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---Logopened Mon Oct 12 00:00:24 2015
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00:06<jaccob>I did apt-cache search harden but didn't find the harden meta package?
00:07<somiaj>jaccob: what meta package are you talking about? I do see some documentation, maybe that is what you were intersted in
00:07<somiaj>,v harden-doc
00:07<judd>Package: harden-doc on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.13.3; wheezy: 3.15.1; stretch: 3.18; sid: 3.18
00:08<jaccob>somiaj, there a a few harden packages, like harden-clients, harden-servers, harden-tools, and there is also supposed to be a harden meta package that install them all I guess
00:09<somiaj>jaccob: seems they were removed in jessie, one second I'll find out why.
00:09<jaccob>my search for harden only turns up hardening-wrapper and hardening-includes
00:09<jaccob>somiaj, thx
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00:10<somiaj>jaccob: https://packages.qa.debian.org/h/harden.html -- looks like there was some bugs you can look at, but as you see harden was removed from testing on 2014-05-11 and then removed from unstable. Click the links to find more info
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00:10<somiaj>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=782978
00:10<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/782978 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: harden -- RoQA; no longer useful»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-04-20; last modified: 2015-05-21.
00:11<somiaj>guess the matainer thinks they should be removed, as they were no longer useful.
00:14<jaccob>somiaj, so is there alternative to harden or debian is hard already? Even Bastille isn't in repo ttps://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-automatic-harden.en.html
00:16<somiaj>jaccob: I think the suggested method is just go read a hardeing debian guide or the harden-doc package and decide which things apply to your situation and apply them.
00:16<jaccob>somiaj, thx, is harden-doc on my system?
00:16<somiaj>But I am just a desktop user who is happy with defaults. It should be
00:16<somiaj>,v harden-doc
00:16<judd>Package: harden-doc on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.13.3; wheezy: 3.15.1; stretch: 3.18; sid: 3.18
00:16<PovAddict>jaccob: if it's not, install it :P
00:16<somiaj>oh I guess it is not, I bet it was part of the harden package that didn't get removed since it wasn't doing anything
00:17<somiaj>that might be outdated.
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00:17<somiaj>https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ that is this documentation too
00:17<jaccob>yeah, I don't see it in the repo
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00:21<Laibsch>Can I get apt to access htpasswd-protected repositories?
00:22<somiaj>Laibsch: what do you mean by that? In theory if you don't have the username/password you can't get the http server to give you access.
00:22<themill>http://user:pass@server:port/ (as per sources.list(5))
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00:23<somiaj>Oh I missread the question (missed the apt part)
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00:26<Laibsch>themill: Isn't that only for proxies? That's my understanding of the manpage you quoted.
00:26<Laibsch>somiaj: the reason for this approach is to publicize a repo without actually making it public to everyone.
00:26<Laibsch>Think about putting private debs somewhere so you can install them without others being able to see them.
00:27<themill>I thought that worked for the deb line too. If I really want things private I use ssh repos
00:28<Laibsch>ssh is one possibility but that is a bit cumbersome
00:28<Laibsch>yes, themill I'd use ssh, too, for really sensitive stuff
00:28<Laibsch>user/pw would be good enough for me
00:29<Laibsch>in this case
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00:29<somiaj>Laibsch: yea I just missread your question in that you were wanting apt to be able to send the authenitcation. And I don't know the answer to that.
00:30<Laibsch>themill: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18941517/how-to-access-local-apt-repository-behind-https suggests you might be right about deb lines supporting user/pw
00:30<Laibsch>somiaj: np. thanks for pitching in.
00:30<themill>try it and see is probably the answer
00:31<Laibsch>I will now ;-)
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00:39<helpmeplz>Can anybody please tell me which Debian apps use my network in the background after install? I am really trying to get into Debian but coming from Windows I don't really trust an OS that is sending/receiving data without me knowing what it's doing
00:39<helpmeplz>Fresh install
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01:53<twb>genisoimage, at least as at 2010, claims to only partially support generating UDF filesystems. Are there any alternatives?
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01:54<twb>My goal is "back up user data to a DVD, so it can be read on Windows", and I'm hitting problems because ISO 9660 Joliet (i.e. Windows) extensions has a 64-codepoint limit, and Chromium generates filenames with UUIDs longer than that
01:54<twb>(e.g. "chrome extension_pafkbggdmjlpgkdkcbjmhmfcdpncadgh_0.localstorage")
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01:57<jm_>twb: I used to use mkudffs and kernel's UDF write support to create UDF images back then
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01:58<twb>Interesting
01:58<twb>I should add: I want to generate the .iso and burn it later, because the burner and the server are completely separated
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01:59<jm_>yeah that's what I did, mkudffs, mount -o loop ..., growisofs
01:59<twb>yuk
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01:59<twb>losetup FTL
01:59<twb>But I'll consider it anyways
01:59<jm_>I haven't found a create UDF image from fs tool for linux
02:00<jm_>at least back when I still used to burn images
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02:00<twb>I don't actually have to make disc images, it's just the easiest thing to do in a prison
02:00<twb>as opposed to USB flash drives or doing it over the network, I mean
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02:03<twb>Looks like dpkg's suggestion of udftools is basically your mkudffs
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02:10<twb>"growisofs is able to either write pre-created ISO images or create them on-the-fly (by calling genisoimage)."
02:10<twb>So growisofs is no good
02:10<twb>Sigh. This is like that time I was trying to support 3.5" floppy drives in GNOME2
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02:11<twb>Now I'm trying to make DVDs while everyone else has moved on to "lol I just use netflix"
02:11<jm_>yeah growisofs is just a different burning tool, FS is created by other tools
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02:16<twb>ha, cdrkit:doc/WHY
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02:19<jm_>good old times, but the feller actually replied nicely once to my brother for some problem
02:20<twb>schily?
02:21<jm_>yeah
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02:46<dan1>anyone had issues with jackd1 crashing? https://ncry.pt/p/qbBn#Vlcd9GHLP8IX8N7vlBRDJ2xQKt373P69cTRXFqV_Fgc
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02:50<jm_>try to get the stack trace and look in BTS
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03:10<dan1>so install gdb and run it in that?
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03:11<jm_>I guess
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04:32<django>I have a question, I have vps with debian 7.6 but in apt/source.list it shows squeeze and if I do lsb_release -a is show up as jessie
04:33<django>im confused
04:34<crane>can someone explain me what the state degraded in systemctl status means?
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04:38<jm_>django: check some core package versions, i.e. dpkg/libc6/...
04:38<petn-randall>crane: it's documented in the man page.
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04:40<crane>petn-randall: which man page? systemctl?
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04:46<jm_>if I run 'zgrep -i degraded /usr/share/man/**/*(.)' on jessie I get nothing :)
04:47<petn-randall>crane: yes
04:48<petn-randall>crane: search for "degraded" in there.
04:49<crane>petn-randall: yeah, err... nope :D
04:49<crane>I don't find anything inside there ;)
04:50<petn-randall>crane: Mine says "degraded │ The system is operational but one or more units failed."
04:50<crane>what are you running?
04:50<petn-randall>crane: Ah, it's not documented in the version in stable.
04:50<crane>lol
04:50<petn-randall>crane: I'm running testing.
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04:51<crane>in this case thx for catching me up ^^
04:52<petn-randall>crane: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemctl.html
04:53<petn-randall>crane: That's a more current man page of systemctl, where you can find the infos.
04:53<jm_>or simply look on manpages.debian.org
04:54<petn-randall>jm_: Ah cool, didn't know about that service.
04:55<jm_>petn-randall: the only shame is that the search is not more inteligent than apropos (so one could search for "degraded" and find it for example)
04:55<crane>jm_: but they will only show manpages for stable right?
04:55<jm_>crane: you can choose the version
04:55<crane>uh I see
04:55<crane>neat! :)
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05:09<virgosun>hi
05:11<virgosun>please help, after upgrade from Jessie to testing, audio not work for user but root....virgosun@GlobalTravelers:~$ aplay Noise.wav ALSA lib pcm_equal.c:236:(_snd_pcm_equal_open) Problem with control file .alsaequal.bin. aplay: main:722: audio open error: Operation not permitted
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05:20<join240j>Всем привет! может ктолибо помочь настроить OpenGl?
05:21<join240j>hello any one can help me witch OpenGL for debian 8?
05:23<babilen>What kind of help do you need?
05:24<join240j>i cant install it(
05:24<join240j>can i paste error?
05:24<join240j>glxinfo
05:24<join240j>?
05:24<babilen>Use http://paste.debian.net for pastes please
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05:26<join240j>glxinfo name of display: :0.0 Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on disp
05:26<join240j>that?
05:27<join240j>can help?
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05:27<virgosun>hi
05:27<babilen>Which graphic card do you have?
05:27<join240j>https://paste.debian.net/315463
05:28-!-mode/#debian [+l 743] by debhelper
05:28<join240j>no i have integrated card
05:28<babilen>So, intel?
05:28<join240j>yes
05:28<join240j>intel
05:28<babilen>That is a graphic card :)
05:28<virgosun>pls help after upgdare from jessie testing, sound stop work for user but root...
05:28<join240j>))
05:28<join240j>okay ))
05:29<join240j>but cant use OpenGL(((
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05:29<babilen>join240j: You have to install firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-glx
05:30<petn-randall>virgosun: You upgraded from where to where?
05:30<join240j>Intel Corpotation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphic & Display
05:30<babilen>join240j: libgl1-mesa-dri that is
05:31<join240j>wait i check))
05:31<babilen>dpkg: tell join240j -about non-free sources
05:31<babilen>dpkg: tell join240j -about jessie sources.list
05:31<join240j>in source list what need add?
05:31<virgosun>petn-randall: i upgrade from jessie to testing , and now it is sketch
05:32<petn-randall>virgosun: Then join #debian-next, where testing/sid are supported.
05:32<babilen>join240j: Our bot (dpkg) just send you a private message. Essentially make sure that entries in your sources.list end in "main contrib non-free" rather than "main" only
05:32<join240j>1
05:32<join240j>you private?
05:33<virgosun>oh, thanks you
05:33<babilen>join240j: No, please keep it in the channel
05:34<join240j>how private in pidgin client?((
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05:35<join240j>babilen: 1
05:35<babilen>join240j: It's okay, just make sure your sources.list contain "main contrib non-free" at the end of every entry, run "apt update" and "apt install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri"
05:35<babilen>brb
05:35<join240j>okay wait i try)))
05:36<join240j>but i think
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05:36<join240j>in soruce list that have
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05:40<join240j>babilen: what more need? Ooo
05:40<join240j>firmware install i am
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05:43<el_es>hi. can I ask someone about something related to libreoffice vs debian vs samba network share...
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05:44<Naughx>what is it?
05:44<el_es>Naughx: i run a mix of LO versions really,
05:44<el_es>some on XP, some on 7, and the latest debian on my workstation...
05:45<el_es>the windows versions have no problem opening any odX file
05:45<el_es>my debian version however has : asks me to recover the file every time I try to open it
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05:46<Naughx>could it have something to do with encoding?
05:47<el_es>do you mean, encoding of filenames ?
05:47<el_es>none of them is using any foreign characters
05:48<Naughx>well the actual document...
05:48<el_es>moreover, LO has no problem opening any old Word97 files on the same share
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05:49<el_es>and, if it's encoding how can I check that...?
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05:51<el_es>ok so for the sake of experiment, doing it now... opening an .ods file on XP using LO 4.0.0.3...
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05:53<jm_>virgosun: for testing ask in #debian-next as the topic mentions
05:53<el_es>that opened.
05:55<el_es>win xp properties on this file I don't see any notes on encoding...
05:56<jm_>el_es: did you check actual LO versions used?
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05:56<Naughx>okay... hmm... does the file opens if you transfer it with lets say a USB drive?
05:57<el_es>lukasz@george:~$ sudo apt-cache show libreoffice
05:57<el_es>[sudo] password for lukasz:
05:57<el_es>Package: libreoffice
05:57<el_es>Version: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1~bpo70+1
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05:58<jm_>you must not be aware that apt-cache can be used as non-root
05:58<el_es>sorry
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05:59<el_es>so apt-cache show libreoffice shows me actually 2 installed versions, oh.
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05:59<Naughx>maybe it cannot read the source file due to permission issues with the samba share.
05:59<jm_>check pin value to see which is installed or use dpkg -s
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06:00<Naughx>@el_es, no it is only one version: 4.3.3-2
06:00<Naughx>it is the latest
06:00<Naughx>on debian
06:00<jm_>ahh no forget about that, I was thiking of apt-cache policy
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06:00<jm_>there's 5.0 in backports
06:01<Naughx>stable version then. :P
06:01<el_es>Naughx: i have bpo archive added too
06:01<el_es>oh, boy ;) sorry let me parse that.
06:01<jm_>so like I said, use dpkg -s to see which one you use or Help -> About in LO itself
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06:02<el_es>the about says 4.3.3.2, build 430m0(Build:2)
06:03<el_es>if I copy the file to local disk... wait
06:03<jm_>so maybe try 5.0 from bpo or ask in #libreoffice on chat.freenode.net
06:03<astroburger>hi. i am dual booting a laptop with debian + windows. is there a way I can automount the windows ntfs partitions on boot?
06:03<el_es>oh. so it opens. :/ sorry :/
06:03<jm_>astroburger: sure, man fstab
06:04<el_es>so it is actually, samba oh L*(
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06:05<astroburger>jm_ the thing is, sometimes i used to be able to see the windows partitions in "nemo", but i dont see them. Earlier, I could see those and had to give the root password to mount
06:06<el_es>so, I use gnome-classic session...
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06:07<jm_>astroburger: hmm I am not familiar with any of DE-s or how to manage it there, I use fstab, wait for someone else to help with that
06:07<el_es>recently I noticed the samba client can't 'just' connect to the share, always asks for password - but if I do through 'connect to server->windows share' it does not, it connects, its read/write OK
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06:08<astroburger>jm_ Does debian by default contain the drivers to mount ntfs in read write?
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06:08<el_es>but, the odt recovery problem still happened before that too
06:08<astroburger>ok ok
06:09<Naughx>@astroburger ntfs-3g is installed by default.
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06:10<astroburger>Naughx: hm checked. it is installed
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06:11<Naughx>so just tell fstab to use ntfs-3g in the "filesystem" field
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06:11<astroburger>Is it good to mount them under /mnt or under /media?
06:12<Naughx>don't use mnt, create a new path
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06:12<jm_>astroburger: if you mean kernel based NTFS support then yes, but there's also FUSE based one
06:12<Naughx>lets say /windows or whatever.
06:13<el_es>how can I check if the fuse mount of windows share is interfering with opening of odX files ... ?
06:13<astroburger>i have like 3 partitions :|
06:13<platypus>hello! how do i set up a second NIC on debian 8?
06:13<Naughx>well you could use /mnt/partition1 /mnt/partition2 ...
06:13<jm_>platypus: how do you configure the first one?
06:13<astroburger>was thinking /mnt/disk1 /mnt/disk2 /mnt/disk3
06:13<astroburger>ok
06:13<Naughx>well that works too
06:14<jm_>el_es: wouldn't unmounting both and then only mounting only one be a valid test?
06:14<platypus>auto lo -- iface lo inet loopback
06:14<el_es>jm_: i only have fusectl in mount
06:14<el_es>jm_: it does not show the share mounted
06:15<astroburger>how to mount after updating fstab?
06:15<astroburger>mount -a?
06:15<platypus>@ jim when i cat interfaces: auto lo iface lo inet loopback
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06:15<el_es>jm_: only in nautilus/file manage
06:15<el_es>^manage
06:15<el_es>^manager
06:15<jm_>platypus: if you mean me, that's loopback only, what does 'ls /sys/class/net' show?
06:16<jm_>el_es: check /proc/mounts
06:16<platypus>@ jim i have eht0, eth1 and loop, eth1 is up and connected to internet
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06:16<platypus>i want to run a dhcp server on eth0
06:17<BreadBand>I know using "mixed distros" is not very popular and is not "the debian way" of doing things, but i'm considering wether or not to run jessie with apt-pinning to get some new packages or if running testing all the way on my desktop would be a better option? I prefer a stable system that dosn't change too much, but i need a few newer programs i can't live without
06:18<jm_>for crying out loud, the nick is jm_, not jim
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06:18<platypus>sry, jim_
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06:18<jm_>BreadBand: have you check if they are available in backports?
06:18*jm_ bangs head on desk
06:18<Naughx>@astroburger, according to the man page, it should do it
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06:18<el_es>jm_: /proc/mounts -> self/mounts ...
06:19<el_es>jm_: otherwise nothing
06:19<el_es>jm_: i did ls -l /proc/mounts and it only had that
06:19<jm_>el_es: cat /proc/mounts
06:19<el_es>jm_: offwwmmyff.. :)
06:20<el_es>jm_: same as invoking 'mount', only fusectl /sys/fs/fuse/connections fusectl rw,relatime 0 0
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06:20<BreadBand>jm_ yes some are but not all. I'll need newer versions of libreoffice witch might work from backport, but also QT5 and FileZilla (that isn't even in the testing-repos.. E.g eighter stable or sid)
06:20<el_es>jm_: and no line for the share/path/
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06:21<jm_>BreadBand: in that case either backport those yourself or use testing as you mentioned (I assume the reason is not just pure qt5 lib)
06:21<el_es>caja 1.8.1... oh right... MATE got mixed in.
06:22<el_es>anyway caja shows the share on the 'places' space, can mount/unmount
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06:23<jm_>el_es: are you sure this is not some virtual FS then, just shown in GUI tools?
06:23<platypus>could someone recommend a gui for network configuration in kde?
06:23<BreadBand>jm_ i don't know how to backport packages myself, i dont know programming. But testing sounds like a good alternative the only thing that bothers me there is FileZilla.. I must in that case use filezilla from sid, (i have tried also) and thats kinda buggy
06:23<jm_>!ssb
06:23<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
06:23<jm_>BreadBand: ^^^^^
06:23<jm_>BreadBand: but why specifically filezilla?
06:24<el_es>jm_: that may very well be :J
06:24<el_es>jm_: thanks for pointing that out...
06:24<BreadBand>jm_: i will read that. FileZilla is a client i've worked with alot even on windows systems so i'm familiar with it, and it supports key-based auth
06:25<themill>it's not like filezilla in jessie doesn't support that too
06:25<netman1>Hi All. Forwarding my debian jessie console guest from within vmware with console=ttyS0 to a named pipe, forwarding it again with socat pipename tcp-listen:9999, connect with telnet locahost 9999 and I got the installer, yeah! Only my keys dont work proper: enter, tab etc just do not work. What am I doing wrong?
06:25<jm_>BreadBand: lftp is excellt if you can make a switch to tty apps
06:26<jm_>excellent too
06:26<el_es>jm_: oh and I'm on wheezy 7.9 + bpo
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06:27<BreadBand>themill yes i never said othervise? But there are other software that are too old in jessi. jm_ i will check that out but i think a GUI is prefered since many users will use thar computer for FTP:ing. Some are more afraid for the black window than death
06:27<platypus>should the contents of /etc/interfaces.d and sys/class/net be the same?
06:28<Naughx>lftp or sftp?
06:28<Marillion>and you won't FTP, use webDAV, or SFTP
06:28<jm_>BreadBand: ok, just suggesting
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06:29<Naughx>@BreadBand, change the window color.
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06:29<BreadBand>Whats wrong with using ftp? Yes i know it's not very secure to run a ftpserver but i don't see why it would be a bad thing to upload/download things to ftp-servers
06:29<jm_>platypus: not always, anyway, if you want to run dhcp on eth0 then install a DHCP server and configure it accordingly
06:30<jm_>BreadBand: to entertain you some more -- http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
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06:30<Marillion>BreadBand: reduce the services if you can, and FTP only is unsecure itself
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06:32<platypus>@ jim_ i tried isc-dhcpd, didn't find where to select the NIC in the configuration files.
06:32<el_es>mmm i see I lack mount.cifs ...
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06:33<BreadBand>FTP encrypted with tls 1.2 vs sftp. To be honest i don't know which is best if security bothers but if speed does, i rather stick with ftp(e)s, i have tried both back in the days and it was just not possible to download big files as fast from my ssh-server than my ftp
06:33<jm_>platypus: I will stop helping you unless you start writing my nick properly - I only ever used dnsmasq for this purpose and configuring that one is trivial
06:33<Marillion>BreadBand: TLS is SFTP
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06:34<Marillion>BreadBand: the protocol is the same
06:35<Marillion>and TLS is new generation of SSHv2
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06:35<platypus>jm_, ok. i can't use dnsmasq - it says there is another service using the port, allthough the dnsmasq package isn't installed.
06:35<BreadBand>Ok, well still.. I have experience of much slower transfers with sftp vs ftps.. Dont know why, maybe it's another decryptionprocess that takes longer? Because with ftp ypu deal with certificates in another way
06:35<jm_>platypus: what's the exact error message?
06:35<Laibsch>themill: FWIW, user/PW over https works indeed
06:36<platypus>@ jm_ dnsmasq: failed to create listening socket for port 53: Address already in use.
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06:36<platypus>what tool is best to configure network-manager?
06:36<jm_>platypus: check with (as root) 'netstat -nap | grep 53'
06:37<platypus>@ jm_ 1036/dnsmasq
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06:38<jm_>platypus: heh so you have it running already ...
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06:39<platypus>@ jm_ so it should provide dhcp and dns service for both interfaces?
06:39<el_es>hah. so if I do mount by hand, it works
06:39<jm_>platypus: only if you configure it for that
06:39<el_es>i can open the files and it doesn't prompt to repair them
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06:40<BreadBand>I have another aspect why setting up a ftp-server might be more secure for novice users, specially if you run your server on a workstation or computer where you have stuff you don't wanna share. Because the user need to be chrooted into a specific dir, and chsh to bin/false etc, it's much easier to miss something or configure something wrong so you give a user r/w access to something you never
06:40<BreadBand>attended to
06:40<platypus>@ jm_ is it necessary to edit /etc/interfaces first?
06:41<BreadBand>and all warnings you keep reading everywhere that chrooting is a bad thing for security, this dosn't apply to sftp?
06:41<el_es>jm_: i just checked : i did mount //myserver/myshare /mnt/share -o guest then navigated to /mnt/share [using mc] and it opened the odt file no problem
06:41<el_es>jm_: so the fuse is the problem ? but how.
06:41<jm_>platypus: no, edit /etc/dnsmasq.conf and search for dhcp, lots of options
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06:42<jm_>(and "interface")
06:42<platypus>jm_ ok thx so far
06:43<el_es>jm_: [of course i did sudo mount -t cifs //myserver/myshare /mnt/share -o guest]
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06:43<el_es>jm_: looks like none of the gui tools is able to do this correctly :/
06:44<jm_>platypus: no problem
06:44<Marillion>BreadBand: chrooting is NOT a secure feature, you need capabilities too
06:44<platypus>@ jm_ that's the problem i don't find the configuration file for dnsmasq
06:45<jm_>el_es: I am not sure if it's FUSE if you don't see it in mount output, I thought FUSE mounts are seen there (not that I ever tried it)
06:45<jm_>platypus: are you using debian?
06:45<platypus>debian 8, yes
06:45<BreadBand>Marillion: Yes i keep reading that everywhere. But i never get any answers on how to make a ftp/sftp server securely chrooted. Because i dont want mu users to be able to browse the entire filesystem
06:46<el_es>jm_: could it be the way caja does it? Should I try to run in Gnome-proper session for Nautilus instead?
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06:47<jm_>then you can reinstall dnsmasq with dpkg -force-confmiss -i ...
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06:47<jm_>el_es: I have no idea, I never used either of those
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06:48<el_es>jm_: OK. thanks a lot anyway.
06:49<jm_>el_es: but it would be good to understand what exactly triggers 'recovery'
06:50<el_es>jm_: yeah...
06:50<el_es>jm_: do you maybe know where can I ask further? debian-oo seems abandoned...
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06:51<Marillion>BreadBand: you can chrooting with SFTP too, that isn't an argument
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06:52<jm_>el_es: have you tried the place I mentioned earlier -- or ask in #libreoffice on chat.freenode.net
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06:53<el_es>jm_: so i did a bit different now... i did sudo mount -t cifs /server/share /media/share -o guest
06:53<el_es>jm_: it then shows in caja mounts AND in /proc/mounts (it's not fuse)
06:53<el_es>jm_: but it can be easily navigated to by caja and the file opens without hassle
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06:54<jm_>el_es: yeah in that case it's a regular mount and fs access
06:54<BreadBand>Marillion: I know, but why would i do that if it's insecure? Or is it possible to chroot in a secure way? Let's say all sftp-users only has read-access
06:54<el_es>jm_: so the difference is I tell caja to mount through fuse, it fails to open odX files correctly then
06:55<el_es>^IF i tell caja^
06:55<jm_>el_es: tried doing fusermount by hand?
06:56<platypus>@ jm_ what's force-confmiss? Gives error: unknown option. Did you mean dpkg-reconfigure?
06:56<el_es>jm_: no that's new to me too :)
06:56<el_es>jm_: will try
06:57<Marillion>BreadBand: you talking about in cycle, do what you want.. i told ..reduce the services..., anyway
06:57<jm_>el_es: what exactly did you type?
06:57<jm_>el_es: sorry, wrong nick
06:57<jm_>platypus: what exactly did you type?
06:57<el_es>jm_: OK :)
06:58<BreadBand>Marillion: Ok thank you, english is not my first language so i might have missunderstood you but i'll just google it
06:58<platypus>'dpkg -force-confmiss -i'...
06:59<Marillion>BreadBand: english is not my native language too ;)
06:59<platypus>jm_ dpkg -force-confmiss -i
07:00<BreadBand>Marillion no but you don't seem to have that much difficulties to undrestand it anyways :)
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07:00<jm_>platypus: dpkg --force-confmiss -i /path/to/dnsmasq.deb
07:00<jm_>or simply purge and reinstall it normally
07:00<platypus>@jm_ sorry didn't find out what that line does, i'm not sure
07:01<netman1>Hi All. Forwarding my debian jessie console guest from within vmware with console=ttyS0 to a named pipe, forwarding it again with socat pipename tcp-listen:9999, connect with telnet locahost 9999 and I got the installer, yeah! Only my keys dont work proper: enter, tab etc just do not work. What am I doing wrong?
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07:01<platypus>@ jm_ and that won't interfere with networkmanager or other services?
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07:03<jm_>platypus: it reinstalls the dnsmasq package
07:03<el_es>jm_: my fusermount won't answer to non-sudo invocation...?
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07:03<el_es>jm_: is that intentional ?
07:03<platypus>@ jm_ nvm, thank you. I need to read the debian documentation on network again... it's somehow different from the settings i use...
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07:06<jm_>el_es: doesn't it have suid bit set?
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07:07<el_es>jm_: hmm it seems it has -rwsr-xr-- 1 root fuse 30152 May 21 07:35 /bin/fusermount
07:07<el_es>might my username be not in fuse group ???
07:08<el_es>hah it sure isn't
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07:08<jm_>el_es: you need to be in group fuse as documented in man mount.fuse
07:08<jm_>and other limitations are also listed there
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07:11<platypus>hi, another question: in debian 8 is it recommended to edit /etc/interfaces to set up you network properly or is there a frontend-tool / gui?
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07:11<el_es>jm_: this may be a stupid question, any way to make my current session know I added myself to a group...without logging out :) ?
07:12<jm_>el_es: yes, man newgrp sg
07:12<jm_>for new shell only but that should do for this case
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07:14<el_es>ah ok. so I have fuse group on the list ;)
07:15<el_es>and now fusermount responds :)
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07:17<el_es>jm_: fusermount: old style mounting not supported ?
07:18<jm_>el_es: I don't understand the question
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07:19<el_es>jm_: sorry. I added the share to /etc/fstab, and tried doing fusermount -o guest /my/mountpoint...
07:19<el_es>jm_: only fusermount won't....
07:19<jm_>el_es: it only uses /etc/fuse.conf I believe
07:20<el_es>jm_: oh... thanks
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07:30<el_es>jm_: sorry, i'm not even sure what am I loogking for... /etc/fuse.conf is not for describing fuse shares?
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07:32<jm_>el_es: no I think not
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07:35<el_es>jm_: so I do need to describe the share in /etc/fstab then...?
07:37<jm_>el_es: I was under the impression fuse doesn't honour /etc/fstab
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07:40<el_es>mmm found an article about gigolo and gvfs-fuse... by raphael herzog
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07:41<el_es>so using gigolo it does the same thing with ODx files
07:42<el_es>(but, that is without my gui knowing I am in fuse group now...)
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07:43<el_es>i think I brb
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07:46<el_es>jm_: it works !
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07:47<el_es>jm_: when re-logged in, my username in fuse group, the fuse gvfs connection does not mangle me odx files any more :)
07:48<el_es>jm_: i think I need to undo one change tho
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07:55<el_es>jm_: ok so... when FUSE is in use, I also have to do https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/26729/413-wont-open-files-over-the-network/ this
07:55<el_es>jm_: to be able to open files over fuse share
07:56<el_es>jm_: do you think this deserves to be reported somewhere?
07:58<jm_>el_es: I have no idea about that, maybe ask the maintainers first if someone hasn't done that already
07:58<el_es>ok... thanks :)
07:59<el_es>but the fuse advice was good, thank you :)
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07:59<jm_>no worries
08:00*el_es off to pester the libreoffice maintainers ;)
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08:28<user01>hi, when i boot into my system i see my desk monitor and my laptop monitor, when i log into xfce desk monitor disappears, and when i check arandr there is no DP1 device, only laptop screen -- is there a way to troubleshoot this?
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08:41<user01>hmmm when i restarted i noticed mismatch in ips_enabled (expected 1, found 0)
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09:11<alhdo>Hello everyone i m on Jessie how i can put shurcut on top bar
09:11<alhdo>please
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09:29<EmleyMoor>How can I see the serial numbers of my hard disks? They appear to be in an odd order on my system
09:29<abrotman>mdraid? hwraid? or just regular HDDs?
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09:32<EmleyMoor>Intended to end up mdraid in the end but not yet. Now I've found the problem - the one I intended to be sde has become sdb for some reason, pushing the intended sd[b-d] down to sd[c-e]
09:33<EmleyMoor>Why would that happen? Is it just the order of the connectors?
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09:33<dvs>EmleyMoor: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
09:34<EmleyMoor>dvs: No - that only lists the md? and dm-? devices
09:34<EmleyMoor>(four disks are "existing", other four new)
09:35<EmleyMoor>So, is this just a factor of the order of the SATA connectors on my motherboard?
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09:37<EmleyMoor>(I would have thought that was a simple enough question)
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09:42<abrotman>udev can make it consistent
09:44<EmleyMoor>abrotman: Oh well, never mind for this time.
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10:03<stevenm_>Hey... imagine debian 7 booting... "init: version 2.88 booting".... "waiting for /dev/ to be fully populated...done.".... "setting parameters of disc: (none)" and then imagine it just pauses
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10:04<stevenm_>if you press enter on your keyboard then it'll continue on... "Activating swap...done.".... "Checking root file system...fsck from util-linux 2.20.1"... etc ... etc ...
10:04<stevenm_>it only occurs when serial is used (i.e. /etc/default/grub has GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="console=ttyS0,115200")
10:04*EmleyMoor is now in the middle of expanding his RAID arrays
10:05*markybob sings imagine all the people
10:05<stevenm_>any ideas what might be between "setting parameters of disc: (none)" and "activating swap" that might need an enter being hit? (which doesn't work over serial - only via a real key press)
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10:13<EmleyMoor>It's going to take ages before I can start changing the rest of my disks
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11:29<thy_pope>hello people, is there anything beside Gparted that can resize an Ext3 partition?
11:30<PovAddict>thy_pope: well there is 'parted' which provides pretty much the same functionality but on the command line
11:30<thy_pope>well, I would have to have a Linux installation, I assume
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11:30<thy_pope>I need something boot cd, live cd or a Windows program
11:30<PovAddict>are you on windows now or what?
11:30<PovAddict>ah, there is a gparted-live
11:31<thy_pope>told you, gparted doesn't run
11:31<thy_pope>I mean I asked for something else
11:31<thy_pope>gparted goes kernel panic
11:31<thy_pope>...even in failsafe mode
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11:45<user01>ok so when i log into xfce as root i see the external display, when i login as user i do not see the external display
11:46<user01>i have a laptop with an external display
11:46<user01>i dont see it in arandr
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11:48<user01>maybe i should try a system reinstall
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12:05<hans>good evning
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12:05<hans>im a new user
12:05<greger>quit
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12:05<greger>hi hans
12:06<hans>must i install something after the install
12:06<petn-randall>greger: Are you looking for /quit?
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12:06<petn-randall>!ask hans
12:06<petn-randall>!ask
12:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:07<petn-randall>hans: Feel free to ask if you have any problem with your installation. If you have, make sure to provide enough context for us to understand the problem (see dpkg's message above).
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12:07<hans>is there a after install tutorial like ubuntu
12:07<petn-randall>hans: To do what?
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12:08<greger>hello all
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12:08<hans>like media codecs
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12:08<hans>flash and that stuff
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12:09<petn-randall>hans: I usually don't add any 3rd party repos on my installation. The multimedia codecs cover pretty much everything.
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12:09<PovAddict>hans: for what web browser?
12:09<petn-randall>hans: Well, if you need something, install it. Do you want to install flash on your system?
12:09<hans>i have still ice weasel
12:09<petn-randall>(I don't have flash installed, don't need it)
12:09<PovAddict>hans: don't go to install "media codecs" until you actually find a video that won't play :P
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12:10<hans>thx for the tips
12:10<hans>till now it run fantastic
12:10<PovAddict>to get flash install the "flashplugin-nonfree" package
12:11<hans>i must only find a new way to install programs
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12:11<petn-randall>hans: What's wrong with the old way?
12:11<hans>old way is ubuntu or manjaro
12:12<PovAddict>ubuntu and debian have the same package manager
12:12<PovAddict>what were you using in ubuntu to install things?
12:12<hans>sudo apt-get install
12:12<PovAddict>same in debian
12:12<hans>ok
12:12<hans>i will try
12:13<hans>sudo not found
12:13<hans>i must install it first
12:13<hans>su
12:13<PovAddict>ah yes debian is not configured with sudo by default
12:13<hans>ok su then hihihi
12:13<PovAddict>unless you told it to during installation
12:14<hans>thats do the trick
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12:15<blawiz>"claws-mail-spam-report : Depends: claws-mail (<= 3.8.2~) but 3.10.1-2~bpo70+1 is to be installed""
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12:17<petn-randall>hans, PovAddict, Debian doesn't install sudo when you set a password for root.
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12:23<blawiz>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9974176/pastebin.txt AFAIK i dont have broken packages, and 3.10 is bigger than 3.8 eh?
12:24<petn-randall>!bat
12:24<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
12:24<petn-randall>blawiz: ^^^^
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12:27<blawiz>petn-randall, updated https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9974176/pastebin.txt :]
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12:33<petn-randall>blawiz: Try adding '-t wheezy-backports'. You've got claws-mail from backports installed, but you were asking apt-get to install claws-mail-spam-report from wheezy.
12:34<blawiz>backports means older?
12:34<petn-randall>blawiz: Backports means newer.
12:35<blawiz>looks like its working :)
12:35<petn-randall>blawiz: backports are packages that were backported from the next stable release.
12:35<blawiz>petn-randall, so i didnt install crawl-mail with apt-get install crawls-mail?
12:35<petn-randall>(or even testing branch)
12:35<blawiz>(its a while since i installed it)
12:35<grummund>Hi, could someone recommend a package for merging video clips (command line is okay) ?
12:36<petn-randall>blawiz: Yes, it looks like you explicitely asked for the backports version.
12:36<grummund>google suggests mencoder but i can't see it in debian
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12:37<blawiz>petn-randall, hmm i wonder why ;P
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13:38<dydx>hello! I am runnign a debian jessie server to host a website and I need some help beginning to figure out whats wrong. Periodically I can no longer access the website or ssh into the machine so I go downstairs and restart the machine and everything is fine. This used to happen once every couple months or so, but now its happening once every 2-3 days. I have all of the latest updates on there. **What should I check/do to figure out whats wrong?**
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13:40<somiaj>dydx: start checking various logs in /var/log, identify the approximate time it crashed/went down and see if the logs give any clue.
13:41<somiaj>dydx: also you may want to check that it is the server crashing vs the network droping. If the network on the server drops all network (including ssh) will fail.
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13:41<jhutchins>dydx: Also worthwhile determining the actual state of the machine when it becomes unreachable. Can you log in to the console? What do diagnostic tools tell you? Can you just restart the services? Is networking what's down?
13:41<dydx>well it is connected to a university network directly to the wall and no one else is reporting network issues so I think the problem is internal
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13:42<jhutchins>dydx: Or it's plugged into the one port on the switch that's failing.
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13:42<lindi->dydx: does it respond to keyboard?
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13:43<dydx>I dont know I dont have a monitor plugged in. Ill go check plug a keyboard/monitor in now
13:43<madez>I'm using Debian Jessie and I need to unlock multiple luks devices before mounting root. For entries in /etc/crypttab I get prompts for passwords early in the boot process. However, if root is on one of the luks devices in /etc/crypttab, the boot process fails, so my understanding is that the unlocking needs to happen before /etc/crypttab is available. Any ideas?
13:43<dydx>and then begin to check the logs. If not, Ill have to restart and check logs
13:44<dydx>Ill report back here thanks everyone!
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13:50<madez>Let me rephrase the last part: ... so my understand is that entries in /etc/cryptsetup on their own are not sufficient for unlocking before mounting root.
13:52<madez>*/etc/crypttab
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14:05<madez>The debian-installer can prepare the initramfs in such a way that root can be encrypted. Is there a way to do this retroactively and for multiple partitions?
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14:12<lindi->madez: update-initramfs regenerates the initramfs every time you e.g. update your kernel, nothing special in debian installer I think
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14:17<madez>lindi-, maybe there is another place than /etc/crypttab to specify what luks devices must be opened for root to become available. Maybe the kernel cmdline? I don't know.
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14:27<chandra>Greetings. I'm new to Debian, any tips on a good site where I can do some reading about it? Tips and tricks, and stuff like that =)
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14:30<chandra>...and I'm using gnome =)
14:31<musca>hello chandra
14:31<chandra>hi musca
14:32<musca>!handbook
14:32<dpkg>The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>.
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14:33<chandra>Thanks! =D
14:33<musca>/msg dpkg docs
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14:36<chandra>wow! Almost 500 pages.
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14:40<musca>,info gnome-getting-started-docs
14:40<judd>Package gnome-getting-started-docs (doc, optional) in jessie/amd64: Help a new user get started in GNOME. Version: 3.14.1-1; Size: 125303.5k; Installed: 178724k; Homepage: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-getting-started-docs/
14:41<musca>chandra: gnome-getting-started-docs even comes with video guides
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14:42<musca>Size: 125303.5k; Installed: 178724k
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14:47<chandra>musca, thanks, much apprichiated =)
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14:48<dydx>hello all! I went back and plugged in a keyboard/monitor but they were not registering. Not even a the light went on on the keyboard. I restarted and looked at the logs but honestly without knowing where/what to look for I didnt find anything.
14:48<blast007>dydx: was it a USB keyboard?
14:48<dydx>yes
14:49<dydx>and VGA monitor
14:49<blast007>k, then sounds like it probably was froze up
14:50<dydx>yeah but it seems to be happening more and more frequently. Trying to figure out what could be the cause?
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14:52<dydx>it used to happen just once every 3 months and now its up to 2-3 times a week
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15:00<dydx>any ideas on waht to check?
15:01<madez>dydx, from an external machine run "dmesg -w"
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15:01<madez>so, when the freeze up happens, you will have the latest kernel logs.
15:02<madez>as the machine freezes, it is probably kernel or hardware/firmware related.
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15:02<dydx>ok thanks Ill try that!
15:03<madez>dydx, "from an externaml machine" = "ssh from another machine into the server and then execute dmesg -w on the server from within the ssh session".
15:03<dydx>got it
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15:07<madez>Back to my question. I read (https://kiza.eu/journal/entry/697) about a bug with systemd preventing what I'm planing to do. Anybody any idea?
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15:32<DerAndere>I have found and read https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/#copyright-field
15:32<DerAndere>But is there a formal specification of that format?
15:33<DerAndere>I simply don't understand why lintian is complaining about simple lines like:
15:33<DerAndere>Copyright 2008, 2013 Meitar Moscovitz <meitarm@gmail.com>
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16:33<der>hi
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16:34<der>I'm struggling with bluetooth in debian 8
16:34<der>I'm using hp pavilion 6500
16:34<der>I can't enable it
16:36<der>any suggestions ?
16:36<der>how to identify if my laptop has bluetooth function
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16:50<der>noone?
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16:52<musca>der: hello
16:52<der>hi
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16:53<musca>der: you can list your hardware with lspci and lsusb
16:53<der>in lsusb there is no bluetooth
16:54<der>rfkill also doesnt show any bluetooth
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16:55<musca>der: what about lspci?
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16:57<der>I'm afraid,no
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17:00<der>any other suggestions musca /
17:00<der>?
17:01<scor>want a suggestion of what? :)
17:01<der>for some reason,debian doesn't regognize the bluetooth
17:01<der>recognize
17:02<der>in systemctl seems that it is running fine
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17:02<musca>well, some vendors have combined wifi + bluetooth chips
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17:03<der>that means that I can't enable it?
17:03<musca>perhaps you need additional firmware to enable the default driver to find your bluetooth.
17:03<musca>lspci -nn | grep -i net
17:04<der>nothing referring to bluetooth...
17:04<der>only ethernet and pro/wirelless
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17:05<musca>please copy the line for wireless here
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17:05<der>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection [8086:4222] (rev 02)
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17:11<musca>der: does your device have a hotkey to switch on wifi and/or Bluetooth?
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17:12<der>hmm,no
17:12<der>I assume
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17:13<der>admittedly,the hotkeys are not working.I'm using hp pavilion 6500
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17:16<der>hcitool dev doesn't list any devices
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17:17<der>but i found some refers in lsmod | grep -i blue
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17:37<blu>Hi Guys. I read up on distributed Filesystems for two Servers. I want to server PHP on two Nodes (with Apache and so on). So far I used NFS. Also running Gluster for a slightly bigger Setup. Now I have a project with exactly two Servers, where I dont want to use the native Gluster as its deadly slow.. (its internal NFS however is nice). So I thought I would have a NFS Server on alpha, omega mounting /var/www from it. Omega also rsyncs /v
17:37<blu>ar/www to /mnt/www periodicly. Omega checks if /var/www works, and if it doesnt for 10 Seconds STONITHS Alpha, and mounts the /mnt/www disk to /var/www. Rest is Handwork. Is that to hacky?
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17:39<blu>I've seen so many simple NFS Server - Client Setups.. I've also run DRBD + OCFS2 with Corosync/Pacemaker and hated it.. ;) So I dont want to go there again.. In general I'd like to ask your opinion on just scripting this kind of super simple NFS Failover Setup.
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17:41<matu>Hi, i have a problem with my Debian, i just installed Debian into a new computer (x200) because some people have stolen my computer, then I installed the linux-headers and two version of GCC
17:41<blu>(btw is my question better for debian-offtopic?)
17:42<matu>i am currently trying to install and use vmplayer, but it does not work, it worked like a charm on my thinkpad x201, when i try to install vmplayer it tells me it can not be installed while kvm is running, so i used "rmmod kvm intel-kvm" in order to unload it, it seems to install vmplayer correctly but at the end of the process it ask me for the linux-headers that i have already installed
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17:43<matu>when i point on the correct directory it say the C headers are not installed for the version of my kernel
17:43<matu>-on+into
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17:44<matu>please help me
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17:55<thom540>Thanks markybob
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18:06<madez>I have solved my problem. An executable script placed in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/ before executing "update-initramfs -u" will be executed before mounting root. Thus it is possible to unlock multiple devices before mounting root.
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18:35<Vlado>Hello guys, can someone help me with logging in as root ? I just installed Debian 8 on my laptop and i can't log in into it now, it asks for username and password, I type the ones which i've installed debian with, and i still can't log in... Is there a way i can change or see the root password ?
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18:40<babilen>dpkg: ifrp
18:40<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
18:41<Raku>When i installed debian on my server i couldnt find a way to get the installer to partition any differently than 10 gigs to / and the rest (490) to /home, i left it to tddeal with it later, and now i'm at a point that i can't even tab complete stuff due to insufficient space, what would be my best way of reapportioning it without having to do a reinstall?
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18:45<somiaj>Raku: there are tools you can use to resize partitions and filesystems. You could do this from a live system. But you could shrink your big file system, followed by the partition, then grow your small partition and then the file system. It is always recomended you backup before doing such operations
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18:46<Raku>I was thinking live as well
18:46<Raku>I already have a stick with Linux mint on it, could I use the partition manager on that to do it?
18:47<babilen>sure
18:47<Raku>Alright, i guess I'll give it a go
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18:51<babilen>Raku: http://gparted.org/livecd.php is a nice live cd for that, but you can naturally use any
18:52<Raku>Ah, that's even better
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18:55<Raku>I guess now i just have to figure out how much space to give it instead of 10
18:55<Raku>I imagine i won't fill up /home too fast so i guess i could give it 100 without any issues
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18:58<somiaj>Raku: did you use LVM or not? And depending on your ussage you should be fine.
18:58<Raku>I don't think i used lvm
18:58<somiaj>Raku: note after your software, /var is where most of the stuff usually is
18:58<somiaj>Raku: just making sure, this is suposelly far easier with an LVM setup
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20:13<twb>Hey re UDF creation yesterday, I notice that upstream schily mkisofs manpage doesn't say "UDF support is alpha status"
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20:16<Raku>This was probably an oversight, but i have a raid setup, which one would i be trying to edit in gparted?
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20:16<twb>Raku: I'm not sure by "which one"
20:17<Raku>Yep, gimme a couple seconds here i'm getting a screenshot of what i have
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20:17<twb>Raku: is the raid managed by linux (mdadm/mdraid) or is it non-Free raid?
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20:17<Raku>I think it's managed by mdadm
20:17<twb>If you run "parted /dev/sda print" (for each disk) you can pastebin it instead, which is probably easier for me.
20:18<twb>Also pastebin /proc/mdstat
20:19<Raku>Hmm, might not be able to do any of that apparently
20:19<Raku>Having trouble getting internet in this live session
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20:21<marce>hola a todos
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20:21<twb>Raku: does /proc/mdstat exist?
20:21<Raku>I'm in the gparted livecd on the machine right now so i'll have to reboot to grab that
20:22<twb>http://sprunge.us/PESa
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20:23<twb>Raku: what are you actually trying to do?
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20:23<Raku>My server has / with 10 GB and /home with 490 so i'm out of space
20:23<twb>Did you use LVM?
20:23<Raku>So i'm trying to repartition it so / has 100 and /home has 400
20:23<Raku>I don't believe so
20:24<twb>oh dear
20:24<twb>Well I can help you with the ext4 shrinking, but I'm not sure how to do the other bit
20:24<twb>cdrtools-3.01/CONTRIBUTING just says "you can send me patches", sigh.
20:25<Raku>I'm just gunna reboot back in to the system and grab that file's output real quick for you
20:25<twb>Raku: OK but I probably can't help much more
20:26<twb>Raku: get /proc/partitions as well while you're at it
20:26<Raku>Will do
20:26<twb>And blkid and /proc/mounts
20:26<Raku>I'm going to try to get this screenshot up real quick
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20:27<Raku>Gah, the browser in the livecd is very barebones, it'd be easier to take an actual picture
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20:30<Raku>This server is very odd, it always insists it has a floppy drive but none exists...
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20:35<Raku>This is /proc/mdstat https://i.imgur.com/dACJwt8.png this is this is the parted /dev/sdx print https://i.imgur.com/gwhyuz1.png
20:35<twb>Insists where?
20:35<Raku>Hmm, i might not have a raid
20:35<Raku>I know theres 4 HDDs in the thing
20:35<twb>That strongly suggests you are only using the first disk
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20:35<Raku>But i never got around to setting up the raid, but i noticed it said it was starting it up
20:35<Raku>Ya
20:35<Raku>That's what i'm getting from that as well
20:35<twb>It is possible, but unlikely, that you are using the *entire* second/third disk as RAID elements
20:36<Raku>In part of the boot messages it shows it initializing the raid which is what lead me to believe one was set up even though i hadn't done so personally previously
20:36<twb>So what I would do is this: create new RAID array(s) on disks 2-4. Copy the data across from disk 1. Unplug disk 1 and get it to boot again. Plug in disk 1 and add it to the RAID array(s).
20:37<Raku>I don't really care either way
20:37<Raku>At this point i just would like / to have more than 10 GB cause i can't actually tab complete things at this point due to insufficient space
20:38<twb>Next time, set up LVM and only allocate what you need, so when you run out of space, you can give it a little mode from the free area.
20:38<twb>Or use ZFS / btrfs which provide the same functionality
20:39<twb>As for now: you ought to be able to resize the filesystem & partitions on /dev/sda to just give more space to the root filesystem.
20:39<Raku>Well the installer was being rather stubborn
20:39<twb>I would also just look for unnecessary content on /dev/sda1 as well. du -hx / | sort -hr | less, or du -x / | xdu
20:39<Raku>I couldn't get it to do anything other than 10 gigs to / and the rest to /home
20:39<MAL->Hi, Is there a way to rename the volume ID on the Debian live CD ISO? I used a script which renamed it in the iso file and isoinfo can confirm the change but when I cp the file to my USB key the drive name still comes up as Debian jessie 20... I'd like to change it so it matches my other drives.
20:39<twb>Raku: e.g. probably "apt-get clean" will give some space back, also if old system you probably have many obsolete kernels
20:40<twb>each being about 150MB
20:40<Raku>Its not that old
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20:40<Raku>It's freshly installed as of a couple months ago
20:40<twb>MAL-: which volume ID do you mean?
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20:41<gpled>hello?
20:41<MAL->twb: basically the drive label or volume label/ID that comes up when I mount the Debian Live CD on my USB key
20:41<twb>MAL-: you mean the filesystem label in the ISO9660 metadata?
20:41<MAL->twb: it's possible
20:41<twb>MAL-: did you write the .iso directly to the USB key? Or it is a file inside (say) a FAT filesystem on the USB key
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20:41<MAL->twb: it's written to the usb key using cp (so bootable)
20:42<twb>gpled: how can we help?
20:42<twb>MAL-: OK, so the problem you are having is that it is isohybrid
20:42<twb>MAL-: which means it's both iso9660 and... something else, maybe FAT
20:42<twb>MAL-: when you use it as a USB key, the "something else" metadata is what is read
20:42<gpled>having trouble with web pages that have korean fonts. any ideal how to get this fixed?
20:42<twb>MAL-: I'm not sure how to go about editing it; I know how to change it when you make the .iso originally
20:43<twb>gpled: what korean fonts have you installed?
20:43<twb>gpled: what browser are you using?
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20:44<MAL->twb: if I can change it in the iso then that would be fine but I'm not sure if it's in a file or if I need a special tool to be able to read it, gparted didn't work and gnome's disks didn't work either.
20:44<twb>gpled: you should have installs fonts-nanum and fonts-nanum-coding
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20:44<twb>MAL-: please run blkid on the USB key and tell me what you get
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20:45<twb>also if possible "udevadm info"
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20:46<MAL->twb: /dev/sdc1: UUID="2015-09-08-21-02-36-00" LABEL="Debian jessie 20" TYPE="iso9660" PTUUID="3c4e579c" PTTYPE="dos" PARTUUID="000b32bc-01"
20:47<MAL->twb: it's the label I'd like to change
20:47<twb>Interesting
20:47<Raku>The only thing that throws me off in all this is gparted shows a drive called "/dev/mapper/isw_ecghciijgg_ARRAY0" with 91.52 GiB, and i am almost 100% certain there is no 1 tb drive in the machine so i'm lost as to what it is
20:48<twb>MAL-: I see it is /dev/sdc1; I expected /dev/sdc
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20:48<gpled>from synaptic i have iceweasel-l10n-ko
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20:48<twb>MAL-: did you do "cp foo.iso /dev/sdc" or "cp foo.iso /dev/sdc1"
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20:48<MAL->twb: I have a few partitions on the USB key, I copied to sdc1
20:48<twb>gpled: that is not fonts, only translation
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20:48<gpled>k
20:49<gpled>so nanum
20:49<twb>gpled: please install fonts-nanum & restart browser. Is it fixed?
20:49<gpled>brb
20:49<MAL->twb: sdc is /dev/sdc: PTUUID="000b32bc" PTTYPE="dos"
20:49<twb>gpled: if you need hanja you must also install a chinese font, I think. For example wqy-microhei
20:50<Raku>Ah, internet is back, not sure what happend there
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20:51<Raku>Here's what gparted looks like https://i.imgur.com/LpP0yHd.jpg
20:54<twb>Raku: OK so what is problem?
20:54<Raku>Nothing so far
20:54<Raku>I dropped /dev/sda6 abnd then resized /dev/sda2
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20:55<Raku>Now i have 90ish GiB of unallocated space
20:55<dvs>Raku: Why would you drop sdb6 if there is data on it?
20:55<dvs>sda6 sorr
20:55<twb>I think that must be an old gparted
20:55<Raku>By drop i meant resize, appologies
20:55<twb>In CLI parted I do not see the sda2 you see, IIRC
20:55<twb>It only shows the "real" partitions
20:56<twb>But I might be forgetting, because I do not normally use extended partitions in dos disk labels :-)
20:56<Raku>Hm, i'm having trouble getting sda1 to use the unallocated space
20:57<gpled>twb: works now. thank you
20:57<twb>gpled: yay!
20:57<twb>gpled: this information is in the tasks-korean* packages in aptitude/synaptic
20:59<Raku>http://i.imgur.com/KjdCqqA.jpg
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20:59<Raku>This is where i'm at so far
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21:00<dvs>Raku: Undo what you did, reduce and move sda6, move sda5, reduce sda2, then increase sda1
21:01<Raku>Where am i moving sda6?
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21:01<dvs>Raku: To the end of the drive
21:01<twb>how old is this parted?
21:01<Raku>Alright, i'll give it a go
21:01<twb>what version does it say it is
21:02<Raku>I would say i'd imagine not too old
21:02<Raku>as it's the latest livecd iso
21:02<Raku>But i wouldn't be suprised if it was
21:02<twb>Ohhhh because it's not LVM, you can't just have some of the rootfs at the start and some at the end.
21:02<twb>UGH.
21:03<twb>This is the point where I would just buy a new disk and provision it nicely, then move all the data across
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21:03<Raku>Aha!
21:03<Raku>dvs: That did it
21:03<Raku>Thanks a tan :D
21:03<Raku>ton*
21:03<dvs>No prob.
21:04<Raku>Here goes nothing i guess
21:04<Raku>Oh, it's gparted 0.23.0
21:04<Raku>That's the newest one, so
21:05<twb>okey dokey
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21:06<Raku>Time to take a nap now or something lol
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21:15<twb>Rrrr. So I don't use a GUI browser much, so I am still using a midori from back when I was the midori maintainer.
21:15<Raku>Looks like it worked
21:15<Raku>Wohooo
21:16<twb>Some jessie security update in the last month means that now, midori segfaults on malloc failures randomly whenever I hit a page it doesn't like
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21:17<twb>So now I have to either learn how to drive the newer midori (the hit-a-hint stuff changed completely), or actually learn how do drive one of the suckless-style webkit frontends
21:17<twb>uzbl / surf, I mean
21:17<Raku>Yay tab complete and stuff works
21:19<twb>Seriously? surf has a hard dependency on a terminal emulator.
21:19<twb>Not even *any* terminal emulator, but their specific terminal emulator.
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21:26<greger>hi all
21:27<greger>+i
21:27<greger>-i
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21:29<twb>Hrmh, I just got the same malloc issue from surf, so the problem is PROBABLY in webkitgtk rather than midori itself
21:29<twb>IOW I'm probably screwed
21:31<twb>...or I could just apply this pending update here and try again
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21:34<qxt>I'm setting up a Apache2 server with Event MPM + FastCGI + PHP5-FPM. For some reason I can not find libapache2-mod-fastcgi in the repos. Since Apache 2.4 MPM event is the way to go for big traffic.
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21:36<qxt>Not sure how to tie php5-fpm without fastcgi...
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21:37<qxt>This server should be able to keep up with 15k users at once. MPM prefork is not gonna cut it
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21:37<twb>Is it libapache2-mod-fcgid ?
21:37<qxt>yeah
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21:38<twb>you quoted -fastcgi which doesn't sound right to me (fuzzy, old) memory
21:38<qxt>but IIRC since 2.4 that should be part of apache
21:38<qxt>Called FastCGI
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21:41<twb>Yeah OK, applying that webkit* upgrade fixed my malloc problem I think, so you can all stop looking
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21:43<qxt>If there is one thing Debian is good at is being a solid server. Doing that I am doing if I use mpm_event and PHP-FPM using ProxyPass (to bridge FastCGI) this set up should be faster under load then nginx with about the same resources. Beside I like Apache
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21:46<qxt>... emmm why is libapache2-mod-fcgid under non-free ?
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22:11<twb>it is?
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22:12<twb>qxt: I assume you've already done the usual things, like punting all the static content to a separate non-PHP httpd
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22:17<qxt>twb, yup. All the php stuff is stuffed into a Unix socket that sends it off to a php-fpm server. Static stuff is separate. I installed that mod and it works just fine now. Thing is I hate to use non-free repos. Wonder if there is something else I can use then FastCGI
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