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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-12-03

---Logopened Thu Dec 03 00:00:01 2015
00:00<Shentino>deliberate flooding like that earns a k-line in my book
00:01<samsagaz>twb: why u say that is bad? :/
00:02<twb>Because it handles configuration management exceptionally poorly
00:02<twb>For example, many modules will delete all comments from files they edit
00:02<twb>Error handling is poor to nonexistent
00:02<twb>The overall code quality varies drastically between modules.
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00:03<zykotick9>samsagaz: you might be interested in "/msg dpkg webmin" as well...
00:04<samsagaz>well, yes, but i need just for local dev
00:04<samsagaz>but you are right :/
00:05<twb>If it is for personal use, you would be FAR better served by learning how to handle the configuration directly
00:05<twb>Or hire a competent part-time sysadmin
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00:06<samsagaz>no, is ok, i dont need it, its just to save a few minutes to create the db, add the vhost info to apache, create the home dirs....
00:06<samsagaz>i just need it to speed up that things
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00:36<r4fkramer_>I'm trying to install unrar-free on my Debian Jessie, but it's taking too much time, and strange informations through command line, such as " unknown / Application, is making me to give up the idea to continue this installation
00:36<r4fkramer_>Can I just interrupt it and run 'autoremove' to clean the system of packages that are already installed from this main package ' unrar-free ' ?
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00:37<r4fkramer_>sorry, english is crappy
00:38<r4fkramer_>how to clean system from packages already installed, and that belong to unrar-free software ?
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00:39<somiaj>,v unrar-free
00:39<judd>Package: unrar-free on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1; wheezy: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-2; stretch: 1:0.0.1+cvs20140707-1; jessie: 1:0.0.1+cvs20140707-1; sid: 1:0.0.1+cvs20140707-1
00:39<r4fkramer_>Hi somiaj
00:39<r4fkramer_>do I have to run ' v unrar-free ' ?
00:39<somiaj>r4fkramer_: Are you trying to search your system for extra stuff you may have installed, or trying to install unrar-free?
00:40<r4fkramer_>it's in curse the unrar-free installation, somiaj; the problem is: it is taking too much time
00:40<r4fkramer_>there is something wrong
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00:41<r4fkramer_>by the way, it belongs to official repository, but my Jessie is configured to install only from stable and official repository
00:41<r4fkramer_>... for, my Jessie is configure.....
00:42<r4fkramer_>screen here seems as it is being compiled
00:42<r4fkramer_>can't understand the reason for that
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00:43<r4fkramer_>sorry, judd, can't understand your explanation yet...
00:43<somiaj>judd was just listing the various version of that package.
00:43<somiaj>judd: what is taking to much time, the downloading of the file? Could it be an internet issue?
00:43<r4fkramer_>oh, ok, thanks judd
00:44<r4fkramer_>I think not
00:44<r4fkramer_>internet is running fine, browser is running fine
00:44<r4fkramer_>I'm talking to you through xchat, with no matter....
00:44<r4fkramer_>the issue is other
00:44<somiaj>!bat
00:44<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
00:45<somiaj>well that is the standard info for tryign to debug package issues. Give the output of the command you ran (so we can see where it is hanging)
00:46<r4fkramer_>let me trying to search this information, just one moment, somiaj...
00:47<r4fkramer_>somiaj, the package is already installed, and returned to root prompt
00:47<somiaj>r4fkramer_: so I guess I'm unclear on what is taking to long
00:48<r4fkramer_>but, the root prompt shows a large message, and it starts with " Message from syslogd@r4f at Dec 3 00:23:22 ", and goes on...
00:48<r4fkramer_>in freebsd, when I was compiling any package, similar screen appeared
00:49<jm_>haha
00:49<r4fkramer_>unfortunately I can't show you a message, just one line here, for you to have any idea about what's really happening here
00:49<r4fkramer_>jm_ ? why haha ?
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01:01<r4fkramer_>somiaj, please, don't you know the reason for these messages after unrar-free installation ?
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01:10<jm_>at least provide the whole message
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01:11<r4fkramer_>I can't print this message here, jm_
01:11<jm_>r4fkramer_: why not?
01:11<r4fkramer_>well I will be punished no ?
01:11<jm_>you mean it's too long? use the paste site
01:11<jm_>!paste
01:11<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
01:11<jm_>the first URL is preferred
01:12<r4fkramer_>in this case, can you see messages I will paste there ?
01:12<jm_>if you tell me the URL then I can
01:12<r4fkramer_>oh, thanks a lot for that, jm_ !
01:12<jm_>you get the URL when you submit it on the site
01:12<r4fkramer_>just one moment, please...
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01:14<r4fkramer_>the 1st one you suggested me, jm_
01:14<r4fkramer_>I finished paste there
01:14<r4fkramer_>only some lines
01:14<jm_>r4fkramer_: it gave you more specific URL, do you have it?
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01:14<r4fkramer_>http://paste.debian.net/
01:14<r4fkramer_>the first
01:15<jm_>ok I see it, it gave you this URL - http://paste.debian.net/340803
01:15<jm_>this is the one you mention here
01:15<r4fkramer_>oh, yes ! that was the first time I did it. Thanks !
01:15<jm_>it's syslogd sending messages from lighthttpd to console
01:16<r4fkramer_>jm_ yes, does it mean any trouble on my system, after unrar-free installation ?
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01:17<jm_>r4fkramer_: well no, but it does look like some hosts are accessing your web server so you may want to look into that. And since this message probably goes to logfiles too you may consider disabling sending it to console
01:18<r4fkramer_>some hosts are acessing my system here ?
01:18<r4fkramer_>my web server, in the case ?
01:18<r4fkramer_>and how to disabling it ?
01:18<jm_>it sure looks that way, you do have lighttpd installed, don't you?
01:19<r4fkramer_>don't know, jm_, at least, I didn't install it
01:19<gino>systemctl
01:19<jm_>r4fkramer_: dpkg -s lighttpd
01:19<r4fkramer_>I installed several packages here, but not lightttpd or systemctl
01:19<r4fkramer_>no, I didn't do that
01:19<jm_>that's how you verify if it's installed
01:19<r4fkramer_>just installed some packages from official repository using apt-get install
01:19<r4fkramer_>only this
01:20<r4fkramer_>oh, dpkg -s lighttpd is just for checking ?
01:20<r4fkramer_>let me see here...
01:21<twb>Why is debian *still* shipping ssleay.cnf
01:21<r4fkramer_>lighttpd is not installed here, jm_
01:22<r4fkramer_>it is like that: ' dpkg-query: package 'lighttpd' is not installed and no information is available
01:22<r4fkramer_>1
01:23<jm_>r4fkramer_: which syslog package is in use?
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01:24<r4fkramer_>don't know jm_
01:24<r4fkramer_>quite newbie in Debian Administration through command line. Sorry
01:24<jm_>try lsof | grep kmsg
01:26<r4fkramer_>it was pasted on the first link you suggested me, jm_
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01:30<r4fkramer_>jm_, do you have any idea about it ?
01:31<jm_>r4fkramer_: once again, when you paste it there and submit it, the web page gives you the link by redirecting your browser to its URL, you grab that and give us this new URL, it doesn't look like rsyslog enables remote logging by default so I don't see that causing the messages, try checking your logs if there are more clues there
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01:32<r4fkramer_>ok jm_, apparently there is no problem or damage issue here ?
01:32<r4fkramer_>my Debian is not being damaged... ?
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01:33<jm_>r4fkramer_: well I would investigate this, hard to say now
01:33<r4fkramer_>unfortunately I must go now, have to sleep, it is 4:32 am here
01:34<r4fkramer_>but I will follow your suggestion, and investigate it afterwards
01:34<jm_>ok
01:34<r4fkramer_>Well jm_ You were very Friendly and Kindly, thanks a Lot !
01:34<jm_>no worries
01:34<r4fkramer_>Hope to see you here again
01:35<r4fkramer_>Bye jm_ !
01:35<jm_>see you
01:35<r4fkramer_>Thanks a lot !!!
01:35<r4fkramer_>Great Debian Warrior !
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01:46<Guest124>ciao a tutti
01:47<jm_>!it
01:47<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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01:57<ryouma>rsnapshot sends most things to /var/log, but when i add --stats to its rsync long options variable, it sends that to cron email. what is crontrolling this? i'd rather it all go to log files.
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02:53<bel_rus123>when I copy or delete files to and from a usb device, eject it and replug it... those files that i delete or coppied are either corrupted or not fully copied. I dont have a corrupted usb device. It seems that if i unplug it with out safty removal the problem occurs. is there a way to fix this
02:54<jm_>yes, run sync before you unplug it
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03:00<gnumonk>How to change the login: prompt in lxc? I have ubuntu container and it comes as "login:" prompt, I wanted to change to something like "lxc login:" .
03:00<gnumonk>Please note that I am not asking post login messege .
03:00<gnumonk>any idea?
03:00<jm_>!ubuntuirc
03:00<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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03:02<jm_>bel_rus123: no private messages please, we can discuss it here - not sure what exactly you mean with that windows option, where is that?
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03:02<gnumonk>jm_: question is on Debian ? its Debian Host (stable) and Debian unstable as container . Sorry was typo in this.
03:02<bel_rus123>sorry about that.
03:03<gnumonk>How to change the login: prompt in lxc? I have Debian container and it comes as "login:" prompt, I wanted to change to something like "lxc login:" .
03:05<jm_>gnumonk: so what does dpkg -s libc6 show in the container for the version?
03:05<gnumonk>let me check
03:06<bel_rus123>jm: in windows there is an option which lets you choose either for safty removal of the usb device or performance of the usb device. if you choose safty removal which is the default, you can unplug it the usb device with out having to safely remove the usb device. is there a way to do that
03:06<jm_>bel_rus123: can you tell me where in windows one can find this option so I can check it
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03:09<gnumonk>jm_: I get an error says "--status needs a valid package name......"
03:09<jm_>gnumonk: the command is 'dpkg -s libc6'
03:10<gnumonk>give me a min, box is rebooted.
03:12<bel_rus123>jm: in the device manager menu, disk drives, properties, policies
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03:13<gnumonk>ok I did this "dpkg -s libc6:amd64", have msg about installed package info.
03:13<jm_>which version is it?
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03:13<gnumonk>2.19-22
03:15<jm_>that looks like testing not unstable, anyway, support for that is in #debian-next, for me login prompt looks like "hostname login:", and it doesn't show hostname if the gethostname() call fails, so maybe check in that direction
03:17<gnumonk>ok, also it takes "two enter" from login prompt ? like login: <my user name> and then I enter, its blank and again I have to enter to get password: prompt.
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03:18<jm_>no, just to clarify - I am talking about login prompt in regular install, not lxc
03:18<jm_>but since it's the same code it should not matter
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03:19<glenn>hello
03:19<gnumonk>ok, but what about two times press "enter"?
03:19<gnumonk>ok, but what about two times press "enter key"?
03:19<jm_>no idea about that but like I said, please continue in #debian-next
03:19<glenn>guys... i got a problem installing debian on VM...
03:20<gnumonk>ok Thanks
03:20<jm_>no problem
03:21<bel_rus123>jm: in the device manager menu, disk drives, properties, policies
03:21<bel_rus123>glenn: what exactly is the problem
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03:22<jm_>bel_rus123: yeah sounds like sync mount option, but that can be terribly slow
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03:24<bel_rus123>it is... but where do I found it
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03:28<glenn>bel_rus123: i tell you later... i forgot the exact problem... it was on the process of install....
03:28<rex51>what problem?
03:28<jm_>bel_rus123: depends what mounts it and if it allows you to change mount options
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03:29<bel_rus123>glenn: are you running a 64bit or 32bit machine
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03:30<glenn>bel_rus123: 32bit... the OS was Debian i386 version 8.x
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04:23<earthcentre>hi
04:23<earthcentre>how to update debian ?
04:23<d3nny>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
04:23<earthcentre>ty d3nny
04:24<d3nny>yw
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04:24<duclicsic>use apt-get dist-upgrade to avoid missing dependencies
04:24<d3nny>but there are other steps needed if you want to upgrade your debian from wheezy to jessie for example
04:24<d3nny>don't know what exactly you want to do ;)
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04:26<earthcentre>oh, what I want to do is just update
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04:27<earthcentre>I had gotten some discs, but somehow that failed, because I chose to install all the desktop enviroments
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04:27<earthcentre>and I couldnt get the wifi working
04:27<earthcentre>so now I am plugged in
04:28<earthcentre>I came here from Mint
04:29<earthcentre>Mint is nice
04:29<earthcentre>just giving debian a go
04:29<earthcentre>how do I get xfce up and running ?
04:29<earthcentre>complicated ?
04:31<jm_>!install xfce
04:31<dpkg>To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages.
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04:34<defa>Hello, does anyone know where I should go to chat about Kali Linux on a Raspberry Pi?
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04:38<planetmaker>#kali?
04:38<duclicsic>you'd think that might be easy enough to google..
04:38<planetmaker>yes, but he's gone already
04:38<duclicsic>indeed
04:39<planetmaker>patience is less easy to google :P
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06:10<blue_sky>where does Debian want me to put local 'site' perl modules. I'm finding conflicting suggestions: /usr/local/lib/perl/5.20 and /usr/local/lib/site_perl. These modules will be packages like 'Local::Foo'
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06:11<jm_>perl -V lists @INC
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06:11<jm_>but yes, /usr/local is the place to use for non-packaged stuff
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06:13<SynrG>it's not conflicting.
06:13<blue_sky>jm_: thanks, /usr/local/lib/site_perl looks correct.
06:13<SynrG>blue_sky: if it's known to be incompatible with versions prior to 5.20, use that
06:13<SynrG>otherwise, site_perl is fine
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06:14<SynrG>(such as when binary modules are provided that are binary incompatible with earlier versions)
06:15<blue_sky>SynrG: looking at @INC, that'd probably be /usr/local/share/perl/5.20.2. Thanks. AFAIK these are compatible with current system perl.
06:15<SynrG>er, yeah
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06:43<krymzon>Hi, has anyone here used ModemManager without NetworkManager? I'm considering the former, but want to avoid the latter; for headless semi-embedded, always-on internal 3G
06:45<SynrG>blue_sky: it appears work is in progress to get it from experimental to unstable; after that, it would go to testing, and then become a candidate for backporting. so, all in good time :)
06:45<SynrG>er, sorry, wrong channel & wrong nick
06:45<blue_sky>:)
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06:46<SynrG>(letsencrypt, in case you were wondering what i was babbling about)
06:46<SynrG>krymzon: why avoid NM? it works headless
06:46<SynrG>krymzon: using nmcli
06:47<bremner>krymzon: yes, I've used modem manager with wicd
06:48<SynrG>people still use wicd?
06:48<jm_>or NM? :P
06:48<krymzon>SynrG: we already have quite a bit of stuff using network/interfaces file, and dhcpd
06:49<SynrG>NM can delegate
06:49<SynrG>all your /e/n/i stuff can stay in place. NM will ignore it
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06:49<SynrG>(that's the default behaviour of NM, too)
06:51<krymzon>I've read NM interferes with independent local dhcp servers, and also the modem's interface name is already in e/n/i
06:51<SynrG>i see.
06:53<krymzon>we have relatively weird stuff in the e/n/i to enable automatic connection in the field without knowing what interfaces will be available beforehand
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06:54<krymzon>e.g. we try to connect USB-ethernet adapters even though they usually aren't there
06:55<SynrG>hmm. googling a bit suggests people use wvdial for this class of problem
06:55<krymzon>so I understand MM has a good chance of working fine with /e/n/i and without NM
06:55<krymzon>wvdial seems not reliable enough for us
06:55<krymzon>I'm looking MM vs pppd :)
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06:55<SynrG>i wonder if wicd keeps its sticky fingers off your dhcpd ...
06:56<krymzon>I guess I'll try MM without any additional connection managers
06:56<SynrG>i've seen wicd-curses. looks better than nmcli
06:56<krymzon>(need to go now, back in half an hour)
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06:56<krymzon>thanks everyone!
06:56<SynrG>good luck. curious if you do find a solution :)
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06:59<bremner>krymzon: now that I think about, I probably used ModemManager with ifup
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07:24<krymzon>thanks! that's what I'll try. Sure, I can report back here when I have some results :)
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08:35<krymzon>if anyone's interested in my basic modemmanager progress: I have now established connection with mmcli and manually added a default route through it. I can succesfully access the internet (also send sms, etc), still need to find a way to automate it in /e/n/i, especially the route adding
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08:39<krymzon>maybe it's possible to somehow get dhcp gateway from it, even though my address gets allocated through mmcli. I'll also look into doing it with networkd
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08:46<Guest148>ni shi zhu
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09:01<krymzon>good, it looks like it is possible to do normal dhcp ifup/ifdown after enabling and connecting through mmcli
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09:06<c01d>Hi there. I am on Jessie and just played with the kill command in the bash. The man page teels me, that "kill -L" should give me a list of possible signals to send. But "kill -L2 only gives an error ("bash: kill: L: invalid signal specification"). What am I doing wrong?
09:06<c01d>-2+"
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09:08<c01d>at a quite old ubuntu bts-page a similar thing is reported. should I report a bug via reportbug?
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09:09<c01d>uhm, forget about this. somehow there really is a built in kill command in bash oO ... /bin/kill -L works
09:10<c01d>sorry :-)
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09:11<c01d>anyway, should this kind of inconsistency reported? it is a relatively confusing circumstance imho
09:13<c01d>oh, now i found this in the man page: NOTES Your shell (command line interpreter) may have a built-in kill
09:13<c01d> command. You may need to run the command described here as
09:13<c01d> /bin/kill to solve the conflict.
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10:04<da2>Hi, how can I make wget to download the file tar.gz ? In a browser the download works, but wget downloads a html file. wget http://git.openbox.org/?p=dana/openbox.git;a=snapshot;h=1a9f697fe96145809f1ace900b01e06a58973203;sf=tgz (this is openbox snapshot 3.5.2)
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10:11<themill>da2: are you remembering to put that URL in quotes?
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10:11<da2>no I don't
10:11<markybob>da2, wget -O openbox.tgz "http://git.openbox.org/?p=dana/openbox.git;a=snapshot;h=1a9f697fe96145809f1ace900b01e06a58973203;sf=tgz"
10:12<da2>thanks both, it works fine
10:12<da2>stupid mistake ^^
10:13<themill>:)
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10:15<da2>I found how to fix a bug in Debian LXDE, about applications startup notification not working. I'm preparing the bug report. ^^
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10:19<EmleyMoor>I'm having trouble with LibreOffice Writer and my Lexmark CS410dn. I want to print labels - they need to be done "not duplex" and preferably from the manual feeder, but try as I might, I can't make those settings "take" and it persists in duplexing on paper from the tray.
10:20<markybob>EmleyMoor, try #libreoffice channel at irc.freenode.net
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11:07<plm>hi there. i'm installing debian on a local server. i did the whole installation and configured a raid1 on my 2 disks. but i had troubles with grub installation.
11:07<markybob>plm, uefi? or what trouble?
11:07<plm>now i'm in rescue mode. i tryed to install grub on /dev/md0 but i had a "fatal error".
11:08<plm>i've a /boot partition. have i to install grub in it?
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11:16<plm>i'm trying to install it on a pendrive with the rescue tool (/dev/sdc1) but i always obtain a "fatal error" exit code 1
11:17<markybob>plm, you still didn't answer the uefi question
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11:18<plm>the system has uefi enabled, but nothing speaks about troubles remonting to it.
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11:19<markybob>plm, are you using secure boot?
11:19<markybob>plm, did you install via the live installer?
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11:20<plm>i don't remember at moment if secure boot is enabled (i think no, however). i installed the system from a netinstall cd.
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11:27<plm>markybob, now i can confirm: the secure boot is disabled, the boot mode is Auto (uefi first), the quick boot is enabled.
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11:28<markybob>plm, change your boot mode from auto and don't use live install
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11:29<mallas>hello everybody!
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11:31<plm>from auto to? (legacy only or uefi only)
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11:31<plm>and what have i use to install?
11:31<mallas>lol what u try install ?
11:31<plm>maybe a good idea disable QuickBoot option?
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11:32<mallas>no use fast boot... and legardy only... this is best options :D
11:33<mallas>why u want disable "quickBoot"?
11:33<bremner>otherwise it always boots windows
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11:34<mallas>yeah :D
11:34<plm>according to Lenovo's Forum, the quick boot disable some drivers and others to allow a faster boot
11:34<mallas>but who use fucking windows
11:35<plm># apt-get remove --purge windows :D
11:35<mallas>aah oukay if lenovo say it it is maybe good :D
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11:35<Raiz>Are there any third-party repositories for debian that allow the regular desktop user to have some desktop-compatible bleeding edge software to be installed without handling the pain of the Debian's frozen software?
11:36<Raiz># apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove windows
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11:36<bremner>heh. nice neutral way to ask teh question
11:36<Raiz>LOL
11:36<bremner>Raiz: anyway, have a look at backports.debian.org
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11:36<Raiz>I'm a Gentoo user, but I love Debian, and I guess it would be cool if we made a community repository
11:36<markybob>Raiz, debian does have a backports repository
11:36<Raiz>Backports have the same issue
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11:37<bremner>*shrug*
11:37<markybob>msg dpkg tell raiz about backports
11:37<plm>Raiz, :D
11:37<Raiz>I know the backports
11:37<Raiz>LOL
11:37<Raiz>but redeclipse was 1.4 for ages even in the unstable branch
11:37<bremner>Raiz: well, Debian is a community repository, and can always use help
11:38<Raiz>Nope, once you develop a package it should go through unstable > testing > stable
11:38<Raiz>3 years...
11:38<markybob>Raiz, yes. it's called stable for a reason
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11:38<Raiz>I guess, Debian third-party is a cool name for a community repository :P
11:38<markybob>that no one in their right mind would support
11:38<bremner>Raiz: please don't use Debian in the name
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11:39<markybob>he legally can't
11:39<Raiz>ebian is a registered trademark of Software in the Public Interest, Inc.
11:39<Raiz>You're right
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11:39<bremner>yes, I prefer to ask nicely.
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11:54<aboudea>السلام عليكم
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11:59<SynrGy>!arabic
11:59<dpkg>مرحبا! للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية لتوزيعة دبيان جنو\لينيكس , الرجاء التوجه الى قناة ##debian-ar
11:59<SynrGy>^^ that's on irc.freenode.net
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12:00<SynrGy>also #debian-ir @ irc.freenode.net for persian
12:01<Raiz>!english
12:01<dpkg>English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope).
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12:04<aboudea>كيف اسجل بي debian-ar
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12:05<SynrGy>aboudea: /server irc.freenode.net
12:05<SynrGy>aboudea: /join ##debian-ar
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12:08<earthcentre>greetings
12:08<earthcentre>I am totally new to debian
12:08<earthcentre>and linux actually as well
12:09<earthcentre>I have installed the first disc, how to update debian ?
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12:09<musca>welcome earthcentre
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12:09<earthcentre>what I actually need most now is, a way to get some wifi drivers
12:09<earthcentre>thanks musca
12:09<musca>Which disc did you use?
12:09<earthcentre>iso one of three
12:09<earthcentre>from september
12:10<musca>earthcentre: in general drivers are included in the linux kernel
12:10<earthcentre>maybe I should burn the others and try and install again
12:10<musca>no
12:10<earthcentre>ahh ok, but my wifi is not working
12:10<SynrGy>earthcentre: that's usually because you're missing firmware
12:10<musca>yes, some devices need a non-free firmware for the free driver
12:10<earthcentre>yes indeed
12:10<SynrGy>note, firmware is not the same thing as drivers
12:11<earthcentre>ok
12:11<SynrGy>earthcentre: lspci -nn | grep -i network
12:11<SynrGy>earthcentre: that will identify which device you have
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12:11<SynrGy>then we can look that up and say what firmware you need
12:12<SynrGy>specifically, we need to know the pciid (the thing in square brackets at the end)
12:12<SynrGy>e.g. i have 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002b] (rev 01)
12:12<SynrGy>its pciid is [168c:002b]
12:13<earthcentre>ctrl C to copy ?
12:14<jhutchins>earthcentre: Do you have a wired connection?
12:15<SynrGy>in most terminal programs, that sends a ctrl-C to the application running in it ...
12:15<SynrGy>ctrl-shift-C maybe
12:15<SynrGy>depends on the terminal
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12:15<earthcentre>yesm otherwise I wouldnt be on here
12:15<SynrGy>!nopaste
12:15<dpkg>nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste".
12:16<SynrGy>you can install that, and then use it to pipe command output to a pastebin where we can see it
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12:16<SynrGy>(and that's recommended for anything more than very small amounts of output anyway)
12:17<SynrGy>earthcentre: so, for example (once you've installed it): lspci -nn | nopaste
12:17<earthcentre>thanks guys, I am trying to find one of the symbols on this keyboard, seems a little different layout than in windows
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12:20<oct>huh you cant access emergency mode if root is locked... thats new
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12:25<earthcentre>I cannot find how to write the vertical line
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12:27<oct>earthcentre: on the UK layout its next to the enter key
12:27<earthcentre>normally I will hit alt.gr and Z´´´´´´´^^^^ˇˇˇ
12:28<earthcentre>I am using icelandic ;P
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12:29<SynrGy>earthcentre: if you can find the angle-bracket in the meantime, you can say: lspci -nn > log; nopaste log
12:29<earthcentre>isnt there somekind of on screen keyboard ?
12:29<SynrGy>yeah, probably. i never need it ...
12:30<SynrGy>then make it research for later to figure out the layout :)
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12:32<earthcentre>nopaste: command not found
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12:32<SynrGy>earthcentre: yeah, you need to install that. several lines back i gave the command ...
12:32<SynrGy>earthcentre: what about the key between Z and left Shift?
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12:33<r4f_deb>Hi all
12:33<earthcentre>that is where it should be, but on this lenovo keyboard it isn't...
12:33<earthcentre>oh well :)
12:33<SynrGy>fun
12:33<SynrGy>earthcentre: anyway, as root, apt-get install libapp-nopaste-perl
12:35<r4f_deb>I finished other new Debian Jessie Installation and did apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get upgrade and installed some packages - only use official and stable repositories here
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12:35<r4f_deb>I'm reading Debian Admiistrator's Handbook, chapter 7 and 8 finished
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12:36<r4f_deb>but, there is no specific task explained all long these chapters for configuration post installation
12:36<r4f_deb>is there any specific and necessary configuration to be done at this phase here ?
12:36<earthcentre>installed
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12:36<mtn>r4f_deb, normally, no
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12:36<r4f_deb>Hi mtn
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12:37<r4f_deb>so, can I use official repository and continue downloading and installing packages I need ?
12:37<mtn>r4f_deb, most likely, that is what it is for. also, research backports, which might come in handy, too
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12:38<r4f_deb>Other installations I did by the intuitive way; this one I pretend to run post installation activities through Administration suggestions and the debian handbook I am reading here, mtn
12:39<mtn>r4f_deb, ok, I don't know anything about that book, so can't help you there.
12:39<r4f_deb>backports, I see, mtn
12:39<r4f_deb>no problem, your suggestions are valuable also, mtn
12:39<earthcentre>ok gents, ladies
12:39<r4f_deb>backports is related to package management, right ?
12:39<earthcentre>thank for your help :) take care
12:39<earthcentre>:)
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12:40<somiaj>backports are newer packages (usually from stretch) compiled to work in jessie.
12:40<mtn>r4f_deb, yes, it is a debian repo that has newer software backported to stable
12:40<r4f_deb>Hi somiaj
12:40<somiaj>They are safe for the most part (They don't have the testing of debian stable, but they are designed to work with debian stable and have a little testing)
12:40<SynrGy>earthcentre: so, we didn't get to help with firmware. but hopefully with that hint you can solve it later?
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12:42<earthcentre>SynrGy
12:42<r4f_deb>oh, so it is not included in the official repositories I've saved in souces.list...
12:42<earthcentre>Ill try and come on later
12:42<r4f_deb>ok, mtn and somiaj
12:42<earthcentre>have a linux fever :)
12:42<r4f_deb>I will make this research here
12:42<r4f_deb>thanks a lot !
12:42<earthcentre>wanting to learn
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12:43<somiaj>!tell r4f_deb about jessie-backports
12:43<somiaj>r4f_deb: you will have to put a new repo in your sources.list
12:43<r4f_deb>somiaj, how much time do your system shuts down ?
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12:43<r4f_deb>yes, somiaj
12:43<somiaj>r4f_deb: I don't really know, I don't shut down my systems. My laptop takes about a min to run though the shutdown scripts mostly due to waiting for sagemath and some of my other services to shut down.
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12:46<SynrGy>earthcentre: yep. meanwhile, hope you get the keyboard sorted out :) did you configure it during the install or just accept defaults? /etc/default/keyboard should contain whatever special keyboard layout you need for Icelandic
12:46<SynrGy>earthcentre: it may be that you're using the default US layout with the icelandic keyboard, so everything's messed up
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12:49<r4f_deb>somiaj, how long have your Debian stayed running without interruption ? Some months ?
12:49<r4f_deb>More than it ?
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12:49<r4f_deb>How long has it been running without stopping ?
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12:55<earthcentre>that could be it, not sure
12:56<earthcentre>the install got messed up because I chose all the desktop versions.....
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12:56<earthcentre>synrgy, thanks again :)
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12:57<r4f_deb>Just to confirm, mtn and somiaj, do I have to include this line to my repository ? ' deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main 1
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12:57<r4f_deb>is that right ? deb http://httpredir.... ?
12:57<r4f_deb>httpredir - correct ?
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12:59<somiaj>correct, but not the '1' at the end of the line
12:59<somiaj>I'm hoping that was a typo
13:00<r4f_deb>oh, sorry, it was typed by accident
13:01<somiaj>Just making sure. Then it looks just fine. (:
13:01<r4f_deb>ok, so I will include this line to my repository, if it won't cause any problem related to security and stability....
13:01<somiaj>r4f_deb: nope, it actually won't even install any packages unless you ask for it
13:01<r4f_deb>I see, somiaj
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13:01<somiaj>r4f_deb: so apt-get upgrade will not automatically install packages from backports, you have to explicity ask for a backports package with, 'apt-get -t jessie-backports install package_name'
13:01<r4f_deb>Great !
13:02<r4f_deb>ok
13:02<somiaj>though once you ask for the package, it will keep it upgraded
13:02<r4f_deb>it is going to be upgraded a package I don't have installed here yet ?
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13:03<somiaj>nope
13:03<somiaj>jessie-backport packages will only be installed if you explicity ask apt to install it for you.
13:03<somiaj>But once you install a package from backports, jessie will keep it updated (if a new backport for that package is added)
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13:36<quentusrex>How would I reference a file installed to ./debian/pkgname/usr/bin/pkgname from the pkgname.install file?
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13:36<quentusrex>Seems to currently assume the files were installed to debian/tmp/pkgname/usr/bin/pkgname
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13:38<bremner>quentusrex: sounds like a question for #debian-mentors
13:39<themill>(there's also no need to do so)
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13:52<frozen_>hey guys. i'm trying to install postfixadmin on my debian server. but postfixadmin want's to remove mariadb and install mysql :/ am i able to change the requirements for this package?
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13:58<markybob>!tell frozen_ about equivs
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14:01<somiaj>!tell frozen_ about package recompile
14:01<somiaj>just in case frozen_ wants to build a new package.
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14:02<markybob>i wouldn't do it :/ just saying. gives you security update issues
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14:02<somiaj>yea, equivs will work. I'd at least submit a bug against postfixadmin to depend on the mysql virtual package
14:03<markybob>right
14:03<themill>postfixadmin doesn't depend on mysql that I can see
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14:04<somiaj>ahh missed it was just a recommends, but those are usually installed by default.
14:04<frozen_>markybob: thank u :) somiaj: i'm compiling enough on my gentoo client :D themill: but i would remove my mariadb
14:05<frozen_>it*
14:05<somiaj>frozen_: as themill pointed out, just intall with --no-recommends
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14:06<frozen_>somiaj: much better :) but it'll try to install postgresql client now o_O
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14:09<markybob>i'm having a problem backporting libtorrent-rasterbar8. https://paste.debian.net/340980/
14:09<markybob>using simple apt-get -b source libtorren-rasterbar8
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14:10<markybob>and yes, i did build-dep
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14:13<somiaj>,check-backport libtorren-rasterbar8
14:13<judd>No package named 'libtorren-rasterbar8' was found in sid/amd64.
14:14<somiaj>,check-backport libtorrent-rasterbar8
14:14<judd>Backporting package libtorrent-rasterbar8 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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14:14<markybob>somiaj, right. thus my confusion :P
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14:15<somiaj>,v libasio-dev
14:15<judd>Package: libasio-dev on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.4.1-3; wheezy: 1.4.1-3.2; jessie: 1:1.10.2-2; stretch: 1:1.10.6-2; sid: 1:1.10.6-2
14:15<themill>all judd can do is check if the listed build-deps are available not if they are right
14:15<somiaj>,v libbost1.48-dev
14:15<judd>No package named 'libbost1.48-dev' was found in amd64.
14:15<somiaj>,v libboost1.48-dev
14:15<judd>No package named 'libboost1.48-dev' was found in amd64.
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14:16<somiaj>markybob: what arch are you compling, and doing a stretch or sid backport?
14:17<markybob>somiaj, amd64. stretch.
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14:18<markybob>somiaj, libasio-dev did it. i'll file a bug report
14:18<somiaj>markybob: p.d.o just didn't return me the correct package. But I notice that the package that is complaing seems to change version betwen jessie/stretch
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14:19<somiaj>i.e. libboost1.55 is the version in jssie while libboost1.58 is the version in stretch, so I think you would have to backport that libary
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14:20<somiaj>I also notice that the header file you want is provided by both libasio and libboost1.X, so unsure if the libasio-dev is the best solution.
14:20<somiaj>but the one in your error log comes from libboost
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14:26<markybob>somiaj, it's working now. so i'll just file a report and let them worry about it :P
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14:36<r4f_deb>Debian Rules !
14:37<Marqin>r4f_deb: here - https://www.debian.org/social_contract
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14:38<r4f_deb>oh, Thanks Marqin !
14:39<r4f_deb>I knew about Debian Social Contract existence, but not its content, thanks !
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14:41<frozen_>this sucks, looks i have to go with ubuntu for my server :(
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14:41<markybob>frozen_, why?
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14:41<frozen_>markybob: postfixadmin requires mysql oder postgresql
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14:42<markybob>frozen_, what was your problem with equivs?
14:42<frozen_>i dont wanna use tricks like equivs :/
14:42<markybob>frozen_, okay.
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15:07<oscar>hola
15:07<oscar>que es esto? de xchan?
15:07<markybob>!es
15:07<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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15:56<frozen_>same shit on ubuntu :D so im going with mysql for now :(
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16:02<frozen_>now it isn't able to find nginx and want to install apache2
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16:04<bzed>frozen_: just use vmm instead. easy to use :) but needs some postfix and db knowledge
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16:08<frozen_>bzed: going into this tomorrow :( very bad debian isn't able to handle just some dependencies
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16:09<frozen_>package said apache2 or httpd, so httpd have to be use if nginx is installed. why the fuck is apt-get going to install apache2 now?
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16:12<markybob>frozen_, i don
16:13<markybob>frozen_, i don't think anyone's had this much trouble getting apache/db installed. you need to provide more information
16:13<frozen_>markybob: apt-get install nginx
16:13<frozen_>markybob: apt-get install postfixadmin
16:13<frozen_>going to install dependency: apache2
16:13<frozen_>this is everything i did
16:13<markybob>frozen_, that tells us nothing. pastebin it all
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16:14<blast007>frozen_: since it's just a PHP website, you could just install it yourself manually from upstream
16:15<markybob>yes but that would be stupid
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16:15<blast007>markybob: the alternative is for him to create a custom debian package for it anyway, so what's the difference?
16:16<markybob>blast007, i'm trying to get him to use us the real error. or use equivs like i said over an hour ago
16:16<themill>actual output we can look at rather than rants and swearing would be more useful
16:16<markybob>show*
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16:17<frozen_>http://pastebin.com/w8ry87xw
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16:17<markybob>great. i can't read that
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16:17<markybob>!de
16:17<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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16:18<blast007>!localized errors
16:18<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
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16:18<themill>try installing the php5 version you want first
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16:22<einojo>Anyone see the OpenSSL Security Advisory? https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20151203.txt
16:22<einojo>Is the wheezy package going to be upgraded to 1.0.1q?
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16:56<pron>hmm jessie-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages Hash Sum mismatch
16:56<pron>on apt-get update
16:56<pron>O_
16:56<pron>any ideas what to do?
16:56<manson>why debian hate code block?
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17:19<tiago_>hi
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17:19<retrospectacus>hi
17:20<tiago_>can u help me please
17:20<tiago_>?
17:20<retrospectacus>no idea
17:20<retrospectacus>!ask
17:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
17:20<tiago_>y like to be lpi certificated
17:21<tiago_>what the books is recommended to studdy
17:21<tiago_>?
17:21<tiago_>sorry for rule violation
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17:56<dutchfish>tiago_, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/lpi/101.html
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18:49<tiago_>tks dukfish
18:50<tiago_>tks <dutchfish>
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19:07<GoldenDracoa>Hello everyone, I need some help :/
19:07<markybob>!ask
19:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:08<GoldenDracoa>i've just installed Debian on a laptop, but the trackpad and the keyboard don't react
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19:10<GoldenDracoa>how do i fix it ?
19:10<GoldenDracoa>*please
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19:10<awal_>which laptop model, debian v...
19:11<GoldenDracoa>debian 8.2 on a Toshiba
19:11<awal_>DE...
19:11<GoldenDracoa>(Satellite C670/C670D)
19:11<awal_>kde, gnome...?
19:11<GoldenDracoa>i've installed Gnome and Mate
19:12<GoldenDracoa>i don't know wich one is the default, the setup just finished around 20 minutes ago
19:12<awal_>"default" is gnome
19:12<GoldenDracoa>okay :)
19:13<awal_>trackpad and keyboard worked during install, ofcourse, eh?
19:13<awal_>obvious :P
19:13<GoldenDracoa>trackpad not, but keyboard yes
19:13<GoldenDracoa>:p
19:13<GoldenDracoa>but just before i've first installed kali linux, and trackpad wasn't working during the install, but worked after. (I just don't wanted to keep kali :p )
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19:14<GoldenDracoa>so, now, with debian, it should work >.<
19:14<markybob>GoldenDracoa, and you're sure it's not just a matter of hitting f3? :P
19:14<GoldenDracoa>why ? xP
19:15<GoldenDracoa>@markybob (testing the MP :p )
19:15<awal_>GoldenDracoa, keyboard works in ttyX?
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19:16<davidbd>hello
19:17<markybob>GoldenDracoa, because f3 controls the trackpad on/off on most laptops
19:17<awal_>GoldenDracoa, no PM please, talk in room :P
19:17<GoldenDracoa>Buuuut why your name is red ? xD isn't it PM ?
19:18<GoldenDracoa>well, so, i can smash my F3 it doesn't change anything x)
19:18<awal_>username is resalted if included in the message in room
19:18<GoldenDracoa>aaaah okay ! :3 thank you xp
19:19<awal_>so, your keyboard just doesn't work when you in X?
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19:20<GoldenDracoa>well, right now the screen is black (cause it's waiting for me) but whatever i do, it doesn't show anything
19:20<GoldenDracoa>i restarted my computer, it show me an user to select, but i can't interact.
19:21<GoldenDracoa>So, i can't open terminal or anything
19:21<awal_>try booting with "boot: linux noapic nolapic"
19:21<awal_>reboot using reisub
19:22<awal_>if possible
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19:22<GoldenDracoa>i just have the default Grub starter, so i can only choose recovery mode or default mode
19:22<GoldenDracoa>what do i choose ?
19:23<GoldenDracoa>oh, i can open a terminal for here
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19:24<GoldenDracoa>okay so, my keyboard work in grub launcher (in boot selection and in the terminal)
19:25<GoldenDracoa>how do i reboot with your command ?
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19:28<awal_>it's there in grub prompt
19:28<awal_>look closely
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19:29<awal_>look closely and you find how to get to grub menu
19:30<GoldenDracoa>i'm on grub menu, but i've only 2 choice
19:30<GoldenDracoa>*choices
19:30<GoldenDracoa>linux, or linux recovery mode
19:31<GoldenDracoa>wow
19:31<GoldenDracoa>ok
19:31<GoldenDracoa>well
19:31<GoldenDracoa>it... just fixed
19:31<GoldenDracoa>after the third reboot
19:32<GoldenDracoa>soluce : restart computer till it work x)
19:32<GoldenDracoa>well, whatever, thank you for your help ! ^^
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19:41<Guest202>?
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19:46<da2>Hi I'm reading this tutorial about crypting home and swap (for my case), and at the end he explains how to store the key in a file in the root folder, so it is not necessary to enter the passphrase at boot. Is it secure? If someone steals the computer and can't login in, using another OS will he be able to uncrypt data if he find the key file? http://www.tecmint.com/install-debian-8-with-luks-encrypted-home-var-lvm-partitions/comm
19:46<da2>ent-page-1/#comment-718890
19:47<da2>sorry for the link : http://www.tecmint.com/install-debian-8-with-luks-encrypted-home-var-lvm-partitions/3/
19:50<markybob>da2 yes, they'll be able to get in.
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19:51<da2>markybob: ok, so is there a way to store the key in a secure way?
19:51<markybob>da2 you could store it in a usb stick that you keep on you at all times
19:51<markybob>da2, or just set a password :P
19:51<da2>markybob: yes I did think this ^^
19:53<da2>markybob: what do u mean by set a password?
19:53<markybob>da2, instead of using a key, use a password that you type in every time it boots
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19:54<da2>markybob: yes, I did
19:55<da2>markybob: I was just wondering about the author sentence : "All sensitive data stored in /home and /var partitions will be highly secured in case someone gains physical access to your machine hard-drive."
19:55<da2>:D
19:55<markybob>da2 they're wrong
19:55<da2>I understood
19:55<da2>I was suspecting it
19:56<da2>markybob: But it is more secure in case the robber knows about nothing in computers ^^
19:57<markybob>da2 i don't encrypt because i fear robbers. if that's the case you might want to buy a gun :P
19:57<da2>markybob: lol, it's on a netbook that travel a bit
19:58<markybob>so in that case you really want to set a password and not use a key
19:58<da2>yes
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19:59<da2>markybob: Thanks for the advices
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20:29<awal_>da2, set a password for your bios isn't a bad idea
20:29<da2>awal_: not really, cause u just have to remove hard disk
20:30<awal_>:D
20:30<da2>^^
20:30<awal_>100% security isn't possible as you know...
20:30<da2>yes
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20:31<r4f_deb>some days ago I asked about a program that is made to clean temporary tiles, and that could be used in Debian Jessie through its interface ( in my case, Mate here), but forgot the name of this program. Is there anyone who knows about this application for cleaning tmp files ?
20:31<da2>but the crypted home/swap, plus the unix login seems good
20:31<da2>if u don't store the crypt key on the disk... ^^
20:31<awal_>r4f_deb: try bleachbit
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20:33<awal_>or the kde one, sweeper
20:34<r4f_deb>does this application have a graphycal interface, awal ?
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20:34<awal_>sweeper needs a tone of kde stuffs, i recommend bleachbit
20:34<r4f_deb>I suspect that is the app I installed before
20:34<awal_>sure
20:35<r4f_deb>ok, so let me try here
20:35<r4f_deb>Thanks a lot, awal !!
20:35<r4f_deb>for Support !
20:35<awal_>you can run it as user or root (<<< being careful)
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20:36<r4f_deb>that is the application I needed, awal, just finished its installation here. Great !
20:37<awal_>good
20:37<awal_>you can do manually what bleachbit does, but it facilitate the job...
20:38<r4f_deb>I need to go now, Thanks a lot for help and attention, awal_. Very Friendly and Helpful are Debian Warriors here !
20:38<r4f_deb> I see, you refer to command line operation ?
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20:39<awal_>command line or removing your self unnecessary stuffs in /home
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20:44<almira>hi
20:45<r4f_deb>Bye awal_ !
20:45<r4f_deb>Bye All !
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20:46<awal_>ciao
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20:48<da2>bye
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21:13<Celelibi>Hey! ><
21:14<Celelibi>It looks like you're forcing systemd to be the init system.
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21:16*bremner looks blank
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21:26<Celelibi>Can I mark an uninstalled package as "hold" so that it never gets installed?
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21:30<Celelibi>I thought systemd would just be the default init system, not the only one available. Why did sysvinit become a "transition package" to systemd?
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21:36<bremner>Celelibi: I guess you want sysvinit-core
21:36<bremner>as the package description for sysvinit hints
21:38<Celelibi>Thanks.
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22:06<lbnx_>hello
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22:49<r4f_deb>I need a help: I've forgotten the link to paste outuput from command line, for it is not a common thing what is happening here
22:50<r4f_deb>several information that appear throuhg prompt continuously, and I'm not performing any specific task now in command line
22:50<r4f_deb>This new Debian Jessie Installation has less than 16 hours
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22:51<awal_>r4f:deb: you in tty?
22:51<r4f_deb>Hi again awal_
22:52<r4f_deb>what is tty ?
22:52<r4f_deb>sorry
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22:53<awal_>have you pressed Ctrl+alt+F1, 2...?
22:55<awal_>r4f_deb, ^
22:56<r4f_deb>I was absent here, awal_, sorry
22:56<r4f_deb>needed to leave out the room
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22:57<awal_>r4f_deb, "several information that appear throuhg prompt continuously, and I'm not performing any specific task now in command line" means?
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22:59<r4fkramer_>Hi awal_, I typed ctrl alt F1 as you suggested, graphical interface was interrupted
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23:00<awal_>r4f_deb: I dont suggested you to do that
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23:00<r4fkramer_>oh, I see, yes, you are right, awal_
23:01<awal_>was asking if you are in ttyX because i thought that systemd or linux was spamming you about I dont know what in tty
23:01<awal_>:P
23:01<r4fkramer_>oh, I see, awal_
23:02<r4fkramer_>no, awal_, I'm in the Mate graphical environment
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23:03<r4fkramer_>by the way, awal_, I'm only using official and stable Debian Jessie repository
23:03<awal_>your question isn't clear. you should be clear in your question and give more info. debian users here can't guess what happens in your machine....
23:04<r4fkramer_>let me explain you better: yesterday I had the same problem, and dpkg bot passed me one link to enter messages appear here in the prompt
23:04<awal_>this is not a pre-payed support :P:D
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23:04<r4fkramer_>for, it is a large amount of information, several lines
23:04<awal_>prompt?
23:05<awal_>in the terminal you mean?
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23:05<r4fkramer_>yesterday I was told to use this resource, for I can't paste this content here, and if anyone can't see this lines, won't really understand what I am facing here
23:05<r4fkramer_>yes
23:05<r4fkramer_>messages appear continuously in the terminal
23:05<r4fkramer_>does not import if I am running root user or common user
23:05<r4fkramer_>messages appear frequently, and don't finish
23:06<r4fkramer_>only if I type ctrl + C
23:07<awal_>what are you trying to do? you are using irssi or what the f**** :D
23:07<r4fkramer_>It is an uncomfortable situation, awal _ as it gives me the impression that there is something wrong with the system
23:07<r4fkramer_>well, let me explain again: yesterday I had the same problem, in other installation...
23:08<r4fkramer_>dpkg passed me some links
23:08<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, r4fkramer_
23:08<r4fkramer_>to paste the content for analysis
23:09<r4fkramer_>this resource exists in Debian Project, I used it yesterday by the first time; now, I need to paste these strange contents I told you they are happening here, in terminal
23:10<awal_>r4fkramer_, sorry I'm lost. I dont know what are you trying to do and what is your problem
23:10<r4fkramer_>for, it is a Debian Rule question: I can't paste these several lines here
23:10<awal_>are you using a command line app for connect to this channel and you have issues with dpkg bot?
23:11<r4fkramer_>you've never used this feature of Debian, you can copy and paste multiple lines on a link that is made exclusively for this purpose, so that the problem of what happens in the user terminal can be analyzed by those who provide support?
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23:12<r4fkramer_>ok awal_, I don't know what is happening here, but yesterday I had this solution; and I just need this link to paste these contents to be analyzed
23:13<r4fkramer_>thanks for your attention, I continue with the same problem here, but as I can see, you can't help me
23:13<r4fkramer_>so, thanks for your attention, awal_
23:14<awal_>r4fkramer_: sorry, no idea
23:14<r4fkramer_>forget about it, I thought you knew this Debian Support resource
23:14<r4fkramer_>and thank you very much for your attention
23:14<awal_>(Y)
23:20<r4fkramer_>Does anyone know the link to paste large amount of information of any problem (for analysis) that suddenly occurs, and that can be seen in terminal ?
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