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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-12-11

---Logopened Fri Dec 11 00:00:13 2015
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00:10<benjamin>have you checked visudo?
00:11<thejinx>yes, the sudo group is in there and everything looks fine
00:12<thejinx>It is very odd
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01:32<catern>thejinx: reboot?
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01:32<catern>thejinx: have you checked "groups" i.e. are you in the sudo group
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01:42<catern>thejinx: please don't unnecessarily PM
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01:43<catern>thejinx: given that the sudo group doesn't appear until you do the su twice maneuveur, reboot or just log out/log in again
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01:44<novanauliazami>can my netbook with resolution 1024x600, RAM 2Gb and processor intel atom 1.8 Gz use Debian?
01:45<novanauliazami>i'm used xubuntu now
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01:46<thejinx>catern sorry for the pm, I havent used irc for a long time
01:46<catern>that's fine :)
01:46<catern>just easiest to help in-channel :)
01:47<thejinx>how did you get the message to have my name in it?
01:51<thejinx>I will try the log out. I have worked around it by putting my user directly in the sudoers file. just found it very odd, my other computer did not have this issue
01:52<jm_>novanauliazami: well if it runs xubuntu ...
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02:00<tester1>hello, is there an application available in Debian where I can search multiple pdf file at once? In past I have used Adobe's Acroread with its "search folder" option but I cannot seem to something available natively for Linux.
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02:03<jm_>apt found this, don't ask me what it can do -- pdfgrep - search in pdf files for strings matching a regular expression
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02:07<tester1>jm_, thanks, I missed seeing it. It seems to be OK. Definitely better than nothing.
02:08<jm_>no problem
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03:02<blackburn>hey
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03:19<blackburn>msg blackburn im new
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03:21<jm_>why have you joined #debian?
03:22<blackburn>to learn
03:23<jm_>ok, good enough
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03:27<blackburn>what's the use of hexchat...?
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03:27<Raiz>Hexchat is an IRC client...
03:28<Raiz>http://hexchat.github.io/
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04:08<laughingtiger>hi, when using tab key to finish a command why some of them don't have a white space auto added behind the command? some of them do, like the aliases I defined. I m using debian 8 cinnamon, the best one I've ever experienced.
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04:10<jm_>laughingtiger: examples of each?
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04:11<laughingtiger>jm_, like ls, sudo, such commands need me to type a space manually.
04:12<jm_>laughingtiger: because there are other commands that start with sudo -- sudoedit and sudoreplay
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04:13<laughingtiger>jm_, mplayer is the only command on my machine, it don't auto add space either.
04:13<laughingtiger>has
04:14<jm_>laughingtiger: mplayer no longer exists in jessie, where is it from?
04:14<laughingtiger>I manually compiled it, from the site.
04:14<jm_>why?
04:15<jm_>try this then: mplayer<tab><tab> press the double tab quickly, what does it show you?
04:15<laughingtiger>because I m not get used to mplayer2
04:15<jm_>I recommend you to switch to mpv
04:15<babilen>+1
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04:15<laughingtiger>jm_, it only shows mplayer, the only one command
04:17<jm_>laughingtiger: then I have no idea why the shell doesn't add the space automatically, which shell is it?
04:17<laughingtiger>I m using bash
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04:19<laughingtiger>but thank you jm_ all the same. I didn't realised the first scenario.
04:19<jm_>I don't normally use bash but I can't get it to not add space with single completion
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04:21<laughingtiger>yeah, kind of strange although not a big issue. I will just ignore it.
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04:21<jm_>still, consider switching to mpv, it's very mplayer like
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04:22<laughingtiger>:D let me go to check it. thanks jm_
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04:27<laughingtiger>jm_, just found it out, I installed mpv, then found out there's a mplayer/ folder in my home directory, I deleted it, then bash auto adds the space to mplayer now.
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04:27<laughingtiger>very much thank you jm_
04:27<jm_>laughingtiger: ahh yeah makes sense, forgot about "dir in current dir" scenario
04:27<jm_>no worries
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04:28<jm_>so it was two completions
04:28<laughingtiger>yeah
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04:30<laughingtiger>ok see you.
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05:05<schofi>best alternative for matlab??
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07:03<sovtware>problem z virtualbox zainstalować nie zgodnosci i nie mam tego w Debian Testing w repo :/
07:04<sovtware>ale pozatym jest ok :-]
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07:05<sovtware>Debian *64 dodana architektura *32 i skype oraz inne rzeczy działaja :-] nie to co w innych dysbrytucjach robionych na Debianie Testing
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07:06<sovtware>szkoda tylko jeszcze ze paru programów nie zainstaluję ponieważ ich nie ma w menu po instalacji ale ta sie przeszyć
07:07<sovtware>Mam swój ulubiony pulpit graficzny Mate nie ma według Mnie lepszego pulpita
07:07<berto>!pl
07:07<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
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07:08<sovtware>dpkg sorry :-]
07:08<dpkg>sovtware: bugger all, i dunno
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09:31<sefru>Hi everyone! :) Usually when installing a program from the repositories, you can then run the program from the command line using the programs name. This doesn't always work, however. How am I supposed to know how to run such programs?
09:31<shome>What are you trying to install ?
09:32<shome>Maybe check into the package as well to make sure that it doesn't have a different name to call it
09:32<somiaj>sefru: dpkg -L packagename
09:32<somiaj>sometimes the binary name is not the same as the package. Sometimes a package provides multiple binaries
09:32<sefru>One example would be clamav. I have installed it, but when I try to run it form console wit command 'clamav', it just says the command doesn't exists.
09:32<shome>Z^
09:33<somiaj>sometimes the binary is in /sbin or /usr/sbin which is not in a default users $PATH
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09:40<sefru>Ok, thanks! I figured out that the command to use is clamscan. Thank you vey much. =)
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09:52<goloce>anyone onl ?
09:52<musca>yes
09:53<goloce>are you use jessie ?
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09:53<somiaj>This is the support channel for debian jessie, what is your question?
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09:54<goloce>I used to use Ubuntu before, and now I switch to Debian Jessie
09:54<goloce>I want a tool like Software Center
09:55<goloce>But I don't know what tool is alternate
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09:56<sefru>Atleast on the kde desktop there is a software called Apper. :)
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09:56<sefru>I think it reminds Ubuntus software center quite alot.
09:56<sefru>:)
09:57<goloce>thanks sefru, I will try it.
09:57<goloce>:))
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09:57<sefru>You are welcome.
09:57<musca>,info packagekit
09:57<judd>Package packagekit (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: Provides a package management service. Version: 1.0.1-2; Size: 530.9k; Installed: 2987k; Homepage: http://www.packagekit.org
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09:59<oct>is dovecot not installable for anyone else? and does anyone have any alternate imap servers to recommend?
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10:04<somiaj>oct: what version of debain are you running?
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10:07<hatenames>Hellow
10:08<hatenames>Anyone knows a system monitor for cinnamon?? for Ram/cpu/temp monitoring
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10:08<hatenames>As a desklet
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10:09<xtr>hi
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10:10<xtr>can anyone recommed a laptop module that can be used with a free / open driver
10:11<dvs>module?
10:11<xtr>wifi card
10:11<xtr>my bad
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10:11<xtr>*wifi module
10:13<hatenames>Last time i checked all the chipsets are listed here https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
10:13<xtr>thx
10:14<hatenames>Make sure to identify the chipset not the brand, i hope am not mistaken (;
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10:14<xtr> wow
10:14<oct>somiaj: jessie, apparently its dovecot-core, apt-get install dovecot reports that its not installable
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10:20<hatenames>Anyone knows a system monitor for cinnamon?? for Ram/cpu/temp monitoring, as a desklet
10:21<lostatwork>sure conky would do that
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10:23<xtr>is there away to get rid of all software that isn't included in one of my apt repositories? (/etc/apt/sources.list.d/) i've removed some non-free repositories and want to remove all non-free software?
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10:27<hatenames>How to start conky
10:27<joe-public>xtr: have you tried vrms?
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10:29<xtr>nah i was hoping apt would provide a feature to remove all software that wasn't linked by sources
10:29<JesperH>xtr: Try aptitude purge '?obsolete'
10:29<xtr>thx
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10:30<JesperH>And you can use search instead of purge if you just want to list them without doing any changes
10:30<xtr>that seems to work
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10:30<xtr>thank you
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10:33<shome>Do you guys have malware / anomaly scanners you ever run in the background ?
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10:33<shome>I have zfs on my linux machines that i'm sending logs to from clam, chkrootkit, and rkhunter as a little experiment.
10:33<shome>Thinking of creating cronjobs to run them
10:34<peter1138>Depends what it is for.
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10:35<peter1138>Most useful on a file server for Windows clients, and for ticking boxes for PCI-DSS...
10:35<peter1138>clamav is not particularly good at catching viruses and stuff though.
10:35<shome>Trying to learn what I can do to monitor threats at a malware level on *nix
10:36<peter1138>ossec can be useful, though it's not packaged in debian.
10:37<pc>hello all, anyone can recommend zabbix or cacti? which one you prefer?
10:38<peter1138>Depends what you want to do.
10:39<peter1138>cacti is simpler, but is only really about making graphs
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10:39<pc>just having a map with nodes, showing if alive or not
10:39<pc>something like naggios
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10:42<peter1138>probably zabbix is more suitable for that
10:42<peter1138>i'm using icinga2 for that
10:42<exer>never heard of it
10:42<exer>web based?
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10:44<peter1138>it's basically a fork of nagios, i believe
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10:44<exer>peter1138: thanks will check it out
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10:48<xtr>how easy/hard is it to steal an identity on irc?
10:48<xtr>wrong channel
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10:49<Airwave>This is very annoying. I have an old HP ProLiant server. HP has management tools to check hardware health, but they are proprietary.
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10:54<jelly>Airwave: otoh, web ui for iLO requires no installation
10:55<peter1138>It's not very automated, heh
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10:58<encfs>Does anyone here know how to make an encrypted disk's keyfile embedded in the initrd
10:59<xtr>Is it still true that alot of webservers / data-backends run linux? if so what distribution do they most of the time
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11:00<joe-public>xtr it's true. debian and centos are pretty popular.
11:00<markybob>xtr, most.
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11:01<markybob>encfs, crossposting isn't cool. i answered you in the other channel
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11:02<xtr>encfs what what kind of encryption?
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11:02<encfs>markybob: I thought these are two seperate channels, are they not?
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11:03<markybob>encfs, that's the definition of crossposting
11:03<markybob>!crosspost
11:03<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
11:03<xtr>why would you include a keyfile in the initrd though
11:04<Airwave>jelly: Yeah, but iLO is proprietary backdoor into the system, and I'd rather not use it at all.
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11:04<encfs>xtr: I have encrypted root and encrypted separate boot partition...
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11:19<blubee>hi guys I am trying to get hibernate to work, I get this error if I run hibernate-ram -n
11:19<blubee>hibernate:Warning: Tuxonice binary signature file not found.
11:19<blubee>i have installed a tuxonice-useri package and still a no go
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11:24<jelly>Airwave: all the other firmware on your machine is proprietary as well.
11:24<Airwave>jelly: Yes, but connecting iLO provides a network-connected proprietary backdoor.
11:24<Airwave>Way worse than all the others.
11:25<jelly>Airwave: which is why you connect it to a separate, secured segment.
11:25<jelly>with all the other management interfaces
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11:26<Airwave>This is a home network. The complexity of setting up a separate, secured network for one management interface is not worth the effort.
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11:29<jelly>Airwave: then connect it to the local network, inspect the state of the system, and physically disconnect it when you're done
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11:38<xtr>Does anyone have recommendation for a light-weight irc client i'm using erc at the moment but this thing doesn't even have tabs
11:38<xtr>thats a little to lightweight
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11:38<xtr>i'm running kde
11:39<hatenames>I am currently using xChat in cinnamon, it's perfect.
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11:41<shome>I love xchat
11:41<shome>Using it in xfce4
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11:41<adb>hm, in gnome xchat settings frame is too big to allow saving changes
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11:42<xtr2>yeah ok
11:42<xtr2>i can see this being ok
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11:42<hatenames>You timed out?
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12:04<xtr2>wow
12:04<xtr2>erc promoting itself
12:04<xtr2>gnu is so sellout
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12:05<seanw>xtr2: in bold font too! ;)
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12:08<Airwave>jelly: That works, but unfortunately not for setting up automated monitoring.
12:08<adb> /msg dpkg broadcom
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12:25-!-Yst is "Yst Dawson" on #guardianproject #moocows #oftc #debian-offtopic #debian-next #tor #debian #
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12:30<magmax>so was happened with this network, maybe are split
12:31<joe-public>doesn't look split from here, though I can't say for sure of course
12:31<magmax>* SynrGy se ha marchado (synthon.oftc.net graviton.oftc.net)
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12:32<joe-public>hmm, i don't see any split quit messages here, maybe just one server split
12:32<magmax>ok
12:32<magmax>im away
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12:39<xtr>hey
12:40<joe-public>hey.
12:40<xtr>is there a way to ensure all traffic is going through a vpn?
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12:55<ali>IDENTIFY
12:55*lostatwork is lostatwork
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13:05<SexyBamf>Does anybody have time to chat and help me fix multiple partitions on a laptop I received? I know nothing about partitions but know my way around computers
13:05<blast007>xtr: the information here could probably get you started on that, at least: https://airvpn.org/topic/9139-prevent-leaks-with-linux-iptables/
13:06<blast007>SexyBamf: what is wrong with the partitions?
13:06<exer>SexyBamf: might take a look at fdisk manual
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13:07<somiaj>exer: unless they are gtp parititions.
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13:07<blast007>we don't even know what is wrong with the partitions yet..
13:07<SexyBamf>Its not theres something wrong, I just see 4 different partitions. IDK which one has MAC OS and which one is supporting Ubuntu.
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13:08<SexyBamf>I honestly don't know where to begin researching
13:08<blast007>SexyBamf: are you using Ubuntu?
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13:10<SexyBamf>Yes, mind you I never heard of Ubuntu until last week. I received a powerbook g4 last week with no administrative access, no grub menu and the 4 partitions. I just finally figured out how to change the unix password.
13:10<blast007>!ubuntu
13:10<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
13:11<blast007>try the listed channel (which is on a different IRC network) that dpkg mentioned
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13:12<ali>guys
13:13<ali>how i can change my name ?
13:13<blast007>ali: /nick newname
13:13<ali>thanks.
13:13-!-ali is now known as Ali
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13:14<alilinux>guys,that's channel only for debian distro ?
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13:16<blast007>alilinux: if you're asking if this channel is only for Debian support, then yes.
13:16<alilinux>Okey, is debian support PPA in Jessie ?
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13:17<blast007>As far as I know, Debian does not (yet) use PPAs.
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13:31<alilinux>HELP REGISTER
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13:32<markybob>alilinux, /msg nickserv
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15:07<anarcat>what's the simplest way of setting up a pppoe uplink on my debian jessie laptop
15:07<anarcat>commandline or GUI, i don't care
15:07<anarcat>just for one test
15:08<anarcat>pppoeconf is being too smart (it's trying to find the PPPoE link, but it's not there yet)
15:08<markybob>anarcat, edit /etc/network/interfaces
15:08<markybob>anarcat, https://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE
15:10<anarcat>Run pppoeconf to generate and/or modify /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider, /etc/ppp/*ap-secrets files and /etc/network/interfaces.
15:10<anarcat>pppoconf failed already
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16:07<cviw>Why can't I vpnreviewer.com/ssh-socks5-tunnel-howtossh to the user I set on my server? I used this guide:
16:08<cviw>Oops. Meant: Why can't I ssh to my server?
16:08-!-scott_ [~scott@user-0ccssim.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #debian
16:08<cviw>This is the guide I used: vpnreviewer.com/ssh-socks5-tunnel-howto
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20:05<gt2908927>hello, sorry to disturb but i have a hard drive on wich i've debian, wherever i go, i plug it in, and boot my system ... but, when i tried to boot on an HP Probook 6570b, it didn't work.. any taughts about what might be the reason?
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23:32<aidalgol>How do I get a list of all packages installed from a particular source?
23:32<somiaj>aidalgol: aptitude search is very powerful
23:33<somiaj>https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html
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23:36<aidalgol>somiaj: So which one of those takes a repository, as opposed to an archive or section?
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23:37<somiaj>I'd play around, not sure as I don't use third party repos, so never experiemended with it
23:37<aidalgol>I want to find all packages installed on my system from the embedian repository, and it uses the same archive name as the Debian releases, so unlike Debian Backports, I can't simply specify the archive name.
23:37<somiaj>but look at origin, and they have an example for everything not debian
23:37<aidalgol>I thought embedian was an official repo.
23:37<somiaj>it could be, I wasn't sure what you were looking for
23:38<somiaj>think matainer would help? Know the matainer?
23:39<aidalgol>No, I don't. But this is a general aptitude search question, nothing specific to any repo.
23:39<aidalgol>I think ?origin is what I'm after.
23:39<somiaj>yea I'm unsure how detailed origin can be, the docs were tarse
23:40<somiaj>the other option is if this package is only in this one repo, remove the repo from your sources.list (comment it out), apt-get update and aptitude search ~o
23:40<aidalgol>yep, this works.
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23:41<aidalgol>What is the "origin" of a package? aptitude doesn't list it as a field when looking at a package's details.
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23:42<somiaj>you can look at apt-cache policy package-name (think it has something to do wiht this)
23:44<somiaj>yea seems to be the string/url for the repo. It is probabaly just doing a substring match when you search
23:45<somiaj>ahh looks like it could also be a string in the Release file you downlaod
23:45<aidalgol>oh, that thing
23:46<somiaj>yea you can find the release files here, cat /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release* and the insides will have the origin string for all packages from that source
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