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01:22<encfs>Hi, I need a fstab generator for Debian, I don't know if I'm writing it correctly because after restarting when finished with my installation of Debian on BTRFS Subvolumes, it seems to not find root..
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01:25<jm_>I already said you can pass 'debug' to the kernel and initramfs tools will show a lot of info, have you looked in there?
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01:26<encfs>I don't know what it means to 'pass debug to the kernel
01:26<twb>do you know what grub is
01:27<jm_>you can do it by editing kernel command line in grub or edit /etc/default/grub and run update-grub afterwards
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01:28<jm_>ctrl-e or whatever the key is in grub, it should be written at below the boot menu
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01:29<JetpackJohn>Hello. I'm looking for some help trying to untangle the mess that ssh/gpg-agent is on my system. There are multiple places during the X/Gnome statup procedure where some combination of ssh-agent, gpg-agent, gnome-keyring-daemon, and others are run. Newer instances tend to clobber the environment vars of older ones. The end result is, for exaple, multiple ssh-agent (or compatible) processes running,
01:29<JetpackJohn> but with env vars and /tmp sockets that point to the wrong processes or ones that are no longer active. Has anybody else had this much trouble? How did you track it down? Right now I'm trying to find where each gpg-agent process is being launched and disable them one by one. There is just one left which ps shows as "gpg-agent --daemon", but I still cannot find where it is being launched. Any idea
01:29<JetpackJohn>s on how I can fi this mess?
01:29<twb>JetpackJohn: do you use screen/tmux at all?
01:30<twb>JetpackJohn: do you use a GUI login screen (e.g. gdm3), or do you start X after logging in?
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01:30<jm_>I haven't since I don't use gnome so it's all done via /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ for me
01:31<twb>jm_: it can also be done by pam BEFORE that, either with (IIRC) or
01:31<JetpackJohn>twb: Yes, I use both. I use lightdm rather than gdm3 and I launch byobu (frontend to tmux) manually after launching a terminal.
01:32<twb>Also /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ assumes you pass through the default session.
01:32<twb>It isn't used at all if you launch a non-default session (at least, in most DMs)
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01:32<jm_>twb: I don't have either of those either
01:32<twb>JetpackJohn: what I use is a variant of gentoo keychain
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01:33<JetpackJohn>jm_: Yes, I've already disabled the Xsession.d gpg-agent script (which was being executed), and I've also looked in /etc/xdg/autostart since gnome-keyring-daemon can emulate both agents.
01:33<twb>JetpackJohn: you put it in your login scripts and it connects to existing daemons, and starts them if necessary.
01:33<twb>JetpackJohn: this is needed because otherwise when you log out of X, the associated daemons will be killed (usually), so your screen sessions continue to point to the old, dead, daemons
01:35<twb> is cool, it lets you log in using the passphrase on ~/.ssh/id_ecdsa, and then automatically starts a ssh-agent that lasts for the duration of that login. But if you use tmux/screen, that's not perfect
01:36<JetpackJohn>twb: Actually, I have recently started using keychain and I like it. The problem is that it doesn't work so well when there are multiple ssh-agent processes running, for example. So, I wrote a script that kills all existing agent processes and then uses keychain to start new ones. The downside here is that I must then run a second script in every currently running shell to set the env vars to the ne
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01:37<JetpackJohn>w values. Ideally, I want Xsession or Gnome to launch exactly one ssh-agent and one gpg-agent. That way the *correct* env vars are inherited by all processes I run.
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01:43<JetpackJohn>So, currently, I've managed to weed out all but one ssh-agent process and it *is* working, its env vars are correct, and its /tmp socket is connected to the correct PID. Still not there with gpg-agent, though. Disabling the Xxsession gpg-agent launcher was not the correct move. That one seems to have been doing what it was supposed to. Now, I need to somehow find where this "gpg-agent --daemon" pro
01:43<JetpackJohn>cess is started. Then I'll be down to just one gpg-agent and, hopefully, with just one, the env vars and sockets will be correct.
01:45<twb>JetpackJohn: how did you disable Xsession.d's instances?
01:46<K-202>Hi. Is dd bs=4M if=/dev/sdb of=backup.img a good command to make a backup of sdcard to hard disk?
01:46<K-202>I don't know if bs=4M should be set
01:46<twb>K-202: use gddrescue
01:46<twb>K-202: it will automatically speed up / slow down if there are read errors
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01:47<twb>Or you could just try "cp /dev/sdb backup.img"
01:47<K-202>twb, there are no read errors, I just want to make a backup of sdcard with raspbian
01:47<twb>K-202: the command you gave should work fine
01:47<K-202>how about bs=4M - is it needed?
01:48<jm_>K-202: in general yes, but why not use tar instead?
01:48<twb>Changing the block size will make it run faster/slower; you need to make it match (say) the size of the physical blocks.
01:48<JetpackJohn>Right now I'm trying to determine at what "stage" of X/Gnome startup this process is being started. I did "ps xaf | sort -n" and this let me see what processes were run at approximately the same time. I see things like gvfsd-trash and bluetooth obexd. These are among the last processes to be launched. Of course, this assumes a more or less linear execution. It's entirely possible that PID is part
01:48<JetpackJohn>of an completely separate process tree... :)
01:48<jm_>ahh you want to preserve partitions etc., partimage might be useful for that
01:49<twb>JetpackJohn: you already checked many good places. xdg autostart and Xsession.d are the most likely
01:49<twb>JetpackJohn: I am not very familiar with gnome tho :-)
01:49<JetpackJohn>twb: I just moved it out of the way, logged out, logged in at the console to make sure all agents were dead, and then logged back into X.
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01:49<twb>JetpackJohn: moved what, /etc/X11/Xsession.d/NN-gpg or whatever?
01:49<jm_>have you checked if pstree shows which process started gpg-agent?
01:50<twb>I assumed he did and it wasn't obvious because --daemon means it detaches
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01:50<twb>K-202: as jm_ suggested, copying the *files* instead of the blocks will be much faster/smaller backup, but it might not back up everything you need to restore an OS.
01:51<K-202>twb, if I used bs=4M when copying image to sdcard, is it needed when making backup?
01:51<K-202>I don't know block size of hard disk but it's probably smaller
01:51<jm_>K-202: not necessarily no
01:52<JetpackJohn>twb: Yeah, the X startup process has become a lot more complex. :( And, yes, I moved /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent to another directory.
01:52<twb>OK. That's configurable FYI
01:52<twb>>$t/etc/X11/Xsession.options printf %s\\n '#' use-session-dbus
01:52<judd>Bug in x11-common (open): «has_option ignores first line of file»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-02-17; last modified: 2014-02-17.
01:53<jm_>and for gpg-agent it looks in gpg.conf for use-agent
01:53<JetpackJohn>jm_: Wow, I actually didn't know about pstree. Very useful! Unfortunately, not so much in this case. It shows the parent to be systemd (i.e. init).
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01:55<JetpackJohn>jm_: Yeah, I saw that, but I figured that would keep all GPG related programs to possibly not use the agent. However, I've now moved the script back to its original location since *this* one looks like the process I eventually want to keep. It's the other rogue I need to track down.
01:56<jm_>JetpackJohn: yeah I suspected it would do that, so bummer - probably the easiest way would be to mv gpg-agent to gpg-agent.bin and replace it with a shell script that logs pstree and then does exec gpg-agent "$@", that way you would at least see what starts it
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01:56<jm_>exec gpg-agent.bin that is
01:56<JetpackJohn>jm_: Ahh... that's a good idea. Let me go try that. :)
01:58<twb>I actually use "ps faux" / "ps fux".
01:58<twb>The f makes it a bit like pstree
02:01<jm_>yeah I just learned that the other day when you mentioned it, didn't know ps can do that
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02:01<twb>"fux" usually captures my sentiment at the time, too
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02:02<jm_>the downside is it needs a wide terminal
02:02<twb>|less -S
02:02<JetpackJohn>twb: I typically use "xaf" myself, but in this case pstree is a lot quicker to read for the info I'm interested in.
02:02<twb>systemctl can also print process trees
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02:03<twb>There was a great one that did the rounds along the lines of alias fuck='sudo !!'
02:03<twb>(i.e. rerun the previous command, with sudo in front)
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02:07<robot_>I want to contribute in github. How should I start? Can anybody help?
02:08<jm_>robot_: you seem to be in a wrong channel
02:08<jm_>this is for debian support
02:09<robot_>I'm sorry. I want to contribute to debian. Can you give the channel where I can talk about this? Thanks.
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02:11<twb>robot_: try #debian-mentors
02:11<twb>Also apt-get install how-can-i-help
02:12<robot_>Thanks :)
02:12<twb>Also (where ubuntu & debian overlap)
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02:25<cookieburra>hello :)
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02:31<JetpackJohn>twb: Success! I tried your script-intercept idea and found the rogue gpg-agent, and I never would have found it otherwise. It's the damnedest thing... it was being launched by *pidgin* of all things. Still need to figure out just why it felt the need to launch gpg-agent, but at least I found the source.
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02:33<twb>That was jm's idea
02:33<twb>pidgin is probably doing it as a side effect of using libgnome-keyring or something
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02:34<twb>try stracing pidgin
02:34<twb>strace -fo/tmp/trace -etrace=process pidgin
02:34<JetpackJohn>jm_: Oh, sorry about that. Thank *you* very much. :)
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02:36<jm_>but even so why would it affect other processes since it can't hange env vars for those, or does it first kill the old process?
02:37<twb>jm_: they won't be able to share data, tho
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02:38<danielsh>there's 'gpg-agent --write-env-file', though
02:39<twb>The key of this problem is that environment can't be changed from outside once a process starts.
02:39<twb>And env is how gpg/ssh tell children where to find their daemons
02:40<danielsh>unless pidgin passes --write-env-file=foo to its gpg-agent and some shell does 'source foo' later.
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02:40<danielsh>I guess that's unlikely.
02:41<JetpackJohn>jm_: Part of the problem is that there are also sockets created, usually in /tmp. You're right that this clobbering shouldn't be an issue, but somewhere in the mess of running multiple copies of the agents as well as other processes which emulate the agents, the processes, PIDS, vars, and sockets start to get tangled.
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02:42<jm_>JetpackJohn: you can check which socket they listen on using lsof or netstat -nap
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02:45<JetpackJohn>Also compounding the issue, and what made me finally look into it, was that the connections to the agents would eventually stop working, often after resuming from a suspend, forcing me to manually restart the agents. This made the mess worse. I eventually tracked *that* problem down to systemd. In its default config it cleans up your temp files after 24 hours. Now you might have a gpg-agent process
02:45<JetpackJohn> running, but its socket just got deleted. Fortunately, this was easy to fix by simply making systemd wait much longer before cleaning.
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02:48<twb>kool-aid kids use ss(8) instead of netstat
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02:49<twb>systemd would probably tell you that instead of putting pidfiles in XDG_RUNTIME_DIR, gpg-agent should be patched to run as a socket-activated systemd user service
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02:50<jm_>it really deletes files in /tmp every 24h? i haven't noticed that so far but if it does so that's just stupid
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02:50<twb>Then the systemd --user daemon would remember the pid in its own memory heap, instead of in a file.
02:50<twb>jm_: no it cleans /run/user/1234
02:50<jm_>twb: yeah that's different
02:50<twb>That gets set to XDG_RUNTIME_DIR which is *probably* where the agents write their pidfiles by default
02:50<twb>Because that's exactly what the XDG *tells them to do*
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02:51<twb>Cleaning global /tmp of old *open* files can lead to resource denial attacks. It should be well documented under the tmpreaper package (possibly only in RHEL)
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02:53<c01d>Hello everybody. ATM I try to connect to some bluetooth device. Pairng in cli with bluetoothctl works fine. When I then say "connect <MAC ADR>" bluetoothctl says "connected" for a short while (few seconds). Even blueman shows some green symbols and so. But then there comes up an error message from bluez (Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.NotAvailable) .... and bluetoothctl says "connected: no". There are _many_ posts on different forums regardi
02:53<c01d>ng this. But there is absolutely no solution anywhere. Now, do YOU have an idea? :-)
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02:53<twb>c01d: I made it work from CLI for a keyboard, by trial-and-error
02:54<twb>c01d: bluetooth is a major pain if you do not use GUI, because GUI does undocumented things over dbus, that you have no idea about :/
02:54<twb>But bluez has changed from 4.x to 5.x since I did it, so I can't help much
02:54<twb>(None of the 4.x commands even exist anymore.)
02:54<c01d>twb, okay. sometimes it seems to get connected (approx 0.00001% of the times) .... did u use bluetoothctl or gui when you got your kbd to work?
02:55<twb>I used something like bluez-test-input and a couple of other commands
02:55<c01d>twb, yeah, I know that a lot has changed from 4 to 5 :-(
02:55<twb>I also had a hilarious problem where I booted the laptop into a GUI live CD to test if it worked for "normal people".
02:55<twb>It did, so I rebooted
02:55<twb>Then the keyboard would not pair, because it thought it was already paired to THE SAME LAPTOP
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02:56<twb>And I couldn't *unpair* it because the live CD's copy of the bt crypto keys were gone because I had rebooted!
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02:56<c01d>can't you simply re-pair? oO by typing the default pairing keys? .oO(?)
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02:57<twb>c01d: eh, I can't remember the details
02:57<twb>I did get it to work eventually
02:58<JetpackJohn>twb: Just took a look at the strace output from running pidgin. Beginning at line 4, pidgin starts trying to execve gpg-agent a bunch of times, trying each directory in my PATH until it finally succeeds with /usr/bin/gpg-agent. It's strange... I looked at the enabled plugins, sure that I would find the obvious cause there, but no such luck. Hmmm...
02:58<c01d>twb, anyway, thank you a lot for the time :-) I will continue google-ing ... :-/ (damn, I need this to use now .... or my boss kills me)
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02:58<twb>JetpackJohn: that's normal, see execvp
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02:59<twb>JetpackJohn: it's how $PATH is searched
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03:00<twb>c01d: my usual preference is to just use a wired device
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03:01<c01d>twb, mine too, usually. but this is some self-built device that needs to be used by radio .... no chance to use it wired (too long story)
03:01<twb>c01d: OK :-)
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03:10<JetpackJohn>Okay, pidgin->gpg-agent problem solved. The culprit was the openpgp plugin. I didn't notice at first becuase this plugin was *not* enabled. I didn't check myself, but according to Google this is a known bug and filed in the Debian BTS for the pidgin-openpgp package. I don't know anybody else using it so uninstalling it works fine.
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03:13<jm_>yeah bug #596244
03:13<judd>Bug in pidgin-openpgp (open): «pidgin: Starts and detaches extra gpg-agent process.»; severity: normal; opened: 2010-09-09; last modified: 2010-09-11.
03:15<JetpackJohn>Different question... for those of you still using an IM program, what do you use these days? Pidgin development seems to have ended long ago. I suppose my only real requirement is multi-protocol support, but is that even needed anymore? It looks like my online contacts are *all* connected via XMPP.
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03:16<JetpackJohn>judd: Heh, I guess there's not much chance this bug will be fixed any time soon. :)
03:16<jm_>judd is a bot btw
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03:18<JetpackJohn>jm_: Oh, oops. :) Didn't know about that one.
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03:48<JetpackJohn>Well, goodnight all. Many thanks for the help. I think I've got my ssh/gpg agent mess sorted out now. As for IM, I think I'll give Empathy a whirl. It supports all the protocols and has a simple interface. None of the pidgin plugins, but it seems I use IM on my computer (versus my phone) much less often these days, so it will likely meet all my needs.
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04:15<encfs>Is there a fstab generator for debian
04:20<babilen>encfs: {emacs,vim} + brain?
04:20<babilen>Not sure how you want it to work.
04:21<encfs>Well it seems to fail
04:21<babilen>does it?
04:21<encfs>so I assume I'm doing something wrong
04:21<encfs>I'm trying to install debian on btrfs subvolumes
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04:22<encfs>it doesn't load the volumes correctly, fstab is the first place to check right...
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04:23<encfs>babilen: ?
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04:27<jm_>did you do as i said 3 times by now - add debug to kernel parameters so that initramfs provides loads of useful info?
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04:30<encfs>jm_: I have a bunch of stuff from journalctl -xb and I don't understand it, it has alot of info, but nothing I can understand
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04:30<jm_>encfs: debugging from initramfs tools goes to /run/initramfs/initramfs.debug. by default
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04:31<jm_>didn't you say you have this working with arch linux?
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04:33<encfs>no, I quit on the btrfs subvols and installed it on plain partitions in virtualbox, so i could get used to using debian because this holdup has made it so I'm not even getting to use the OS
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04:44<encfs_>jm_: I had to restart prob with vbox, did you reply?
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05:07<nardev>guys, is there any way to fix this issue without reinstall i executed this on root / chown -R user:user *
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05:08<encfs_>Of course you can, but is it worth the effort? How long does it take to make a script with all of your installed programs, copy all of your config files n other stuff you want to keep
05:09<encfs_>vs how long it'll take to change every file back to it's original setting
05:10<nardev>encfs_, if somebody have Debian Jessie installed, that might help :/
05:10<encfs_>This is a linux question
05:10<encfs_>n a basic mistake
05:10<nardev>i know...
05:10<encfs_>I've made the same
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05:11<encfs_>it's a horrible habit that comes from windows
05:11<nardev>find / -printf "%u:%g %p\n" > permissions.txt
05:11<encfs_>did you come from windows
05:11<nardev>no i have no experience with windows, command was there but instead to complete it,.. enter
05:12<nardev>no i don' tuse windows for 10-12 years now
05:12<encfs_>oh... I made same mistake...
05:12<encfs_>cause windows, you have to change permissions all the time
05:12<encfs_>it's easy to not take lightly
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05:13<nardev>encfs_, would
05:13<nardev>installing without formatting
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05:13<nardev>the root partiton help?
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05:14<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
05:15<nardev>dpkg, :P
05:15<dpkg>methinks p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton
05:15<nardev>my mistake
05:16<nardev>encfs_, i thought if i reinstall the system
05:16<nardev>but don't format root partition,. let he system overwrite
05:16<nardev>what ever is there
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05:16<nardev>and than... just to reinstall the rest of applications?
05:16<nardev>would that fix the permissions?
05:16<encfs_>no way
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05:17<encfs_>there are so many files you fucked
05:17<encfs_>if you did chown to root
05:17<encfs_>then every file could be messed up
05:17<nardev>i did it to some other user:user
05:18<encfs_>then you could be find deleteing everything on their home directory
05:18<encfs_>if that's where you did it
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05:19<encfs_>I don't know...
05:19<encfs_>when I did it, I did it to /usr
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05:19<encfs_>so I messed up too many files
05:19<nardev>reinstall :( through mobile as AP
05:19<encfs_>it was over
05:19<nardev>i did it to /
05:19<nardev>so :(
05:19<nardev>even worse :P
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05:20<nardev>bye, goig to try reinstall
05:20<encfs_>good luck
05:20<themill>or you could look at the answer you were given elsewhere
05:20<themill>(hence crossposting being bad)
05:20<nardev>themill, funny off :P
05:21<nardev>i'm in dep shit
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06:19<michael_1>Test message, just checking if this works.
06:20<jm_>Test failed.
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06:22<michael_1>Haha. I moved to Debian recently to skip out on the Ubuntu stuff :)
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06:27<aborrero>michael_1: what is 'Ubuntu stuff'?
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06:28<aborrero>(just curious, I prefer you using debian)
06:28<michael_1>Ubuntu stuff as in the dash, slightly more bloat (not negative, just wanted a simpler system) and the whole kubuntu/ubuntu crisis
06:29<michael_1>I'm not positive the kubuntu/ubuntu thing actually happened, but it does sound like something Canonical would do.
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06:30<michael_1>In addition, Debian forced me to build my own application for the first time; Dolphin only has a binary for Ubuntu. That was an experience.
06:32<michael_1>I mean, I've used g++ in compiling programs I've written myself (I'm hoping to be a computer science major after all), but building a full-scale emulator was hella fun.
06:32<babilen>But dolphin is in Debian?
06:32<babilen>judd: v dolphin
06:32<judd>Package: dolphin on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-2; jessie: 4:4.14.2-1; stretch: 4:15.08.1-1; sid: 4:15.08.2-1
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06:33<michael_1>Oh, so sorry. I'm talking about the Dolphin Emulator.
06:34<michael_1>I forgot about the file browser.
06:34<babilen>Ah! Is it an aquatic simulator?
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06:34*themill throws babilen a fish
06:35<michael_1>Lol it's a Wii/Gamecube emulator, hella great Linux support and has ongoing development.
06:35<themill>,v dolphin-emu
06:35<judd>Package: dolphin-emu on amd64 -- stretch: 4.0.2+dfsg2-1+b1; sid: 4.0.2+dfsg2-1+b1; experimental: 5.0~rc33+dfsg-1
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06:36<themill>(looks quite backportable)
06:36<aborrero>michael_1: perhaps you could switch to debian stretch (testing) I don't see you using stable
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06:36<michael_1>The last time I tried to switch to Stretch, I broke Debian D:
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06:37<babilen>I don't necessarily think that's a good idea as runing stretch will be a bit tricky in the coming months still
06:37<aborrero>michael_1: bug reports welcome :-) I use stretch in all my personal machines with no problems
06:37<babilen>dpkg: tell michael_1 -about ssb
06:38<babilen>michael_1: Our bot (dpkg) just sent you a private message in which a procedure to backport newer packages from sid to jessie is detailed. That would allow you to compile dolphin-emu more easily than by doing so manually.
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06:39<michael_1>Oh, ok thanks a bunch! I already have Dolphin installed on my system (runs fantastically!), but I'll definitely look into it.
06:39<michael_1>I have to get ready for class, I'll be back around 10:00 EST :/ Thanks for the input, and talk to you later!
06:40<babilen>Have fun and see you later
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06:45<MarkedOne>Hello i need to write script..that will download many files trough scp
06:45<MarkedOne>that files are big approx 4GB so i want it to start download next only when previous has finished
06:45<MarkedOne>scp command looks like this
06:46<MarkedOne>scp -i ~/.ssh/audio-tribe-staging.pem -r admin@ ./cache_backup/
06:46<MarkedOne>how can i achieve this?
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06:46<jm_>why not use rsync instead?
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06:47<MarkedOne>problem is.. that every file is on different machine.. so IP addres is always different
06:48<MarkedOne>i only need to run all my scp commands in one script
06:48<jm_>well scp will not return the prompt until it finishes
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06:48<MarkedOne>yeah... so is it simple to write that shell script?
06:49<MarkedOne>i have basic knowledge of programming but i am newbie in bash scripting
06:49<jm_>well you could go for h in host1 host2; do scp foo@${h}:/bar/baz ./cache_backup; done
06:49<dpkg>[abs] The Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide, an in-depth exploration of the art of shell scripting, can be found at . Packaged for Debian as abs-guide in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls> or ask in #bash on and
06:51<MarkedOne>jm_: thank you.. i wil try
06:52<jm_>no problem
06:55<MarkedOne>jm_ will next download start only if previous has finished?
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06:55<MarkedOne>jm_ and what about check on failure in scp?
06:55<MarkedOne>connection lost or so
06:56<MarkedOne>will for loop break when one scp fails?
06:56<jm_>MarkedOne: no, you will need to check return code after the scp command
06:56<jm_>sh has facility to exit on failure, see "set -e"
06:56<jm_>but it's better practice to check for errors yourself
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06:57<MarkedOne>that would be better.. i want to print which file failed to download.. and print notification.. then continue
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06:58<MarkedOne>how can i check return code of command in script?
06:58<MarkedOne>sorry for stupid q.. i need to solve that problem fast :)
06:58<jm_>did you read ABS?
06:59<MarkedOne>not yet
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06:59<MarkedOne>oh okey
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07:02<MarkedOne>i think i know how to do it
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07:21<human>yop, when i start kde after dist-upgrade to "testing" after login i just have black screen, any idea ? Gpu intel
07:22<human>the only log i have in .xsession-errors is KActivities: FATAL ERROR: Failed to contact the activity manager deamon
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07:23<jm_>human: as the topic says, please ask in #debian-next for testing issues
07:24<diablo_>do you want a little some of magic?)
07:24<human>jm_ already did :)
07:28<MarkedOne>jm_ pls what is wrong here? if [$? = $0]; then echo "GOOD" fi
07:29<markybob>human, it's still off topic here. anyway, try as new user. if that works rename plasma 5 folder in the old user (in ~/.config)
07:29<human>markybob thx
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07:29<jm_>MarkedOne: if [ $? -eq 0 ]
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07:31<MarkedOne>thanks :)
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07:36<MarkedOne>probably dont work :(
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07:40<MarkedOne>hmm spaces probably
07:41<jm_>use the syntax I gave you with spaces
07:43<MarkedOne>jm_: yeah.. i didnt notice that :)
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07:55<rled>Hi! Anyone know what to do to get an infrared USB dongle to work?
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08:02<MarkedOne>jm_: it works.. thanks :)
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08:02<jm_>no problem
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08:09<rled>Irda anyone?
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08:11<jm_>i've only done that once way back with rs-232 and custom build, you should probably see something like /dev/ttyUSB* appear when you plug it in, or just look in /proc/devices
08:11<jm_>custom built IR receiver that is
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08:16<rled>jm_: Thanks, I'm slow at answering atm. But I'm thankful for the help. I'm looking into irda-utils. Nothing seems to be working out-of-the-box.
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08:17<jm_>rled: I have no experience with those, I only used it with lirc
08:17<rled>The dongle came with a Windows driver, could I Wine the driver?
08:17<jm_>but at least check if kernel detects the device and provides you with the device file, I suppose irda tools then expect a device file to work with
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08:21<jm_>off for me now
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09:44<blue_sky>in /etc/rsyslog.conf, under the RULES section, why do some file paths have a '-' at the beginning? I want to move cron jobs to their own log, but need to understand this file first.
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10:25<blue_sky>Found it! Google eventually found a result. Even the page I found says it's undocumented (nice). The page, says the leading '-' means "Don't sync after every write" ... so, if this channel is logged, maybe this info will be useful to someone.
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11:15<PovAddict>how do I turn off automatic periodic downloading of package lists and packages?
11:16<PovAddict>I just caught apt eating my precious phone-tethered bandwidth and ran 'sudo killall http' to stop it
11:17<PovAddict>but I don't want it to start again >_<
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11:20<duclicsic>PovAddict: afaik debian doesn't automatically download any of that unless you have installed a package to do it
11:21<PovAddict>I probably installed it years ago, and I actually find it handy that the package lists are always updated, and that when I run "aptitude upgrade" the .deb files are usually already downloaded
11:21<duclicsic>have you installed cron-apt maybe?
11:21<PovAddict>but not when I'm tethering 3G with super limited data!
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11:22<PovAddict>ok I messed with this even more than I remembered
11:22<PovAddict>I have an /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/11periodic that doesn't come from a package :)
11:22*PovAddict flips some 1s to 0s in it
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11:23<PovAddict>APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "0";
11:23<PovAddict>APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "0";
11:25<duclicsic>looks about right
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11:26<PovAddict>hmm /etc/cron.daily/apt already checks whether a laptop is on battery or on mains power...
11:26<PovAddict>maybe I could hack the script to check what network interface I'm on too
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11:53<EmleyMoor>I have a Cmnd_Alias in /etc/sudoers, and a user privilege specification to match it, but it seems to be ineffective as I get prompted for my password when a script calls one of the relevant commands
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12:09<pavan>Hello, I have a problem with WiFi connectivity issues in here
12:10<pavan>Anyone is expert in that matter are welcome to talk
12:10<centrx>in where
12:10<pavan>okay when i connect my debian pc to my wifi network all other devices connected to it lose internet connection
12:12<PovAddict>that's super weird
12:13<blast007>do you have a different access point to test? that could just be a crappy access point.
12:13<pavan>no i don't have another
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12:15<pavan>i think that has something to do with IP Address
12:16<blast007>ah, probably. Is the Debian system configured to use DHCP?
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12:16<pavan>because i see obtaining IP Address on my android mobile and it stops there
12:17<pavan>how to check it
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12:17<pavan>the DHCP thing
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12:24<EmleyMoor>Is there a maximum length for a Cmnd_Alias in sudoers?
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12:27<aborrero>EmleyMoor: the words 'maximun' and 'length' are not present in sudoers(5) or are unrelated. I guess there should be a limit, but big enough for you to don't worry
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12:28<EmleyMoor>aborrero: Well, I've got a "not working" situation... will experiment
12:28<aborrero>EmleyMoor: could you share it?
12:29<EmleyMoor>aborrero: Will do once I've proved it...
12:29<blast007>pavan: depends what you use to configure it.
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12:33<aborrero>pavan: perhaps you are running a dhcp server in your debian box
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12:34<pavan>what then
12:35<pavan>i can connect to that router using lan and all my other devices connected to its wlan work properly
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12:38<DrManhattan>How do I make partman-auto give my sda1 partition a 1MB offset on squeeze preseeded?
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12:43<pavan>blast007: help me out please
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12:50<aborrero>pavan: do you have installed installed in the debian box any of the following packages? isc-dhcp-server, dnsmasq
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12:51<DrManhattan>I humbly beg for assistance and offer my firstborn as compensation for your efforts
12:51<PovAddict>ugh babies
12:52<DrManhattan>You can always eat him. I've heard people veal is tasty.
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12:55<jelly>DrManhattan: wow, squeeze?
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13:02<blast007>pavan: we will need more information about your setup. How do you configure your wifi?
13:02<viccuad>why can't we have libfoo only, and we need libfoo and libfoo-1? shouldn't sonames be enough to tell them apart?
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13:02<pavan>blast007: what info do you need
13:03<blast007>pavan: read my second sentence :)
13:03<lindi->viccuad: you might want to have multiple versions installed at the same time
13:03<pavan>I have it configured with default settings
13:04<pavan>shall I tell you those settings
13:04<viccuad>lindi-: then why not package the new version .so inside the already existing libfoo? why a libfoo-1?
13:04<viccuad>lindi-: sonames should make programs decide what lib take
13:04<lindi->viccuad: libfoo would contain both versions?
13:04<blast007>pavan: I mean, what tool or method do you use to configure it?
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13:05<pavan>i use the gnome's gui
13:05<PovAddict>viccuad: I wouldn't want a single libwireshark package to include multiple 66MB libraries with different sonames
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13:09<MRTRON>Guys Hi
13:10<MRTRON>Can somebody help me, I have instlled kali with usb but after restart I see this errors?
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13:11<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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13:11<blast007>pavan: did you check in there that it's set to use DHCP? when your wifi is connected, what IP does it get assigned? is it the same as your router's IP?
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13:12<MRTRON>IDK I connected ethernet cabel
13:12<MRTRON>and still got
13:13<blast007>MRTRON: please join the appropriate IRC network and channel for help with Kali. We only support Debian. See the message that dpkg spit out above.
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13:14<MRTRON>What network to choose to get in #kali-linux chat?
13:14<DrManhattan>jelly: yes, squeeze. Not my choice - i'd be on jessie if I could
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13:15<blast007>MRTRON: it is specifically mentioned by dpkg right after the channel
13:15<DrManhattan>How do I make partman-auto give my sda1 partition a 1MB offset on squeeze preseeded? You can have my children, an internal organ, or a month with my ex-gf for help
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13:38<blast007>pavan: did you see my three questions?
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13:42<ckosloff>In a VM with jessie I am consistently having trouble updating from, is anybody else having this issue?
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13:45<ckosloff>now httpredir does not work either
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13:45<blast007>ckosloff: are you getting a specific error?
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13:50<pavan_>When I connect my Debian PC to my WiFi router my PC doesn't get internet if other devices are connected to it .
13:50<pavan_>When i disconnect those devices and connect my Debian PC only then my PC connects to internet but other devices connected to it later do not get inernet connection.
13:50<pavan_>When I connect my Debian PC using LAN Cable to the same router all devices work fine.
13:50<pavan_>How do I solve this issue?
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13:52<pavan71198>When I connect my Debian PC to my WiFi router my PC doesn't get internet if other devices are connected to it .
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13:54<blast007>pavan71198: "did you check in there [your Gnome's wifi configuration tool] that it's set to use DHCP? when your wifi is connected, what IP does it get assigned? is it the same as your router's IP?"
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14:00<ckosloff>blast007: just a moment. I am in a VM
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14:10<pavan71198>When I connect my Debian PC to my WiFi router my PC doesn't get internet if other devices are connected to it .
14:10<pavan71198>When I connect my Debian PC to my WiFi router my PC doesn't get internet if other devices are connected to it .
14:10<pavan71198>When I connect my Debian PC to my WiFi router my PC doesn't get internet if other devices are connected to it .
14:10<pavan71198>When I connect my Debian PC to my WiFi router my PC doesn't get internet if other devices are connected to it .
14:11<pavan71198>When I connect my Debian PC to my WiFi router my PC doesn't get internet if other devices are connected to it .
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14:11<PEB>pavan71198: when you flood a channel to get some help, you don't get anything
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14:13<DrManhattan>How do I make partman-auto give my sda1 partition a 1MB offset on squeeze preseeded? You can have my children, an internal organ, or a month with my ex-gf for help
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14:16<brandon>My name should change in a bit ... not registered here as brandon
14:16<brandon>I just want to ask if there is an iso of debian with Joe's WM?
14:17<brandon>Private or anywhere
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14:22<ckosloff>You mean Joe Biden?
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14:24<ckosloff>blast007: u there?
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14:24<ckosloff>does anybody have trouble with dist-upgrade in jessie
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14:32<blast007>ckosloff: looks like that specific redirect server you're getting may be having issues. You could try using (or similar) instead.
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14:33<ckosloff>blast007: I already tried the US server, no luck same old
14:34<blast007>can you access the specified URL in your host system's browser?
14:35<brandon>Not quite Biden, no.
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14:36<ckosloff>blast007: yes, it works there, I am going to paste my sources.list, maybe you can spot an error
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14:37<blast007>ckosloff: if your virtual NIC is set to use NAT, maybe try bridged instead?
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14:40<PovAddict>is it possible to reset the packet statistics shown in ifconfig?
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14:40<ckosloff>blast007: I have all my VMs set to NAT and they work, but I can always try
14:41<blast007>brandon: I don't think there's an *installation* ISO with jwm on it. But I did see it on the 6th Debian Jessie 8.2.0 DVD ISO. Probably easier to just netinst and install it via apt-get, though.
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14:43<brandon>I had trouble getting off the main menu in several versions ... I know there is a way to solve that but to me I think I am just gonna move the hard drive to a different cpu for that purpose.
14:44<ckosloff>blast007: same error when set to bridged, there must be something wrong in the mirrors
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14:45<ckosloff>I give up
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16:35<nikolas>is this working xD
16:36<danke>yep, it is
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16:36<nikolas>i have question
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16:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:37<nikolas>can this program be used and configured to comunicate with only computers on lan
16:37<PovAddict>what is 'this program'?
16:37<nikolas>chat program xD
16:37<PovAddict>we don't know what chat program you're using
16:37<PovAddict>there's hundreds of IRC clients
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16:38<PovAddict>if you want to use IRC for LAN-only chat, you would have to install an IRC server in some computer in the LAN
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16:39<nikolas>okay do you have any suggestions on what IRC server package is good stable etc.
16:39<PovAddict>nope, never tried doing that
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16:39<nikolas>okay thanks
16:39<Blabla>any one from Microsoft?
16:40<nikolas>like employee xD
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16:40<PovAddict>what would a Microsoft employee be doing in this channel of all places?
16:40<nikolas>he asked anyone from microsoft
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16:40<Blabla>how much cost new windows?
16:40<nikolas>i dont know any town nor country called microsoft
16:41<danke>how much have you got?
16:41<nikolas>its free if u upgrade from original version 7 8.0 or 8.1
16:41<danke>launa apparently will double glaze your whole house
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16:41<Blabla>how much cost XP
16:41<nikolas>u cant upgrade from xp
16:42<nikolas>7 is the oldest version u can upgrade from to win 10
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16:42<danke>xp costs your security, it's not longer supported
16:42<nikolas>actually it is
16:42<nikolas>on 1 machine i have xp and i recieve updates still xD
16:42<danke>have they extended it again? i thought it was only governments that have gotten extensions?
16:43<nikolas>there is too many users
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16:43<nikolas>fro example
16:43<nikolas>dentist office in my town
16:43<nikolas>has xp
16:43<Blabla>where can i buy XP?
16:43<nikolas>but u cant upgrade from xp to win 10
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16:43<danke>they claim it ended last year
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16:44<Blabla>any one from Microsoft?
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16:44<danke>why are you asking in the irc channel for a free software operating system?
16:44<nikolas>win is not free
16:45<nikolas>it costs
16:45<nikolas>it cousts your freedom
16:45<nikolas>as Stallman would say xD
16:45<danke>it costs your privacy too now
16:45<nikolas>freedom ~ privacy
16:45<Blabla> i dont like Linux
16:45<danke>i had a windows install, that upgraded to 10. it was telling me that i had to create microsoft accounts for my children
16:46<danke>one of which is 2 years old. no thanks.
16:46<nikolas>u should use it at least for 3 moths to adopt
16:46<nikolas>u can use local accounts
16:46<nikolas>use your account to login
16:46<danke>can, but it's remove several features from the local accounts without warning
16:46<nikolas>in options (somewhere i dont remember)
16:47<misterhat>danke: i think it's fair for microsoft to ask your 2 year old for an account if they want to use it for good intentions like advertising and adapting to the windows lifestyle
16:47<danke>and is nagging me about "upgrading" the local accounts to ms accounts
16:47<Blabla> any Bill Gates here?
16:47<Hydroxide>everyone - if you want to discuss topics other than Debian, please move to #debian-offtopic or somewhere else. This is not the place to praise or criticise windows - windows is off-topic here except in limited cases like "I have windows and need to know how to install debian."
16:47<nikolas>well make them fake children accounts xD
16:47<nikolas>put pics of 30 year old man xD
16:47<danke>parental controls. the time limits / online filtering are gone
16:48<danke>ah, yeah. sorry
16:48<nikolas>how do you mean gone
16:48<nikolas>all those restrictions?
16:48<nikolas>they removed it
16:48<danke>yes, gone
16:48<blast007>nikolas: please read what Hydroxide said
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16:48<Blabla>Bill help my
16:48<nikolas>i dont care im 20 dont have problems with that xD
16:48<danke>anyway, Debian is awesome. Jessie is the best version yet
16:48<nikolas>but in 10 years from now i probably will xD
16:49<nikolas>use something derivated from redhat
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16:49<nikolas>like centos
16:49<danke>I can leave my children using it without worries about them being innundated with advertising, nagged for credit cards, or tracked
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16:49<nikolas>just install adblocker in iceweasle
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16:50<blast007>nikolas / danke: This is a Debian support channel. Do you have a Debian support question? If not, there are other channels for chit chat.
16:50<danke>i moved away from debian for years, i thought the release cycle was too slow. now i have children it's perfect. the knowledge that my systems will be stable for years without worry is such a relief
16:50<danke>will do, sorry
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16:50<nikolas>yea but it is because it has only stable software
16:50<Hydroxide>blast007: to be fair, they did switch topics to Debian rather than Windows... but indeed you're right to point out that general chatter should move to #debian-offtopic or somewhere else to leave space for user support questions.
16:51<nikolas>they are not bleading edge distro like arch
16:51<Hydroxide>(even general chatter about Debian. brief off-topic exchanges happen in lots of cases, but this is going on for a while)
16:52<nikolas>i have questions about debian
16:52<nikolas>why would/should i use debian besides all other distros
16:52<nikolas>what are specific pros of debian
16:53<nikolas>except stable releases
16:53<PovAddict>I tried the rpm world and I tried the apt/dpkg world
16:53<PovAddict>and I stick to apt
16:53<Hydroxide>nikolas: you'd use it if it meets your needs best. we're also not going to be attacking other linux distros here :) but some reasons I like it are the high quality assurance, the predictable behavior and integration, the community, and yes the stability
16:54<danke>the size of the repository is incredible too. huge number of ready packaged applications
16:54<PovAddict>I also used to use Kubuntu and moved to Debian, but that was long ago and can't say I remember my exact reasons :)
16:54<nikolas>the predictable behaviour and integration are other words used to describe stability
16:54<nikolas>what else
16:55<nikolas>yea repo
16:55<nikolas>forgot that
16:55<blast007>nikolas: you're free to grab a live DVD to take it for a spin
16:55<Hydroxide>nikolas: it does not only mean stability, no. for example I know that Debian packages install their config files into /etc, log files into /var/log, and so forth
16:55<Hydroxide>nikolas: they also typically put some form of documentation into /usr/share/doc/<packagename>, often have a man page, etc.
16:55<danke>it focuses on free software heavily, without blocking proprietary applications if that's needed
16:56<PovAddict>danke: indeed
16:56<danke>yeah. the packaging is very consistent
16:56<nikolas>etc and /var/log is typical linux filesystem xD
16:56<nikolas>every distro has man pages
16:56<PovAddict>if I *have* to install a proprietary piece of software, I'd rather get it from debian/non-free than from the installer crapware the developer provides
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16:56<Hydroxide>nikolas: yes, Debian is simply more consistent about enforcing those norms than a lot of other distros. some other distros ship man pages written by Debian because of this
16:56<ubertwinkie>how do fix soud sound card works intel card
16:56<Hydroxide>nikolas: certainly Debian typically follows the standards in these regards.
16:56<nikolas>except CLI software from small group of people that is not documented at all
16:57<Hydroxide>nikolas: anyway, other distros have merit too. if one of your use cases requires a different set of priorities, a different choice might be right for that.
16:57<danke>yeah, i was using ubuntu at work recently. i installed gnome desktop, and i got the debian logo as a wallpaper
16:57*Hydroxide grins at danke
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16:58<nikolas>ubuntu xD
16:58<PovAddict>as long as you have a legitimate reason to choose that distro...
16:58<nikolas>that is like microsoft/linux not gnu/linuxx
16:58<Hydroxide>danke: yeah nearly all packages in ubuntu come from Debian either unmodified or with slight modifications. there are certainly some which they originate or change dramatically, but that's nowhere near most of the code they ship
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16:59<danke>yep, it's not a complaint either. it makes me happy to see the sharing
16:59<PovAddict>I still see teens using distros targeted at security / penetration testing because they want to look like l33t h4x0rz, and don't really need any of those security tools, they just use a web browser and an IRC client :P
16:59<nikolas>hahah ture
16:59*Hydroxide nods at both danke and PovAddict
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17:01<nikolas>thanks for ur time bye
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17:11<adrian15>Can I assume that any Debian installation has /bin/bash ? Thank you.
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17:12<Hydroxide>adrian15: I think that's something you can assume for all currently released versions, yes. I'm not sure that it will necessarily be guaranteed for every future versions since after all /bin/sh no longer points to bash by default.
17:13<Hydroxide>adrian15: what is the reason you neeed to make this assumption?
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17:14<Hydroxide>adrian15: the specific assumption you can make is that all binary packages for the current architecture (and all architecture-independent binary packages) with Essential: yes in their metadata will be installed. bash is one such package.
17:14<adrian15>Hydroxide: I'm the main Rescatux developer. Some our scripts are run on the chroots of the e.g. Installed Debian. So I need to be able to write an script that it's understood. Moreover I want to run chroot /mnt/partition /bin/bash to make sure /bin/bash it's always used
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17:15<adrian15>hybridwipe: Ok, I guess that's fine for me.
17:16<Hydroxide>adrian15: okay. that is currently a safe assumption. if you want to be future-proof and also portable to other environments like busybox or BSD you can use /bin/sh and stick with the subset of bash which complies with the POSIX sh specification.
17:16<Hydroxide>adrian15: but I haven't heard of any plans to drop bash as a default preinstall. it's still the default interactive user shell even though /bin/sh now defaults to something else :)
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17:17<Hydroxide>adrian15: if your scripts depend on bashisms and might ever be executed directly rather than being passed as a commandline argument after /bin/bash, be sure they start with #!/bin/bash rather than #!/bin/sh and then you should be set
17:18<adrian15>Hydroxide: Yeah, I know that something like that existed because when I contribute back to Debian Live and alike they take care about getting rid of bashishms. I just want to avoid dealing with these issues right now.
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17:19<adrian15>Hydroxide: Yeah, I long ago learnt that it was easier to maintain if you forced the sheebang that if you initially programmed for. Not so portable but easier for me.
17:19<Hydroxide>adrian15: np. so prefer #!/bin/bash to #!/bin/sh in the shebang lines, prefer explicitly calling bash or /bin/bash to sh or /bin/sh, and that should work as long as Debian ships bash.
17:20<Hydroxide>(unless something very low-likelihood happens about changing the path but I wouldn't worry about that)
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17:42<catern>is debian going to kill off ifupdown in favor of networkd?
17:42<catern>(i hope so)
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18:01<EmleyMoor>Why do I still get prompted for my password when I call scripts using sudo to run the commands in VMMOUNT alias? /etc/sudoers
18:02<EmleyMoor>I belong to group kvm, so why the failure?
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18:09<pepe>hi guys!
18:09<pepe>am I the only one who is having problems with the touch pad?
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18:31<EmleyMoor>pepe: define "problems"
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18:33<folial>hi folks!! with Jessie I have troubles with my nvidia driver: constant ui freeze... any hint?
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19:59<zykotick9>actually, i'm have gui ui freezing as well - but with intel. seems to be related to opengl output - mpv/xbmc prone to cause issue, while vlc does not. killing the app from virtual console "sorta" functions as a work around... just sharing.
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23:08<MANG>hi i search wifi hack
23:08<MANG>wifi keyhack ap
23:09<PovAddict>you want to connect to a wi-fi access point that you don't know the password for?
23:09<PovAddict>I'm pretty sure that's technically illegal in most countries and you won't get help about it here
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23:29<MANG>hi wo is turk dark
23:31<MANG>i need very good union site
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