564464>Hi, anyone have experience with bumblebee and GTX960M? Here is my bumblebee.conf: http://pastebin.com/eFLm1tjD
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11:11<KOJIbKA>that's for '/'
11:11<JJ564464>I am not sure if I have a "kernelmodule" installed yet
11:11<JJ564464>but I am unsure which one to install
11:12<KOJIbKA>paxmark9: /dev/dm-0 74% / and /dev/sda1 15% /boot
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11:15<JJ564464>Could someone help me understand which Nvidia-driver to use for GTX 960M with bumblebee
11:15<paxmark9>KOJIbKA, Then the problem is elsewhere if your "/" is 74% full. Are you on Jessie Debian or something else.
11:15<JJ564464>and if it is 352.21 how to install it from experimental?
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11:16<JJ564464>Thx for the help yesterday Hydroxide
11:16<dillon>.
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11:16<KOJIbKA>paxmark9: Debian GNU/Linux 8.2 (jessie)
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11:17<KOJIbKA>paxmark9: No LSB module are available
11:17<JJ564464>ooh okay I now know I need to install 352.21 of the Nvidia Driver, is this just a matter of adding "experimental" to the /etc/apt/sources.list file?
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11:24<KOJIbKA>jj564464: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?action=show&redirect=NVIDIA
11:25<JJ564464>Thank you I am on that page
11:25<JJ564464>just trying to understand how to install 352.21
11:25<JJ564464>I added experimental into sources, is it just a case of doing
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11:25<JJ564464># aptitude update
11:25<JJ564464># aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms
11:25<JJ564464>now?
11:25<KOJIbKA>jj564464: be careful, slight kernel change during upgrade and you're out of your Xs
11:26<JJ564464>right
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11:26<JJ564464>I am unsure the command to install 352.21 from experimental
11:26<JJ564464>thank you, I am new to understanding xorg config
11:26<JJ564464>maybe Ill try to learn it better on a desktop without bumblebee after this
11:26<KOJIbKA>jj564464: been there, done that. back to default video driver coming with GNOME
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11:27<JJ564464>I am just unsure the command for 352.21
11:27<JJ564464>I wonder if it is just
11:27<el>helllo
11:27<JJ564464>aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms
11:27<JJ564464>but I believe that is for 340.65
11:28<JJ564464>I will wait around for someone to chime in here
11:28<el>I need a help in IDS and IPS
11:28<JJ564464>Thanks KOjlbkKA
11:28<paxmark9>KOJIbKA, yeah, moms computer. 8gb ssd netbook. 1rst paste nano /etc/fstab Some day, later, to attack the shortcomings - I would go with adding a SDHC card to use for /home - it worked for me for years in netbooks.
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11:34<JJ564464>Do I need proprietary nvidia drivers or would it be easier just to use noveua
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11:36<amdgoon>nouveau will be easier if you change kernels and do dist-upgrades
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11:41<KOJIbKA>paxmark9: https://paste.debian.net/314286/
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11:43<JJ564464>okay thanks amdgoon
11:43<JJ564464>Do I need to uninstall bumblebee nvidia then?
11:43<JJ564464>bumlbee-nviida
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11:45<JJ564464>bumblebee-nvidia*
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11:49<paxmark9>KOJIbKA, I am not using gnome. maybe others could provide input as to purging gnome to add xfce using debian xfce wiki advice.
11:50<KOJIbKA>paxmark9: well, thanks for try anyway, :)
11:51<KOJIbKA>and coming back to the issue could anybody help me restore damaged GNOME. details given here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=125054
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11:51<paxmark9>KOJIbKA, and once you get it stable, sudo apt-get install ncdu
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11:55<KOJIbKA>paxmark9: I've tried it out on my desktop, it's impressive
11:55<KOJIbKA>paxmark9:half the way to GUI
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11:56<JJ564464>Hi guys how do I purge the bumblebee-nvidia and just use nouveau
11:56<JJ564464>I was hoping to install from experimental but I'd like to get nouveau to work first
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12:00<somiaj>JJ564464: what version of debian are you running?
12:01<JJ564464>Hi I am running jessie
12:01<JJ564464>I removed nvidia-bumblebee
12:01<somiaj>JJ564464: you should be able to have nvidia and nouveau side by side, just black list the nvidia driver and change your xorg.conf file
12:01<JJ564464>changed the Driver=nouveau
12:01<somiaj>did you actually install experimential packages on jessie?
12:01<JJ564464>no
12:01<JJ564464>just apped experimental to source list
12:01<JJ564464>added*
12:01<somiaj>you should be able to remove the xorg.conf file completely, nouveau should be auto detected
12:01<somiaj>do not add experiemential sources to jessie. This is only asking for hurt
12:02<JJ564464>I actually dont have a xorg.conf file because normally it has caused issues in the past for me
12:02<somiaj>the main thing you may have to check is you remove any black list the nvidia packages put on nouveau, check /etc/modprobe.d and make sure the module isnt' black listed.
12:02<JJ564464>hmm I have never checked that file
12:02<somiaj>yea xorg should auto detect most things. You really only need a small snipit if y ou are using nvidia non-free
12:02<somiaj>instead of changing it to load the nouveau drivers I would just remove either xorg.conf or the snippit in xorg.conf.d/
12:02<JJ564464>but not if you are using bumblebee right?
12:03<somiaj>I'm unsure of anythings special that needs to be done for bumblebee
12:03<JJ564464>yeah nothing is in modprode.d
12:03<JJ564464>and I dont have an xorg.conf
12:03<somiaj>it could be the intel driver ist he one that gets detected and you do have to do something to tell xrog to use the nvidia nouveau driver
12:03<JJ564464>hmm that is probably right
12:03<somiaj>but I'm just talking about clean up. Mkae sure you remove all the non-free nvidia stuff, make sure you remove the blacklist for nouveau, reboot
12:04<somiaj>load xorg
12:04<somiaj>check /var/log/Xorg.0.log, if the intel driver is the one that is being loaded by default you may have to write a small xorg.conf snippit to force it to use nouveau instead. Unsure how well this works as I have never tested it
12:04<JJ564464>ah okay I will look at wiki about blacklist for nouveau
12:04<somiaj>grep nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/* -- that should check for you
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12:05<somiaj>also make sure you have xserver-xorg-video-nouveau installed
12:05<JJ564464>oh okay thanks
12:05<JJ564464>how do I install xserver-xorg-video-noveau
12:05<somiaj>just apt-get install
12:06<somiaj>depending on how you installed your system it most likeyl is already installed (By default xorg will install all the standard video drivers) so it should be more a check than an intsall.
12:06<JJ564464>oh wow just apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
12:06<JJ564464>?
12:06<somiaj>correct, that ist he package name in debian
12:06<JJ564464>thank you
12:07<JJ564464>here is the result of grep nouveau...
12:07<JJ564464>/etc/modprobe.d/bumblebee.conf:# do not automatically load nouveau as it may prevent nvidia from loading
12:07<JJ564464>/etc/modprobe.d/bumblebee.conf:blacklist nouveau
12:07<JJ564464>/etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf:blacklist nouveau
12:07<JJ564464>oh wow
12:07<JJ564464>okay
12:07<somiaj>JJ564464: that is the blacklist I was talking about. You can probabaly just remove that file
12:07<somiaj>you probabaly need to remove the nvidia-dkms package ro what ever package you used to isntall the nvidia moudle
12:08<JJ564464>oh okay so just cd to that /etc/
12:08<JJ564464>and rm modprode.d?
12:08<somiaj>jsut removinb bumblee won't do that. Taht will rpobabaly remove the blacklist (or as I said they should be able to both be installed, you just need to change configs to make sure nouveau is loaded over nvidia)
12:08<somiaj>do not remove modprobe.d that is a full directory full of stuff about modules
12:08<JJ564464>yeah I dont have nvidia installed at all because I would have to install 352.21 from experimental
12:08<somiaj>remove the thing you want, or just edit the nouveau.conf file and comment out the blacklist options
12:09<JJ564464>okay thanks
12:09<somiaj>something installed that blacklist so you do haev nvidia installed
12:09<JJ564464>so nouveau.conf is in /etc?
12:09<somiaj>no it is in /etc/modprobe.d/
12:09<JJ564464>nano /etc/modprobe.d/?
12:09<somiaj>safest is to just edit that file and put a # character in front of of the blacklist lines
12:09<somiaj>no, it is a directory, modify the files insie of it
12:09<somiaj>the /etc/modprobe.d/* (this was just a short hand for all files)
12:10<JJ564464>sorry how do I get to edit the files inside of it
12:11<JJ564464>I went to cd /etc
12:11<somiaj>with your favorit editor, nano /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau.conf
12:11<JJ564464>oh thanks
12:11<somiaj>ok, now cd modprobe.d (get inside the directory), ls that directory, edit the file you need to edit
12:11<JJ564464>.d symbolizes a directory?
12:12<somiaj>JJ564464: it is just a standard convention for a directory that is full of config snippits (over a single config file)
12:12<somiaj>so instead of having one very large file, modprobe.d/ allows packages to put just the info they want and manage it in sepeate files. You will see this used in lots of config files that have multiple packages wanted to edit them.
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12:13<somiaj>but /etc is also a directory, /usr/ is also a directory. usually I try to put a slash at the end of a file name to signifiy it is a directory,
12:13<somiaj>but I don't always do that
12:13<JJ564464>oh okay thanks
12:13<JJ564464>so I went to /etc/modprode.d
12:13<JJ564464>then ls
12:13<somiaj>see all the files, edit the one you want
12:13<JJ564464>and saw nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf as one option
12:13<somiaj>that is just a list of all the files, that is the name of the file you want to edit
12:13<JJ564464>so I edited it and there was pretty much only one line that said blacklist nouveau
12:14<JJ564464>so I commented it out
12:14<somiaj>now when you reboot nouveau should auotmoatcaically load
12:14<somiaj>or you can just try 'modprobe nouveau' and see if you can just load it
12:14<JJ564464>as the only option?
12:14<JJ564464>would I want to deal with fbdev-blacklist.conf?
12:15<somiaj>well nvidia and nouveau conflict, so when you installed nvidia, it put that file there to keep nouveau from being loaded by deafult. commenting out that option keeps that file around and makes it not effective (This way if you try to switch back to nvidia at a later time you can just go remove that comment)
12:15<JJ564464>or bumblebee.conf in modprode.d at all?
12:15<somiaj>Unsure about bumblebee, you could see what that file does. I aws just trying to make it so nouveau will be loaded at boot for you which is what you need if you want nouveau
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12:18<JJ564464>oh okay thanks
12:18<JJ564464>I believe normally the intel graphics loads is that nouveau or is nouveau the Nvidia open source drivers?
12:18<JJ564464>will it cause a problem to have nouveau as the default option?
12:19<whoaski>hello all
12:21<JJ564464>thanks for your help somiaj
12:21<JJ564464>I have to go for now but will be back later
12:21<JJ564464>thanks
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13:06<KOJIbKA>after attempt to solve this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=125054 issue and removing GNOME from system it actually became broken. Now I'm not able to 'apt-get update' 'apt-get upgrade' - there is no network connection. Where should I dig in to solve it?
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13:07<KOJIbKA>I'm in the root shell
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13:08<KOJIbKA>means along with GNOME all network-manager like packages were removed and I'm out of network
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13:17<paxmark9>easiest try is via dhcp and ethernet cable.
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13:21<KOJIbKA>paxmark9: I've made up /etc/network/interfaces according to DHCP setting from https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration here. How to restart eth0?
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13:24<KOJIbKA>paxmark9: OK, done
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14:53<optraz>hi, how to find package mismatch version (between i386 and amd64) that is currently installed?
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15:01<somiaj>optraz: you can use apt-cache policy packagename and apt-cache policy packagename:i386
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15:01<somiaj>optraz: that should show you version you have installed, adn the versions you can isntall from apt via your sources
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15:04<optraz>somiaj: packagename ?
15:04<optraz>a fro loop to get allt he pckage and match 1 by 1?
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15:09<somiaj>packagename is the name of the package you want to check the versions of
15:09<optraz>well, i dont know what is the package
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15:29<optraz>libgcc1 Version: 1:5.2.1-20 libgcc1:i386 Version: 1:5.2.1-18
15:29<optraz>how to make them instlal using the exact version?
15:29<psilox>Hello, does somebody knows how to fix the torbrowser-launcher not starting due to out of date python packages?
15:32<Gerowen>psilox: Let me go download Tor and see what happens for me.
15:33<psilox>Gerowen, not tor but torbrowser-launcher which takes care of an up to date TBB for you (if it works..)
15:34<optraz>https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libgcc1 the version 1:5.2.1-20 does not have i386, why is that ? when it will be release?
15:35<psilox>https://packages.debian.org/jessie/torbrowser-launcher
15:36<Gerowen>optraz: You could always try downloading the 32 bit source and compiling it yourself. I'll take a look here in a second.
15:36<optraz>Gerowen: no.. i want the package manager handle that
15:36<optraz>i dotn want to do it myself
15:36<Gerowen>psilox: When I downloaded the Tor Browser bundle, then ran it to get it set up, the only updater I've found is the "updater" file in the "Browser" subfolder, is that what you're talking about failing?
15:36<optraz>Gerowen: skype installed in sid is not possible as the dependency cannot be resolve...
15:37<psilox>Gerowen, no i mean if you try to use TBB via the following package: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/torbrowser-launcher
15:38<Gerowen>psilox: Ah ok you installed it through Synaptic, lemme do the same then.
15:38<psilox>yes idd
15:39<psilox>very handy when it works! :)
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15:39<Gerowen>optraz: Have you added the i386 architecture to your system with "dpkg --add-architecture i386" ?
15:40<Gerowen>optraz: If you haven't, it won't look for 32 bit packages to satisfy those dependencies, it'll just fail.
15:40<optraz>dpkg --add-architecture i386 // i did
15:40*dpkg gets an architect to start planning a new neo-classical processor
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15:41<Gerowen>optraz: If you've added the architecture and ran "apt-get update" afterward, then it should work, but then again Sid is labeled "unstable" for a reason. You could try e-mailing the maintainers of the packages you listed earlier and ask them about it.
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15:43<optraz>Gerowen: hwo do i downgrade libstdc++6 to version same with the one in i386?
15:44<Gerowen>optraz: If you're using the terminal you can install the 32 bit package of anything by just adding ":i386". For example to install the 32 bit version of python3 it wouuld be "apt-get install python3:i386"
15:44<optraz>i know that
15:45<optraz>what i really want is to specify a version
15:45<optraz>apt-get install libstdc++6=5.2.1-18
15:45<optraz>dont work
15:46<psilox>optraz, try using Synaptic Package Manager gui. That's pretty easy for version management
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15:47<Gerowen>optraz: Check this out, this guy found a "snapshots" archive with older versions. http://hackedbellini.org/linux/downgrade-and-force-some-packages-on-debian-to-a-previous-version/
15:47<psilox>although,you propably let synaptic handle it for you
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15:48<optraz>psilox: no, it is not, dont kidding
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15:49<Gerowen>psilox: That's weird, it's failing on me too, but when I just downloaded the tarball from their website, it runs just fine cause' it ships with binary executables so you don't have to worry about compiling it or anything.
15:49<optraz>Gerowen: is there a way to do it via apt? i read that u can specify version using the equal sign
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15:50<Gerowen>optraz: If you have the version then you should be able to just use apt-get to install a specific version yes.
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15:50<optraz>Gerowen: when i do apt-cache show packagename | grep Version
15:50<optraz>it only show 1 :(
15:50<psilox>ok optraz, I believe you. I personally try not to mess too much with my packages and their dependencies..
15:50<Gerowen>optraz: Try that "snapshots" archive the guy talks about in the article I linked above.
15:52<psilox>Gerowen, I'll ditch the torbrowser-launcher and install TBB directly until the package is fixed..
15:53<Gerowen>psilox: That's what I'd do, only down side is you'll have to make your own shortcut if you want one, otherwise it seems to run just fine, :-)
15:53<psilox>ok Gerowen thx anyway!
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15:57<optraz>Gerowen: but it is a lot of works
15:57<optraz>do u know if there is a archive deb package
15:57<optraz>i can find the version i want and download it
15:57<optraz>and install via apt?
15:59<Gerowen>optraz: Should be able to, what was the name of the package?
15:59<Gerowen>Right here https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
16:00<Gerowen>You can search for the .deb files for just about any version of Debian.
16:00<optraz>libstdc++6
16:00<optraz>and libgcc1
16:00<optraz>both arch need version 5.2.1-18
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16:01<Gerowen>optraz: Hm, the version that ships with Stable is 4.9.something
16:01<Gerowen>optraz: The "testing" version is 5.2.1-17
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16:02<dionisius>Hello, can someone help me with my Wireless adapter? I have a TP Link TL-WN821N that uses the RTL8192CU chip
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16:02<Gerowen>optraz: Here's the page for libstdc++6: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libstdc++6
16:02<dionisius>I've installed the realtek-firmware package but no success so far... =(
16:03<Gerowen>dionisius: Have you rebooted?
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16:03<dionisius>many times
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16:05<optraz>firmware-realtek
16:06<dionisius>optraz: yup, I've installed that package
16:06<dionisius>-sorry for saying realtek-firmware
16:07<optraz>Gerowen: that is version -17
16:07<optraz>i prefer -18
16:09<optraz>dionisius: and then modinfo r8188eu
16:09<optraz>did it show anything?
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16:09<Gerowen>optraz: That's what I was saying, Debian's package search doesn't appear to have that specific version. :-(
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16:09<optraz>Gerowen: crap :(
16:10<optraz>i download that -17 u mentioned
16:10<optraz>try to install using dpkg -i
16:10<optraz>more dependencies CRAP
16:10<dionisius>optraz: well, i get a lot of info here, do you wanna see it?
16:10<optraz>no
16:10<Gerowen>Ubuntu doesn't seem to have -18 either. optraz
16:11<optraz>dionisius: no, then modprobe the module
16:11<optraz>Gerowen: i just change from unstable to testing and do apt update
16:11<optraz>see how it goes
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16:12<optraz>modprobe this module, RTL8192CU , u can see the kernel spill some very good information in /var/log/messages and u will know which module it need
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16:14<dionisius>optraz: Ok, I will take a look at it
16:14<dionisius>ty a lot
16:14<optraz>dionisius: yea, recently i got a dlink which using realtek chip too... i wrote a blog and it will be release in the near future
16:15<dionisius>Woah, sounds cool
16:15<dionisius>I always have trouble with wireless adapters on debian
16:17<Gerowen>When installing it, when it asks for firmware at the beginning of the install, I wrote down the filename, go to one of my other machines, download the package with that file and extract it to a thumb drive so it catches it on install.
16:18<optraz>Gerowen: my debian just FUCKED :(
16:18<optraz>now apt is gone
16:18<optraz>it removed anything and never get instlal
16:18<optraz>is there a revert?
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16:19<Gerowen>It removed apt?
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16:20<optraz>yea, entirely
16:20<optraz>i think i need to reinstall the os
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16:21<optraz>it's late here, going sleep, thank you for your time Gerowen :)
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16:23<Gerowen>optraz: Sorry I could be more help, :-( Have a good night.
16:24<Gerowen>Anybody got any idea why my "delete" key no longer works in Nautilus, and it has started replacing spaces with %20 like a Windows machine?
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16:34<SnusarN^>When i try to "create a new wireless network" in gnome-network-manager my only options for security is No, WEP 40/128 or WEP 128, why can't i use WPA2? I know my card can handle WPA2 and i have also used this as an "ad-hoc" in windows before, using WPA2. Thanks
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16:36<Gerowen>SnusarN^: I guess you're trying to create an ad-hoc network using WPA/WPA2 encryption, and not trying to connect to an existing network?
16:37<SnusarN^>Gerowen: exactly. I want to share my internetconnection from my laptop to my other devices, but i cannot use any other encryption than wep, wich is insecure
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16:38<Gerowen>SnusarN^: Found this topic on the issue. Ubuntu is based on Debian, so this solution should work for you. I haven't read the entire topic yet, but it might be helpful.
16:38<Gerowen>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1835274
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16:39<SnusarN^>just found the package wireless-tools that i will try playing around with but i'm not sure it will help. I have wpasupplicant packages installed and after some muckling i finally have my wifidrivers up and running properly
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16:39<SnusarN^>Thx i will check that topic
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16:48<SnusarN^>I still not quite get it, would be greate to get it to work directly in the network-manager to be able to quick create new networks when needed. But as i said the only option in dropdown-list is wep
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16:54<Gerowen>SnusarN^: I feel your pain, just out of curiosity, lemme see if I can do it.
16:54<Gerowen>Brb
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16:55<SnusarN^>Thank you a lot, i'm trying diffrient things atm but nothing seems to give me the functionality i'm looking for
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16:57<Gerowen>SnusarN^: So here's what I got. When I clicked my network icon in the top right, clicked "Wifi" then clicked "Wifi Settings", there's a button on the bottom left that just says, "Use as hotspot". I clicked that button and it automagically created a WPA encrypted ad-hoc network, and gave me the security key right there for me to use on the other machines.
16:57<sagpatke>Hi! I just plucked out my NVIDIA graphics card, and I'm stuck without GUI. Is there a way to automatically re-configure my xserver configuration file to use intel graphics card instead?
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16:58<Gerowen>SnusarN^: Does yours look like this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6017319/Screenshots/Screenshot%20from%202015-10-03%2016%3A57%3A29.png
16:58<SnusarN^>Just installed the Wicd-package and when trying to start a ad-hoc network it gives me one option i can check "Use encryption (WEP only)" seems that i can't use wpa2 directly in GUI from eighter Wicd or network-manager. What tool are you using Gerowen?
16:59<Gerowen>sagpatke: Haven't done it in a very long time, but running, as root, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" should do it.
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16:59<sagpatke>Gerowen: Let me try that
16:59<Gerowen>sagpatke: I won't swear by that, things have changed a bit since last time I had to do it, but hope it works for you.
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17:00<SnusarN^>hmm no i have no network-manager looking like that. I use xfce4 as my de, and have installed network-manager-gnome, and now wicd, to handle my connection. I can switch over to my laptop and take a screenshot if you want
17:00<Gerowen>SnusarN^ The default Gnome 3 network manager.
17:01<Gerowen>SnusarN^: I'm running Debian 8 Jessie with the default Gnome desktop.
17:01<sagpatke>Gerowen: Well, it returned a non-zero status. Not sure if it worked.
17:01<sagpatke>Gerowen: be right back.
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17:03<SnusarN^>Gerowen: Am i correct you are using network-manager-gnome 1.0.6 then? I'm using debian stretch on this one, but i have exactly the same problem on another laptop running jessie
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17:03<sagpatke>Gerowen: Didn't work!
17:03<Gerowen>SnusarN^: I'm not sure what version network manager it is, whatever is default in the Jessie Gnome 3, lemme check.
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17:04<Gerowen>SnusarN^: network-manager-gnome 0.9.10.0-2
17:05<SnusarN^>I think i found something in that network-manager i will check, thank you. Just strange that it doesn't seem to work in the default manager for xfce
17:05<don>are there anyone in here at this moment ??
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17:05<SnusarN^>don Yes always people awake in here, almost :P
17:06<don>Yeah !! but r they in here ??? ;-)
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17:06<Gerowen>sagpatke: Have you removed the NVidia drivers, or are you planning on putting the card back in?
17:06<don>bye for now
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17:07<sagpatke>Gerowen: I'm planning to put it back. But installing the proprietary driver will configure the xserver.conf for me.
17:07<sagpatke>Gerowen: So I don't mind messing with it.
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17:08<SnusarN^>Gerowen: I found why i got confused.. Seems that i cannot create an ad-hoc with wpa.. It needs to be "Infrastructur" wich i guess is the same as access point. In this case i guess it doesn't matter that much but i had no idea ad-hoc was not able to be used with wpa
17:08<Gerowen>sagpatke: I haven't messed with xserver.conf in a long time, I don't think most systems even use it any more. I could be wrong, but I haven't seen walk-throughs on editing that file in a while now. Just for kicks, try removing the NVidia/Noveu drivers and see if it reverts back.
17:09<Gerowen>SnusarN^: Weird, but as long as you got it working, :P
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17:10<SnusarN^>:) Thanks for your help anyways! Always confusing when trying to do things in a new enviroment
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17:11<sagpatke>Gerowen: I removed the xorg-xserver-video-nvidia package, and it asked me to manually remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia. Need to check if it worked. Be right back.
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17:13<sagpatke>Gerowen: I now got a message like "Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occured and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again."
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17:17<Gerowen>sagpatke: Check out this topic on the issue. It's from Ubuntu, but Ubuntu is based on Debian so it might work for you. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=690760
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17:22<sagpatke>Gerowen: Be right back. I'll check if it worked.
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17:37<SnusarN^>Nah still having trouble with the accesspoint-creation. I created an "Infrastructur" network within the network-manager and then changed the mode to "AP", i find my network but when trying to connect to it, it fails
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17:49<Gerowen>SnusarN^: I'm not sure what else to try then to be honest. You could try posting on the forums (forums.debian.net) and see if anybody has any suggestions.
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17:54<SnusarN^>Gerowen: Yes i guess i have to give up this today, even tried with KDE:s network-manager wich had the possibility to create an AP with wpa2 but when trying to connect to my new created network, it fails
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17:57<MyKe>Confederate States: economic reasons about its invasion
17:57<MyKe>The north INVADED them to impose industry over cotton fields and to cut commerce with UK
17:57<MyKe>Lincoln used a niggers army not to sacrifice white soldiers.
17:58<MyKe>Thoughts?
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18:00<Gerowen>MyKe: My thoughts are that this is a Debian support channel, not a political debate channel.
18:00<ryouma>wrong channel
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18:02<Marillion>please ignore offtopic people, or calling OPs
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18:03<MyKe>The debate has been opened
18:04<MyKe>I personally find Robert E. Lee a good oficial
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18:06<ansgar>!ops MyKe
18:06<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ansgar complains about: MyKe
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18:11<aboudreault>no no no
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18:11<jaccob>ssd drives are easy to setup or needs an expert linux technician?
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18:13<babilen>jaccob: easy
18:13<jaccob>babilen, turn off swap
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18:15<LeLutin>I can't seem to find documentation that details variables that can be used in files under apt.conf.d, specifically for unattended-upgrades (e.g. ${distro_code}, ${distro_id} and others). does someone know where to find documentation about that?
18:15<babilen>https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization
18:16<jaccob>babilen, seems complicated then
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18:17<babilen>jaccob: You can always make it complicated if you want to
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18:17<jaccob>babilen, a lot of advanced topics on that link, you mean you do not need to do those SSD Optimizations?
18:18<babilen>No, but you can.
18:18<babilen>A SSD will just work
18:18<jaccob>babilen, how do you turn off swap?
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18:19<jaccob>is 4gig ram enough to safely turn off swap?
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18:22<agaida>jaccob: don't turn off swap - not the best of all ideas
18:22<agaida>why would you?
18:22<jaccob>agaida, cause it will kill your ssd drive
18:23<agaida>true answer?
18:23<agaida>bullshit
18:23<jaccob>agaida, ssd drives have limited lifespan, you can only write to them so many times
18:24<agaida>if you know so many about - why do you ask?
18:24<jaccob>agaida, what is you problem, I just asked how to turn off, can you just not create a swap partition and linux will stull work?
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18:25<mgv>jaccob: sure
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18:25<agaida>my problem is - i've asked if you want a true answer - and that swap will ruin your ssd is bs
18:25<mgv>and that's a good idea if you have a SSD
18:25<jaccob>I think if you do not create a swap, it will create a swap on the root partition
18:25<mgv>jaccob: no, it won't create anything by default if you use manual parititoning
18:26<jaccob>agaida, feel free to ignore me if you are annoyed by me
18:26<jaccob>mgv, hmm, yeah that makes sense, thx
18:26<agaida>one have to write over 40G-60G every day to destroy a modern sdd - over 5-8 years
18:26<mgv>and even if you have created a swap partition by accident you can comment it out (or delete it) from /etc/fstab
18:26<agaida>when the ssd has a decent size
18:27<jaccob>I would try to find a computer that has ssd and hdd. But usually there is only one.
18:27<mgv>I have no idea how many write/erase cycle a modern ssd can do before dying, but swap is practically useless with a decent amount of RAM as long as you don't intend to hibernate it
18:28<jaccob>mgv, I notice that too, even with just 2g ram, you don't really need swap anymore.
18:28<mgv>yup
18:28<hicks>I have 8GB ram in the comp I use with an ssd and it hardly ever puts anything in swap. Total writes to the ssd over the last 6 months are tiny, nowhere near the value needed daily to be a prob.
18:28<hicks>Not sure how much you'd use swap with 4GB though
18:29<jaccob>hicks, so you never did any optimizations then, just a basic/regular install as if it were hdd
18:29<mgv>I have 4GB RAM and no swap. No problem with this setup
18:29<hicks>with smartctl you can monitor how much has been written to the ssd and get an idea of whether you're going to run into long term issues
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18:30<hicks>jaccob: the only thing I did was after a few month, enabled trim and ran fstrim once.
18:30<jaccob>hicks, cool thx
18:31<hicks>Use smartctl to check what your ssd reports and keep an eye on it, then you can better gauge if you need to start optimising for fewer writes or not.
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18:31<jaccob>I watch a lot of youtube and download and delete videos everyday, so I expect to have a lot of writes
18:31<mgv>[ that assuming your SSD reports useful SMART values, which mine doesn't ]
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18:32<hicks>like agaida said, you'd need to have a good 40+ GB written every single day for years to be an issue
18:32<hicks>depending on the ssd that is.
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18:32<agaida>jaccob: and regarding swap - you should read about http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/32333/what-does-the-vm-swappiness-parameter-really-control
18:32<jaccob>I didn't buy one yet, I was looking at a computer and it had ssd, so I googled and read a lot of confusing details that I didn't understand so I was scared to buy ssd hardware
18:32<piper>google will a swap ruin ssd maybe about 7 % will agree
18:33<piper>just read pretty much 6 pages
18:33<hicks>when they first came out, they had very little wear cycles before they died
18:33<hicks>but recent ones are pretty good in that regard
18:34<hicks>that said, don't take what I've said as gospel, it's only based on my limited use. :)
18:34<jaccob>thx guys
18:34<piper>7% of techs/people/whoever argee that is
18:34<jaccob>so you guys noticed a big speed difference, I heard it is 200x faster than hdd
18:34<agaida>and if one invest in a ssd - one should take >=256G - and in a modern machine is 8G RAM Standard - with swappiness=5 the machine will not swap most of the year
18:35<piper>if you bought it, use it, why baby it :)
18:35<agaida>but i wouldn't suggest to turn swap off - in case one need it one or two time a year :)
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18:36<agaida>piper: right
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18:37<piper>it's hard finding any drive nowadays lasting more than 8 years
18:37<piper>hell, some don't even last 5
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18:38<agaida>hmm - i have one
18:38<piper>i do too, but, it's not the norm anymore
18:38<agaida>my first - my good old VERTEX II 64G
18:39<piper>ah, ssd i don't have at home, work we do, i am still on hdd ;)
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18:45<agaida>you should - come on - sid, lot of cpu and ram and then a hdd is like a Porsche with a ol Ford T engine :P
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18:50<agaida>jaccob: sorry, don't want to be rude, but the internet don't forget - and over the years this sums up to a lot of old and outdated informations - which prevent up to date informations to be read, because everybody will find them - so the old and outdated things will still rank high, even if they are obsoleted
18:51<agaida>and become modern mythes
18:52<jaccob>agaida, thx
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18:54<piper>agaida: soon, i need more ram, video card first, probably 3-6 months for a sdd at home ;)
18:55<agaida>piper: i have 16 in two modules - DDR3 1600 - want to have them?
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18:58<agaida>piper: had to downgrade, my board plays tricks on me with 32G sometimes, so i have no usage for the ram anymore
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19:01<christo>hi all
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19:16<LeLutin>hmm logger doesn't work on sid (at least on my laptop); says there's no /dev/log
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19:37<veshi>Hello. I am looking for some bootloader help.
19:39<petrucci>Hi, don't know if I can help, but what's the trouble?
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19:40<veshi>petrucci: design questions...
19:40<veshi>I'm trying to create a system that will be used to upgrade and/or roll back to various system images.
19:41<veshi>I haven't yet worked out exactly how to create a "container" for these images that just has a bootloader and a partition table.
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19:42<petrucci>Probably a bit over my head, but what about something in the likes of what clonezilla does?
19:44<veshi>Interesting, I haven't seen that... but it seems to deal more with creating/archiving the images.
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19:44<petrucci>If you just need the bootloader and the partition table, can't you just dd them to a file. For images with unallocated space sparce files work nicelly.
19:45<veshi>Yup -- that's exactly what I want to do. I'm just having trouble getting that to work. =)
19:46<veshi>For example -- after creating an image file, how do I install the bootloader?
19:46<petrucci>Yes, I saves the mbr into a binary file, each partition in another, separated file(possibly compressed). and then in recovery time changes its value accordingly to the destiny system.
19:47<petrucci>You mean a saved bootloader? From a file to a live system?
19:47<veshi>Yeah.
19:48<petrucci>Probably relevant: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Master_Boot_Record#Backup_and_restoration
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19:49<veshi>Thanks!
19:49<petrucci>The mbr( modern UEFI system differ) contains the bootstrap(pointing to the bootloader) and the partition table. You can save it and recover it with dd (explained in the archwiki link)
19:50<veshi>Yes -- for my purposes, that would probably work. Do you know how to "save it" off the top of your head?
19:50<veshi>I'll continue to dig through the archwiki pages...
19:51<petrucci>the actual bootloader is in a partition. You can also save it with dd or clonezilla( it recognizes the file system and saves you the trouble of saving unallocated space)
19:51<petrucci>sorry, you mean save the mbr?
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19:52<veshi>Is there a good way to create an image that *only* has a MBR and partition table? From here I would like to boot images that I will put into this container image...
19:53<petrucci>the partition table is a part of the mbr.
19:53<veshi>Sorry for being vague -- this task is a little over my head. =)
19:54<petrucci>http://www.powerdatarecovery.com/images/tu/tu007/MBR.png
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19:55<petrucci>The mbr contains everything in that image, and it occupies the first 512 bytes of the HDD.
19:55<petrucci>By executing -- dd if=/dev/sda of=./mbr-backup bs=512 count=1 -- you copy it to a file called mbr-backup
19:56<petrucci>It's fine, I hoppe I can help ( I'm no expert tough )
19:56<veshi>Okay. So, I can create a new file and use something like `parted` to create a partition table and then just shove mbr-backup into it?
19:59<petrucci>You can... But when you shove mbr-backup into the file (since the partition table is in the mbr ) it will write anything you had done with parted. You can however first shove the mbr first and then use parted later if you want
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19:59<petrucci>*it will write over
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19:59<veshi>I see...
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20:04<petrucci>fdisk -l /dev/sda
20:04<petrucci>dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr-backup bs=512 count=1
20:04<petrucci>fallocate -l 10M file.img
20:04<petrucci>dd if=mbr-backup of=file.img bs=512 count=1
20:04<petrucci>fdisk -l file.img
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20:05<petrucci>fdisk -l /dev/sda
20:05<petrucci>dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr-backup bs=512 count=1
20:05<petrucci>fallocate -l 10M file.img
20:05<petrucci>dd if=mbr-backup of=file.img bs=512 count=1
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20:05<veshi>perfect!!
20:05<veshi>exactly what I was looking for.
20:05<petrucci>Something like this should work
20:06<veshi>okay -- now to get to work. thanks much for your advice.
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20:06<petrucci>=) You're welcome.
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20:20<marie-laure>bonsoir a toutes et a tous
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20:22<marie-laure>je suis nouvel utilisateur debian et j'ai un souci au délarage avec mon écran de pc portable qui refuse de s'allumer correctement si je ne branche pas un second écran externe quelqu'un aurait une idée ou chercher :) ?
20:23<marie-laure>démarrage*
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20:36<angel>hi
20:36<angel>hello please talk to me
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21:51<GoGi>when I start apache2 via systemctl it says failed, but then apache is nevertheless running
21:51<GoGi>what could be going on here?
21:53<Serialbox>GoGi: possible a child process hasn't shut down yet
21:53<Serialbox>run ps and look
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