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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-11-27

---Logopened Fri Nov 27 00:00:51 2015
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03:42<sakagamitomoyo>Tom821701066--
03:43<jm_>if that's your password consider changing it
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03:44<twb>rubbish password
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03:44<twb>"helm shuttlecocking foretaste redrafting soundlessly" is a good password
03:44<twb>http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/936:_Password_Strength
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05:04<srbaker>oy. i'm having some awful problems which i think ar erelated to my laptop being too new.
05:04<srbaker>It's a ThinkPad W550s, which is Broadwell-U or whatever.
05:04<twb>Do you wanna talk about it
05:05<srbaker>yes, i'd like some help figuring out the appropriate plcaes to put bug reports
05:05<srbaker>but i'm having a hard time getting enough information.
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05:06<srbaker>so first off, when i plug in a monitor with mini-DP, it doesn't work on a "training error"
05:06<srbaker>one sec, i'll grab a paste
05:06<srbaker>http://pastie.org/private/boxasqxo495ex9xnvl0rjw
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05:07<srbaker>http://markmail.org/message/njgrgxjcekvauwvq#query:+page:1+mid:njgrgxjcekvauwvq+state:results
05:07<srbaker>that looks similra to mine, but at the end, he claims that a software update (on ubuntu) fixed it.
05:07<srbaker>i'm on stretch. no fix
05:07<srbaker>and my versions of libdrm* are all newer than what they get in ubuntu
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05:08<twb>looking...
05:08<srbaker>so i also have a thinkpad dock. when i dock, external display works over HDMI
05:08<srbaker>then i undock, no problem.
05:08<twb>trippy
05:08<srbaker>but when i connect to the dock a second time, i get what i think is probably a "GPU hang"
05:08<twb>You are on jessie?
05:08<srbaker>mouse cursor works, no response from keyboard, and i have to manually power down
05:08<twb>There is xserver-xorg-video-intel in jessie-backports you could try
05:08<srbaker>i was, i upgraded to stretch yesterday, hoping newer video drivers would help.
05:08<twb>(random guess)
05:09<srbaker>i'm a bit further along than that. I had a thinkpad X250, which is also Broadwell.
05:09<srbaker>http://www.corsac.net/X250/
05:09<twb>I think this is beyond me
05:09<srbaker>damn.
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05:09<srbaker>i'm just back on Debian after a few years on a mac. i forget how to debug this shit :(
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05:10<srbaker>the real problem is that everything i try causes a hang, a hard reboot, and starting over. it's really disruptive
05:10<srbaker>anyways, off to try some more things
05:10<srbaker>thanks!
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05:15<twb>Relevant! https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/X250/Jessie
05:15<twb>They suggest exactly what I did tho...
05:15<twb>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel/jessie-backports
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05:42<jelly>srbaker: you'll probably also need the kernel from jessie-backports, too
05:42<jelly>dpkg, tell srbaker about bdo kernel
05:42<srbaker>jelly: i had it, same problem.
05:43<srbaker>and i'm on stretch now
05:43<twb>stretch questions go on #debian-next
05:43<srbaker>yeah, well in this case whether i'm stretch or jessie doesn't actually make a difference.
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05:46<SynrG>we're not going to toss you out, but it does help cut down on useless answers wbecause we assumed you were on jessie (like 'use bdo kernel')
05:46<SynrG>and tap into a broader pool of expertise with your release
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05:47<twb>More to the point: the only fix I can find documented is to install backport kernel + xorg driver.
05:47<twb>You've upgraded to stretch & it didn't work, but you haven't tested the documented fix
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05:47<srbaker>twb: i had that before upgrading to stretch, and didn't work
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05:47<twb>OK, sorry, that wasn't 100% clear to me
05:48<srbaker>SynrG: aye. i'm glad to know about #debian-next. i'm probably going to go back to jessie on the weekend anyhow.
05:48<SynrG>k.
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05:48<srbaker>i don't like running !stable. it makesme feel uncomfortable.
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05:49<srbaker>SynrG: so i'm getting paid to make debian packages. of course neo4j and the dependencies, but i'm also getting 20% time to spend on debian and free software related things
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05:49<kostas>does anyone have experience with thin clients? I have an Intel I3 with 8GB Ram, 128 GB sdd and two Gbit ethernet cards! Can this setup support four thin clients at home? Thin clients will run office softwtare, web browers, video playback 720p and no games, just snes/mame/sega mega drive emulation... no video editing, no resource hungry software! is this a viable solution? any experience on performance?
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05:50<SynrG>srbaker: nice (but should be on #debian-offtopic :)
05:50<srbaker>yikes, you're right.
05:50<twb>kostas: what kind of thin client?
05:50<SynrG>srbaker: re. Broadwell-U. maybe #debian-x?
05:50<SynrG>srbaker: i'd think they'd be interested that you have a test platform. maybe you can help somehow
05:50<srbaker>SynrG: i will check there, but i suspect it's kernel related.
05:51<srbaker>oh good, i'll check there.
05:51<srbaker>#debian-x
05:51<srbaker>whoops
05:51<twb>kostas: are they X terminals, or "real" computers?
05:51<SynrG>well, they should know about both halves
05:51<kostas>the thin client will be on debian stretch and the thin clients just Rasperberry Pi's or Pentium 4 machines!
05:51<kostas>real computers
05:51<twb>OK so real computers, but with 256MB to 1GB RAM?
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05:52<twb>Are you planning to use LTSP? What are the clients going to be running? How much of the environment will run locally on the clients (e.g. nothing, window manager, all apps)
05:52<kostas>yes, real computers with 1GB-2GB maxed out! no hdd's, maybe dvd-roms! all apps will run on the thin client server, I'll opt for LTSP
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05:54<twb>I PXE boot "trim™" clients, loading Debian Live off a read-only NFS share. The clients are Atom D3xx or H81 and have 1GB to 2GB RAM. All apps run locally on the desktops. I think we recommend up to about 200 off a single server with a 1000baseT backbone and at least 100baseT on the edge switches.
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05:55<twb>I'd have to dig out my notes, but they load about 150MB (of a 300MB to 2GB rootfs.squashfs) at boot time. Probably double that if you want to bring up a GUI browser straightaway.
05:55<kostas>my thin clients won't handle that... I have just Pentium 4's and Pi B+
05:55<twb>Since you want a mix of IA32 and ARM32 v6 you're gonna have to make separate images, which sucks
05:55<twb>kostas: I sorta doubt a P4 is much worse than an Atom D3xx
05:55<SynrG>your use of an HTML entity instead of UTF8 caused me a full 20s delay in parsing your sentence :p
05:56<SynrG>just saying ;)
05:56<twb>SynrG: I couldn't be arsed switching from TeX to SGML input method, sorry
05:56<kostas>I know, if that doesn't work straight away, I'll get myself a couple P4s and to avoid mixing platforms
05:56<twb>and I don't know how to type it in TeX IM
05:57<twb>kostas: if you are going to run the apps on the app server (instead of just loading the rootfs from there), you should consider NX
05:57<SynrG>"trim&tradewtf?ohheendeditwithasemicolonaha!htmlentitytrademarksymbolOK!"
05:57<twb>How does RPi compare to a tegra2?
05:58<kostas>twb: does it support sound? don't know about the tegra2 sorry
05:58<twb>I ran debian locally on one of those for a couple years, off eMMC which won't be any slower than 100baseT
05:58<twb>*any faster
05:58<twb>kostas: in my case, the sound Just Works because everything runs locally :-)
05:58<twb>For traditional LTSP, I suppose they do something horrible using pulseaudio
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05:59<kostas>twb: clearly :-( unfortunately I have to live with pulseaudio
05:59<twb>I'm pretty sure xrdp can't do sound
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06:01<SynrG>twb: googling comparisons, the RPi GPU is allegedly much better than Tegra2
06:02<SynrG>and that's mostly what you care about for thin-client, isn't it?
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06:02<twb>Yeah well, I didn't have a native driver for it anyways :P
06:02<twb>SynrG: depends if you're following my argument about just running apps locally
06:03<twb>*actual* thin clients are mostly useful when your terminals only have like 8MB of RAM
06:03<SynrG>"capable of running Quake III, capable of playing 1080p video ..."
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06:03<SynrG>ah
06:03<twb>Although if you try to get stupid and run a zillion chromium tabs, it'll fall down
06:03<SynrG>yeah
06:04<kostas>yep!!!
06:04<kostas>so it's trial and error? :-)
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06:04<twb>Shrug
06:04<twb>#ltsp on freenode might have numbers for true thin clients
06:05<twb>I've never hit a limit but $boss won't let me serve more than about 250 desktops from one server
06:05<kostas>ok, I'll post my question there... thank you! I appreciate your insights
06:06<twb>kostas: http://prisonpc.com/ if you want to actually hire me or something
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06:06<kostas>twb: ok, I'll keep that in mind!
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06:55<jelly>twb: going to have to mine your mind one day about getting rid of video reproduction w/o tearing on video-intel... but no hiring $$$ I'm afraid
06:55<jelly>getting rid of tearing. Not getting rid of video
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06:57<blu>hi guys. I'm running some servers on aws. I'm experiencing random failures of those servers, with nothing in the logfiles for the point in time of failure. whats a good way to find out if it was a kernel panic or sth?
06:58<twb>blu: check dmesg & journal?
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06:58<twb>if systemd is too sick to even write to the journal, sometimes it will manage to write to the kernel log ring (which dmesg shows)
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06:58<jm_>and if it's real hardware keyboard leds should blink (at least on i386/amd64)
06:59<blu>I had to force off and start the machine again - they are not pingable and all i/o on the disks just stops - they are ec2 instances with amazon
06:59<blu>twb, how do I check the journal?
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07:02<twb>journalctl
07:02<twb>jm_: I've never seen that
07:02<twb>jm_: does pid1 ask the kernel to do that, or are you talking abuot a koops?
07:03<jm_>twb: kernel oops
07:03<twb>Ah, fair enough
07:03<twb>I've killed the systemd mostly in ways that the kernel didn't mind, but systemd couldn't recover from
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07:08<jelly>blu: those machines are xen under the hood, aren't they? Don't they have some sort of serial-like console? hvc0?
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07:10<blu>jelly, /dev/hvc0? If so, no
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07:15<jelly>yes. meh.
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07:27<twb>who made the SOE that you're running?
07:27<twb>Did it come first-party from amazon, or hwat
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07:31<bernd>What i a "SOE"?
07:31<bernd>is
07:32<twb>standard operating environment
07:33<twb>"image" is another common term, but even vaguer :p
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07:35<bernd>Thank you. I use Windows, because it is easy to use.
07:36<twb>bernd: ah, sorry, I was specifically asking blu, in relation to a support question he asked
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07:37<bernd>twb: Okay, no problem.
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07:50<walter1227>I am having a very odd audio issue and I don't know where to start with resolving it. When I go into settings and hit "test speakers" it will play audio back that sounds fine, but YouTube videos and mp3 files sound... blurry. The sound will start a few seconds late, and then it sort of just sounds like someone talking underwater or something. The sound is completely incoherent. This happens in Iceweasel, Firefox, and downloaded mp3's (just to
07:50<walter1227>make sure it wasn't a browser issue). Any help is appreciated.
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07:54<twb>walter1227: "mp3 files" are being played how?
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07:54<twb>walter1227: youtube videos are HTML5, or flash?
07:54<walter1227>YouTube was HTML5, I think I used VLC for the mp3s
07:54<twb>Try playing a test MP3 using mpg123 or mpg321.
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07:55<walter1227>Also video games are giving no sound
07:55<twb>Try using alsa (or pulseaudio) explicitly.
07:55<kostas>select no amplifier on your sound settings
07:55<twb>Check mixer levels, and check for weird mixer settings, e.g. I have seen mixers with options like "mix left channel into right channel with fade"
07:56<twb>I have also seen weirdness when the sound card shared an IRQ with something important and bursty, like the HDD. irqbalance, I guess?...
07:56<walter1227>twb, is there any way to restore the audio mixer settings to default settings? I already messed with it a bunch.
07:57<twb>walter1227: yes!
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07:57<twb>assuming no pulseaudio, it's something like "alsamixer init -c 0" I think --- it's in /lib/udev/rules/ somewhere
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07:58<walter1227>alright im gonna do that
07:58<twb>It took me about two days to understand the various ways alsa initializes / saves / restores the mixer levels :///
07:58<twb>This is what I have: http://sprunge.us/jSGX
07:59<twb>The super confusing /sys errors don't actually indicate that it failed
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07:59<walter1227>Card: PulseAudio
08:00<walter1227>Chip: PulseAudio
08:00<walter1227>I think I have pulse audio
08:02<twb>I can't support PA, sorry
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08:03<walter1227>well can I link you to my forum post? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=125903
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08:03<walter1227>Iceweasel is showing errors idk if that has anything to do with the audio problem
08:05<twb>walter1227: reinstall rarely helps with such issues
08:05<walter1227>Is it possible I need to install the drivers for my motherboard?
08:05<twb>In general, no. Almost all drives are part of the "mainline kernel", meaning they're always there
08:05<walter1227>I thought it might, especially since I have never had this issue with any other Linux distro or windows
08:05<twb>Either it works out of the box, or you try installing a newer linux kernel (e.g. from jessie-backports), or you're screwed.
08:06<twb>The main except is e.g. Intel wifi or Nvidia/ATI graphics.
08:07<twb>I'm a massive anti-pulseaudio bigot, so I suggest you try removing it ;-)
08:07<walter1227>would that help with situation?
08:07<walter1227>I mean, what do I do?
08:07<twb>It depends where the problem is
08:08<twb>If the problem is "pulseaudio got confused", removing it will help
08:08<twb>Did you try this yet? 23:54 <twb> Try playing a test MP3 using mpg123 or mpg321.
08:08<walter1227>ill try it
08:08<walter1227>can i get that program in the package manager?
08:08<twb>yes
08:08<walter1227>alright
08:08<walter1227>\
08:09<twb>#debian will rarely recommend things that aren't already part of Debian :-)
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08:16<walter1227>twb: http://pastebin.com/pBrTi9ZG
08:17<walter1227>That was my mpg123 test run, doesnt seem to say anything helpful
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08:17<jm_>it's about you listening to the sound, do you get the same issues with it?
08:18<walter1227>What do you mean? I typed in the command, that popped up, and then process ended. There was no sound
08:18<twb>walter1227: did noises come out?
08:18<twb>OK, no sound.
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08:18<jm_>you mean you waited 7 minutes without sound?
08:19<jm_>crap, need to go
08:19<walter1227>ok
08:19<twb>walter1227: does aplay on a .wav make sound?
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08:19<twb>Have you checked mixer levels yet? Check both in pavucontrol and in alsamixer -c1 (which hopefully will select your real, non-PA, card).
08:20<walter1227>the process ended right away and it went back to the terminal and lets me type in commands, i assumed it was done, but it is still open and there is still no sound
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08:20<twb>walter1227: aplay ended right away?
08:20<SynrG>if you did that init thing, it would reset the levels, right?
08:20<walter1227>mpg123 ended right away
08:20<twb>SynrG: n/restore will, yes
08:21<twb>walter1227: that's... weird.
08:21<jaccob>my motherboard can't handle sound, or maybe my power adapter isn't supplying enough
08:21<twb>I still blame pulseaudio
08:21<jaccob>so no sound
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08:21<jaccob>and sometimes my usb craps out and I have to restart
08:21<SynrG>i fear we're chasing tributary issues
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08:21<twb>jaccob: that seems like a weird diagnosis
08:21<twb>jaccob: surely the kernel will tell you if the PSU isn't supplying enough juice
08:21<jaccob>twb, its an old laptop and I am using a universal power adapter
08:22<twb>Ah
08:22<twb>Then all bets are off :P
08:22<SynrG>yep. how far off spec is it from the vendor's PSU?
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08:23<SynrG>i doubt if we can find a software solution to this
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08:23<jaccob>not sure, you'd think volts are volts, but maybe I am wrong and I have a pulse audio or some other software related issue
08:23<jaccob>but sometimes the sound works
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08:25<twb>that's probably jsut burst draw because of power saving everywhere
08:25<twb>e.g. when the CPU is thinking it draws an extra 10W
08:26<walter1227>ok, aplay on a wav is giving me nothing. Im getting pissed. This is absurd
08:26<walter1227>If I leave it up, will it give me a helpful error message?
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08:32<twb>walter1227: try aplay -c1
08:32<twb>walter1227: also please pastebin /proc/asound/cards
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08:32<twb>Sorry, not -c1, it's...
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08:34<walter1227>twb: /proc/asound/cards is completely blank
08:34<twb>Ugh. Something horrible liek aplay --device=dmix:CARD=PCH,DEV=0
08:34<twb>walter1227: that means you have no sound cards at all
08:34<twb>walter1227: so how did ANY sound ever come out?
08:34<twb>Your lspci says you have a sound card
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08:35<twb>walter1227: can you purge pulseaudio and restart, so we can be sure that's not a contibuting factor?
08:35<walter1227>I know, but /proc/asound/cards is completely empty lol
08:35<twb>walter1227: you can install it later if you care
08:35<walter1227>yeah sure
08:35<walter1227>how do i do that?
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08:36<twb>Probably something like "apt-get purge pulseaudio", but it might have several packages
08:36<twb>aptitude search ~i~npulse
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08:36<walter1227>Are you sure thats a good idea? Im afraid it will remove a bunch of stuff i need
08:36<twb>If we don't remember libpulse1 it should be OK
08:36<twb>And it'll warn you before removing anything else
08:37<walter1227>ok
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08:38<walter1227>alright, done
08:38<walter1227>i need to restart the computer now?
08:38<twb>Probably not, but I'd do it anyway just to make sure
08:39<walter1227>ok
08:39<walter1227>brb
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08:40<twb>walter1227: OK now do all the tests again :-)
08:40<twb>Let's start by checking /proc/asound/cards
08:40<walter1227>twb: No need. Sound works fine
08:40<walter1227>LOL
08:40<walter1227>SCREW PULSE AUDIO HAHAHAHA
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08:41<twb>J'accuse!
08:41<walter1227>thank-you
08:41<twb>walter1227: come back if it breaks again
08:41<twb>It might be a heisenbug and we just got lucky
08:41<walter1227>alright. thanks for the help.
08:41<twb>(e.g. it occurred to me the card might not be seated properly)
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09:27<egggs>hello all, need some advise on going to debian from ubuntu, i dont quite get the stable testing sid, difference.
09:28<twb>!stable
09:28<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.2); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable
09:29<abrotman>egggs: what don't you understand about it?
09:29<twb>Good question
09:30<twb>I tell people that debian's release policy is "when it's ready", so by contrast ubuntu's policy is "when it's not ready"
09:31<abrotman>I don't think that answers his questoins
09:31<egggs>if i decide to try testing or sid can u go back to stable
09:31<egggs>or just reinstall
09:32<abrotman>egggs: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html
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09:32<abrotman>egggs: no, you cannot, downgrades are not supported (in any distro I'm aware of)
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09:32<egggs>thanks for the answers guys
09:33<shome>How is everyone doing today ?
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09:34<egggs>im trying to dl debian live xfce non free iso , but its failing
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09:34<egggs>im good shome, still full from turkey day myself
09:35<shome>egggs: Where are you downloading from ?
09:35<egggs>cd image debian org
09:35<psam>Hi everyone m new on debian. Whats the first thing to do
09:35<shome>The download itself keeps failing ?
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09:35<abrotman>egggs: use the regeular netinst
09:36<abrotman>regular even
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09:36<shome>^
09:36<egggs>i want to live cd it 1st , my amd gpu is picky as poop on the vid card
09:36<egggs>ubuntu wont install but xubuntu will kinda thing
09:36<shome>Do you guys usually use netinst ? I notice the dl is in different parts, but I would assume this would be the most helpful without any network connectivity initially.
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09:36<egggs>with video i mean
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09:37<egggs>i think net install depends on your internet access and speed
09:37<abrotman>shome: I use the netinst always
09:38<egggs>net install will be less updates after install
09:38<shome>I like the netinst myself.
09:38<levinster>netinst is the way to go
09:38<abrotman>Correct, you download less at first, then download only what oyu need
09:39<abrotman>if you have 100 offline systems toinstall, a full DVD might make more sense (or setup an apt proxy if that's an option)
09:39<egggs>does anyone use steam and crossover on debian
09:40<twb>Probably at least one person does
09:40<SynrG>egggs: failing how? do you have the unofficial lxde live image with non-free drivers?
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09:40<shome>egggs: I know a few people at work who use steam on debian
09:40<SynrG>egggs: also, how new is your card? if it is nvidia 9xx, it will probably fail even with the non-free drivers.
09:40<levinster>steam works well with debian but you are limited many games are not supported
09:41<SynrG>egggs: i use steam, but not crossover. i just use wine as needed.
09:41<egggs>its amd gpu 4-5 years old nothing new i got too many kids lol
09:41<SynrG>egggs: in fact, i also use steam on wine for some things. but #steamlug @ irc.freenode.net is better for help with that
09:42<warhead>egggs, I using Steam but don't use crossover or wine (for win games I have dual-boot), but I have lot games on Linux ready for play in native mode.
09:42<SynrG>egggs: ok. so i don't see that you'd have issues with that ...
09:42<SynrG>egggs: not even with the free drivers
09:42<abrotman>Wait til they port MSOffice to Steam :)
09:42<egggs>i am afraid to say this , crossover does the office thing .... but crossover isnt free
09:42<levinster>haha
09:42<twb>I'm surprised it's not all web-based by now
09:43<SynrG>office? why not libreoffice?
09:43<SynrG>when i have to exchange docs with my MSOffice using colleagues, libreoffice works fine for me
09:43<egggs>im game with all free stuff , but i think office for work kind of thing
09:44<egggs>and just because u can heheh to poop with microshaft
09:44<SynrG>egggs: for the amd gpu, i haven't tested the non-free images on those ... sorry :/
09:44<levinster>unfortunately msoffice has some proprietary formatting that libreoffice doesn't like
09:44<levinster>its so annoying because libreoffice is so good
09:44<twb>It depends how complex the .docx files you edit are.
09:45<warhead>egggs, try wps office, looks like ms office & its free
09:45<SynrG>egggs: which specific GPU?
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09:46<egggs>whats the comand to show it
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09:46<SynrG>lspci -nn | grep -i vga
09:46<egggs>i have a horrible memory for command line
09:46<SynrG>i think
09:46<SynrG>e.g.
09:47<SynrG>02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV710 [Radeon HD 4350/4550] [1002:954f]
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09:47<SynrG>that's not a system i can use for testing images, though :(
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09:47<egggs>00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] BeaverCreek [Radeon HD 6620G] [1002:9641]
09:47<egggs>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Whistler [Radeon HD 6630M/6650M/6750M/7670M/7690M] [1002:6741]
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09:48<SynrG>dual?
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09:48<egggs>yeah :( dual gpu built in thing
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09:48<SynrG>can you disable one?
09:49<SynrG>it will make it simpler to see if it's related to having two or not
09:49<SynrG>it may be that the GPU autoconfiguration falls down in this scenario
09:49<egggs>the amd drivers use both,
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09:49<SynrG>if you can prove that's the issue, i'll help you file a bug.
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09:50<SynrG>yeah, but the live scripts might be doing something wonky
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09:50<egggs>oh i havent even got the cd to dl
09:50<SynrG>oh! i thought you had downloaded it and was having problems booting it
09:50<egggs>i was just saying i tried to dl the live to test it before i do net install
09:50<egggs>sorry about that
09:51<SynrG>what went wrong?
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09:51<SynrG>or are you just still waiting?
09:51<psam>pls how do i get the network connecting icon to remain on the top bar in debian 8.2.0
09:51<egggs>just wont start but i have turbo dl thing in my broswer
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09:52<SynrG>egggs: ahh. then don't use that? :)
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09:53<egggs>yeah threw it in firefox its dling now
09:53<SynrG>excellent
09:53<psam>pls how do i get the network connecting icon to remain on the top bar in debian 8.2.0
09:53<egggs>your guys rock, i normally dont get this much help in any irc channel
09:53<SynrG>i'd be happy to hear how it went, as i only know the most basic use cases work
09:53<egggs>you guys*
09:54<SynrG>(e.g. i know that at least *some* AMD card, not sure which one, boots fine)
09:54<SynrG>and dual GPU is certainly an "interesting" use case
09:54<SynrG>well, you lucked out. i'm on the Live and CD teams :)
09:54<SynrG>so i have a special interest in your results
09:55<egggs>it was cheap and strong vid card for the money, didnt think i would be doing linux but i love it just kinda bad at command line stuff
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09:56<SynrG>yeah
09:56<egggs>can i private ya a sec synrg ?
09:57<SynrG>if it's related to your support request, keep it in channel
09:57<levinster>anybody have any recent experience with using touchscreens with Jessie? the wiki is a few years old was curious if any progress has been made.
09:57<egggs>was gonna throw you my email and could keep ya updated about it, no worries
09:58<SynrG>egggs: nah. in channel is best
09:58<SynrG>bigger pool of help, higher availability
09:58<egggs>sounds good :)
09:58<SynrG>and i know how to read the backlog (am here 24/7 :)
09:58<SynrG>just nick-highlight me
09:59<egggs>i dont even know what server im on, just defaulted here hehe
09:59<SynrG>irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org)
09:59<SynrG>it's where all official debian channels are
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10:00<egggs>ill be back for sure
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10:19<Xz>heallo
10:19<Xz>hallo
10:19<Xz>help
10:19<Xz>please
10:19<Xz>hallo
10:19<Xz>ich bin Deutsch !
10:19<Xz>Wer ist Deutsch ?
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10:20<Xz>please
10:20<abrotman>!de
10:20<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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10:30<atawho>beyler türk var mı la
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11:22<egggs>SynrG , no go on the live cd , booted to 1st debian screen and nothing else, fail safe didnt even try
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11:30<SynrG>egggs: intresting. so that was the lxde non-free live image?
11:30<SynrG>egggs: how did you image it to the media?
11:30<SynrG>egggs: that might be as much an issue with your imaging method as anything else.
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11:31<egggs>xfce non free 8.2 64 bit
11:32<egggs>i am doing 32 bit on my netbook and it loaded great,
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11:33<egggs>with most live cd stuff ive tried i did the no radeon modest option and it would boot
11:34<egggs>i used multi system program to put to usb and everything i have used on it boots with that setup
11:35<egggs>but its just vdeo settings i am sure
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11:38<egggs>i will try again after install on netbook
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11:40<SynrG>i don't know what 'multi system' is
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11:41<SynrG>what is the OS you're mastering the USB from?
11:41<SynrG>!usb install
11:41<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>.
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11:41<SynrG>egggs: the debian-installer is finicky about being transported into other boot environments. if you use fancy tools to do it, it usually breaks.
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11:42<egggs>1 usb stick can boot 20 different live systems, i normally use unetbootin on xubuntu 64 bit 14.04
11:42<SynrG>!unetbootin
11:42<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
11:42<SynrG>that one in particular is horrible.
11:42<SynrG>use the methods from the usb install dpkg factoid above
11:43<SynrG>your failure is almost certainly due to the tool you have chosen.
11:43<egggs>awesome
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11:44<egggs>ill try it that way thanks again boss
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11:45<SynrG>yep. np
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11:56<egggs>SynrG would be easier to jsut burn it to dvd ?
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12:00<SynrG>egggs: there's nothing particularly hard about cp imagename /dev/sdc (assuming that's your drive ... verify!)
12:00<SynrG>and then sync afterwards just to make sure
12:00<SynrG>note, you copy to the whole device, not a partition, and it wipes the entire USB
12:01<SynrG>if you don't have a spare one to do that with, by all means, burn a DVD
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12:05<awal>I have 2 or 3 dependencies issues here, related with python and other libs (don't remember the names), upgrading with apt. so I used aptitude and accepted it's solutions. I upgraded successfully but at the end aptitude said that 2 packs are broken. I don't find those packs using "aptitude search ~c" command. Any other suggestion?
12:05<SynrG>!bat
12:05<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
12:05<SynrG>awal: also, if you're on testing or unstable, see #debian-next
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12:05<SynrG>but we'll need the same info over there.
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12:06<awal>SynrG: oh, right, sid here
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13:07<SC00B13>F**k all
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13:08<rev>well that was enlightening
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14:10<ceibal>hola!!!
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15:33<toogley>hello. i want to install debian on a banana pi using that method https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner#Installing_from_an_SD_card_image
15:34<toogley>ehm. sec o.O
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15:46<SynrG>toogley: and?
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15:47<SynrG>toogley: please note it's a pair of images.
15:47<toogley>SynrG: ehm, im struggeling with the installation, it won't even boot. but i have a banana pro not a pi.
15:47<toogley>SynrG: do you mean firmware + partition?
15:47<SynrG>yes
15:47<SynrG>and did you see there are both bananapi and bananpro images?
15:48<toogley>SynrG: yes. but again sec. i think i've forgotton the ">"...
15:48<SynrG>k. yes, that's essential :)
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15:49<toogley>SynrG: sorry. i make those little easy errors all the time -.- ^^
15:50<SynrG>heh
15:50<SynrG>when typing commands that walk on entire devices, you want to be more careful than that!
15:51<toogley>hm. the command results in "zsh: permission denied: /dev/sde"
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15:52<SynrG>you haven't been granted permission to it, i guess. in some environments, you would be able to write to it as a user
15:52<toogley>i
15:52<toogley>i used sudo
15:52<PovAddict>doesn't matter
15:52<SynrG>you only think you did
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15:52<SynrG>the shell you ran sudo in handles the redirection
15:52<PovAddict>if you do "sudo cat foo > bar" then sudo will only affect the 'cat foo' command
15:52<SynrG>that's your user
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15:52*cat foo
15:52<PovAddict>cat: meow
15:52<cat>nya
15:53<toogley>ah. works. i didn't knew that
15:53<toogley>thanks
15:53<cat>yeah, you would have to do something like sudo sh -c 'cat foo > bar'
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15:56<SynrG>cat: i guess you get all the cat questions
15:56<cat>hehe
15:57<cat>efnet #politics talks too much about cats
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15:57<SynrG>herding?
15:57<cat>is that the only way to handle sudo redirection?
15:57<cat>haha idk they just talk about their own cats
15:57<SynrG>um, there are many ways to skin that ...
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15:57<SynrG>uh, never mind
15:58<cat>doesnt have much to do with politics
15:58<cat>LOL
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15:59<SynrG>cat: echo 'cat foo > bar' | sudo sh
15:59<cat>ah
16:00<PovAddict>"cat foo | sudo tee bar > /dev/null"? :)
16:00<cat>nice
16:00<SynrG>twisted
16:00<cat>wait
16:00<cat>sudo cp foo bar
16:00<cat>:p
16:01<SynrG>well, gratuitous use of cat aside, yes
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16:01<SynrG>the job was to concatentate *two* images
16:01<cat>ohh
16:01<cat>cat foo bar | sudo tee baz > /dev/null
16:01<cat>:p
16:02<toogley>hm, although the partitions were successfully written onto the sdcard it still doesn't boot.
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16:02<SynrG>toogley: did you sync before removing the card and inserting into the bananapro?
16:02<SynrG>if you pull it two quickly, all blocks may not have yet been flushed
16:02<SynrG>too*
16:03<toogley>SynrG: no, i'll retry with that again
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16:08<toogley>SynrG: it doesn't change anything. what could be another error source?
16:08<SynrG>hm. not my area of expertise :/
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16:14<toogley>SynrG: never mind
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16:30<SynrG>toogley: i mean, i don't know your particular hardware. did you read this part on the page? "With jessie, the above installation methods require a serial cable to interact with the installer."
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16:31<SynrG>oh wait, and then it goes on to explain some magic to make it work a different way ...
16:31<SynrG>did you do that?
16:31<toogley>i think so
16:31<SynrG>doing those four commands from the u-boot prompt
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16:31<toogley>i mean. the files i've downloaded are from strech, so
16:32<toogley>i haven't even seen a u boot prompt
16:32<SynrG>ahh
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16:34<SynrG>toogley: it cautioned you can only make it work in the slot on the device, not a usb card reader ...
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16:34<SynrG>toogley: so you're using hdmi output with the stretch image?
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16:37<toogley>SynrG: yes, but i thought that would just be valid for mounting that device, not writing directly onto it.
16:37<toogley>and yes, i use the stretch image with hdmi
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16:38<toogley>and im downloading the banana offical arch to test the minimal functionality
16:38<SynrG>so the card is inserted into the slot on the bananapro?
16:38<toogley>yes
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16:43<SynrG>toogley: there is #debian-arm. maybe they can help
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16:44<toogley>SynrG: ah, right. i forgot that. thanks!
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17:54<JDC>hello
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17:56<JDC>how join the french chat
17:57<somiaj>!fr
17:57<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
17:57<JDC>ty
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18:26<walter1227>Hey, I was here earlier and someone gave me a fix that worked temporarily, but it seems the issue is back... basically the sound on my computer isn't working. Sometimes it sounds like someone is talking underwater and the sound is all messed up, sometimes there is no sound at all. Please help, I really don't know what to do.
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18:28<somiaj>What was the fix you were given?
18:29<walter1227>Uninstalling pulseaudio and then rebooting. I suspect it was the reboot that did it
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18:32<somiaj>walter1227: so you completely uninstalled pulseaudio (not just stoped it from running)?
18:33<walter1227>yes
18:33<somiaj>do you have more than one sound card?
18:33<somiaj>walter1227: cat /proc/asound/cards
18:33<cat>ye
18:34<walter1227> 0 [PCH ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
18:34<walter1227> HDA Intel PCH at 0xf7f10000 irq 46
18:34<walter1227> 1 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI
18:34<walter1227> HDA ATI HDMI at 0xf7e60000 irq 47
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18:35<walter1227>http://paste.debian.net/plain/337775
18:35<walter1227>sorry accidentally pasted the wrong way, got kicked\
18:36<somiaj>!alsa checklist
18:36<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
18:37<somiaj>walter1227: hmm, I'm not really sure what is going on. Pulseaudio didn't get pulled back in by some other package did it? So the fix was pulseaudio wasn't working, and removing it and only using alsa worked until you rebooted?
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18:40<walter1227>somiaj: No, it worked after i rebooted, and then it stopped working again
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18:42<walter1227>But yes, it did seem removing pulseaudio was the fix. I checked and I do not have pulseaudio, and the audio on my computer isn't working.
18:42<somiaj>When did it stop working, after running for some time, or after another reboot?
18:42<walter1227>After running for some time
18:44<somiaj>and you say the symptoms are it sounds quite/faded?
18:45<somiaj>does wiggling the spearker cord cause any changes? Could it be something is going wrong with the hardware (isn't uncommon for those connenctions to go bad)
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18:47<walter1227>somiaj: That isnt it, I tried several headphones and both audio ports give me this problem, including the one that's directly attached to the motherboard
18:47<walter1227>I would surprised if it was a hardware issue, especially because this started happening right after I installed Debian. A fresh install did not fix it.
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18:49<somiaj>check dmesg for errors.
18:50<somiaj>It just seems werid that it would just stop working unless you did something (unless it was hardware related)
18:50<somiaj>Also those intel onboard sound cards sometimes need their model= set correctly to work better, there is a bit of varity in how those chipsets are used.
18:51<somiaj>what is the output of cat /proc/asound/card0/codec* | grep Codec
18:51<cat>the output is meow codecc
18:53<walter1227>Codec: Realtek ALC887-VD
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18:56<somiaj>walter1227: http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-kernel.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt;hb=HEAD
18:57<somiaj>walter1227: search that for ALC88x, those are some various model's for that codec that may help. I don't see anything obvious.
18:57<walter1227>I don't understand, what is this I am looking at?
18:59<somiaj>There is some variation, sometimes changing the model= option for the sound driver (snd-hda-intel) can help with sound issues.
19:00<somiaj>I don't nkow if that is the culprit in this case. Still seems odd to me it goes from working to not working by iteslf. I would check at things you did during the time it worked until the time it didn't. Looking for hardware errors can help to
19:04<walter1227>And where would the model= option be? In what file? Sorry im new to linux'
19:04<somiaj>walter1227: you can put it in a file in /etc/modprobe.d/
19:04<somiaj>walter1227: just make a new file, callit it audio_fix.conf (or whatever you like), then put model=foo in that line, then unload/reload the sound module (or reboot)
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19:08<walter1227>and would I put model=Realtek ALC887-VD
19:09<walter1227>I found ALC88x but I don't really know what to put in the config file
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19:11<somiaj>walter1227: there is a list of models, the two to me that seem they may help are model=inv-dmic or maybe model=no-primary-hp (unsure what the VAIO workaround is), but those both seem like workarounds for that codec.
19:11<somiaj>walter1227: after that just modprobe -r snd-hda-intel then modprobe snd-hda-intel
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19:11<somiaj>that should reload the module, and you can check the end of the dmesg output to see what kernel messages you got from that
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19:13<somiaj>walter1227: the others seems specific to Acer Aspire hardware, nto sure if you have that or not
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19:14<somiaj>walter1227: also not sure if this will help, but sometimes the default settings don't work with all sound cards and there are various workarounds
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19:15<walter1227>somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/plain/337806
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19:16<somiaj>walter1227: oh sorry my mistake, you need to put the module in quesiton. 'snd-hda-intel model=foo'
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19:17<walter1227>and what would i put in place of foo?
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19:17<walter1227>inv-dmic?
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19:18<somiaj>walter1227: yes, the model you are trying out
19:18<somiaj>walter1227: that link I gave you should have given you a list of ones to try
19:19<walter1227>yeah i did it but it gave me errors again
19:20<walter1227>ok sound i coming out but its really messed up
19:20<walter1227>how do i reset alsa mixer levels to make sure that's not it?
19:20<somiaj>walter1227: just run 'alsamixer'
19:21<somiaj>walter1227: okay looked at the manpage this time (my memory is very bad it seems) "options snd-hda-intel model=foo"
19:21<walter1227>ok thank-you
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19:25<walter1227>first time it was like "FATAL ERROR: snd-hda-intel is in use"
19:25<walter1227>the command without the -r seemed to do something without complaining
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19:28<somiaj>walter1227: this means we have to remove any module that is dependent on snd-hda-intel
19:28<somiaj>walter1227: lsmod | grep snd-hda-intel
19:28<somiaj>walter1227: this extra work is just to avoid rebooting
19:28<somiaj>again no guarntee any of these will work, but it is worht a shot
19:29<walter1227>wait, so if I just reboot will this take effect?
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19:32<somiaj>walter1227: correct, but you'll have to reboot each time you change the module
19:32<walter1227>ok
19:33<somiaj>model, and no telling if this was the fix or not
19:33<walter1227>brb then
19:33<walter1227>right
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19:36<walter1227>OK, it didn't work. I have sound but the levels are all off and it sounds like people are talking underwater is the best way I can describe it
19:37<walter1227>Oh, also on boot on the terminal screen before I get to the desktop it says something like "failed to load firmware"
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19:37<walter1227>Could that be a clue? Where would I find the boot log?
19:38<somiaj>walter1227: dmesg | grep firmware (lets see what it failed to load)
19:38<somiaj>walter1227: this is probabaly another issue, as sound cards don't really use firmware that I know of
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19:40<walter1227>http://paste.debian.net/plain/337809
19:41<somiaj>that is firmware for your wired network interface
19:41<walter1227>damn
19:41<walter1227>that works :(
19:41<somiaj>if you want to use the wired network interface you will need to install firmware-realtek from non-free
19:42<walter1227>i am using ethernet
19:42<walter1227>somiaj: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=125903
19:43<walter1227>That's my forum post, someone suggested running iceweasel in the terminal and it gave me errors, is that something worth looking into?
19:43<walter1227>I really don't know what to do here, I'm about to go back to Windows out of desperation. It's just frustrating, I really want to be able to use Debian but I'm not going to use it if the sound doesn't work
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19:44<somiaj>walter1227: what type of machine is this?
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19:46<walter1227>It's a custom built PC
19:46<walter1227>The sound has worked on every other OS I have had on this machine
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19:56<walter1227>somiaj you there?
19:56<walter1227>anyone?
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20:00<somiaj>walter1227: I'm unsure what the issue could be.
20:01<walter1227>ugh
20:01<walter1227>ok
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20:03<walter1227>well, what would you do if you were me? go back to Windows?
20:03<walter1227>another distro?
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20:06<r4f_deb>Hi all
20:06<r4f_deb>is there any command I install sensors through command line, to check temperature of the system ?
20:06<somiaj>walter1227: My solution to sound in linux was an sblive I have had since 2000. I just put it in all my machines. (:
20:07<somiaj>walter1227: as for why your card isn't working well. I dont' know. I'd keep digging, looking for hardware messages form the kernel, try to figure out what is special about the time it worked.
20:07<somiaj>r4f_deb: lm-sensors
20:08<r4f_deb>Hi somiaj, how are you ?
20:08<somiaj>r4f_deb: it installs a command called 'sensors'
20:08<r4f_deb>Thanks !
20:08<r4f_deb>yes, that is what I am searching to...
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20:08<r4f_deb>Thanks a lot, somiaj !
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20:11<r4f_deb>somiaj, see the message after lm-sensors: No sensors found!
20:11<r4f_deb>Make sure you loaded all the kernel drivers you need
20:14<r4f_deb>through sensors-detect, there is no sensors, but the question is: I want to install one
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20:14<somiaj>r4f_deb: run sensors-detect as root
20:14<somiaj>it should detect them and configure the output correctly.
20:15<r4f_deb>I used now sensors-detect, It made a scan here
20:15<r4f_deb>but, the final message: Sorry, no sensors were detected.
20:15<r4f_deb>Either your system has no sensors, or they are not supported
20:16<walter1227>somiaj: is it possible updating the kernel would help with this?
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20:17<r4f_deb>AMD K8 thermal sensors... No
20:18<r4f_deb>Intel digital thermal sensor... No
20:18<r4f_deb>Intel AMB FB-DIMM thermal sensor... No
20:18<somiaj>r4f_deb: ran as root? Do you happen to know what sensors your computer has (if any?)
20:18<r4f_deb>lots of no to this scan
20:18<r4f_deb>yes, as root
20:19<r4f_deb>through here, there is none, I thinks
20:19<somiaj>walter1227: I doubt it, but worth a try (also revert that model option you set)
20:19<somiaj>r4f_deb: I don't know if you have any, but usually only 1 or 2 get found.
20:20<r4f_deb>Is that common, you find 1 or 2 ?
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20:20<r4f_deb>from a large list of not found sensors ?
20:20<somiaj>it scans a large list of sensors across multiple computers/mainboards/etc.
20:21<somiaj>I have two on my system. One for the mobo and one for the cpu
20:21<r4f_deb>Trying family `SMSC'... Yes
20:21<r4f_deb>Probing for `SPD EEPROM'... Yes
20:22<r4f_deb>(confidence 8, not a hardware monitoring chip)
20:22<r4f_deb>only these two
20:23<r4f_deb>what do i do now ?
20:23<somiaj>I don't have much more advise. If that doesn't find them you may have to research exactly which sensors you have in your system.
20:24<r4f_deb>it has appeared only two 'YES' answers in the large list
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20:27<r4f_deb>ok somiaj, thanks for help
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20:45<egggs>hello all, i just installed debian 8 and had sound all was good, now i dont have sounds , apps play music but doesnt make it to my speaker or headphones
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20:47<walter1227>egggs: I am having sound issues with debian too actually
20:48<egggs>i was listening to music and rebooted and now im not listening ehhe
20:48<walter1227>what do you mean "apps play sound but not to headphones?"
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20:48<walter1227>egggs: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=125903
20:49<egggs>the timer in music app plays time like its playing but cant hear it
20:49<walter1227>thats my forum post, if your issue is similar make a comment about it. I would like to bring some attention o this
20:49<walter1227>thats exactly what is happening to me
20:49<walter1227>except sometimes it will come through like blurry and inaudible and sometimes not at all
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20:51<r4f_deb>Hey somiaj, I found some options for Debian here: Gkrellm package and hddtemp; the last one you check hd temperature through command line
20:52<r4f_deb>root@r4f:~# hddtemp /dev/sda
20:52<r4f_deb>/dev/sda: WDC WD1600AAJS-75M0A0: 42°C
20:53<r4f_deb>but I don't know if you use °C notation for temperature
20:53<r4f_deb>and don't know if it is possible configuring for other notation
20:54<DrZaius>what does packages with with ri (desired=remove, status=install) means in dpkg -l first column?
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20:54<DrZaius>I have a few... but I havent set them to remove nor they try to be removed when i dist-upgrade
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21:12<walter1227>How do I "seat" my sound card? Like what are some ways I can configure the sound options on my debian install>
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21:21<abrotman>seat? set?
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21:23<walter1227>oh yeah i dont know what the word is
21:23<walter1227>Im just having sound issues and I really dont know what to do :/
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21:59<egggs>walter1227 , i got my audio fingered out
21:59<walter1227>egggs, what was the fix?
21:59<egggs>xfce 64 bit , audio found 2 audio mixers
22:00<egggs>i changed the alsa mixer and had sound
22:01<walter1227>what do you mean you "changed" the alsa mixer?
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22:02<egggs>sound card option i had 2 to pick from,
22:03<egggs>alsa mixer hd audio generic(alsa mixer)
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