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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-10-25

---Logopened Sun Oct 25 00:00:03 2015
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00:16<jesus>hola
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01:15<pollux_>hi
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01:18<seeS>hello
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02:28<ondrej_g>hi, what would be the proper way to get the fix for #776752 backported to jessie?
02:28<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/776752 in unattended-upgrades (closed, patch): «uu: install_start_time = datetime.datetime.now() should be computed early»; severity: minor; opened: 2015-02-01; last modified: 2015-04-27.
02:29<ondrej_g>e.g. whether to request that this fix be backported separately into the main stable archive or to request a BPO upload
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02:30<ondrej_g>as this is a regression in stable, I would think that backporting the fix to stable directly would be the right way
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02:54<CheetahPixie>I have a problem, and you might know it. Debian 8.2 fails to boot, even in recovery mode, instead giving an instant kernel panic.
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03:36<valdyn>ondrej_g: its "minor", so it wont get into stable
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03:38<virgosun>Hi, all
03:39<virgosun>Hi all,
03:39<virgosun>I am installing canberra for event sound and input feed back sound
03:39<virgosun>I installed freedesktop sound theme and moblin
03:39<virgosun>All sound files are there
03:39<virgosun>but only trash empty event trigger sound.
03:39-!-virgosun was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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05:30<samssammerz>I'm running lxde and for some reason, whenever I open emacs through the launcher it opens up the emacs-nox version, even though I have emacs installed with x support ... how do I fix this?
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05:30<samssammerz>When I try to edit the menu launcher to remove nox, it just ignores my changes
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06:29<krapace>hi \o
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06:53<i0vvny0u>Does anyone respond in here?
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06:58<musca>i0vvny0u: yes
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06:58<musca>!ask
06:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
06:59<i0vvny0u>Thank you for the response. I thought I was using this wrong
06:59<aussie_>Hey, I'm having trouble installing packages by the terminal. Can anyone give me a small package to try and install so I can test it?
06:59<lindi->aussie_: apt-get install hello
07:00<aussie_>Yeah, same result. Output is:
07:00<aussie_>E: Unable to locate package hello
07:00<i0vvny0u>If you're using apt-get, you need to have correct repositories
07:01<i0vvny0u>pico /etc/apt/sources.list
07:01<aussie_>what do you mean, sorry?
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07:01<lindi->i0vvny0u: btw, pico is not part of debian :)
07:01<i0vvny0u>apt-get is a very nice program that does the work for you.
07:02<i0vvny0u>I'm sorry I didn't know that lol I'm super new at this stuff
07:02<aussie_>pico works for me, though?
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07:02<musca>we have nano
07:02<aussie_>Oh yes, pico just opens nano
07:02<lindi->aussie_: it just starts nano in debian yep
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07:03<aussie_>So how can I get it to work from sources.list? What should I be looking for?
07:03<i0vvny0u>You need to have the correct repositories for you to apt-get applications
07:03<lindi->aussie_: post the contents of sources.list to https://paste.debian.net/
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07:05<i0vvny0u>how do we see his post?
07:05<i0vvny0u>we just click that link?
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07:05<musca>i0vvny0u: he will give his resulting link
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07:05<i0vvny0u>OoOohhh..Okay
07:06<i0vvny0u>This is my first time using IRC and actually talking to people who respond lol
07:06<aussie_>https://paste.debian.net/317984/
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07:08<lindi->aussie_: where did that crunchbangplusplus stuff come from?
07:08<i0vvny0u>I'm not a pro, but you don't have a deb-src for line 7
07:08<aussie_>Ehh, it's a Debian distro. It's almost out of the box Debian, with a few additions
07:08<lindi->aussie_: ah, not familiar with that sorry
07:08<lindi->aussie_: maybe they have a separate channel?
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07:09<aussie_>They do, but it's quite inactive
07:09<musca>lindi-: crunchbang is dead
07:09<lindi->aussie_: ok
07:09<aussie_>Crunchbang++ is a new line of development
07:09<aussie_>Basically Crunchbang but with jessie lol
07:09<lindi->aussie_: I have no idea what sources.list should look like in crunchbang++ sorry
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07:10<musca>!based on debian
07:10<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
07:11<i0vvny0u>aussie_: Do you know what this file does?
07:11<aussie_>ok
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07:11<i0vvny0u>I'm using kali
07:11<musca>aussie_: i appreciate derivatives, but we can't support 200 different distros in one channel.
07:12<i0vvny0u>So I'm in the wrong place huh
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07:12<i0vvny0u>Should I just uninstall this and install debian? Any suggestions?
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07:13<lindi->i0vvny0u: it all depends on what you value
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07:14<i0vvny0u>lindi: What are the differences in values between Kali and Debian besides Kali coming with pentesting tools?
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07:15<lindi->i0vvny0u: I don't know
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07:19<i0vvny0u>lindi-: I just thought Kali = Debian but with preinstalled applications revolving around pentesting
07:19<lindi->i0vvny0u: I'm not sure about that
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07:20<jham>hi, i asked this question yesterday, but got no reply. maybe now? :) i'm trying to make nautilus to mount network shares over gvfs on jessie, but have no luck. if i type in into dialog of "connect to server" a uri starting with smb: the dialog prints a message "the file server type is not recognised". i have gvfs and gvfs-backends installed. could anyone give me a hint where to dig? mounting over mount -t cifs works fine.
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07:38<Marillion>jham: i'm not sure if that the reason, but does has the destination "CONFIG_CIFS_SMB*" enabled?
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08:02<petn-randall>i0vvny0u: You'll have to ask Kali what they changed, as they're a fork of Debian.
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08:03<petn-randall>i0vvny0u: Usually you use Kali as a VM to do pentesting. It's beyond my imagination why someone sane would use that as their day-to-day distro.
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08:04<petn-randall>i0vvny0u: Debian stable can get quite outdated on the 2-year mark regarding hardware support, and Kali lags behind Debian by a few months, so I imagine installing Kali on a new laptop can be quite a pain at times.
08:08<jham>Marillion: where should it be enabled? in nautilus? not sure what you mean, sorry
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08:08<Marillion>jham: its a kernel submodul :)
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08:09<jham>oh, i see. well, would not mount -t cifs also fail then?
08:10<petn-randall>jham: gvfs uses a different mechanism to mount cifs than mount does.
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08:10<Marillion>jham: i could be, or gvfs isn't compiled with samba support
08:10<petn-randall>jham: mount -t cifs makes sure a kernel module takes care of the mount. gvfs are all user space libraries, there's just a tiny bit of kernel space providing the mount point.
08:11<Marillion>s/i/it
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08:13<jham>i understand. i'll try to find out how gvfs is compiled. got the one from debian repositories. and check config_cifs_smb module.
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08:15<jham>thank you both. i just wonder whether it is something that would be inactive in debian's packages.
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08:15<petn-randall>jham: I'm fairly sure that gvfs in Debian supports smb (I'm using it).
08:16<petn-randall>jham: Do you have gvfs-fuse installed?
08:17<jham>Marillion: CONFIG_CIFS_SMB2=y
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08:18<jham>petn-randall: yes. but there is no fuse group.
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08:18<jham>gvfs-fuse 1.22.2-1
08:19<petn-randall>jham: What does 'getent group fuse' return for you?
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08:20<jham>empty output with exit code 2
08:21<jham>petn-randall ^
08:21<petn-randall>jham: That is weird. I don't know why you're missing that group.
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08:21<petn-randall>jham: Which release are you running again?
08:22<jham>jessie
08:23<jham>i think i have read somewhere, that in jessie there is no fuse group anymore. iirc it was on debian wiki somewhere. i'll try to find out where i got that
08:24<lindi->yeah
08:24<jham>https://wiki.debian.org/SystemGroups
08:25<jham>"Starting with Debian 8 (Jessie) this group is not required anymore."
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08:25<jham>not required in sense of: "you can omit that group but won't be able to access /dev/fuse"? :)
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08:27<petn-randall>jham: Interesting. If you check the permissions of /dev/fuse, it's wordwritable, so you really don't need it.
08:27<lindi->jham: in debian 8 it is rw-rw-rw-
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08:28<jham>gvfs-mount smb://... returns "Error mounting location: volume doesn't implement mount"
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08:37<jham>hmm.. is it possible gvfs somehow depends on some session settings or dbus related stuff?
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08:39<jham>i start my xsession without dbus-launch. might this be a reason for my gvfs problem?
08:40<petn-randall>jham: It's worth a try.
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08:50<lindi->jham: yeah sounds like quite an odd setup
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09:05<jham>i guess i need to mess around with xinit script one more time. i love it...
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09:12<hexa->hi, I've rebuilt jessies kernel (3.16) with make deb-pkg, but using the resulting kernel I cannot use batman-adv (rebuilt for that specific kernel) anymore. Upon insmod I get: batman_adv: Unknown symbol mcount (err 0)
09:14<hexa->happens for both 3.16 and the 4.2.x kernel from backports
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09:26<hexa->ok, assuming gcc version mismatch
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09:40<jham>i have looked into xsession scripts. looks like dbus is already starting in global Xsession scripts and only my $USERHOME/.xinitrc is started on top then. there i start my windowmanager with ck-launch-session $wm. looks legit, what do you think, lindi-, petn-randall ?
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09:41<jham>dbus-daemon is running
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09:41<jham>so that is probably not the cause of my gvfs problems
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09:49<Jack-shiT>im new to umbutu.. does the os come with an FTP client
09:49<Jack-shiT>????
09:49<Jack-shiT>a decent one ?
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09:55<themill>Jack-shiT: you'd be looking for #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net; you might also want to ask a question that actually has an answer
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09:57<jham>ha! running export $(dbus-launch) before gvfs-mount makes the mount work! now my question: what is the proper way to set dbus envvars on startx? so that also nautilus and co. use them?
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10:03<jham>got it! looks like i still needed dbus-launch in my exec wm line in xinitrc: exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session /usr/bin/notion
10:03<jham>thank you lindi-, MasterShake, petn-randall
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10:29<tsimonq2>I am starting to get frustrated...on the netinst install of Debian, the Scanning Mirrors screen hangs at 33%...
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10:32<somiaj>tsimonq2: are you sure your network card is up and running on the netinstall? Sure your network card dosen't require non-free firmware?
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10:42<blawiz>anyone using intel nuc i5?
10:43<blawiz>compatible with debian stable?
10:43<somiaj>what is a nuc?
10:43<somiaj>Also do you know if the hardware is compadable with linux? And what linux kernel gives compadability?
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10:44<tsimonq2>somiaj: trying without a mirror for now
10:44<blawiz>http://www.multicom.no/multicom-i120-mini-pc-intel-nuc/cat-p/c/p10631454
10:44<blawiz>i dont know any of that
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10:47<somiaj>blawiz: after a quick glance I would say good possibility linux supports the hardware. You may want to look at each hardware bit by bit, but I belive all the major hardawre bits I saw are supported
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10:47<blawiz>somiaj, cool, ty man :]
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11:07<bjk_>hello. im using sysvinit and recently upgraded some (Xorg) packages and can no longer startx. the error is (EE) systemd-logind: failed to get session: PID 12545 does not belong to any known session. any ideas how to fix it?
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11:08<somiaj>bjk_: what version of debian are you running?
11:08<somiaj>I can't recall any xorg updates in jessie recentally.
11:08<bjk_>somiaj: testing
11:08<somiaj>you should be asking this in #debian-next
11:08<bjk_>thanks
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11:38<lauri_>I don't see the need to use Microsoft products nor Ubuntu. Debian is enough.
11:38<lauri_>I don't think Red Hat is a necessary distribution to know how to use.
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11:47<pino>ciao
11:47<pino>!list
11:47<dpkg>pino: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più.
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11:50<xormor>moi
11:50<xormor>!list
11:50<dpkg>xormor: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
11:50<xormor>hei
11:50<xormor>!list
11:50<dpkg>xormor: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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12:18<domovoy>hi
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12:21<domovoy>(debian sid) my laptop's harddrive keeps working and i get errors like "too many open files". a "lsof | awk '{ print $2 " " $1; }' | sort -rn | uniq -c | sort -rn | head" confirms what i suspected: encfs is grabbing 11482 files... why is that? is it a bug? how can i investigate more? how can i stop it?
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12:24<xormor>domovoy, what is encfs - "encrypt filesystem"?
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12:25<domovoy>xormor: yes, i use it to crypt my home directory
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12:27<xormor>domovoy, ok. I checked it out with "apt-cache show encfs". it told me that it can create a whole encrypted Unix file system inside the existing (non-encrypted) filesystem. would I need that kind of software? I don't do anything illegal nor secretive.
12:27<xormor>domovoy, I don't have any secrets.
12:28-!-mode/#debian [+l 726] by debhelper
12:28<domovoy>xormor: good for you
12:31<xormor>I don't think being able to use computers is necessary, except for entertainment, banking, studying, and perhaps working or writing, or drawing or maktht, tng music. of course people can use multimedia and entertain themselves. I don't think all that is necessary, though.
12:31<xormor>computers can be used to make music.
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12:33<nstr>so you think that privacy basically is a bad thing?
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12:37<domovoy>hmmmm, now my hardrive seems to have stopped grinding its teeth, but i still have 11482 opened by encfs. top tells me that dconf-service is now the process using much of my system ressources, and i still can't save that source file i heavily modified (too many open files)
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12:40<domovoy>maybe encfs was doing some routine checks or something, and haven't released its file handles when finished... that would be a bug
12:41<domovoy>i'd like to know what happens there... can i safely reboot without risking data corruption on my encrypted fs?
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12:52<hexxbug>good Morning
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13:00<domovoy>ok, i did a reboot. first login encfs failed to mount encrypted filesystem. logout, try again, all goes well. go figure. seems to be alright now, still, i'd like to know what happened
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13:03<tsimonq2>it would be awesome if I could find a minimal Debian image...I don't want a desktop, I don't want extra unneeded packages, I just want a bare minimal system
13:03<tsimonq2>how could I install one?
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13:07<musca>!netinst
13:07<dpkg>[netinst] a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
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13:08<tsimonq2>ok, thank you very much
13:08<musca>tsimonq2: even with standard images you don't have to install a desktop
13:08<tsimonq2>musca: could I get a stretch netinst image as well?
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13:10<musca>tsimonq2: the recommended install procedure for testing or unstable is: install stable, edit sources, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
13:11<musca>the alpha versions of the testing installer are for testing the installer, not for installing testing.
13:11<tsimonq2>musca: oh, so zi just change jessie to stretch then?
13:11<tsimonq2>*I
13:12<tsimonq2>in my sources.list?
13:12<musca>i will not recommend testing for you if you need to ask this.
13:13<musca>tsimonq2: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#FAQ
13:13<tsimonq2>no, I just wanted to confirm. I am fairly experienced with Ubuntu, so I wanted to know if it was any different
13:14<tsimonq2>and it isn't, same procedure in Ubuntu, give or take
13:15<tsimonq2>and besides, I just want to have them in VMs for testing purposes. I run Lubuntu right now.
13:15<musca>good idea
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13:16<tsimonq2>hey, I am crazy enough to run xenial before they announce it is available for development(2 hours after wily is released), but if the installer won't even work for stretch, I am not that stupid
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13:16<tsimonq2>plus, redwolf did a good job with the artwork in Lubuntu, so I prefer that
13:16<tsimonq2>but thank you for helpinh
13:16<tsimonq2>*helping
13:17<musca>we really should switch to #debian-next now
13:17<musca>(see topic)
13:17<tsimonq2>already idling
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13:55<reza>hi
13:55<reza>how to install wine?
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14:03<nstr>apt-get install wine
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14:08<baltar>o/
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14:10<baltar>debian has come a long way since woody
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14:11<baltar>well actually potato
14:11<citr>dselect still around?
14:11<dselect>well, around is yes, of course
14:11<baltar>that's the last version I used until now
14:11<somiaj>why not go all the way back to
14:11<somiaj>Bo?
14:11<citr>tried searching for it with dpkg
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14:12<somiaj>citr: I recall some suggestion about dropping it, but I think it is still around. I think it isn't matained that much (only in terms of maybe keeping it working)
14:12<somiaj>,v dselect
14:12<judd>Package: dselect on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.15.11; squeeze-security: 1.15.11; squeeze-security-lts: 1.15.12; wheezy-security: 1.16.16; wheezy: 1.16.16; jessie: 1.17.25; sid: 1.18.3; stretch: 1.18.3
14:13<citr>ah there it is
14:13<somiaj>I recall some bug report wanting to drop it, but there are still a few people who use it. It is there, I think most fixes are just bug/security fixes and they are rare.
14:13<baltar>somiaj: lol
14:13<somiaj>I woudln't suggest using it, but that is just my bias
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14:13<defalt>sup guys
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14:14<baltar>hey
14:14<defalt>channel for kali linux is here?
14:15<baltar>been using freebsd, openbsd since then... not as good with multimedia as linux is
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14:15<defalt>no, i mean a channel for hacking topic
14:16<defalt> (__)
14:16<defalt> (oo)
14:16<defalt> /------\/
14:16<defalt>/ ||
14:16<defalt> * /\---/\
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14:17<somiaj>!kali
14:17<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
14:17<defalt>sorry gius
14:17<defalt>!kali
14:17<somiaj>defalt: It is on freenode
14:18<defalt>http://paste.debian.net/318072/
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15:02<teszting>árvíztűrőtükörfúrógép
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15:11<Debian_Rocker>Hi all
15:11<Debian_Rocker>That's my first time here
15:11<somiaj>!ask
15:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:12<Debian_Rocker>oh, sorry, just intended to congratulation yours about this Marvellous OS !
15:12<Debian_Rocker>Sorry !
15:13<somiaj>Debian_Rocker: that is fine, thanks! This is a place mostly focused on supporting debian.
15:13<somiaj>Debian_Rocker: so we are volunteers who also like the OS and are here to help people with it. We just try to stay on topic in this channel and focus on support mostly (a little bit of debian discussion is fine)
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15:15<Debian_Rocker>oh, ok somiaj, I'm Happy to have yours as my support, but I will study hardly to be able to help this channel in a soon future. I installed Jessie 8.1 but I couldn't update it to 8.2 through sudo apt-get update / sudo apt-get upgrade
15:15<Debian_Rocker>there is wget, but I don't know if that is the case to use it now
15:16<Debian_Rocker>just want to update 8.1 to 8.2
15:16<somiaj>Debian_Rocker: do you have a proper internet mirror in your sources.list or only have the dvd image in your sources.list
15:16<somiaj>!jessie sources.list
15:16<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
15:16<somiaj>Debian_Rocker: have a sources.list similar to that so you can get the packages from the mirror and then apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade.
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15:22<Debian_Rocker>it's not clear for me yet, I'm quite novice using command line: I know I ought to specify a sourcel list,but don't know how to use it, through a syntax in command line
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15:23<Debian_Rocker>I will try here, don't know how to start but I will spend some effort in order to fix this issue
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15:23<somiaj>Debian_Rocker: Do you have access to any text editor you like to use.
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15:23<Debian_Rocker>I think I have nano and emacs here
15:23<somiaj>Debian_Rocker: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list is one way to do it, but this uses a console editor. You can switch nano with emacs, gedit or whatever editor you like
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15:24<somiaj>Debian_Rocker: you can then paste your sources.list at paste.debian.net if you want someone to check it first
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15:26<Debian_Rocker>somiaj, in the case of a novice like me, what do you suggest ? I even don't know what text editor is better for my case. I know to edit some configuration files through nano
15:26<Debian_Rocker>but don't know to use vim or emacs yet
15:26<Debian_Rocker>can I use nano, instead ?
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15:27<somiaj>Debian_Rocker: to me 'better' is the one you know how to use to sucessfuly change the file. Any will work.
15:27<somiaj>Debian_Rocker: use any editor you can be sucessful with is key here.
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15:27<Debian_Rocker>ok somiaj, Great and Thanks for your Support !
15:28<Debian_Rocker>I will read about channel rules, sorry for the mistakes !
15:29<SynrGy>Debian_Rocker: if 8.1 was installed successfully, with the network enabled at the time, no editing of sources.list would be required after that. you said you "couldn't update it to 8.2". what happened when you tried those commands?
15:30<SynrGy>normally at install time a correct sources.list is created. that might not happen if the network configuration failed during your install. but otherwise, it should be fine.
15:31<Debian_Rocker>let me reproduce again the procedure, SynrGy, just one moment, please
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15:32<Debian_Rocker>SynrGy, it was my fault here, update runs ok: Obter:9 http://security.debian.org jessie/updates/main Translation-en [79,1 kB]
15:32<Debian_Rocker>Baixados 515 kB em 18s (27,5 kB/s)
15:32<Debian_Rocker>Lendo listas de pacotes... Pronto
15:32<Debian_Rocker>root@r4f:~#
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15:34<SynrGy>Debian_Rocker: two things, as the kick message said when you got autokicked for flooding, use paste.debian.net instead of pasting to the channel. and secondly, put LANG=C in front of the command to get messages in english, so: LANG=C apt-get update
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15:35<Debian_Rocker>oh, sorry, I'm quite novice, have to learn a lot
15:35<SynrGy>Debian_Rocker: but if the only line you have is for security.debian.org, then your sources.list is incomplete. security carries only *additional* security patches, and is not a whole archive
15:36<SynrGy>however, show the whole output of the command at paste.debian.net, and also the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list
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15:37<Debian_Rocker>ok SynrGy, I will read these instructions to be able to follow yours better, thanks a lot !
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15:52<Debian_Rocker>SynrGy, used your instruction, thanks (LANG=C), it replied: Calculating upgrade... Done
15:52<Debian_Rocker>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
15:52<Debian_Rocker>when I used sudo apt-get upgrade - answering your question you made me before
15:54<somiaj>Debian_Rocker: can you run the command 'apt-cache policy' and paste its output at paste.debian.net
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15:55<Debian_Rocker>I will do it, somiaj, thanks
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16:01<Debian_Rocker>Thanks for your attention, somiaj and SynrGy. Hope see you soon !
16:01<Debian_Rocker>Bye !
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16:25<unknown>hi
16:25<centrx>ahoy
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16:30<gomoran>I try to build bitcoin-qt from sid on stretch. gives me: “dh: Unknown sequence common-install-prehook-arch…” Any hint?
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16:32<Busi>So i "kinda" meessed up on my server was gonna set chmod 777 on a folder and added a / with a mistake and it went crazy and started to chmod everything. is there anyway i can recover from that other than a reinstall? i would reinstall but can't seems to be able to backup my sql databases now
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17:04<gino>ciao
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17:50<liarwolf>do i have t register as a user to chat?
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17:51<seeS>nope, you seem to be doing fine as is
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17:52<liarwolf>thanks, i have a mint question. think i might be in the wrong place
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17:53<seeS>probably
17:53<liarwolf>t
17:53<liarwolf>thanks*
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17:57<ompaul>not probably, actually :)
17:57<ompaul>!mint
17:57<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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18:24<seeS>well dpkg has laid down the law on mint then
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21:43<Arcade>Hello there, can I ask if a package is out of date is there a way to flag the owner to updating it?
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21:45<dvs>Arcade: file a bug?
21:47<somiaj>yea a wishlish bug and request for new upstream version. You can also check the pts page and probably see warnings about it being out of date too
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21:48<Arcade>looking at hexchat* shows the next release as being updated
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21:49<alian>longas-01.ivs
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21:50<somiaj>Arcade: I don't see what you are talking about, 2.10.2 the newest release is in debian
21:50<somiaj>,v hexchat
21:50<judd>Package: hexchat on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.10.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.10.1-1; sid: 2.10.2-1+b1; stretch: 2.10.2-1+b1
21:50<Arcade>jessie: 2.10.1-1
21:50<somiaj>looks like you will have to make your own backport if you want it in jessie though. And jessie is a frozen system packages, don't get updated in jessie.
21:51<Arcade>Ah gotcha "system packages, don't get updated in jessie"
21:51<lostsoul>exit
21:51<somiaj>debian stable is frozen. backports are made on the desire of the matainer. A wishlist bug might be a good place to request a backport, unsure of any other places.
21:51<somiaj>!tell Arcade about ssb
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21:52<somiaj>Arcade: you might be able to follow those rules to make your own package from the version in stretch you can then isntall on jessie. You wont' get security support on this package but you can then use the newer version. You can also wait to see if the matainer decides to make a backport. He backported it for wheezy so he may backport it for jessie
21:52<Arcade>I actually know the developer I may contact him first.
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21:53<Arcade>Ubuntu ppa shows updated I wonder if he just forgot to update debian :)
21:53<Arcade>thank you
21:54<somiaj>he did update debian, packages when they enter debian go to sid, and then drop to testing
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21:54<Arcade>yup and its not any physical software change
21:54<somiaj>stable is a frozen system, packages don't enter it. Sometimes backports are made to allow newer software for jessie, but these don't have the same security support as the frozen system.
21:55<somiaj>but in this case I think you could easily compile your own backport.
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21:56<Arcade>I will do some looking actually had thought I might try building a simple app and deploying it out :)
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21:57<somiaj>Arcade: did you get that factoid I ahd the bot send you. It will give you steps to autmoate this process and should work as a start
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21:58<Arcade>Yeah I did somiaj brb rebooting chat client for update
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22:02<Arcade>back. its got conflicting packages. I think I will just leave it be :)
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22:10<Arcoverde>Hi.. I'm using Debian 8.2 and can't start virtualbox. First installed from repos. After tried install .deb package from virtualbox. In both cases, had set suid bit on /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox. But always got the same error: VirtualBox: Error -10 in SUPR3HardenedMain! VirtualBox: Effective UID is not root (euid=1000 egid=1000 uid=1000 gid=1000) VirtualBox: Tip! It may help to reinstall VirtualBox.
22:11<Arcoverde>with root, it starts. But I wanna use with my user
22:12<Arcoverde>does anyone had this problem and solved it?
22:13<somiaj>Arcoverde: Does the virtualbox binary in a group so you just need to add your user to the appropriate group to run it?
22:13<alejandr000>hello all!
22:15<somiaj>Arcoverde: I'm not seeing any assoicated bugs. Seems it has multiple binaries that should be setuid correctly, and I see a bug requesting to restrict access to a set group, but so far that is still open. So I'm unsure why it is not setting the suid bit correctly. Maybe you need to run a wrapper rpgoram.
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22:16<alejandr000>is virtual box available with 'apt-get' ??
22:17<somiaj>yes, I just think it is in contrib due to some issue with non-free software required to build the bios
22:17<Arcoverde>somiaj, checked it now. Saw the files in virtualbox path was owned by root:root. Changed for root:vboxusers, but got same error.
22:18<Arcoverde>somiaj, i'll check all binaries
22:18<somiaj>Arcoverde: yea seems vboxusers is just to allow access to usb devices. I don't use vbox, but either the postinst script failed to set the suid bit correctly or you need to launch it differently in debian.
22:19<somiaj>Arcoverde: so from what I read there should be multiple binaries with the setuid when installed. I just don't know virtualbox enough to do this. (I personally just use libvirt)
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22:20<somiaj>alejandr000: virtualbox is in conrib which is not enabled by default. This is due to a very small issue with the BIOS that is shipped with virtual box can only be built using non-free software (though the bios itself is free). Hence since it cannot be fully built with free software it livs in contrib.
22:21<Arcoverde>I'll search more about this trouble. Thanks a lot, somiaj
22:22<alejandr000>somiaj : good to know. Thanks.
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22:28<Arcade>I wonder if gnome-boxes may be another option...
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23:28<Arcade>when booting from a live cd does debian use plymouth still for showing the nice bootup screen?
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