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---Logopened Sat Nov 28 00:00:38 2015
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00:02<r4f_deb>I had to remove some packages and I would like to know if it causes any kind of problem in the Debian System itself: the packages are lm-sensors and FlightGear, a simulator
00:03<r4f_deb>obs: I only use official and stable repository for Debian Jessie 8.2
00:04<somiaj>removing packages shouldn't cause to much issue. I would avoid removing packages fo priority standard or higher (important, required, esential)
00:04<somiaj>but those packages are just fine.
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00:05<r4f_deb>somiaj, a strange thing happened when I removed FlightGear: at first, I ran apt-get remove ....
00:06<r4f_deb>only 16,4 mb were removed
00:06<r4f_deb>but the package itself is about 1.8 Gb
00:06<r4f_deb>when I ran apt-get autoremove, the rest, 1,8 Gb was finally removed..
00:06<r4f_deb>is that common ?
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00:07<somiaj>yes, apt-get won't remove the auto installed packages by default, you will have to run autoremove later
00:07<r4f_deb>oh, I see
00:07<somiaj>i.e. you probabaly just installed a metapackage that pulled in the rest of the packages needed, once you removed the manual package that was holding everything in, the other packages are free to be removed. apt-get just has you do this as an additional step
00:07<somiaj>aptitude would remove them automatically
00:08<r4f_deb>I read the whole article: 'Don't Break Debian ! " Great Philosophy of Debian GNU/Linux !
00:08<r4f_deb>now, I only will use official repository
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00:09<r4f_deb>do I have to run aptitude again ?
00:09<r4f_deb>correction: do I have to run aptitude also ?
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00:11<somiaj>no, I use apt-get remove, then apt-get autoremove as a seperate command if there is stuff to autoremove
00:11<somiaj>I was just saying you could just suse aptitude remove, and it will remove the autopackages as well in one step
00:11<r4f_deb>great, so I am doing correctly
00:11<r4f_deb>oh, I see
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00:12<r4f_deb>Debian is Simply Perfect ! I can't understand why there are some people who don't use it, although they know about Linux as a whole.....
00:14<somiaj>Personal choice, and what ones out of their os.
00:16<r4f_deb>I used several, still use occasionally other Distros, but Debian is My Primary OS for Desktop and laptops
00:16<somiaj>But you have found the place for people who have chosen debian for various reasons.
00:16<r4f_deb>personally I think a bit strange the Slackware package management, quite complex and not so efficient than Debian ones
00:18<r4f_deb>Debian is the God of Unix like Systems for me, the First One (became Debian Maniac some years ago); Slackware, Gentoo, Scientific Linux, CentOS, ArchLinux are King
00:18<r4f_deb>but only Debian is the God
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00:18<r4f_deb>efficient as Server, different kind of Servers, efficient as Desktop...
00:19<r4f_deb>Perfect, Complete !
00:19<r4f_deb>Don't you agree, somiaj ?
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00:19<somiaj>Anways, distro comparision is mainly off-topic here. My philosophy is user choice. I myself like debian, but it is my personal choice.
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00:23<r4f_deb>I see, sorry about that, for it is off-topic here. I think I got carried away by emotion
00:23<r4f_deb>sorry about it, somiaj
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00:24<somiaj>no problem, I'm sure many here like to hear good opinions of debian, (:
00:24<r4f_deb>yes !
00:25<r4f_deb>somiaj, I have to go now, Thanks for help and explanations !
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00:25<r4f_deb>and thanks for patience also
00:25<r4f_deb>Bye ! See you later !
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01:17<rootkt>а на русском здеся общаются?
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01:20<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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01:25<salad>Hi. I wanna set up a Xen server on debian. If I install xen-linux-system and boot into it, can I still use it as a regular linux system?
01:25<salad>May not be the best place to ask sorry ^^
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01:37<somiaj>salad: what do you mean by regular linux system? You will boot into Dom 0 which is your host and is your debian install
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01:38<salad>I'm referring to this, has me confused -
01:39<somiaj>salad: it is just changing the kernel you boot into, your rootfs will be the same.
01:40<salad>oh, so I can still ssh into it and run regular programs, just like a regular debian system?
01:40<salad>except it can run VM's from the Xen stuff in the kernel?
01:41<somiaj>correct, it is a regular system with the kenerl that allows it to control, create, run, etc xen domains.
01:41<somiaj>I belive it is usually called Dom 0 in xen language
01:41<salad>sorry I'm just kinda confused by all this, the steps look easy enough but just need to wrap my head around it ^^
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01:41<salad>brilliant thank you
01:42<salad>one more question regarding networking -
01:42<somiaj>salad: the features for xen are not included in the default kernel and you need to boot into a custom kernel. This does some xen stuff I'm not that technical on, but one thing is you boot into your system which is the admin domain.
01:43<salad>I get that I have to set up a bridge, but how does xen know what adapter to use?
01:43<somiaj>I'm gueesing by the name of the interface alias
01:43<salad>does it look specifically for a connection called xenbr0? what if I have multiple bridges mapped differently?
01:44<somiaj>I'm unsure
01:44<somiaj>oh that auto line brings it up automatically
01:47<salad>that's all good, that's enough for me to have a play at least
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02:16<r4f_deb>Hi all
02:17<r4f_deb>Plese, is there any problem installing extensions directly on iceweasel , such as download helper ?
02:17<r4f_deb>does it cause any problem or affect Debian Stability ?
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02:23<markybob>r4f_deb, no. those are isolated
02:25<r4f_deb>Hi markybob, thanks for answering. Please, when you say 'isolated', the extension itself is isolated to Debian System as a whole ?
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02:25<markybob>r4f_deb, yes. iceweasel protects the system
02:26<r4f_deb>oh, ok so ! Thanks again Markybob !
02:26<r4f_deb>Hope see you soon
02:26<r4f_deb>Bye !
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04:52<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to set up a connection using a mobile broadband dongle, intended eventually to function as a backup for my VDSL - but, although I can sometimes get a first (after plugging in) connection, it tends to stay up less than a minute and I can't get a subsequent one. What could be wrong? Huawei E398, jessie, backported kernel
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04:58<ebw>Hi there! If I do an upgrade, I get lots of interactive dialogues stalling the upgrade. How can I prevent this? In web searches, i found solutions with dpkg-set-selections, but then I would need to know which dialogues pop up in advance. Is there a way to determine those?
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04:59<EmleyMoor>ebw: what are you upgrading from and to?
05:02<ebw>from wheezy to jessie
05:04<EmleyMoor>What exactly did you do?
05:05<ebw>apt-get dist-upgrade # after editing /etc/apt/sources.list and an apt-get update
05:06<EmleyMoor>In general I'd say you need to interact with the process...
05:06<chele>How do I run an app, say rhytmbox, with a lib i have compiled myself and not the systems installed one?
05:06<chele>i tried with LD_LIBRARY_PATH in front my I am not sure if that works.
05:07<ebw>should work
05:08<ebw>EmleyMoor: Ahh.. there must be a way to pre determine that, imagine a company with hundreds of boxes ... i can't imagen admins will babysit each and every upgrade :(
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05:24<ebw>Ahh the magic sutff is debconf
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05:24<ebw>with that you can get what i want
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10:22<p23454>there's a hell lot of documents to read, painful
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10:36<linzy>hello, everyone
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10:45<toogley>hey linzy
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10:52<tinymikey>good day everyone
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10:59<musca>hi tinymikey
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10:59<toogley>hey tinymikey
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11:01<tinymikey>is there a way to manually add apt-keys??????? i get this error
11:01<tinymikey>The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5C808C2B65558117
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11:05<newkgb>Hello again. I think something is up with the Netinstall 64bit version of Jessie. A few lock ups in the DE when using the dash and NO SUDO installed at all
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11:07<newkgb>I got debian because it was fully customisable, so I "install" cool packages, then find out that doesn't install them (and the packet mangers don't have an option to help). The help is all over the place on different sites. The installer asked me if I wanted VLM or something, even tho the loader GRUB doesn't support it
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11:08<newkgb>I had to download deb about 4 times _every_ time which uses up bandwidth if I made a mistake
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11:08<newkgb>and in linux you can just boot up and change the root poassword so nothing is secure(?)
11:10<newkgb>I don't mind customising, but when you just start using it you don't want to be messing about setting up the DE. I wanna be learning code. Not trawling the internet for forums that tell you wrong info
11:10<newkgb>and apparently essential packages with netinstall include bloody snake and tic-tac-toe
11:10<valdyn>newkgb: debian is not for you (or your attitude)
11:11<newkgb>Oh so the idea that I would set up a website and let everyone know the problems I faced and how to go about helping? Sure probably not then
11:11<valdyn>newkgb: there's more beginner friendly distros
11:11<valdyn>newkgb: they are just as customisable
11:12<newkgb>Do you have a reccomenation?
11:13<newkgb>I go to submit a bug, select the easiest #1 option as a novice and get asked a ton of really hard questions... yes. Debian is not for me.
11:14<newkgb>and one of the distributors the website sends me to who offers the most latest stable release has not got back to me in about 2 weeks.
11:14<newkgb>I'm letting you know of issues. Take them or leave them.
11:16<newkgb>Sure, Windows is generally bad. So are parts of Macintosh. Debian removes all the good things about them into one convenient form
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11:17<newkgb>I'm not scared of terminals and learning. But holy holy, debian makes it really difficult.
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11:18<egggs>newkgb, if you are asking for help you going about it in the wrong way.
11:18<valdyn>egggs: hes just trolling
11:19<newkgb>What is your deffinition of trolling Sir?
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11:19<egggs>i just installed debian on 2 machines for the 1st time yesterday and it kicked my butt, but its working great after i fingered out my problems
11:20<newkgb>Why did you install Debian?
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11:20<egggs>newkgb , there are better channels for chat then the help channel #debian-offtopic comes to mind
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11:21<newkgb>I can't talk about Debian in #debian?
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11:22<newkgb>I can see me having a thing for Debian. Added to MS and Google+
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11:22<egggs>whats the problem you have , not ranting about how u can't finger it out
11:22<muka>why when I mount cifs /dev/sdb1, the mount point loses permissions? when I ls -l, I get d??????...
11:23<valdyn>muka: cifs is a network fs, what does sdb1 have to do with it?
11:23<muka>sorry ntfs
11:24<valdyn>muka: the mount point gets the permissions of the root of the mounted fs, always
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11:24<newkgb>My problem is thus. How much TNT will it take to blow up the man who started Debian?
11:24<muka>I have mounted this usb before never had problem
11:25<valdyn>muka: ntfs has no unix permissions, theres no clear mapping of the ACL to rwx
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11:25<muka>this is usb hard drive
11:25<valdyn>muka: it should be irrelevant what type of hardware controls the disk
11:26<muka>but my old computer had no problem
11:26<valdyn>muka: however, im dont really have an understanding of how ntfs maps to rwx (aka unix) permissions, maybe someone else can help you
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11:27<muka>I was able to browse files via thunar. Now thunar gives me error, that it can not open the point
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11:27<egggs>is there a reason usb drive is ntfs? you limit yourself by locking in that format
11:27<valdyn>!tell muka -about ask
11:27<valdyn>!tell muka -about smart questions
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11:28<valdyn>egggs: if he has to share large files with windows theres not many alternatives
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11:28<valdyn>(where large is >4G
11:29<egggs>valdyn, true true, just asking if they had a reason
11:29<muka>I do not have windows but was lazy to format it, and since it was working I did not changed it.
11:29<egggs>!tell egggs -about smart questions
11:30<valdyn>this ????? is probably happening when fuse mounts for one user and another user uses it
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11:30<valdyn>but that does not really help you
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11:33<r4f_deb>Hi all
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11:34<muka>ok, just tested on my sid computer and all works. this must be stable bug
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11:36<muka>or do I miss pkg?
11:36<egggs>muka , im no expert but if you have no reason to use ntfs, I would reformat that usb drive,but thats just my opinion
11:40<EmleyMoor>I have a Huawei E398 that I want to use with pppd - sometimes, it lets me initiate a connection that lasts less than a minute... at other times it fails to complete the connection (does not get an IP). How can I determine what the problem is?
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11:43<EmleyMoor>When I do get a connection, the reason it closes is "LCP terminated by peer"
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12:01<AutofireII>For some reason, my / partition is being mounted as...801? (mount says "801 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)" ) fstab looks correct. I wouldn't be worrying except update-initramfs always crashes. (With "mkinitramfs: failed to determine device for /") apt-get needs to run I'm not sure what's up.
12:02<p23454>hi, i apt-get install sl (funny train command for wrong typing), it was successful, but when i tpye sl, it shows command not found.
12:04<blast007>p23454: perhaps you don't have /usr/games in your $PATH ?
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12:08<p23454>yean, think so, how to change it ?
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12:10<p23454>got it
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12:37<EmleyMoor>I have a netfilter/iptables query. I presently have both NAT and non-NAT IPv4 - the NAT uses an address outside my allocation, as that's what the pppoe port gets from the ISP (it's fixed). Is there any way I can have the NAT use one of my allocation (the eth1 address of the router, say)? Failing that, is there any way I can NAT by IP rather than interface?
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12:44<lindi->EmleyMoor: it's very hard to understand your question. Can you run on all affected computers and publish the output at ?
12:44<xormor>hi. how does the Linux kernel work? what does it do? are the drivers inside the kernel?
12:44<EmleyMoor>lindi-: There is only one relevant computer. I will do that and then explain further if it's unclear...
12:45<mtn>xormor, most drivers are supplied by the kernel.
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12:46<lindi->xormor: is there some particular aspect of the kernel that you'd like to understand?
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12:46<AutofireII>xormor: does this help?
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12:47<xormor>lindi-: I would like to understand what it does with the actual hardware of the computer. and how it uses assembly language. does the kernel depend on a particular memory architecture?
12:47<cap0ral>C'est génial ici quand on veux parler
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12:48<lindi->xormor: what it does with the hardware depends on the architecture
12:49<lindi->xormor: linux does not contain assembler that much, it's mostly used in scheduler
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12:51<EmleyMoor>lindi-: - done as best I can as pastebinit appears not to be working
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12:52<xormor>AutofireII: yes, it did. thanks API... I did not know Linux had an API. I knew Windows does, because WINE is a Windows API, not an emulator.
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12:53<xormor>lindi-: I know how to program C, C++, html and x86, and some amd64 assembly.
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12:55<lindi->EmleyMoor: does your ISP give you a public IPv4 address?
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12:57<EmleyMoor>lindi-: A /28.
12:57<lindi->EmleyMoor: ok.
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12:58<lindi->EmleyMoor: what does "tcpdump -i pppoe-aaisp -n icmp" show if you do "ping" from some other computer on the internet?
12:59<xormor>lindi-: should I use a different architecture than x86_64? I use both Intel and AMD processors. they seem to work just fine.
12:59<lindi->xormor: that depends on what you are trying to do
12:59<lindi->xormor: are you writing software in assembler or something?
12:59<xormor>lindi-: I like doing maths on the computer.
12:59<EmleyMoor>Do you mean from somewhere outside my network?
13:00<lindi->EmleyMoor: yeah
13:00<xormor>lindi-: I may have to start an assembly project, but I am currently not writing assembly software.
13:00<somiaj>I'd use x86_64 (amd64). If you wanted a 32bit enviorment, just make a chroot.
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13:01<xormor>lindi-: I am thinking along the lines of making demoes and doing mathematical calculations in assembly. something to challenge myself with.
13:01<lindi->xormor: are you installing debian and asking what architecture to install?
13:01<amacater>xormor: x86)64 should be right if you have an Intel/AMD processor capable of 64 bits - take full advantatge of all the extra registers :)
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13:03<EmleyMoor>18:03:09.194200 IP > ICMP echo request, id 25389, seq 65408, length 44
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13:03<lindi->EmleyMoor: ok
13:04<xormor>amacater: yeah. :)
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13:05<xormor>lindi-: I have debian installed currently, on all of my computers. this is a debian, with which I connected to this channel. but if I were to install, say, ARM, SPARC or some legacy system like Amiga, what would I have to do to make the system stable and running?
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13:07<SS2>for some reason Packages.gz/bz2 for squeeze/ppc is out of sync with the files present in the repository
13:07<lindi->EmleyMoor: hmm. what if you just add to the pppoe-aaisp interface?
13:07<xormor>lindi-: I might want to install debian on a RISC system. I believe my systems are all CISC.
13:07<lindi->EmleyMoor: and then instead of MASQUERADE use SNAT --to-source
13:07<SS2>could that be? or maybe there's something wrong i'm doing?
13:08<lindi->xormor: emulator is probably the easiest solution
13:08<SS2>(also is this the right channel?)
13:08<lindi->EmleyMoor: and then only use private addresses for eth1
13:08<EmleyMoor>lindi-: is a totally different box
13:09<lindi->EmleyMoor: but you said that there was only one relevant computer?
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13:09<EmleyMoor>Yes, and isn't it.
13:09<lindi->EmleyMoor: I'm really struggling to understand your setup :)
13:10<xormor>I do think assembly is easy - except if you don't know what it is doing. but if one knows what to do, the instructions are easy to follow, if they are well documented.
13:10<lindi->EmleyMoor: maybe you should show me an incoming packet and then describe what you'd like to happen to it
13:10<EmleyMoor>You can safely disregard
13:10<EmleyMoor>lindi-: Incoming to where exactly?
13:10<lindi->EmleyMoor: well, a packet, incoming or outgoing :)
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13:11<EmleyMoor>Incoming to, or outgoing from, where exactly?
13:11<xormor>with comments it is easy to learn assembly, and easy to see what it is doing.
13:11<lindi->EmleyMoor: I don't know, what doesn't work in your current setup?
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13:11<lindi->xormor: I'm having trouble understanding what this has to do with debian :)
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13:12<EmleyMoor>In my current setup, nothing doesn't work. However, I am trying to add a backup connection (the ISP's own mobile service allows for this) and, it being a non-staffed time, other customers are pouring doubt on me being able to continue with the existing NAT masquerade rule.
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13:14<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to make something extra work, but there is doubt
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13:14<amacater>lindi The easiest way is to get real hardware - Raspberry Pi 2 will give you ARM, Sparc 32 bit - qemu??
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13:16<lindi->amacater: hmm? surely it it easier to experiment in an emulaor
13:17<xormor>lindi-: ok... I did not find any people on the #kernel and #linuxkernel channels. so I came here, to find answers about software. Debian is often used to run a LOT of different software. so I asked about the workings of the kernel and started chattering about programming. I am quite tired. it is already 20:17 (8:15 PM) here.
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13:18<amacater>Yes - but the amount of setup you'll need to get an emulator and chroot running well and the performance - a real Beaglebone black / Pi 2 will repay the time in hours :)
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13:19<lindi->xormor: that's ok :)
13:19<lindi->amacater: but you can get premade emulator images and you'll have everything setup in a few minutes
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13:19<lindi->amacater: xormor: has debian virtual machine for many many architectures. ready to boot
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13:43<xormor>how many bits are there in an ipv6 address?
13:44<xormor>is it hexadecimal and decimal mixed, or just hexadecimal? (I mean how it is shown, it is of course 1's and 0's when used). in fact it is voltages, probably.
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13:51<EmleyMoor>I have two possible Internet connections, capable of routing the same addresses. The main one is pppoe, the other ppp-emulated HSDPA. What's the best way to arrange a failover scenario between them?
13:51<xormor>petn-randall: I found it on Google already, but thanks. the answer is: 128 bits.
13:52<EmleyMoor>128 bits, normally written as hexadecimal.
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13:52<EmleyMoor>(8 x 16 bit words, : between)
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13:53<xormor>EmleyMoor: is computer design an exact representation? is computer science an exact science?
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13:54<EmleyMoor>xormor: Is that to do with my Internet connection failover? If so, I fail to see the relevance.
13:56<xormor>EmleyMoor: when I graduated from my BBA in Business IT education degree program, the paper said I had studied "natural science", and had a lower technical polytechnic/college/university degree. it claimed it was occupational youth education. but it was "natural science", not "business" according to a part of the explanation.
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13:57<xormor>EmleyMoor: I am a bit scatterbrained right now, because it is evening here now.
13:58<xormor>EmleyMoor: probably my schizophrenia acting up again... I talk and type irrelevant things, off-top and changing subjects. nothing serious. I will go outside for a cigarette break.
13:58<EmleyMoor>Oh right
13:58<xormor>EmleyMoor: *off-topic that is
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14:08<xormor>EmleyMoor: I am interested in assembly and disassembly. they are interesting in a linguistic way. they describe exact representation of microassembly. if the computer is not broken, the code will always run. some BIOS interrupt calls are broken though. so in old MS-DOS days the computer would just "hang" upon calling a certain interrupt vector. that was in the 1990's.
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14:09<xormor>EmleyMoor: it is possible for higher level programming language instructions not to run for a reason - perhaps because interrupts are disabled. I am not sure? when will C code or C++ code run? especially on debian?
14:10<lindi->xormor: huh?
14:10<xormor>lindi-: probably my schizophrenia again... I will take a cup of coffee and try to collect my thoughts in a proper way.
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14:22<ducuchu>hi! I have Debian testing with KDE on my PC. I insert a USB flash and it open just fine but when I try to copy something in it I can not.When I read /etc/mtab it's read only, How I fix it?
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14:41<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to use "demand dial" to start the mobile connection, if, say, the other connection was off and Internet access was required?
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14:51<tex>ducuchu: A live cd paradigm is a preinstalled system which runs from read-only media, like a cdrom, where writes and modifications do not survive reboots of the host hardware which runs it.
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16:31<stemid>weird bug in systemd on debian jessie, it's in tor but maybe someone here knows why this happens. by default tor will not run on debian jessie using systemd because of this error here but if I add NoNewPrivileges=no to [Service] it runs while systemctl start tor@defualt hangs. and if I interrupt systemctl start tor@default then the ser
16:31<stemid>vice is also interrupted. but the service comes back up and systemctl is no longer hanged.
16:31<stemid>super weird to me but systemd is new to me
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17:25<valentine>Is this the main debian help chat, or is there a different one?
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17:27<tex>there's plenty of debian help chatroom (according your needs) but, yes, this is the main one
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17:33<tex>valentine: list Debian IRC channels:
17:35<petn-randall>tex: valentine left a minute after the question, they never read your answer.
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17:36<tex>perhaps they'll re-connect later
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17:41<User-Box> Hello
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17:46<Darby_Crash>hello guys
17:46<User-Box> Hello
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17:47<Darby_Crash>i have jessie + lxde 32 bit and this wifi card
17:47<Darby_Crash>02:04.0 Ethernet controller: InProComm Inc. IPN 2220 802.11g
17:47<Darby_Crash> Subsystem: AMBIT Microsystem Corp. T60N871 802.11g Mini PCI Wireless Adapter
17:47<Darby_Crash> Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 10
17:47<Darby_Crash> I/O ports at 3800 [size=32]
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17:47<Darby_Crash> Memory at e020a000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32]
17:47<Darby_Crash> Memory at e0209000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2K]
17:47<Darby_Crash> Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2
17:48<somiaj>use a pastebin, don't flood the channel please
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17:50<Darby_Crash>this is the wifi card
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17:50<Darby_Crash>i have installed ndiswrapper
17:52<Darby_Crash>drivers for XP, but don't work
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17:53<Darby_Crash>i have this in /etc/network/interfaces
17:54<dpkg>NDISwrapper enables the use of Windows XP (not Vista/7/8) network device drivers within the Linux kernel (x86 and x86-64 systems only). If a Linux kernel driver is available for your device, consider using that instead; for wireless LAN devices, ask me about <wireless>. To install NDISwrapper on Debian systems, see . #ndiswrapper on
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17:54<EmleyMoor>Better to use a proper Linux driver, if you can
17:55<somiaj>Darby_Crash: assuming you read theh wiki page. You have a chipset I'm not familar with and I'm not finding any linux native drivers. ndiswrapper is rarely used so it may take some fiddiling with to get it to work.
17:57<Darby_Crash>Subsystem: AMBIT Microsystem Corp. T60N871 802.11g Mini PCI Wireless Adapter [1468:0305]
17:57<Darby_Crash>for this card debian wiki report ndiswrapper
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17:58<somiaj>yea follow the debian wiki for ndiswrapper, when you get to a step that has an error, paste the output of the command you ran and the error you got.
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17:59<Darby_Crash>i have do anything
18:00<Darby_Crash>after installation of drivers i have not results
18:01<somiaj>we can't help if you don't tell us what step (command) you ran and what the output is
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18:07<jaccob>I have the jesse on my desktop and laptop but I installed on my laptop a year or so later and it has a newer version of chromium -it has the option to login in with multiple users. So how do I upgrade a package?
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18:10<mtn>jaccob, you can update your entire system using synaptic or the command line. have you been doing this?
18:11<jaccob>mtn, yeah, but atm I feel like just upgrading chromium
18:11<somiaj>for the most part jessie is stable and the only fixes you get are security/bug fixes
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18:11<somiaj>chormium is an exception. It is easier for the security team to provide a newer version than backport the fixes since browsers are nothing but a security nightmare
18:11<mtn>jaccob, it is best and safest to keep the entire system updated, but you can easily reinstall any package, which will make it the latest version available
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18:12<somiaj>so for the most part chromium will be the only package you see increase in upstream version vs the other fixes are just debian patches to fix the issue
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18:14<jaccob>not sure, so if it is just security, means I have to upgrade the whole system to get the upgrade. Or I can purge and re-install the get the updated version? I'll just upgrade the whole system then.
18:15<somiaj>chromium is an exception. security fixes are done by upgrading the package chromium
18:15<somiaj>,v chromium
18:15<judd>Package: chromium on amd64 -- squeeze:; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 44.0.2403.89-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 46.0.2490.71-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 46.0.2490.71-1~deb8u1; stretch: 46.0.2490.71-1; sid: 46.0.2490.71-1; experimental: 47.0.2526.16-1
18:15<somiaj>see how jessie-secirity has version 46 vs jessie only has version 44 (which was not the version jessie was released with)
18:16<somiaj>but if you need a version newer than 46, you'll have to backport it yourself
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18:18<jaccob>somiaj, thx
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18:19<somiaj>note there will be more security holes in chromium, and jessie will get a newer version as a result of this, (:
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18:20<jaccob>somiaj, r u saying I should use firefox for security?
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18:21<somiaj>I'm saying that debian has decided that backporting security fixes in webbrowsers is to much work with no support form upstream
18:22<somiaj>icewesel is in the same boat. Security fixes come from a new upstream release, the difference is firefox has na ESR release that can be used.
18:22<somiaj>but this release upgrades about once a year and this will happen a few times in the lifetime of jessie
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18:28<jaccob>somiaj, thx so much
18:28<somiaj>note these are also the only two brwosers debian gives any security support for.
18:29<somiaj>browsers are just a security nightmare. (:
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18:42<jaccob>whats a good apt-get for create pretty html emails?
18:42<jaccob>not debian appropriate question?
18:42<somiaj>what do you mean by that?
18:43<somiaj>You want software that reads/creates html emails? So an email client like evolution or icedove?
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18:43<tex>exim ?
18:44<somiaj>exim dosne't really create emails.
18:44<tex>right, transport
18:45<jaccob>well in gmail you can use the editor to design html emails, so I guess it is a waste of time, but maybe there are some nice templates or something
18:45<jaccob>somiaj, I mean like
18:45<tex>you want to "decorate" your emails ?
18:47<somiaj>jaccob: these are the process of the email client you use to generate emails. I personally despise such emails (try to read them in a text email client and you'll see why). But yea gmail is a client over a browser, evoluation or icedove are graphical clients you can isntall on your system.
18:47<jaccob>yeah, or harness some power from mutt, I am reading at the moment
18:47<somiaj>as for what sort of templates/fancy designs you want, many of these clients can work with tempaltes
18:48<jaccob>somiaj, they look nice, no? Like the newletters you get from companies that look like a website page. True they look like crap in mutt or other text email client, but most people use browser email, or outlook.
18:49<somiaj>you have to generate these templates. I'm unsure where to get them but this doens't sound like something that is in debian
18:51<jaccob>yeah true, non debian offtopic talk, never mind.
18:51<jaccob>woohoo, I got the newer chromium now
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20:17<cat>is `man shred` tongue-in-cheek when it states "If FILE is -, shred standard output."
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20:25<catern>cat: try it and see
20:25<cat>i did, but i was just making sure
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20:26<catern>seems to work for me
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20:53<mint>trying to install chrome on antix
20:53<mint>anyone have any ideas
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21:24<WubTheCaptain>As far as I've understood it, xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu needs to be packaged for Debian first for latest Tonga/Fiji AMD graphics to work?
21:24<WubTheCaptain>For X
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21:25<WubTheCaptain>Not suggesting to use fglrx
21:27<WubTheCaptain>I was wondering how KMS interacts with it on kernel 4.2.6 (packaged in Debian), if it's necessary to have xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu (aka xf86-video-amdgpu).
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21:55<WubTheCaptain>Looks like I'll be waiting for the package to exit the NEW queue.
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23:46<kernelcorn>hi guys. Can anyone suggest how to open a directory with the Kate text editor? I don't know how to get the directory tree like I see on Kate's website.
23:47<somiaj>kate /path/to/dir doesn't work?
23:47<somiaj>do you get the directory open just dont' see the tree the same?
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23:47<kernelcorn>somiaj: Kate throws an error saying that the path is not to a file
23:48<kernelcorn>yeah, it says that it could not be opened as "it isn't a file, it is a folder"
23:48<somiaj>that to me seems like the version of kate you ahve either doesn't have that feature, it is a plugin, or it needs to be turned on in a config
23:49<somiaj>I don't use kate so not sure what is needed to get the ability to open directories
23:49<kernelcorn>do you have an idea how to enable that feature?
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23:49<kernelcorn>I'm trying to switch from Sublime Text to something more FOSS :)
23:50<somiaj>I probabaly don't have any good recomendations. I use vim or gvim
23:51<kernelcorn>I'm a GUI sort of person, vim isn't really for me, and Emacs was a bit too complicated.
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23:52<catern>kernelcorn: did you try it? Emacs that is, it has a nice GUI :)
23:53<kernelcorn>catern: yes, I tried it, but I couldn't figure it out. I haven't uninstalled it, but I'd like to explore Kate.
23:54<somiaj>gvim is the gui version of vim. Anyways, I think there is a #debian-kde channel and someone there may have a bit more knowledge of kate, or you should look into what version/plugin/feature needs to be enabled to open directories
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23:56<kernelcorn>ah, I think I need to install kate-plugins
23:58<kernelcorn>that did the trick!
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