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---Logopened Fri Nov 13 00:00:31 2015
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00:01<chris_goe>maybe I should just switch back to sysvinit...
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00:04<twb>It's auto-started by a journald.socket whenever anything tries to talk to /dev/log
00:04<twb>"disable" does not really *do* anything
00:05<twb>"systemctl mask" will completely kill a unit, but be careful you don't brick your system
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00:26<dakka>Hi I am getting an error: E: Release file for http://mirror.optus.net/debian/dists/jessie-updates/InRelease is expired (invalid since 20h 34min 30s). Updates for this repository will not be applied.
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00:27<dakka>when i try and use: sudo apt-get update
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00:27<dakka>the mirror is there i can browse to it, i did a google search and found it may have to do with my time not being sync'd
00:28<dakka>so i installed ntpupdate and fixed that, but i still get the error? Any1 help me or point in the right direction please?
00:28<dakka>sorry never mind...no idea why but all of a sudden its working
00:29<dakka>wtf...lol. Never had this issue ever b4, and no idea why it just went away
00:29<dakka>woops, sorry i still have the error, reading wrong terminal
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00:31<mdl>I get the same error with you
00:32<dakka>hmm, any idea why?
00:32<mdl>I don't know why this happens!
00:32<mdl>I think it's not our fault
00:32<mdl>it's the mirror
00:33<dakka>strange that i can browse to it, so its not down
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00:33<mdl>after this, I delete this mirror site. P.S. I have two mirrors
00:33<dakka>hmm
00:33<mdl>yes, I can see it in browser too.
00:33<dakka>oh well i guess i will ignore it for now
00:34<dakka>was getting strange error in one of my apps, and its asking me to upgrade. So was just gonna see if the apt-get update would do anything
00:34<dakka>I have a feeling it wont. Just checked another PC and my app is same version there...anyways thanks for the help
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00:43<dakka>any1 familiar with Electrum. Was getting an error: your client produced a transaction that is not accepted by the bitcoin network any more
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00:44<dakka>after searching i figured they changed bitcoin protocol or something and versions 1.x no longer work. So i need to upgrade this somehow
00:44<dakka>Very nervouse as i have some money in there
00:45<dakka>searching mentions back ports, just not sure if its safe to do
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00:55<twb>dakka: australian mirrors are regularly broken
00:56<twb>dakka: there isn't much Debian can do about it. Try deb http://http.debian.net/debian stable main
00:57<dakka>I have been using aussie mirrors for years, never seen an issue ever
00:57<twb>then you are lucky :P
00:57<dakka>but thanks for the info...i will shove that one in instead, thanks
00:57<jm_>it only happens when a big kangaroo horde jumps over the cables!
00:57<twb>http.d.n redirects you to the nearest working mirror, which tends to be in Vanuatu
00:57<twb>You can try putting optus first and it second, so that when optus is working it's unmetered
00:58<twb>jm_: maybe it only happens when an election promise is broken
00:58<jm_>twb: heh
00:58<dakka>ok cool thanks
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01:00<dakka>slo nvm about electrum worked it out
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01:06<dakka>sorry i am a little confused i am unsure which source is tripping it up? How can u tell?
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01:07<dakka>oh wait...i see the differences, i have jessie main contrib non-free, and jessie/update main contrib and jessie-updates main contrib
01:08<twb>dakka: you need all of those
01:09<dakka>hmm adding deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie main contrib non-free did nothing
01:09<dakka>exact same error and doesnt seem to get past it, like it bombs out or something
01:10<twb>http://sprunge.us/UjLJ
01:10<dakka>I am sure usually when i run this command i get quite a few lines scroll in my terminal window
01:10<twb>Did you do "apt-get update" after editing sources.list?
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01:13<dakka>dame thing
01:13<dakka>yep
01:13<dakka>i will replace my entire source file and see what happens
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01:15<dakka>ok so if u have a broken one in your source.lst file it basically just bombs out if there is an error or something
01:15<wowaname`>06 14 30 <Zinov> wowaname: Do you mind asking #debian about the files in the sgml-iso-entities directory that have this non-Free licence:
01:15<wowaname`>06 14 34 <Zinov> 'Permission to copy in any form is granted for use with conforming SGML systems and applications as defined in ISO 8879, provided this notice is included in all copies.'
01:15<dakka>replaces the entire file with yours twb and it works
01:15<wowaname`>relaying the question, anyone mind answering?
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01:16<dakka>I thought u could have multiple sources and only the ones you cant get to fail? But it seems the entire process fails if a single source doesnt work?
01:16<twb>wowaname`: that sounds like a question for debian-legal ML
01:16<dakka>that does not sound right at all, but its what i am seeing?
01:16<wowaname`>twb thanks, he was asking about an email anyway
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01:17<twb>dakka: sorry, since it's fixed now, I can't be arsed analysing the issue further
01:17<dakka>thats ok, i just thought i understood how this works, but i obviously dont...lol
01:17<twb>dakka: you'll probably want to add "contrib non-free" back into ALL your lines.
01:18<dakka>ya i did
01:18<dakka>thanks for the help btw
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01:25<Guest8704>hello
01:25<zoso78>Hi!
01:25<Guest8704>where are you from?
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01:25<zoso78>Mexico you?
01:26<Guest8704>china
01:26<zoso78>do you speak Spanish?
01:26<Guest8704>no ,
01:27<edrz>!es
01:27<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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01:27<zoso78>Hmm :/
01:27<tianshi>hello
01:27<mdl>china, which province are you in?
01:27<Guest8704>jiangsu
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01:27<tianshi>jiangsu
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01:27<tianshi>nanjing
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01:28<njumdl2014>I'm in nanjing,too
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01:28<njumdl2014>nanjing university
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01:48<linux_>hello
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01:48<linux_>anybody here
01:48<linux_>?
01:48<twb>linux_: do you have a support question?
01:49<linux_>where are you from?
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01:49<koollman>I'm from the internet
01:50<twb>If you want to chat, try #debian-offtopic
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01:50<linux_>ok
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02:05<fs>hello
02:05<fs>someone here?
02:06<twb>fs: do you have a support question?
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02:08<fs>yes
02:08<fs>are you joking?/
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02:14<twb>Maybe I should ask "WHAT IS your support question?"
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04:28<twb>Wow, are there really no packages using "ersatz"?
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04:46<vrishab>why is LibreOffice still in 4.4.3 in Debian Stable
04:47<twb>vrishab: stable doesn't get feature updates, because they tend to be have new bugs
04:47<twb>If you want LO5 try jessie-backports
04:47<vrishab>no feature updates is in 5.0 branch ...
04:47<vrishab>I just need 4.4.6 .. latest stable ..
04:47<twb>Then I think you're using the wrong distro
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04:49<vrishab>I think it is fair to ask .. why is not a stable release of a product not in the stable release of debian ... nope ?
04:49<twb>Just because it passes upstream's tests for stability doesn't mean it passes Debian's tests.
04:49<jm_>stable normally gets only security updates, but in the last few releases this is no longer strictly true
04:49<twb>Stupid browsers...
04:49<jm_>it's a question of man power - are there enough people to do the work to provide packages and are those upgrades worth it
04:50<twb>jm_: security & data loss fixes
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04:51<kovu>hello!!
04:51<vrishab>so basically .. it means a stable release is undisturbed .. unless necessary .. hmm ..
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04:52<vrishab>twb, by debian tests .. did you mean lintian ?
04:53<twb>No I mean it living in testing for a couple years
04:53<vrishab>oh .. ok. Then I guess, I'll have to compile it manually from git ..
04:53<twb>Or you could install 5 from jessie-backports
04:54<twb>Or find a PPA I guess
04:54<vrishab>5 is not stable .. I am in need of a stable product ..
04:55<vrishab>I've not used PPA's ... that much ... they are user private repos .. right ?
04:55<twb>Yeah
04:56<twb>PPA = "some guy made some package and hey, if you want to use it too, go nuts"
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04:57<vrishab>:) ... but I think I'll have to compile it ( since I'm making a few minor changes to LibreOffice anyway ) .. Just thought of avoiding the maintainers job .. seems like I've do a bit of it ..
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05:01<puka>guys why i get banned in some channels like ubuntu chanels for reason : botnet ip?
05:01<puka>Automatically determined botnet IPs (experimental)
05:02<twb>puka: ask #oftc or #freenode; Ubuntu is not our problem
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05:04<antares>Hello I need help. I have debian jessie. I have a problem with autofs, I would let him go up one user my NFS client machine mounts me unfortunately all users. I have in the / etc / default / autofs file BROWSE_MODE = "no" it does not work what should I do? thank you in advance
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05:23<puka>how i can install skype for xubuntu 14.04?
05:23<twb>!tell puka about xubuntu
05:24<puka>i am banned on freenode chats cause botnet ip and idk what this
05:24<puka>and why im banned
05:24<twb>puka: this is not the appropriate place to get help with that.
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05:25<vrishab>!tell vrishab about xubuntu
05:26<twb>vrishab: you can also /msg dpkg foo
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05:30<Shentino>puka: skype for linux is a package and should be treated as such
05:30<Shentino>just go to microsoft.com and download it
05:30<SynrG>Shentino: puka left
05:30<Shentino>...
05:31<Shentino>oh wow
05:31<SynrG>in any case, we don't give advice for other distros here. it makes us responsible for the problem
05:31<SynrG>so i know your advice was well meant, but priv msg if you want to provide support that's not debian support
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05:38<_>hi
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05:40<vrishab>twb, thanks ;)
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05:52<puka>guys how i can see if in xubuntu i have installed video card drivers?
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05:54<twb>puka: talk to #freenode or #ubuntu-ops, not us.
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06:03<terminator>hi ll
06:04<terminator>how can install wine in linux??
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06:06<terminator>how can install wine in linux??
06:06<terminator>how can install wine in linux??
06:06<terminator>how can install wine in linux??
06:07<Fsociety>u wot m8 ?
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06:07<Fsociety>!kali
06:07<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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06:07<Fsociety>apt-get install wine
06:08<duclicsic>terminator: don't spam your question if nobody answers within 3 minutes
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06:08<duclicsic>furthermore, you can type that question verbatim into google and it will give you a direct answer
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06:49<lancelot_of>I have a running process as I can see in htop, but its window has disappeared from my desktop and systray. Is there anyway to recover it or do I have to kill it and start again?
06:49<lancelot_of>I'm on Jessie
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06:52<twb>recover the window?
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06:53<twb>Depends what happened to it, but from the sounds of it, you're stuck.
06:53<twb>Check .xsession-errors to see what happened to it
06:54<lancelot_of>twb, yes recover the window
06:54<lancelot_of>from what I see in ps -def it seems to be not in stuck
06:54<twb>what is this process?
06:55<lancelot_of>texmaker
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07:12<Krig>i'm failing to get sed to work, does it matter that the file i'm editing is a binary file? it gives no errors just an exit status 0, but looking at the file it's the same as before
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07:13<jm_>why would you use sed for that?
07:14<jm_>sed is line oriented so no surprises there
07:14<Krig>command in question is - "sed -i 's,C:\Music\,/home/krig/music/,g,' List.fpl
07:14<Krig>oh
07:15<Krig>any suggestion how i should do it instead?
07:15<jm_>what kind of file is this?
07:15<Krig>a playlist file
07:15<Krig>for foobar2000
07:15<Krig>i moved all my music, so i need to change all occurances of old path to nwe
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07:17<jm_>have you tried changing your sed line to 's,C:\\Music\\,/home/krig/music/,g,'?
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07:18<Krig>sed: -e expression #1, char 57: unknown option to `s'
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07:19<twb>No , after g
07:19<twb>#sed on freenode
07:19<jm_>yeah ditch the trailing ,
07:19<twb>You almost certainly don't want g either
07:20<Krig>ah, it did work... but again, didn't actually change anything
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07:20<Krig>g for global? there are many occurances of the string in the file
07:21<jm_>yeah it probably won't work for a binary file
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07:21<twb>it's g for aGain
07:22<twb>It's per line; do you have C:\Music\ more than once per line?
07:22<twb>You probably need to double \ twice -- once for sh and once for sed
07:22<jm_>it probably has it if it's binary
07:22<Krig>well the file isn't line divided at all, i think all occurances are actually on one single long line
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07:26<Krig>guess sed isn't the suitable program for this situation, either way thanks for your help
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07:35<viccuad>silly question: is it problematic to update kernels on ARM, because of u-boot, etc?
07:35<viccuad>or can you update kernels normally?
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07:39<user_>Hello I have installed virtualbox-guest-dkms and linux-header and now the vb runs fine but I can not install these pakages to jessie guest system. The last system was wheezy.
07:40<user_>Is there any difference?
07:43<jm_>what does "can't install these packages" mean?
07:43<twb>viccuad: that'd depend whether you're using u-boot, and how
07:43<twb>mine used android bootloader so I couldn't upgrade at all without reflashing :-/
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07:44<twb>u-boot can be set up to handle upgrades, or not.
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07:48<user_>it is impossible to find the pakage virtualbox-guest-dkms.
07:48<user_>twb
07:48<user_>jm_
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07:53<jm_>user_: it's in contrib ...
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07:59<user_>Okay done I am going to success.
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08:19<spyker10>hi
08:19<spyker10>why criptocat not work for android?
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08:22<nex_necis>spyker10: is in open beta
08:22<nex_necis>https://github.com/cryptocat/cryptocat-android
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08:25<spyker10>i compile it but not work, impossible connect to server
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08:25<spyker10>is in open beta from 2013?
08:25<spyker10>bah
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08:29<bw>Hi! Is Avatar some KDE Notes or Messenger software?
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08:38<spyker10>irc is dead
08:38<spyker10>incredible
08:38<shome>No way.
08:38<shome>We keep it alive.
08:40<bw>i need some advice about akonadi
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08:40<spyker10>nobody never answer the questions
08:40<spyker10>irc is dead
08:41<bw>this is bad
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08:43<blast007>spyker10: does cryptocat somehow relate to Debian?
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08:44<shome>no
08:44<bw>akonady uses an internal sql server? Can you connect to it over network?
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08:45<bw>*akonadi
08:45<shome>Yes, you should be able to.
08:45<bw>for what purpose?
08:46<blast007>bw: what are you trying to do?
08:46<shome>Depends what your uses are.
08:46<bw>blast007 figuring out what my question regarding akonadi out i guess...
08:46<shome>But if you think of all the data and metadata collected, it would only make sense to have an internal storage method in the way of a db.
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08:47<bw>I only use it for kmail
08:47<bw>until now i didn't know it existed
08:47<bw>Can you use KNotes as a sort of Messenger-program to remote machines over akonadi?
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08:50<jcassessoria>olá! gostaria de saber qual a melhor distribuição linux para instalar em computadores de 64bit com UEFI!
08:50<zlatan>!es
08:50<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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08:53<bw>Ok i'll just ask: Why do multiple KNotes that say "Avatar" pop up at boot of debian 8 all of a sudden?
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08:59<s_20>zlatan: that was portuguese
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09:00<zlatan>s_20, then just edit it :)
09:01<zlatan>dpkg, tell jcarlos about !pt
09:01<s_20>jcassessoria: debian works just fine on 64bit machines with UEFI enabled
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09:01<zlatan>ah
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09:02<bw>Is there a Software / Application named "Avatar"?
09:03<jcassessoria>i apreciat your help s_28 but i necessite one instruction for install on computer that has windows 8.1 and not rum normaly iso!
09:05<s_20>jcassessoria: the debian installer recognises windows installations and allows you to set up multiple operating systems
09:05<s_20>you require free disk space for that though
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09:05<blast007>jcassessoria: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s06.html.pt#UEFI
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09:30<jcassessoria>THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!
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09:53<puka>guys i have a problem with my python where should i ask?
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09:53<shome>google
09:53<shome>or pet store
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09:53<blast007>puka: you have a problem with Python functioning on your Debian system?
09:54<puka>i have a problem with my program made in python
09:54<blast007>!python
09:54<dpkg>Python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it. See http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide . #python and ##python on irc.freenode.net, #python on irc.oftc.net. See also <python 2.6>, <python 2.7> and <python 3>.
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10:14<nedo>buonasera
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10:15<nedo>is there a forum to talk about linux mint???i don't reach to find it
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10:20<nex_necis>nedo: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+mint+forum
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11:34<backbox>hi
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11:41<kampmannpeine>hello
11:41<kampmannpeine>does somebody know about gnome?
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11:57<user_>Hello I would like to download the pakage linux-headers But I get the error: The pakage has not installation candidates what does it mean and how to repear it to download the pakage?
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11:59<Brigo>user_, it is a virtual package. What package are you trying to dowload?
12:04<user_>linux-headers for 3.16.0-4-586 environement.
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12:05<user_>Brigo
12:05<Brigo>user_, jessie, right?
12:06<Brigo>you tried to install this, linux-image-586, right?
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12:06<user_>Yes
12:06<Brigo>you need this one: linux-headers-3.16.0-4-586
12:06<user_>Thank.
12:06<user_>I have installed i386
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12:07<Brigo>it looks like you need 586.
12:07<Brigo>you can check it with uname -a
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12:20<eemcs>Hi, am I not supposed to have Debian signing keys by default in my gpg keyring?
12:20<lindi->eemcs: what are you trying to do?
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12:23<eemcs>nothing lindi-
12:24<lindi->eemcs: ok, your gpg keyring is in your home directory. by default it contains just your own key
12:24<eemcs>I was just checking on my keyring and remembered a Debian CD signature IIRC, but I don't see it anymore
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14:02<kiranos>anyone using redis on debian 8 (jessie)?
14:02<kiranos>sudo -u redis -s ulimit -Sn
14:02<kiranos>65536
14:02<kiranos>but still I get
14:02<kiranos>[1524] 13 Nov 19:53:08.591 # Current maximum open files is 1024. maxclients has been reduced to 4064 to compensate for low ulimit. If you need higher maxclients increase 'ulimit -n'.
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14:02<kiranos>anyone using redis on debian 8 (jessie)?
14:02<kiranos>sudo -u redis -s ulimit -Sn
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14:02<kiranos>65536
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14:03<kiranos>but still I get
14:03<kiranos>Current maximum open files is 1024. maxclients has been reduced to 4064 to compensate for low ulimit. If you need higher maxclients increase 'ulimit -n'.
14:03<kiranos>its using systemd so the /etc/default/redis is not used.. but still my /etc/pam.d/sudo, /etc/pam.d/su and /etc/security/limits.conf is correclty set
14:03<kiranos>I think its somethin with redis systemd integration
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14:10<lindi->kiranos: sudo does not simulate the environment in which services are started
14:10<kiranos>but there is no info about how to do
14:11<kiranos>the init script (which is not used) says to use /etc/default/redis
14:11<kiranos>but it doesnt take
14:11<kiranos>lindi-: can I simulate it? it works great on init systems
14:11<lindi->kiranos: init systems?
14:11<kiranos>init.d the old init
14:12<lindi->kiranos: well it doesn't actually, often you have completely different environment variables set when you use sudo than when the system boots
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14:13<kiranos>lindi-: ok but redis init.d says to use /etc/default/redis where ULIMIT=65536
14:13<kiranos>but it doesn use this anymore it seems as its translated to systemd command
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14:21<premoboss>hi. downoladed the netinstall of 8.2. installed version 32bit. no GUI, reboot. no login, only blinking cursor. what i am doing wrong? (debian user since 1999)
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14:22<petn-randall>premoboss: In grub, press 'e' and remove 'quiet splash' from the kernel parameter list. It should give you a more verbose description of where it got stuck.
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14:24<premoboss>no grub menu appear.... mmm.... let me reistall all.
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14:49<feelcoder>#ublabs
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14:59<Barnerd>Hi all, just ran into this https://github.com/brunoos/luasec/issues/58
15:00<Barnerd>How is debian fixing all the fallout that that causes with packages?
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15:11<somiaj>Barnerd: the fix is left for the package matainers. I'd check the mailing lists to see if you can find any discussion on the removal of this api and what needs to be done.
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15:15<Barnerd>Do packages register somehow that they require/depend on libssl or libcrypto?
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15:17<Barnerd>There is a list of OpenSSL no-ssl3 fixes in https://wiki.freebsd.org/OpenSSL/No-SSLv3
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15:18<Barnerd>NB: I'm the author of that wiki article
15:18<peter1138>Yes, packages have dependencies.
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15:19<Barnerd>Will lurk here for a while...
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15:19<Barnerd>On the debian page I couldn't find a specific IRC channel for packagers... Any pointers?
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15:20<loner269>hi
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15:27<SynrG>Barnerd: to learn packaging, it is #debian-mentors
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15:29<SynrG>Barnerd: there is a general developer channel, #debian-devel. whether you'll find at any given time the people who need to be aware of the situation is a crapshoot. mailing lists are the reliable way to discuss it.
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15:29<radix>hi
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15:30<Ratix>Hi
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15:41<loner269>does mx15 have a channel or no one knows?
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15:42<loner269>on on mx15beta an its better than my old linux so far im happy
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15:52<Barnerd>SynrG: Not looking to learn Debian packaging, got enough to get my head around for FreeBSD packaging :D
15:52<loner269>lol
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16:41<agaida>Barnerd: no problem - kfreebsd need help too
16:41<agaida>bsd with gnu userland is cool
16:41*agaida run and hide
16:42<loner269>cool im not alone in here lol hi agaida lol
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16:44<Barnerd>agaida: Well, I won't be of much help... I'm doing FreeBSD userland :D
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17:04<therickaman>hello everyone
17:05<therickaman>I came here to ask about debian, and get some advice
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17:06<mtn>therickaman, just ask
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17:07<therickaman>I am currently using Ubuntu 15.04, but I don't like it. I am a programmer/developer of mathematics software like Sage. Any OS suggestions?
17:08<therickaman>I'd like to almost have just a terminal sometimes...
17:08<mtn>therickaman, I would guess the debian channel would suggest, well, debian
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17:08<therickaman>lol, I'm going to try it out using virtual box.
17:09<mtn>therickaman, do you know about netinstall? it can install a minimal installation, if that is what you wish
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17:10<canaima_>canaima
17:10<therickaman>no, I don't. I'm currently installing in virtual box to try it out. Although, it's pretty slow for some reason.
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17:10<amacater>If you're used to Ubuntu - a minimalist Debian will be fine, potentially.
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17:11<amacater>It's worth remembering that Ubuntu is a Debian derivative - most of what you know from Ubuntu will carry straight over
17:11<therickaman>keeping my OS clean is killing me. I am almost like a noob, and used "sudo apt-get update/install" and every time I do that...suddenly I have to hack my way back to having things work correctly.
17:13<therickaman>so, how would I use minimalist debian? how can I get that?
17:13<therickaman>Am I the only one who has gotten fed up with package manager?
17:14<amacater>Take it really slowly - use a netinstall to install Debian. Use the expert option - it will ask you more questions. If in virtualbox - boot from the .iso - when it gets to the point of asking for package selections (tasksel)
17:14<amacater>then unselect everything other than the minimal install - which will innstall only the standard packages.
17:15<therickaman>I'm the kind of person who, would really like to install everything from scratch almost.
17:16<amacater>You could usefully look for the Debian handbook - https://debian-handbook.info - and read the PDF.
17:16<amacater>Installing from scratch is overrated - a DebIian minimal install is a good start
17:17<therickaman>okay, I'll try that
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17:17<therickaman>so, before I do this you said to use the netinstall iso in virtual box? I'd like to try it out using that first before I have do a full clean install.
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17:18<mtn>therickaman, yes, use the netinstall. that is how I always install debian
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17:21<therickaman>I'm doing that now :)
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17:21<therickaman>any advice on how to keep root clean, without having to install everything from source?
17:21<amacater>Learn how to use apt and add only the things you need
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17:22<tombii>good evening guys & gals
17:23<amacater>Also - learn to use vi commands - _any_Linux computer will likely have vi - if youre on the command line, have vi commands at your fingers' ends.
17:23<tombii>i need some assistance in migrating my physical debian installation to a virtual machine - probably i need help with grub
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17:24<amacater>How are you setting up your VM?
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17:24<tombii>current physical setup: /dev/sdb1 is the /boot and the disk was encrypted with luks during installation
17:24<therickaman>I need to learn vi. I like nano tho.
17:25<tombii>in esxi i'm passing through the controller which means that i cannot boot off it so i need to create a virtual hdd and make that booatble
17:25<amacater>Really stupid suggestion in that case: set up a minimalist Debian in VM and rsync from your physical to the virtual :)
17:25<tombii>so i created a virtual disk, did dd if=/dev/sda1 of=disk.img and then in the vm i did dd if=/disk.img of=/dev/sdc1
17:26<tombii>sorry sdc1 is supposed to be sda1
17:26<tombii>but then when i boot the vm sdb1 (which was the old boot disk/partition) changes to sdc1
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17:26<tombii>grub is not loading at all although i marked the partition as bootable
17:26<norlane>vi or vim
17:26<tombii>old school bios, not efi
17:27<tombii>don't want to, i want to passthrough the controller and keep the data instead of using a datastore (for /, for /boot i need to put it on the data store)
17:29<tombii>mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt fails with "unknown fs type crypto_LUKS"
17:30<tombii>which is why i guess that grub is not loading
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17:33<amacater>In this instance, you're going to struggle with decrypting - moving data - getting LUKS to work. Build a new minimal Debain with LUKS and the packages you hve on the system you want to copy
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17:33<amacater>Then move just the data you need from your old physical
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17:34<tombii>but the physical is on a ssd and the datastore is on hdds
17:35<tombii>i'm going to install debian in the vm
17:35<tombii>then try to modify the grub settings to point at the new disk instead
17:35<tombii>might work
17:36<amacater>That's what I mean - stand up a new minimalist Debain in a VM - and install grub in it so that it's bootable - then move just the data across
17:36<tombii>not going to do that - installing a minimalist debian in a vm - install grub
17:36<tombii>then change grub config and point it at sdc1 instead of sda1
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17:36<tombii>and then not use the minimalist debian os at all
17:37<tombii>hope that will work
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17:40<tombii>hm... device.map points (hd0) to the ssd already and the disk id should not be changing
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17:41<tombii>and grub.cfg has set root='hd0,msdos1'
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17:59<zykotick9>tombii: just a comment, i don't _think_ the origional dd of sda1 would have included the MBR... but i could be wrong. Could you just reinstall grub to the new drive?
18:00<tombii>zykotick9: yeah i'll try that now when i install a fresh debian
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18:00<tombii>or possibly dd if=/dev/sda of=mbrbackup bs=512 count=1
18:00<tombii>?
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18:00<tombii>which in this case would be sdb of course
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18:27<tombii>zykotick9: that did it, thanks!
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18:44<canaima>hablaaaa!
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18:44<canaima>como es el comando para cambiar de nombre? quien me dice por favor! :#
18:44<canaima>:3
18:46<canaima>como es el comando para cambiar de nombre? quien me dice, por favor! :3
18:46<canaima>como es el comando para cambiar de nombre? quien me dice, por favor! :3
18:46<canaima>como es el comando para cambiar de nombre? quien me dice, por favor! :3
18:46<canaima>como es el comando para cambiar de nombre? quien me dice, por favor! :3
18:46<canaima>como es el comando para cambiar de nombre? quien me dice, por favor! :3
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18:46<Krig>no spammo por favor
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19:35<zykotick9>tombii: glad you got it fixed. :)
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20:16<qxt>was wondering if there is a place were I should keep my local git code? opt, srv, var ?
20:17<qxt>this is just code I have cloned to my own machine for my own use.
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20:18<qxt>or maybe /user/share/git... idk.
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20:24<nevyn>$homE
20:24<nevyn>~/myrepo
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20:26<blast007>qxt: unless you're going to be hosting the repositories for others to access, keeping it in your home directory somewhere (as was mentioned already) is just fine
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21:49<dark>yo
21:50<Ir0nsh007er>oy
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21:50<dark>how do I download google chrome or something
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21:51<somiaj>dark: you can get the opensource part of chrome called chromium from debian, apt-get install chromium. If you want the additional google non-free addons, you'll have to get it from google. I bet ya a google search would quickly find it
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21:52<dark>chromium is a damn virus every time I find it
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22:03<PovAddict>(gvim:6928): Gdk-WARNING **: shmget failed: error 28 (No space left on device)
22:03<PovAddict>what could that mean?
22:03<PovAddict>too much shared memory being used?
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22:06<somiaj>sounds more like a full harddrive
22:06<somiaj>or partition
22:07<PovAddict>all my partitions have plenty of free space, even tmpfs's
22:08<PovAddict>strace reports:
22:09<PovAddict>shmget(IPC_PRIVATE, 4096, IPC_CREAT|0600) = -1 ENOSPC (No space left on device)
22:09<PovAddict>shmget(IPC_PRIVATE, 393216, IPC_CREAT|0600) = -1 ENOSPC (No space left on device)
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22:11<somiaj>well I don't know what device it is talking about, but it is detecting it as no space
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22:13<PovAddict>"ENOSPC: All possible shared memory IDs have been taken (SHMMNI), or allocating a segment of the requested size would cause the system to exceed the system-wide limit on shared memory (SHMALL)."
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22:15<dark>how do I redecorate something
22:16<catern>PovAddict: probably the latter
22:16<PovAddict>probably the former, I just checked and my shmall is 18446744073692774399
22:18<PovAddict>yup
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22:18<PovAddict>4096 segments allocated
22:18<PovAddict>probably explains some GUI glitches too
22:19<PovAddict>heh, java
22:19<somiaj>dark: what do you want to redecorate? If you rea talking about windows this is usually a function of your desktop/windowmanager (though many newer gtk3 apps decorate themselves)
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22:20<PovAddict>yup
22:20<PovAddict>I run this particular Java app (JOSM) and seconds later all 4096 shared memory segments are in use
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22:21<PovAddict>I close it and I'm down to 42 segments in use
22:21<dark>I hit the little thing in the top left corner of my Qterminal and didn't know what undecorate was, so, yeah. Anyway, kinda want it back on this particular tab
22:21<PovAddict>dark: using KWin? Alt-F3 will open the menu again
22:22<dark>ok, thanks
22:23<dark>I'm new to this btw, so I may be coming a lot
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22:24<PovAddict>an older version of the same app uses "only" 1000 segments instead of running into the system limit of 4096
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22:52<PovAddict>somiaj: getting weirder
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22:54<PovAddict>somiaj: https://paste.kde.org/p70zr6dvp
22:55<PovAddict>oh looks like it's still attached somewhere
22:55<PovAddict>hm
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