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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-10-07

---Logopened Wed Oct 07 00:00:17 2015
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00:56<boounga>Anyone have a good link on formatting and mounting an external HD.. just plugged a 1tb NTFS in and it recognized it as sdb
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01:07<jm_>why would you use ntfs with linux?
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01:10<boounga>it's all good, formatted ext 4 now and as an NFS server
01:10<boounga>well NFS folder
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01:11<boounga>i'm a freebsd user, this is just slightly annoying to figure out lol
01:11<jm_>surely it's the same in fbsd - run mkfs to create a filesystem on it
01:12<jhonatanwgt>hola hablo español.
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01:12<jm_>!es
01:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
01:12<jhonatanwgt>ok gracias solo estoy probando, que tengan buena noche.
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01:26<boounga>i always used gpart in fbsd
01:26<boounga>newfs
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03:16<erent>hello, I've filed a bug report via e-mail but I didn't get any notification about it
03:17<erent>is it normal that I'm not notified about it?
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03:25<jm_>erent: have you checked the BTS page for the package in question?
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03:45<alexander>hello
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05:11<Fsociety>hello :)
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05:13<musca>Hello, hello Fsociety
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06:50<boyska>hello, and sorry if I am on the wrong channel; I am trying to package chdkptp, which requires mv config-linux.mk config.mk before make; what's the best way of doing it?
06:50<boyska>of course I could do it through a quilt patch, but this doesn't seem correct to me
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07:01<jay__>busy... ??
07:02<jm_>it's not a chat channel
07:02<jay__>okey... got it..:D
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07:22<Brigo>boyska, ask in #debian-mentors
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07:44<tdapc>how to remove the package updater [gui] ?
07:44<m1k1k3>where?
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07:46<tdapc>m1k1k3. ?
07:46<tdapc>from my machine
07:47<m1k1k3>linux?
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07:47<tdapc>yes . debian
07:47<Stummi>what is the package updater?
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07:48<tdapc>this package is periodically checking , consuming all my internet data ..
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07:48<Stummi>theres no package doing this in a standard debian installation
07:48<tdapc>process name is gpk-update-view
07:48<petn-randall>tdapc: What distribution and release are you running?
07:48<tdapc>debian jessie 8.2
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07:49<jm_>perhaps you mean gnome-packagekit?
07:50<tdapc>jm_ , I am not sure ..
07:51<tdapc>running gnome-packagekit doesnt showing anything ..
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07:52<jm_>this package includes the /usr/bin/gpk-update-viewer binary so see what happens if you try to uninstall it
07:52<jm_>perhaps also read the man pages first
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08:07<mythos>Yo_LtA <-- is spamming me with religion nonsense
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08:30<tdapc>how to create a repo in collab-maint. [have all access rights]
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08:31<petn-randall>mythos: Go to #oftc and complain there, so they can ban the bot from the network.
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08:31<mythos>petn-randall, ok
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08:53<babyswizz>please forgive my newbie question am very new to debian and am currently running debian 8 on vm
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08:55<babyswizz>I tried to run apt-show-versions to check if I have the latest version of a package on my vm and I get a error "bash: apt-show-versions: command not found"
08:56<babyswizz>and also I can't seem to run any apt commands as it also returns similar errors
08:56<oct>babyswizz: apt-cache show <package>
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08:58<babyswizz>oct: Thanks, but shouldn't I be able to run apt-show-versions and also apt-get install seems not to work on debian
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09:00<oct>babyswizz: I dont know of any command named apt-show-versions. Are you running apt-get as root?
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09:02<babyswizz>oct: Thanks again, apt-get install just worked. I added sudo to the command initially which I think caused the error I got. I guess sudo is not used in debian?
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09:03<oct>babyswizz: if you specify a root password sudo is not enabled by default. If you leave the root password empty sudo is installed and the first user in the system is given access to it
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09:04<oct>you can always install it
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09:05<babyswizz>ok thank you
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11:00<ohpleasework>Hi, is gnome-core the most lightweight gnome I can install? (It's about 1 GB)
11:00<SynrG>.install gnome
11:01<SynrG>oops, wrong prefix. let me check the correct factoid anyway ...
11:02<SynrG>!install gnome
11:02<dpkg>To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
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11:02<SynrG>ohpleasework: so allegedly option 5 is lighter ...
11:02<SynrG>and also "not recommended" :)
11:03<SynrG>ymmv
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11:05<ohpleasework>SynrG: since I can xinit instead of gdm, and ifup wlan0 instead of network manager, that only leaves gnome-session... 360mb... much better than 2 GB or 1GB! Sounds silly but I'll give it a try and install my own choosen apps - tyvm
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11:07<SynrG>sure. but if-and-when it breaks, this will be your own private little hell :)
11:07<SynrG>i'm sure the gnome maintainers will have little sympathy, i mean :p
11:08<ohpleasework>Oh yes Im wondering how broken it will be! But its a fresh base/tty install so Im not fussed
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11:15<rach>hi
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11:16<rach>i ve a serious problem
11:16<vickycq>Hi. Can I downgrade from unstable to testing?
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11:16<vickycq>Sorry. I should post this in #debian-next
11:17<SynrG>vickycq: not per se. you can change your sources.list from unstable to testing and eventually most packages "catch up"
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11:17<SynrG>yes. it would be better there :)
11:17<rach>i am on testing, and after a update/upgrade and a reboot, the os looks like broken
11:17<vickycq>SynrG, Thanks. :-)
11:17<SynrG>rach: likewise. see #debian-next
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11:17<retrospectacus>take note of the topic when you get there
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11:17<SynrG>we've had some earlier discussion there today about people's gdm being broken after upgrading, and a specific bug# cited there
11:18<rach>SynrG: i must join this channel?
11:18<SynrG>please do.
11:18<rach>ok tyvm bro see ya ;)
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11:27<user1234>there are more people on #debian on freenode
11:28<retrospectacus>user1234: do you have a question
11:28<jelly>user1234: yes, but quantity != quality
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11:35<SynrG>and "# of idling users" is a poor way to estimate available helpers
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11:43<dutchfish>SynrG, sorry, what was your question? I just logged on.
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11:45<SynrG>dutchfish: not my question. just an observation. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/211e73f4/
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11:48<dutchfish>SynrG, fair enough, thanks
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13:16<grummund>hi, i'm seeing a massive disparity between df -h (2.5G used, 174M free) and du -sh (488M used), what could cause this?
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13:21<dutchfish>grummund, not all OSes support -h option, if it is an old nondebian it might be. Debian does support -h (just a wild gues)
13:21<grummund>yes it is debian
13:22<chris_se>grummund, are you missing some files?
13:22<chris_se>i.e. are you doing du -sh * or so?
13:22<chris_se>because if there are hidden files / directories (start with a .), they would account for the difference
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13:23<chris_se>(a small difference is always there because of filesystem headers and/or filesystem journaling, but that should be at most 100megs, less if you don't have a huge partition)
13:24<grummund>exact command was "df -h .; sudo du -sh ." and it returns 2.5G used vs. 488M used
13:24<chris_se>is . a mount point?
13:24<chris_se>because if you do . in a subdirectory, obviously that won't include everything
13:24<chris_se>(du only tells you about the disk usage of the directory you specify, df applies to the entire partition)
13:25<chris_se>s/because if you do . in/because if you do du in/
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13:25<grummund>yep, ok replaced . with the mount point and get the same result
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13:26<grummund>that filesystem became 100% full, i removed over 1G of files so there should be free space now
13:26<chris_se>no, . is fine if . is the mount point (e.g. if you are in /home and it's mounted at /home, then using . is fine - I was just asking whether you accidentally did du in /home/foo)
13:26<chris_se>grummund, on a running system there could still be deleted files open that still take disk space
13:27<chris_se>if you delete an open file, it will only be removed once the program closes that file (or the program exits)
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13:27<grummund>ok a reboot would cure that
13:27<chris_se>one possibility
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13:27<chris_se>or you could find out which programs have deleted files open
13:28<chris_se>as root: lsof | grep DEL
13:28<chris_se>note that on a default system this will give you a LOT of files
13:28<chris_se>because using deleted files is the standard mode of operation on a lot of systems
13:29<chris_se>so you'd probably want to filter that a bit
13:29<chris_se>lsof | grep DEL | grep /home | grep -v dconf/user | grep -v gvfs-metadata
13:29<chris_se>(replace /home with the mount point you're looking at)
13:29<grummund>hmm lsof | grep DEL lists only a bunch of /SYSV00000nnn and /dev/zero's
13:30<chris_se>ignore /dev/zero
13:31<chris_se>SYSV00000... is shared memory
13:31<grummund>sudo lsof /var | grep DEL
13:31<grummund><nothing>
13:31<chris_se>ignore SYSV0000...
13:31<chris_se>lsof /var won't do anything
13:32<grummund>it does. sudo lsof /var | wc -l returns 148
13:32<chris_se>lsof -t +f -- /var/
13:32<chris_se>that shows you everything on that mount point
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13:33<chris_se>lsof /var does nothing on my system, because nothing has /var itself open - but lsof | grep /var is a lot on my system
13:34<chris_se>aehm sorry
13:34<chris_se>I took that out of a script
13:34<grummund>maybe you don't have /var as a separate mount?
13:34<chris_se>oh yes, that's true in my case
13:34<chris_se>anyway, doesn't help you
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13:34<chris_se>so your /var is full, you deleted stuff, lsof doesn't show any deleted files
13:34<chris_se>correct?
13:35<chris_se>and du -sh /var gives you ~500 megs, df -h /var gives you ~2.5 gigs used?
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13:35<grummund>it was 100%, now 94%, but i reckon should be much less
13:35<chris_se>sure... what type of filesystem?
13:35<grummund>old... *very* old
13:36<chris_se>yeah, but type? ext2?
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13:36<grummund>ext3. maybe it needs an fsck
13:37<chris_se>probably...
13:37<chris_se>because something's wrong
13:37<chris_se>do the following:
13:37<chris_se> - get the block device that's mounted on /var (df shows that for example) - e.g. /dev/vda5 or so
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13:38<chris_se> - run: tune2fs -C 2000 /dev/vda5 (or whatever your block device was)
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13:38<chris_se>then reboot - that will force a filesystem check of that filesystem on the next reboot
13:38<chris_se>(-C sets the mount count to a specific value, and 2000 is larger than what the limit of number of mounts would usually be)
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13:40<grummund>ok thanks for that. reboot gonna kill my connection... cya.
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13:40<chris_se>but note that the max mount count shouldn't be zero, so check with tune2fs -l /dev/vda5 (replace with your device) and see that maximum mount count > 0
13:41<chris_se>so in doubt do tune2fs -c 100 /dev/vda5
13:41<chris_se>(that will tell the system to check that filesystem every 100 mounts or so)
13:41<grummund>Mount count: 29
13:41<grummund>Maximum mount count: 30
13:41<chris_se>(replace by a number you're comfortable with)
13:41<chris_se>ah...
13:41<chris_se>but then you didn't do -C yet, right/
13:42<grummund>not yet
13:42<chris_se>ah ok, good, then everything's fine
13:42<chris_se>just do -C (no need for -c), and reboot, it will check the fs, and then hopefully everything will be fine
13:43<grummund>thanks
13:43<chris_se>good luck
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13:46*grummund back
13:46<chris_se>did it help?
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13:47<grummund>yeah now only 22% used
13:47<chris_se>filesystem check find anything?
13:47<grummund>not sure what happened with the fsck, i didn't get to the console in time
13:48<chris_se>what debian version?
13:48<grummund>very old
13:49<grummund>anyway thanks for the help
13:49<grummund>it's all happy now :)
13:49<chris_se>np
13:49<chris_se>btw. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ConvertFilesystemToExt4
13:49<chris_se>I've had good experiences with ext4 for a while
13:50<chris_se>so long as this is at least squeeze (kernel 2.6.32), I would recommend converting
13:50<chris_se>(unless you replace the fs where /boot, ignore the reinstall grub section of that wiki page)
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13:50<chris_se>(but backup beforehand just in case)
13:51<grummund>the whole box is due to be retired and replaced with something more shiny
13:51<Groovy_do>Has anyone experienced poor wireless network performance for 802.11n in Debian?
13:51<blast007>Groovy_do: that's rather subjective and vague
13:51<Groovy_do>Yeah
13:51<SpeedyG>Groovy_do: only when I forgot to connect the antenna to the card ;)
13:52<chris_se>Groovy_do, Debian specifically or Linux in general?
13:52<chris_se>I've had bad experiences with some chips
13:52<Groovy_do>I'm trying to find a solution to a problem and I'm beginning to suspect it's a driver issue. 54G level performance in linux, 802.11n performance in Windows using the same USB N adapter.
13:53<chris_se>what adapter?
13:53<chris_se>make/model?
13:53<blast007>the line for that device from 'lsusb' would be most useful
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13:54<Groovy_do>rnx-n180ube, uses the r8712u module.
13:55<chris_se>ok, sorry, no experience with that chip. hope somebody else can help you
13:55<Groovy_do>Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8191SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter
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13:56<Groovy_do>The driver ships with Debian. Tried compiling the one from Realtek which is the same from Rosewill but that doesn't work because it's for a older kernel. And Ndiswrapper doesn't work for this adapter.
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13:57<blast007>Groovy_do: and you have the 'firmware-realtek' package installed?
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13:58<Groovy_do>I'll check, pretty sure I do though.
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13:58<Groovy_do>YEs
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14:00<Yst>I don't suppose anyone here would be able to help me with multicast DNS names, would they? I just looked into how to set up my system to answer to a "*.local" address, and it turns out that my system has already been listening for the name "newdawn.local" for seven months without me even knowing. Now I'm trying to get it to also answer to subdomains of it's own local domain. Any ideas as to whether this is even possible or not?
14:02<blast007>Yst: .local is reserved for zeroconf resolution (via Avahi and Bonjour)
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14:03<blast007>ah, which you are trying to make use of :) missed the multicast part
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14:03<Yst>Yeah, but my system is answering to "newdawn.local" over zeroconf resolution. Am I able to get it to additionally answer to ...
14:03<Yst>Okay, you got it.
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14:04<somiaj>blast007: check /etc/hosts (usually a few basic things like that are put in the host file). This really isn't your machine listening for this paticuarl hostname, just that it uses the /etc/hosts file first for dns resolution before looking for the nameservers in resolv.conf
14:04<somiaj>I meant Yst above
14:05<somiaj>but I did forget about avahi.
14:06<Yst>somiaj: If I edit my hosts file, won't only requests from localhost resolve correctly? Other machines on my local network won't know where "example.newdawn.local" is, right?
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14:07<blast007>Yst: perhaps this? http://www.avahi.org/wiki/Examples/PythonPublishAlias (I read somewhere that the avahi static hosts file doesn't support subdomains, at least at the time they posted, which was 2010)
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14:08<somiaj>Yst: correct, I have always just put a name server on the local network if I wanted local names being resolved. Though I'm not sure with the avahi and other tools that try to automate this local discovery
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14:08<neskau>Good afternoon! Can someone help me with 'sed' please, I'm trying to change the line '31' several conf files with a new variable, how would anyone know ?
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14:09<Yst>blast007: I'll try that, thanks! I'm a bit unsure it will work though, it says it uses CNAMEs I tried seting up a couple CNAMES from regular DNS to multicast DNS, and that didn't work, though maybe multicast CNAMEs will work.
14:09<Yst>somiaj: Alright, thank you!
14:10<somiaj>neskau: how are you trying to change it?
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14:11<blast007>Groovy_do: it might just be a deficiency of the linux drivers in the kernel version you're using. A newer backported kernel *might* help, but no guarantees.
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14:11<neskau>[somiaj]: I tested it this way , but I think ta missing something there .. ' # sed --in-place="*.conf" -e "31s/set userfile "sbyteadm.user"" '
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14:14<somiaj>neskau: your nested quotes will cause trouble, you best escape the ones inside the major quotes., also your regex looks like it needs some improving.
14:14<somiaj>neskau: but what you want to do is replace line 31 with a new line that you give it. This line won't vary from machine to machine?
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14:16<neskau>[somiaj]: No no ... it's just replace the entire variable which is this line in several ' .conf ' files a variable
14:16<Groovy_do>blast007, maybe but the same thing is true on a new version of Ubuntu on a different client using the same adapter as well.
14:16<somiaj>neskau: can you give me what the old line looks like, and what you want the new line to look like.
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14:23<neskau>¡!somiaj!¡: Well, the * .conf were configured with several variables... example: file neskau.conf / Line 31: set userfile "neskau.user" --- file renan.conf / Line 31: set userfile "renan.user" */*/* Each file exactly this line is named after him, but who turn everything into a pattern file, "neskau.user" and "renan.user" to "sbyte.user" .. I would like to standardize all.
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14:24<somiaj>neskau: this might work, I would try it without the i first as a test case. 'sed -i "34s/\"(.+)\"/\"sbyte.user\"/" file1.conf file2.conf ...
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14:25<somiaj>neskau: my regex is a bit rusty, but as long as you only have a singple pair of quotes in that line, that will find the first pair of quotes "something" and replace it with "sbyte.user"
14:25<somiaj>neskau: oh wait, 31 (not 34) typed the wrong line number.
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14:29<neskau>[somiaj]: Did not work
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14:31<somiaj>neskau: sorry it is just .*, I forget my regex, sed -i "31s/\".*\"/\"sbyte.user\"/"
14:32<neskau>[somiaj]: sed -i "31s/\".*\"/\"sbyte.user\"/" *.conf ?
14:33<somiaj>neskau: that seems correct, but again test that first as it could cause troubles
14:33<somiaj>neskau: the easiest way to test it is to remove the -i, and run it on a single file to see if it works.
14:33<somiaj>neskau: or have a backup
14:33<somiaj>neskau: running commands someone on IRC gives you is always a risk. (:
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14:36<neskau>(somiaj)~%: Yup!!! It worked ! Thank you! You are the man!
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14:44<qxt>I need to mount a CIFS share that is on a remote NAS. Have installed cifs-utils. Is there something wrong with the way I am doing this? sudo mount -t cifs -v 123.456.7.891:/mnt/bigdata/OwnCloud /mnt/owncloud/
14:45<qxt>I am getting a mount.cifs: bad UNC
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14:46<qxt>All the paths are correct. The IP is not the one I am showing btw
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14:50<stemid>qxt: use smbclient to see the shares instead of guessing. smbclient -L server
14:51<tremon>qxt: unc paths start with //, not sure how picky cifs is. You're providing it an nfs-style path, not a unc path
14:51<stemid>smbclient -U user -L server if you need to login.
14:51<tremon>(actually, unc paths start with \\)
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14:52<stemid>yeah, like tremon says. it's unlikely your share name is /mnt/bigdata/OwnCloud
14:52<qxt>I don't have a X server on that machine. It is just a server with owncloud on it. The storage is on a remote NAS.
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14:53<stemid>you don't need X. you need to list the servers shares.
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14:53<stemid>btw, I would probably mount from the nas directly then. I have the same setup at home.
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14:54<qxt>You mean make a Jail on the NAS for OwnCloud ?
14:54<qxt>Jain since it is FreeBSD NAS
14:54<qxt>Jail*
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14:58<qxt>Yeah I guess that would work. Just dont like to use ports. As it is now I am setting up a Debian KVM server that is hosting OwnCloud. It uses the remote NAS (FreeBSD ZFS) for storge. I know the samba share works since I can see it on the network.
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14:59<tremon>qxt: what's the share name?
14:59<qxt>OwnCloud
15:00<qxt>and the mount point is /mnt/owncloud
15:00<tremon>try mounting //123.456.7.891/OwnCloud then?
15:01<qxt>woot thx. got a warning to remove the ":" then it worked like this sudo mount -t cifs -v //333.222.1.111/mnt/bigdata/OwnCloud /mnt/owncloud/
15:02<qxt>what a dumb format... " // " and no " : "
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15:03<jhutchins>qxt: C:\ - remember CIFS is Microsoft.
15:03<jhutchins>qxt: You'd replace the forward slashes with backslashes on a microsoft system.
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15:04<qxt>I just got a call saying it worked on MS.
15:05<qxt>Can't MS just be half normal. They go full retard on everything.
15:07<jhutchins>qxt: A lot of this stuff didn't exist when they were starting out and they had to make up their own standards. Computers didn't talk to each other.
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15:08<qxt>Wish MS would support NFS. Feels kind of iffy using samba since it is not even using sync. The point of a ZFS NAS it is make sure your data is safe.
15:08<qxt>can I force CIFS to use sync ?
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15:17<TomasCZ>qxt isn't there some unix tools CD that might have something? I know I saw something on MSDNAA...
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15:19<TomasCZ>en_windows_services_unix_3.5.iso
15:19<qxt>TomasCZ, even better then that. Just called my boss and told him that "I can computer and it will explode if we use samba" Gonna use NFS on our NAS now =)
15:19<TomasCZ>Appologies it is kind of shooting in dark, I have a copy of that but can't say what is there.
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15:20<TomasCZ>qxt, that might work :)
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15:22<TomasCZ>qxt do you know some nice tweaks for snd_hda_intel or issues with usb mouse(does not work first time plugged mostly)? we are talking ultrabook after resume.
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15:23<qxt>Well the NAS is a FreeBSD ZFS one. Just the shares on it dont have to be samba. Can use NFS. OwnCloud has a nice blinky (key word) GUI that Windows users like. No need for a extra samba folder.
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15:27<jhutchins>qxt: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754350.aspx
15:28<jhutchins>qxt: Need to enable "Sevices for NFS".
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15:31<ryouma>anybody know how to reverse the sense of the mousewheel in feh?
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15:31<qxt>jhutchins, nice did not know there was support for that.
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15:32<jhutchins>qxt: There are some advantages to using CIFS. It's very reliable these days, the Windows machines are comfortable with it, and it cooperates with owner/permissions pretty well.
15:33<qxt>hmm, anyway to make it use full sync ?
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15:34<qxt>To be honest Windows is a lot better then it was when I used it last. Think that was XP or something. Tried Windows 10 out the other day. PowerShell more or less was like a "noraml" shell
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15:35<qxt>Was easy has to set up iSCSI on it.
15:35<qxt>Was easy to*
15:36<boounga>only problem is it basically reports everything you do to them
15:37<boounga>like a giant piece of spyware
15:37<boounga>it sure is quick and nice to use though
15:38<qxt>I know it nuts! I watch out networks and see the Windows machines talking 24/7 to MS servers about all sorts of crap.
15:38<TomasCZ>qxt, idk about that, for me wXP works the same way win7 when it comes to problems.
15:39<TomasCZ>qxt, yes I rule out 8 and 10.
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15:39<boounga>We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to.
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15:39<boounga>that's from the user agreement on windows 10
15:40<boounga>i'll never use it, i just tried it out lol
15:40<qxt>Reason we have Windows10 is because the EFI install is easy on kvm using OVMF.
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15:41<qxt>but I like my good old Debian. Been around the block with a lot of distos and always find my way back to Debian
15:41<bonGo>Does anyone in here know where to download the latest games, movies and music?
15:41<qxt>lol
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15:42<boounga>bonGo: torrents?
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15:42<boounga>http://bgr.com/2015/08/14/windows-10-spying-prevention-privacy-tools/
15:42<boounga>i guess theres a bunch of tools to shut all the crap off
15:42<boounga>i'd be running one of those if my business was using win 10 lol
15:43<qxt>bonGo, there is a super torrent site over here www.fbi.gov/contact-us
15:43<somiaj>bonGo: we support the debian os here, we don't support downloading anything without proper license, and suggest you just use free software.
15:44<TomasCZ>boounga, there even some fake ones. Quite frankly you can use linux to secure linux install :D
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15:45<boounga>i use OSX for desktop and debian for my little server :P
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15:46<TomasCZ>I did once something similar. Someone asked on forums in way of "I did this and it doesn't work. Fix it" And I went on that we don't know what is on his computer and his friends computer and that the kind of support he seeks is somemail@nsa.gov or perhaps he wants to fill form nsa.gov/technical_support.pdf
15:46<somiaj>boounga: please stick to debian support. Compliaing about windows is off topic here.
15:47*TomasCZ did used real address and real link back then.
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15:54<bonGo>irc.debian.org is this Debians own IRC network?
15:54<somiaj>bonGo: not just debian, but debian moved to irc.oftc.net years ago (which is what irc.debian.org points to)
15:54<somiaj>I think debian is one of the biggest comunities on this network, but don't have all the details.
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16:53<Atm0spher1c>How do we build a package from *debianized* source? Using - dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc gives me ERRORS - dh: no packages to build. dpkg-genchanges: error: binary build with no binary artifacts found; cannot distribute.
16:56<tremon>Atm0spher1c: is debian/control empty?
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16:56<tremon>probably better to ask in #debian-mentors btw, but debian/control should define Package: sections for dpkg to build them
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16:57<Atm0spher1c>tremon: no it is not
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16:59<tremon>Atm0spher1c: ask on #debian-mentors. More knowledgeable people there. maybe a syntax error in the control file
17:00<Atm0spher1c>thanks for the tip
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18:01<mellowjack>hello, is this the right place to ask about compiling the kernel ( linux-image-4.1.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 ) with an added flag ( CONFIG_PINCTRL_BAYTRAIL=y ) ?
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18:06<Gerowen>Any particular reason that nautilus no longer lists folders above files when sorting alphabetically? It used to be that when you sorted by name, it would place all folders at the top in alphabetical order, and then all other files below those alphabetically. I can achieve this result with sorting by type, but then the files themselves aren't alphabetical as a whole, which makes sorting through a folder like "Documents" that contains a mix of RTF, PDF,
18:06<Gerowen>TXT, etc., kind of a pain. Is there an option in Gnome Shell to sort by name AND keep folders all together at the top?
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19:12<qxt>How the group "nobody" been removed from Debian?
19:12<qxt>kinda need it
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19:13<qxt>In Arch it is nobody:x:99:
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19:15<bonGo>arch is basically only text (CLI), debian does atleast have a graphical interface (GUI)
19:15<qxt>and in freeBSD it is at nobody:*:65534:
19:16<qxt>bonGo, Linux is Linux. You can drop the fluff on any GUN/Linux you want
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19:20<qxt>LOL, this can be read in a lot of way but is the issue I am having. http://i.imgur.com/HIkQyeW.png
19:21<bonGo>i don't know, is it safer if everything is just command-line interface or if it's graphical user interface?
19:22<qxt>it is a headless kvm bare metal virtual machine using vfio to passthough the LSI 9211-8i HBA
19:23<qxt>One of about 40 virtual machines on the host.
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19:41<qxt>its still there. grep nobody /etc/passwd
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20:13<dtcrshr>hello. I created a new user, and setup the ssh key for the user, But when I connect via ssh the .bashrc profile isnt loaded. I created a .bash_profile pointing to bashrc but it still wont load uppon login, only if I type "bash" on the terminal
20:13<dtcrshr>what would be other ways to setup so automatically uppon ssh login the bashrc profile is loaded?
20:14<abrotman>did you read the top of .bashrc?
20:15<dtcrshr>Im using a customized one.
20:15<dtcrshr>I just ovewrited the stock one, lemme see on other user
20:17<abrotman>just because you overwrote it doesn't changethe way itworks
20:18<dtcrshr>yeah. other user works fine, its just for this new one, I may be missing something.
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20:18<dtcrshr>I compared to the other .bash* files on the other user, all files are there. maybe permissions?
20:18<dtcrshr>this new user dont have a group with its name.
20:19<dtcrshr>I thought I didnt need to create, I just added it to the users group.
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21:45<k-man>hi
21:45<k-man>i have a quad output video card. i had 2 monitors connected and working fine
21:46<k-man>now that i added a third, what do i have to do to get it working? (i can't remember what i did to get the second monitor working)
21:46<abrotman>xrandr ?
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21:46<k-man>xrandr reports the video output is available but it says the monitor is disconnected
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21:49<Maxxe>How can I change my keyboard layout to fr_CA using command line
21:49<Maxxe>Doesnt seems to be working properly, I keep getting US layout
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22:54<k-man>so i can sort of get the 3rd monitor working. the mouse shows up on it, but i can't drag any windows to it
22:54<k-man>it seems like triple monitors is just not well supported in linux
22:55<abrotman>wrong edge?
22:55<k-man>no, its weird, when i drag a window to it, the mouse goes onto that screen, but the window appears on the other screen
22:56<k-man>i'm using the nvidia drivers which i think you need to use to be able to use gnome3?
22:56<abrotman>no
22:57<k-man>oh, maybe xrandr is too old, i just read xrandr 1.4 supports multiple gpus
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22:59<k-man>should i switch to nouveau drivers maybe?
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