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---Logopened Wed Dec 16 00:00:13 2015
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00:00<parrot>can I get help
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01:37<tp43_>Anyone have instructions for using an external sata drive?
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01:37<jm_>hook it up, find its device name, mount, use
01:37<jm_>but no, not anyone has those precious instructions
01:38<twb>Does linux-image-686 still exist?
01:38<tp43_>jm_, th
01:38<twb>i.e. for IA32 installs that want better than i386 kernel
01:38<tp43_>jm_, thx
01:38<jm_>twb: it does
01:39<twb>Then I must suck at searching
01:39<jm_>tp43_: dmesg will give you the details, or cat /sys/block/*/device/model
01:39<jm_>or cat /proc/partitions
01:40<jm_>twb: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-686&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
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01:41<twb>jm_: I just debootstrapped jessie and there's no linux-image-686 there only -686-pae and such
01:41<tp43_>jm_ it is sdb. so i am gonna try #mount /dev/sdb mymounts
01:41<jm_>twb: yeah only PAE variants these days
01:41<jm_>tp43_: it's probably not just sdb, see also /proc/partitions
01:41<twb>What kernel should I install on i386 installs for "I have a modern PC"
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01:41<twb>Or: what does d-i default to?
01:42<tp43_>Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05e3:0723 Genesys Logic, Inc. GL827L SD/MMC/MS Flash Card Reader
01:42<tp43_>Bus 001 Device 003: ID 05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB
01:42<twb>I know the soekris net5501 is IA32 but doesn't have PAE and can't boot PAE kernels...
01:43<twb>Eh, since I don't *actually* care I should just drop this vestigial support in my script for non-x86-64 builds
01:46<jm_>twb: Packages.xz has linux-image-586
01:46<tp43_>it supposed to just show up I think
01:46<jm_>tp43_: you are looking at lsusb no?
01:47<twb>jm_: yea don't worry about it
01:48<tp43_>I mean in thunar
01:49<jm_>no idea about that but I suspect not
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01:56<tp43_>It was the device, I got a second one and it worked automatically.
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03:00<ufayan>hi
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03:21<twb>How do I ask judd (or whatever) "why didn't selinux-policy-default make it into Jessie?"
03:22<twb>i.e. the RC bugs as at when Jessie came out
03:22<twb>Right now, that list is just #756729 but IIRC there were two others
03:22<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/756729 in selinux-policy-default (open): «selinux-policy-default: Setting SELinux to enforce results in not configured network interface at boot time»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-08-01; last modified: 2015-09-15.
03:23<twb>Hm, it's not in stretch either. Doubleplussigh.
03:25<twb>Tracker links to https://tracker.debian.org/news/311087 which looks relevant
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03:41<Pallas_Athena>test
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03:43<Pallas_Athena>Hello World! I need some advise.
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03:56<Pallas_Athena>Hello, World! I need some advice. I am trying to install Debian Jessie with the Pantheon Desktop Enviroment. It's not in the Debian Repositories but there are 3rd Party ones available (https://gitlab.com/pantheon-debian/pantheon-debian/wikis/home). I don't want any other desktop enviroment installed. So what I am thinking is to get some Debian Minimal Image, install a base command line system and the add the repostiories and inst
03:56<Pallas_Athena>Thanks for helping.
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03:58<pure>Pallas_Athena: try to use netinst
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03:59<Pallas_Athena>pure: How do I connect to a WIFI network using the netinst image?
04:00<pure>you can write firmware to usb stick and plug in while installation process
04:00<towo^work>or using unofficial installer immages which have firmware included
04:00<pure>installer will ask about firmware
04:01<Pallas_Athena>So there is an interface for that?
04:02<pure>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
04:02<Pallas_Athena>So I used lspci | grep -i wireless giving me: 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
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04:03<Pallas_Athena>Will i need to get a driver or does Debian ship that one. How could i find out myself?
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04:04<pure>Pallas_Athena: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
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04:10<Pallas_Athena>So I am using bcmwl-kernel-source atm. I found this. https://wiki.debian.org/wl . Will it be enough to have the broadcom-sta-dkms and wireless-tools packages for jessie on a fat32 usb stick?
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04:13<Pallas_Athena>Actually i found this http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/ . Is that all I need?
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04:14<Pallas_Athena>Thx for getting me this far already :)
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04:20<gxg>Pallas_Athena: Should be. I prefer to use the netinstall cd and then sideload the firmware using usb.
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04:20<gxg>It's fun to try and fail a lot. :P
04:21<Pallas_Athena>thx man
04:21<Pallas_Athena>I am happy to leave a ubuntu base behind...
04:22<gxg>Pallas_Athena: YES! Welcome home!
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04:24<Pallas_Athena>The Pantheon Desktop Enviroment was just to compelling so i left for some time. I really hope the word available at gitlab atm will become hosted by debian soon.
04:24<Pallas_Athena>Lost son returns...
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04:31<Pallas_Athena>Alright thx everybody. Printed the instructions I need to add repsoitories via command line and 4minutes till the .iso is loaded. THX. Let's do this.
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04:39<diego>hello, I'm trying to find Debian kernel release schedule... I have 4.2.0-1 and I'm waiting for 4.4 (Debian testing)
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04:40<jm_>as the topic says, support for testing is in #debian-next
04:40<jm_>experimental already has 4.4-something
04:41<diego>I dont need support, I just want to know if there is any page with estimates on kernel releases
04:41<jm_>obviously don't expect it soon in testing with it not being released yet
04:41<diego>to see if its worth it to upgrade myself or just wait
04:41<diego>like, if you tell me its gonna me 6 months, I dont want to wait, but 3 months ... I will wait
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04:42<jm_>uhh support as in questions regarding testing should be asked in #debian-next
04:42<diego>ok, I will join that one, thanks
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05:00<MarkedOne>Hello o/
05:01<MarkedOne>Where should i install servers like, apache, mysql?
05:02<jm_>you don't need to worry about where, package maintainers put it in correct place
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05:06<MarkedOne>jm_ but now i am not using package manager...i should only unzip archive.. and i don't think it should be unziped into /opt as they said
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05:08<duclicsic>why would they say to do that if it were wrong?
05:08<babilen>MarkedOne: Debian provides packages for those services. You should install those.
05:08<duclicsic>and more importantly, why are you not using the package manager?
05:08<babilen>Who are "they" ?
05:09<MarkedOne>Becouse it is glassfish from oracle.. and debian doesn't have packages for this in Jessie
05:09<babilen>What does that have to do with Apache and MySQL and why can't you install those using normal Debian packages?
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05:10<MarkedOne>babilen sorry... that was only for example...my goal is to unzip glassfish to proper place
05:11<babilen>But /opt could be a sensible place if they provide a tar with binaries in there
05:11<duclicsic>just follow the instructions that come with it then
05:11<MarkedOne>i have Apache, and Mysql installed but it is not in /opt like glassfish should be?
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05:11<duclicsic>if it tells you to put it in opt, do so
05:11<MarkedOne>hmmm
05:11<MarkedOne>okey then.. thank you
05:11<babilen>If you compile it I would place it in /usr/local and manage that with a tool called "stow", but they might just provide pre-compiled binaries that could live just as well in /opt
05:12<duclicsic>just make a directory in your home dir and install it there for now if you're concerned
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05:13<MarkedOne>okey.. just one last question.. what is difference between /usr/local/ and /opt
05:13<babilen>.oO( The path?! )
05:13<babilen>dpkg: fhs
05:13<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier".
05:14<babilen>MarkedOne: Read that ^^^
05:14<babilen>"man hier" should be enlightening
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05:15<jo019>Hi all!
05:15<MarkedOne>okey thank you :)
05:18<jo019>Getting an issue with an Auth middleware. Got an Auth middleware that checks if a user is logged in. But what's odd is that only the serverError handler is raised and not Unauthorised and I don't understand why it works like that.
05:18<jo019>Here's the code:https://gist.github.com/anonymous/2ac52fe468c6e24d26ff
05:19<jo019>Again, I think I misenderstand how to use all this.
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05:21<jo019>If a user should be authenticated, can I raise an exception using the Auth middleware and return a a $response-><withStatus(401) that uses a twig template?
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05:24<jo019>Oups.
05:24<jo019>Wrong channel
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06:09<maquis>Anyone else seen SMTP connections with certain(!) servers break with the new icedove 38.4.0-1~deb8u1 update on debian stable (reverting to 31.7 "solves" the problem but is no solution due to multiple known vulnerabilities)? I've seen this on 3 machines and can't figure out what's going on...
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06:14<jm_>maybe #807407 ?
06:14<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/807407 in icedove (open): «icedove: stable 38.4 seems to forget SMTP password, can't send email»; severity: important; opened: 2015-12-08; last modified: 2015-12-11.
06:15<bremner>I have a server under continuous password based ssh-attack; since passwords login is not enabled, I'm not that worried. Is there any point in running fail2ban as well?
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06:20<duclicsic>bremner: i wouldn't bother personally, it's a matter of preference though
06:20<duclicsic>i find fail2ban to be pretty bad
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06:28<maquis>judd: seen that, but it seems to be a different problem: a) changing to "Normal password" and STARTTLS solved the problem described in the bug report b) On the machines I've seen the error, the connection never get's to login authentication:
06:28<maquis>judd: Wireshark caps show that TLS client/server helo is fine, server sends Certificate and client drops connection (with FIN packet) upon receiving it before even going into key exchange
06:29<jm_>judd is a bot
06:29<maquis>jm_: oh sorry, didn't see your comment before judds...
06:30<jm_>maquis: can icedove send mail using /usr/lib/sendmail?
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06:34<akisam>when installing steam should I install the 32bit open gl libraries before the drivers ?
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06:35<maquis>jm_: interesting approach, haven't tried that yet. Do you know any docs to help configure such a setup? (Haven't got time to do it now, but will try out later)
06:35<jm_>akisam: what are you trying to do?
06:35<jm_>maquis: unfortunatelly not, I never used icedove
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06:36<akisam>jm_: I'm trying to install steam
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06:37<maquis>jm_: ok, I'll try it out tonight and report back here then, got to run now...
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06:37<jm_>akisam: on debian?
06:38<akisam>yes
06:38<jm_>try http://wiki.debian.org/Steam
06:39<akisam>that's what I read but I don't understand step 4 https://wiki.debian.org/Steam#Installation
06:39<jm_>you mean step 3?
06:40<akisam>the warning thing, Installing the 32-bit OpenGL libraries may uninstall the 64-bit drivers you may have previously installed. Installing the AMD graphics or NVIDIA graphics drivers for your system is recommended. The appropriate OpenGL library will be installed along with those drivers.
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06:40<jm_>and your architecture is amd64?
06:40<akisam>yes
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06:41<jm_>what happens if you try to install that?
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06:42<jm_>don't actually try to do it, apt will tell you what will be installed/removed etc.
06:43<akisam>it's already installed but steam says openGL GLX extension not supported by display when I try to launch it
06:43<jm_>and you do have nvidia driver in use?
06:44<akisam>how do I know ?
06:44<akisam>but I think so
06:44<jm_>!which gfx driver
06:45<jm_>!which video driver
06:45<dpkg>To show the video driver used by your X server «egrep 'Load.*mod.*driv|UnloadModule' /var/log/Xorg.0.log». Also ask me about <fglrx>, <nvidia>, <which driver>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
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06:49<akisam>!which gfx driver output is which gfx driver gfx driver and !which video driver output is which gfx driver video driver
06:49<dpkg>okay, akisam
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06:52<akisam>[ 14.425] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so
06:52<akisam>[ 14.470] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so
06:52<akisam>[ 14.492] (II) UnloadModule: "nv"
06:52<akisam>[ 14.492] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so
06:52<akisam>[ 14.494] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so
06:52-!-akisam was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
06:52<babilen>...
06:52<towo^work>f**ing optimus
06:53<babilen>Did somebody delete that factoid already?
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06:54<jm_>I have ;)
06:54<jm_>akisam: use the paste site -- /msg dpkg paste
06:54<babilen>jm_: Great, just wanted to make sure we get that
06:54<akisam>what's the paste site ?
06:54<babilen>http://paste.debian.net
06:56<akisam>thanks
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06:58<akisam>https://paste.debian.net/348345/
06:59<jm_>you are not using the nvidia driver
07:01<akisam>so I just have to run nvidia-driver ?
07:01<jm_>https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
07:01<jm_>but if this is really optimus you'll probably want to check out bumblebee
07:01<jm_>http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee
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07:03<akisam>I don't understand ...
07:03<jm_>read the wiki pages and it'll probably make more sense
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07:11<akisam>I don't know what I'm supposed to do
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07:16<duclicsic>akisam: what's the problem? the article on how to install steam states in big black bold text "Installing the AMD graphics or NVIDIA graphics drivers for your system is recommended. The appropriate OpenGL library will be installed along with those drivers."
07:16<duclicsic>it even provides some links that will get you started doing that
07:16<duclicsic>jm_: linked an article: http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee
07:16<duclicsic>that explains how to install the drivers
07:17<duclicsic>follow the instructions contained therein
07:17<duclicsic>then go back to the steam articule and continue where you left off
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07:18<akisam>I did what the steam article said, but steam isn't working
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07:19<duclicsic>ok, did you install the correct proprietary drivers?
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07:20<akisam>I don't know I just did nvidia-detect and nvidia-driver
07:20<akisam>then rebooted and here I am
07:20<Raiz>you need to do nvidia-xconfig as root
07:20<duclicsic>did it tell you to do that anywhere in this article? https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee
07:20<jm_>what does "did nvidia-detect and nvidia-driver" mean?
07:21<duclicsic>Raiz: NO
07:21<duclicsic>Raiz: that is explicitly not to be done
07:21<akisam>ran it in a terminal
07:21<Raiz>:)
07:21<Raiz>What then?
07:21<duclicsic>akisam: where did anyone tell you to do that?
07:21<duclicsic>akisam: read this https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee
07:21<Raiz>how will X11 be configured to use the nvidia driver?
07:21<Raiz>I was using the proprietary driver of nvidia
07:21<jm_>the wiki explains how to achieve that
07:22<Raiz>I followed the wiki :)
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07:23<akisam>duclicsic: in the wiki, I just thought it was a way to do it automatically
07:23<duclicsic>akisam: that article never says anything about running 'nvidia-driver' in a terminal
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07:24<akisam>https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#nvidia-detect
07:25<jm_>that's not nvidia-driver is it?
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07:26<akisam>when I ran nvidia-detect it said to install and run nvidia-driver so I did
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07:26<jm_>how did you do that?
07:27<duclicsic>i give up, it's lunch time
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07:27<akisam>I installed nvidia-driver and then typed nvidia-driver in the terminal
07:27<jm_>yes, specifically which commands did you use to install nvidia-driver?
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07:28<akisam>I did nothing else
07:29<jm_>you need to install the nvidia-driver package using the tool you normally use to install packages
07:29<akisam>and ?
07:30<jm_>and what?
07:30<bremner>akisam: pretty sure he's looking for an answer like "I typed 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver'"
07:30<bremner>or "I downloaded a zip file from the piratebay.se while drunk"
07:31<akisam>I typed sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver
07:31<akisam>and ran nvidia-driver
07:32<krrnnkz>in console or on piratebay.se?
07:32<akisam>console
07:32<akisam>who would look on piratebay.se for drivers ...
07:33<krrnnkz>never underestimate the power of stupidity
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07:34<akisam>I guess it's just as einstein said
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07:35<jm_>you don't run nvidia-driver as there's no such command, you follow instructions from the wiki
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07:35<EmleyMoor>I have a mobile connection managed by pppd on my router (a Debian jessie box) that does not seem to want to stay up when idle - it usually falls in 40 seconds or less when idle. I have not set any timeout. Is there anything I can do to make it stay up?
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07:36<akisam>so I just have to follow https://wiki.debian.org/Steam#Installation and then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus primus-libs:i386
07:36<akisam>right ?
07:37<jm_>EmleyMoor: have you tried using persist option?
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07:37<EmleyMoor>jm_: Yes. Connection still falls in 40 seconds or less if idle.
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07:37<jm_>if I were you I would first check if you need to use the bumblebee or regular nvidia wiki page
07:38<jm_>EmleyMoor: then maybe enable debug and see if it gives you more clues
07:38<akisam>how can I know ?
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07:41<EmleyMoor>jm_: How to enable debug these daysL
07:41<EmleyMoor>?
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07:42*EmleyMoor guesses just add it to the peer file
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07:43<jm_>EmleyMoor: "debug" in options
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07:45<akisam>how do I know if I have to use bumblee drivers or just nvidia drivers ?
07:45<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... when it hangs up instantly on connect, it seems to be due to "invalid protocol 0xd received"
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07:46<EmleyMoor>... and when it goes off when idle, it's being terminated by the peer
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07:49<jm_>maybe also try the lcp-echo-interval option
07:50<jm_>if this fails then contacting the provider is probably the best option
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08:13<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... looking like my dongle has some kind of internal idle timeout - how can I track that down?
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08:24<newARM>What is the Debian way to migrate a Jessie x86_64 server to an ARM based machine?
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08:36<akisam>I'm trying to install steam and drivers https://wiki.debian.org/Steam at step 4 it ays to install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 should I still install it if I need to use bumblebee drivers ?
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09:04<chaos>how do i create an ssh tunnel for mysql<
09:04<chaos>?
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09:23<Selina>hi everyone. I just added a i386 arch to my 64 bit debian apt (using dpkg --add-architecture) to install skype. My doubt is: next time I install any app, this is going to download from 32bit repo, or 64bit? or the newest one?
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09:24<musca>Selina: from the default architecture
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09:25<Selina>how can I find the default one?
09:25<Selina>is it from system? or I have to set it?
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09:27<musca>Selina: you can check your non-default architectures with: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
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09:28<Selina>non-default shows i386, so that means my default is still x64
09:28<Selina>so if I _want_ to install a i386 package, I would have to specify (like apt-get install package:i386)? is that right?
09:28<nex_necis>Selina: by default apt install from standard architecture, if you want to install something for i386 you must add :i386 at the end of package name (e. gimp:i386)
09:28<nex_necis>yes
09:28<Selina>ok, thanks a lot musca :)
09:28<musca>dpkg --print-architecture
09:28<dpkg>sh
09:29<musca>uhmm, i triggered the bot
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09:29<Selina>lol
09:29<Selina>sorry, my fault :)
09:29<musca>np
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10:08<glados>hi guys. Got a problem with ssh: from a server I can't ssh to any other as a normal user. ssh -vvv gives "key_load_public: No such file or directory" problems. However, those files aren't there because they don't need to be - I'm authenticating over password. Any ideas?
10:09<omixam>I'm getting the error when I tried to open gui from root terminal No protocol specified. Could not connect to display :0
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10:09<Brigo>glados, http://superuser.com/questions/962888/what-does-key-load-public-no-such-file-or-directory-mean
10:10<Brigo>omixam, did you login the X sesion as root?
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10:11<omixam>I login as normal user and then login from terminal to root
10:11<glados>Brigo, the problem is there are no files other than known_hosts in my ~/.ssh/ as there is no key-authentication, just password
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10:12<Brigo>omixam, you can't do that, use sudo, gksudo or somethink like it.
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10:12<PeakingInLife>Literally just got debian today, first time linus user. Is wiki the best place to start in terms of getting used to things or are they some other good resources out there?
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10:13<Raiz>PeakingInLife: s/linus/linux, Yes, the Debian wiki is a good place
10:13<Brigo>PeakingInLife, there is a user manual too.
10:13<omixam>Really? I'm having 2 years using Debian and this ever I do that.
10:13<PeakingInLife>ok great will have a look through. Pretty daunting initially
10:14<Brigo>PeakingInLife, why?
10:15<PeakingInLife>just because nothing seems simple right now in terms of accessing anything that isn't pre-installed
10:15<Brigo>PeakingInLife, for example?
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10:15<Raiz>PeakingInLife: Yes, the Debian dudes make everything complicated even if it's simple. you can ask us if you have any issue
10:16<PeakingInLife>using the terminal to install packages, I only have base install from usb image so i think I am maybe missing a bunch of stuff that would make my life easier?
10:16<Raiz>So you have a terminal-only install?
10:17<Brigo>PeakingInLife, of course you are, why have you only installed the base system?
10:17<jmlongo>not a great way to start using Linux ;)
10:17<PeakingInLife>well I am not sure if it is only terminal install, but during installation it said something about base only, I wasn't necessarily intending to only install base :/
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10:17<Raiz>PeakingInLife: you can choose a Desktop environment now
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10:18<Brigo>PeakingInLife, do you know something about desktop environment as gnome or kde or so?
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10:18<PeakingInLife>I was just reading the wiki on desktop environment, is gnome the best to install?
10:19<jmlongo>now is when we start arguing which one should be picked! ;)
10:19<Brigo>hardly if you ask me :D
10:19<Raiz>I guess yes
10:19<Raiz>I recommend MATE
10:19<Raiz>It's cool and easy for use out-of-the-box
10:19<PeakingInLife>haha good point jmlongo!
10:19<Brigo>me too, mate is more windows like.
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10:19<PeakingInLife>OK I guess I will do some research on
10:19<PeakingInLife>each one and then decide
10:20<Brigo>PeakingInLife, as root apt-get install mate-desktop will help you a lot
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10:20<Raiz>https://wiki.debian.org/Mate
10:20<jmlongo>you can start with that one ... and always change to test the others
10:20<Brigo>and from there you can choose another DE, if you like.
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10:21<PeakingInLife>ok thanks to get root is su?
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10:23<Raiz>yep
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10:24<glados>any idea about the ssh issue?
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10:24<PeakingInLife>ok thanks @raiz
10:24<oct>When booting with mdadm set to not finish loading the volumes till the later part of the boot process(or one of the arrays fails to load) it makes netfilter-persistent to fail to run, pesumably because of the local-fs.targe unit dep, is there a way to change this since it poses a security risk?
10:24<Raiz>Np
10:24<oct>s/targe/target
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10:25<Brigo>oct, fixingthe array?
10:25<Bobbix>Hi to all, please help, i've a .desktop file under /usr/share/applications BUT i don't see the entry in the menu lists.
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10:25<Brigo>fixing the array
10:25<Brigo>Bobbix, try update-menus
10:25<Bobbix>Brigo, It's a package?
10:25<oct>Brigo: array failures do not put a red flag when they happen, I would rather that my firewall isnt completely destroyed everytime something happens with the storage
10:26<Brigo>Bobbix, a command
10:26<tzafrir>What can I use to run on my local system (Testing) that will allow me to run (for testing) mysql and some other services in a chroot?
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10:26<Bobbix>Brigo, i've already restarted the system with no result.
10:26<Brigo>tzafrir, lxc
10:26<tzafrir>schroot no longer allows that with systemd
10:26<Bobbix>Anything i install i don't see in the menus
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10:27<tzafrir>I tried lxc, but I get odd errors and mysql fails to install. Likewise with systemd-nspawn
10:27<Brigo>Bobbix, restart the system don't run update-menus, run it yourself as root.
10:27<Bobbix>Brigo, update-menus launched with no changes
10:27<Bobbix>ok whait
10:27<Bobbix>wait
10:27<mimili>xD
10:28<Brigo>tzafrir, i have installed it without problems ...
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10:28<Bobbix>Brigo, Launched as SU, but nothing have changed
10:29<Brigo>oct, i can't see how you can avoid the dependecy in local-filesystem, Try asking in #debian-systemd
10:29<Bobbix>I've a lot of entries .desktop under usr/share/applications but i don't see the relative entry in the menu.
10:29<oct>Brigo: the problem is more like how to avoid mdadm marking the local filesystem as not ready when the root fs is not in an array
10:29<Bobbix>One example is xchat (that i'm using)... i use LXDE
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10:30<oct>the netfilter part is perfectly resonable that it depends to the fs
10:30<Bobbix>I've started xchat from terminal (no link on menu but .desktop present).
10:30<Bobbix>I'm the only one with this kind of problems? Debian 8.1
10:31<Brigo>Bobbix, as far as i know, yes, you are the only one. By the way, you can update debian to 8.2
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10:33<Bobbix>I', very lucky... every time i ask if i'm the olny one... i receive every time the same answer... yes. :-)
10:33<Brigo>Bobbix, do you have menu-l10n and menu packages installed?
10:33<Bobbix>no, at all
10:33<Bobbix>i've to install?
10:34<Brigo>at least menu package, i think
10:34<Bobbix>menu is already installed
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10:35<Brigo>Bobbix, did you try another DE?
10:35<Brigo>may be is a problem with LXDE you are missing some package or so.
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10:35<Bobbix>no... i want to use LXDE for limitated resources (I'm in a virtual machine)
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10:37<Bobbix>I've installed menu-l10n and done a update-menus... nothing.
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10:37<Bobbix>if i launch menulibre i see the desired entry.. but i don't see on the real menu on the start button ( :-) )
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10:37<Bobbix>Pheraps the entry is discarded?
10:38<Bobbix>maybe
10:38<mimili>Bobbix: parlare spagnolo????
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10:38<Bobbix>no, bad translation from italian . please excuse me
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10:41<Bobbix>Other good ideas?
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10:42<Bobbix>I try an upgrade to the 8.2. i HOPE can help.
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10:44<bremner>what's the magic group to let non-root users run journalctl (well, run it more usefully). is that systemd-journal?
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10:47<duclicsic>bremner: yes
10:47<duclicsic>it's in the man page for journalctl
10:47<Bobbix>Brigo, some other try? I'm upgrading now
10:47<bremner>duclicsic: thanks. I guess I skimmed too fast.
10:48<Brigo>Bobbix, i would check the LXDE packages, lxde miss package would be my best bet.
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10:50<bremner>hah. then it turns out exim4 logs only to files by default
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10:58<rlenti>Brigo, OK, it's official, i've duplicated an existing entry (clipit as clipit2) changing the internal name too. I've done a update-menus BUT nothing change in the menu list... so ther's a malfunction
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11:08<mimili>hi
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11:09<Brigo>rlenti, are you formet bobbix?
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11:17<rlenti>Brigo, ?
11:18<Brigo>rlenti, i was talking about menu entries with bobbix few minutes ago :)
11:19<rlenti>y i'm (xchat change nick reading my username :-) (sorry)
11:21<rlenti>I'm on 8.2 now, but i've the same problems... menu won't change at all, ever if i duplicate any existing entry
11:22<Brigo>i don't know what is happening, try update-menus -v and see.
11:22<rlenti>Brigo, have you any idea of why menu entries are so frozen to original ones?Every program i install (with Synaptic) i don't see the relative menu entry
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11:23<rlenti>Nothing! Thanks for help... i will try other ways
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11:23<Brigo>rlenti, there is a --debug too :)
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11:43<rlenti>I quit now... thanks Brigo for help.
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12:19<tp43_>anyone tried a core 2 quad. Seems to be slow for me
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12:40<mimili>haha
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12:42<tp43_>i installed pepper flash and it is ok now
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12:51<lambda-11235>Are only even clojure releases packaged? Will 1.7 not be packaged?
12:52<lambda-11235>Also is there a better channel to ask about clojure related packaging topics?
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13:31<mimili>
13:31<mimili>hi
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13:33<abrotman>mimili: Please don't make us go through this again
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13:33<abrotman>mimili: and there won't be another warning
13:34<mimili>bye
13:34<mimili>:)
13:35<mimili>warning?????
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13:36-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@host221.190-137-58.telecom.net.ar] by abrotman
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13:37<Pallas_Athena>Hello people. I have sucessfully installed a debian jessie minimal system with the firmware-netinst iso. Now I want to install additional packages. Sadly I can't find out how to connect to this internet on a command line only system. How do I do that?
13:37<Pallas_Athena>Thanks for any help.
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13:39<oct>Are there any news on a new point release?
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13:56<sacioz>Hi all
13:56<sacioz>Just stickbeaking a bit
13:56<jmlongo>hey sacioz
13:56<sacioz>hey jml
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13:58<edutzu-debian>salut :D
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13:59<sacioz>edz-deb ))
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14:01<sacioz>off for the time being , bye all
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14:13<javier>Hi, can someone help me with a dmesg error?
14:13<javier>http://paste.debian.net/348638/
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14:16<Aquarius>Hello. I have debian wheezy on my laptop "A" for about a year now. Mainly worked by means of a GUI LXDE. I have another laptop "B" to play with now, so I installed Jessie but without a GUI. I working with bash shell to learn more linux commands and maintain a linux machine. I do this by means of http://www.aboutdebian.com/index.htm .
14:16<Aquarius>On my "B" I installed ftpd-ssl. According to the site I can access "B" by means of a ftp command. A login should be asked. But that is not the case. I get the following message after a Connected to 192.168.0.199:
14:16<Aquarius>Error loading /etc/ftpd-ssl/ftpd.pem: 140072457369232:error:02001002:system library:fopen:No such file or directory:bss_file.c:398:fopen('/etc/ftpd-ssl/ftpd.pem','r)'
14:16<Aquarius>What /etc is it about? Machine "A" or "B"? And what to do about it?
14:16<Aquarius>I am just trying to make connection, nothing else yet.
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14:19<javier>Hi, can anyone help me with a dmesg error?
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14:19<javier>http://paste.debian.net/348638/
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14:27<Pallas_Athena_>Heyo. Is there a way to make the networks configured for a debian minimal netinstallation available in the installed command-line system. say, make them persist?
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14:34<Aquarius>Hello. I have question described in: http://paste.debian.net/348654/ Any help would be appreciated!
14:36<kernelcorn>hi guys, I'm trying to set up a seedbox in Debian. I've installed transmission-daemon and it was working fine when it downloaded torrents, but when I restarted the daemon, it's no longer seeding. Any ideas?
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14:45<brentaarnold>Does anyone have an issue in Chrome/Debian 8 where after an extended uptime the browser becomes very slow? I've got about eight or nine Chrome windows open at a time and over time they all become strangely slow and unresponsive.
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14:45<peter1138>Chromium? or Chrome?
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14:46<brentaarnold>Chrome
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14:47<kernelcorn>you may be running out of RAM
14:47<lostatwork>yeah chrome will eat it all
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14:48<kernelcorn>all your RAM is belong to us
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14:49<kernelcorn>"strangely slow and unresponsive" most likely points to massive paging (out of RAM) or a slow GPU/driver
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15:02<Black-Ink>what news on debian jessie ?
15:04<lostatwork>it works and it is stable
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15:05<Black-Ink>any recomended distro for pentest with debian jessie basic ?
15:05<kernelcorn>Kali Linux
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15:06<Brigo>debian live maybe?
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15:07<Black-Ink>i wanna try kali linux , but my connections very2 slow :3
15:07<Black-Ink>i m a backbox user
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15:09*Black-Ink so sleepy
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15:11<wompa>start a torrent download shortly before you go to sleep and since it's torrent it's easy to pause/resume whenever
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15:17-!-Yst is "Yst Dawson" on #guardianproject #moocows #oftc #debian-offtopic #debian-next #tor #debian #
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15:25<Lemmatum>heya, I've been trying to compile linux kernel 4.4-rc5 and didn't realize how much space it was going to occupy so the compilaton failed and now my /home is full. Any ideas on how to clean these files up?
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15:29<Aquarius>fixed my problem. Uninstalled ftpd-ssl and installed vsftpd.
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15:37<newARM>dnsmasq apparently listening on a bunch of UDP ports on all interfaces. Am I owned? https://paste.debian.net/348693/
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15:44<vezult>I'm trying to set up squid-deb-proxy-client....
15:44<vezult>it is supposed to find and use deb proxies using avahi
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15:45<vezult>however, the script ignores all ipv6 addresses, and for some reason avahi-browse -a returns only ipv6 records
15:45<vezult>on other hosts, it returns both ipv6 and ipv4
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15:46<vezult>I'm not really very familiar with avahi. Why would I only be seeing IPV6 records?
15:46<vezult>I'm on an IPV4 network.
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15:50<Megaf>Black-Ink: What do you mean by pentest?
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15:56<vezult>Megaf: "pentest" is short for "Penetration Testing"
15:56<Megaf>oh
15:56<Megaf>I'd say CentOS then
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16:27<R3K0N>#help
16:28<R3K0N>!link NetSec7
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16:52<claudio>hello
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17:26<Bobbix>hi guys, i'm here again, with the same problem... (no updates on my debian LXDE menu, no new entries). Please anyone think to solve this ?
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17:51<Bobbix2>HELP i've lost all menu entries on LXDE... i've cleared menu cache and this is the result.
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18:02<somiaj>Bobbix2: how did you clearn the menu cache?
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18:19<mecaru>hello!
18:19<mecaru>I'm having an issue with TOR & Debian, and I believe it has to do with the hw clock -- Does anyone know the terminal code to set it off the top of their head?
18:20<mecaru>Thanks in advance. :)
18:20<Brigo>mecaru, i doubt the hw clock is the problem, why do you think it?
18:21<mecaru>it's worked fine on here before. it's a live boot OS, & when I read the TOR logs, it says the sys clock is 4 hours behind theirs. It needs to be set to UTC, however it's changed now that I've run it on a different computer
18:23<mecaru>I've run into this problem before when I initially installed Jessie, but it was fixed by updating the hw clock
18:23<tp43_>i upgrade from a dual core or core 2 duo, i forget which to a core 2 quad and for the most part it is noticeably faster, but vidzi.tv videos used to play smooth on my old computer and now there are not smoot at all. I installed the same pepper flash. I think maybe on my old computer I installed chrome from website instead of chromium -but slow or not, I am not going to do that again. Anyone think maybe the difference is other than chromium vs ch
18:23<tp43_>rome browsers?
18:24<somiaj>mecaru: you can modify /etc/adjtime and let your system now the hardware is set to local time and not UTC time
18:24<Brigo>mecaru, you can't stop the hardware clock you have to set the system clock as it should be.
18:24<somiaj>https://wiki.debian.org/DateTime#Hardwareclock_.2F_Systemtime_.2F_Dual_Boot
18:25<Brigo>tp43_, it could be the graphic card acceleration (lack of)
18:25<somiaj>tp43_: might be a video driver issue, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what drivers are being loaded.
18:25*somiaj wishes his 'k' key wasn't going bad
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18:26<mecaru>If I set the computer to local time, TOR will not work. It needs to be UTC.
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18:27<mecaru>However even when the clock is set to UTC, the time is not UTC. It's a few hours off.
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18:27<somiaj>that seems strange, but anyway, set your hardware clock to UTC time then.
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18:27<somiaj>then your timezone is set incorrectly
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18:34<tp43_>Brigo, thx
18:34<tp43_>somiaj, thx
18:35<tp43_>firmware-linux-nonfree is for laptops right, not for video cards?
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18:36<tp43_>video plays smooth in iceweasel. it is a chromium issue
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18:42<somiaj>tp43_: it mostly contains the firmware for the ati video cards that the radeon driver uses
18:42<somiaj>tp43_: it contains some other firmware as well, but it isn't specifically for laptops
18:42<tp43_>somiaj, thx
18:42<somiaj>tp43_: check about:plugins and see what plugins chromium is using
18:43<mecaru>Sys clock is set, TOR working. Thanks a lot for everyones help!
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18:43<tp43_>somiaj, I only install dowload helper -let me see if there is anything else
18:44<tp43_>somiaj, show Chromium PDF Viewer and Adobe Flash Player
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18:56<somiaj>tp43_: doesn't sound lie you have flash installed
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18:57<tp43_>somiaj, hmm, its installed and working with iceweasel but not with chrome it seems right?
18:57<tp43_>--pepper flash non free
18:57<somiaj>yes you need the pepper flash package from contrib, maybe it failed to grab the flash player and install it form google-chrome
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19:02<tp43_>somiaj, not sure what to do or how to know which it grabbed. You know what, I just checked, only one of my sources included contrib -the volatile ones didn't, I added, I will purge it, update and re-install then.
19:03<somiaj>tp43_: is the pacage pepperflashplugin-nonfree installed?
19:03<tp43_>somiaj, yes
19:04<somiaj>tp43_: what does update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --status say?
19:04<tp43_>Flash Player version installed on this system : 20.0.0.228 \n Flash Player version available on upstream site: 19.0.0.245
19:05<somiaj>and you don't see pepperflash in the list of 'about:plugins' in chromium?
19:06<somiaj>also seems strange you have a newer version on your system than from the upstream sight
19:06<somiaj>no clue where you got that 20.0.0.228 version on your system from.
19:06<markybob>tp43_, are you using chrome? not chromium?
19:06<markybob>tp43_, chrome proper has 20.0.0.228 flash
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19:07<tp43_>chromium
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19:07<somiaj>tp43_: did you install pepperflash some other way that wasn't done via the debian script?
19:08<tp43_>I did apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree chromium iceweasel
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19:10<somiaj>tp43_: anyways I'm not sure why pepperflash isn't loading in chromium, you should see it in about-plugins
19:10<somiaj>also unsure why you have a newer version than the one the script nows how to find.
19:10<somiaj>you could try update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --uninstall
19:10<somiaj>then run that with --install and see if you get the version the script is designed to get and see if that integrates better
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19:11<tp43_>k let me try.
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19:13<tp43_>it happenned instantly -uninstall and install. Not like the first time I installed it -first time it went through a long check list
19:14<somiaj>now run --status and you have the version 19.0.0.245 -- that is what I'm using here
19:15<tp43_>same weird, install is 20, upstream has 19
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19:16<somiaj>well the script is designed to rip the version out of google-chrome. Maybe it is having an issue and ripping the wrong version out and that is causing an incompadiability
19:16<somiaj>you can add --verbose to the script to see exactly what it is doing
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19:25<tp43_>i just did a fresh install on a second computer and same 20 installed 19 available on upstream issue
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19:28<tp43_>My other computer is playing smoot
19:28<tp43_>smooth
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19:29<somiaj>well you said about:plugins is not seeing the plugin on this machine, but it sees it just fine on the other machine?
19:30<tp43_>no, about:plugins shows same on both
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19:31<somiaj>so you see the plugin?
19:32<somiaj>oh sorry missunderstood you, I thought it wasn't loading the plugin correctly.
19:32<somiaj>well if the video cards and plugin are correclty loaded I'm unsure what the issue could be
19:32<tp43_>Adobe Flash Player
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19:33<efecleon>hola
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19:34<popo>prueba+
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19:34<tp43_>I think maybe the ram is crap or these core 2 quads are crap
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19:35<popo>donde estoy???
19:35<somiaj>!es
19:35<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
19:35<popo>me he perdido
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19:43<efecleon>hi
19:43<efecleon>where is the vip?
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19:47<abrotman>the what?
19:49<efecleon>the vip
19:50<tp43_>debian installs different things for different hardware it seems. Like for example, I install xfce4 btw, on my one systems i have the new modern xfce start menu, and my other one i don't.
19:50<somiaj>just saying 'the vip' again doens't help us understand what you mean.
19:50<somiaj>tp43_: are you sure? It might be if you selected the laptop task or not.
19:51<efecleon>i cant find the vip, sorry
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19:52-!-Yst is "Yst Dawson" on #guardianproject #moocows #oftc #debian-offtopic #debian-next #tor #debian #
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19:52<tp43_>somiaj, seems so
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19:52<abrotman>efecleon: Good luck with your vip
19:54<efecleon>ok, thanks
19:54<tp43_>somiaj, oh you know what the difference is, I use aptitude to install btw, if you select xfce and hit + vs xfce->main and hit +, there are some differences.
19:55<efecleon>what is best irc client for love relationships?
19:56<abrotman>...
19:56<efecleon>im using xchat, i dont like it very much
19:57<abrotman>apt-cache search irc client
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19:58<efecleon>where can i find servers for dating women?
19:59<efecleon>in spanish language?
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19:59<efecleon>very confusing irc
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20:01<abrotman>efecleon_: Do you need help with Debian?
20:02<efecleon>i was looking for irc client easy to use
20:03<efecleon>perhaps konversation
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21:15<samsagaz>h1 guys, two months using debian jessie and very happy!, is possible to upgrade to Stretch?
21:15<samsagaz>possible and safe :D
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21:16<abrotman>samsagaz: we can't answer that for you, we don't know your usage patterns
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21:18<samsagaz>mm to upgrade just need to use deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free for example?
21:18<markybob>samsagaz, NO
21:18<samsagaz>testing :D
21:19<samsagaz>To upgrade to testing, if you have already installed the stable release, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list changing 'stable' (or the current codename for stable) in the apt lines to 'testing' (or the current code name for the next stable release). Additional changes in that file might be required. You may also do this with synaptic.
21:19<samsagaz>its what i found
21:19<markybob>samsagaz, it'll upgrade you. support for testing/unstable is on #debian-next
21:21<samsagaz>ok
21:21<markybob>samsagaz, you really shouldn't do it if you have to ask how to do it. just fyi.
21:23<abrotman>not testing either
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21:26<markybob>i assumed he was actually going to use "testing" and not "stretch" since he corrected himself. *shrug*
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21:28<markybob>maybe he knows about moving targets. i don't know
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21:52<Datz>Hi, I was looking for help with installing "lil' debian" on my samsung galaxy S3. I'm getting some errors.
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22:10<tp43_>I can just hot swap monitors these day np right, or should I reboot?
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22:10<tp43_>led is better
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23:20<ames>hi, I've lost the applet for network in the panel in lxde
23:20<ames>it's the applet that trigger the wickd
23:20<ames>I tried to add it trough the visual interface but the only availble network tool aren't giving me what I want
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