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02:05<neosha>Hello,
02:05<neosha>I am trying to build (an unmodified) xfs.ko kernel module
02:05<neosha>However, the vermagic does not match from whatever is already installed on my system.
02:05<neosha>Here are the commands I ran and the outputs.
02:05<neosha>$ uname -a
02:05-!-neosha was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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02:11<neosha>Hello,
02:11<neosha>I am trying to build (an unmodified) xfs.ko kernel module
02:11<neosha>However, the vermagic does not match from whatever is already installed on my system.
02:11<neosha>Here are the commands I ran and the outputs.
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02:12<neosha>hello
02:12<jm_>please stop pasting, use the pastebin site -- /msg dpkg paste
02:12<neosha>I am trying to build (an unmodified) xfs.ko kernel module
02:12<neosha>ok sorry
02:12<neosha>this is my first time
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02:13<neosha>however, the vermagic does not match from whatever is already installed on my system
02:13<neosha>Here are the commands I ran and the outputs.
02:14<jm_>put those on the paste site
02:14<neosha>http://paste.debian.net/333739/
02:14<neosha>done
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02:24<nonedead>I have been looking for hours for a answer for my resolv.conf problem I have been having
02:24<nonedead>It clears itself the instant something is written to it
02:24<nonedead>I do not have resolvconf or NetworkManager installed
02:24<nonedead>Any suggestions?
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02:28<jm_>neosha: and why is that a problem?
02:29<nonedead>I can not resolve any dns names
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02:29<jm_>nonedead: dhcp client often messes with that too
02:29<jm_>!resolv.conf
02:29<dpkg>/etc/resolv.conf is a resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It is written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>.
02:29<nonedead>I am using a static address
02:29<nonedead>not dhcp
02:30<jm_>then find out what's overwriting it
02:31<nonedead>Any suggestions?
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02:37<nonedead>I am not finding anything that i do not have to install packages to see whats going on
02:39<jm_>you can use linux auditing to find what's modifying a file if your kernel has support for it
02:41<nonedead>I do not have it currently installed, I can not install anything due to no dns operationg
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02:49<tka>I am a bit new to the debian ecosystem and am wondering about the right approach to reporting bugs. Our Eclipse-based (java)software started crashing when updating Debian from 7.9 to 8.x and I suspect it has to do with GTK.
02:50<tka>I reported it to Eclipse ( https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=482457 ). Should I report it to Debian bugs too?
02:50<jm_>probably not now unless they tell you to
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03:32<nonedead>I can not find what is writing to /etc/resolv.conf
03:36<nonedead>I am completely confused and stuck. Anyone have any suggestions
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03:52<nonedead>Anyone?
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04:28<anonymous>hii
04:29<anonymous>hi guys
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04:49<anonymous>hii guys
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04:50<Pascal_1>hello
04:51<jm_>neosha: my recommendation would be to go all the way and build and install your own kernel if you want to change things
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04:51<Pascal_1>since latest upgradeon my debian SID, i dont know which one, i've got a problem. Each time, once i'm logged in, i want to change user (applet at the right top of the screen "change user"), the screen become black, i can only see mouse cursor and nothing happen. I cant use "ctrl alt f1" the only solution is to reboot, Does someone has the same problem ?
04:51<Pascal_1>here is what happen : http://pastebin.fr/43191
04:51<Pascal_1>thanks for your help
04:52<jm_>for help with sid please ask in #debian-next
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04:53<neosha>ping
04:54<cragdor>Hi All, Just getting up to speed on SystemD as i need to ammend some old service scripts to run on Jessie. Are there any recommendations on good books out there?
04:54<Pascal_1>jm_: it's beacause i didnt have answer on #debian-netxt i post here
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04:56<neosha>jm_:the problem is that we have running servers that cant have such downtime, I want to apply a patch to xfs.ko but I cant even rebuild and load the unchanged xfs.ko
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05:00<jm_>neosha: yeah no need to repeat ;) -- try chaging the local version in kernel config, other than that, I have no clue (or edit include/generated/utsrelease.h if you can get it to compile xfs module without re-generating that file)
05:01<jm_>looks like changing local will do with the right string
05:01<jm_>but for you even the version was different I believe so you'll have to change that in the makefile too
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05:06<jm_>i'll be back later
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05:11<aaqaa>hallo
05:11<aaqaa>ich brauche hilfe
05:11<aaqaa>ich hab Debian jessie (
05:11<aaqaa>8
05:12<aaqaa>Aber ich kann nicht blubbee installieren
05:12<aaqaa>weiß einer villeicht eine Lösung
05:12<s_20>!de
05:12<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
05:13<aaqaa>shutt up
05:14<s_20>lovely.
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06:41<PovAddict>I'm getting some hard-hangs on my laptop
06:42<PovAddict>but I don't think I have a sysrq key :/
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06:44<jm_>do you have print-screen key?
06:44<PovAddict>yes
06:44<jm_>then try using that one
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06:47<PovAddict>if I switch to tty1 and press Alt-PrintScrn-H (which should dump help to the console), nothing happens, and when I release the keys I'm switched back to X
06:47<peter1858>Hi. I'm interested in starting a game project (or finding out if there's something similar going). I'd like to see if I can get people together a bit at a time and try and grow support. I posted on #Debian-Games but there are only 60 people on
06:47<PovAddict>oh, m works (shows memory dump)
06:48<PovAddict>peter1858: I assume #debian-games is for people packaging existing games into Debian
06:48<peter1858>Ah
06:48<peter1858>Thanks
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06:48<peter1858>Is this a good place to chat?
06:49<duclicsic>this is more of a support channel, for general chat go with #debian-offtopic
06:49<PovAddict>jm_: I just set kernel.sysrq=1 to enable all of the magic sysrq features, hope to get more useful info next hang...
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06:51<peter1858>k
06:51<jm_>PovAddict: might not work if it's some real hang
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06:51<PovAddict>jm_: mouse cursor moves (and that's the only thing that works)
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06:53<jm_>PovAddict: so maybe it's just your user interface that goes boom? have you checked session log?
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06:54<PovAddict>hmm
06:54<PovAddict>after looking at syslog more closely, you may be right
06:54<PovAddict>can't check session log now though, already overwritten by post-reboot session
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07:15<PovAddict>hm, something strange is happening, perhaps related to me messing with sysrq
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07:15<PovAddict>Alt-F1 takes me to tty1
07:15<PovAddict>while I'm in X
07:15<PovAddict>shouldn't it need Ctrl-Alt-F1?
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07:18<PovAddict>ugh, Alt-arrows also switches between ttys, which is super annoying
07:18<jm_>in general it can be rebound to alt-f1 too, but it certainly defaults to ctrl-alt
07:18<jm_>perhaps X thinks ctrl is "down"
07:19<PovAddict>no, I think I used sysrq+R
07:19<PovAddict>"unRaw (take control of keyboard back from X)"
07:19<PovAddict>can I undo that? :x
07:21<PovAddict>I guess I'll restart X...
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07:24<PovAddict>restarting X fixed it
07:24<PovAddict>and for another problem...
07:24<PovAddict>my mouse moves too fast
07:24<jmlongo>not your day today ... PovAddict ;)
07:25<PovAddict>I mean it always does, just the X restart reminded me of it :P
07:25<PovAddict>because I had to apply my workaround
07:25<PovAddict>KDE seems to only have configuration for the mouse acceleration, not the normal speed
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07:25<PovAddict>so every time I restart, I have to use "xinput set-float-prop 10 'Device Accel Constant Deceleration' 1.5"
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07:26<PovAddict>is there any permanent place I can set that?
07:26<jmlongo>no idea ... but maybe folks at #debian-kde can help you with that
07:27<PovAddict>I thought maybe xorg.conf had a way to set that kind of xinput properties
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07:30<jm_>man evdev does not mention it
07:30<PovAddict>looks like I can add an InputClass section
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07:31<PovAddict>oh nice, I don't even have a Xorg.conf :D
07:31<PovAddict>modern autoconfiguration is great
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07:31<jm_>ahh it's supported by input config, not evdev, nice
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07:32<jm_>http://paste.debian.net/333818/ i use this at /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20_kbd.conf - should be easily adaptable for mouse I suppose
07:33<PovAddict>I need to be a bit more specific with my matching
07:33<PovAddict>to only affect the wireless mouse and not the touchpad
07:34<jm_>yeah MatchProduct/Vendor thing then
07:34<PovAddict>I wish sudoedit could let vim know the original filename
07:36<PovAddict>if I do 'vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf' it will know it's an X config file and set syntax highlighting accordingly, but if I use sudoedit, it launches 'vim /var/tmp/xorgXXUensOu.conf' and the file type detection doesn't work
07:38<PovAddict>jm_: how do I know the product/vendor strings?
07:39<jm_>PovAddict: for me Xorg.0.log lists it
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07:40<PovAddict>I'm particularly uncreative this morning
07:40<jm_>it's really USB ID
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07:42<PovAddict>[ 2807.334] (II) evdev: Lenovo EasyCamera: Configuring as keyboard
07:42<PovAddict>hah what
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08:03<PovAddict>works :D
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08:03<PovAddict>even supports hotplug, much better than using a startup script
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08:12<anonymous>helo
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09:26<grove>Hi. I'm trying to install Jessie on a new laptop (thinkpad t450s), and it's going fine, except for wifi. Following https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi, I have done the modprobe commands and iwlwifi and cfg80211 shows up in lsmod output, following on to https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse, I have done everything listed under wicd (I prefer just running a window-manager (i3) to desktop environments) but it still doesn't show any networks. How should I proceed?
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09:29<blast007>grove: What is the line for your wireless network adapter from the output of 'lspci -nn' ?
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09:31<Somelauw>Can apt-cache be used to query jessie-backports?
09:31<PovAddict>sure, if jessie-backports is in your sources.list
09:32<Somelauw>it is
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09:32<Somelauw>Oh, it lists both version below each other without telling which version is which
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09:33<grove>blast007: "03:00.0 Network controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 [8086:095b] (rev 59)"
09:33<Somelauw>well, the one with highest version number is more likely to be jessie-backports
09:34<PovAddict>Somelauw: also probably has some +bpo thing in the version number
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09:35<grove>blast: And that is listed among the "Supported Devices" on https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
09:36<blast007>grove: does 'rfkill list' show it is blocked?
09:36<d3nny>Somelauw, you can also use "apt-cache policy" to see from which repo the package will be installed
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09:38<Somelauw>^^ thanks
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09:39<grove>blast007: It doesn't list anything that sounds like it has anything todo with wifi - http://paste.debian.net/333885/
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09:47<peter1138>wireless wan? hmm
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09:49<grove>peter1138: Yeah, there's some king of mobile modem build in, don't plan on using that
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09:55<Somelauw>What is the difference between normal and sloppy backports? If this is documented then where?
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10:02<grove>Somelauw: See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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10:07<Somelauw>grove: Not sure if I understand correctly, but for example wheezy-backports would be at least as recent jessie, whereas wheezy-backports-sloppy can be as recent as jessie-backports itself.
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10:13<Brigo>Somelauw, backports are from sid, sloppy can be from testing, which is a danger when upgrading.
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10:22<inkbottle>Hi, I'm looking for a "night mode display", which would change "all applications" or most of them; including iceweasel
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10:25<s_20>inkbottle: https://packages.debian.org/sid/redshift
10:26<s_20>(nevermind this is the sid version of the package)
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10:27<inkbottle>s_20: thanks, nice; though I'm rather looking for sth which invert the colors: bright on dark, for everything
10:28<s_20>aah, i don't know if something like this exists though
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10:28<s_20>sounds like it would only work for a specific toolkit (like Qt or GTK)
10:28<inkbottle>s_20: at the present I'm specifically targeting iceweasel
10:28<PovAddict>inverting *all* colors can be done X-wide
10:28<s_20>and then there are programs that would still ignore it, like chrome/chromium, that just roll their own UI elements
10:29<PovAddict>but it will look ugly
10:29<PovAddict>since it will affect photos and stuff too
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10:29<inkbottle>PovAddict: yes looks ugly
10:29<inkbottle>s_20: do you know qt or gtk solutions?
10:30<s_20>inkbottle: unfortunately i don't, i was just making comments on the situation, sorry
10:30<PovAddict>in KDE, you open systemsettings and change the color scheme, and all Qt apps will be affected :P
10:30<PovAddict>anyway what's the point? you can probably fix the colors of iceweasel but not of the websites
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10:31<inkbottle>PovAddict: what I want is websites; I've been looking in the direction of usercontent.css; but haven't found a ready to use solution yet
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10:31<PovAddict>yeah that won't work
10:31<PovAddict>most websites aren't designed to let you do that
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10:32<PovAddict>what if a website has a light-colored background image and dark-colored text? your css would only make the text bright and it would be unreadable over the image you can't alter
10:32<inkbottle>yes with "!important" you do change the color
10:32<inkbottle>yes true
10:32<PovAddict>so there is no universal solution
10:32<inkbottle>nop
10:32<PovAddict>you would need to mess with the CSS for every single website
10:32<inkbottle>yes
10:33<inkbottle>that's why i'm looking for a very big usercontent.css
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10:43<grove>It seems my wireless problems are because the firmware included in firmware-iwlwifi/jessie-backports is too old for the 4.2.6 kernel included in jessie-backports. At least dmesg reports problems loading the iwlwifi-7265D-N.ucode (for N from 15 down to 11) and in /lib/firmware there's only iwlwifi-7265D-10 - any suggestions on what I can do about that?
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10:51<Brigo>grove, search and download the new firmware?
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10:56<grove>Brigo: I was hoping for something more debian'ish - can I file a bug report on firmware-iwlwifi afterwards, or will it be ignored when I have versions form jessie-backports?
10:57<Brigo>grove, what version are you using?
10:58<Brigo>,v firmware-iwlwifi
10:58<judd>Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 0.44~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20151018-2; stretch/non-free: 20151018-2
10:58<Brigo>grove, try the version from testing.
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11:01<grove>Brigo: linux-image-4.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 version 4.2.6-1~bpo8+1 and firmware-iwlwifi version 0.44~bpo8+1 (I'll need the backports kernel to get two monitors attached to the docking station to work) -
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11:02<Brigo>grove, as i said, try the version from testing.
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11:03<sridhar>hello there
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11:05<sridhar>hello there
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11:05<sridhar>can anyone help me how to cross compile uboot
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11:08<grove>Brigo: That seems to have solved that, but I still don't get any wifi-interface
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11:09<Brigo>grove, then you are saying there is no more errors but you get no wireless interface?
11:09<Brigo>how do you know there is no wie-interface? with iwconfig?
11:10<Brigo>grove, sorry, mate, i have to go :(
11:10<grove>Brigo: There are no more errors that I have found
11:10<grove>Brigo: Have fun whatever you're going to do - I'll have to leave soon too
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11:11<Brigo>grove, what about iwconfig?
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11:13<grove>Brigo: 'apt search iwconfig' only return iw, I haven't tried that before and haven't spend the time trying to figure it out
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11:14<grove>When I said there were no interfaces it was based on wicd not finding anything. 'ip a l' actually shows a wlan0 interface that just isn't configured
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11:17<lindi->grove: 'apt-file search iwconfig'
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11:18<inkbottle>PovAddict: http://paste.debian.net/333916/; even with this very simple userContent.css, I'm quite happy
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11:19<inkbottle>PovAddict: perhaps add sth to prevent display of background images
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11:20<grove>lindi-: Thanks, it was there all along, just me forgetting to be root when I searched for it - basically says what I already knew, the interface is there, just not configured.
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11:25<blast007>grove: and 'sudo iwlist scan' doesn't show any wireless networks?
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11:37<grove>blast007: After we forced the interface up, it did
11:37<r4fkramer_debian>Hi all
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11:38<r4fkramer_debian>I have a question: according to information on the official website itself Debian Project, about more than 43,000 packages available for installation in the official repositories; I see this information for some time on the site, and gives me the impression that it is perhaps outdated.
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11:38<r4fkramer_debian>But, that is not the only doubt...
11:38<r4fkramer_debian>Already in the descriptions of the Debian on Distrowatch, the number quoted is that it is more than 50,000 applications. What is the actual number of packages available?
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11:39<PovAddict>r4fkramer_debian: a quick check tells me 55745 package
11:39<PovAddict>s
11:39<r4fkramer_debian>Have you got this information through Debian official website ?
11:40<PovAddict>no, I ran "apt-cache dump | grep '^Package:' | grep -v ':i386$' | wc -l" on my computer
11:40<r4fkramer_debian>I couldn't find this number
11:40<PovAddict>so it's probably slightly off
11:40<PovAddict>eg. it's at least 1 package too many because I installed it manually from outside Debian repos :P
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11:41<r4fkramer_debian>PovAddcit, after | grep -v, do I have to write ' :i386 ', exactly like that ?
11:41<norootBrasil>Hello
11:41<r4fkramer_debian>Hello Brasileiro !
11:41<norootBrasil>my name is Diego I am from Brasiliam
11:41<r4fkramer_debian>norrotBrasil, rs
11:41<norootBrasil>rsrsrs
11:41<norootBrasil>yes
11:41<r4fkramer_debian>Where are you from ?
11:42<PovAddict>r4fkramer_debian: I did that because I have a multiarch system with amd64 and i386, I filtered i386 out to avoid counting packages twice
11:42<r4fkramer_debian>so I write between comas ? ' :i386 ' ?
11:42<norootBrasil>From Sao Paulo
11:42<norootBrasil>I use debian'm a big fan.
11:42<r4fkramer_debian>I would like to type this command here also
11:42<norootBrasil>kali linux
11:43<r4fkramer_debian>Why specifically do you use Kali Linux ?
11:43<towo`>!tell norootBrasil about kali
11:43<r4fkramer_debian>This channel is for Debian System, norrotBrasil
11:44<r4fkramer_debian>Hope you can have specific Debian issues
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11:44<PovAddict>r4fkramer_debian: it really depends on how you count packages
11:44<PovAddict>r4fkramer_debian: binary packages or source packages? do you include contrib and non-free or not? if binary, for what architecture? etc etc
11:44<norootBrasil>my whatsapp +55 11 970139749
11:45<towo`>play elsewhere
11:45<norootBrasil>I'm working on the KDE Platform.
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11:45<norootBrasil>I work Penetration Test
11:45<norootBrasil>Hacking Ethical
11:45<norootBrasil>Certificate CEHv8
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11:46<r4fkramer_debian>ok, let me try it again: I will type as follows: apt-cache dump | grep '^Package: ' | grep -v ' :i386$ | vc -l
11:46<r4fkramer_debian>Exactly like that, PovAddict ?
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11:46<PovAddict>r4fkramer_debian: there's better ways, I was just giving an approximation
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11:46<PovAddict>answer my previous questions about how you want to count packages :P
11:47<r4fkramer_debian>I don't know how to answer you; I just would like to have the exact number of available packages for debian jessie
11:47<r4fkramer_debian>just like that
11:47<PovAddict>and I'm saying that's a vague question
11:47<PovAddict>eg. do you want to include non-free packages or not?
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11:48<r4fkramer_debian>don't you know a command that I can run in the terminal in order to have the exact information about number of packages for jessie ?
11:48<r4fkramer_debian>everything, PovAddict
11:48<PovAddict>to get only binary amd64 main packages, you could do this and get a more exact answer
11:48<r4fkramer_debian>including non-free packages
11:48<r4fkramer_debian>oh, sorry, you are right
11:48<PovAddict>curl http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz | xzcat | grep -c '^Package:'
11:48<r4fkramer_debian>mine's hereis amd64
11:49<r4fkramer_debian>let me reformulate again my question: only amd64 packages
11:49<PovAddict>ok so do my previous command, then again with 'contrib' and 'non-free' instead of 'main', and sum them :)
11:50<PovAddict>I still don't think it's a very meaningful number, but whatever
11:50<r4fkramer_debian>I see, do you suspect it is a not much precise number ?
11:50<PovAddict>I'm saying it means nothing
11:51<PovAddict>especially if you want to compare it
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11:51<r4fkramer_debian>why nothing ?
11:51<PovAddict>eg. if you want to compare with other distributions... maybe other distributions split the same software into more or less packages
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11:52<r4fkramer_debian>no, in my case, I don't have this intention ( comparing to other distro package number ).
11:52<abrotman>r4fkramer_debian:The release notes tell you
11:52<r4fkramer_debian>It is only for me to have an idea about Debian Project
11:52<r4fkramer_debian>oh, Hello abrotman
11:52<r4fkramer_debian>Thanks for the information
11:52<r4fkramer_debian>Thanks PovAddict
11:52<abrotman>It would only cover main I suspect
11:52<abrotman>dpkg: dstats jessie
11:52<r4fkramer_debian>for your complete explanation about this doubt
11:53<r4fkramer_debian>oh, I see, abrotman
11:53<abrotman>dstats in the bot used to work, but that's broken for ages now
11:54<r4fkramer_debian>this command does not run here: dstats jessie
11:54<abrotman>it's a bot command, and it's broken, I just said that
11:54<r4fkramer_debian>is that truth dpkg is only a bot ?
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11:54<abrotman>dpkg: what are you
11:54<dpkg>I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
11:55<r4fkramer_debian>Great ! Debian Project has its own infobot !!
11:56<r4fkramer_debian>It should be a good idea we have the resource: apt-get install dpkg infobot
11:57<r4fkramer_debian>PovAddict, do you remember about my doubt yesterday before, related to linux mint repositories in Debian Jessie ?
11:57<r4fkramer_debian>I edited my sources.list here with linux mint repository adress
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11:58<r4fkramer_debian>after our dialogue, I deleted it from my sources.list
11:58<r4fkramer_debian>but, I don't know if my Debian is damaged or not, after this wrong action
11:59<r4fkramer_debian>is there any command I can use to tune my system now, to check if there is any inconsistency because of other used repositories here ?
12:00<lindi->r4fkramer_debian: yeah, apt-get update && apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate
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12:02<somiaj>r4fkramer_debian: aptitude search has some great flags, and with a bit of work you can tell aptitude search to find all packages that are not installable from your current repo (aptitude search ~o), this won't tell you if you have different versions installed. That is a bit more complicated. But you can get aptitude search ti list all packages that are of different versions than avialble from your current repo (though this is a bit more ...
12:02<somiaj>... difficult and I cna't think of the command off the top of my head)
12:03<r4fkramer_debian>Hello lindi, Pleasure to know you here !
12:03<r4fkramer_debian>Thanks a lot, Dear New Debian Support !
12:04<r4fkramer_debian>oh, Hello somiaj !
12:04<r4fkramer_debian>Nice to see you here again !
12:04<r4fkramer_debian>yes, somiaj, and I realize that, for me it could be a risk
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12:04<r4fkramer_debian>lindi, see this output message, after I typed the command you have passed me....
12:05<somiaj>but aptitude search ~o is something you should do, this shows obsolete packages. As for having the wrong version, this may take a bit more searching.
12:05<r4fkramer_debian>Fetched 140 kB in 8s (15.7 kB/s)
12:05<r4fkramer_debian>Reading package lists... Done
12:05<r4fkramer_debian>update is ok
12:05<r4fkramer_debian>but the problem is the rest of the command...
12:05<somiaj>you could also check your logs (/var/log/apt) and see what packages were upgraded durign the time you had the mint repo enabled and then look at those with apt-get policy package-name (make sure you ahve the rigt version isntalled)
12:05<r4fkramer_debian>-su: apt-show-versions: command not found
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12:07<r4fkramer_debian>I see somiaj, thanks for that, I will check it here as you suggested
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12:07<r4fkramer_debian>somiaj, is that norma when you update your system, some lines that begins with ' Ign ' ?
12:07<r4fkramer_debian>Ign http://mozilla.debian.net jessie-backports/iceweasel-release Translation-en
12:07<r4fkramer_debian>as an example
12:08<r4fkramer_debian>Ign - ignore ?
12:08<r4fkramer_debian>is that healthy ?
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12:09<markybob>r4fkramer_debian, that's normal. ignore it :P
12:09<r4fkramer_debian>now, I'm only using Debian Jessie official repository here
12:09<somiaj>jessie-backports are pinned lower than your main repo. This is normal and part of the design. Packages will not automatically upgrade to the backport version. You have to explicity ask to install packages from backports. (since backports are not tested as thourghly as the main packages it is reasonable to not automatically upgrade ot them)
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12:10<somiaj>though I'm not exactally sure what is going on with your post. And ufnorntally I'm running late and must leave
12:10<r4fkramer_debian>does it happen in your system also, when you update it, markybob ?
12:10<r4fkramer_debian>oh, I see somiaj, so, that is the Debian way to proceed....
12:10<r4fkramer_debian>ok, thanks again !
12:10<r4fkramer_debian>Oh, you are going to leave out, somiaj ?
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13:01<Golgo>I installed XFCE and I would like the reomve KDE. How do I remove it?
13:01<blast007>!remove kde
13:01<dpkg>To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
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13:10<Golgo>Willl I have any trouble Uninstalling KDE from Debian Jessie?
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13:12<Flyer>no
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13:12<Golgo>Flyer: okay thanks
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13:58<supaman>hey, trying to set up a tftp server here but all clients (both linux and win) get a timeout if they try to get a file that is in /srv/tftp, tftpd is running since ps aux gives "root 994 0.0 0.0 14988 924 ? Ss 18:46 0:00 /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --listen --user root --address :69 --secure /srv/tftp"
13:59<supaman>and when I try to get a file with tftp then I see several instances of tftpd show up, all being run as user tftp
14:00<supaman>sorry, that was before I changed the --user to root, it was tftp before, thats why the new instances of tftpd showed up running as user tftp
14:00<lindi->supaman: why did you change it to root?
14:00<supaman>changing the --user to root did not change anything so I will change it back
14:01<supaman>any idea of what is going on, why do all my connection time out?
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14:02<lindi->supaman: use tcpdump to capture traffic and then inspect it with wireshark
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14:03<lindi->supaman: something like "tcpdump -s 0 -w tftp.pcap port 69"
14:03<supaman>ok
14:03<lindi->supaman: then try to use the client and hit ctrl-c when everything should be done
14:04<lindi->supaman: then as normal user, use "wireshark -r tftp.pcap" to open the capture file
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14:14<EmleyMoor>Is there a good 4G USB dongle that emulates PPP?
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14:22<supaman>hummm, have a machine here with no X, trying to mount a usb pendrive but having no luck in doing so, it always mounts as read only even if I do "mount -t auto -o rw /dev/sdf1 /media/usb", even root can not write to the usb then, what is up with that?
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14:26<fx0>hi all
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14:29<lindi->supaman: dmesg?
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14:30<supaman>lindi-: ah, seems something is wrong with the drive get some $LogFile is not clean, Mounting read-only. Mount in Windows.
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14:37<supaman>lindi-: ok, I am looking at the tcpdump results now in wireshark, I see 8 packets with Info as "Read Request, File: hello.txt, Transfer type: netascii" but the 9th packet and last has "Error Code, Code: Not defined, Message: timeout on receive" .. not sure what to look for there
14:38<lindi->supaman: are all packets coming from the client?
14:38<supaman>yup, 192.168.168.3 is the computer that requested a tftp transfer, they are all comfing from that one
14:39<lindi->supaman: ok so it is possible that the server never sees the packets for some reason
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14:39<lindi->supaman: next I'd use strace to see what the server is doing
14:39<supaman>ok
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14:40<lindi->supaman: something like "strace -p $(pidof in.tftpd) -s 10000 -o tftpd.strace" and then try to connect to the server
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14:46<supaman>lindi-: this is the result: http://paste.debian.net/333992/
14:47<lindi->supaman: ah sorry, you need to use the "-f" option as well or you won't see information from the extra helper processes that it starts
14:47<supaman>ok
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14:47<lindi->supaman: but at least we see that tftpd is receiving the commands from the client
14:48<supaman>lindi-: yeah
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14:49<Somelauw>The command pm-suspend works, but after awakening, it enables beep.
14:50<Somelauw>It might do some other things, but this is most visible.
14:50<lindi->Somelauw: what beep?
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14:51<Somelauw>the beep for example when you press backspace at the beginning of a line
14:51<Somelauw>or when you press down while already at the bottom of a page in iceweasel
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14:52<lindi->Somelauw: ah, if you check "man pm-suspend" you see that it's not guaranteed to work with desktop stuff
14:52<Somelauw>lindi-: also irc notifications trigger it
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14:53<SynrG>Fortunately it has config hooks
14:53<SynrG>I'm sure you can solve it with one
14:53<supaman>lindi-: that gave this result: http://paste.debian.net/333994/
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14:53<lindi->Somelauw: it might for example put your sound driver to some special state and if you don't tell e.g. pulseaudio about this it might get confused
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14:54<Somelauw>I think pm-suspend should tell pulseaudio about it then
14:55<SynrG>Which it could with hooks is my point
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14:56<Somelauw>lindi-: Okay, where do I find these hooks?
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14:56<Somelauw>SynrG: ^^
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14:57<SynrG>/etc/pmsomething ... On my phone. Cumbersome to check
14:57<supaman>lindi-: I am looking at line 42 and 43 ... some socket there that fails to open
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14:59<lindi->supaman: you didn't post the updated file?
14:59<lindi->supaman: anyway, i'm away for some time now
14:59<supaman>lindi-: yes, http://paste.debian.net/333994/
15:00<supaman>lindi-: ok, thanks for the help anyway
15:00<lindi->supaman: 42 and 43 look normal
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15:01<canaima>facebook
15:01<lindi->supaman: I think you might need to setup /etc/hosts.allow
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15:02<lindi->supaman: or hmm, nope
15:02<supaman>lindi-: theres nothing in that one ...
15:02<hysteria>hello all
15:02<supaman>both hosts.allow and hosts.deny are empty, this is a fresh install
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15:02<lindi->supaman: read(6, "hello world\n", 4096) => so it's even able to read your file
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15:02<lindi->supaman: and it tries to send the reply too: sendto(4, "\0\3\0\1hello world\r\n", 17, 0, NULL, 0)
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15:03<lindi->supaman: maybe a firewall is blocking outgoing traffic for some reason? did you run tcpdump on client or server?
15:03<supaman>lindi-: on server
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15:03<supaman>lindi-: the same happens if I run tftp from the same computer (that is do a tftp localhost=
15:04<lindi->supaman: ok, tftpd seems to be working properly, I'd check firewall on the server, maybe it's blocking the output packets
15:04<lindi->supaman: odd
15:04<lindi->I hope somebody else has time to help, gotta go now ->
15:04<supaman>lindi-: iptables is not set up
15:04<supaman>lindi-: ok, thanks for the input
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15:06<supaman>hot damn ... tftp localhost -c get hello.txt works
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15:07<supaman>ok, then it is definitely some remote access issue
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15:24<r4fkramer_debian>Hi all
15:26<r4fkramer_debian>I have the following question: I needed to install Skype, but this application is not part of the official Debian Jessie repository; so I ended up installing it the official Skype site
15:27<r4fkramer_debian>I used the following parameters to install it, for it's an 1386 package, and my architecture here is amd64 for Debian Jessie 8.2 :
15:27<r4fkramer_debian>sudo dpkg -add-architecture i386
15:27<r4fkramer_debian>then, updated the system
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15:28<r4fkramer_debian>but, after I have downloaded the file, from skype website, and used the sudo dpkg -i skype-debian_4.3.0.37-1_i386.deb
15:28<r4fkramer_debian>there were errors, and installation could not continue
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15:29<r4fkramer_debian>I tried apt-get -f install and the installation was succesfully completed
15:29<towo`>you missed one part; apt -f install after the dpkg -i
15:29<r4fkramer_debian>now, skype runs ok here
15:29<r4fkramer_debian>apt-get -f install you want mean ?
15:30<Haricophile>why -f ?
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15:30<r4fkramer_debian>because installation couldn't go on
15:30<r4fkramer_debian>it has aborted, through the first try
15:30<r4fkramer_debian>only after I typed apt-get -f install, installation ended succesfully
15:30<Haricophile>what's the message ?
15:30<r4fkramer_debian>and skype is running ok here
15:31<r4fkramer_debian>errors found, dependencies problems
15:31<r4fkramer_debian>but, that's not the question
15:31<Haricophile>you install dependencies and it's ok
15:31<r4fkramer_debian>yes
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15:32<Haricophile>I do aptitude safe-upgrade and it's work, I don't know with apt-get
15:32<r4fkramer_debian>but, Haricophile, can I install packages which are absent in Debian repository ?
15:32<r4fkramer_debian>and, if the answer is: no, you are going to damage your system...
15:32<Haricophile>what package ?
15:32<r4fkramer_debian>so, it is not possible I have a Skype here ?
15:33<kenyon>you just installed skype which is absent from debian, so I think you can answer that yourself
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15:33<r4fkramer_debian>this one: skype-debian_4.3.0.37-1_i386.deb
15:33<blast007>you generally should not, of course
15:33<r4fkramer_debian>Hi blast007
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15:33<r4fkramer_debian>blast007, I use skype for my daily routine in job
15:33<Oebele>hi guys, I have trouble with a known bug that floods my logs. Before fixing it, I need to free some space on my hard drive. Is it sage to remove /var/log/daemon.log.1 ?
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15:34<blast007>Oebele: yes, that is safe
15:34<r4fkramer_debian>but I don't want to use windows 8.1 anymore, nor windows 10, I want to use Debian
15:34<Oebele>thanks blast007!
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15:34<r4fkramer_debian>in this case, it is impossible using skype in Debian ?
15:34<Haricophile>I install skype with dpkg -i skype.....deb && aptitude safe-upgrade
15:35<kenyon>r4fkramer_debian: you said you just installed it and it runs.
15:35<r4fkramer_debian>ok, Haricophile, so, you can install some apps in Debian that don't belong to official Debian repository ?
15:35<r4fkramer_debian>it is running fine, kenyon, but, that is not the question....
15:35<blast007>of course, but that is not recommended
15:35<kenyon>r4fkramer_debian: what is the question
15:36<r4fkramer_debian>my question is: can I use this procedure, whenever I don't find any app in the Debian repository ?
15:36<blast007>you should not
15:36<kenyon>r4fkramer_debian: no
15:36<Haricophile>skype is a big spyware, but you can install it
15:36<r4fkramer_debian>or, if I use it, I will damage my Debian ?
15:36<kenyon>r4fkramer_debian: that procedure was specific to skype.
15:36<r4fkramer_debian>ok blast007, I always apply here your suggestions
15:37<r4fkramer_debian>kenyon, the answer is: 1) sudo dpkg -add-architecture i386
15:37<r4fkramer_debian>then, apt-get update....
15:37<kenyon>r4fkramer_debian: what are you even talking about
15:38<r4fkramer_debian>2) sudo dpkg -i skype-debian_4.3.0.37-1_i386.deb
15:38<r4fkramer_debian>and, finally 3) apt-get -f install
15:38<kenyon>r4fkramer_debian: nobody asked you to repeat the procedure
15:38<r4fkramer_debian>oh, right, I see, sorry
15:38<r4fkramer_debian>you are right, I made a bit confusion here about your comment, forget it about
15:39<r4fkramer_debian>blast007, is there any application in debian repository, that can replace skype and has the same functions ?
15:39<kenyon>!skype
15:39<dpkg>Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its license. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype amd64> for community-contributed information. Consider using free and secure alternatives: <ekiga>, <empathy>, <jitsi>, <linphone>.
15:40<blast007>if you're needing to talk to other Skype users, probably not
15:40<r4fkramer_debian>oh, ekiga, empathy, jitsi and linphone !
15:41<blast007>if you can convince everyone you talk to to use free/libre alternatives, then yes :)
15:41<r4fkramer_debian>no blast007, I won't, you have convinced me enough
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15:41<r4fkramer_debian>I won't use skype anymore here
15:41<r4fkramer_debian>this Debian I am using here is for testing
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15:42<r4fkramer_debian>I will install other Debian Jessie 8.2 in my 1 TB hard disk
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15:42<r4fkramer_debian>it is better making mistakes now, and avoid mistakes and the other Debian Jessie Installation
15:43<r4fkramer_debian>installing ekiga here, and removing skype now
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15:47<lindi->r4fkramer_debian: ekiga unfortunately isn't very useful if your friends are using skype :/
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15:49<norlane>when i do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade i get msg: The following packages have been kept back:openjdk-7-jre openjdk-7-jre-headless should i remove these ?
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15:50<blast007>!bat
15:50<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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15:56<r4fkramer_debian>I'm back
15:56<r4fkramer_debian>Oh, Hi lindi, how are you ?
15:57<r4fkramer_debian>lindi, the bot provided me 4 options:ekiga, empathy, jitsi and linphone
15:57<r4fkramer_debian>ekiga won't be useful, ok
15:57<lostatwork>jitsi is really nice
15:57<r4fkramer_debian>and empathy, jitsi or linphone, do they communicate to skype application ?
15:57<r4fkramer_debian>Hi lostatwork !
15:58<r4fkramer_debian>does jitsi communicate to skype, lostatwork and lindi ?
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15:58<lostatwork>I don't think so but I cannot be sure about that maybe there is a plugin or bridge
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15:59<r4fkramer_debian>oh, I see
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15:59<r4fkramer_debian>do you know the other options: linphone and empathy ?
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16:00<r4fkramer_debian>so you know them, lostatwork ?
16:00<lindi->r4fkramer_debian: I think you misunderstood
16:00<r4fkramer_debian>where, lindi, please ?
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16:01<lindi->r4fkramer_debian: you can use skype network only with the official skype client. these alternatives use other protocols and can't communicate with skype users unfortunately
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16:01<r4fkramer_debian>now I understood you lindi
16:01<r4fkramer_debian>thanks a lot
16:02<r4fkramer_debian>but, the Best for My Debian Stability here is uninstall skype, and that's what I did
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16:02<lindi->r4fkramer_debian: yeah sure, I wouldn't use skype either
16:02<r4fkramer_debian>but, I'm not so sure it is going to be sufficient, for, as blast007 said me before, these apps can damage the system and its stability
16:03<bhishma>Hi, I've this line in sources.list (for mono, fshartp. etc)
16:03<bhishma>deb http://download.mono-project.com/repo/debian wheezy main
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16:03<r4fkramer_debian>It's being a bit difficult being a Loyal Debian User, but with your Suggestions and Help, I will can at the end
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16:03<bhishma>How to use apt-get to install all packages from the above repo (instead of Debian's default repo)
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16:04<abrotman>bhishma: it will automagically choose it if the version is newer
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16:05<bhishma>abrotman: Package: *
16:05<bhishma> Pin: origin "ftp.de.debian.org"
16:05<bhishma> Pin-Priority: 999
16:05<r4fkramer_debian>but, I'm afraid about iceweasel, it continues closing here without any reason
16:05<abrotman>bhishma: okay, what?
16:05<r4fkramer_debian>browser is open, but suddenly, it closes
16:05<bhishma>abrotman: sorry
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16:05<bhishma>fsharp:
16:05<bhishma> Installed: (none)
16:05<bhishma> Candidate: 4.0.0.3-0xamarin1
16:05<bhishma> Version table:
16:05<bhishma> 4.0.0.3-0xamarin1 0
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16:05<abrotman>...
16:06<lindi->r4fkramer_debian: if you want a reliable, secure and free software VOIP application I'd recommend taking a look at mumble. it is designed for gamers but it is useful also for one-to-one calling
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16:06<r4fkramer_debian>mumble ?
16:06<lindi->r4fkramer_debian: yeah, see the mumble package
16:06<r4fkramer_debian>ok, lindi, let me try it here
16:06<bhishma>abrotman: sorry again, https://paste.debian.net/334017/
16:07<r4fkramer_debian>installing mumble here, lindi
16:07<abrotman>bhishma: why are you using pinning?
16:07<bhishma>apt-get install fails with this: https://paste.debian.net/334018/
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16:08<bhishma>abrotman: because, I want to install packages from pinned repos, unless I choose otherwise. Now I want to choose the one with higher pin
16:08<abrotman>you probably don't need pinning at all
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16:10<r4fkramer_debian>testing my mumble here...
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16:14<norlane>exit
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16:16<r4fkramer_debian>well it's installed and configured here, my mumble, lindi, now, I will study about how it works...
16:16<r4fkramer_debian>quite different than pal talk or skype
16:16<r4fkramer_debian>but I will learn from it
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16:16<lindi->r4fkramer_debian: http://wiki.mumble.info/wiki/Main_Page might help
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16:18<r4fkramer_debian>oh, thanks a lot, lindi !
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16:19<bhishma>abrotman: ok, i removed pinning and its ok now
16:19<abrotman>Thought so
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16:21<r4fkramer_debian>lindi, I am experiencing problems with iceweasel, it closes suddenly, without reason
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16:22<r4fkramer_debian>is there any other browser I can use in Debian Jessie, and that belongs to official Debian Jessie repository ?
16:23<r4fkramer_debian>I have heard it is an old bug, not fixed yet
16:23<lindi->r4fkramer_debian: you had this discussion here a few days ago
16:23<lindi->r4fkramer_debian: right?
16:23<blast007>yes..
16:23<blast007>had you not installed chromium?
16:23<r4fkramer_debian>yes, right, but not fixed yet, for, now, I know it is not a good idea to have firefox installed here
16:23<r4fkramer_debian>yes, I have installed chromium
16:24<lindi->r4fkramer_debian: has the bug been reported somewhere?
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16:24<r4fkramer_debian>by the way, chromium belongs to official debian repository ?
16:24<blast007>yes
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16:24<r4fkramer_debian>sorry, I'm a bit tired, don't remember
16:24<r4fkramer_debian>oh, so ok ! thanks blast007 !
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16:25<r4fkramer_debian>I haven't made this research yet, lindi, but I found some comments about this problem in some linux forums
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16:27<r4fkramer_debian>I updated iceweasel, now it is on 42.0 version, but, unfortunately, the same problem has returned
16:27<r4fkramer_debian>it stayed some days without any problem
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16:31<r4fkramer_debian>i must go now, but I will do this research about iceweasel and tell you after, lindi
16:31<r4fkramer_debian>blast007, nice to see you again !
16:31<r4fkramer_debian>Bye !
16:32<r4fkramer_debian>Bye lindi, thanks for your Help !
16:32<r4fkramer_debian>Bye All !
16:32<r4fkramer_debian>Debian Warriors, Really Nice People !
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17:20<rysiek|pl>hi all
17:20<rysiek|pl>anybody ussing zabbix around here?
17:20<rysiek|pl>specifically, zabbix 2.4?
17:21<rysiek|pl>the package installation documentation here:
17:21<rysiek|pl>https://www.zabbix.com/documentation/2.4/manual/installation/install_from_packages
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17:21<rysiek|pl>tells me I should download zabbix via HTTP
17:21<rysiek|pl>and there is no verification provided, as far as I can see
17:22<rysiek|pl>so I was wondering if there is a better way to get zabbix 2.4 on a Debian jessie server
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17:27<fidjy>Hello!
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20:48<xjja>Why is 'mkpasswd' command part of 'whois' package? It should be in its own package.
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20:50<Brigo>xjja, no, it isn't. Check the manpage :)
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20:51<Brigo>xjja, better check /usr/share/doc/whois/README
20:52<sney>!mkpasswd
20:52<dpkg>methinks mkpasswd is in the "whois" package. Nobody knows why.
20:53<sney>``historical reasons''
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20:53<abrotman>judd: file mkpasswd
20:53<judd>Search for mkpasswd in jessie/amd64: expect: usr/bin/expect_mkpasswd; charybdis: usr/bin/charybdis-mkpasswd; whois: usr/bin/mkpasswd; ircd-irc2: usr/sbin/ircd-mkpasswd
20:54<xjja>Brigo: shows me it is part of whois
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20:55<Brigo>xjja, you just ask why few minutes ago, i cannot undestand your request. :)
20:56<xjja>what?
20:57<abrotman>xjja: is there a problem with it being in whois ?
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20:57<xjja>abrotman: yes. One would not expect it to be in that package.
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20:58<sney>I agree it's nonsensical
20:58<sney>maybe file a wishlist bug and see what shakes out
20:58<sney>or search the bts for an existing one
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21:02<xjja>I don't have permissions to install 'reportbug' and I can't be asked to report by email. I guess this one will go unreported...
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21:08<abrotman>i'm sure it's already reported
21:10<abrotman>xjja: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526761
21:10<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/526761 in whois (closed): «whois includes completely unrelated util named mkpasswd»; severity: normal; opened: 2009-05-03; last modified: 2009-06-01.
21:10<abrotman>xjja: note all the URLs it references
21:11<abrotman>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=76328
21:11<abrotman>what, only since 2000 it's been a problem ?
21:11<abrotman>why didn't judd expand that one?
21:11<abrotman>themill: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=76328
21:11<abrotman>hrm ..
21:11<abrotman>weird
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21:13<xjja>looks like no one cares
21:13<xjja>nowadays it's all about making new things, not fixing old things
21:17<abrotman>not sure it's actually broken
21:18<xjja>it is wrong
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21:20<abrotman>xjja: feel free to file a bug, or submit a patch
21:21<xjja>filing a bug on that would be an exercise in futility
21:22<abrotman>so submit a patch
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21:42<twb>wheezy-backports has a newer systemd, but jessie-backports doesn't. Is that likely to change?
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21:43<twb>I'm asking because systemd-networkd changed significantly in v216+ (e.g. not configuring DNS resolution by default anymore), which might make my life easier
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22:06<somiaj>twb: backports are up to the matainer, from my understanding. So it could be based on if the matainer deems it useful enough. A wishlist bug might be an okay place to request a backport (though I wonder if there is someplace better)
22:06<twb>okey dokey
22:07<twb>I'm not annoyed enough to want a backport just for this -- it's a super invasive change with huge headaches -- but if it was gonna happen anyway and was still in-progress, that'd be good t oknow
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22:53<ongke>hi
22:53<ongke>anybody?
22:53<twb>ongke: if you have a support question, just ask it
22:54<ongke>twb: r u bot
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23:10<debian915>hello
23:10<debian915>i have just booted up my old computer that has debian 8 installed that i have not used for months and ive forgotten my passwords
23:10<debian915>how can i get in to my user account
23:11<debian915>or how can i access my files on that computer that are on the user account
23:11<sney>!ifrp
23:11<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
23:11<sney>^ follow instructions to get root access, then reset other passwords from root account
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23:12<debian915>ok great thanks and i dont mean my other computer its actually this one but dual boot so i will have to turn this off, brb
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