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00:50<misterhat>hi gustavo
00:50<gustavo>hi miterhat
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01:16<asdffff>you wanna do it?
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01:27<bibo_>hello ereryone
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01:29<bibo_>there is a problem with intel hd graphics 5500 driver, anyone can help for me?
01:31<somiaj>You may want to provide more info. What version of debian are you running, what problems are you having with the driver?
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01:48<asdffff>so how do i get a dymanic ip when the provide is a fucking idiot?
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02:13<Guest5091>cles wep ?
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03:19<rtheys> Hi, I'm trying to preseed a jessie install and have the following line in the preseed file (taken from my wheezy install)
03:19<rtheys>tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard
03:19<rtheys>but the installer has installed the desktop task as well
03:19<rtheys>are there any changes regarding preseeding since jessie?
03:20<rtheys>when I run debconf-get-selections --installer on the installed system it returns
03:20<rtheys>unknown tasksel/first multiselect Debian desktop environment, print server, standard system utilities
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03:20<somiaj>rtheys: I don't know of any documentation, but tasksel has changed alot for the desktop. There is a desktop task and then the which actual desktop sub-task and I'm unusre how these are now used in a preseed. But the desktop task seems to be stuck on as default and needs to be explicity turned off even if you don't select any of the subdesktop tasks
03:22<rtheys>how do I explicitly turn it off?
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03:23<somiaj>rtheys: unsure here as I don't use preseeds, but I would figure out the preseed and make sure you toggle it as no
03:23<somiaj>rtheys: can't really be of much more help than my vague understanding of how the tasksel part of the installer has changed.
03:24<rtheys>From what I understand not listing it in the tasksel/first should have it turned off. This worked in wheezy
03:24<somiaj>rtheys: you could also just not run tasksel, and install the standard tasks with some custom script after, though I guess you would want ssh. Could probabaly just add those to an install list over using tasksel though.
03:24<somiaj>rtheys: there was a change in how the wheezy installer and jessie isntaller deal with multiple desktops. Hence what I think the difference is and the preseend needs to be modified it sounds like.
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03:25<rtheys>Strange that all documentation about preseeding jessie does not mention any changes regarding this vs wheezy
03:26<somiaj>rtheys: I could be wrong. I am just describing the difference I see in tasksel during an instalation. Unsure how this effects the preseed info.
03:26<somiaj>rtheys: taht is all I could find. Not sure if it will be of much help
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03:27<rtheys>The line mentioned on that site is the one I'm using but it seems to be ignored
03:27<somiaj>rtheys: also is this with the 8-2 isntaller. I did see someone else here say they had a desktop automatically installed even though they ddin't select it. Unsure if this is related or not and I haven't searched for any bugs.
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03:27<somiaj>rtheys: do you happen to have say the 8-1 installer and see if that makes a difference, then at least you have a bug to report.
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03:27<rtheys>I will check that. good idea
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03:37<abrotman>Hrm ...
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03:46<brother->Ganneff: hi! since last Saturday your emacs-snapshot archive Release file is outdated. Looks like the files are not very up to date either but that part does not produce a warning and isn't in your face annoying. just a heads up if you haven't been poked about it. thnx
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03:52<rtheys>somiaj: I've updated the installer to 8.2 and that does indeed fix the problem. Thanks for your help
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04:25<android>Oops. Hi Guys, Thank You for this wonderful operating system!
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04:26<android>Just got it installed on my Android mobile. Running off that now. Thanks to meefik @ Linux Deploy
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04:38<guillaume_alloxrinfo>i went to #debianppc a few times but there seem to have no activity. I"m searching for someone who could provide me a link of a Debian release for PPC it's for a Power5 ibm (v5r4 i think)
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04:40<jm_>start here to see if your system is supported , Downloading Files from Debian Mirrors chapter has a link to downloads
04:41<guillaume_alloxrinfo>thanks a lot jm
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04:42<jm_>no worries
04:43<guillaume_alloxrinfo>"powerpc64 Newer IBM systems using POWER5, POWER6, and POWER7 processors. " so yes
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04:49<guillaume_alloxrinfo>jm_, so i found a link in the debian mirrors section but i don't understand why the files are so small in there ? is it the whole release ?
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04:52<jm_>not sure which is correct
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04:55<guillaume_alloxrinfo>i guess powerpc64 would be the correct one, i guess that this is the last version, maybe i should try something older like the server
04:56<jm_>those are netboot/disk boot images
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04:56<jm_>and the links are for debian stable
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04:56<jm_>(those meaning the ones the document links to, not the ones I pasted here)
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04:57<guillaume_alloxrinfo>but in the document it shows that my kernel would be powerpc64 not pp64el or powerpc
04:57<guillaume_alloxrinfo>i can find a tree with all the links you gave me ?
04:58<jm_>I don't know what you are asking for
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05:02<guillaume_alloxrinfo>my bad, the correct kernel flavor is power64 i'm searching for this one
05:04<guillaume_alloxrinfo>ok so this should he right one Let's say i'd like to get the older release for powerpc how i can find the link like you did ?
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05:05<jm_>older version of debian or what?
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05:06<jm_>i'll be back in 30-40 minutes
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05:12<guillaume_alloxrinfo>yes of debian, just in case, but thank you already jm_
05:12<EmleyMoor>Another night gone and still no effective progress on my RAID reshape...
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05:14<EmleyMoor>Current estimated finish in roughly 632 millennia (!)
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05:22<maferv>will squeeze work on a ARMv6 with instructions: swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp java ?
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05:37<EmleyMoor>Anything I can do to get this thing into meaningful progress?
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05:49<jm_>guillaume_alloxrinfo:, you really should try 8.x first
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06:45<guillaume_alloxrinfo>ok i'll do thanks a lot jm
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06:45<jm_>no problem
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06:49<guillaume_alloxrinfo>jm_, by any chance do you have any knowledge regarding the installation on power servers from IBM ?
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06:50<jm_>guillaume_alloxrinfo: nope
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08:05<Gerowen>Is there an "IcedTea" plugin for OpenJDK 8 since OpenJDK 8 is in the repos? I don't see an updated "icedtea-plugin".
08:06<Gerowen>Running Debian stable.
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08:11<jm_>it's only in bpo so maybe icedtea will come too, or else check/ask on bpo mailing list
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08:20<EmleyMoor>If I have a RAID 6 reshape "running" but making little progress, can I disable bitmaps on it and will it help?
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08:27<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: IIRC you can't turn off bitmaps if there is a reshaping in place.
08:27<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Reshape from what to what, by the way?
08:28<petn-randall>!tell Gerowen -about stable
08:28<EmleyMoor>4 to 8 devices
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08:28<EmleyMoor>I'd be happy if I saw some real progress...
08:28<petn-randall>Gerowen: Check what dpkg sent. opendk-8 is in backports, though.
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08:34<Gerowen>petn-randall: I'm aware that package versions get frozen for stable, but since the newer version was in backports I wasn't sure if there was gonna be an icedtea-plugin moved to backports to match it or not, :-) I don't really need it, OpenJDK 7 runs all the Java stuff I need (scanning documents on my banking website and playing Runescape), I was just curious.
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08:52<EmleyMoor>Is there anything "safe but drastic" I could do to make a RAID 6 reshape make progress?
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08:56<EmleyMoor>Why would the bitmap figure x/196 go up and down but nothing else really change?
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09:05<petn-randall>Gerowen: Backports are only made if a DD who needs it creates it. There is also a backports mailing list where you may cautiously ask for a backport, but they're usually quite busy with their own stuff.
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09:07<f-a>longshot: has anyone here got fs-uae (amiga emulator) working on their machine?
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09:23<Zetta>Why is my cooler all noisy when CPU's just as high as 25%?
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09:23<Zetta>Or a bit less/more.
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09:27<Gerowen>Zetta: What's the temperature when the CPU is running? Have you checked to make sure it's not getting hot, perhaps dirty air intake?
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09:27<Zetta>Gerowen: How do I check the temperature?
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09:28<Zetta>Gerowen: Also it doesn't happen when I use Windows. :p
09:29<Zetta>Gerowen: Even when the CPU usage is higher than 25%.
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09:31<Gerowen>Zetta: You can open a terminal and run "sensors". May have to install lmsensors in order for the sensors command to work.
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09:33<Zetta>Gerowen: What do you think?
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09:35<hans>hi guys
09:35<Gerowen>Zetta: At 71 degrees the fan should be running, maybe not full blast, but it'll probably be running. I've heard of some Linux systems having issues with the fan running non-stop because of an issue with the governor being used. It shouldn't hurt anything as long as you keep it clean so the dust doesn't wear out the bearings in the fan, but I've never personally had the issue. You could so some googling and research options for adjusting fan speed.
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09:41<Zetta>Gerowen: Right, will do it. Thanks, man.
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10:22<EmleyMoor>Is there anything "safe" even if "drastic" I could do to make a RAID 6 reshape progress? Mine has been going 48 hours and is still 0.0% complete.
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10:28<stevenm_>Lo, on a wheezy system if I wanted to enable serial at grub, at kernel and at shell i'd edit /etc/default/grub for the first two - and then finally go for /etc/inittab
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10:28<stevenm_>i'm guessing with jessie - for linux/grub via serial it's the same procedure - what something else for inittab?
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10:31<stevenm_>oh perhaps that bit isn't even needed any more
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10:33<Gerowen>What's a good piece of software in the repos that I can use with a USB capture card to capture video from a VHS player?
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10:35<stevenm_>Gerowen, perhaps avidemux?
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10:35<stevenm_>hmm maybe not - just files I think
10:37<stevenm_>ah no apparently it can do it
10:37<stevenm_>it has a record button
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10:38<Gerowen>stevenm_: Can't find it in the repos. Lemme go see if they have a DEB cause' I really don't feel like going through dependency hell trying to compile it, :P
10:38<Gerowen>Might see if I can use VLC, gonna order me a cheap USB capture card for converting my kids' VHS movies before they go to crap. A few of them the quality is really starting to go, so I'm gonna try to save them digitally.
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10:39<duclicsic>you can probably do it with VLC
10:39<duclicsic>oh, just too late there :)
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10:41<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Which command did you run? If you have a RAID controller with cache, make sure the BBU is charged to benefit of the writeback cache.
10:42<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Does 'atop' show the disks maxxed out regarding I/O?
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10:50<crane>weirdest bug so far I've seen... openvpn using tcp => clients connects -> server answers with his public ip; using udp => clients connects -> server answers with his private ip... dafuq? where can I setup protocol specific rules?
10:55<petn-randall>crane: You probably have a routing problem then.
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10:57<crane>petn-randall: but shoulnd this affect both protocols?
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11:00<petn-randall>crane: No, the state machine for TCP and UDP work differently.
11:00<petn-randall>crane: I'm assuming you have a default route set for the internal interface, or you're connecting from the internal interface.
11:00<crane>petn-randall: fuck yeah, that was it. I have to read about how the state machines works
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11:01<petn-randall>crane: You probably could fix it up somehow with iptables, but it's not trivial and the more robust way is either to use TCP or configure openvpn differently.
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11:01<crane>petn-randall: or the setup the correct default gateway
11:02<petn-randall>crane: or that :)
11:02<crane>so strange... connectivity is normal but it just affects udp stuff
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11:03<petn-randall>crane: It works if you connect internally via the internal IP.
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11:03<crane>petn-randall: I guess so. I just used the public ip. maybe I should get rid of binding a private ip on an interface with a public ip
11:04<crane>petn-randall: default dev venet0 scope link metric 2
11:04<crane>this was the only default route i had so far
11:04<crane>now i pointed to the gw and it works like charm
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11:09<D->Hello, my wired connection is not working despite the card and my router appearing to be connected.
11:10<D->What diagnostic tools do I need to work on this problem? I apparently have none of them installed.
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11:17<Niranjan_India>I need some help with nVidia Driver problem on Debian 8.2
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11:20<D->My system gives "command not found" for the apparently basic command ifconfig.
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11:25<bitfreak>Do you have already root-rights?
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11:27<D->I did it with sudo and it did work. Something no place mentioned to do.
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11:28<Niranjan_India>Can someone help on the issue
11:28<petn-randall>D-: ifconfig is installed in /sbin/ifconfig, which is not in a normal user's $PATH.
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11:28<petn-randall>!tell Niranjan_India -about ask
11:29<Niranjan_India>Debina Not booting. native nvidia driver not detecting 960
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11:30<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
11:30<petn-randall>Niranjan_India: ^^^^
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11:36<Niranjan_India>I cant get pass the Grub boot screen.. Then how can I go to terminal
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11:36<Niranjan_India>Even recovery console doesnt start
11:37<D->Are you sure it's a graphics problem?
11:37<blast007>Niranjan_India: is it a clean install, or had you made changes that caused it to stop working?
11:37<Niranjan_India>Clean Install
11:37<Niranjan_India>Dual boot with Win 7.
11:37<petn-randall>Well, you did install the native nvidia driver, which is not supported in here.
11:38<Niranjan_India>Yea It is giving error that some nvnoe etc not supporting my GTX960
11:38<petn-randall>Niranjan_India: Try removing "quiet splash" from the boot entry in grub by pressing "e". If booting that doesn't work, you will need to create a live image to boot from.
11:38<Niranjan_India>I tried Google. It gave some commands that can be run from terminal to update the driver.
11:39<Niranjan_India>I have a bootable USB from which I installed
11:40<Niranjan_India>I will go and Try removing that line you mentioned.
11:40<Niranjan_India>be right back
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11:57<D-> Some output info. Far as I can tell, everything is fine. I don't get why wired isn't working when wireless is.
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12:08<tonyyarusso>D-: Could you copy that to ( is blocked here...)
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12:10<petn-randall>D-: eth0 has no IPv4 configured.
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12:10<petn-randall>D-: Do you have network manager running?
12:10<D->I do.
12:11<D->I'm currently connected to my router via wifi, and have my wired cord plugged in anyway.
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12:11<tremon>we can tell, as ipv6 is configured correctly
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12:12<petn-randall>D-: Can you show us /etc/network/interfaces?
12:12<tonyyarusso>Does the IPv6 connectivity actually work? Also, is this the same box you're chatting from? If not I'd say disable the wlan0 to simplify things.
12:13<D->I am talking on the same device.
12:14<petn-randall>D-: If you comment out line 11 and 12, you'll be able to manage Ethernet via network-manager.
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12:17<D->Wouldn't it be smarter to change networkmanager.conf to manage wired connections?
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12:17<D->As per
12:18<petn-randall>D-: network-manager will ignore any interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces, as a measure to ensure backwards compatibility.
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12:19<D->Okay. So what's the command to open interfaces in a root instance of leafpad so I can edit it?
12:19<tonyyarusso>Which might mean he needs to do *both* of those things.
12:19<petn-randall>tonyyarusso: No, commenting it out in e/n/i is enough.
12:20<petn-randall>D-: nano /etc/network/interfaces should be enough.
12:20<D->I have no idea how to use nano.
12:20<tonyyarusso>petn-randall: You're right - I just got the link opened to see what the option was set up as.
12:20<petn-randall>D-: It's rather simple, it has all commands in the bottom two lines.
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12:21<petn-randall>D-: just navigate to the lines, add a # in front of them, then press ctrl + w to save, and ctrl + x to exit.
12:22<`RuLeZ`>pls active man
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12:22<D->Any programs I need to restart to put that into effect?
12:22<tonyyarusso>It's ^O to save (write Out)
12:22<tonyyarusso>^W is find
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12:23<tonyyarusso>D-: See the "Restart NetworkManager" part of that link
12:23<D->So I do need to restart it anyway.
12:23<tonyyarusso>Just restart NM
12:23<tonyyarusso>Not the whole machine, mind you, just the daemon.
12:23<petn-randall>tonyyarusso: yeah, sorry
12:23<D->$ /etc/init.d/network-manager restart
12:23<D->bash: /etc/init.d/network-manager: No such file or directory
12:24<D->Did I do it wrong?
12:24<petn-randall>D-: service restart network-manager
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12:25<petn-randall>D-: Which release are you running?
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12:25<tonyyarusso>Pretty sure 'service' has been recommended over running scripts directly for like three releases now anyway.
12:25<D->I believe so, at least.
12:25<EmleyMoor>I have a RAID reshape that has made no real progress and has been running for more than 48 hours. What can I safely do that may help it along?
12:25<petn-randall>D-: As root?
12:26<tonyyarusso>EmleyMoor: Drink and nap?
12:26<EmleyMoor>tonyyarusso: Not to me, to it
12:26<EmleyMoor>It has made no, rather than little, real progress... that's what really gets me.
12:26<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: You never answered my questions.
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12:27<D->$ sudo service restart network-manager
12:27<D->restart: unrecognized service
12:27<petn-randall>D-: sorry, sudo service network-manager restart
12:28<petn-randall>I always forget that the order is different than with systemctl.
12:28<D->$ sudo service network-manager restart
12:28<D->Failed to restart network-manager.service: Unit network-manager.service failed to load: No such file or directory.
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12:29<petn-randall>D-: sorry, sudo service NetworkManager restart
12:29<EmleyMoor>petn-randall: Software RAID. Ran mdadm -G /dev/md1 --raid-disks 8 -a /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdf2 /dev/sdg2 /dev/sdh2...
12:29<petn-randall>D-: They must've changed the name. :/
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12:29<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Are the disks maxxed out when running 'atop'?
12:30<EmleyMoor>And I haven't got atop right now but will get it
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12:30<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Sure, I'll be back in 20 mins
12:30<D->I see etc/init.d/networking .
12:31<D->Ah, wicd .
12:32<D->Yay, that worked.
12:32<EmleyMoor>petn-randall: Thoy're not even showing in atop
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12:34<EmleyMoor>Seen briefly, busy 1%...
12:34<EmleyMoor>So, unless I'm interpreting it wrong they're barely even active
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12:45<tremon>EmleyMoor: what raid level?
12:46<tremon>what does /proc/mdstat show?
12:46<tremon>on please :)
12:47<tremon>I'd also like to see dmesg|grep md:
12:47<tremon>or rather dmesg|grep -w md
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12:50<EmleyMoor>tremon: ouch indeed!
12:50<tremon>that's very slow indeed. I wouldn't want to reboot a system in that state
12:52<tremon>maybe you can improve the speed with sysctl:{min,max}
12:53<tremon>but the normal minimum speed is 1000kB/s and it's alreay slower than that
12:53<EmleyMoor> is the right grep
12:53<EmleyMoor>tremon: Already tweaked that... made seemingly no difference at all.
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12:54<EmleyMoor>This seems to defy explanation
12:56<tremon>EmleyMoor: you didn't get an error when adding the new disks?
12:56<EmleyMoor>No, no error at all.
12:56<tremon>I thought you couldn't grow a parity raid with an active bitmap
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12:57<EmleyMoor>If you can't, what can I now do about it?
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12:58<tremon>I wouldn't do anything as I don't know what's possible right now. But read this for starters:
12:58<tremon>noteworthy: "If the array has a write-intent bitmap, it is strongly recommended that you remove the bitmap before increasing the size of the array. Failure to observe this precaution can lead to the destruction of the array if the existing bitmap is insufficiently large"
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13:01<tremon>EmleyMoor: I'd send a mail to with the grepped dmesg output, your command, the contents of /proc/mdstat and mdadm --detail /dev/md1
13:01<tremon>(your command = the exact command you used to grow the array, including any output)
13:02<EmleyMoor>(don't have the output)
13:02<tremon>well... what you can remember of it then :)
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13:02<EmleyMoor>To say it was "normal" is the best I can do.
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13:03<tremon>it's possible the raid is refusing to reshape because of the bitmap, in which case a mdadm -G /dev/md1 -b none would be the correct solution
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13:05<tremon>EmleyMoor: the command is also not in your history?
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13:11<EmleyMoor>tremon: No, not there
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13:12<EmleyMoor>tremon: Is it safe to try cancelling the bitmap now?
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13:12<tremon>I don't know
13:13<tremon>if you have a backup of the complete contents, it is reasonably safe
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13:16<EmleyMoor>All consequential content is backed up... but would like to avoid the hassle of a nuke-and-pave if possible.
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13:17<tremon>did you use a backup file when growing? i.e. mdadm -G .. --add ... --backup-file=
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13:20<tremon>you can try issuing the no-bitmap command at your own risk, but it will probably fail as there's already a reshape in progress
13:20<tremon>normally, you can cancel a repair or scrub operation with echo idle > /sys/block/md1/sync_action . Not sure what that does for a reshape operation
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13:20<EmleyMoor>petn-randall about?
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13:24<tremon>EmleyMoor: according to , you can cancel a reshape at assemble time: --assemble --update=revert-reshape. Presumably you need to --stop the array before reassembly
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13:25<EmleyMoor>I may have cocked up the partitioning anyway, it seems
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13:26<EmleyMoor>Any "Can I safely stop? If so how?" advice would be appreciated...
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13:32<tremon>EmleyMoor: the theory is yes you can:
13:33<tremon>but if you read the rest of the thread, practice doesn't always match theory...
13:35<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... that doesn't say much :-(
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13:36<tremon>which is why I suggested to contact upstream directly
13:36<EmleyMoor>I have anyway
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13:41<tremon>good. let's hope you get a response quickly, I really am interested in knowing what the "correct" solution is here
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13:42<EmleyMoor>Anyway, thinking now about new installs... can the jessie installer set up a new installation using GPT partitions?
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13:45<tremon>don't know. I think it can, but you can't explicitly configure it. I don't know when it chooses mbr or gpt partitioning. I always manually install the gdisk .deb in the installer environment :)
13:46<blast007>I believe it will automatically use GPT for larger drive (probably 3TB+?) or if you're booting the installer via UEFI
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13:58<EmleyMoor>blast007: OK - how do I boot the installer via UEFI?
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13:59<blast007>depends on your system, but if you bring up the boot options you'll generally see two options for the installer CD/DVD/USB, one of which will be for UEFI
14:00<blast007>boot options as in your motherboard's boot options, not the Debian Installer's menu
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14:13<EmleyMoor>blast007: OK, will investigate that as I do these builds
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14:18<blast007>EmleyMoor: is your boot drive(s) RAID'ed as well?
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14:19<EmleyMoor>blast007: There is a RAID1 for /boot across all the drives.
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14:20<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... that's a bit of a bind!
14:21<EmleyMoor>Maybe not worth doing yet, in that case.
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14:24<EmleyMoor>Anyway, none of that helps my immediate issue...
14:25<canaima>si claro
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14:26<canaima>porque no chatamos
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14:26<canaima>si o no chatamos
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14:27<EmleyMoor>canaima: This is an English-speaking channel for support with Debian.
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14:28<canaima>si quiere
14:30<blast007>EmleyMoor: On my Wheezy box, I have some hackish modification in the mdadm-raid init script that creates a manual RAID1 for the EFI System Partition (that it assumes is clean, via --assume-clean), but I have no idea if that even works 100% correctly - definitely not production quality, but good enough for a home NAS ;)
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14:31<blast007>ideally I'm going to see if I can get Jessie going with legacy booting to GPT 6TB drives in RAID1 to avoid that
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14:40<LinuxNoob>bien y tu. Ablo espanol como una baca engles. Soy frances
14:40<LinuxNoob>speak english?
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14:41<isabel>que no se
14:41<LinuxNoob>i am new on debian, What kind of questions can we ask there? Is there ome rules?
14:42<towo`>you can ask all queastions if they are related to debian
14:43<LinuxNoob>ok, thats very nice ! I will continue my visit of this marvelous OS. Have a nice day or evening
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14:46<isabel>si quiere puedes ensellar hablar ingles
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14:48<isabel>si o no
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14:53<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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14:56<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Can you show me the output of 'cat /proc/mdstat'?
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14:57<asumu>Hi, I'm on testing and having trouble upgrading packages b/c packages depend on a newer libstdc++ that hasn't been set up yet. Anyone else had this issue and been able to resolve it?
14:57<towo`>asumu, 1st wrong channel, 2nd, you have to wait for the end of the libstc++-transition
14:58<asumu>Oh sorry, what's the right channel?
14:59<Yst>I was reading about the syntax of the $PS1 bash variable at <>, and it said that "\h" is the first label of the host name while "\H" is the full host name. However, when I switch to using "\H", there is no difference. Both only output "newdawn", but I think "\H" should output "", the host name I entered when installing Debian. Am I
14:59<Yst>doing something wrong?
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15:02<tremon>Yst: check hostname -f. the full hostname may depend on your dns settings
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15:03<Yst>tremon: "hostname -f" outputs "" as expected.
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15:04<Yst>I think in DNS, "" points to my local 10.0.0.* IP address, too.
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15:05<Yst>Huh. Seems that was lost. I'll re-add that entry to DNS.
15:05<tremon>Yst: just verified here. \h and \H indeed result in the same prompt
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15:05<Yst>Is that supposed to happen?
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15:06<Yst>I mean, I have a work-around in place, but that seems broken.
15:06<tremon>not sure. man bash says "\h - hostname up to the first prompt \H - hostname"
15:06<tremon>not sure. man bash says "\h - hostname up to the first '.' \H - hostname"
15:07<tremon>but a normal hostname does not include a '.', so I'm not sure what the manual is implying here
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15:07<tremon>if they meant to imply FQDN, I'd like to think they would just write FQDN instead
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15:10<Yst>Hmm. Alright. I suppose I'll just put "$(hostname --domain)" into $PS1 then. Thank you!
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16:05<Guest5152>quoi de neuf ici
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16:06<anonymous>I don t understand french
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16:06<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
16:07<Guest5152>how to crack a WEP keys and wap ?
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16:08<anonymous>With Aircrack
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16:08<Guest5152>commendams the aircrack
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16:10<Guest5152>I am under security parrot bones
16:10<EmleyMoor>Is there a safe way to stop a RAID 6 reshape that appears to have made no real progress whatsoever since it was started over 2 days ago?
16:12<EmleyMoor>(I've realised, as well, that I've mispartitioned the new drives)
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16:19<Iridos>probably only by relying on backups
16:19<EmleyMoor>"relying on backups" ≠ "stop" - not a problem if that's the only way, though
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16:27<cyril>hi everybody!
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16:28<cyril>i have problem with fglrx (proprio driver AMD/ATI) and screen TV
16:28<cyril>i'm french
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16:30<cyril>my screen had black shape... and after use command (aticonfig --set-pcs-val=MCIL,DigitalHDTVDefaultUnderscan,0)
16:30<cyril>my screen now is out of display
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16:32<cyril>i tried to modif this with "xRandR" because aticonfig don't want modif it while RandR 1.2 is enable...
16:33<cyril>but i could just modif size of virtual screen... so right and botom screen
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16:33<cyril>but i cant move the position offset
16:33<cyril>this command not change the position...
16:33<cyril>xrandr --output DFP3 --pos 30x10
16:34<cyril>this command return at the initial appearence
16:34<cyril>the command for change size work
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16:35<cyril>xrandr --fb 1630x1020
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16:36<cyril>for a screen size 1680x1050
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16:37<cyril>no people know a solution... i search on the network... but not found solution
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16:40<tremon>cyril: why are you using fglrx in the first place? is the open radeon driver not enough?
16:40<tremon>not many people use fglrx, at least not on debian I guess
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16:41<cyril>my GPU is HD5800 series, and it's still supporting
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16:42<cyril>you think change driver resolve?
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16:43<tremon>I don't know. But I think that more people will be able to help you with the open radeon driver than with fglrx
16:43<towo`>the radeon driver is allways the better choice over that crap fglrx
16:43<cyril>ok i understand
16:43<tremon>see? ;)
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16:44<cyril>but do you can move virtual screen with xrandr?
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16:45<cyril>xrandr is used by user debian... no?
16:45<cyril>debian user*... sorry
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16:46<tremon>I'm not sure what you mean with "move virtual screen". If you mean that you can choose a higher virtual desktop resolution than screen resoluion and than pan your viewport, then yes
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16:46<tremon>xrandr is available for all video drivers, yes
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16:47<supr3m3> hey, kind of a n00bie here, is this a appropriate sources.list?
16:47<cyril>pan my viewport?
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16:48<tremon>I'm at a loss how to describe what you're describing :)
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16:49<cyril>sorry what is "pan my viewport"
16:49<tremon>supr3m3: lose the deb cdrom line, and your last line should probably have the same components as the security lines. Either have all of them end in "main", or use "main contrib non-free" for all three
16:50<supr3m3>thanks, so im not missing any packages? i want to make sure i have all the packages/dependencies as well as security updates :)
16:50<tremon>I would also comment out line 6, you probably don't need the deb-src line, and if you do, you will want a deb-src line for the main repository as well
16:51<tremon>you have all packages, except for the non-free stuff
16:51<cyril>because i could reduce my virtual desktop... and was good for right and bottom edge
16:51<supr3m3>thanks very much :)
16:52<cyril>but for left and top i need move or translate... the virtual desktop...
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16:53<cyril>and i don't found cmd in xrandr... xrandr --pos not work...
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16:53<tremon>cyril: can you paste the output of xrandr --prop to a pastebin?
16:53<cyril>or maybe other command
16:54<cyril>ok i will
16:54<supr3m3> so just for confirmation, this is correct?
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16:55<tremon>supr3m3: you're still missing contrib non-free on line 7. Unless you don't want the non-free stuff, then you have a superfluous contrib-nonfree on line 5
16:56<supr3m3>yes, i should probably put non-free contrib on all lines
16:56<cyril> i maked
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16:56<cyril>sorry is bad
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16:58<cyril>I reuploaded
16:58<tremon>any reason why you can't use the 1920x1080 resolution? Your tv says it supports that too
16:58<cyril>my console wont up size....
16:59<cyril>yes but in my resolution, TV stay in 1080P
16:59<tremon>by console, you mean something like gnome-terminal? You can set a larger font size, if that's the only problem
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16:59<cyril>in 1920x1080 go on 1080i and it's unstable
16:59<tremon>ah ok
17:00<cyril>yes i did when i reuploaded
17:00<cyril>for console font size
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17:03<tremon>you might be able to tweak the console DPI settings to mitigate that. I have little experience, but google around for linux HiDPI
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17:04<cyril>is not my problem i resolved console size...
17:04<tremon>good :)
17:05<cyril>i would change the offset of virtual screen
17:05<cyril>or position...
17:05<tremon>you can do that with the xrandr --transform parameter, but it's not that easy to use correctly (unless you know advanced math)
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17:06<cyril>with matrix....
17:06<cyril>i saw... but how you say...
17:06<tremon>maybe xrandr --scale-from is easier
17:06<tremon>do you know how many pixels you needed to move the screen?
17:07<cyril>i want move 30H and 10V
17:08<cyril>h=horiz & V=verti
17:08<tremon>ok, so on a 1680x1050 resolution that leaves 1650x1040 usable pixels. What does xrandr --scale-from 1650x1040 give you?
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17:10<cyril>ok i try
17:10<tremon>it will probably lock the screen in the upper left corner, so might give you an unusable border on the right and bottom. Not sure how we can prevent that
17:11<cyril>nothing change
17:12<cyril>just line in xrandr --prop
17:12<cyril>DFP3 connected primary 1650x1040+0+0
17:12<tremon>oh wait
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17:12<tremon>xrandr --output DFP3 --scale-from 1650x1040
17:13<cyril>yes i did
17:13<tremon>oh :)
17:13<cyril>and nothing change, just line in xrandr --prop output
17:15<cyril>i think change the mode
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17:15<cyril>change the resolution
17:16<cyril>but not the real-size of virtual desktop
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17:16<tremon>can you paste the output of xrandr --prop again?
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17:17<tremon>btw this is what my monitor shows:
17:18<tremon>apparently my card+driver does support underscan. Yours didn't show this info at all
17:18<tremon>are you running jessie?
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17:18<cyril>i running jessie
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17:20<tremon>note that your output is now showing "DFP3 1650x1040+0+0", so the change did work
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17:20<cyril>i said this
17:20<cyril>change resolution
17:20<tremon>sorry i missed that :)
17:20<cyril>i want change initial position...
17:21<tremon>can you now try xrandr --output DFP3 --scale-from 1650x1040 --pos 30x10?
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17:21<tremon>not sure if that will do what I want it to do
17:22<cyril>X error failed request...
17:22<cyril>i got error
17:22<cyril>i pastebin
17:23<tremon>the error probably says that the coordinates are outside the viewing area
17:23<cyril>i don't know
17:24<tremon>lol, not even a normal error message :|
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17:24<tremon>ok, let's try a transform then
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17:25<tremon>xrandr --output DFP3 --transform 0.98,0,30,0,0.99,10,0,0,1
17:26<cyril>ok i try
17:27<tremon>this isn't completely right, but I'm curious in what direction the screen shifts
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17:28<tremon>EmleyMoor: seems to suggest you can issue a --grow --continue command from mdadm
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17:28<newbie|2>hello everyone
17:29<cyril>no direction
17:29<newbie|2>guys I have a huge problem with installing debian on my machine
17:29<tremon>can you try with 300 and 100 instead of 30 and 10?
17:30<cyril>but my bottom change appearence
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17:30<cyril>the font is changed in this region
17:30<newbie|2>the problem is the following, all I have is a wifi connection, which requires ms-chapv2 authentication and the installer doesnt like it
17:31<cyril>look like a magnifying glass
17:31<newbie|2>can i configure the netinstaller somehow to connect to ms-chapv2?
17:31<tremon>cyril: that's an odd reaction. The transform should have scaled the entire output, not just the bottom region
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17:33<tremon>newbie|2: not sure. I know the new installer just recently (jessie release) gained support for wpa encryption, so I would guess it's not there. You might want to ask #debian-boot for a definitive answer
17:33<newbie|2>tremon: thanks i'll try
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17:34<cyril>maybe... but in the bottom is accentuated on bot
17:35<cyril>and it didn't take direction is stay in the like place
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17:36<tremon>cyril: can you try xrandr --output DFP3 --transform 0.8,0,300,0,0.9,100,0,0,1 then? according to the manual, this should make the display much smaller (20%)
17:37<tremon>or maybe it doesn't do fractions. Does xrandr --prop show any change at all?
17:38<cyril>Yes is GOOD!
17:38<cyril>but in bad direction
17:38<cyril>i gone on right bottom
17:38<cyril>like my x - 30 and my y - 10
17:39<tremon>but that is the right direction, right? I thought you said the display disappeared on the top left, so now we moved it to the right bottom
17:39<tremon>or did I misunderstand?
17:39<cyril>if you prefer i zoom on right botom
17:39<cyril>i would go search the top left invisible
17:40<cyril>this command make a zoom on right bottom....
17:40<cyril>i would go search the top left
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17:41<cyril>do you understand?
17:41<tremon>i'm not sure I understand completely, but as long as you do...
17:41<cyril>sorry i'm french and my english is not perfect
17:41<tremon>in the transform I gave you, there's four variables for you to tweak:
17:42<cyril>I lack the vocabulary
17:42<tremon>- the 0.8 is the horizontal scaling. Smaller values will make the display less wide, so probably more easy to see fully on your screen
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17:43<tremon>- the 300 is the horizontal shift. We now shifted it 300 pixels (to the right, I think). You probably need either 30 or -30 here
17:43<cyril>ok i try 1.2, you think is good idea?
17:43<tremon>You can try, but I think you need to keep below 1.0
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17:44<tremon>otherwise your display will be even larger than the screen. But do try, and see the effect
17:44<cyril>for explain the command effect
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17:45<tremon>- the 0.9 is the vertical scaling. Same thing as for the horizontal, you probably want a value just below 1.0 for a full-screen effect. But smaller values are easier to see the change
17:45<tremon>- the 100 is the vertical shift. You probably need either 10 or -10, depending on which direction you need
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17:45<cyril>the reduced my vision of the desktop at little corner on bottom right
17:45<cyril>the command reduced
17:46<tremon>yes, your desktop is now larger than the display :)
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17:47<cyril>when i begun the discussion my desktop larger than the display
17:48<cyril>i need reduce it
17:48<tremon>yes, that's why you need scaling factors smaller than 1 :)
17:48<cyril>like last command?
17:48<isa>si claro puedes
17:49<cyril>last command make a bigger desktop
17:49<cyril>i need inverse
17:49<isa>ok yes
17:49<tremon>yes. 0.8 and 0.9 are probably good you to work with as a start
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17:50<tremon>I would first worry about getting the corners right, so make the desktop smaller than the display, and then start tweaking the 300 and 100 values to move your desktop around
17:50<isa> sabe quimica
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17:51<tremon>when you have found the correct offset values, then start tweaking the 0.8 and 0.9 values again to make the desktop exactly as large as your screen
17:51<tremon>maybe you need even smaller than 0.8 and 0.9 to start with
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17:51<cyril>i go smoke... headache... and recome
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17:52<tremon>:) best of luck
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17:52<tremon>we did try the other options first though. Transform was the only one left :)
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18:01<EmleyMoor>I'll have a look
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18:03<canaima>no puedo
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18:03<tremon>EmleyMoor: you may want to follow the thread starting at too. I'm scanning it, not sure where it leads
18:03<newbie|2>netinstaller and ms-chapv2? do I have any chance to get this working?
18:04<EmleyMoor>tremon: That worked!
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18:06<tremon>well... great :)
18:06<EmleyMoor>Meanwhile, I have no sound on my laptop - worked OK on Saturday
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18:06<tremon>yeah, you need four reboots and 20 hail-mary's to get pulseaudio to restart. And a 12-minute rain dance
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18:07<cyril>i don't understand transform command....
18:08<cyril>i read, read, and read... but...
18:08<tremon>don't try to understand it unless you're comfortable with matrix transforms. Just fiddle with the values I gave you, until they give you the picture you want
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18:10<EmleyMoor>The millennia have turned into hours :-)
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18:10<tremon>out of interest, what kernel and init are you using? standard jessie, so 3.16 and systemd?
18:11<cyril>tremon: I would like to make a small zoom back in the same proportion
18:11<martinnaughton>hey guys, i think i have a bug on package sigc++ on debian stretch. I am compiling against the headers and getting alot of errors like "expected primary-expression before ‘,’ token" from it header files. There is no bug in the bug reqports about it. Not sure if it me or the package causing the problem. I am just using the header
18:11<tremon>did you add a --backup-file with the --continue command?
18:11<EmleyMoor>Yes, it insisted
18:11<cyril>what is the transform commande?
18:12<EmleyMoor>This does mean I can go back and fail each disk out one at a time, then correct the partitioning...
18:12<tremon>EmleyMoor: ok, then I think I understand. the other thread says explicitly that sync_max is set to zero until the backup has been completed
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18:13<EmleyMoor>Process needs a backup file or a spare, it seems
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18:13<tremon>cyril: can you rephrase that? the "transform" is an argument to xrandr, you can read about it in the xrandr man page
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18:16<cyril>yes i read xrandr man
18:16<cyril>but i don't understand matrice
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18:17<cyril>i tried this command
18:17<cyril>xrandr --output DFP3 --transform 1.05,0,30,0,1.0,10,0,0,1
18:18<cyril>but now i can't move my mouse on the right...
18:18<cyril>and bot
18:19<tremon>try larger changes to see the effect of the values. So try 1.5 and 0.5 for the first, 200 and -200 for the third, etc
18:19<cyril>can you give me command?
18:20<cyril>because i'm blocked...
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18:20<tremon>xrandr --output DFP3 --transform 1.5,0,30,0,1.0,10,0,0,1
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18:20<tremon>will probably show you only half or your desktop on screen
18:20<tremon>xrandr --output DFP3 --transform 0.5,0,30,0,1.0,10,0,0,1
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18:20<tremon>will probably leave half your screen black
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18:22<EmleyMoor>Once this is done, I'll go back and reset to normal all the settings I've tried...
18:22<EmleyMoor>However, for now I'll leave it and go to bed
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18:26<cyril>tremon: not perfect but i will the perfect command
18:26<cyril>tremon: thank you very for your help
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18:27<tremon>you're welcome. Just keep tweaking
18:27<cyril>and patience
18:28<cyril>i will search the perfect command
18:28<cyril>i don't know if you are american
18:28<cyril>i'm european and it's 0:27....
18:29<cyril>i go sleep!
18:29<cyril>bye bye
18:29<cyril>good luck
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18:34<GoGi>why does the live cd not include mdadm?
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18:42<newbie|2>I am really longing to be part of your fancy debian club, but I need to configure the debian netinstaller to use ms-chapv2, is this possible?
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18:45<abrotman>for dialup?
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18:54<gianni>salve a tutti
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18:57<newbie|2>abrotman: i only have a wifi connection that requires ms-chapv2 authentication and by default the netinstaller of debian does not like that
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18:58<newbie|2>gianni: salve
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18:59<stefan>what version is the latest kernel for jessie?
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19:00<tremon>stefan: jessie was released with kernel 3.16
19:00<tremon>There's 4.1 available in backports
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19:03<sacioz>Hi all
19:03<sacioz>just visiting , thank you
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20:47<newbie|2>nobody wants to help me ;(
20:47<newbie|2>this makes me sad
20:48<newbie|2>i want debian so bad :(
20:48<abrotman>ms-chap hasn't really been used in ages .. do you need it during the installer, or just to use later?
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20:48<newbie|2>during the installer
20:49<newbie|2>the thing is that my university uses it
20:49<newbie|2>and thats the only internet supply I have
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20:49<abrotman>that doesn't explain why you need it during the installer
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20:50<newbie|2>i would like to use the netinstaller and not one of the predownloaded cds/dvds
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20:51<abrotman>the netinst can install a system without internet
20:51<newbie|2>yes, I did that
20:52<newbie|2>but I am not really sure how to get the same install now
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20:52<newbie|2>would I need to install all drivers manually and software?
20:53<newbie|2>or is there a way to get things done with just one command?
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20:54<abrotman>and you tried to google "debian ms-chapv2" and you got nothing?
20:55<newbie|2>nothing for it to have during the installer, I didnt check for the case to get it done afterwards, but even if I knew how I still dont really know which packages to install then manually
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20:58<newbie|2>I strongly assume there is no command like "install debian" to get things done after a minimal install without internet
20:59<newbie|2>And my current experience level gives rise to the assumption or even suggestion that I do not install the packages manually, (this is one of the problems why I need to reinstall debian :D )
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21:04<somiaj>newbie|2: after you have a minimial install you can either install things from the internet or a local medium (like one of the isntall dvds), all you need is info about the packages available.
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21:04<somiaj>newbie|2: if you want to install the large group of packages, you can use tasksel (this is the last thing the isntaller does after isntalling a base system)
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21:05<newbie|2>somiaj: so you say if I use tasksel I will get the same installation as with netinstall?
21:05<somiaj>newbie|2: you will get the same options about which tasks to install like a desktop enviroment, ssh server etc.
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21:06<somiaj>newbie|2: But you will have to manually configure your network before you do this if the netinstall didn't configure it for you
21:06<somiaj>newbie|2: and create a sources.list file
21:06<newbie|2>somiaj: in the netinstall I usually have no options at all, I think
21:07<somiaj>newbie|2: after the netinstall installs the base system it then runs tasksel to let you select large tasks of packages to install (if you want).
21:07<somiaj>This is the part that requires a network connenction which sometimes due to firmware issues may need to be configured manually'
21:07<newbie|2>somiaj: ok then my memory seems to be bad
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21:08<newbie|2>somiaj: do I need wpa supplicant to get this done?
21:09<somiaj>newbie|2: that should be included in the base system isntalled by the network, and is needed for wpa wifi networks
21:09<newbie|2>somiaj: so base install only lacks applications and no drivers?
21:10<newbie|2>somiaj: not saying wpa_supplicant is a driver
21:10<newbie|2>somiaj: is tasksel also included in the base?
21:10<somiaj>the base system should contain a minimial set of tools so you have a functing system, but it will lack most software.
21:11<somiaj>wpa_supplicant and tasksel are included because they are needed by the installer to get on the network and to install various tasks of packages after the base system is installed
21:11<newbie|2>somiaj: that sounds great :)))
21:11<newbie|2>somiaj: thank you so much :*
21:12<somiaj>newbie|2: If you have installed the minimial base system and it is booting but you weren't able to install more software means you just need to manually get the network up. After that you can continue your install (this may also mean copying over some files on a usb stick or other medium)
21:13<newbie|2>somiaj: continue it? you mean by simply running tasksel?
21:14<somiaj>newbie|2: bascailly. Your install is complete, you just have a very minimial system so now you need to install software
21:14<somiaj>newbie|2: note I prefer to just use apt-get/aptitude and install the software I want, but tasksel is there if that is what you prefer.
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21:15<newbie|2>somiaj: I am always afraid that I am going to miss something if I manually use apt-get
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21:15<somiaj>newbie|2: if you find you are missing a pice of software, just install it. You don't have to do it all at once. But if you like the full tasks, then I would run tasksel (I just like to be more selective, as a personal choice)
21:16<newbie|2>somiaj: the last time I used apt-get to upgrade from stable to testing my system was screwed :)
21:16<Guest5176>someone tel how to open existing .vnc files in real vnc viewer??????
21:16<Guest5176>help me plz
21:18<newbie|2>somiaj: ok so basically I am only missing gnome, iceweasel, ... but nothing crucial to make things work like network manager (included in gnome?) so sound, bluetooth, webcam all is fine already?
21:18<newbie|2>somiaj: pulseaudio and stuff is already there?
21:18<somiaj>newbie|2: you most likley don't have network manager, but you have the core network tools needed
21:18<somiaj>newbie|2: pulseaudio is also not core, but alsa is there and working.
21:19<somiaj>newbie|2: things like bluetooth, webcam, the drivers are there in the kernel. Most likely don't hav the software to configure them.
21:19<newbie|2>somiaj: thats already frightening me :), bec. I don't know all the packages that need to be installed to make stuff like this work
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21:20<somiaj>newbie|2: hence if you are happy with the full gnome task, I would just install that.
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21:22<newbie|2>somiaj: tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install
21:22<somiaj>newbie|2: that sounds like what you want. If you need help configuring your network and sources.list first please ask
21:23<newbie|2>somiaj: I am very happy with that task, yes. if necessary I can just uninstall stuff, right?
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21:25<somiaj>newbie|2: correct
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21:26<newbie|2>somiaj: ok thank you, i'll try to configure network and sources.list on my own first, it seems not too difficult. I'll come back tomorrow if I screw things up again :D . Thank you so much. :)
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21:54<Ronald1>Hello there. Can I ask is there a way to run dpkg when installing Debian on a netinstall
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22:39<dvs>Ronald1: There is an available shell in one of the other terminal windows.
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23:22<D->Why does my boot screen for Debian always have a few lines of "kvm: disabled by bios"?
23:24<dvs>D-: Because virtualization is disabled in your BIOS
23:25<D->Is there a reason the number of times it's output varies each time I turn my system on?
23:25<D->Also, is that something I should look into enabling?
23:26<dvs>Unless you planning on running virtual machines
23:27<D->Not on a laptop.
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23:53<Ronald1>dvs: I see BusyBox as an option is there a way to run apt-get from the shell
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23:55<Ronald1>hi D-, what I am trying to do is install a package before installing debian. Is it even possible to do.
23:57<D->You want to install a package before you have an OS to install it in?
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23:58<Ronald1>Yeah. I want a program to run from the live cd is its possible
23:59<somiaj>Ronald1: the live system is a fully functional system, you can install what ever packge you want in it and run it
23:59<Ronald1>using the netboot?
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