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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-12-17

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01:35<popnfloss>whats the difference between this and freenode
01:36<popnfloss>are people less douchey here?
01:36<popnfloss>because if so, i'm staying
01:36<ryouma>same people
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01:36<salad>is there a command I can run to list all missing firmware?
01:37<salad>occasionally I get messages saying "firmware for x device missing" or something like that, but I have no idea how to run that check manually
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01:40<jm_>salad: tipically a driver would try to load the firmware and print such a message
01:41<salad>so any way without rebooting the thing and quickly scrawling down notes while it boots?
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01:42<jm_>just run dmesg and read it again
01:43<salad>ty
01:43<jm_>no problem
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02:41<benjamin_>not really an urgent question. But I am having trouble with getting an effective grpahics drivers install. I followed the wiki and marked nvidia to be my X server in the install run-through. Yet I don't think the X server went through. And when I booted up a game to test it did run fast, but my card almost overheated in 2 minutes. STeam is also warning me of GLX issues with direct rendering
02:42<jm_>!which video driver
02:42<dpkg>To show the video driver used by your X server «egrep 'Load.*mod.*driv|UnloadModule' /var/log/Xorg.0.log». Also ask me about <fglrx>, <nvidia>, <which driver>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
02:42<jm_>what does it show?
02:42<jm_>remember, don't paste here, use the paste site
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02:44<benjamin_>pastebin?
02:44<jm_>!tell benjamin_ -about paste
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02:49<benjamin_>I got this one line output -- [ 91.797] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so
02:51<benjamin_>paste site wouldn't accept a one-liner
02:52<jm_>so you are using the nvidia driver
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02:53<benjamin_>yes. I am curious why my card is frying when it doesn't on my other OS
02:53<jm_>how did you determine that?
02:53<benjamin_>the heat coming out of my tower exhaust
02:53<benjamin_>when I booted a game
02:53<jm_>why not check actual temperatures instead?
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02:54<benjamin_>why not :)
02:55<benjamin_>I thought I should shut it down quicksmart though
02:55<W0lf>just installed this system anything i should know?
02:56<jm_>nvidia-settings -q all shall show temperatures and fan speed (in %)
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03:03<elementary>Hello world. I try to edit some stuff in the dconf using the command gsettings set ... , but it says the command is unknown. why?
03:04<jm_>are you using debian?
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03:05<elementary>yeah
03:05<elementary>debian 8
03:05<elementary>installed fom netinst iso
03:05<jm_>do you have the libglib2.0-bin package installed?
03:05<elementary>i'll check
03:06<elementary>ok, i installed it
03:07<elementary>now i't gives an error
03:07<elementary>cannot autolaunch dbus without x11
03:07<elementary>(I am tying to set some stuff up using command line only)
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03:09<elementary>does setting stuff with gsettings require the xserver to be running?
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03:12<jm_>it apparently requires dbus to be running
03:12<jm_>which is typically started as part of your X session so ...
03:13<elementary>i used ctrl shift f3 to get into a terminal
03:13<elementary>i guess that en a new sessin
03:13<elementary>is there a way to get into such a terminal without leaving the session?
03:14<jm_>I don't understand your question
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03:15<elementary>ok i'll put it differently
03:15<elementary>can i start dbus manually?
03:15<jm_>sure, man dbus-launch
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03:17<elementary>ok
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03:28<elementary>found a solution myself. if you invoke the gesettings command with : dbus-launch --exit with session gesettins ...... it works.
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03:30<elementary>great, thx
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03:42<Guest1604>Hi
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03:45<elementary>hi
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03:56<elementary>hey, what does "dhcppc1" mean ?
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04:34<grove>elementary: Where do you see that?
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04:39<PeakingInLife>hey, anyone help me adding myself to sudo, whenever I use it I keep getting user is not in sudoers list.. Alternatively any help me watch netfliz/prime direct from browser (IceWeasel)
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04:40<jm_>tried http://wiki.debian.org/sudo?
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04:42<PeakingInLife>on there now JM
04:42<PeakingInLife>tried the # adduser xxx sudo but still doesnt work
04:43<jm_>even aftger logging out and in again?
04:43<jm_>(the wiki page mentions this)
04:43<PeakingInLife>good point brb
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05:15<Aquarius>I am using a TEXT based installation of Jessie. After starting up I enter my credentials. When I do a command like 'vi syslog' I barely cannot read it because sentences are wrapped after 80 characters. I would like to have smaller letters and more per row. How can I establish this?
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05:34<Gabriel_7>Aquarius, Are you doing it locally and you have small number of characters? Or are you doing it over serial/whetever and you vi only spans a subset of your terminal ?
05:36<Aquarius>I do not understand your second question. I start the computer, login and then I have a prompt. When I execute a command like vi to put something on the screen I get what I described.
05:37<Gabriel_7>The first one then.
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05:37<Gabriel_7>Aquarius, the installation is finished?
05:38<Aquarius>Or should I always use a terminal?
05:38<Aquarius>Yes, the installation is finished.
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05:40<Aquarius>I am trying to find out also how able to read the messages scrolling over the screen at startup. Was reading pages on systemd but could not find out where the messages are logged. I'ld appreciate help on that one too.
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05:44<Gabriel_7>You want to make a server out of this or do you want to install a GUI in the end ? If you want to make a server, I'd just install SSH and do everything over SSH afterwards from another computer where I have a GUI and terminal emulators. If you want to install a GUI on this machine, just install the GUI and use a temrinal emulator.
05:45<Aquarius>i do not know if this helps but after booting the first line says: Debian GNU/Linux 8 Debian tty1
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05:46<elementary>Ok , i have a question to. I want some xrandr commands to be run on logging in. On ubuntu i wrote an .xconfig file with the commands inside. On debian that files doesn't seem to get executed. why?
05:46<Gabriel_7>It you want to change the terminal resolution, you can use vga=xxx at boot.
05:46<Gabriel_7>Aquarius, ^
05:49<Aquarius>Well I am trying to follow http://www.aboutdebian.com/index.htm . I use Linux for a year now and want to understand more of it. This site advices to work without a GUI at least in the beginning. I know/knew something about DOS so it doesn't scare me to use a terminal. So this laptop I am using to fiddle around with Linux is a ftp server now, but I will try lots of things on it according to http://www.aboutdebian.com/index.htm.
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05:52<elementary>Gabriel_7: No, I want to setup an "unusual resolution" set the scaling mode to center and switch to that resolution.
05:53<jm_>Aquarius: journalctl for boot log
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05:53<jm_>elementary: typically debian uses ~/.xsession, but it can depend on your settings
05:55<elementary>jm_: thx
05:55<elementary>i'll just rename that fie then?
05:55<elementary>file
05:55<jm_>like I said, sometimes that's not enough, depending on how X is started
05:55<Aquarius>jm: I was just reading on journalctl on https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-journalctl-to-view-and-manipulate-systemd-logs
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05:56<Aquarius>Thanks. I will be back if I have questions working through the tutorial on that site.
05:56<elementary>I'll test and report
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05:59<elementary>Ok neither .xsession nor .xconfig work. How do I do this the right way?
05:59<jm_>how do you start X?
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06:33<Aquarius>Ok. this journalctl is awesome!
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06:33<Aquarius>I get 4 errors while booting.
06:34<Aquarius>The first one is: "ACPI: Expecting a [Package], found type C
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06:35<Aquarius>Sorry, I will Google it first.
06:35<jm_>good luck :)
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06:40<Aquarius>Well, googling did not bring much and the one page I found for another machine. What is the general meaning of this error ACPI: Expecting a [Package], found type C?
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06:42<jm_>that's why I said good luck :)
06:42<jm_>it indicates possible error with ACPI info provided by your system
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06:43<jm_>many times it'ssafe to ignore those but not always
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09:43<debian8>hi
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09:53<anto>Hi, I am installing Debian 8.2 using the i386 netinst ISO image written to a USB with dd. While booting up, just after showing the ISOLINUX copyright message line, after a bit of time, it is showing "Failed to load ldlinux.c32" and "Boot failed: press a key to retry...". What can I do to fix this and proceed?
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10:49<fang>路过...
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11:27<emmanuel>hello
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12:04<pi___>Hello! I have never used irc before
12:04<pi___>Can you see what I type? I am using raspberry pi.
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12:06<mtn>pi___, yes, you are visible
12:06<pi___>Thank you!
12:06<pi___>Good sir
12:06<mtn>pi___, are you using debian or raspbian?
12:07<pi___>Raspbian Jessie I think
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12:07<pi___>I am a novice at this things
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12:07<pi___>these*
12:07<mtn>pi___, ok, only debian is supported in this channel. raspbian has their own channel
12:07<pi___>Ah, then I see!
12:07<pi___>I thought since raspbian is based on debian
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12:07<mtn>!raspbian
12:07<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
12:07<pi___>And when I installed it they refered me to this
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12:08<pi___>Then I see!
12:08<pi___>Thank you!
12:08<mtn>pi___, welcome and welcome to irc
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12:19<Aquarius>I had this message after installing Jessie on a COMPQ Pressario CQ62: Support for cores revisions 0x17 and 0x18 disabled by module param allhwsupport=0. Try b43.allhwsupport=1
12:19<Aquarius>i performed the steps on http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/93738/b43-wireless-driver-error
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12:22<Aquarius>Now I am left with this error: b43-phy0 ERROR:Found unsupported phy (Analog 10, Type 8 (LCN), Revision 1).
12:22<Aquarius>I found something similar after googling but was rather specific for a machine (https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+question/142467)
12:22<Aquarius>Any help?
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12:25<mtn>Aquarius, did you use the debian broadcom wiki to begin with?
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12:26<CutMeOwnThroat>judd, kernels
12:26<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-rc4-686-pae (4.4~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-1); stretch: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.2.6-3~bpo8+2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u6)
12:27<Aquarius>I am at wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx. Is that the one you mean CMOT
12:28<mtn>Aquarius, yes, that sounds like the one to start with
12:28<Brigo>Aquarius, what is the lspci -nn for your card?
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12:29<Aquarius>brigo: how to find that out?
12:29<Brigo>Aquarius, lspci -nn -d 14e4:
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12:29<Aquarius>It seems I have to know which chip I have
12:30<CutMeOwnThroat>Aquarius, which steps exactly
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12:31<Aquarius>Ok, performed the lspci. BCM4313 is in the output
12:31<Brigo>can you paste the whole line? i need the number whitin []
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12:32<Aquarius>I do this on another laptop.
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12:32<Aquarius>I will type the whole line out. Patience please;-)
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12:34<Brigo>Aquarius, can't you just copy&paste it?
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12:34<Aquarius>03:00.0 Network controller [0280]:Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter [14e4:4727] (rev 01)
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12:36<Brigo>Aquarius, and what driver are you using? i am checking a table in https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Supported_devices
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12:39<Aquarius>how to find out which driver?
12:39<Aquarius>(I am learning linux command line after one year using linux on a GUI.:-!
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12:40<Brigo>Aquarius, the number within the brackest: [14e4:4727]
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12:42<Aquarius>What about the number Brigo?
12:42<CutMeOwnThroat>Aquarius, I just checked how much newer kernels exist... maybe newer kernels and the kernel modules therein have better support. Also... you did see the comment in the stackexchange thingy you pasted that you need firmware-b43-installer on debian? ... debian has removed firmware from the main distribution as "non-free"-software
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12:43<Brigo>Aquarius, there is a table in that link that says your card are not supported by b43 driver. you need wl driver or brcm80211
12:43<Aquarius>CMOT: I installed it.
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12:44<mtn>Aquarius, To aim your comments at someone, type the first few letters of their nick and hit the tab key.
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12:46<Aquarius>Brigo: I just found that it is not supported. Shall I uninstall the firmware-b43-installer?
12:46<Brigo>Aquarius, i suppous it.
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12:50<Aquarius>Ok. I will be uninstalling b43 and try to install the brcem80211. On debian.org it says I have to configure it. Possibly I'll have questions on that one. Thanks for now!
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12:56<rcmpt>I'm able to get my machine to reboot through the backspace-key vulnerability in GRUB, but I am not able to get a rescue shell. Obviously I am vulnerable because of the reboot, but how would I get into the shell?
12:58<rcmpt>I probably missed a keypress. I'll try again.
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12:58<Aquarius>I can not uninstall this firmware-b43-installer. Unable to locate package.
12:59<mtn>Aquarius, go to synaptic, search for broadcom. see which driver is installed
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13:01<Aquarius>mtn: I have a text base install
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13:02<rcmpt>I should be doing this in a VM. I was still unable to gain access to the rescue shell.
13:02<mtn>Aquarius, makes it harder, but the same idea. search for broadcom
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13:05<Brigo>rcmpt, you have to activate it first with systemctl enable debug-shell.service, and disable it when you don't need it anymore
13:06<Aquarius>mtn: found broadcom in /lib/modules. there are 8 lines. What is it we need?
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13:07<mtn>Aquarius, like I said, use the package manager and find out which broadcom package is installed
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13:07<Aquarius>I will have to find that out. Need to use apt or dpkg I guess
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13:13<Aquarius>mtn: using dpkg --get-selections | grep b43 I get firmware-b43-installer as install
13:14<mtn>Aquarius, but you can't find it to remove it?
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13:15<Aquarius>mtn: did something wrong the first time around i guess. dkpg -r worked now
13:15<mtn>Aquarius, good. probably a typo
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13:18<Aquarius>I will install the brcm now. Be back later
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13:28<Aquarius>Well, I learned some command line actions. But to my regret still b43-phyO Error like described before:-(
13:30<mtn>Aquarius, which driver is being used? search the log file or install inxi and run: inxi -Gx
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13:31<Aquarius>Is wl/brcm80211 different from brcm80211?
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13:36<Brigo>Aquarius, they are two diferents drivers, wl is one and brcm8021 another :)
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13:36<Aquarius>Can't find a package for wl
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13:42<Aquarius>mtn: The machine has no internet connection and inxi is not on the DVD's of Jessie
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13:43<Brigo>Aquarius, did you have the broadcom-sta-dkms packagte installed?
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13:44<Aquarius>Brigo: I will have to find out
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13:45<Brigo>Aquarius, dpkg -l broadcom-sta-dkms
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13:46<Aquarius>Brigo: no, not installed.
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13:47<Brigo>try modinfo wl
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13:49<Aquarius>Brigo: ERROR: module wl not found
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13:49<Aquarius>On debian download for broadcom-sta-dkms it says: This package provides the source code for the wl kernel modules. The wireless-tools package is also required in order to make use of these modules. Kernel source or headers are required to compile these modules
13:50<Aquarius>CAn't I just install this package?
13:51<Brigo>Aquarius, of course
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13:52<Aquarius>brigo: do i have to uninstall firmware-brcm80211?
13:52<Brigo>Aquarius, no
13:53<Aquarius>Will be installing. Be back soon.
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14:05<EmleyMoor>Quick question - where do I define which devices grub needs to install to?
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14:09<Brigo>EmleyMoor, maybe with dpkg-reconfigure grub -plow?
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14:11<Brigo>EmleyMoor, bad answer, you don't define where grub get installed, you only do it in the install process. If you have to install grub again (because and update) dpkg will ask you.
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14:22<EmleyMoor>Brigo: It has helped with one of my systems... but only one... still need to resolve it for two others
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14:23<Yst>I am trying to fill out a PDF form, but certain fields are disabled. I think that the form is set up to only allow certain fields to be editable when related check boxes are active, but the fields are not activating properly. Does anyone have a recommended PDF reader that would have a good chance of working?
14:24<Aquarius>I have to install yet lots of packages to get dkms work
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14:30<EmleyMoor>Actually, it has helped on 2 - just 1 left to deal with
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14:33<EmleyMoor>Now it's like a Mancunian in a filing cabinet...
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14:34<lindi-_>Yst: well, which one are you using now?
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14:47<Aquarius>brigo and mtn: problem of "b43" is solved! Thanks a lot!
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15:03<Brigo>Aquarius, good for you! :)
15:04<Aquarius>Yes. I have just one error left. Searched for it on Google but could not find something that helped me
15:05<Aquarius>Asked here yesterday also.
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15:06<Aquarius>Here it is: ACPI: Expecting a [Package], found type C fsck from util-linux 2.25.2 Any idea?
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15:21<wsn>ola k ase?
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16:17<astrumcat>hello guys
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16:20<lambda-11235>libc6-dev is broken on stretch, is there any workaround?
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16:28<bitlan>what is the best software for dns cache (for netowrk witch ~1,5k users)? bind9, unbound or powerdns?
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16:29<bitlan>with*
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16:54<bjmgeek>after switching to openssh 7 (openssh-client 1:7.1p1-4) on stretch/sid, I can't use ssh, because it complains about the key types line in /etc/ssh/ssh_config
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16:54<bjmgeek>did the syntax on that config file change?
16:56<bitlan>sshd -t ?
16:56<bjmgeek>/etc/ssh/ssh_config line 60: Bad key types 'ssh-ed25519-cert-v01@openssh.com,ssh-rsa-cert-v01@openssh.com,ssh-rsa-cert-v00@openssh.com,ssh-ed25519,ssh-rsa'.
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17:03<sillyslux>hi, i just updated my kernel from 3.10 to 4.2, but if i boot without "nomodeset" i get no X, the net is full of bugreports but no solutions, anybody got an idea for me?
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17:04<Brigo>sillyslux, i get a question, why did you upgrade the kernel?
17:04<sillyslux>i hoped for hdmi audio
17:05<Brigo>sillyslux, and?
17:05<sillyslux>now i have neither
17:05<sillyslux>no audio, no video :)
17:05<Brigo>sillyslux, go back to the old kernel, then.
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17:05<sillyslux>bah not that important
17:05<sillyslux>old kernel + boombox
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17:06<sillyslux>but silly it is
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17:30<bjmgeek>here's the output of sshd -T https://paste.debian.net/349276/
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17:31<bjmgeek>here's my ssh_config https://paste.debian.net/349278/
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18:29<twb>initramfs-tools explicitly tells xz to --check=crc32 --- this is the weakest sum it supports.
18:29<twb>Is there a reason for this, other than "compression is a bit faster" ?
18:30<twb>Never mind, I found the commit.
18:30<twb>Without the crc32 check the kernel will fail with: | Initramfs unpacking failed: Input was encoded with settings that | are not supported by this XZ decoder
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18:30<twb>From 2011, so might not still be valid... :P
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19:16<Autofire>Umm....is `apt-key list` supposed to print nothing? Because...I get nothing in return. And...I don't think I should be getting a 127 exit status after running it. (127 meaning some bogus command, I think.) Regardless of what the arguments are, apt-key returns nothing. This could be tied to `apt-get update` always complaining about keys not matching up. I also did try reinstalling apt (via synaptic) there were no changes. Any suggestions?
19:17<Autofire>I;m running the stable version of Debian.
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19:27<EmleyMoor>Autofire: you're right, it's wrong...
19:28<EmleyMoor>Check your installation of debian-archive-keyring
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19:31<twb>127 means either the program isn't found in $PATH, or that it's found but not set executable (chmod +x). I get 127 and 126 mixed up
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20:16<Autofire>md5sum gave me 44c4a9d650fe046c2b22d248f5ea83ec for /usr/bin/apt-key. Could someone else (who has a working apt-key) give me their md5sum?
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20:19<marques>Autofire: apt-get install debsums
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20:24<Autofire>Hmm...well that all checked out okay.
20:24<Autofire>Atleast...for apt.
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20:26<PeakingInLife>Hi
20:26<PeakingInLife>Can I use gedit to save text as .htm then open in IceWeasel?
20:26<twb>PeakingInLife: I don't see why not
20:27<twb>PeakingInLife: though you might want to use a more featureful editor or IDE later on
20:27<twb>(Also, on Debian you can call it .html instead of .htm)
20:32<PeakingInLife>ok any suggestions for better editor
20:32<seanw>PeakingInLife: apt-get install emacs
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20:40<zykotick9>PeakingInLife: apt-get install vim
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20:40<twb>PeakingInLife: long-time nerds tend to either use emacs or vim.
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20:40<twb>Both of them take some getting used to
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20:41<Autofire>IMO, the problem with emacs is its use of ctrl keys and other weird key combinations. Some SSH clients can't work with these key combinations, making emacs impossible to use.
20:42<Autofire>vim uses some combinations, too, but you can do about everything with regular key presses
20:42<Autofire>Of course, I haven't used emacs very much, so I could be very wrong...but that's at least from what I've seen when my brother has used it.
20:42<twb>I've only seen that with org-mode and paredit
20:43<twb>In a terminal you can only portably type ASCII keys (e.g. Ctrl+X, but not Ctrl+<right arrow>). C-M-k is equivalent to ^[^k.
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20:44<twb>xterm has non-standard extensions to allow additional chords (like Ctrl+<right arrow>).
20:45<twb>Whether SSH is involved is irrelevant, except insofar as putty is both SSH client & terminal emulator. Also when running the terminal emulator and the application on different hosts, it is more likely for settings to be different (e.g. backspace being ^H on BSD/OS X and ^? on sysv/linux).
20:46<seanw>Autofire: yeah it's only weird stuff like Org-mode that has problems
20:46<twb>Using screen or tmux is also likely to cause weirdness in edge cases, because it interferes with $TERM being handed down to clients, so the terminfo/termcap databases of difference between terminals can't always be handled.
20:46<twb>In any case, running GTK or Lucid Emacs, or gvim, bypasses all terminal issues.
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21:04<PeakingInLife>thanks for the help guys I will have a look
21:04<PeakingInLife>Only my second day using Debian, so just getting used to things
21:05<PeakingInLife>Another problem I am having is that my volume is very low on videos. Everything is turned up max. Error tones when typing into box that isn't highlighted for example same much louder in comparison
21:05<PeakingInLife>Any ideas?
21:05<twb>I'm kinda susprised gnome hasn't renamed gedit to "Editor" :P
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21:05<twb>PeakingInLife: using vlc?
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21:10<PeakingInLife>in browser stuff, netflix/prime/youtube
21:10<PeakingInLife>I boosted volume to over 100% now in preferences, it is just about ok now, but obv not ideal
21:10<twb>I dunno how that stuff works
21:10<PeakingInLife>ok no worries
21:11<twb>My grumpy old man recommendation is get rid of pulseaudio
21:11<PeakingInLife>haha
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22:16<twb>pxz or pixz?
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22:19<twb>I can't see how to tell pixz to use CRC32, so I guess it has to be pxz
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