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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-10-30

---Logopened Fri Oct 30 00:00:10 2015
00:01<k-man>yean, i'm using udisks2 apparently
00:02<k-man>anyway, usb0 and usb1 show up in Thunar. if i click on them i get an error: mount: unknonw filesystem type zfs_member
00:02<k-man>how do i hide them from thunar?
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00:07<scenario>hi, could someone help me?
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00:24<twb>k-man: please pastebin output of "sudo blkid"
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00:25<twb>To hide them in thunar, right-click on the sidebar and untick them
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00:25<twb>http://sprunge.us/DfZP is my /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/thunar.xml
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00:43<k-man>twb, ah, thanks that worked for hiding them
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00:44<k-man>http://sprunge.us/FXUj
00:44<k-man>twb, what are you looking for in the blockids?
00:44<twb>what the OS thought about your disk/partitions
00:44<twb>If you're happy, don't worry about it
00:44<k-man>yeah, its fine now thanks
00:45<k-man>xfce3 is nice
00:45<k-man>err. 4 even
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01:27<k-man>do i need special permissions for a user to be able to burn CDs and DVDs other than bing in the cdrom group?
01:28<k-man>xfburner as a user said "error, make sure you have permission" or similar, but as root it works fine
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01:33<twb>k-man: are you using systemd?
01:34<twb>If you use systemd, and you log in in a "normal" way, you don't even need to be a member of the cdrom group.
01:35<twb>ls -l /dev/sr0 ---> it'll say 'rw-rw----+' -- the + means it has had ACL rules added by systemd.
01:35<twb>I can't remember how to list them
01:36<twb>xfburner4 might be trying to privesc explicitly via polkit+dbus, rather than just trying to write directly to the device. Thunar is like that for mounting.
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01:37<twb>I've bricked my xfce test host, but I can check for you in about an hour
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01:37<twb>Ah, "getfacl /dev/sr0" --> user:p123:rw
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01:43<k-man>twb, i see
01:44<k-man>hmm, not sure why xfburner was having issues then
01:44<twb>k-man: put in a written disc and run "isoinfo -d dev=/dev/sr0" as non-root -- does it work?
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01:47<k-man>http://sprunge.us/BhIR
01:47<twb>That's weird
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01:48<twb>You did that with a disc inserted, yes?
01:48<k-man>yeah
01:49<twb>Dunno then.
01:49<twb>Just use "sudo -g cdrom wodim foo.iso" like a boss
01:49<k-man>ok :)
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03:29<Rholk>Hi, i have a kernel panic using stretch. Topo is: hybernation seems to have fail and now when i want to restart the laptop, the kernel oops at function scsi_runtime_resume / sd_resume.
03:30<Rholk>If i change kernel, i can boot. But if i remove this kernel and install it again, everytime i want to boot on it... kernel oops.
03:30<Rholk>Is there a way to clear hybernation state for this kernel?
03:31<Rholk>side not: laptop is efi enabled
03:31<jm_>the topic for this channe says: testing/unstable: #debian-next
03:31<jm_>so please ask there
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03:36<Rholk>jm_: thx, i will post there
03:37<Rholk>Hi, i have a kernel panic using stretch. Topo is: hybernation seems to have fail and now when i want to restart the laptop, the kernel oops at function scsi_runtime_resume / sd_resume.
03:37<Rholk>fail...
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03:44<jm_>try passing noresume to kernel
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03:47<Rholk>jm_: already did this, no luck. still oops at sd_resume
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03:48<jm_>Rholk: it makes sense to mention more details, i.e. what you have tried already so people don't waste time suggesting the same thing again
03:49<jm_>Rholk: then try booting with a rescue system, make a backup of the swap partition and mkswap it (or if that's not enough, overwrite it with zeros then mkswap it again)
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04:10<Rholk>jm_: I tried to remove from initramfs any reference to the swap partition to completely disable swap, no luck.
04:10<jm_>Rholk: better to mkswap/zero it
04:11<Rholk>jm_: i booted on windows and use virtualbox with one of my debian to debug the faulty one (linked as a raw disk)
04:11<Rholk>jm_: and i can also boot the faulty disk on virtualbox using efi option. And it is the same problem. (so i think it is not bus / hardware related, the disk work correctly from another debian)
04:11<Rholk>jm_: i will give this a try
04:12<jm_>Rholk: well if you omit 'quiet' as kernel boot option you would see if there's an issue with the disk (it might be a good option in general for this issue)
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04:14<jm_>don't forget to edit fstab if you use UUID-s there
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04:23<tidux>any word on whether there are plans to add xdg-app to stretch or stretch+1?
04:24<jm_>tidux: the topic says -- testing/unstable: #debian-next
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04:29<Rholk>jm_: No luck with zero / mkswap. The only error i could see is that just before the oops, i get 'sata link down' from disks
04:32<jm_>Rholk: right so it's something else, maybe that's why hibernation also failed -- try testing the disk using smartmontools and badblocks, or maybe try a newer kernel (build one yourself if needed)
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05:49<p0rk0ff>hi, after installing locales package and generating a locale for my language, all the locales variables now default to POSIX at startup. I created /etc/locale.conf with my desired values in it too, but is seems not to be read by systemd at boot
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05:50<jm_>it's /etc/default/locale
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05:54<p0rk0ff>jm_: oh thanks... i was reading the man page for locale.conf. so isn't it a bit misleading?
05:56<jm_>p0rk0ff: and you are using systemd?
05:56<p0rk0ff>ssure
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05:57<twb>Yea I had the same problem with misleading docs in v215
05:57<twb>Debian patches the file it reads, but not the docs
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05:57<jm_>heh
05:58<twb>I didn't chase it up because there was a good chance I was accidentally reading the upstream docs
05:58<twb>p0rk0ff: please file a bug
05:59<p0rk0ff>for which package? locales or systemd?
05:59<twb>systemd
06:00<p0rk0ff>ok
06:00<twb>argh can't find the code
06:00<p0rk0ff>i'll check a couple of things before
06:03<twb>debian/patches/Update-localed-to-use-the-Debian-config-files.patch or debian/patches/0001-Add-back-support-for-Debian-specific-config-files.patch maybe
06:03<jm_>yeah that one
06:03<jm_>Add-back-support-for
06:03<twb>Both change locale.conf to default/locale
06:03<twb>Both are present in 215-18
06:04<jm_>but that's only done if reading/parsing "/etc/locale.conf" fails
06:04<twb>>shrug<
06:04<jm_>so still confusing
06:04<twb>When I tested it, /etc/locale.conf was *completely ignored* in v215 on jessie
06:05<twb>YMMV, good luck, etc.
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06:21<p0rk0ff>well i discovered that running "locale" and "localectl status" gives discording values for locale variables
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06:23<p0rk0ff>localectl shows the one read from /etc/locale.conf but they are not reflected running "locale"
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06:31<twb>That's... interesting
06:31<twb>localectl is asking systemd via dbus; locale reporting your user's current settings
06:31<p0rk0ff>twb, jm_ which one is the debian specific file the patches refer to?
06:31<twb>So the difference might be you haven't logged out&back in, or you have silly .profile
06:32<p0rk0ff>twb: i'm even rebooting after changing those files, just to be sure
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06:34<twb>p0rk0ff: please pastebin output from both
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06:38<jm_>p0rk0ff: /etc/default/locale
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06:42<p0rk0ff>http://paste.debian.net/plainh/07854927
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06:42<twb>Incidentally, #systemd thing debian is sucky because we are still running Xorg as root
06:42<p0rk0ff>this one is when /etc/locale.conf is non-empty and /etc/default/locale is empty
06:43<twb>Apparently on fedora it all runs as a regular user
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06:46<pascal>hi
06:47<pascal>anyone knows a channel to speak aboutr server stuff ?
06:47<twb>pascal: ubuntu has a dedicated server channel, but for debian I think just #debian
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06:48<pascal>i got a server with an lsi megaraid card and i am getting 1mb/s out of it and i am running out of ideas to set it properly
06:48<twb>(There's ##windows-server, too, now I think of it.)
06:48<pascal>thx
06:48<twb>pascal: I only really know about those in passthrough mode
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06:48<pascal>i tried that , wan t enought
06:49<twb>cos it's proprietary you probably won't get much answer here
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06:49<pascal>well , it s very common on servers
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07:36<p0rk0ff>sorry guys, but i had a networking problem so i saved a bug report and exited from bugreport... how do i load that report again in order to send it?
07:37<p0rk0ff>*reportbug
07:37<jm_>saved it how?
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07:39<p0rk0ff>jm_: i was prompted from reportbug itself after he failed to contact the smtp server. it asked if i wanted to retry to connect to the server or save the report and exit
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07:39<jm_>p0rk0ff: look at the file, does it have all the headers etc.?
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07:39<p0rk0ff>jm_: yes it's like the body
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07:40<jm_>p0rk0ff: just the body or full mail headers?
07:40<p0rk0ff>but it has additional headers too
07:40<p0rk0ff>yes full mail headers
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07:41<p0rk0ff>(i can copy/paste, there would be no problem... but it's just to know if it's handled automagically by reportbug)
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07:42<jm_>so you should be able to use that directly with the sendmail command, or read what man reportbug says for -o
07:44<p0rk0ff>thanks
07:44<jm_>no problem
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08:01<p0rk0ff>jm_: well, it seems it's reportbug no longer accepting pasting password into it when authenticating to smtp server... is it possible? i remember i used to paste passwords before
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08:02<p0rk0ff>but now i got authentication failures doing it, so i had to type it by hand
08:04<jm_>p0rk0ff: it has --smtpuser and --smtppasswd options
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08:07<p0rk0ff>jm_: i know, but i usually enter passwords only when prompted and from a password manager... and i always used it that way
08:08<p0rk0ff>that's why i'm asking because i don't remember to have had any issue... but nevermind
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08:10<jm_>p0rk0ff: maybe the actual mail sending command did that then
08:10<jm_>(--mta)
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09:26<d34thincarnate>eh
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10:17<shan_z>Im trying to fix gedit problem could not open display
10:18<shan_z>any help
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10:19<shan_z>http://pastebin.com/2dXr5S5B the result
10:19<shan_z>only root access is denied
10:20<somiaj>A root enviroment might have access to the xorg info without some fiddling around, why not run gedit though sudo
10:20<somiaj>its an envorment issue as roots enviorment is different than the users.
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10:23<shan_z>but i need root access to add lines to my sources.list
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10:23<shan_z>any way to fix this
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10:23<abrotman>shan_z: sux or gksudo
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10:24<somiaj>shan_z: as I said use sudo, this way you don't have to use roots enviroment. Also how are you becoming root?
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10:24<shan_z>it used to be working fine until i have tried to install wine
10:24<shan_z>su
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10:25<shan_z>Iam new to debian and linux
10:25<somiaj>shan_z: just 'su' not 'su -'?
10:25<shan_z>just su
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10:26<somiaj>anyways just use sudo to run gedit, or use a terminal editor like nano
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10:27<shan_z>it syas the user is not in sudoers files
10:28<somiaj>shan_z: add the user to the sudo group then relog should fix that
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10:28<blast007>shan_z: what lines are you trying to add?
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10:31<kraiskil>Am I reading this page correctly? gtk3-theme-unico is not available for Debian jessie? https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gtk3-engines-unico
10:31<kraiskil>but all other Debians have it?
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10:34<shan_z>add "user" sudo
10:34<blast007>kraiskil: if by "all other" you mean wheezy, testing, and unstable, then yes
10:34<somiaj>shan_z: adduser username sudo
10:35<somiaj>that should also give you a link to see why it was removed from jessie kraiskil
10:35<kraiskil>ok. weird... wait - how many debian versions are there? :)
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10:36<kraiskil>somiaj, seems "# Auto-removed but got re-added due to BTS bug"
10:36<kraiskil>a bit of a lame reason, but perhaps it is time to go "testing" :)
10:36<shan_z>it said user added but still says user is not in sudoers file, i have restarted the terminal still same result
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10:38<somiaj>shan_z: you have to logout/back in for tha tto take effect
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10:42<shan_z>I loged out and loged it now my user is ready as sudo but the gedit error states same could not open x display
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10:45<lostatwork>it would be much easier to just use nano
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10:49<somiaj>shan_z: unsure what the issue is.
10:50<new2armor>hello, can someone share apparmor profile for iceweasel ?
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10:50<shan_z>nano is sweet but still need to find a way to fix this gedit problem
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10:59<abrotman>shan_z: I told you how to fix this awhile ago ...
10:59<abrotman>"fix"
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11:01<krofek>how can i use radeon hd 2400 pro with jessie 8?
11:04<towo`>krofek, install firmware-linux-nonfree and use it easy
11:04<krofek>tired that, got unworking system :D
11:04<towo`>krofek, otherwise you have to specify, what's your problem
11:05<krofek>x refuses to start after installing firmware-linux-nonfree
11:05<towo`>krofek, this is an ancient card which is supported since ages
11:05<towo`>krofek, then you have to provide relevant logfiles
11:05<krofek>at /etc/syslog?
11:05<krofek>i mean /var/log/syslog
11:05<towo`>krofek, no, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
11:06<towo`>krofek, you have not tryed to install catalyst?
11:06<krofek>nopes
11:06<towo`>good
11:07<krofek>cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log is empty
11:07<krofek>.old gives something
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11:08<krofek>cant see anything radeon related in Xorg.0.log.old
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11:09<krofek>towo`, where should i dig next?
11:09<towo`>krofek, dmesg æ grep -i radeon
11:09<towo`>grr
11:09<towo`>krofek, dmesg | grep -i radeon
11:10<krofek>im currently in recovery shell aka livecd chrooted into /
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11:10<towo`>krofek, ynd you sure you have looked in /var/log from your install?
11:11<krofek>pretty much, i got all in 1 partition
11:11<towo`>if there would be a try of starting x, a logfile Xorg.0.log should be there
11:11<krofek>it is, but its empty
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11:13<towo`>do you have any nomodeset or radeon.modeset=0 in your kernel-command at grub?
11:13<krofek>nope, should i add that manually?
11:13<towo`>krofek, or any blacklist of radeon in /etc/modprobe.d/foo.conf?
11:13<towo`>krofek, no
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11:14<towo`>you should boot the system, it does not help, if we see no relevant messages from the system
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11:14<krofek>i removed firmware-linux-nonfree and now it seems to work
11:14<krofek>i got working X again
11:14<krofek>so whats next? :D
11:15<towo`>paste Xorg.0.log
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11:21<krofek>http://pastebin.com/bxkF8Y9X
11:22<krofek>lspci | grep VGA says AMD/ATI RV610 LE Radeon HD 2400 PRO AGP
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11:23<towo`>krofek, grep radeon /etc/modprobe.d/*
11:24<krofek> says /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklis.conf/fbdebv-blacklist.conf:blacklist radeonfb
11:24<towo`>krofek, without the firmware, x can't use the radeon ddx, so your system now is using vesa
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11:24<krofek>but if i install firmware i cant get to X at all
11:24<krofek>neither to any other tty
11:24<towo`>krofek, so without the fimware and a start with it, i can't say, what's wrong
11:25<krofek>https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
11:25<krofek>is info here up to date?
11:25<krofek>The radeon driver in Debian 8 "Jessie" supports R100 to Hawaii (Radeon 7000 - Radeon R9 290) GPUs. See the
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11:26<towo`>krofek, sure
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11:26<towo`>krofek, lsmod | grep radeon shows anything?
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11:28<krofek_>http://pastebin.com/qJdK9HN2
11:29<towo`>krofek_, so in theorie your system should work with firmware installed
11:30<krofek>:D why it doesnt then? :D
11:30<krofek>what about that
11:30<towo`>krofek, it's your system, i don't seat at front of it
11:30<krofek>The radeon driver in Debian 8 "Jessie" supports R100 to Hawaii (Radeon 7000 - Radeon R9 290) GPUs. See the
11:30<towo`>and i do not own a crystalball
11:30<krofek>doesnt that mean that hd2400 is not supported?
11:30<none>i have installed wine
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11:31<none>and i cant find the app any where
11:31<towo`>none, and?
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11:31<towo`>none, you know how wine is used?
11:31<krofek>towo`, anyhting else i can try? or should i try with proprietary?
11:31<towo`>none, wine is not a programm, which let you click anywhere
11:32<towo`>krofek, there is no propritary driver for that ancient card
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11:33<RAPTURE>HELLO EVERYONE
11:33<dnsk>well hello hello
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11:34<RAPTURE>AM NEW TO PARROT OS NEED HELP IN UPDATE
11:34<towo`>here is debian
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11:34<towo`>and don't use caps all the time
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11:35<RAPTURE>thats cool with me @towo
11:35<abrotman>RAPTURE: we don't support Parrot here
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11:35<RAPTURE>and what do you support if i may ask
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11:36<towo`>RAPTURE, how is this channel named?
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11:37<krofek>lol. Tried again same thing. Just blank screen
11:37<krofek>with no input
11:38<krofek>and ctrl alt f2 Doesnt switch to other tty
11:38<krofek>that certifies as a freeze?
11:38<towo`>krofek, you have 2 choices
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11:38<towo`>krofek, live with vesa, buy recent hardware
11:39<krofek>towo`, gladyl, but aint got any other pc that has LPT port :D other than this one :D
11:40<jhutchins>krofek: Strictly speaking you can't be sure it's a full freeze unless it's not responding to ssh, but for practical purposes.
11:40<krofek>jhutchins, ill install ssh, and report back
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11:41<fsassone>Hello?
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11:54<krofek>jhutchins, towo` not responding to ssh either, showing only - on monitor
11:55<krofek>in upper left corner
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11:59<krofek>is debian 7 still supported? or how long it will be?
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12:04<frexm>krofek: Still get updates, yes.
12:04<frexm>Can't find any eol/end of life, though..
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12:05<krofek>Debian 7 “Wheezy” from February 2016 to May 2018
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12:05<frexm>But then there is the LTS..
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12:05<frexm>krofek: Ah, where did you find that?
12:06<frexm>I saw something indicating that at https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
12:06<krofek>yup right there
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12:07<frexm>Hmm.. where does it come from though..?
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12:08<frexm>I have another question, why is there no security update for XSA-148 yet?
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12:48<neskau>Gentlemen, good afternoon , is there any specific command that I can see all the IPs that are having access to a machine , whether they come from sites that machine hosts or even attempted DDoS attack?
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12:49<lindi->frexm: I don't know, it was only disclosed yesterday so maybe people are just busy?
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12:50<stdhell>neskau: You mean something like netstat or deeper than that?
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12:51<neskau>[(stderr)]: I say some sort of report Example : 200.200.200.200 tried to connect to the machine or is sending packets to your machine , something ...
12:51<frexm>lindi-: I do hope so. Does the security team not receive heads up notice though?
12:52<lindi->frexm: I don't know if it applied to this particular issue or not
12:52<lindi->frexm: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-7835
12:53<frexm>lindi-: It is, I must've missed that.
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13:03<torouter>ello
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13:09<torouter>I'm about to do a debian install on an SSD, and Ive been reading about something called 'trim' on the drive, but apparently trim is a windows only thing? I dont know what trim is, but does it have anything to do with debian? should do anything about it?
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13:10<towo`>no, trim is not windows only
13:10<torouter>is it a factor in a debian install?
13:11<towo`>but sadly mist ssd firmwares have bad trim implementations, so trim is disabled for many devices
13:11<towo`>s/mist/most
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13:12<torouter>up until now I only knew trim as something to make butter out of
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13:14<marek>chuuj
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13:14<marek>jak tam haloween
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13:15<torouter>iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii want candy (drums)
13:15<towo`>torouter, what's your problem exact?
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13:15<torouter>just asking if this 'trim' thing is something I should do something about at install time... can I make a trim partition? sorry I dont now much about it
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13:16<torouter>can I do something at install to make the ssd work better taking into account trim, whatever it is?
13:16<towo`>torouter, there is no such thing as trim-partition
13:16<marek>torouter, your dick is too little, so your trim is problem
13:16<towo`>torouter, you can do a fs-trim periodicly
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13:17<torouter>marek: my dick has no trim at all (let me double check though(
13:17<torouter>nope, no trim there
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13:17<towo`>marek, play elsewhere pls, this is a debian support channel
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13:20<marek_>wow, my nautilus was updated
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13:33<wijnen>I just installed Jessie with speech synthesis so I would hear when it asked a new question. It also enabled it on the target system, which I understand, but don't want. How can I turn it off?
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13:40<veggi3>hi
13:41<veggi3>i installed debian and then installed virtualbox guest additions, and then now i cannot use my keyboard, should i reinstall debian, i dont know how to fix this
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13:41<torouter>Jessie does not need the virtualbox guest additions, I'd just do a re-install
13:41<lindi->veggi3: you are running debian inside virtualbox?
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13:41<torouter>os supports mouse pointer integration....
13:42<veggi3>yes
13:42<veggi3>i dont know why my keyboard wouldnt work
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13:42<spel>Does anyone else have a "windows boot manager" option in their UEFI, even though there's no windows installed on the drive?
13:43<lindi->veggi3: maybe just remove the guest additions?
13:43<veggi3>the numlocks off and on and the caps lock off and on work, but not the regular keyes
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13:51<blast007>spel: from some quick reading, it sounds like that entry isn't stored on the drive but instead in UEFI itself.
13:53<torouter>if I put all my swap space on its own dedicated 32gb ssd on a sata 3 port, adn that drive goes bad, will my system crash? (I have 24gb of regular ram)
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13:54<lindi->torouter: probably
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13:55<torouter>from my (limited) reading, swap space isn't used for much anymore... is that a reasonable assumption?
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13:55<lindi->torouter: no, it is certainly used
13:56<torouter>ok
13:56<torouter>so putting swap on its own dedicated drive only creates an additional point of failure right?
13:56<mtn>torouter: swap is not necessary, but may be used if needed. I don't use it on my box
13:57<mtn>torouter: are you going to use more than 24G of ram?
13:57<Sp0nken>I'm woundering how to mix virtual hosts with http and https on the same server without conflicts? E.g 000-default pointing to http://example.com and 000-default-ssl to https://example.com
13:57<torouter>no my mobo is maxed out
13:57<mtn>torouter: I don't mean adding ram, but using ram while system is running
13:57<Sp0nken>If someone using for e.g the plugin https everywhere, everyone is going to be forwarded to https-site wich is not my wish
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13:58<torouter>mtn: I'll probably never use it all no
13:58<mtn>torouter: then you don't need swap, unless you plan on suspending to hard drive (hibernate)
13:59<torouter>thats what I thought based on my reading thus far
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13:59<mtn>torouter: I have 8G or ram and no swap. no worries
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14:00<torouter>no swap at all?
14:00<mtn>none
14:00<retrospectacus>swap is a relic of the 128K of RAM days :P
14:00<torouter>how long have you been running with that configuration?
14:01<mtn>torouter: a year or so, I guess. never get over 3G used, even using vbox
14:01<torouter>yeah I remember when I used to do builds with swap being twice ram capacity, but that was a long time ago
14:01<spel>& I'm just sitting here with a 64gb swap on my hdd just to be safe
14:01<mtn>belt and suspenders :)
14:02<lindi->mtn: sounds unusual, normally all ram is used for caching. it'd be a waste to not use all ram
14:02<torouter>mtn: does your machine ever hybernate?
14:02<mtn>lindi-: maybe, not issues I can see. works just fine.
14:02<mtn>torouter: of course not
14:02<torouter>I mean 'suspend'
14:02<torouter>thats what I thought
14:02<mtn>torouter: sure, I suspend to ram all the time
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14:02<torouter>nice
14:02<lindi->mtn: I guess it works but performance could improve
14:03<mtn>lindi-: not likely in my case. I used to use swap, no difference I can see without it
14:04<torouter>intradasting... if I were to run a test in a vm, two identical installs one with swap and one without, what would be the benchmark? the amount of time to resume from suspend?
14:04<lindi->torouter: ?
14:04<lindi->torouter: what has suspend to do with swap?
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14:05<torouter>I thought that was theonly thing swap was used for now
14:05<lindi->torouter: no, it's used for hibernate, not suspend
14:05<torouter>yes sorry for my misuse of terminology
14:06<mtn>torouter: swap has nothing to do with suspend to ram
14:06<krofek>guys need some help with fglrx
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14:11<krofeks>my xorg.log: http://pastebin.com/uCENgEuC
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14:11<krofeks>towo`, ? any clues now?
14:11<krofeks>debian 7 this time :)
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14:17<torouter>did fglx compile ok?
14:17<torouter>what graphics card is this?
14:17<krofek>found error... Radeon hd2400
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14:18<Melianyeli>holii
14:18<krofek>xorg conf said Identifier "My GPU"
14:18<krofek>which kinda isnt my gpu :D
14:19<krofek>anyway what to put in there? RADEON HD2400 - fglrx?
14:19<Melianyeli>holisssss
14:19<Melianyeli>meli
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14:23<Melianyeli>holis
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14:26<towo`>krofek, it does not matter, what you put there
14:26<krofek>yeah but what exactly to put in there?
14:26<towo`>krofek, and ii don't think, fglrx supports that old card
14:26<krofek>RADEON HD2400 doent work
14:26<towo`>krofek, it does not matter, what do you not understand
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14:27<towo`>krofek, it's not the cause, that it not work
14:27<krofek>https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Drivers
14:27<krofek>it says hd2400 works :(
14:27<krofek>For Radeon HD 4000, Radeon HD 3000 and Radeon HD 2000 series GPUs.
14:28<towo`>krofek, dpkg -l | grep fglrx
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14:28<krofek>fglrx-legacy packages..
14:28<krofek>need whole list?
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14:29<towo`>krofek, i would not use fglrx since fglrx is crap³, especialy the old versions
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14:30<krofek>is there a possibility to use hw acceleration on html5'
14:30<krofek>?
14:30<towo`>with this old card? i don't think so
14:32<krofek>but with opensource drivers i even cant move windows without serious lag XD
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14:33<towo`>krofek, which desktop you use?
14:33<krofek>xfce
14:33<towo`>have you installed the firmware, as you tested the free drivers?
14:34<krofek>firmware-linux-nonfree yes
14:34<towo`>since i have not seen a x-log with the free drivers, it staes a riddle
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14:39<krofek_>towo`, http://pastebin.com/QjsM5pSj
14:41<towo`>looks good at all
14:42<krofek>so then thats max, it can process? or what?
14:43<towo`>is seems so
14:43<towo`>you could buy powerfill hardware if you want more power
14:43<towo`>*powerfull
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14:44<krofek>i need a machine only for cnc... but since xp was doing terrible wanted to try with debian. Its gpu after all not OS
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14:55<somiaj>krofek: what video card did you have again?
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14:56<blawiz>anyone using pinta on jessie? i have a new jessie install and try to select and crop image in pinta, and it goes grey, seems to crash/freeze/stop/not respond
14:57<somiaj>,v pinta
14:57<judd>Package: pinta on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.4+dfsg-2; squeeze-backports: 1.0-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.3-2; jessie: 1.3-3; sid: 1.3-3; stretch: 1.3-3; experimental: 1.6-1
14:58<somiaj>blawiz: assuming you are using the version from jessie? Have you checked the BTS, that is the best place to check for 'known issues'
14:58<blawiz>whats bts?
14:58<blawiz>bug track something?
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14:59<somiaj>bug tracking system, bugs.debian.org
14:59<somiaj>bugs.debian.org/packagename
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15:00<blawiz>"#798243 [i| | ] [pinta] pinta: Cropping or copying selection leads to exception" :]
15:00<krofek>radeon hd2400 pro somiaj
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15:01<somiaj>krofek: i'm surprised you get lag moving windows around, but that card as far as I know is not supported by the fglrx drivers and only radeon free driver.
15:01<somiaj>krofek: provided you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed you should look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what video driver is actually being loaded. Sometimes just the generic vsea is what gets used, and this is cpu and not that good of a driver
15:02<krofek>somiaj, http://pastebin.com/QjsM5pSj xorg log
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15:03<jhutchins>blawiz: gimp
15:03<blawiz>ugh, dont like gimp
15:03<blawiz>big and windowslike
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15:04<jhutchins>blawiz: Does the job. You could always use imagemagick.
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15:05<anonymous>j
15:05<anonymous>mdk
15:05<anonymous>ftp
15:05<anonymous>http
15:05<anonymous>color
15:05<anonymous>help
15:05<anonymous>mm
15:05<anonymous>fr
15:05<anonymous>for
15:05<anonymous>bash
15:05<anonymous>us$
15:05<anonymous>us
15:05<anonymous>busybox
15:05<anonymous>tree
15:05<blawiz>jhutchins, i like imagemagick.. but hard to do some tasks :]
15:05<anonymous>dir
15:05<anonymous>dirs
15:06<anonymous>md
15:06<anonymous>open
15:06<blawiz>samme error on pinta 1.3-2 it seems
15:06<anonymous>user
15:06<somiaj>anonymous: unless you can type out complete sentences you will be quited.
15:06<anonymous>net uesr
15:06<anonymous>êlzf
15:06<anonymous>anonymous
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15:06<somiaj>krofek: looks like radeon is correclty loading. Unsure why moving windows is so slow, is it any windows or paticular windows?
15:07<krofek>anything i tried, like even terminal emulator...
15:07<somiaj>krofek: and you said you are using xfce?
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15:07<krofek>yes
15:09<krofek>if i fullscreen window it takes like 1sec to fullscreen
15:10<krofek>shrinking is ok, expanding is problem. Moving is ok
15:11<krofek>anyway to other thing.. easyest way to install linuxcnc is?
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15:12<krofek>(possibly without compiling)
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15:21<nastavnik>I replaced Ubuntu with Jessie and seem to be experiencing this strange effect where my browser doesn't crash every 30 minutes
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15:24<SynrGy>nastavnik: how odd. well, stick with it and eventually jessie will let you down. then you can ask us for help here :)
15:24<lostatwork>nastavnik: and that is a problem why ? do you want it to crash every 30 minutes ?
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15:26<nastavnik>i may just create a script to kill the browser at random intervals to keep my expectations low
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15:27<lostatwork>probably a wise choice wouldn't want to get to comfortable
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15:31<Hujin>hi
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15:46<me>hello, im having some problems makeing surf, i get an unkown type name 'SoupCache' anyone have any idea where to go? im on wheezy
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16:45<Guest7186>Bonjour j'ai une debian virtualisée dans une autre debian. Je veux faire sortir mes fichiers de ma debian virtualisée au système hôte. Je me suis donc longtemps documenté et j'ai appris que je devais faire apparaitre le menu déroulant en haut de mon système invité et cliquer sur installer les additions invitées. Mais a la place de pouvoir cliquer sur ajouter les additions invitées, je vois seulement "insérer l'image cd des additions invitées". C
16:45<Guest7186>omment passer cette étape pour pouvoir activer le partage de fichiers?
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16:46<towo`>!fr
16:46<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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16:47<Guest7186>Thank.
16:47<towo`>Guest7186, ^^
16:47<Guest7186>I am going to translate hum.
16:48<Guest7186>No sorry it is too technic.
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17:03<jhutchins>Guest7186: Cela dépend de votre système de virtualisation, habituellement l'hyperviseur peut créer une action qui peut être monté sur l'invité.
17:04<jhutchins>I'll bet that's pretty mangled...
17:04<jhutchins>Yeah, s/action/share
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17:06<SynrGy>i have just enough french to gather this is a problem making the install CDs available from the host to the guest when performing an install.
17:06*SynrGy shrugs
17:08<jhutchins>SynrGy: I think he's after a package install, but that may be for the vbox drivers to access the share.
17:09<SynrGy>if it is in fact vbox
17:09<jhutchins>SynrGy: Yes, virtualbox.
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17:10<SynrGy>so i'd check the /etc/apt/sources.list ... maybe it has "cdrom:" entries
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17:11<SynrGy>oh, the guest additions. duh
17:11<jhutchins>Ok, he's got somebody walking him through in -fr.
17:11<SynrGy>this is definitely a #vbox question :)
17:11<SynrGy>not a debian question per se
17:12<jhutchins>SynrGy: Certainly mostly.
17:12<jhutchins>SynrGy: The only French I know is from wine labels, so ... Glad he found help.
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17:13<SynrGy>heh. until i parsed "les additions invitées" i thought it was about debian CDs. i have grade 12 french, but never kept it up after high school
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17:14<jhutchins>I can stumble through a little technical stuff in Germanic languages from College German, but I did my languages before there were internet resources.
17:14<jhutchins>Much easier to keep current these days.
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17:53<Guest7196>Guten Abend
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17:54<towo`>Guest7196, elang
17:54<Guest7196>sry good evebubg ;-)
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17:56<towo`>and maybe wrong channel even, since knoppix is not debian
17:56<Guest7196>well, knoppix is very much debian-oriented ;-)
17:57<towo`>knoppix is not debian, period
17:57<towo`>and all what not is debian, is not supported here
17:57<Guest7196>you are very precise :-D
17:58<retrospectacus>you should install Debian - it is actually much better than Knoppix
17:59<Guest7196>well, it has some pros & some cons
17:59<Guest7196>but let's not argue :-)
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18:19<sgm4>hi
18:19<sgm4>guys
18:21<p0rk0ff>isn't a bug submitter automatically subscribed to the bug he reports?
18:21<sgm4>hey porkoff
18:21<sgm4>whats up
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18:29<p0rk0ff>well https://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS: "...Also, please notice that I always just said that mails to bugnumber@bugs are sent to the package maintainer (and subscribers of the bug). Those mails are NOT sent to the person who originally reported the bug!..." that's somewhat strange
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20:10<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to transfer all my exim, spamassassin, clamav and greylistd data -and settings to a new machine?
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20:18<Chilly>Holaaa :)
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21:00<somiaj>EmleyMoor: provided you don't have some change in versions that make old configs unusable, just copy over the old configs and restart the services.
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21:00<somiaj>EmleyMoor: I'm unsure exactly what files to copy over, but usually that data is stored in /etc for configs, and sometimes in /var for other things
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21:51<defcon>hey deb
21:51<defcon>need help
21:52<somiaj>!ask
21:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:52<defcon>i have a windows 7 iso image and a usb flash drive 8 gig need to mount the windows 7 onto the usb
21:53<defcon>im also new to debian and such i have converted from windows to deb
21:53<defcon>a big lea for me
21:53<defcon>leap*
21:54<somiaj>defcon: so what is your question. We don't really support windows here, but we can help you get debian up and running.
21:54<defcon>i am already up and running just need help on how i can mount windows to usb
21:55<defcon>is there any software that will let me mount the iso to usb
21:55<defcon>from deb
21:56<somiaj>defcon: lets be clear. Do you want to mount the filesystem on the usb drive, or do you want to mount the iso located on a file system on the usb drive?
21:56<somiaj>both are possible, but which one is important
21:56<defcon>file system on the usb
21:56<somiaj>defcon: many desktops will mount this automatically when you plug it in? Are you using gnome, if so did it mount when you pluged it in?
21:57<defcon>im a wizard on windows but converted to deb becouse is more complex
21:57<somiaj>defcon: and then de's like gnome try to automate everything, and I just don't want to conflict with those tools
21:57<defcon>i tryed draging the iso to usb and extracting
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21:57<defcon>but will not work gives error
21:58<somiaj>defcon: yea see I'm not use to GUI's so I don't know what you are meaning by the .iso and usb
21:58<somiaj>defcon: so when you pluged in the usb what happened?
21:58<defcon>do you have teamviewer
21:58<defcon>when i plugged in my usb it showed on my desktop
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21:59<somiaj>defcon: and when you open up the usb there is an .iso sitting on it?
22:00<defcon>yes
22:00<somiaj>defcon: no need to mesage me and I don't want to support over another medium. I can help you here.
22:00<defcon>correct
22:00<defcon>okay
22:00<somiaj>defcon: if you right click on the .iso it doens't give you an option to mount it?
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22:01<somiaj>defcon: Just seeing if that option is there, if not I'll give you the commands that should work.
22:01<defcon>options are there
22:01<defcon>extract here * extract to
22:02<somiaj>defcon: ahh lets avoid those, do you know how to open up a terminal?
22:02<defcon>yes
22:02<defcon>terminal opened
22:02<somiaj>open up a terminal and find the location of the .iso in your file system, it should be in /media/something/something.iso, can you with ls find the location of your .iso file in your file system?
22:03<defcon>the iso is on my desktop
22:03<defcon>ls
22:03<somiaj>defcon: no there is an icon in your desktop as a shortcut, but I need the actual location of it in your file system. I belive the usb drive is mounted under /media/something where something is the name of the usb
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22:04<defcon>it is in downloads
22:05<somiaj>defcon: I thought you said it was on your usb?
22:05<somiaj>defcon: either way, run this command 'ls /mnt' what is the output?
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22:06<defcon>no such file or dir
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22:06<dvs>???
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22:07<somiaj>defcon: thanks. Anways we need a place to mount the iso. 'mkdir ~/winiso_mnt', then 'mount -o loop /path/to/windows.iso ~/winiso_mnt' will mount the iso file system in that directory I had you create. And you can access it from there. That make sense?
22:08<defcon>yes
22:08<somiaj>defcon: you may need to put a 'sudo' in front of that command, you have to root to run it.
22:08<defcon>ok
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22:09<defcon>btw im using the windows 7 iso on a windows pc
22:09<defcon>asus
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22:09<tirz_1>Or you can simply use Acetoneiso or gisomount
22:10<somiaj>defcon: I don't know what you mean by that? Are you trying to put this windows7.iso on a usb drive so it is bootable and can install win7 on another machine?
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22:10<somiaj>defcon: or are you trying to access the data of this iso on your debian machine for some reason?
22:11<defcon>yes
22:11<defcon>to reboot my other laptop
22:11<somiaj>defcon: I'm unsure here. We don't support windows or how to install it. Unsure what tools you need to put a windows .iso on a usbdrive to make it bootable.
22:11<defcon>okay brb
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22:13<dvs>but Debian has windows!!!!\
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22:15<tirz_1>If you need to burn a dvd with Windows,
22:15<tirz_1>- you can use the softawre Brasero...
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22:26<asdffff>drinking alcohol helps to stay out of jail....
22:26<asdffff>=)
22:26<asdffff>tirz is from marz.....
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22:28<Tirz>Yes, I understand this private joke!
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23:43<asdffff>yo
23:43<asdffff>ubuntu is the awesomeness
23:43<asdffff>or the world
23:44<asdffff>cuase google earth "exists"
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23:46<Hydroxide>asdffff: let's please keep #debian on topic for user support discussions about Debian. Opinions about Ubuntu belong elsewhere, such as #debian-offtopic on this IRC network or maybe Ubuntu's own IRC channels on Freenode, whether they're positive or negative opinions.
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23:48<blubee>hi guys I am having some trouble getting both wl and kernel 4.2.0 working properly on my device
23:48<asdffff>please?
23:49<asdffff>this isnt debian offtopic folks.
23:49<asdffff>is that my fault.
23:49<asdffff>?
23:50<blubee>this is what happened
23:50<blubee>I updated to the backports kernel 4.2.0 and that fixed the mouse problem but now debian won't allow me to modprobe wl
23:50<asdffff>when?
23:50<blubee>I get a fatal error when trying to call modprobe wl
23:50<blubee>looking at the logs, it seems that there's some mixup with the 4.2.0 kernel and the broadcom drivers
23:50<asdffff>a dude turns gay?
23:50<blubee>is there any way to get the broadcom drivers to work with this kernel 4.2.0?
23:50<blubee>blubee> seems like it's a bug on ubuntu as well
23:50-!-mode/#debian [+o Hydroxide] by ChanServ
23:50-!-asdffff was kicked from #debian by Hydroxide [you should know better]
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23:50<blubee>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/broadcom-sta/+bug/1504975
23:51<blubee>does bluez 5.23 support bluetooth LE so that I can go back to kernel 3.16 and upgrade that part instead?
23:54<gsimmons>blubee: You would want to use broadcom-sta 6.30.223.271-1~bpo8+1 (available in jessie-backports) as this version has Linux 4.2 support.
23:56<blubee>gsimmons: oh awesome, let me try and download that one
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