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00:24<arkano>sorry lost my connection
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00:32<arkano>any one knows why cant send files fro android phone to debain pc and cant browse file from pc to phone?
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00:32<planet98>hey
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01:03<somiaj>arlen: are you looking for any method? Or do you want to do it over bluetooth?
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02:02<lorelei>hello
02:03<suxuan_>hello
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02:15<kiranos>why didnt debian do as redhat/centos, and go all in on systemd init system, jessie is very confusing, it defaults to systemd, but still all /etc/init.d/ scripts are there, why are they added?
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02:16<rocko>help with Rpi not seeing external HD
02:16<suxuan_>can any one hear from me ?
02:16<rocko>suxuan_:yes
02:17<suxuan_>not so bad , i'm online
02:17<jm_>kiranos: because debian has tens of thousands packages and it takes time to convert everything to systemd ...
02:17<twb>And because debian maintainers have a greater degree of autonomy and some of them don't care about systemd
02:18<twb>And because debian doesn't solve upgrades by just telling their users to reinstall from scratch
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02:19<rocko>why can raspberry pi see my external HD
02:20<towo^work>why not?
02:20<jm_>rocko: are you using raspbian on it?
02:21<twb>kiranos: you can tell if a systemd unit was created automatically from /etc/init.d by looking at its Description attribute
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02:22<kiranos>twb: ok yea I found the converted systemd settings, but its still confusing as it doesnt take into account /etc/default/package
02:22<kiranos>which is called from the originial init.d scritp
02:22<kiranos>script
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02:24<twb>kiranos: most of the time /etc/default/foo will still be read
02:24<twb>kiranos: if you have a specific issue, I can help you
02:25<twb>If you just want to complain that the situation in jessie is annoying, then I can only agree ;-)
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02:26<kiranos>twb: I have an issue with redis-server it has an ulimit -n setting which it takes from /ec/default/redis-server but in jessie its not used
02:27<kiranos>the systemd service is not using it as it has both an init.d and systemd.service
02:27<kiranos>I've fixed it with a
02:27<kiranos>nano -w /etc/systemd/system/redis-server.service.d/limits.conf
02:27<kiranos>[Service]
02:27<kiranos>LimitNOFILE=65536
02:27<kiranos>but there is no documentation about this
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02:29<twb>kiranos: if I were you, I'd file a bug about it because the upgrade was bumpy
02:30<kiranos>yea I'll do that thanks, the bugreporting tool btw is awesome :)
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02:33<twb>Were you manually adding "ulimit -n xxx" to /etc/default/redis-server, or was it already supported there in some way?
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02:33<twb>The latter, I see it now in debian/redis-server.default
02:34<twb>Unfortunately for ulimit the easy way (EnvironmentFile=-/etc/default/redis-server) will not suffice
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02:45<kiranos>twb: yea it seems like the correct way is to add LimitNOFILE=65536
02:45<twb>kiranos: your workaround is definitely the Right WayTM
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04:11<twb>Suppose I'm a bad person and not using "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Is it naughty to set /etc/localtime and ignore /etc/timezone?
04:11<twb>systemd appears to only read the latter if the former can't be read
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04:11<twb>Ah! Maybe that is only in systemd post-jessie
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04:13<twb>From debian/patches/Add-back-support-for-Debian-specific-config-files.patch in v215 it sounds like that file is a Debianism...
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04:38<twb>Why does systemd's localtime.5 say that /etc/localtime *MUST* be a symlink, when tzdata forces it to be a regular file?
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04:39<twb>https://wiki.debian.org/TimeZoneChanges seems to indicate it's to work around problems where tzdata isn't up to date
04:40<twb>It'd be nice if the debian systemd patch also updated the documentation, so I wasn't reading in Debian's systemd about how it's supposed to work on Fedora :-/
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04:42<abc>c'è un canale italiano per debian?
04:42<twb>!it
04:42<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
04:42<stemid>!it
04:42<s_20>apparently there is
04:42<abc>grazie mille!
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04:43<jm_>heh that tz wiki page mentions zdump, never knew about this useful tool (I always regreted how /etc/localtime stopped being a symlink)
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04:44<twb>jm_: systemd says it's wrong to be a regular file
04:44<twb>jm_: if you wanna shout at people until it turns back into a symlink, I won't mind :-)
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04:44<twb>You can say lennart made you do it
04:44<stemid>zdump was quite nice as a world clock.
04:45<twb>stemid: hrm, yes
04:45<twb>I always just did TZ=... date
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04:52<branko_>whois arlen
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05:17<gnumonk>Hi
05:17<gnumonk>how to use rsyslog to configure to receive logs via private gateway
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05:19<twb>gnumonk: what is a private gateway?
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05:22<gnumonk>twb: route table can have entry for something like Routing table: __new_private1_.inet
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05:23<twb>That doesn't make any sense to me at all.
05:23<gnumonk>wait will give an example.
05:24<twb>My routing table entries look more like 10.1.2.0/24 dev en0 src 10.1.2.3
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05:26<gnumonk>twb: see this http://paste.debian.net/332965/
05:27<twb>You mean policy routing?
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05:27<twb>i.e. ip rule + ip route show table waffles
05:27<twb>Or do you mean setting up a container with a new network namespace/
05:27<twb>the format you pasted doesn't look like anything I've seen on linux
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05:28<twb>if you want policy routing, see ip rule & netfilter's "fwmark" module. #netfilter on Freenode can help with that
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05:29<gnumonk>so I have central logging on Debian Box using rsyslog, this box is BSD.
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05:31<gnumonk>so anyway to tell rsyslog.conf to use gateway like __newone_private
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05:36<twb>I can't help you try to configure BSD; I don't understand it
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06:04<EmleyMoor>I'm getting this kind of message regularly reported in logcheck - what causes it? Nov 15 19:04:09 fitzalan sshd[10863]: fatal: Unable to negotiate a key exchange method [preauth]
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06:08<duclicsic>EmleyMoor: probably just some client trying to connect that doesn't support whatever key algorithm you have used. i get these all the time.
06:08<EmleyMoor>But is it at all possible to identify where it's coming from?
06:09<duclicsic>where what is coming from? the connecting client?
06:09<EmleyMoor>Yes
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06:09<duclicsic>it's just random infected hosts on the internet scanning for ssh
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06:10<EmleyMoor>duclicsic: Random, infected and unknowable?
06:10<Dr_O>EmleyMoor: you could try increasing the logging level of the sshd to see if sshd then logs the problem IP then you could firewall them off
06:10<duclicsic>well there might be an entry in your auth log or something
06:10<duclicsic>might give away the IP
06:10<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... will check those points
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06:11<duclicsic>but there's not much point worrying about it, it's telling you someone failed to properly connect to your ssh service, that's all
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08:42<Bunsen>Hello, I am trying to get my debian stable install to work on my 5.1 surround system(hdmi connected to my tv, the sound is sent to the receiver by the tv) but when I select surround sound from sound settings, I hear nothing. When I revert to stereo, all I hear is crackled noise. Is anyone familiar with that?
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08:48<israel>Bunsen if you could describe what DE (Gnome, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, etc) you are using it might help someone help you.
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08:53<Bunsen>Israel, I am using Gnome
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08:56<israel>Bunsen, I don't use Gnome nor do I have surround sound, but you might find useful info here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SurroundSound
08:57<israel>Ubuntu is based off of Debian and it has some info about surround sound
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08:58<Bunsen>thanks, I was alreday looking into the pulse conf file
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08:59<james>hello
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09:01<Bunsen>Well, that just totally screwed me over hehe
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09:33<emerald>this is odd, the http dvd image for jessie i386 is 3.7GB, although the torrent is 4.0GB. is there a notable difference between the two?
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09:37<emerald>strangely enough the md5 is okay. nevermind
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09:42<centrx>emerald, could be the difference between a 1000 byte kilobyte vs a 1024 byte kilobyte
09:44<dnshane>Are the PGP signatures? MD5 seems insufficiently paranoid these days. ;)
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09:45<tinymikey_> gOODMORNING EVERYONE
09:47<dnshane>tinymikey_: I hear there is a patch for stuck CapsLock keys now. ;)
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09:48<emerald>I think it's just how GNOME always displayed it differently
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09:49<tinymikey_>dnshane: Im gonna have to check that out. hopefully i have enough ram to run the path ;)
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10:06<Myon>"Bei den Queries des $kunden, mit Query-Plaenen, die sie wohl irgendwo aus den abgestuerzten UFOs aus Roswell abgetippt haben ..." :D
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10:07<PovAddict>?
10:07<centrx>Something about UFOs
10:07<centrx>Unbekanntes Flugobjekt
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10:11<tinymikey_>are you wear a tinfoil hat???? "they" might hear your thoughts if not
10:11<PovAddict>tinymikey_: that's not true
10:12<tinymikey_>its not?
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10:13<PovAddict>tinymikey_: http://web.archive.org/web/20120525080800/http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/
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10:14<dnshane>PovAddict: That's what THEY want you to believe!!!
10:14<tinymikey_>i just spit my cereal on my keyboard xD
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10:15<Depechetoi>re =)
10:15<Depechetoi>!fortune
10:15<dpkg>i heard fortune is a program traditionally used to produce a semi-random, semi-witty statement. Hints and tips on using Debian are available as a fortune database, install the fortunes-debian-hints package (see also /usr/share/doc/fortunes-debian-hints/README.Debian).
10:15<centrx>Doesn't that study show that the thoughts could not be read when the person was wearing the tinfoil helmet? QED
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10:22<tinymikey_>im using kde. and i get getting unknown media when i apt-get install or remove or autoremove. i read its just a bug that keeps coming back. anyone else have a view on it?
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10:24<musca>!bat
10:24<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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10:25<PovAddict>bat?
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10:27<musca>something like "basic apt troubleshooting" i guess
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10:32<tinymikey_>its not doing it at the moment. just every now and then it says about 5 lines of unknown media type. never understood what thats about
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10:35<takpak>do you know of some recent (2015) comparison of Ubuntu and Debian as far as technical capabilities and design decisions?
10:35<pc>hi
10:35<takpak>actually, technical comparisons are rather few and far between
10:35<pc>Can you you hear me ?
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10:35<centrx>pc, Yes, you sound beautiful
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10:36<pc>thank you its my first time in a irc channel
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10:36<centrx>takpak, I don't know, but https://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+vs+debian
10:37<centrx>takpak, Generally, Debian is more solid as a server operating system, while Ubuntu has fancy additions that sometimes break
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10:37<takpak>centrx: less interested in the superficial reviews that sites like cnet are doing
10:38<centrx>takpak, Ubuntu is a Debian derivative, so fundamentally an Ubuntu release starts off with software that came from Debian
10:39<takpak>centrx: Ubuntu is both a downstream of Debian, but also has more recent versions of some packages
10:39<centrx>takpak, They tailor the system to be more "user-friendly", or add features like OpenStack or whatnot
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10:39<centrx>takpak, Yes it does
10:39<centrx>takpak, You can also use the Debian testing rolling distribution if you are looking for newer packages
10:39<centrx>Which has its own trade-offs
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10:39<centrx>takpak, What are your goals / concerns?
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10:40<takpak>centrx: a few technical details, gotchas, architectural decisions, as far as they differ
10:42<centrx>I don't know what more to say. They are fundamentally similar, but Ubuntu is designed more for beginners and ease-of-use features
10:42<blast007>takpak: the great thing is, they are both free, so you can try them both out for yourself and make an informed decision
10:42<centrx>takpak, Debian works on 12 different CPU architectures, and has more software packages out of the box
10:43<centrx>takpak, Debian is more solid and secure
10:43<centrx>takpak, Ubuntu papers over difficult configuration issues in some areas
10:43<s_20>my recent experience with (k)ubuntu at work are very bad when it comes to upgrades
10:44<s_20>*experiences
10:44<muep>though most users need just one or two cpu architectures
10:45<muep>of course it is nice that debian supports more than the bare minimum
10:46<takpak>on the other hand, I really like the Debian process, far more transparent, democratic
10:47<takpak>and Canonical demands copyrights to allow contributions
10:47<takpak>though really not a democracy, a kind of elective technocracy
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10:52<centrx>takpak, Yeah, along those lines, Ubuntu has a search box that sends all your searches to Canonical
10:52<centrx>takpak, allows closed-source software
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10:55<takpak>centrx: so does Debian via the nonfree repos
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10:56<centrx>takpak, Right, I mean they aren't strict about keeping it separate, so your default install can have closed-source software that might do all the standard things Microsoft does these days
10:56<centrx>re privacy
10:56<takpak>ubuntu-restricted-extras also
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10:57<centrx>https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
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11:00<otyugh>takpak, I always thought Ubuntu stopped that
11:00<otyugh>ho
11:01<otyugh>My bad, I thought it was not "data send to Canonical" but "Amazone" ><
11:01<takpak>otyugh: I see the default install no longer activates contrib and nonfree by default
11:01<takpak>but they are still available
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11:01<otyugh>arh
11:02<otyugh>Sorry, i was adressing centrx, my bad T_T
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11:04<takpak>centrx: oh, clause 4 is a mystery, do you know how that came about? i.e. a program author may restrict distribution of her program in modified form but allow patches which can be applied at build time
11:05<takpak>I know of no license that requires that
11:05<takpak>or what advantage that may give as far as copyright
11:06<takpak>oh, may be able to prevent the distribution of a modified program in binary form
11:06<centrx>takpak, http://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/1198/understanding-4th-point-restriction-to-distribute-modified-source-code-of-open
11:06<centrx>takpak, Looks like TeX is an example
11:06<centrx>takpak, So the original code is "pure"
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11:07<takpak>that is kind of strange and questionable
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11:08<takpak>but I guess such a provision may have prevented the debian crypto clusterfuck some years back
11:09<takpak>although many other measures may have prevented that particular incident
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11:10<ququshka77>#help
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11:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:06<Dr_O>takpak: pine used to only allow source distrib with upstream source and patches. Superseded by alpine now.
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12:10<deb>hi :)
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12:18<at0m>,v mysql
12:18<judd>No package named 'mysql' was found in amd64.
12:19<markybob>,v mysql-server
12:19<judd>Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.1.73-1; squeeze: 5.1.73-1; squeeze-security-lts: 5.1.73-1+deb6u1; wheezy: 5.5.44-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.44-0+deb8u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.46-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.5.46-0+deb7u1; jessie-security: 5.5.46-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.46-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.6.25-4; sid: 5.6.27-2
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12:26<bittin_>everyone is invited to my bday party tommorow
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12:30<canaima>hola q hace
12:30<somiaj>bittin_: thanks, but you should try to stay on topic in #debian. (:
12:30<somiaj>!es
12:30<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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12:39<tinymikey_>ded: Hi :3
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13:09<deb>:)
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13:13<german>I have installed nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver also I have 3D acceleration and 32-bit libraries, but not at me steam
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13:14<towo`>which 32bit libraries?
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13:14<german>towo`, yes
13:14<towo`>german, you kidding?
13:14<german>no
13:15<towo`>you can't answer yes or no on that question
13:15<german>?
13:15<towo`>i want to know, which 32bit libs you have installed
13:15<german>I have 32-bit libraries
13:15<german>dpkg --add-architecture i386
13:15*dpkg gets an architect to start planning a new classical processor
13:16<towo`>german, no, you have activated multiarch
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13:16<towo`>german, you would need apt install libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx:i386
13:17<german>ok
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13:17<german>towo`, and nvidia-xconfig ?
13:17<towo`>for what?
13:17<towo`>nvidia-xconfig is crap
13:18<german>then run nvidia-xconfig
13:18<german>reboot or needless?
13:18<somiaj>nvidia-xconfig makes terrible xorg files. You should only need 3-4 lines in your xorg.conf to get the nvidia drivers to work
13:18<somiaj>!nvidia-kernel-dkms
13:18<dpkg>For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
13:18<somiaj>those instructions work, just modify everything to be the -legacy driver
13:19<german>ok
13:19<german>Good!
13:19<german>thanks
13:19<german>:D
13:20<german>towo`, thanks
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13:34<sagir3>krajos, wazaaa
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13:34<krajos>Ha! Hey man
13:34<krajos>This is fantastic
13:35<sagir3>hey dude. so over here, you can ask any questions about troubleshooting. around half the people are afk at any time, so give em some time to answer
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13:36<sagir3>does anyone here have a Surface Pro 4?
13:36<sagir3>and have the touchpad working flawlessly?
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13:44<krajos>has anyone played around with the SP4 + Debian?
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14:08<sagir3>not a single peep...
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14:09<markybob>sagir3, you blame us? why would we?
14:11<mtn>peep
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14:57<aaqaa>hello
14:58<aaqaa>germany ?
14:58<aaqaa>yes or no
14:58<aaqaa>?
14:58<joker_75>Yes
14:58<somiaj>aaqaa: looking for help in english or german?
14:58<somiaj>!de
14:58<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
14:58<aaqaa>Danke
14:58<aaqaa>;)
14:58<aaqaa>Meine lieben Hacker
14:59<aaqaa>;)
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15:07<aaqaa>hallo
15:07<aaqaa>Deutsch?
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15:27<uzivatel>hi all
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15:29<uzivatel>hey guys
15:30<uzivatel>why is this thing here?
15:30<uzivatel>i dont know
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15:30<uzivatel>im askin u for help
15:30<uzivatel>if usee my type pls answer
15:30<towo`>!ask
15:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:31<uzivatel>i dont know
15:31<uzivatel>i m a newbie
15:32<towo`>but you can read or not?
15:32<uzivatel>if u are not a robot sure .. i can read
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15:33<uzivatel>what i can do here?
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15:34<blast007>uzivatel: this is a support channel for Debian Linux. Do you have a support question about Debian?
15:36<uzivatel>jep... i dont know what to do with him
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15:46<otyugh>uzivatel : go to install party or other event where GNU/Linux is discussed between enthuasiast ; if you don't feel like learning on your own, it is the way to go.
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15:49<uzivatel>otyugh: u gnow what... i just want to know how to create the application
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16:13<blast007>uzivatel: please keep questions in-channel
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16:54<bpr_admin>I'm getting an error:
16:54<bpr_admin>a start job is running for lsb raise network interfaces
16:54<bpr_admin>How do I get past this? I can't even troubleshoot the system because debian hangs at that point
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17:05<german>Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:
17:05<german> nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver:i386 : Depende: xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx:i386 (= 304.125-1) pero no va a instalarse
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17:15<german>help, please
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17:39<joe>yo
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18:11<pron>any ideas why debian installer with preseed sometimes skips disk detection?
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18:30<oOG4m30v3rOo>hi help me pls
18:30<PovAddict>!ask
18:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:31<oOG4m30v3rOo>im os Kali Linux.... error apt-get update
18:31<PovAddict>this channel is for Debian, not Kali
18:31<oOG4m30v3rOo>sorry
18:31<PovAddict>!kali
18:31<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
18:31<PovAddict>why are you using that distro anyway?
18:32<oOG4m30v3rOo>I'm not able to join the channel
18:32<pron>uff i will ask here too, any ideas why disk-detect doesnt detect disks with preseed automaticly?
18:32<pron>when i select it manualy again it does
18:32<pron>=)
18:32<abrotman>oOG4m30v3rOo: that channel is on irc.freenode.net
18:32<abrotman>pron: you might want #debian-boot or #debian-installer
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18:33<pron>debian boot is too silent :D
18:34-!-otyugh [~tyutyugh@ARennes-251-1-204-250.w2-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
18:34<pron>and #debian-install is meant for those who are banned @ debian-boot :=]
18:34<pron>at least what topic says
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18:34<PovAddict>#debian-install doesn't exist, doesn't have a topic
18:35<somiaj>I think it is #debian-installer
18:35<pron>#debian-installer :P
18:35<pron>yes yes
18:35<pron>so my issue looks like this
18:35<pron>https://www.dropbox.com/s/yz8sca9uolvntzk/Screenshot%202015-11-17%2001.35.10.tiff?dl=0
18:35<pron>;<
18:36<pron>and thats in vmware , so no fancy hardware
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18:38<pron>hmm it looks like it doesnt load ata module
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18:43<oOG4m30v3rOo>-.-
18:44<oOG4m30v3rOo>I can not access chat for kali linux -.-
18:45<abrotman>where?
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18:45<abrotman>on irc.freenode.net?
18:45<abrotman>then ask #freenode for help
18:45<oOG4m30v3rOo>yes
18:45<abrotman>then ask #freenode for help, not us
18:45<abrotman>If we're not support for Kali Linux, we're certainly not support for #kali-linux
18:46*PovAddict thinks the car analogy should be a dpkg factoid
18:46<oOG4m30v3rOo>root@kali:~# apt-get update
18:46<oOG4m30v3rOo>Scaricamento di:1 http://dl.google.com stable Release.gpg [198 B]
18:46<oOG4m30v3rOo>Scaricamento di:2 http://repository.spotify.com stable Release.gpg [819 B]
18:46<oOG4m30v3rOo>Scaricamento di:3 http://dl.google.com stable Release [1347 B]
18:46<oOG4m30v3rOo>Scaricamento di:4 http://repository.spotify.com stable Release [2434 B]
18:46-!-oOG4m30v3rOo was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
18:46<PovAddict>-.-
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18:46<abrotman>wtf
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18:48<PovAddict>abrotman: he just managed to join the right channel, and opened with "hi, help me, pls", in three separate messages
18:48<PovAddict>-.-
18:49<PovAddict>inb4 he flood-pastes his console output there too
18:49<PovAddict>anyway
18:50<PovAddict>how do I do ssh agent forwarding?
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19:03<PovAddict>ah got it
19:03<PovAddict>it *was* working
19:04<PovAddict>it's just my final server in the agent-forwarding chain doesn't actually allow my key, but the key in my other PC
19:04<PovAddict>-.-
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19:33<sergeig>Hi, I am having trouble with libc6-dev-amd64 package. Debian website reports that it exists, but my command `apt-cache search libc6-dev-amd64` does not find it.
19:33<sergeig>I am on Debian 3.16-7-ckt11-1+deb8u6, x86_64
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19:37<mtn>sergeig, do you have non-free and contrib in your sources?
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19:38<mtn>,v libc6-dev-amd64
19:38<judd>No package named 'libc6-dev-amd64' was found in amd64.
19:38<sergeig>I only have main and contrib
19:39<sergeig>https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libc6-dev-amd64
19:40<mtn>sergeig, that is a 32bit package. do you have 64bit install? if so, you need multilib
19:41<mtn>sergeig, https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO
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19:43<sergeig>my `dpkg --print-architecture` returns amd64
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19:44<sergeig>The package seems to be amd64. Why can't I locate it?
19:44<mtn>sergeig, then that is what you need
19:45<PovAddict>sergeig: if you're in amd64, why install the -amd64 package, which seems to predate multiarch? get libc6-dev
19:45<PovAddict>afaik libc6-dev-amd64 is for 32-bit users to get 64-bit headers (for cross-compiling I guess)
19:46<mtn>I had it backwards
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19:46<sergeig>Thank you. I will give libc6-dev a try.
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19:47<sergeig>I am following dev env instructions that are originally for Ubuntu. I am also not sure how outdated the instructions are. I am a newbie in that respect.
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19:48<abrotman>well, Debian isn't Ubuntu for starters
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20:34<tinymikey_>good afternoon everyone
20:35<aaanathan>Hi
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20:48<twb>Is there a one-stop bug number I can cite for mtab -> /proc/self/mounts ?
20:48<twb>debootstrap doesn't create it, so I do it by hand after debootstrap to avoid an annoying warning message at boot time
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20:51<twb>Oddly it's created in /etc/init.d/ but not mentioned anywhere in systemd's native config
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20:53<twb>Huh, LIBMOUNT_MTAB=/proc/self/mounts
20:53-!-kevni [~Geveze@broadband-109-173-18-33.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #debian
20:53<kevni>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:53<behre>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:53<canpolat>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:53<husrev>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:53<PovAddict>nobody click those links ^
20:54<abrotman>no .. you don't say ...
20:54-!-fakihe [~muhpir@167.160.163.105] has joined #debian
20:54<fakihe>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
20:54<PovAddict>abrotman: mind the newbies ;)
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20:54<keyfer>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:54<kutam>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:54<kayhan>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:54<delfin>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
20:54<Matrix_>why PovAddict dont click
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20:54<sney>!ops we got some spam
20:54<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: sney complains about: we got some spam
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20:54-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
20:54-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
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20:54<bengialp>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
20:54<abrotman>sney: I can see, I just commented ..
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20:54-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@118-170-41-49.dynamic.hinet.net] by abrotman
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20:54-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
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20:54<bayman>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:54<berfu>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:54<sney>sorry, missed it in the flood
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20:55<cumhuriyet>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:55<cenker>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:55<kartekin>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:55<sney>plus you weren't doing anything
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20:55<karlu>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:55<caner>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:55<fetanet>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
20:55<abrotman>sney: in case you didn't notice, they're quitting right after they spam ..
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20:55<firdevsi>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
20:55<abrotman>sney: do you have joins/parts turned off?
20:55<PovAddict>sney: he was loading the bullets
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20:55<beyan>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
20:55<twb>How is OFTC auto-detecting that?
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20:55<dura>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
20:55-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
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20:55<birim>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
20:55<binay>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
20:55-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
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20:55-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
20:55<twb>"... QUIT autokilled: This host may be infected. Mail support@oftc.net with questions. BOPM"
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20:56<donat>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:56<PovAddict>twb: magic?
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20:56<durualp>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:56<hasret>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
20:56<twb>I presume it's not just looking at join/part heuristics
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20:56<laleruh>http://www.sohbetnaz.org
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20:56-debhelper:#debian-Channel locked temporarily due to flood, sorry for any inconvenience this may cause :-)
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20:57<twb>grumble grumble
20:58<PovAddict>still +i right?
20:58<sney>yep
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20:58<twb>Yeah the warning message is coming from live-boot, separately from the other parts of live-boot that break mtab (and presumably aren't called). Blech.
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20:59-!-mode/#debian [-i] by abrotman
20:59*abrotman wonders ..
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21:00<twb>Ohhhh, I take it back. mtab symlink w/ warning is from /lib/init/mount-functions.sh whereas the derpage is in /lib/live/boot/9990-aaa-fixme.sh
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21:08<twb>Hrm, systemd:tmpfiles.d/etc.conf:L+ /etc/mtab - - - - ../proc/self/mounts
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21:09<twb>Oh wow. Oh WOW.
21:09<twb>systemd will crack the shits if your symlink from /etc/mtab to /proc/self/mounts isn't a specific string --- it doesn't normalize the path then check it once
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21:11<twb>And when I look at a booted jessie desktop, I have a regular file in /etc/mtab. JOY.
21:12<twb>And systemd hasn't logged anything about it either.
21:12<twb>I have NFI what to think anymore
21:12<sarnold>sed -i will turn a symlink into a regular file; one of the lxc tools made that mistake..
21:13<twb>I don't think I'm doing that, but live-boot might be
21:13<twb>Binary file /usr/bin/oldfind matches
21:13<twb>>boggle<
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21:24<tinymikey__>can someone help with a python script???
21:25<twb>tinymikey__: you probably want #python on irc.freenode.net
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21:27<tinymikey__>twb: thanks
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22:27<johnfg>hi folks
22:28<johnfg>I've got a brand new install of jessie on a pretty old laptop.
22:28<johnfg>Right now, when the system boots, it's not letting me see the grub menu, as it says it can't use the resolution.
22:29<twb>I'm waiting for the "but" :-)
22:29<twb>Ah
22:29<twb>This is an x86/x86-64 system?
22:29<twb>I'd just try turning off the fancy-pants GUI in grub
22:29<johnfg>And I have an older squeeze that I want to copy some things over from, but I'm not seeing it in the grub menu.
22:29<johnfg>twb: It's an x86
22:31<twb># Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)
22:31<twb>#GRUB_TERMINAL=console
22:31<twb>johnfg: ^ try that, then IIRC "update-grub"
22:31<johnfg>twb: Ah, that's it.
22:31<twb>Or I guess you could try messing with the resolution line below it
22:32<johnfg>twb: That's in a file in /etc/grub.d, right?
22:32<twb>johnfg: /etc/default/grub-pc AFAICT
22:32<twb>I'm looking at the source package
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22:45<kalium>Can someone help me get my nVidia drivers working? I'm on a Dell L502x laptop (with nVidia Optimus), running Debian 8 Jessie. I have installed both the intel and nvidia graphics, and bumblebee as well, but I'm having trouble getting my xorg.conf settings to work properly.
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22:45<kalium>Every single xorg.conf setting I tried resulted in a "No screens found error" when starting up the desktop environment
22:46<Brigo>kalium, did you check the wiki? https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee
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22:46<kalium>I did. tried every step there.
22:51<kalium>Desktop loads fine when delete xorg.conf, so the problem most likely is there
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22:54<johnfg>Did a reboot, so was away.
22:55<johnfg>Well, I at least see the grub menu now, and grub-mkconfig said it found the system on /dev/sda3, but it didn't write it to grub.cfg.
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22:56<johnfg>Is there something else I need to do with /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober?
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23:00<twb>johnfg: that's beyond me, sorry.
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23:18<johnfg>Sorry, had to reboot again. Finally looking at a decent resolution.
23:19<johnfg>What do I need to install to get a right click terminal on gnome?
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23:19<PovAddict>right click terminal?
23:19<PovAddict>you mean in the file browser, right click a folder and have a 'open terminal here' command?
23:19<johnfg>PovAddict: i.e., right click, then have a terminal in the menu as an option.
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23:19<twb>Hrm, isn't that a .desktop in ~/.config somewhere
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23:20<twb>Hrm, ^etc$/^xdg$/^Thunar$/^uca.xml$ # This file makes Thunar show "Open Terminal Here" in right-click (context) menu.
23:20<PovAddict>thunar is the new file browser?
23:20*PovAddict not a gnome person
23:21<twb>no, thunar is xfce
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23:40<dos>claw
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23:41<twb>No, "The Craw"! The Craw!
23:43<johnfg>Any idea why update-grub isn't writing my debian squeeze to grub.cfg?
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23:45<twb>Does it give an error?
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23:46<chris_goe>twb: we spoke a few days ago about my syslog-ng not starting propery under systemd. Turns out this was a known problem, kinda. At least the internet knew and basically had the same solution: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/202044/
23:47<twb>Thanks for the update
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23:48<johnfg>twb: It doesn't. In fact, it reports the system correctly, after finding it, but doesn't write it.
23:48<twb>johnfg: could it be that it's writing to /boot on the root fs, because /boot fs isn't mounted?
23:49<twb>johnfg: the key point seems to be that old syslog-ng defaults to stream instead of datagram, and journald doesn't speak stream.
23:49<twb>*chris_goe: the key point seems to be that old syslog-ng defaults to stream instead of datagram, and journald doesn't speak stream.
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23:51<johnfg>it's writing to /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but not the system on /dev/sda3
23:52<johnfg>Would it make any difference if I mounted /dev/sda3 somewhere?
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23:53<twb>johnfg: I don't know what /dev/sda3 is for you
23:54<twb>I guess that is your /boot ?
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23:54<johnfg>twb: Nope, boot is /dev/sda1
23:54<twb>WHat is sda3, then
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