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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-12-19

---Logopened Sat Dec 19 00:00:27 2015
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01:19<reza>Hey there , i can not boot my laptop using linux kernel 4.3.0-1-amd64 ,i have installed it from debian unstable repo.it freezes while booting. how can i troubleshoot it?!
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03:08<premoboss>someone skilled in debirf?
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04:08<Manis>hi. i'm trying to install debian on my chromebook. i've set up a usb thumbdrive to boot debian-installer but it fails to mount the iso. mounting works fine on another machine. are there any limitation to debian-installer regarding mounting?
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04:48<gryps>funny: tcpdump shows "length 45810" on layer2 ... how can this be, this frame size is way too large for the MTU on the ethernet devices
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06:40<Mabool_42>Hi everyone, I've just installed Jessie and I'm looking for a package to make bootable USB isolinux. I used unetbootin on Wheezy but it seems it doesn't exist yet for Jessie... Any clues ?
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06:49<lzz>Mabool_42: you probably get comments that unetbootin is huge load crap...someone has said it breaks debian somehow... use iso's directly from debian site ...they can "dd"ed directly to usb( be careful abou "dd" command)
06:51<lzz>btw i have personal experience misusing dd command..so do not "dd" your hard disks ..dd your usb sticks
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06:54<lzz>now he's gone
06:59<salad>"thanks for saying thanks!"
07:02<SynrG>the debian installation guide says to use cp not dd. Simpler
07:03<SynrG>Just fyi since they left
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07:53<bradley>anyone here know how to update firefox? i keep getting a pop-up saying i need to update firefox but dont have administrative permission?
07:53<bradley>I am on debian 8.2 Xfce
07:54<salad>what version have you got?
07:54<bradley>firefox version? im not sure how to tell. is there a terminal command to let me know
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07:55<salad>are you using firefox or iceweasel?
07:56<bradley>firefox. I removed iceweasel
07:56<salad>click the icon for the menu (the one with the 3 horizontal lines) -> ? icon -> about firefox
07:56<abrotman>bradley: then you sohuld ask them, not us ..
07:58<bradley>version 43
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07:58<bradley>abrotman, this is the room i am always told to ask ebian questions
07:59<towo`>sure
07:59<bradley>debian
07:59<salad>yeah I'm staying out of this one sorry. would recommend getting iceweasel out of backports if you want a more up to date version on debian stable.
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07:59<towo`>nut since debian has no firefox, you are in the wrong channel bradley
07:59<abrotman>bradley: Sure, Install iceweasel
07:59<abrotman>dpkg: tell bradley about mdn
07:59<bradley>which room should i ask ?
08:00<abrotman>bradley: install iceweasel, it's the same thing
08:01<bradley>ok thanks for your help
08:02<abrotman>bradley: mozilla.debian.net allows you to keep Iceweasel more up to date
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08:44<Alex1>Hi everyone! I am looking for information to update my kernel to 3.19 on jessie. Does anyone has an idea?
08:45<abrotman>Alex1: there's a 4.x in jessie backports
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08:59<Alex1>@brotman Thank ok that sounds fine. I was compiling a new kernel but had problems with modules they need to fit to the kernel and it gets quite complicated really fast so i was loking for an easier way
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09:02<Alex1>bye
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09:31<kb3vgw>hey guys
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09:32<kb3vgw>beenalong time since I have used any of te extra tools
09:32<kb3vgw>whats the whiptail/ncurses intreface forconfiguringnetworkinterfaces and othersparts of a debian system like when you do a install
09:33<kb3vgw>I am looking for the menu system
09:33<kb3vgw>I want to adapt it
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09:43<paxmark9>kb3vgw, possibly tasksel
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09:46<icebreaker>hello
09:46<icebreaker>every one
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11:01<tager>i need help
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11:02<awal>tager: headache?
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11:03<tager>i setup debian 8 n the user as default
11:03<awal>what?
11:03<tager>now i dont have root access or password
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11:04<awal>'n' is your username?
11:04<tager>tager
11:05<tager>tager is the default user
11:05<awal>so type tager and the password you created for tager user durring install for login in your X session as user
11:05<sud0nim>What's up
11:06<tager>one sec
11:06<sud0nim>ok
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11:08<tager>no luck
11:08<tager> watch
11:08<tager>terrance@debian-tosh:~$ su Password: su: Authentication failure terrance@debian-tosh:~$
11:09<tager>how to go back to the initial setup without the cd
11:09<paxmark9>tager, does sudo work
11:09<tager><awal>
11:10<tager>no
11:11<awal>tager: where you now? in login screen?
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11:11<awal>tty?
11:11<awal>what have you installed? gnome, kde, xfce?
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11:12<tager>gnome
11:13<awal>so you ar ein GDM (gnome display manager )? in username type tager and in password the tager's password
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11:14<awal>you cant login in gnome session as root. you can do that via console or in x terminal once you in X (gnome session)
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11:16<tager>ok but in the terminal its not allowing my password to pass as a superuser
11:17<awal>tager: in gnome terminal?
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11:19<tager>yes
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11:19<awal>tager: have you installed and configured 'sudo'?
11:20<tager>i read about it an from what i gathered at the initial setup my boss gave me a default account instead of administrative
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11:20<tager>so im trying to find a way back to that setup so i can do it the right way
11:21<awal>default account?
11:21<blawiz>anyone else has trouble with freezing when using hdmi?
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11:21<tager>yeah thats the only way to explain it
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11:23<awal>tager: have you created both root account + pass and user account + pass during install?
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11:30<tager>no
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11:30<tager>just user account
11:30<tager> n pass
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11:39<awal>tager: if you haven't created a root account you will not be able to loin as root (administrator), the easy way is install & configure sudo. for now you can run your debian as user (user name +it's pass)
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11:42<Scaniatrucker>awal: user tager can not install and configure sudo, because he work as normal user. He do not have administrator privileges...
11:43<awal>Scaniatrucker:, oh , yes. you right. I forgot that :P
11:48<awal>tager: skipping the root account during install just doesn't set a password to it so nobody can login with it, but it is always there....
11:49<awal>I think you will have to reinstall your debian system and set a password for root account
11:50<awal>I'm not sure but debian installer installs sudo and configure it if root account is skipped?
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11:51<Tojil>No chance one could use the media installation to install sudo or even set a root password?
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11:55<awal>From debian wiki " At installation time, you are asked whether you want to use the root account or not. If you want to (the default), you'll be asked to provide a complex password for root. Use a strong one! If not, no root account is enabled and the password of the first user created will be used for administration tasks."
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12:26<icwiener>Hi, I am trying to run a 32bit windows application on a 64bit Debian with wine. The app runs fine but without sound. I tried to install libasound2-plugins:i386 but it wants to remove half of my system. "libpulse0:i386 : Breaks: libpulse0". Any idea how to get this going?
12:27<EmleyMoor>Is there a program for Debian that will detect and block "cat typing"?
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12:30<icwiener>Ah snap. I had libpulse from backports installed and after aptitude told me that, I installed the needed packages from backports. Now it works. :)
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12:33<GreenRiver>Hello. Does anyone could help me solve an error in ( wine: Bad format EXE for Z:\home\... )
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12:41<Olypoly>Can anybody recommend and graphing X apps?
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12:49<Walex2>Olypoly: there are many with rather different ranges of graphs...
12:50<Olypoly>can you give me suggestions on ones that do mathematical graphs
12:50<Walex2>Olypoly: they range from LibreOffice Calc to Latex.
12:50<Olypoly>thanks
12:50<Walex2>Olypoly: graphs as in networks or as in information displays?
12:51<Walex2>Olypoly: and if the latter graphs of data or graphs of algebraic expressions?
12:52<Olypoly>I just want to plot graphs using mathematical functions
12:52<Walex2>Olypoly: in general for looking for software 'freecode.com' is still good
12:55<Olypoly>thanks
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12:55<Walex2>Olypoly: octave? scilab? kmplot for KDE? Lybniz? Maxima?
12:57<Olypoly>I'll have a look
12:57<bremner>gnuplot, R, the plot-module in racket are some I have used
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12:59<dograt>Hi. I have an interface in /etc/network/interfaces with dhcp method. How can I specify nameserver? I assume /etc/resolv.conf will be overwritten.
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13:01<markybob>dograt, just add "nameserver 8.8.4.4" or whatever server you want
13:01<markybob>dograt, into /etc/network/interfaces
13:01<dograt>Oh is that a valid stanza? It's not in the manpage. That would be awesome.
13:01<Walex2>kst, jgraph, qalculate (for a very simple one)
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13:03<Walex2>dograt: that used 'dhclient' and you can set '/etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf' to override the nameservers sent by the DHCP servers.
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13:04<Walex2>dograt: with 'supersede domain-name-servers ....'
13:04<dograt>Ah
13:04<Walex2>dograt: or you could not-request 'domain-name-servers'.
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13:06<Walex2>dograt: look at 'man dhclient.conf' the example for 'interface "ep0"'
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13:08<dograt>I'm looking at some Ubuntu doc and it says I can put "dns-nameservers x.x.x.x" in the interface(5) definition. I was hoping I wouldn't have to touch the dhclient config. Now trying to find the documentation of that directive and whether it exists on Debian.
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13:20<dograt>Walex2: nope, I gave up. Ended up editing dhclient.conf and using "prepend domain-name-servers" and not requesting domain-name-servers
13:20<dograt>Walex2: thank you for your help
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13:25<yamii>holaa
13:25<yamii>esta palomaa
13:25<yamii>pase mucho tiempo sin verlaa
13:26<Tojil>se puede platicar en español acá? jejejeje
13:26<yamii>noooo
13:26<yamii>nosee
13:27<yamii>holaaaaaaaaaaa
13:28<yamii>estoy tristeeeeeee
13:28<yamii>todo biennnn????
13:29<bremner>!es
13:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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13:30<yamii>m name from argentina
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13:31<yamii>noo estas loco sepuede
13:31<yamii>lo unicooo
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13:32<yamii>no
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13:33<yamii>no
13:34<yamii> solo esta deforme
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16:03<iker>hihi
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16:23<bradley>Thunar: Failed to initialize Xfconf anyone know what causes this?
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16:28<mtn>bradley, which version of debian is this?
16:28<bradley>8.2 Xfce
16:29<mtn>bradley, Ok, I was wondering because you asked on linuxmint-help, first
16:29<k_>bradley, what does the error says after Thunar: Failed to initialize Xfconf:
16:30<bradley>am i gonna get banned if i paste in here?
16:30<PovAddict>use a pastebin
16:30<PovAddict>always, in any channel
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16:31<bradley>http://pastebin.com/PE1VvVRh
16:32<k_>you were using thunar to connect to a remote pc?
16:33<bradley>wasnt trying to.. not on purpose
16:35<k_>if you weren't trying to connect to a remote app and thunar works then you might let this error exist... Have no idea sorry.
16:37<k_>maybe it searched for a usb drive and it was disconnected...
16:37<k_>thunar works after the error?
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17:13<Akenobis>i want use aircack-ng can i teach me
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17:28<k_>Akenobis, lots of tutorials if you google it... http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=tutorial
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17:45<xecked>Hi, I have a problem with networkmanager. I have some .ovpn files which I want to import. When I choose them in the file manager dialog after the "import a ovpn connection", nothing happens. The dialog window closes, but nothing happens after it. When I try to open an empty .ovpn file it says "not a valid ovpn file". File permissions are correct.
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17:50<somiaj>xecked: did you check the vpn's that network manager has available. usually no output is good output
17:50<somiaj>I don't use nm or vpn, so not positive on this
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17:51<joelkraehemann>When is the next compiler update?
17:51<somiaj>joelkraehemann: what do you mean by that?
17:51<xecked>There aren't any vpn connections in networkmanager
17:51<joelkraehemann>What date will be gcc updated?
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17:52<paxmark9>xecked, to verify via command line move the .ovpn to /etc/openvpn and then (as root or via sudo) do openvpn blah.ovpn
17:52<somiaj>joelkraehemann: in what version of debian?
17:52<joelkraehemann>unstable
17:52<PovAddict>as if packages had release dates :P
17:52<somiaj>joelkraehemann: I'm unsure on the best way to track that, usually debian goes by the time line when it is ready. (:
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17:53<joelkraehemann>As I know gcc isn't updated that frequent
17:53<musca>joelkraehemann: why do you need a date?
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17:54<joelkraehemann>To estimate if I should wait until it's fixed or may be doing a work-around
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17:54<somiaj>I don't know if this is dependent on debian, seems as if unstable ahs gcc 5.3.1 which is the same as the upstream from what I could tell
17:54<joelkraehemann>https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2015-12/msg00065.html
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17:54<PovAddict>joelkraehemann: is that in any upstream release yet?
17:55<joelkraehemann>gcc compiles the following code but valgrind tells me that there is an error
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17:55<joelkraehemann>GSequencer v0.6.37
17:55<PovAddict>so you reported a bug, there wasn't even a reply from upstream saying if it's a bug (let alone a fix, or a release with the fix), and you want to know when the fix will be in Debian?
17:56<joelkraehemann>no I didn't report anything, just asking
17:56<somiaj>joelkraehemann: https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gcc-5.html
17:57<somiaj>joelkraehemann: you can see the history of how debian updates gcc. Seems to follow upstream fairly closely, but if there is a bug you should report it to either debian bts or upstream.
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17:57<somiaj>and it looks like the most recent update was today. (:
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17:58<joelkraehemann>Ok I'll report it to upstream if the problem still exists
17:58<PovAddict>having an update in debian would be pretty much the *last* step in the whole chain
17:58<joelkraehemann>after an update of gcc since I haven't done so, yet
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17:59<somiaj>joelkraehemann: http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/g/gcc-5/unstable_changelog
18:00<somiaj>there is the change log, not really much changed
18:00<joelkraehemann>manual test goes faster and is much easier to read
18:00<xecked>paxmark9: that works, but theres no dns. I can ping IP Adresses but no domains..
18:00<joelkraehemann>:)
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18:01<somiaj>xecked: modify /etc/resolv.conf
18:01<somiaj>xecked: though this doens't fix your why ddin't it work with networkmanager issue
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18:02<MacInTosh>HEY
18:03<joelkraehemann>hi, MacInTosh
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18:03<MacInTosh>So what do we do here I am new
18:04<joelkraehemann>!ask
18:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:05<xecked>somiaj: in resolv.conf are some entrees with dns servers
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18:06<joelkraehemann>xecked, do you use dhclient?
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18:06<joelkraehemann>pastebin your /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
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18:10<xecked>joelkraehemann: here it is: http://pastebin.com/NNy55des. I've noticed another problem: when I start nm-connection-editor from shell and select the ovpn file, the window closes and in the terminal appears in german "speicherzugriffsfehler", that means something like memory access error..
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18:10<joelkraehemann>this is a SIGINT
18:11<joelkraehemann>signal termination
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18:11<joelkraehemann>You get segfault
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18:12<xecked>yes
18:12<joelkraehemann>Why don't you delete following line:
18:12<joelkraehemann>domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name,
18:13<joelkraehemann>and do something like this in the interface section:
18:13<joelkraehemann>option domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
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18:13<Parazite2>help
18:14<musca>xecked: usually one doesn't delete but comment
18:14<joelkraehemann>substitute 127.0.0.1 with the IP of your DNS server
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18:14<xecked>joelkraehemann: OK I'll try it
18:14<joelkraehemann>Or even better backup original
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18:14<joelkraehemann>cop /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf{,.old}
18:14<joelkraehemann>sorry
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18:15<joelkraehemann>`cp /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf{,.old}`
18:15<Parazite2>sorry...noob
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18:15<joelkraehemann>!ask
18:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:15<joelkraehemann>Parazite2, how can I help you?
18:15<musca>hello Parazite2, do you use debian linux?
18:15<xecked>joelkraehemann: of course!
18:16<Parazite2>yes I use debian
18:17<joelkraehemann>xecked, `service NetworkManager restart`
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18:18-!-mode/#debian [+l 729] by debhelper
18:18<Parazite2>I'm new here!
18:19<joelkraehemann>!ask
18:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:21<joelkraehemann>Parazite, Newbie in Object Orientated Programming
18:21<joelkraehemann>Parazite2, Newbie in Object Orientated Programming
18:22<xecked>joelkraehemann: so here is my new dhclient.conf: http://pastebin.com/54KTdEQ4 the changed lines are marked with a #HERE, I'm going to reload the networkmanager service now.
18:22<Parazite2>I'm fully newbie at all !
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18:22<k_>Parazite2, do you have a question?
18:23<Parazite2>A lot of them!
18:23<k_>start with the first.
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18:25<xecked>joelkraehemann: I've tried to connect again to the vpn, but I've still no dns
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18:25<k_>Parazite2, for starters you can use keywords with /msg dpkg
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18:26<joelkraehemann>is the pastebin your config file?
18:27<joelkraehemann>since # is only one line commenting out
18:27<joelkraehemann>the part after it
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18:27<Parazite2>what are we trying to do for help him???
18:28<joelkraehemann>this you want definitely:
18:28<joelkraehemann>request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers
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18:28<Parazite2>hum looks good !
18:29<joelkraehemann>you can't connect to a network without routers, broadcast and subnet-mask
18:31<xecked>so what should I do? Btw: the bug is at launchpad for ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openvpn/+bug/1294899
18:31<joelkraehemann>routers is basically default route
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18:32<joelkraehemann>host discovery using ARP needs broadcast
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18:33<xecked>I know, but why is that important here?
18:33<joelkraehemann>and you need the range where valid hosts reside
18:33<joelkraehemann>I just explained the purpose
18:34<joelkraehemann>the other network has to know your computer as well
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18:35<joelkraehemann>xecked, does it work?
18:36<xecked>I've changed nothing, so no
18:37<joelkraehemann>Do you know a remote host you could ping?
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18:37<joelkraehemann>what shows you ifconfig -a
18:37<xecked>yes, that works
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18:38<xecked>command not found
18:38<joelkraehemann>/usr/sbin/ifconfig -a
18:38<joelkraehemann>sorry, `/sbin/ifconfig -a`
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18:39<joelkraehemann>you are trying to do a VPN?
18:40<joelkraehemann>if so you should provide a virtual interface
18:40<Parazite2>I think you need 'sudo ifconfig -a'.
18:40<joelkraehemann>no sudo
18:41<Parazite2>why?
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18:42<joelkraehemann>you can't do a VPN for eth0 rather eth0:tun0
18:42<xecked>joelkraehemann: http://pastebin.com/nkW0jqEj sorry there are some expressions in german and I've used sudo, should I put another screen output at pastebin?
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18:43<joelkraehemann>do something like: `ifconfig eth0:tun0 192.168.0.0 up`
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18:44<joelkraehemann>substitute 192.168.0.0 with your target network
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18:45<xecked>done
18:45<joelkraehemann>what's your target networks IP?
18:46<xecked>192.168.0.0
18:46<joelkraehemann>you have to edit /etc/dhcp/dhcpclient.conf
18:46<joelkraehemann>sorry: /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
18:47<joelkraehemann>now provide for eth0 and eth0:tun0 a section
18:47<joelkraehemann>this is part of the lease { ...
18:48<xecked>ok
18:48<joelkraehemann>sorry I mean alias
18:49<xecked>ok
18:50<joelkraehemann>It should look like http://pastebin.com/wKcehukx
18:51<xecked>ok
18:52<joelkraehemann>you should use eth0:tun0 as your VPN interface
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18:54<joelkraehemann>you should probably provide a /etc/network/interface
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18:55<xecked>sorry but I don't understand what intention the changes have
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18:56<joelkraehemann>you can't do a VPN on your primary network card you have to provide a virtual one
18:57<joelkraehemann>address conflict
18:57<xecked>ok but the VPN connection works, only the DNS doesn't
18:58<joelkraehemann>what DNS from your remote network?
18:59<joelkraehemann>you have to add "option domain-name-servers 80.69.100.212;" to your /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
18:59<xecked>I can't ping google.com but I can ping my VPS when I've logged into VPN
19:00<joelkraehemann>great
19:00<xecked>I've done that few minutes ago
19:00<joelkraehemann>The file I have provide didn't include your DNS
19:00<xecked>ok
19:00<joelkraehemann>put it into the alias
19:01<joelkraehemann>... of eth0:tun0
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19:02<joelkraehemann>xecked, does it work?
19:04<xecked>so my dhclient.conf looks like http://pastebin.com/DK4jXCDy. I'm going to reload networkmanager and try to connect to vpn and access a domain
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19:05<joelkraehemann>good, have you edited your nm connections to use the tunnel interface?
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19:07<joelkraehemann>not eth0 is your VPN interface rather eth0:tun0
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19:08<joelkraehemann>xecked, ping
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19:09<xecked>ping
19:09<joelkraehemann>what's going on?
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19:10<xecked>DNS is still not working, I've changed nothing at nm
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19:11<joelkraehemann>you should do so!
19:11<xecked>what should I do exactly at networkmanager?
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19:13<joelkraehemann>are you using network-manager-openvpn
19:13<xecked>yes
19:14<xecked>but that's not working because of the bug I've descibed
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19:15<joelkraehemann>Note unless you tell a program to use your tunnel you won't use the associated DNS
19:16<joelkraehemann>what application you want to use with your tunnel?
19:16<xecked>iceweasel
19:16<joelkraehemann>ok do a default route to your tunnel
19:16<xecked>how do I do that?
19:17<joelkraehemann>http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/categories.html
19:17<joelkraehemann>http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/index.html
19:18<joelkraehemann>type in `route` and show me
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19:20<xecked>http://pastebin.com/2BfS8dsR
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19:22<drewv>When using syslinux-efi, does the kernel and initrd image have to be on the EFI ESP?
19:24<joelkraehemann>may be you have to restart xorg session :/
19:25<joelkraehemann>http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NET3-4-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.7
19:25<somiaj>drewv: I would not think so, the efi partition just needs to contain booting info and I would imangine the kernel and initrd can live on /boot normally (though unsure what syslinux would do to this)
19:25<joelkraehemann>do `route del default`
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19:26<joelkraehemann>and `route add default gw 192.168.0.1 eth0:usb0`
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19:27<joelkraehemann>sorry
19:27<joelkraehemann>route add default gw 192.168.0.1 eth0:tun0
19:28<joelkraehemann>may be you have to escape :
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19:28<xecked>usb0?
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19:28<joelkraehemann>no tun0
19:28<xecked>ok
19:28<joelkraehemann>you should at least restart iceweasel
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19:29<george>this up yet...
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19:29<george>If no one has brought this up yet...
19:29<george>Merry Christmas
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19:30<joelkraehemann>merry Christmas george
19:30<joelkraehemann>xecked, what's going on
19:30<xecked>it says "Argument ist ungültig", translated: argument is not valid
19:30<xecked>and before that "SIOCADDRT"
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19:31<xecked>it says "SIOCADDRT: Argument ist ungültig", translated: argument is not valid
19:33<joelkraehemann>route del default && route add default gw 192.168.0.1 eth0\:tun0
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19:34<joelkraehemann>xecked???
19:35<joelkraehemann>what's in your /etc/resolv.conf
19:35<xecked>SIOCDELRT: Kein passender Prozess gefunden, no valid proces found
19:36<xecked>http://pastebin.com/hGcjymHK
19:36<joelkraehemann>what shows you `ifconfig eth0:tun0`
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19:37<joelkraehemann>your resolv.conf look good
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19:39<xecked>http://pastebin.com/BKeBFGmp is inet Adresse in the third line correct? Thats the adress of the subnet, I think?
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19:40<joelkraehemann>run dhclient -v eth0:tun0
19:40<joelkraehemann>show me the output
19:41<joelkraehemann>this is no IP address it's the network identifier
19:41<joelkraehemann>192.168.0.0 isn't a valid address
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19:42<joelkraehemann>now the output again
19:42<xecked>please wait a moment, I cant access any internet site at the moment
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19:43<xecked>http://pastebin.com/iA7cgZUB
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19:44<joelkraehemann>there is something wrong with the config file
19:44<xecked>yes
19:45<joelkraehemann>line 4 missing semicolon
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19:45<xecked>ok wait a moment
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19:46<xecked>I have to restart my pc, I'm back in a few seconds
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19:48<xecked>I've changed the file
19:48<joelkraehemann>dhclient -v eth0:tun0
19:48<xecked>subnet_number():inet.c:47: Addr/mask length mismatch.
19:49<joelkraehemann>ifconfig eth0:tun0
19:50<mohammad-ghasemi>Hi, I've deleted all my fonts from .fonts directory. Where can I download them again? I mean the default fonts
19:50<xecked>http://pastebin.com/rTNzHucF
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19:51<joelkraehemann>you have to provide the interface after each reboot if you don't provide /etc/network/interfaces as I told you :/
19:51<xecked>mohammad-ghasemi: what directory exactly?
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19:51<mohammad-ghasemi>xecked /home/mohammad/.fonts/
19:52<joelkraehemann>xecked, why did you reboot
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19:53<xecked>joelkraehemann: because my mouse has stopped working
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19:53<joelkraehemann>ok that's a bad reason but somehow understood
19:54<xecked>mohammad-ghasemi: sorry but I dont have a ~/.fonts directory..
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19:54<mohammad-ghasemi>xecked no problem thank you!
19:54<joelkraehemann>xecked, guess what you have to do
19:55<xecked>joelkraehemann: I guess I have to sleep in a few minutes :P it's 2 AM
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19:56<joelkraehemann>xecked, note the steps
19:56<joelkraehemann>ifconfig eth0:tun 192.168.0.0 up
19:56<joelkraehemann>sorry
19:56<joelkraehemann>ifconfig eth0:tun0 192.168.0.0 up
19:57<joelkraehemann>dhclient -v eth0:tun0
19:57<xecked>ok
19:57<xecked>subnet_number():inet.c:47: Addr/mask length mismatch.
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19:59<joelkraehemann>show me `ifconfig eth0:tun0`
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20:00<joelkraehemann>xecked are you using stable?
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20:00<xecked>http://pastebin.com/viterk3A and yes
20:01<joelkraehemann> option subnet-mask 192.168.0.0;
20:01<joelkraehemann>in your /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf is wrong
20:01<xecked>ok, what I have to change?
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20:02<joelkraehemann>it should be: " option subnet-mask 192.168.0.255;"
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20:02<joelkraehemann>no
20:03<joelkraehemann>wait a minute
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20:04<joelkraehemann>option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
20:04<joelkraehemann>or remove it
20:04<xecked>ok
20:04<xecked>i took the first option
20:04<joelkraehemann>very good
20:05<joelkraehemann>dhclient -v eth0:tun0
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20:06<xecked>dhclient -v eth0:tun0
20:06<xecked>oops
20:06<xecked>subnet_number():inet.c:47: Addr/mask length mismatch.
20:06<joelkraehemann>what's going on?
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20:07<joelkraehemann>ok, try `ifconfig eth0:tun0 0.0.0.0 up`
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20:08<joelkraehemann>and then dhclient -v eth0:tun0
20:08<xecked>SIOCSIFFLAGS: Die angeforderte Adresse kann nicht zugewiesen werden, the requested address cannot be allocated
20:09<joelkraehemann>ok, try to give a valid IP
20:09<joelkraehemann>like 192.168.0.35
20:09<xecked>done
20:09<xecked>no errors
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20:13<xecked>joelkraehemann: sorry, but I have to go to bed to get up no so late today. Thanks for your troubles with me ;-)
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20:13<joelkraehemann>http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/VPN-HOWTO/
20:13<joelkraehemann>try this one
20:13<joelkraehemann>bye
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20:29<alumno__>hola
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20:29<somiaj> !es
20:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
20:30<Azuul>Hello
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20:31<somiaj>Azuul: do you have a debian support question, or looking for a social channel?
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20:32<Azuul>nou spikin inglish
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20:35<somiaj>Azuul: /join #debian-es for esplanol
20:36<somiaj>no hablo espanol
20:37<Azuul>para que es esto
20:38<Azuul>?
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21:02<TheAmorphous>I'm having trouble booting into a fairly new install of Debian. I keep getting dropped to a shell with "gave up waiting for root device" error. The SSD I'm trying to boot to doesn't show up in /dev when this happens, but does on occasion when Debian actually does boot properly. Any help?
21:02<somiaj>TheAmorphous: does the bois see the drive every time? Could it be a faulty sata cable hooking up the ssd?
21:03<somiaj>to me it sounds more like hardware
21:03<TheAmorphous>UEFI always sees this SSD, yes. It worked fine with an Ubuntu install for the past year as well.
21:03<somiaj>well you'll have to maybe change the boot from 'quiet' and start seeing if you can identify why it isn't being correctly detected during boot
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21:04<TheAmorphous>I've tried adding a rootdelay of 90 to grub, but it just waits 90 seconds before mounting an array of five HDDs (this works every time) then fails waiting for the SSD
21:04<somiaj>it isn't an issue with the root= or fstab confgiarution?
21:04<TheAmorphous>fstab shows the correct UUID
21:04<TheAmorphous>50% of the time Debian boots just fine
21:05<TheAmorphous>somiaj: So I just remove quiet from /etc/default/grub and it'll give me the error that's causing this?
21:05<somiaj>so it is finding boot and the initrd but not the root? But best I can guess is check the logs see if you can configure it out
21:05<TheAmorphous>Yeah, it goes to initram and says Loading, please wait
21:05<somiaj>TheAmorphous: it may not give you the actual error, but after you remove quiet, run 'update-grub' and at least you'll see more what is going on during the boot. Unsure if this will help track it down or not.
21:06<somiaj>but it is better than lack of lgos
21:06<TheAmorphous>When it mounts md0, an array of five HDDs. That line is at the end of fstab.
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21:06<TheAmorphous>What's weird is those five HDDs show up in /dev from the initramfs shell
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21:07<TheAmorphous>but not the SSD with the root filesystem
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21:08<TheAmorphous>somiaj: Am I removing "quiet" from GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT?
21:09<somiaj>TheAmorphous: correct
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21:09<MacInTosh>What are you trying to do TheAmorphous?
21:10<TheAmorphous>ata1: SATA link down (SStatus 1 SControl 300_
21:10<TheAmorphous>It mounts all the HDDs as scsi devices though
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21:10<TheAmorphous>Trying to get Debian to boot from this SSD consistently instead of 50/50
21:10<MacInTosh>Oh
21:10<somiaj>TheAmorphous: well libata uses the scsi interface, but that seems like hardware issue. I would try to a) replace the sata cable, or b) maybe try a different sata port.
21:11<somiaj>It could be some bug with your paticular sata controler, but these in my limited expreience is rare. sata is fairly standard
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21:12<MacInTosh>If you don't mind me asking what OS are you guys on?
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21:12<somiaj>MacInTosh: this is #debian, so many here will be using debian. I am
21:12<TheAmorphous>This is running on a brand new motherboard with a new core I5
21:13<somiaj>TheAmorphous: it could be you just have some new chipset that is causing troubles, it could also be the wire. Those things just go bad or maybe you got a bad one shipped with the hd
21:13<TheAmorphous>Booting with a new sata cable now
21:14<TheAmorphous>Same SATA link down message during boot
21:14<MacInTosh>The reason I asked is because I am on Anonymous OS
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21:15<TheAmorphous>Same error. Trying a different SATA port now.
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21:17<somiaj>TheAmorphous: is both the drive and mbo sata3?
21:17<somiaj>TheAmorphous: are there any more messages and are you sure ata1 is the sata drive?
21:18<TheAmorphous>Both are SATA3, yes
21:18<TheAmorphous>the ata1 SATA link down message is all I see when it starts mounting drives before it mounts all the HDDs as SCSI
21:21<somiaj>TheAmorphous: is there a bios update for your board? What kernel are you using the 3.16 kernel?
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21:21<TheAmorphous>Now it says ata3 SATA link down when plugged into a different port
21:22<TheAmorphous>Not sure on the kernel. I can't seem to get into Debian at all now. It's whatever is the latest stable.
21:22<somiaj>well you could try a 4.2 kernel from backports
21:22<somiaj>unsure if it is a kernel issue.
21:23<somiaj>My expreince with an sata drive I got a year ago was it was just bad, I was able to install and use it sometimes, but the drive itself was flaky. I thought it wasn't hardware for the longest time. Replaced the drive and everything worked fine
21:23<TheAmorphous>I would agree if this drive didn't work fine with Ubuntu installed
21:23<TheAmorphous>I do have another SSD lying around, but it's pretty old. I can give that one a try.
21:23<somiaj>my drive worked fine for a few months before it went bad. Do you have another sata drive you could try you know works
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21:23<somiaj>maybe put this drive into a different computer
21:24<TheAmorphous>This SSD was running Ubuntu on another machine until yesterday
21:24<somiaj>TheAmorphous: Again my expreince with issues like this is it usually ends up being hardware (though this is a limited test case).
21:24<TheAmorphous>If it's hardware I'm guessing it's the motherboard
21:24<TheAmorphous>because that's brand new
21:24<somiaj>TheAmorphous: If it is due to the actual sata chip set being buggy in the 3.16 kernel if you can get booted and install a 4.2 kernel from backports that might fix it
21:24<somiaj>TheAmorphous: do you know what kernel ubuntu was using?
21:25<TheAmorphous>Let me see. I still have that machine running on another SSD I imaged from this one
21:25<TheAmorphous>Ubuntu on other motherboard is running 3.2.0-96-generic-pae
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21:26<somiaj>TheAmorphous: same mobo was running that sata drive on a 3.2 kernel just fine?
21:26<TheAmorphous>Yessir, until yesterday
21:27<somiaj>seems strange a 3.16 kernel would have issues, as that would be a regression bug
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21:28<somiaj>I really don't have any other suggestions, you can try to paste that error into google and see what other people have done. Some end up being hardware otehrs don't
21:28<TheAmorphous>What's worrying me is I can't seem to get into Debian at all now. Whereas before it was 50/50 chance of booting properly.
21:29<TheAmorphous>And it's really odd that the bios is consistently detecting the drive.
21:30<somiaj>TheAmorphous: try a live image
21:30<somiaj>see if that sees the drive
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21:32<TheAmorphous>Downloading one now.
21:32<TheAmorphous>Question: If the machine isn't detecting that device, how is it loading grub?
21:35<somiaj>TheAmorphous: it sounds more like the drive is going down after it is being up
21:35<somiaj>i.e. it isnt until the drive is starting to be activally read that the link goes down
21:36<somiaj>again I had a similar experience on my sata drive, the link would go down and it would freeze my system for up to 5 mins and then th elink would come back up
21:36<somiaj>this always happened when the os was running and never during boot. Took me a long time to get a new sata
21:36<somiaj>got a new drive, haven't noticed an issue since then
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21:37<TheAmorphous>It just booted successfully this time
21:37<TheAmorphous>When it boots successfully like this, it's 100% stable until I reboot
21:38<somiaj>TheAmorphous: check demsg, any errors issues about the ata? Now that it booted you can try the 4.2 kernel (though since you said it worked on a 3.2 kernel this seems like it may not do mcuh)
21:39<somiaj>but yea, it is a strange issue, unsure what the best approach is
21:39<TheAmorphous>Okay so I'm going to try another install to this old SSD I have lying around. Do you recommend I A.) copy the image from this funky one to the new one and try that or B.) do a completely fresh install from iso?
21:39<TheAmorphous>I'm fairly new to Linux, what's dmesg?
21:40<bremner>systemctl -b
21:40<bremner>err, journalctl -b
21:40*bremner is too sleepy
21:40<TheAmorphous>No journal files were found
21:40<TheAmorphous>Quite alright, I've been drinking so it evens out
21:40<bremner>need to be root for journalctl (or in the right group).
21:41<bremner>dmesg might be fine for a normal user
21:41<somiaj>TheAmorphous: probabaly try from scratch, just in case the artifact is lying in your install
21:42<TheAmorphous>No AGP bridge found, hah. Haven't seen anything AGP in ages
21:42<somiaj>that is probabaly just because the default debian kernel looks for it by default
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21:43<somiaj>i.e. debian needs to be able to run on older hardware too
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21:44<TheAmorphous>Okay journalctl is just showing from the last boot right? Which in this case is the successful one.
21:44<TheAmorphous>Because it's showing ata1 through ata6, which is correct. Five HDDs + SSD with root
21:45<somiaj>TheAmorphous: it can show older logs too
21:45<TheAmorphous>How do I bring up the one from the last failed attempt? All of this looks correct.
21:46<somiaj>man journalctl
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21:48<somiaj>http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/159221/how-display-log-messages-from-previous-boots-under-centos-7
21:48<somiaj>if journalctl --boot=-1 doesn't work, then by default it isn't configure to have presistance logs
21:48<TheAmorphous>I tried -1 and it couldn't find it
21:48<TheAmorphous>-0 appears to be the current one?
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21:49<TheAmorphous>I wonder if I can access this from that initramfs shell when it fails
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21:57<paxmark9>as above - if up "sudo journalctl -b -0 good tool to get used to
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22:02<TheAmorphous>Okay guys, new information!
22:02<TheAmorphous>I unplugged all the HDDs that comprise the md0 raid
22:02<TheAmorphous>Commented out the md0 line from fstab
22:02<TheAmorphous>With just the SSD plugged in, Debian has successfully booted three times in a row now.
22:03<TheAmorphous>Is mdadm being naughty?
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22:10<paxmark9>TheAmorphous, that might point to a hardware problem in one of the ata's
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22:12<TheAmorphous>I think I'm inclined to agree. On the fourth attempt to boot with just the SSD it stopped finding a boot device entirely.
22:12<TheAmorphous>It's showing up in the bios but I can't boot from it at all now
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22:14<bjmgeek>TheAmorphous: sounds like xkcd.com/349
22:15<danielsh>Actually I just think the three-in-a-row was pure chance.
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22:20<TheAmorphous>I'm trying a different SSD. I pray to the gods it's the motherboard and not the other SSD...
22:20<TheAmorphous>Otherwise the past 24 hours of installation and configuration were for naught
22:21<danielsh>What are the odds that both SSDs have identical hardware problems? e.g., are they different manufacturers?
22:21<TheAmorphous>Different yes. This is a very old Intel. Don't know if it'll have problems yet; running the install on it now.
22:22<TheAmorphous>The other SSD is causing this PC to freak out now. I can't even get into bios settings with it plugged in.
22:22<TheAmorphous>Never seen anything like it
22:22<danielsh>doesn't ring a bell here either
22:22<TheAmorphous>I'm hoping this SSD does the same thing, honestly. I'd much rather order a replacement motherboard than reinstall all this crap.
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22:23<danielsh>you don't have two disks on a single SATA socket or some such, do you?
22:23<TheAmorphous>Nah
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22:23<TheAmorphous>Just had the one SSD plugged in and nothing else
22:23<TheAmorphous>since removing all the array HDDs to get them out of the equation
22:23<TheAmorphous>I thought mdadm was the problem until this one just stopped booting altogether
22:23<danielsh>(good idea)
22:24<danielsh>weren't you going to try a different distro / OS earlier ?
22:24<TheAmorphous>No. Here's the long and short of it:
22:24<TheAmorphous>This Kingston SSD has been running Ubuntu on another box for the past year.
22:25<TheAmorphous>The other day I imaged this Kingston's Ubuntu installation and put it on an older SSD. That machine is running fine with the older SSD still.
22:25<TheAmorphous>I then installed Debian onto the Kingston and everything worked fine the first few hours.
22:25<TheAmorphous>I was able to set up a large five HDD array and install all of my software on the Kingston's Debian installation
22:26<TheAmorphous>Then it started this gave up waiting for root device nonsense that I came here for help with
22:26<danielsh>So the SDD has worked for the last year, but both the OS install and the motherboard are new?
22:26<TheAmorphous>Correcto
22:26<danielsh>Is the install media good?
22:26<TheAmorphous>Brand new motherboard and CPU in this box. Brand new Debian install.
22:26<danielsh>(It might have a self-check option in the boot menu?)
22:26<TheAmorphous>Well I mean, when it booted successfully it worked fine for 12+ hours.
22:27<TheAmorphous>I'd just have to reboot a couple times before it would work properly.
22:27<TheAmorphous>So I removed the raid HDDs, and just had the Kingston with Debian plugged in. That's when it booted fine three times in a row.
22:28<TheAmorphous>Then it just... stopped. Can't boot from it at all now. Can't even get into UEFI with it plugged in.
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22:28<TheAmorphous>Like, I don't even get the motherboard Gigabyte splash screen when I power on. It just goes straight to insert bootable media.
22:28<danielsh>And when you plug no disks at all, can you get to the bios then?
22:28<TheAmorphous>Yessir
22:28<danielsh>Sounds like the older disk simply isn't recognised
22:29<TheAmorphous>I'm really hoping that's not the case
22:29<danielsh>Or maybe it's not bootable?
22:29<TheAmorphous>I'm installing to an old Intel SSD right now to find out
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22:29<TheAmorphous>Right now I'm worried the Kingston was on its last leg when I installed Debian the other day and I didn't realize it. And it just got progressively worse before giving up the ghost just now.
22:30<danielsh>That's not a typical SSD failure mode, is it?
22:30<TheAmorphous>That would really suck because I spent a lot of time installing and configuring all my stuff. I'm a Linux novice, so that was no small task.
22:30<TheAmorphous>In my experience SSDs work fine until they don't.
22:30<danielsh>You've heard of puppet/chef/salt/ansible/etc ?
22:30<TheAmorphous>No idea what any of that is
22:31<danielsh>Configuration managers
22:31<danielsh>You tell them "I want to have <this> computer configured <that> way" and then you press "Go" and they make it happen
22:31<TheAmorphous>Enh, half the point of doing all this in Linux was to learn more
22:32<TheAmorphous>This isn't a work machine or anything. It's all hobby stuff.
22:32<TheAmorphous>Actually, the whole point of this build was to replace an aging media server that's doing some reallllly weird stuff. That's a long story though.
22:32<danielsh>They aren't point-and-click tools...
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22:33<danielsh>They're more about automation and repeatability
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22:40<somiaj>TheAmorphous: still sounds like hardware to me. Hope you get it figured out, and maybe if you get a chance back make a backup of the drive so you can at least use your old configs to help the second tiem you do this
22:40<somiaj>TheAmorphous: but since it is a learning project, doing it twice will help learn it better
22:41<TheAmorphous>Yeah, I'll just have to figure out how to mount this array in mdadm. I've never mounted an existing array, always created a new one.
22:42<TheAmorphous>So more learning, yay
22:43<somiaj>yea raids are out of my experience
22:43<TheAmorphous>It just booted successfully four times in a row from the old Intel SSD :(
22:44<TheAmorphous>Okay this is odd. I used the same install ISO this time but the partitions on this drive are different from the installation on the Kingston.
22:44<TheAmorphous>The Kingston had a ~500MB FAT32 partition. This one doesn't.
22:46<somiaj>you mean the efi partition? Did you boot the installer in efi mode or legacy mode?
22:46<somiaj>Are you using an actual debian isntaller or a debian live image?
22:46<TheAmorphous>I... don't know
22:47<TheAmorphous>I think it was a live image, but I never actually booted into Debian from the USB stick
22:47<somiaj>TheAmorphous: the live images only use legacy mbr boot and so the installer won't create a 500mb fat32 efi partition (which is needed for efi boot)
22:48<somiaj>TheAmorphous: if you want to use efi boot you will need to use an offical debian isntaller (and not a live image -- though you can boot a live image right up into the isntaller, it is just via legacy boot)
22:48<TheAmorphous>I'll have to do some reading up on that. I don't understand the difference.
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22:48<TheAmorphous>What difference does it make once the install is done?
22:49<somiaj>TheAmorphous: efi boot is the new standard and a bit more versitle.
22:49<somiaj>TheAmorphous: a lot is how the os is booted, and a bit is tied into the partitioning format
22:49<TheAmorphous>Okay so I just plugged the Kingston back in and I was able to get into bios. It recognizes it and gives me two options for boot: UEFI: Kingston and P0: Kingston
22:50<somiaj>TheAmorphous: but once booted there is little difference. Just realize that mbr partitions can't exceeded 2TB and you have to deal with the 4 primarly and then extneded partition table stuff
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22:50<somiaj>note you can boot legacy (mbr) style with a gpt partition table, you just need to be careful when setting this up.
22:51<somiaj>TheAmorphous: many mobos support both uefi (the new efi standard but still the same thing) and legacy (mbr) boot
22:51<TheAmorphous>Neither will actually boot. I just get reboot and select proper boot device
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23:17<TheAmorphous>Okay guys, if anyone's still on that can help... I just cloned the (supposedly) failing Kingston over to an old SSD I had lying around. It's doing the exact same thing. Can't boot from it at all.
23:17<TheAmorphous>So the SSD isn't the issue. How can I fix this installation if I can't boot from it?
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23:43<TheAmorphous>Can anyone tell me how to get this drive bootable again? From a live USB stick I ran gparted and the sda1 fat32 partition is flagged boot and esp, but it always fails booting from it.
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