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00:28<danielsh>I'm looking for an application that takes a pastebin URL and downloads the 'raw' version of the paste. eg, 'foo http://pastebin.com/foobar' should curl the raw paste into stdout. I found I found https://github.com/e36freak/read_paste, are there alternatives?
00:29<PovAddict>I wrote one myself
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00:29<PovAddict>it recently broke with pastebin.com :/
00:29<PovAddict>because pastebin.com expects a proper referer in raw URLs
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00:30<danielsh>easy enough to fake that :)
00:30<PovAddict>yeah but not with the way my script was working
00:30<danielsh>or for that matter to hit the "non-raw" url and discard the output...
00:30<danielsh>that e36freak thing does work with pastebin.com, I just tested it
00:30<PovAddict>which was to feed the raw URL straight into an HTTP-supporting text editor :)
00:31<PovAddict>can't mess with headers if I do that :P
00:31<danielsh>http://sprunge.us/LTEB
00:31<danielsh>hmm, that might be a false positive, I did visit the non-raw paste there in $BROWSER
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00:32<danielsh>anyway, is your code online ?
00:32<PovAddict>nah it's a hackish script for my own use
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00:32<danielsh>not to be rude, but I'm try to stay focus - I'm looking for solutions
00:32<danielsh>*nod* no problem
00:33<danielsh>I'll probably either build on top of e36freak's solution, or roll my own... can't be _that_ hard to maintain a map of patterns
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00:33<PovAddict>if given a pastebin URL (from a very limited list), my script opens the raw URL in a text editor, for anything else it launches a browser on the original URL
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00:33<PovAddict>then I made that script the configured "browser" in my IRC client, so if I click a pastebin link it opens in a text editor, and if I click anything else it opens normally :)
00:34<danielsh>elegant ☺
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00:47<asdffff>?
00:48<danielsh>!
00:48<asdffff>they still trying to have sex with it.....
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02:19<ThomasKeller>in debian, the permissions for /sbin are 755
02:19<ThomasKeller>event though only root has /sbin in PATH
02:19<ThomasKeller>is there any reason for not setting /sbin to 700 ?
02:19<jm_>yes, users can run the tools from /sbin too
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02:21<ThomasKeller>should not such tools be in /bin instead ?
02:21<danielsh>the contents of /sbin aren't secret, users could run 'dpkg -S /sbin' even if /sbin were 0700
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02:23<jm_>/sbin has tools for administrative tasks, but that doesn't mean user can't run them, take mkfs/fsck/ifconfig for example
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02:23<jm_>and yes, the distinction is not always that great for all those tools
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03:28<PaulePanter>Hi. Using Debian 8.2 (Jessie/stable), how can I clear the local DNS cache?
03:29<PaulePanter>$ grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf
03:29<PaulePanter>hosts: files dns
03:29<PaulePanter>And `dig @192.168.x.1 example.net` shows the right IP.
03:29<PaulePanter>But with `host example.net` I still get the old IP.
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03:30<jm_>and which server is host using then?
03:31<PaulePanter>jm_: Some cache.
03:32<jm_>PaulePanter: uhh use host -vvvv and it will tell you which
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03:35<PaulePanter>jm_: You are right. For whatever reason the DNS server sents different responses.
03:35<PaulePanter>http://paste.debian.net/317394/
03:36<jm_>PaulePanter: is it the same IP you used in dig command?
03:36<jm_>ahh it is
03:38<ivanb>Hello! OS: Debian 8.1, package: awstat 7.2 - where is the /usr/share/doc/awstats/examples/awstats.model.conf.gz archive in this version?
03:38<PaulePanter>jm_: Very strange. I hope that query is not cached.
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03:41<PaulePanter>jm_: How could I check if calling `host` actually results in a DNS query?
03:42<PaulePanter>I run it trough `strace` but didn’t spot it in there.
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03:44<jm_>PaulePanter: have you used -f?
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03:45<jm_>PaulePanter: alternative: tcpdump -w /tmp/dump.out -s 0 host 192.168.180.1
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03:45<asdffff>180?
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03:46<wowaname`>oy vey
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03:48<PaulePanter>jm_: No, I did not use the switch `-f`.
03:48<jm_>PaulePanter: then do it
03:48<PaulePanter>jm_: 2116 sendmsg(20, {msg_name(16)={sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(53), sin_addr=inet_addr("192.168.180.1")}, msg_iov(1)=[{"\202\305\1\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\nshmh-login\vuiae"..., 43}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=0}, 0) = 43
03:49<PaulePanter>jm_: Yeah, was just slow typing.
03:49<PaulePanter>jm_: Thank you.
03:49<PaulePanter>So I have no idea, why the DNS querys return different results.
03:49<PaulePanter>The router is an AVM FRITZ!Box.
03:49<PaulePanter>Very strange.
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03:50<jm_>PaulePanter: me neither, you can see query/answer details in wireshark
03:50<jm_>there must be some difference I suppose
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03:52<PaulePanter>Yeah. I’ll do that later. Thanks a lot for your help!
03:53<jm_>no worries
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04:02<ivanb>I see no /usr/share/doc/awstats/examples/awstats.model.conf.gz archive on the Debian 8.1 with awstat 7.2 - is it supposed to be like that? Is there anyone to confirm this?
04:04<PaulePanter>ivanb: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/awstats/filelist
04:05<PaulePanter>I have no idea why it was removed, but it’s not there.
04:05<jm_>why do you think the file should be there?
04:09<PaulePanter>I guess, ivanb knows it from an earlier package version.
04:10<ivanb>yes
04:10<ivanb>it is present on Debian 7.0 with awstat 7.0
04:10<jm_>changelog mentions some changes how package is built so perhaps it was lost with that, submit a bug I guess
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04:19<stemid>I have a wheezy where new users suddenly get UIDs above 30000 for some reason. this has changed in the last year but I have no idea when. users created before that were 1000 and up. UID_MIN is 1000 and UID_MAX is 60000, unchanged since install.
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04:19<stemid>this is of course when I run useradd without -u and -g
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04:19<stemid>as I always do
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04:28<jm_>stemid: it does that once you have an entry with high uid
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04:32<stemid>I see
04:33<jm_>it's also documented in the man page, so I suppose the question for you is why was once a user with uid 30000 added
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04:33<umlaeute>what's the easiest way to send an email to the maintainer(s) of a package?
04:34<umlaeute>is there some mail-alias (something like <pkgname>@maintainer.d.o)?
04:34<stemid>jm_: but it doesn't add up http://paste.debian.net/317399/
04:34<stemid>that list was made after I removed the new 30k users I've been creating when I discovered the issue.
04:34<jm_>stemid: sorry, I don't get it, what doesn't add up?
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04:35<stemid>jm_: I checked all the users in passwd, none of them had high uids. except nobody
04:35<jm_>stemid: ok so what happens if you add a new user now?
04:36<stemid>uid=30020(testuser) gid=30020(testuser) grupper=30020(testuser),33(www-data),105(ssh)
04:36<stemid>sudo useradd -d /home/testuser -m -s /bin/bash -G ssh,www-data testuser
04:36<umlaeute>ah, its <pkgname>@packages.d.o
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04:37<stemid>the system is AD connected using samba, AD users use a range like 2000-4999 and 10000-49999. but it's been AD connected for years now, even when I created the last local users on it that received normal UIDs.
04:37<jspiros>in my fstab, I have the first few local filesystems, then a couple NFS filesystems, /then/ one more local filesystem that mounts underneath one of the NFS mountpoints
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04:37<jm_>ok so use getent instead of awk -F: '{print $3,$1}' /etc/passwd|sort -n
04:37<jspiros>this /never/ mounts correctly automatically, I always have to do "mount -a" after waiting a while, to get that last mount up
04:37<jspiros>does anyone have any suggestion for how to get this working properly?
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04:38<stemid>jm_: yes if it goes by getent then you're right, the UIDs are high due to AD.
04:38<stemid>getent prints all the users in the directory
04:38<stemid>several hundreds, with high UIDs
04:38<jm_>stemid: yeah, that's it, the code use getpwent
04:38<stemid>I see, thanks!
04:38<jm_>no problem
04:38<stemid>in that case I'll just start specifying the -u and -g when I create local users. to keep them around 1000 like the rest.
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04:42<jm_>jspiros: you can't really do this reliably using fstab
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04:43<jspiros>jm_: any recommendations?
04:46<jm_>jspiros: with systemd you could do this using RequiresMountsFor I suppose
04:47<jspiros>hmm
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05:05<stemid>I removed some physical disks from a VM and now pvs shows IO errors. I've done for host in /sys/class/scsi_host/host?; do echo '- - - '|sudo tee $host/scan; done to try and rescan all scsi controllers but it didn't help. I know a reboot will probably solve it.
05:05<stemid>but it's just annoying to see those errors everytimg I run pvs now
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05:13<join240j_>Hello!!!
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05:14<join240j_>Help me please witch Theme black mate?
05:14<join240j_>I have Firefox , and witch theme blackmate , I have bugs witch colors text
05:15<join240j_>Any one know how fix?
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05:21<join240j>any one can help me witch debian 8.2 Mate - theme black mate?
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05:22<join240j>i have firefox and witch that theme "blackmate" bad colors witch text
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05:39<join240j_>any one can help me witch debian 8.2 Mate - theme black mate?
05:39<join240j_> i have firefox and witch that theme "blackmate" bad colors witch text
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05:40<deb>any one can help me witch firefox colors text on debian mate theme "black mate"????
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05:44<EmleyMoor>Why do I still get prompted for my password when I call scripts using sudo to run the commands in VMMOUNT alias? This has started ever since a hardware upgrade... /etc/sudoers http://paste.debian.net/317371/
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05:44<join240j__>any one can help me witch firefox colors text on debian mate theme "black mate"????
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05:46<duclicsic>join240j__: your question is not intelligible, and it doesn't really sound like a debian question anyway
05:47<jm_>and it doesn't help repeating it every 5-10 minutes
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05:48<stemid>EmleyMoor: I assume you're in the kvm group
05:49<stemid>I think you can omit the (root) part if you're sudoing to root anyways. also I would try visudo -cf /etc/sudoers just to make sure syntax is ok.
05:50<join240j__>I have a problem with the colors in the theme Black-Mate in Debian 8.2 Mate
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05:51<deb>duclicsic: I have a problem with the colors in the theme Black-Mate in Debian 8.2 Mate
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05:57<join240j__>I have a problem with the colors in the theme Black-Mate in Debian 8.2 Mate, any one can help?((
06:00<SynrG>so far as I know, if you use the default mate theme, colors are fine. where does Black-Mate come from? if it's not from debian, it's not supported here.
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06:02<SynrG>or do you mean BlackMATE in mate-themes?
06:02<SynrG>join240j__: what's the problem? you haven't described it.
06:03<SynrG>nobody can help you if you don't describe your problem
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06:05<deb>I have a problem with the colors in the theme Black-Mate in Debian 8.2 Mate
06:05<deb>i dont see in firefox text (bug colors witch blackmate theme)
06:06<SynrG>deb: what do you mean by "firefox". there is no firefox in debian
06:06<SynrG>only iceweasel
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06:06<deb>yes iceweasel have
06:06<jm_>tried preventing web pages from setting their own colours?
06:06<deb>yes
06:07<deb>u didI do not see anything when typing
06:08<SynrG>deb: there is a setting in iceweasel, is what jm_ means. did you try it?
06:08<join240j__>yes i try
06:08<join240j__>but false(
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06:09<jm_>that setting works fine for me
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06:11<deb>i think that my problem, but dont work http://debianforum.ru/index.php?topic=8573.0
06:11<deb>((
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06:12<deb>https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-themes/tree/master/desktop-themes/BlackMATE
06:12<deb>look that please
06:12<SynrG>did you correct the path to userContent.css to point at the correct path for you?
06:12<deb>think yes
06:13<deb>but i dont see that link
06:13<deb>url(
06:13<deb>i make this file but dont work((
06:15<deb>i make here /home/deb/.mozilla/firefox folder crome and in file userContent.css
06:15<deb>right?
06:16<SynrG>no.
06:16<deb>Ooo
06:16<jm_>it's .mozilla/firefox/*.default/chrome
06:16<jm_>*.default is random string
06:16<SynrG>deb: ~/.mozilla/firefox should already exist. in it there should be a randomly-generated id
06:17<deb>where i can see folder .mozilla?
06:17<SynrG>in your home dir
06:17<SynrG>did you not already have /home/deb/.mozilla/firefox? you shouldn't have to create that.
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06:17<deb>full url can show?
06:17<deb>i dont undestand where it (((
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06:18<jm_>cd ~/.mozilla/firefox && ls
06:19<deb>there is no such directory
06:20<deb>No such file or directory
06:20<jm_>did you type it exactly like that?
06:20<deb>i have folder mozilla only here /home/deb/.mozilla/firefox (((
06:21<deb>yes i copy and paste your msg
06:22<jm_>and ~ does not expand to /home/deb or what? what is your home dir set to?
06:22<deb>/home/deb/
06:22<deb>yes
06:23<deb>/home/deb/.mozilla/firefox/chrome/userContent.css -
06:23<deb>i make here
06:23<deb>but dont work(
06:23<jm_>we already said that's wrong
06:23<deb>okay(
06:23<deb>but how?(
06:23<SynrG>what is in /home/deb/.mozilla?
06:24<deb>3jzvyri7.default - folder
06:24<deb>OoO
06:24<deb>i see
06:24<deb>now))
06:24<deb>crhome
06:24<deb>thx not try)
06:25<petn-randall>!enter
06:25<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
06:26<SynrG>deb: do you mean you have this path? /home/deb/.mozilla/3jzvyri7.default
06:26<deb>yes yes))
06:26<deb>i make
06:26<deb>now try ))
06:26<SynrG>i don't understand it. that's not supposed to be there.
06:26<deb>wait)) and thx all
06:26<SynrG>not on a debian system, anyway
06:26<SynrG>deb: what release of debian are you on?
06:26<deb>sorry))
06:27<deb>but that standart instalation debian
06:27<deb>i install in debian.org
06:27<petn-randall>deb: Pleas stop hitting enter every three words, it makes it hard for others to follow.
06:27<jm_>that would explain why cd ~/.mozilla/firefox failed though
06:27<SynrG>oh, right. you said Debian 8.2
06:27<deb>debian mate ))
06:27<SynrG>"debian mate" is not a release of debian
06:27<deb>sorry
06:27<SynrG>mate is software, that runs on Debian
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06:28<SynrG>deb: did you copy your home directory from somewhere else when you installed it?
06:28<SynrG>or did Debian create this for you?
06:28<deb>sorry sorry )) but here only verry good support))
06:29<deb>dont copy
06:29<deb>wow
06:29<deb>its work)) iceweacel good fonts have
06:29<deb>now)))
06:30<SynrG>glad we could help. but i still don't understand the non-standard location of your profile.
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06:31<deb>very big thank its my mistake, I just did not pay attention to the folder I just did not pay attention to the folder
06:31<deb>soExcuse for troubling(
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06:32<deb>why not standart profile?
06:32<SynrG>it seems you have a non-standard configuration of iceweasel that puts your profile folder in a different place from everyone else
06:32<deb>i think that standart hm..
06:32<deb>that standart )))
06:32<deb>i download that debian 8.0 in debian.org
06:32<SynrG>it should be in a subdirectory under ~/.mozilla/firefox/
06:33<deb>i can give you link
06:33<SynrG>and you did no other configuration to iceweasel?
06:33<deb>yes that directory make automatic
06:33<deb>no other
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06:33<deb>but i download iceweasel 10ru
06:33<deb>mb that?
06:33<SynrG>this is a non-standard iceweasel, not from Debian?
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06:34<deb>no))
06:34<SynrG>oh, a localization package?
06:34<deb>This iceweasel already been installed in the system
06:34<SynrG>i don't think that would cause this problem.
06:34<deb>yes localization package install only
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06:35<SynrG>you mean iceweasel-l10n-ru
06:35<SynrG>yeah. that wouldn't cause this
06:35<deb>iceweasel-l10n-ru - ye that
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06:35<deb>only
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06:36<deb>iceweasel have in standart instalation debian mate)
06:36<SynrG>i tested myself, moving my ~/.mozilla, and starting iceweasel to force it to create a fresh directory. it created a ~/.mozilla/firefox and put the default profile in that.
06:36<deb>)))
06:36<jm_>same here, it still creates ~/.mozilla/firefox even today (though I use the version from mdn)
06:36<deb>debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-mate-desktop.iso
06:36<deb>that install))
06:36<deb>and weasel here))
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06:37<SynrG>if i have some time later i will boot that image and see if i can reproduce your result. but i am busy now.
06:37<deb>i have one more instalation same debian
06:37<deb>and folder same))
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06:38<deb>/home/debian/.mozilla/firefox/v03bsxvl.default
06:38<deb>look))
06:38<deb>aahahha
06:38<SynrG>is that from a second system?
06:38<deb>)))
06:38<deb>yes
06:38<deb>)))
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06:39<SynrG>that second system is installed from the same live image?
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06:39<deb>yes
06:39<deb>same
06:39<deb>image))
06:39<SynrG>i wonder what you did to break it, then :(
06:39<deb>second )
06:39<deb>aghaha
06:40<deb>)))
06:40<SynrG>is it possible you moved the directory?
06:40<deb>nono
06:40<deb>that standart instalation
06:40<deb>only localization))
06:40<deb>mb you try install 10ru?
06:40<deb>)))
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06:40<SynrG>no. it won't make a difference. i can't see how.
06:40<deb>)))
06:41<SynrG>it's supposed to only contain localizations.
06:41<deb>in that iso have iceweasel
06:41<SynrG>well, i guess i can try. sec. :)
06:41<deb>i dont install that product
06:41<deb>only install localization))
06:42<SynrG>there's no guarantee i will have the same issue. i'm on a later debian release.
06:43<SynrG>but it's worth me trying, anyway
06:44<deb>hm
06:44<deb>)) dunno
06:45<deb>if u remember i ask you 2 day ago about "i cant reboot system" (join240j)
06:45<deb>that problem in my bios (i change to ide)
06:45<deb>and now ok restart
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06:46<SynrG>good
06:46<deb>))
06:46<deb>that error not in debian))
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06:46<deb>debian its perfect))
06:47<deb>watchdog0 and freeze))
06:47<deb>that problem
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06:48<SynrG>yep. i remember it
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06:49<SynrG>deb: i tried installing iceweasel-l10n-ru and started my iceweasel with LANG=ru iceweasel, and it created ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default
06:49<deb>omg
06:49<deb>hm
06:49<deb>i donw know )))
06:50<SynrG>using iceweasel 38.3.0esr-1 and iceweasel-l10n-ru 1:38.3.0esr-1, though
06:50<SynrG>which are probably later versions than yours
06:50<deb>i install all latest
06:50<SynrG>yes, but you are not on sid
06:50<SynrG>,v iceweasel
06:50<deb>ye))
06:50<judd>Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 38.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 38.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 38.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 38.3.0esr-1;
06:50<judd>jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 41.0.2-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 41.0.2-1
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06:51<SynrG>sid has 38.3. you have 38.2, i guess.
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06:53<deb>there are a few differences in jessi, appeared in the media folder, user folder, and already there to mount the device to change the folder structure grub
06:53<deb>i think that jessie
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06:55<deb>fix for firefox work but not all changed text
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06:55<deb>but better)
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06:56<deb>38.3.0 iceweasel my too
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06:58<SynrG>deb: do you have a /home/deb/.mozilla/profiles.ini file?
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06:58<deb>yes
06:58<deb>have sure
06:59<deb>Path=3jzvyri7.default
06:59<deb>lol))
06:59<deb>[General]
06:59<deb>StartWithLastProfile=1
06:59<deb>[Profile0]
06:59<deb>Name=default
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07:01<ag_melbourne>Good evening :) wheezy to jessie, wifi, nl80211 not found, any guidance would be most welcome :)
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07:01<deb>oh
07:01<deb>i am sorry(
07:01<deb>again flood)
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07:02<petn-randall>deb: That's why I said you shouldn't hit enter all the time. debhelper will kick you otherwise. Try to form longer messages. If you need to paste something, use http://paste.debian.net.
07:02<deb>any buttoms not fixed color
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07:03<jm_>ag_melbourne: what is nl80211?
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07:03<SynrG>well, this is no fn.u
07:03<SynrG>fun*
07:04<ag_melbourne>Hi jm_ it is one of the errors I get when debugging my wifi
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07:04<jm_>ag_melbourne: which wifi device is it?
07:04<SynrG>after having tested LANG=ru iceweasel, iceweasel is now permanently in russian
07:04<deb>)
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07:04<deb>thats really fun for you))
07:04<deb>i think))
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07:05<jm_>even if you remove the l10n package?
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07:05<deb>i dont remove)) i use in localization ))
07:05<ag_melbourne>jm_ it is a netgear device WNA1000M, I had it working under wheezy, cannot make progress under jessie
07:06<jm_>ag_melbourne: tried http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x ?
07:06<SynrG>problem solved. i had a still-running russian iceweasel instance from an earlier test.
07:06<deb>)
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07:07<PEB>really, stop that.
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07:07<PEB>printing ")" everywhere just makes your messages unreadable.
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07:08<jm_>I suppose it's :) and translator just removes : somehow :)
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07:10<ag_melbourne>jm- just viewed the page, nothing obvious to me
07:11<jm_>ag_melbourne: things like verify if firmware is installed is not obvious? or verifying if your exact device is supported?
07:12<ag_melbourne>jm_ I have the correct driver loaded ( worked under wheezy ) the nl80211 error has me confused
07:13<jm_>ag_melbourne: wait, you get an error message? put your dmesg output to the paste site (/msg dpkg paste)
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07:15<deb>you found the reason?)))
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07:17<deb>i can change folder to .default Path=3jzvyri7.default, but dont need)), and why it happened, I do not know)
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07:19<ag_melbourne>jm_ i had made detailed notes on wifi setup...these are not helping under jessie...my apologies jm_ I have to sign off for this evening
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07:20<SynrG>It's possible the live image preconfigures iceweasel somehow, resulting in this strange path. That's why I'll test later with the specific image you used.
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07:20<SynrG>I'll let the live team know if i find an issue there
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07:22<SynrG>deb: meanwhile it is probably better to install from the non live image if you want exactly what most users have as defaults
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07:23<deb>SynrG: dont think that))
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07:25<deb>SynrG: I think on the channel you are the most helpful and friendly))
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07:27<SynrG>Well. There is self-explanatory interest here as I'm on the live team
07:27<SynrG>Grr. Autopredict fail
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07:28<SynrG>Well. There is self-interest* here...
07:29<SynrG>I want to pursue the problem to its conclusion in case it's a bug i can fix
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07:33<deb>SynrG:
07:33<deb>what I like in this channel, there are moments where he is not to understand ((
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07:37<SynrG>The language barrier is hard sometimes. And we can't always help when communication is difficult. But we try, and it's rewarding when we succeed.
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07:38<SynrG>Just work on your English, and try to ask questions with more useful details
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07:40<join240j>SynrG: where you from?
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07:44<SynrG>join240j: join #debian-offtopic and we can chat socially there
07:45<deb>SynrG: )) okay bro))
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09:23<Sp0nken>Is it any way to show ALL subcatalogs in listview instead on iconview in Caja? Kind of annoying to do it manually when getting through tons of directories
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09:27<Sp0nken>Not just directories* Files also
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09:31<oenings>does anyone has an idea how to get a tevii s472 to work?
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09:38<petn-randall>oenings: You can increase your chances for an answer if you ask more specific questions.
09:38<petn-randall>!ask
09:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
09:40<Sp0nken>Also: Looking for a way to display mp3 metadata/id3 tags in file manager
09:41<SynrG>sounds like a job for fuse
09:42<SynrG>pytagsfs maybe?
09:42<Sp0nken>SynrG: I don't really know what fuse does, have only used it with mhddfs and ntfs-3g before. Isn't that just to make virtual file systems?
09:42<SynrG>yes.
09:42<SynrG>and pytagsfs is one such filesystem, allowing browsing by metadata
09:43<SynrG>i've never used it, but it looks like it would provide a solution, if not exactly what you asked for ... at least to the general problem.
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09:43<oenings>i have a problem with using my TV card tevii s472 to work with Debian testing. There is a driver for Linux, but it is incompatible to the testing-kernel.
09:43<Sp0nken>thx i will look into that, but i'm not looking for a way to browse by metadata, i just want to see genre etc of diffrient albums i have stored
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09:43<SynrG>yep
09:43<petn-randall>oenings: Ah, if you're using testing, head over to #debian-next, where testing/sid are supported.
09:44<oenings>okay
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09:44<SynrG>Sp0nken: what file manager do you use? GNOME's?
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09:45<Sp0nken>SynrG: I use MATE's default one... Caja i think the name is :)
09:45<SynrG>oh, ok. i don't know anything about that. a fork of Nautilus from gnome 2.0?
09:46<Sp0nken>Tbh i don't know really but sounds like it could be mate is a fork of gnome2 right? lemmie check
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09:47<Sp0nken>Yes, it's a fork of Nautilus
09:48<SynrG>Sp0nken: i *absolutely do not* recommend this solution, as i have not tested it and it's not even for Debian, but for Ubuntu. do not mix packages for other releases. but if you found the source and found it worked with Caja, it might work ... http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/mp3-and-flac-metadata-information-id3.html
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09:48<SynrG>Sp0nken: the fact the article was posted in 2010 is a sign it *might* work for an older nautilus fork
09:49<Sp0nken>SynrG: Thanks i will have a look at it anyway
09:49<SynrG>k
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09:49<Sp0nken>Last time i mixed debian with ubuntupackages it ended up really bad so i'm more careful these days :)
09:50<SynrG>indeed.
09:50<SynrG>but it says it "contains a python script". depends on which version of python it requires, but sounds like it might be source-compatible at least.
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09:52<SynrG>Sp0nken: i.e. you could try grabbing the source package and see if it could build on debian without modifications. if it is sanely packaged, this might work.
09:53<Sp0nken>I will try that :) thanks again
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09:54<Sp0nken>Well have to find it elsewhere because of broken download-link but at least i have the name
09:55<SynrG>Sp0nken: all of its dependencies seem to be in debian
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09:55<SynrG>Sp0nken: https://launchpad.net/~nilarimogard/+archive/ubuntu/webupd8/+packages?field.name_filter=nautilus-columns
09:56<Sp0nken>I found this on github but i dont have any pythonscripts so i don't know if it's something that will do the trick https://gist.github.com/infirit/497d589c4dcf44ffe920
09:56<Sp0nken>That one aims directly on caja what it seems
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09:57<SynrG>Sp0nken: works for me with nautilus 3.18.0
09:57<SynrG>aha
09:58<SynrG>so, it appears nautilus-columns could be packaged for Debian, assuming there aren't license or quality issues that might block it from entering ...
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09:59<Sp0nken>I'm not sure what the best bet is now, the version of mate in stable is 1.8.1
09:59<SynrG>Sp0nken: the nautilus-columns package depended on quite a number of python packages.
10:00<SynrG>figuring out the deps for caja-columns might be tricky on your own
10:00<SynrG>your best bet is to try to interest someone with mate with the skills to package it
10:03<SynrG>would be nice to have this for cinnamon, too (nemo file manager)
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11:31<ionelmc>what's the "Standards-Version" for?
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11:34<dskjsd>How do you control a wifi card from the command line?
11:35<blast007>ionelmc: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Standards-Version
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11:35<star_prone>hi
11:35<ionelmc>blast007: a bunch of gobbledygook, translate please :-)
11:35<ionelmc>what is it used for?
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11:35<star_prone>I'm trying to upgrade php5.4 to php5.6 but I must be doing something wrong since I can't get it to work
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11:37<star_prone>I have added "deb http://packages.dotdeb.org wheezy-php56 all" and "deb-src http://packages.dotdeb.org wheezy-php56 all" to sources.list, uninstalled php5.4 using sudo aptitude purge php5 and reinstalled it using sudo aptitude install php5
11:37<somiaj>dskjsd: iwconfig is one tool, I think there is an iw (similar to ip). There is also wpa_supplicant which is needed for wpa secure networks. You can control all this in debian though the /etc/network/interfaces file, or just use wpa_supplicant as a daemon to manage your wireless devices (the method I use)
11:37<star_prone>the problem is that php5.4 was installed again
11:37<somiaj>star_prone: we don't support dotdeb packages, and usually consider their repo's poor quality.
11:37<somiaj>!dotdeb
11:37<dpkg>http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>.
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11:38<dskjsd>I need to be able to restart wifi from a cron script. I found a tutorial at wiki.archlinux.org, but the instructions don't work.
11:38<somiaj>,v php5
11:38<judd>Package: php5 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze27; wheezy: 5.4.44-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.45-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.6.7+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.9+dfsg-1; jessie-security: 5.6.13+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-
11:38<judd>proposed-updates: 5.6.13+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.14+dfsg-1; stretch: 5.6.14+dfsg-1
11:38<dskjsd>Apparently, there's a config file I need but don't have.
11:38<somiaj>dskjsd: configure it in your /etc/network/interfaces file, (you can even configure wpa_supplicant there) and then you can use ifup/ifdown to bring the interfaces up and down in debian.
11:39<dskjsd>thanks, I'll try that.
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11:39<dskjsd>One more question: Why is my work IP banned from this channel?
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11:40<somiaj>star_prone: our suggestion would be consider upgrading to jessie if you need php5.6. You can try dotdeb's packages, but look at apt-cache policy php5 to info on what is avaialble and what is being installed. And if you choose to use dotdeb, it is unsupported by #debian
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11:41<somiaj>dskjsd: unsure, could be various reasons. I would have to rember how to look up the ip and see if I can figure out why it was banned.
11:41<somiaj>dskjsd: that question is better asked in #debian-ops (and maybe an op more familar with things than I can give you a definitive answer)
11:42<dskjsd>It's the second time I've installed Debian at a brand new site and found that the site was pre-banned. WTF.
11:42<star_prone>somiaj: ok, thank you
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11:42<srbaker>,v digikam
11:42<judd>Package: digikam on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:1.2.0-7; wheezy: 4:2.6.0-1+deb7u1; jessie: 4:4.4.0-1.1; sid: 4:4.4.0-1.1+b2
11:42<srbaker>wonder what happened to digikam in stretch
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11:42<somiaj>srbaker: /msg judd v digikam (you can use the bots in private message if the info you want isn't for someone else)
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11:43<mono>como
11:43<somiaj>srbaker: head to packages.debian.org, click on the package, click on the QA page and it will let you know what date it is removed and give a reason or a bug report to go look at.
11:43<mono>que estas haciendo
11:43<srbaker>tack
11:43<mono>sera
11:43<mono> no pongo mas esto
11:43<petn-randall>!es
11:43<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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11:44<somiaj>srbaker: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/digikam
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11:45<star_prone>one more question: I thought dotdeb packages are actually debian packages. was I wrong? and if not, why aren't they supported?
11:45<star_prone>hmm... there was more than one question...
11:45<star_prone>well, you get the point
11:46<lindi->star_prone: anyone can make debian packages but they won't be official unless they are actually part of the debian distribution
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11:46<somiaj>star_prone: they are packages made by a third party for debian. Debian's quality control and policy have no effect on the packages. They can work, but many have had bad experinces with them so some here have just grown to not trust dotdeb to make quality packages that work with debian systems.
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11:47<somiaj>star_prone: but basically #debian only supports packages made and accepted by debian (which all come from the debian mirrors, not third party sources). Use third party sources at your own risk.
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11:51<mranderson>hi guys,any quick hint to get fn+F5/F6 (monitor brightness) work?
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11:52<mranderson>i use debian 8 with xfce
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11:53<petn-randall>mranderson: I guess that depends on your laptop model.
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11:54<petn-randall>mranderson: Searching for "debian brightness keys <laptop model>" might find you blog article where it is solved.
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11:54<mranderson>thank you petn-randall
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11:59<somiaj>mranderson: two things you can check. First use xev and see what key code gets sent when y ou press those buttons. These are usually software driven so first check it generates a decent keycode then check how to configure or why xfce4 isn't adjusting the brightness when you hit the key.
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12:09<snowl>test
12:10<petn-randall>Congratulation! 2348234 tests remaining.
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12:46<asdffff>its gay to ban people.
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12:57<Sp0nken>Anyone who knows why i get: ./HDSmate_installx64.sh: 1: eval: ./install.sh: Permission denied
12:57<Sp0nken>when trying to install hard disk sentinal free for mate x64?
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12:59<jhutchins>Sp0nken: You're not using a debian package.
13:02<Sp0nken>jhutchins: i know but this should work with debian too. HDSentinel is not available as a debian-package
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13:04<blast007>Sp0nken: tried GSmartControl? that is packaged in Debian.
13:07<Sp0nken>blast007: Thx i will check that out. But i'm still curious why the script dosn't work
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13:13<EmleyMoor>I want to add a rule in iptables to masquerade for any traffic entering on a particular interface... how do I do it?
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13:17<jmlongo>I'm not an expert ... but something like this should do it
13:17<jmlongo> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.3.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
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13:19<jmlongo>changing 192.168.3.0 to your IP range and eth0 to your desired interface
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13:57<EmleyMoor>Best way, please, to access another IPv4 network using only existing physical interface?
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13:58<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: The internet.
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13:59<EmleyMoor>petn-randall: No, I mean I'm on the Internet... but I need to put this computer also on an internal RFC1918-addressed network...
14:00<grummund>EmleyMoor: alias interface
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14:01<grummund>Hi, what are the options other than acrobat for reading pdf with XFA forms?
14:01<EmleyMoor>grummund: Need deep help with it as I tried and failed disastrously
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14:02<grummund>EmleyMoor: google interface aliasing, basically create multiple devices for a single physical interface
14:03<EmleyMoor>And, unbasically, what do I do if it tells me "RTNETLINK: File exists" and prevents me accessing that network (or even the existing one)?
14:04<grummund>pass. i'm no expert and you will get more sense from a written tutorial than me.
14:04<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: So your interface has a public IP address, and you want to add a private IP address to that?
14:05<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: You might want to explain your setup.
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14:11<EmleyMoor>petn: Yes. I am in the middle of setting up a mixed public/private setup and I need to access a private address to set the wireless access point up
14:11<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: You can show us output of ifconfig and 'route -n' on http://paste.debian.net, and tell us what you'd like to achieve.
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14:12<EmleyMoor>I will come back to this later and do that.
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14:52<grummund>Is there an alternative to adobe acrobat for reading pdf with XFA forms?
14:53<grummund>secondary question... is acrobat reader in non-free? i don't see it there.
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14:58<talifhani>hi
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15:04<jhutchins>!acrobat
15:04<dpkg>Adobe Acrobat is a computer program family for authoring and manipulating of Portable Document Format (<PDF>) files. Adobe Reader (formerly Acrobat Reader) is available from deb-multimedia, ask me about <dmm>. http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/ See also <edit pdf>, <adobe distiller server>.
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15:05<jhutchins>grummund: There are a 4-6 PDF readers available, plus you can get acrobat from adobe.
15:05<jhutchins>!pdf
15:05<dpkg>Portable Document Format (PDF) is a file format for document exchange, designed by Adobe as a replacement for <PostScript>. Free software to view PDFs include <xpdf>, <kpdf>, <okular>, <evince> (all poppler based) and gv, kghostview (ghostscript-based, much slower!). Adobe Reader (acroread) is available from deb-multimedia in non-free; ask me about <dmm>. See also <edit pdf>, <pdf writer>. http://wiki.debian.org/PDF
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15:06<grummund>jhutchins: the problem is with reading XFA forms
15:06*grummund looking for an open source solution ideally
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15:14<EmleyMoor>OK - back to my problem. My main machine has a bridge, br0, with a public IPv4 address and also IPv6. I want to add, on the ethernet card that's part of it, a private IPv4 address, to access a new internal network I'm setting up. Remnants of my attempt remain, but I have not been able to access the private network. My router can, however, ping the wireless AP which is on that network. Can paste any confi
15:14<EmleyMoor>g or output you need to help me... ...
15:14<EmleyMoor>... please let me know what you need.
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15:18<jhutchins>EmleyMoor: Add the address to br0:1
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15:19<EmleyMoor>RTNETLINK answers: File exists. Failed to bring up br0:1
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15:21<EmleyMoor>jhutchins: This is typical of all my attempts so far
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15:22<[volverine]>ciao
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15:24<EmleyMoor>... any further suggestion?
15:24<lindi->EmleyMoor: interfaces that are part of a bridge can't have addresses set afaik
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15:25<lindi->EmleyMoor: "ip addr add 1.2.3.4/24 dev br0" should work
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15:27<EmleyMoor>lindi-: Seemingly it did nothing
15:27<lindi->EmleyMoor: it shouldn't print anything
15:27<lindi->EmleyMoor: does "ip addr" show the address after that?
15:27<EmleyMoor>It didn't do anything at all, I mean.
15:27<lindi->EmleyMoor: how do you know?
15:28<EmleyMoor>ip addr does show it...
15:28<EmleyMoor>lindi-: Well, what I meant was, it still wasn't effective
15:28<lindi->EmleyMoor: what do you mean by effective?
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15:28<EmleyMoor>It didn't give me the access I need.
15:29<lindi->EmleyMoor: what command do you use to try to access it?
15:29<EmleyMoor>Well, a ping, first off... which does work from the router...
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15:30<lindi->EmleyMoor: you might want to run e.g. http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/print-net-settings and paste the output to https://paste.debian.net
15:30<lindi->EmleyMoor: and then tell us the exact ping command that fails
15:32<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/317517/
15:32<EmleyMoor>ping 192.168.2.2
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15:33<lindi->EmleyMoor: first of all, you have two routes to "192.168.2.0/24"
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15:33<lindi->EmleyMoor: "ip addr del 192.168.2.3/24 dev eth0"
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15:34<lindi->EmleyMoor: and then "ip addr add 192.168.2.3/24 dev br0"
15:34<EmleyMoor>Ah... getting somewhere now...
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15:34<EmleyMoor>RTNETLINK answers: File exists
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15:35<lindi->EmleyMoor: ah, it's already there
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15:35<lindi->EmleyMoor: also remove that weird address, "ip addr del 192.168.2.3/32 dev br0"
15:36<EmleyMoor>It's working now, but will do
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15:37<lindi->EmleyMoor: ok, just remember in the future that devices that are part of a bridge should not have any addresses set
15:37<EmleyMoor>OK - presumably if I'm changing the address I del the old and add the new? How best do I make it "permanent" once I've decided?
15:37<lindi->EmleyMoor: yeah
15:37<EmleyMoor>lindi-: Indeed - knew that but earlier attempts were little use...
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15:38<lindi->EmleyMoor: you can add a "up ip addr add 192.168.2.3/24 dev br0" to /etc/network/interfaces inside the "iface br0" stanza
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15:39<EmleyMoor>lindi-: OK - we'll see about that but I seem to recall having had that work in the past.
15:39<lindi->EmleyMoor: but please be aware that you have not set any firewall rules. anyone might be able to access your supposedly private network
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15:39<EmleyMoor>lindi-: This machine is not the router/firewall...
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15:41<EmleyMoor>OK - I've removed that address but can't re-add a similar one... RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address
15:41<EmleyMoor>Oh - typo
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16:06<EmleyMoor>OK - things are going pretty well now... but on my router, dhcpd has acknowledged receiving a request from my phone, but has failed to assign it an IPv4 address... logged Oct 22 20:59:39 aa-gw dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 0.0.0.0 from 40:b8:37:16:27:6d via eth1: unknown lease 0.0.0.0.
16:06<princess>hello guys
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16:10<EmleyMoor>Anyone available to help me with isc-dhcp-server and getting it to make proper respones?
16:10<EmleyMoor>responses?
16:11<jhutchins>EmleyMoor: This is the standard dhcpd?
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16:12<EmleyMoor>jhutchins: I believe it's reasonably so...
16:13<jhutchins>EmleyMoor: Take a look at it's logs; increase logging level if necessary.
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16:14<jhutchins>EmleyMoor: You might want to watch the transaction with wireshark or tcpdump.
16:14<grummund>!pdf
16:14<dpkg>Portable Document Format (PDF) is a file format for document exchange, designed by Adobe as a replacement for <PostScript>. Free software to view PDFs include <xpdf>, <kpdf>, <okular>, <evince> (all poppler based) and gv, kghostview (ghostscript-based, much slower!). Adobe Reader (acroread) is available from deb-multimedia in non-free; ask me about <dmm>. See also <edit pdf>, <pdf writer>. http://wiki.debian.org/PDF
16:14<grummund>... what is does not say is that the version of acroread in dmm is old enough that even it will not read XFA forms, so if that's what you want don't bother with dmm.
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16:15<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... seems not to be lresponding at all any more... I'll check logs
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16:19<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... seems to be trying to allocate a public-side address (81.187.150.48/28) rather than in 192.168.0.0/24 where I've set the pool... why would that happen?
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16:21<EmleyMoor>(happy to paste configs or whatever)
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16:24<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it's listening on that network - I need it to listen on the other - how do I make it do that?
16:25<EmleyMoor>(both would actually be preferable)
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16:28<jhutchins>EmleyMoor: You don't want it listening on the public address. You certainly don't want it responding.
16:30<EmleyMoor>jhutchins: Well, I want it to stop doing so, then... how?
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16:33<EmleyMoor>I get Listening on LPF/eth1/20:cf:30:5a:c8:ad/81.187.150.48/28 and likewise for sending, at present. I actually want it to use the 192.168.0.0/24 subnet that's in use...
16:33<EmleyMoor>(on eth1:0)
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16:38<lindi->EmleyMoor: you better stop thinking in terms of alias interfaces ("ethX:Y") since they don't really represent how linux works nowadays afaik
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16:40<EmleyMoor>lindi-: Well, OK... I've undone that and gone the ip addr add... way - still same.
16:40<lindi->EmleyMoor: instead, you just have an interface with multiple addresses
16:41<lindi->EmleyMoor: well, can you upload your dhcp server configuration?
16:41<lindi->EmleyMoor: and maybe also output of http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/print-net-settings again since this is a different machine I suppose?
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16:42<EmleyMoor>Wired LAN Port Status VLAN Mode/ID
16:42<EmleyMoor>Wired Port (#1) Connected (1000 Mbps Full-Duplex) Untagged Port / 1
16:42<EmleyMoor>Wired Port (#2) Disconnected (---) Untagged Port / 1
16:42<EmleyMoor>Erk
16:42<EmleyMoor>Wired LAN Port Status VLAN Mode/ID
16:42<EmleyMoor>Wired Port (#1) Connected (1000 Mbps Full-Duplex) Untagged Port / 1
16:42<EmleyMoor>Wired Port (#2) Disconnected (---) Untagged Port / 1
16:42<EmleyMoor>\Hmmm
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16:43<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/317524/
16:43<lindi->EmleyMoor: and /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server?
16:45<EmleyMoor>print-net-settings at http://paste.debian.net/317525/
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16:48<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/317527 - just corrected last line, no difference.
16:48<lindi->EmleyMoor: hmm
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16:52<lindi->EmleyMoor: probably completely unrelated but you have MASQUERADE rule for 192.168.2.0/24 but the network is actually 192.168.0.0/24
16:52<EmleyMoor>Found one little error...
16:52<EmleyMoor>Yes... just spotted that - will fix
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16:52<lindi->EmleyMoor: dhcp should still assign an address
16:53<EmleyMoor>lindi-: It seems uninterested in that subnet
16:54<lindi->EmleyMoor: so what happens if a client send a dhcp request?
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16:55<EmleyMoor>This: DHCPDISCOVER from 40:b8:37:16:27:6d via eth1: network 81.187.150.48/28: no free leases
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16:59<lindi->EmleyMoor: ok, I hope somebody else has a better idea on this one
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17:05<edrz>i just got a new battery for my lapto. all my past laptops died for some other reason before needing a new battery.
17:05<edrz>is it normal for a new battery to not quite reach 100% capacity on first charge?
17:05<edrz> capacity: 97.5682%
17:05<edrz> energy-full: 46.3644 Wh
17:05<edrz> energy-full-design: 47.52 Wh
17:06<edrz>as reported by upower
17:06<edrz>just wondering if there's some configuration I might not no about. to be honest, i never paid much mind to my batteries in the past.
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17:18<Sp0nken>Does anyone know how to get rid of the annoying low diskspace warnings in MATE? It does not help to check the "Do not show warnings for this filesystem". I can disable it until next reboot by running "gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.housekeeping active false" but i bet there must be a more elegant option to disable these warnings than to load this command during boot?
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17:21<EmleyMoor>Sorted - you need to put them in a "shared-network" declaration...
17:22<EmleyMoor>However, I'm not convinced I have working external IPv4 connectivity from the private network.
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17:23<EmleyMoor>Any known working IPv4-only sites I could try?
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17:27<blast007>EmleyMoor: couldn't you easily find such a site yourself with a simple 'host somedomainhere.com' ?
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17:30<EmleyMoor>blast007: Found something even more useful now... a site that shows your v4 and v6 addresses - or "unknown" if one fails. I have a failure on IPv4 on the private network...
17:31<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... looks like a both-ways fail...
17:31<EmleyMoor>How do I make one IPv4 address take priority for outbound connections?
17:33<Infiltrator>EmleyMoor: Routing. See man route.
17:35<Sp0nken>Hmm after my last reboot not even "gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.housekeeping active false" seems to work.. The warnings keep coming up all the time
17:36<EmleyMoor>Getting "route" to do anything here is hellish!
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17:39<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... not sure I've got it...
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17:40<EmleyMoor>Ah, sorted...
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17:49<luckyuser>i dont spea
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18:04<twb>"less foo.docx" works for me. I want to understand what command it's running.
18:04<twb>I assume it's lesspipe(1) running some ascciifier, but I can't see docx mentioned in lesspipe's source
18:05<twb>Aha! I did it myself.
18:05<twb>http://sprunge.us/KNQB is in ~/.lessfilter since Mar 2014 :P
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18:06<Beerbelott>Hello
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18:07<Beerbelott>I got trouble with a disk on which my OS fails to start. Partitions are visible but some tools such as gpart say they cannot find any filesystem
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18:07<Beerbelott>WHat should I do (I am doing a backup to another disk with dd atm)
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18:09<twb>Beerbelott: OK let's do some basic diagnostics.
18:09<twb>Beerbelott: you have booted a live CD?
18:09<twb>Beerbelott: can you pastebin files from there easily?
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18:09<Beerbelott>I am doing the dd backup with a gparted-live liveboot DVD atm
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18:10<Beerbelott>I am talking withyou on an old crappy rescue P ;)
18:10<Beerbelott>PC*
18:10<twb>So things to check are: cat /proc/partitions, sudo blkid
18:11<Beerbelott>I am taking notes
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18:11<Beerbelott>(I don't want to interfere with the dd process and I cannot mount any partition since backup is running)
18:11<Beerbelott>what should I also check?
18:12<Beerbelott>is there an easy way to recreate the filesystem? The partitions are there, it already is a good sign
18:12<Beerbelott>fdisk -l has a satisfying output
18:12<Beerbelott>had*
18:12<twb>Beerbelott: at this point I do not know what the fault is
18:13<twb>"gparted and stuff can't recognize the filesystem" could be any number of issues
18:14<Beerbelott>fsck did return immediately
18:14<Beerbelott>although no partition was ever mounted
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18:14<Beerbelott>like it did not do any work
18:14<twb>I don't know what you *expected* to mount
18:15<twb>If you can show me the output of those two commands I mentioned, that will help us to start investigating
18:15<Beerbelott>WHat I eant is it is expected fsck returns immediately without doing anything with the -M option when a partition is mounted
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18:16<Beerbelott>but that was not the case and whatever options I used with fsck ended up with on the 'version' line being output before exiting
18:16<Beerbelott>OK
18:16<Beerbelott>I will do ASAP
18:16<Beerbelott>dd'ing 1TB between 2 7200 RPM disks.... dunno how many hours are left
18:17<twb>What filesystem are you using? ext4?
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18:17<Beerbelott>it was WIndows actually but I am using debian tools ;)
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18:17<Beerbelott>so ntfs
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18:17<twb>Your debian rootfs was ntfs formatted?
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18:17<twb>Or it was a windows OS and you're trying to fix it from debian/
18:17<Beerbelott>with fdisk the partition type was recognized if I remember well
18:18<Beerbelott>It is Win OS
18:18<twb>OK.
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18:18<Beerbelott>But the failure I had got to be related with hardware issues, so the OS is ireelevant
18:18<twb>Well probably there is no fsck support for NTFS
18:18<Beerbelott>Ah... maybe
18:19<twb>Also if you want to *write* to it, you must mount -t ntfs-3g, not -t ntfs
18:19<twb>!ntfs
18:19<dpkg>Windows NT File System (NTFS) has drivers available in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and a <FUSE> driver providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <label>. http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS
18:19<twb>You can /msg dpkg to learn more about those keywords
18:19<Beerbelott>ntfs-3g is RO, right?
18:20<Beerbelott>or is it the new RW one?
18:20<twb>no -t ntfs is the in-kernel, fast, (mostly) read-only one
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18:20<twb>ntfs-3g uses fuse, it runs in the userland (so slow) but it can write files
18:20<Beerbelott>Does ntfs-3g need non-free packages?
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18:21<twb>no
18:21<twb>It's pretty much standard these days
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18:22<Beerbelott>but you need a package
18:22<Beerbelott>most probably live-DVDs won't have it
18:22<twb>If it's a Debian Live GUI, it almost certainly will
18:23<Beerbelott>gparted-live is based on debian, yup
18:23<twb>"based on debian" is not debian.
18:23<Beerbelott>and it is disks/parition oriented so I guess it might have it...
18:23<twb>Debian provides its own live CDs; I can support them, I can't really support third-party stuff
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18:25<Beerbelott>twb: does the netinstall one provides enough stuff in its command-line part?
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18:27<twb>netinstall is not a live CD, it's an install CD
18:27<twb>If you are OK with CLI, the "rescue" flavour of the live CD is best for this stuff
18:27<twb>Although... I think they dropped it in Debian 8 :/
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18:28<Beerbelott>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
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18:28<Beerbelott>'standard'?
18:28<twb>standard will be a basic install with no utilities.
18:28<Beerbelott>live, not install
18:29<twb>Yeah sorry, debian-live standard --> standard install *to* the .iso
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18:29<twb>If you have wired ethernet and a DHCP server and internet, then you can install parted or whatever in the running system.
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18:29<Beerbelott>I can manage to plug a cable yeah
18:29<Beerbelott>... once this damn dd will be over
18:30<twb>Some laptops don't have ethernet, is why I said :-)
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18:30<twb>If you do pkill -USR1 dd, it will print progress. Assuming it's Debian dd
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18:32<twb>http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable/amd64/iso-hybrid/ appears to still have debian 7 rescue iso. That might work better for you.
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18:32<twb>I roll my own so I haven't really cared that rescue disappeared -- it's just waiting for someone with a bit of time to fix the build script
18:32<Beerbelott>416GB copied :\
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18:37<twb>The package lists appear to be in git://live.debian.net/git/live-images now
18:38<twb>ntfs-3g is *not* installed in any of the GUI flavours, only in the (removed) rescue flavour :-///
18:39<twb>Oh, unless it's pulled in implicitly by some other package...
18:39<Beerbelott>I downloaded the wheezy version
18:39<twb>Beerbelott: yeah unless your hardware is too new, that's the easy answer for today
18:40<Beerbelott>Nope that will do
18:40<Beerbelott>I guess ^^
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18:40<Beerbelott>However seeing how long it takes do dd files over....
18:41<Beerbelott>I won't spend my night over this, I'll need to sleep ;)
18:42<twb>With Recommends off, as at Debian 8, none of task-~(gnome~|lxde~|kde~|xfce~|cinnamon~)-desktop pull in ntfs-3g.
18:42<twb>Turning on recommends didn't change that, either. Grmph
18:42<twb>I'm probably testing wrong, tho
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18:53<matc>hey guys
18:54<musca>hej matc
18:56<Beerbelott>matc: Hi
18:56<Beerbelott>twb: So I suppose the commands you provided me with suited Debian
18:57<Beerbelott>It won't fit that filesystem
18:57<Beerbelott>if the right packages are isntalled, which tool will handle them correctly?
18:58<Beerbelott>will fsck be OK? or parted?
18:58<matc>I have a huge problem when installing ejabberd on debian 8. apt fails telling me: Job for ejabberd.service failed. See 'systemctl status ejabberd.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
18:58<matc>invoke-rc.d: initscript ejabberd, action "start" failed.
18:58<matc> when i looked in syslog it says "open terminal failed: not a terminal" ....i tried it over ssh and on the machine itself. google gives me basicly nothing
18:58<twb>Beerbelott: apt-get update, apt-get install ntfs-3g
18:59<Beerbelott>on a rescue?
18:59<matc>oh and trying to run it with ejabberdctl start seemed to start if fine, just systemctl fails
18:59<twb>Beerbelott: yes
18:59<Beerbelott>twb: OK then which tools?
18:59<twb>Beerbelott: the live environment is almost identical to an installed one, it just uses (by default) RAM to keep changes
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18:59<twb>09:10 <twb> So things to check are: cat /proc/partitions, sudo blkid
18:59<twb>Beerbelott: but at this point I'm not sure what we're trying to achieve
19:00<twb>Beerbelott: what's your goal, here?
19:00<Beerbelott>twb: Trying to understand why no filesystem is found and boot fails
19:00<Beerbelott>although partitions are and seem to be correct
19:00<twb>matc: that's becase when started by systemd, /dev/tty isn't set to anything useful
19:00<Beerbelott>are there*
19:00<twb>matc: it might be #772037
19:00<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/772037 in ejabberd (closed, moreinfo, unreproducible, upstream): «Fails to restart with systemd, lingering epmd»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-12-04; last modified: 2015-08-28.
19:01<twb>matc: you should report this to the maintainers
19:01<twb>Beerbelott: this was *just* a windows computer?
19:01<twb>Beerbelott: not dual-boot
19:01<Beerbelott>twb: Yup, Debian had to be reinstalled at a later stage... once RAID 1 was setup...which was not yet the case
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19:02<twb>Beerbelott: OK so basically you had a windows computer and at some point booting windows fails with "no filesystem found" ?
19:02<Beerbelott>BSoD followed by 'disk error' and the stup ctrl alt delete piece of advice to reboot
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19:03<twb>Beerbelott: OK, that is offtopic here and I can't help, try ##windows on irc.freenode.net
19:03<twb>Beerbelott: the way Windows boots is completely different from the way Debian boots
19:03<Beerbelott>then gparted-live live-dvd showed me the partitions OK and fdisk aswell... but no filesystem to be found
19:04<Beerbelott>twb: I am taking recuing ntfs filesystem on a disc with debian tools that is why I came here
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19:10<Brigo>Beerbelott, recuing?
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19:11<Beerbelott>Brigo: reScuing
19:11<Brigo>Beerbelott, ok :)
19:12<Beerbelott>Brigo: typos all round I know, this old laptop is crap. Should be intelligible, still
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19:12<Brigo>Beerbelott, if you find the partitions but not the filesystem i can't see how i can help. Try testdisk, it has a very helpful wiki.
19:13<Brigo>Beerbelott, well, my english isn't very good :)
19:13<twb>Your english is better than my spanish :P
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19:14<Brigo>twb, :)
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19:17<matc>mh i just checked #772037, systemctl doesnt start ejabberd at all, so there is no lingering epmd process. though i find a leftover epmd process after i started and stopped via ejabberctl
19:17<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/772037 in ejabberd (closed, unreproducible, upstream, moreinfo): «Fails to restart with systemd, lingering epmd»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-12-04; last modified: 2015-08-28.
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19:19<twb>Ugh, can gzip provide progress on stderr, like xz -v does? gzip -v does sod-all
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19:21<twb>If you're compressing a stream, gzip just says like "75%" whereas xz says "100.0 % 35.9 MiB / 354.2 MiB = 0.101 1.1 MiB/s 5:18" which is way handier
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19:28<Beerbelott>well thxfor your help to for me to leave
19:28<Beerbelott>c ya
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