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00:58<fay>hello gays, who use windogs!
00:59<fay>hello gays, who use windogs!
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02:13<Nexus>hai
02:13<Nexus>my name nexus
02:13<twb>Nexus: do you need help with debian?
02:14<Nexus>im newbie
02:14<Nexus>im from indonesia
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02:16<Nexus>im help in debian
02:16<Nexus>with help
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02:18<twb>!id
02:18<dpkg>Silahkan kunjungi channel #debian-id di irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) untuk bantuan dalam bahasa Indonesia. For help in Indonesian, please try #debian-id on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org)
02:18<twb>Looks like that chanal is pretty empty tho :-(
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02:21<Nexus>hello
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02:26<Nexus>no people in here
02:26<Nexus>??
02:27<twb>Nexus: this channel is not for chat, only for problem solving
02:27<twb>Nexus: if you want to chat in English /join #debian-offtopic
02:27<twb>Nexus: if you have a problem, describe the problem
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02:35<EmleyMoor>One matter arising from my network reshape... I can't get my desk SIP phone to work if it is given a 192.168. address... even though my asterisk server also has one... what could be the cause?
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02:38<twb>EmleyMoor: depends where the fault is. Get out wireshark and start packet sniffing
02:39<twb>EmleyMoor: key things to check for are route tables (e.g. mismatched CIDR netmasks), and also in stateful firewalls to check that the conntrack SIP helper is loaded & working.
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02:40<EmleyMoor>twb: Hmmm... it should be direct, there should be no router or firewall in between...
02:40<jm_>still, netmask must be correct
02:41<twb>you need to packet sniff (or run sip stuff with --verbose or --debug or whatever) to find out where it's failing
02:41<twb>"doesn't work" isn't sufficient to isolate the fault
02:41<EmleyMoor>netmask correct
02:42<twb>I jumped straight to "packet sniff" because I assume your phone is consumer electronics and doesn't provide debugging tools
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02:42<EmleyMoor>twb: I know, but it's one of those cases of "I've done it right but it still fails" - in any case, will sniff. Indeed, it's an Aastra (Mitel these days)
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02:44<twb>My experience with SIP phones is they will "work" for a while even after you break their provisioning infrastructure
02:44<twb>Which can lead to confusing bugs because the ACTUAL problem was caused two weeks ago
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02:44<EmleyMoor>twb: I know the config remains on this one unless it gets a new one at reboot
02:44<twb>yeah that
02:46<twb>Why the hell does this server have /root/.darcs/
02:46<twb>Oh it's .darcs/cache because <historical idiocy>
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03:10<mrclam>you
03:11<mrclam>funky coldmadina
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04:57<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... been trying to analyse my SIP phone problem with wireshark, but it just doesn't show up when it's on a 192.168 address.
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04:59<duclicsic>EmleyMoor: what do you mean? you're capturing on your router and not seeing the traffic?
05:00<EmleyMoor>Tried capturing both at router and server. No traffic when phone is on a 192.168 address
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05:00<duclicsic>so i guess it's failing to register?
05:01<EmleyMoor>What do you mean by "register"?
05:01<duclicsic>i'm assuming SIP
05:01<duclicsic>which has a concept of registering
05:01<EmleyMoor>It's blatantly obvious that's failing
05:02<EmleyMoor>What's not obvious is why.
05:02<duclicsic>so it works when you give the phone a different ip?
05:02<EmleyMoor>duclicsic: Yes, if I use one of my public IP addresses.
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05:03<duclicsic>do you not even see the sip traffic hitting the lan side of the router?
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05:04<EmleyMoor>Nothing at all showing up on the router.
05:04<EmleyMoor>(from the relevant IP)
05:04<duclicsic>and the phone is trying to register to some public address out there on the internet?
05:04<duclicsic>or should be..
05:04<EmleyMoor>duclicsic: The server it's trying to register is right here and has both public and private addresses.
05:04<duclicsic>oh i see
05:05<duclicsic>but which is the phone configured to register with? the public or private IP?
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05:05<EmleyMoor>Tried both.
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05:06<duclicsic>if both the phone and server are on the same lan, you're not going to see anything on the router if they both use private addressing
05:06<EmleyMoor>(the thing is, it appears to be "not trying" when the private address is in use)
05:06<EmleyMoor>Can't see it even at the server
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05:06<duclicsic>the private addresses you're giving them are in the same subnet right?:
05:06<EmleyMoor>duclicsic: Yes
05:07<duclicsic>just checking
05:07<duclicsic>can the server ping the phone?
05:07<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... seems it's not pulling the config
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05:07<EmleyMoor>Yes, ping works...
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05:08<EmleyMoor>Might have found a possible solution
05:08<duclicsic>hmm
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05:10<EmleyMoor>Looks like it hadn't picked up on the config
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05:12<EmleyMoor>It's just being awkward...
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05:13<EmleyMoor>Needs changing in two stages, not one, I think
05:15<EmleyMoor>In fact there was a setting I'd "locked" that I wasn't changing in the right way... should be sorted soon.
05:16<EmleyMoor>Hmmm!!!!
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05:17<EmleyMoor>It's being very reluctant to reconfigure
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05:24<EmleyMoor>It's just not reconfiguring at all
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05:31<EmleyMoor>Solved...
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05:32<EmleyMoor>Now, why would I be able to ping it from router and Asterisk box but not from another box on same subnet? (which can ping the rest of the kit)
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05:45<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... why would one machine in a subnet be reluctant to access new ones joining?
05:46<EmleyMoor>route gives identical output...
05:49<duclicsic>EmleyMoor: can you give examples of the ip/mask being used?
05:49<duclicsic>also install arping, it's quite useful for checking that you're at least getting arp responses back
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05:55<EmleyMoor>Next time the problem hits, yes.
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06:10<EmleyMoor>OK - my next query is an odd one. When I use a 3G connection with my laptop, I like to have a 6in4 tunnel on it so that I can access IPv6 networks. Unfortunately, since the release of jessie, it has hardly ever worked. I am looking for someone prepared to devote some time, with me, to working out what's wrong with it - with a view to putting it right if it's my laptop that's at fault. This is important b
06:10<EmleyMoor>ecause I am considering a backup 3G ...
06:10<EmleyMoor>... connection for my home network too, which will need it.
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06:13<EmleyMoor>Have asked my "same ISP" friends, who seem to have no problem with it, and the main thing they seem to do is whine about me (it's not me, it's the system, behind the scenes) using the sit0 device
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06:20<ladoga>duh...i did apt-get dist-upgrade and now X fails to start as user (root works)
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06:22<jm_>dist-upgrad to what?
06:22<ladoga>seems like some permission problem but no idea where to start
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06:22<SynrG>indeed. to what? for testing/unstable, see #debian-next
06:22<ladoga>jm_: to newest packages in testing
06:22<ladoga>ok thanks
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06:37<boughani>hello
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06:40<cookieburra>hi
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07:38<mariok>Using the Debian Install CD with an FTP archive on the internet and an http-Proxy Server seems still not to work.
07:38<mariok>is this known to us?
07:38<mariok>a second Installation with an HTTP archive and the HTTP Proxy works as expected
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08:27<zerofirst>~~
08:27<zerofirst>folks, how to install video codecs in debian
08:28-!-mode/#debian [+l 729] by debhelper
08:28<zerofirst>it was working well; suddenly I started hearing only video and not audio
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08:30<zerofirst>anyone?
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08:38<mariok>zerofirst: which program do you use?
08:39<mariok>what do you mean with suddenly? during watching video the program you use stopped playing to audio and the moving pictures still are working?
08:40<mariok>^^^ is this what you mean?
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08:44<zerofirst>Mariok, thanks for your response.
08:44<zerofirst>No, I meant after reboot I've noticed it stopped working (video)
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08:45<mariok>which program?
08:45<zerofirst>I've VLC
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08:45<zerofirst>and other tools as well
08:45<zerofirst>it's not working any of the,
08:45<zerofirst>them*
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08:47<mariok>dpkg -l | grep libavcodec
08:47<dpkg>ii | grep libavcodec 3.3-13 mariok's private stamp collection
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08:48<mariok>^^^^ try this please
08:48<mariok>can you see any paketes installed?
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08:53<Eques>hi
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09:13<pedeb>Hi from Shift F1 to Shift F12 characters are: ;2P;2Q;2R;2S;2~;2~;2~;2~;2~;2~;2~;2~ as you see, I'm loosing some of the keybindings for example for a program called byobu
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09:41<ThomasKeller>normally, when I want to enable/disable startup scripts in wheezy
09:41<ThomasKeller>I use chkconfig <scritptname> on/off
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09:42<ThomasKeller>but now I want to disable shutdown script /etc/init.d/umountiscsi.sh, which is called in runlevel 0 1 6
09:42<ThomasKeller>chkconfig umountiscsi.sh off does nothing
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09:42<ThomasKeller>the symlink is still there:
09:42<ThomasKeller>ll /etc/rc?.d/*umountiscsi.sh
09:42<ThomasKeller>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2015-Jun-11 10:28:41 /etc/rc0.d/K03umountiscsi.sh -> ../init.d/umountiscsi.sh*
09:42<ThomasKeller>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2015-Jun-11 10:28:41 /etc/rc1.d/K03umountiscsi.sh -> ../init.d/umountiscsi.sh*
09:42<ThomasKeller>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2015-Jun-11 10:28:41 /etc/rc6.d/K03umountiscsi.sh -> ../init.d/umountiscsi.sh*
09:42-!-ThomasKeller was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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09:44<ThomasKeller>should I just remove the symlinks manually ?
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09:45<mariok>what is the problem with the unmountiscsi.sh Script?
09:45<mariok>das it fail to execute?
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09:47*abrotman would think umounting a disk is a good thing ..
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09:48<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/317615/ - why do I often get prompted for my password when I try to run the commands defined in the VMMOUNT alias? I am in the kvm group...
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09:50<tremon>ThomasKeller: the canonical debian command is update-rc.d, but chkconfig should work too
09:50<EmleyMoor>Ah - fixed - lines in wrong order
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09:59<mariok>https://paste.debian.net/317618
09:59<mariok>^^^ after an Debian Testing Istallation with the ISO debian-stretch-DI-alpha3-amd64-netinst.iso in an VM I got this error (see the link) and the VM stops booting.
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10:00<mariok>against which paket should I open a bug to get that issue fixed?
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10:01<tremon>mariok: systemd
10:01<tremon>it's not acceptable for pid1 to freeze execution
10:01<abrotman>ThomasKeller: or, last resort is to remove the links
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10:06<mariok>I did boot my VM with a grml LiveCD and found /mountpoint/etc/mtab is a file and not a symlink.
10:06<ThomasKeller>tremon: I have used "update-rc.d umountiscsi.sh remove"
10:06<ThomasKeller>but the script is still called during shitdown
10:07<ThomasKeller>abrotman: even when I remove the symlinks, the script is still being called during shutdown
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10:09<abrotman>ThomasKeller: is something else calling it?
10:09<abrotman>ThomasKeller: chmod -x /etc/init.d/whatever.sh
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10:10<ThomasKeller>abrotman: you are correct. The script /etc/init.d/open-iscsi was calling it
10:10<tremon>mariok: then file 2 bugs, one against systemd and one against debian-installer if you wish :)
10:12<mariok>in the LiveCD Environment I removed /etc/mtab and created the symlink /etc/mtab pointing to /proc/self/mounts. After that the system boots
10:12<mariok>who's job is it to create a correct /etc/mtab file/symlink?
10:12<tremon>the debian-installer bug was already reported in #802187
10:13<tremon>and fixed a week ago
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10:13<mariok>tremon: thanks for looking that up for me.
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10:15<abrotman>ThomasKeller: is that your real name? or you like the chef?
10:16<ThomasKeller>I am the chef :-)
10:16<abrotman>nooooooooo
10:16<abrotman>But okay
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10:18<ThomasKeller>what about you, do you have abrotman as name in your passport ?
10:18<zathras>chances are
10:20<abrotman>yes
10:20<zathras>see
10:20<zathras>:P
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10:41<mariok>http://bugs-search.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi
10:41<mariok>^^^ this gives me an internal server error when looking up a text
10:41<mariok>is that on your site as well?
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11:27<root403>Hi
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11:33<EmleyMoor>For some odd reason my main box is only on the network at 100Mbps, not 1Gbps - it's only done this over the last couple of days... why would that be?
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11:34<zaher>hy
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11:44<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... not GDM... something else... what would make the console login text flash rapidly?
11:46<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... seems to stop flashing after a while
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12:17<mariok>EmleyMoor: flashing after the system boots?
12:17<mariok>EmleyMoor: I think the system tries to tart the GUI a few time and that likes like flashing the text console
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12:18<mariok>and the thing with the 100Mbps could be a broken network cable or a bad networking connection.
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12:18<mariok>I saw situations where I unplugged the cable and then pluggied it in again and that solved the problem
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12:19<mariok>apt-get -d install kde-full
12:19<mariok>...
12:19<mariok>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
12:19<mariok>kde-full : Depends: kdegames (>= 4:4.11.3) but it is not going to be installed
12:20<petn-randall>!tell mariok -about bat
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12:21<petn-randall>mariok: Looks like you're not running vanilla jessie.
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12:30<Beerbelott>Hello
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12:30<Beerbelott>How do you set up network on the debian rescue live CD ?
12:31<hicks>Anyone know how to figure out the correct udev rules to set the devices listed in the following dir /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb3/3-6/3-6:1.1/wacom_led/ to a different group? I tried a ACTION=="add", DRIVERS="wacom", RUN+="/usr/bin/sh -c 'chown :gary /sys/%p/wacom_led/*'" without success.
12:32<petn-randall>Beerbelott: You can use ip/ifconfig/route to set up any interface by hand.
12:33<petn-randall>Beerbelott: wait, are you using the live image, or the rescue option on the installer?
12:33<lindi->hicks: is that a led device?
12:33<Beerbelott>live rescue CD, Debian 7 (version 8 not available)
12:33<mariok>https://paste.debian.net/317658/
12:34<Beerbelott>petn-randall:
12:34<mariok>^^ this is what I found
12:34<mariok>maybe apt-get does not install kde-full because the package kdegames-card-data is not available?
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12:35<petn-randall>mariok: You're missing the output of 'apt-cache policy'.
12:35<petn-randall>mariok: Check the message that dpkg sent you.
12:36<mariok>sorry
12:36<petn-randall>no prob
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12:37<hicks>lindi-: yes
12:37<hicks>There's two devices in the dir, status0_luminance and status_led0_select
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12:37<lindi->hicks: afaik it is not possible to reliably grant non-root access to such devices
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12:37<hicks>I've been changing the mode manually each time I plug it in to give myself access but obviously that sucks :)
12:38<lindi->hicks: since files are added and removed dynamically and no udev events get generated for those
12:38<mariok>https://paste.debian.net/317660/
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12:38<mariok>^^^ there is the output of apt-cache policy
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12:39<mariok>https://packages.debian.org/stretch/lskat
12:40<EmleyMoor>In dmesg, [962762.206736] e1000e 0000:03:00.0 eth0: Link Speed was downgraded by SmartSpeed
12:40<mariok>^^^ on that page the text kdegames-card-data is a black thext and not a blue hyperlink
12:40<EmleyMoor>Is that indicative of dodgy cable?
12:40<petn-randall>mariok: Ah, you're running testing. Did you already run 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'?
12:40<mariok>petn-randall: I installed this machine today just a few minutes ago
12:41<mariok>but I can try
12:41<petn-randall>mariok: There's also good chances that it's uninstallable due to some transitions. testing is not a stable release, stuff breaks on quite a regular basis.
12:42<mariok>petn-randall: I know that but I want to report this so the developer get noticed about this.
12:42<mariok>I think the best way is to open a bug right?
12:42<petn-randall>mariok: Probably not
12:42<mariok>even for the testing release or do you prefer other methods ?
12:42<petn-randall>!transitions
12:42<dpkg>A transition occurs when changes in a package require alterations to several other packages which depend on it. To do this, many packages using the package are updated, either being recompiled or updated to a new version; packages blocking a transition might be removed from <testing> so it can complete. Transitions can become very large and complex, involving tens or even hundreds of packages. http://release.debian.org/transitions/
12:42<lindi->hicks: on the openmoko phone I worked around this by writing a suid root binary "om-led". It's part of the omhacks package but I haven't tested it on any other device so it might not really help you
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12:43<petn-randall>mariok: https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/auto-libkdegames.html
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12:44<hicks>lindi-: I was just thinking of doing something like that, cheers.
12:45<mariok>petn-randall: thanks for the link
12:45<mariok>but does that mean the debian devs get noticed about that automatically?
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12:46<mariok>so the only thing I have to do is to wait for that to be fixed?
12:46<mariok>or is there anything I can do to speed that up a little bit?
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12:48<petn-randall>mariok: If you know how to fix the bugs that are blocking the transitions, you can make it go faster.
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12:57<EmleyMoor>Got gigabit back by swapping cables around and using my last spare (save any I have in the loft)
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12:59<hu>hello recently I updated my system (testing) and it broke my nvidia driver. Did it happen to someone else?
13:00<lindi->hu: you probably don't mean the nvidia ethernet driver?
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13:00<hu>lindi- no i mean graphic driver
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13:04<petn-randall>mariok: It will get fixed eventuallly.
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13:30<jhutchins>hu: If you use the proprietary driver from nvidia and you upgrade the kernel you will have to recompile the driver.
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13:33<hu>I tried the 3 ways, apt proprietary and binary proprietary. None worked. they seem to install correctly but then when i reboot X is not working
13:34<hu>If i use the free driver it works, but i am not able to use steam jhutchins
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14:49<DanielaR>Hola.
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14:50<DanielaR>HOLAAAAAAAAAAA.
14:50<jhutchins>!es
14:50<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
14:50<DanielaR>Hola.
14:50<DanielaR>:c?
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14:51<DanielaR>Hay alguien?
14:51<DanielaR>Holaaaaaaa.
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16:17<mariok>good bye
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17:15<Squeezy>I am not having any luck forcing my system to retry network autoconfiguration upon dhcp failure - I am using the following: d-i netcfg/dhcp_failed note d-i netcfg/dhcp_options select Retry network autoconfiguration - What am I doing wrong?
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17:15<Squeezy>This is a preseeded install - There is absolutely no one active in #debian-boot
17:15<Squeezy>I'm not even sure why that channel exists.
17:17<somiaj>Squeezy: replace dhclient with dhcpcd
17:18<somiaj>dhclient once it fails just stops, and unless you have some tool like network manager to recall dhclient you have to manually get in the way. dhcpcd is much better as it is a dhclient daemon
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17:29<Squeezy>hmm, where can i find instructions on how to replace that package on a custom netinstall
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17:30<somiaj>Squeezy: just install the dhcpcd package, it should uninstall dhclient as a result
17:30<Squeezy>preseed
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17:31<somiaj>oh you are using a preseed, unsure how to do that swap in a preseed if this is an issue getting the network up during the install
17:31<somiaj>in that case my advise won't help. Maybe use a static ip if you can if dhclient isn't able to get a dhcpresponse in time (unsure if you can even change the timeouts or not on it)
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17:35<jrn>what's the expected latency between uploading to ftp.upload.debian.org and getting an ACCEPTED or REJECTED email?
17:35<somiaj>jrn: I'd ask in #debian-mentors, might get someone with more experiince with this
17:36<jrn>ok, thanks
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17:44<anonymous>Hi Leute
17:45<anonymous>was geht
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18:57<stefan>hello
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18:57<retrospectacus>god damn windows
18:58<retrospectacus>err. sorry about that. Hello.
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21:57<muniky>hi
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23:48<tw>Hi i needs help
23:48<somiaj>!ask
23:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:49<tw>how do i hack someone?
23:49<seeS>make sure you have a nicely honed axe
23:49<somiaj>this is a debian support channel, we support debian, not hacking some radom person and their os.
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23:51<tw>oh...then how doi get laid?
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