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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-12-23

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00:16-!-Yst is "Yst Dawson" on #ahmia #guardianproject #moocows #oftc #debian-offtopic #debian-next #tor #debian #
00:17<twb>Hrmph, so I have the auto-logout part working, but not the notification
00:17<twb>http://sprunge.us/Chjj?ini
00:19<twb>It's *supposed* to be passing it through system(), so either it's not, or ... I dunno.
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00:38<twb>Aha! -time is in minutes, but -notify is in seconds. Flipping programmers.
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00:45<johnfg>hi folks
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00:46<johnfg>Just got this when attempting to do a reinstall: E: Internal Error, No file name for linux-image-3.2.0-4-486:i386
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00:50<johnfg>When I tried with apt-get install, i got this error: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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00:52<johnfg>Here's what i ran first (per somiaj) a few nights ago: aptitude -o DPkg:::Options::='force-confmiss' reinstall linux-image-3.2.0-4-486
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00:52<johnfg>any ideas as to how to fix this?
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01:00-!-Yst is "Yst Dawson" on #ahmia #guardianproject #moocows #oftc #debian-offtopic #debian-next #tor #debian #
01:00<johnfg>Just got this when attempting to do a reinstall: E: Internal Error, No file name for linux-image-3.2.0-4-486:i386
01:00<johnfg>Here's what i ran first (per somiaj) a few nights ago: aptitude -o DPkg:::Options::='force-confmiss' reinstall linux-image-3.2.0-4-486
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01:00<johnfg>any ideas as to how to fix this?
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06:06<mateus>hi all, how to install steam throught command line?
06:07<jm_>http://wiki.debian.org/Steam
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06:30<benjamin_>can one upgrade kde on debian 8? I'd like to get off 4.2 and onto 5.5
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06:31<mateus>ok
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06:42<Brigo>,v kde-standard
06:42<judd>Package: kde-standard on amd64 -- squeeze: 5:66; wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; jessie: 5:84; sid: 5:90; stretch: 5:90
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06:42<Brigo>benjamin_, kde is already in version 5 in Jessie
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06:44<jm_>5: is epoch number, not kde version
06:44<lyz>,v plasma-desktop
06:44<judd>Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-7+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; sid: 4:5.4.3-1; stretch: 4:5.4.3-1
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06:47<benjamin_>thanks, I checked the about on KDE apps and it was giving me 4.2, hence my confusion
06:47<lyz>benjamin_: short answer is no (assuming you are using jessie), long answer is complicated, kde5 is not on jessie backports
06:48<bremner>and installing sid/stretch packages directly is nearly certain to fail in mysterious ways
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07:57<leonardo0112>Hi guys! When I test my localhost website on Iceweasel the function navigator.geolocation.getCurrentPosition() trhows an error message: "Unknown error acquiring position"
07:57<leonardo0112>Does Iceweasel accept geolocation?
07:58<leonardo0112>On Chrome and Firefox everything works fine
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08:02<fiveHIGH>Hello, can i run whatsapp / telegram on debian with pidgin?
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08:36<ThomasKeller>when I partition HDD using fdisk,
08:36<ThomasKeller>the first 512 B are MBR, and the first partition starts at 1MB
08:36<ThomasKeller>I understand, the first MB is not used for anything
08:36<ThomasKeller>(other than hiding viruses)
08:36<ThomasKeller>how is this first MB called ?
08:36<ThomasKeller>does it have a name ?
08:37<babilen>"Karl"
08:37<babilen>It doesn't have a name and this is probably only done for alignment purposes (I typically align on 2M blocks though)
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08:47<jelly>windows vista and newer align on 1MiB so it's likely all the hdd/ssd vendors will work well with that
08:47<jelly>ThomasKeller: grub stage 2 hides there on BIOS (MBR) systems.
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08:57<ThomasKeller>jelly: is it because grub stage 2 is too large to fit into the 512B ?
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09:07<valdyn>ThomasKeller: grub2 can be pretty large , see /boot/grub/*.mod
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09:07<prectOS>hey
09:08<prectOS>So i've downloaded mmc which is a media converter, and then when i tried to install it it says that this lib is missing
09:08<prectOS>prectOS
09:08<prectOS>the lib lib32stdc++6
09:08<valdyn>prectOS: not debian
09:08<prectOS>Debian stretch
09:09<valdyn>!stretch
09:09<dpkg>The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch
09:09<valdyn>prectOS: not debian.
09:09<valdyn>judd: versions lib32stdc++6
09:09<prectOS>not debian what?
09:09<judd>Package: lib32stdc++6 on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.4.5-8; wheezy: 4.7.2-5; jessie: 4.9.2-10; stretch: 5.3.1-3; sid: 5.3.1-4; experimental: 6-20151220-1
09:09<valdyn>prectOS: your media converter
09:09<prectOS>experimental?
09:10<prectOS>wait
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09:10<prectOS>this is the link https://www.miksoft.net/mobileMediaConverterDown.php
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09:12<valdyn>prectOS: they give a list dependencies that you are supposed to install. Did you follow those instructions?
09:12<prectOS>They didn't give any instructions?
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09:13<prectOS>There's just some dependencies mentioned, nothing else
09:13<valdyn>ok, so you dont know how to install those dependencies?
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09:14<valdyn>(i consider that list of dependencies "instructions", but doesnt matter)
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09:15<prectOS>But my architecture isn't amd64
09:15<prectOS>its i386
09:15<jelly>ThomasKeller: yes.
09:16<valdyn>!multiarch
09:16<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
09:16<valdyn>prectOS: ^^
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09:17<prectOS>The app will use this lib and it will work normally?
09:17<valdyn>prectOS: i dont know this app
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09:18<prectOS>So how to install this lib
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09:18<prectOS>My sources are all set to testing
09:19<jelly>prectOS: the dependencies for that package are rather broken. You can _try_ to satisfy them by enabling amd64 foreign architecture, then trying to install the .deb file and doing "apt-get -f install" when that fails.
09:19<jelly> Architecture: i386
09:19<jelly> Depends: lib32stdc++6:amd64, libc6:i386 (>=2.3), libglib2.0-0:i386 (>=2.2.0), libgtk2.0-0:i386 (>=2.2.0), mencoder:amd64
09:19<valdyn>prectOS: you enable multiarch and then you install it
09:20<jelly>wtf did they not depend on libstdc++6:i386 ? Who can say.
09:20<jelly>and not rely on a specific arch for mencoder
09:20<valdyn>prectOS: thats fucked up by the miksoft guys maybe, but it still should work
09:20<prectOS>Is there another media converter?
09:20<prectOS>lol
09:20<jelly>what's a media converter?
09:21<valdyn>prectOS: probably you want handbrake-gtk
09:21<bl1q>hi everyone, who knows regular expressions ?need to find the fractional numbers such as 1.4 , 1.5, 1.6 ..
09:21<valdyn>judd: versions handbrake-gtk
09:21<prectOS>Like converting a media file from 3gp to mp4
09:21<judd>Package: handbrake-gtk on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.8+git20121007-dmo7; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.10.1-dmo3+1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.10.2-dmo4
09:21<bl1q>can somebody help?
09:21<valdyn>judd: versions handbrake
09:21<judd>Package: handbrake on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.8+git20121007-dmo7; wheezy-backports: 0.9.9+dfsg-2~2.gbpa4c3e9~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.9.9+svn6422+dfsg1-2; stretch: 0.10.2+ds1-1+b3; sid: 0.10.2+ds1-2; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.10.1-dmo3+1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.10.2-dmo4
09:21<prectOS>With a user interface
09:21<valdyn>just handbrake
09:21<prectOS>a graphical one ?
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09:25<blast007>prectOS: 'apt-cache show handbrake' and I think you'll know the answer to that question
09:27<prectOS>It will get a lot of libraries?
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09:27<prectOS>Why would someone name a package handbrake
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09:28<jelly>bl1q: there's a #regex channel over on freenode network
09:29<prectOS>So i installed it now what
09:29<grove>bl1q: That doesn't sound like a debian question, and you need to be more specific anyway, but something like /[0-9]+\.[0-9]+/
09:29<jelly>,i handbrake-gtk
09:29<judd>No package named 'handbrake-gtk' was found in jessie/amd64.
09:29<jelly>oh, dmo only
09:29<jelly>,i handbrake
09:29<judd>Package handbrake (graphics, optional) in jessie/amd64: versatile DVD ripper and video transcoder (GTK+ GUI). Version: 0.9.9+svn6422+dfsg1-2; Size: 5347.2k; Installed: 9858k; Homepage: http://www.handbrake.fr/
09:30<jelly>prectOS: presumably you start it and use it?
09:30<prectOS>So nice
09:30<prectOS>IU thought its a sort of libs packaged in one
09:31<bl1q>thx guys!
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09:33<prectOS>Nice interface, it works too /
09:33<prectOS>Thanks peeps, i hope u get beaten by another os one day
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10:05<prakhar>*prakhar
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11:12<guardian>what's the proper way to make an iptables rule persistent?
11:13<Brigo>guardian, i think installing iptables-persistent
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11:14<guardian>do you recommend that over having a /etc/network.d/if-up.d/iptables script that adds a prerouting route for ssh port forwarding?
11:14<guardian>it's the only thing I need
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11:26<danielsh>'latexmk' and 'latex-mk' appear to be two unrelated packages...
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11:30<dogukanhan>hi
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11:33<kblin>hi folks
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12:12<GuyFox>hello
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12:12<GuyFox>hello
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12:18<jab>hello
12:18<maison_>hello
12:19<jab>you ingles
12:19<maison_>french
12:19<jab>entiendes español
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12:19<maison_>poco
12:20<jab>de que parte de francia eres
12:20<maison_>paris
12:20<jab>estuve ayer all
12:20<jab>yo soy de españa de madrid
12:20<maison_>ok
12:20<blast007>!offtopic
12:20<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
12:21<jab>cuantos años tienes
12:21<maison_>34
12:21<jab>tengo yo 15 años
12:21<jab>jajajaja
12:21<maison_>ok
12:21<SynrG>enough. this isn't the place for it
12:21<danielsh>!es
12:21<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
12:21<SynrG>!es-social
12:21<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
12:22<jab>como te llamas
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12:22<jab>como te llamas
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12:23<jab>eo como te llamas
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12:23<maison_>SynrG can you help me for something
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12:23<SynrGy>maison_: if it's a debian problem, that's what we're here for
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12:25<fiveHIGH>Windows > Linux
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12:28<maison_>i am on Gnome and when I remove the ethernet cable, WiFi connection wizard goes too
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12:31<SynrG>maison_: is wifi disabled, then?
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12:31-!-Yst is "Yst Dawson" on #ahmia #guardianproject #moocows #oftc #debian-offtopic #debian-next #tor #debian #
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12:31<maison_>yes
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12:32<SynrG>does re-enabling wifi make it appear again?
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12:33<SynrG>i mean using keyboard shortcut
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12:37<maison_>when the ethernet cable is plugged in, the icon of the wizard appears, I connected the wifi otherwise I can not
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12:38<SynrG>maison_: which release of debian are you on? i can't reproduce that issue
12:38<maison_>jessie
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12:38<SynrG>and which desktop?
12:38<maison_>gnome
12:39<drewv>I've created a debian installation on a USB drive. When I boot the disk image in qemu or virtualbox, everything works. When I boot it on hardware systemd-logind fails to start.
12:39<SynrG>well, i used to know a setting in old gnome2 to make it always stick around. i don't know it anymore ...
12:39<SynrG>maison_: are you using any third-party extensions with gnome?
12:40<drewv>On screen, systemd provides the systemctl command to run to get some error info but I cannot login to run that command. When I plug the USB drive into another computer, these are the logind messages in the syslog: http://pastebin.ca/3298873
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12:41<maison_>no i use the gnome wizard for wifi
12:41<drewv>When I mount the USB partition on another machine and chroot into it, systemctl errors out because dbus and systemd are not running and systemd refuses to run inside a chroot.
12:41<drewv>Anyone have ideas on how I can determine why systemd-logind is failing?
12:41<SynrG>maison_: so you said. i just know that extensions can sometimes cause issues.
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12:42<SynrG>maison_: i don't know. i lack a test platform here to easily verify your issue
12:42<SynrG>if wifi is enabled (press the laptop's wifi toggle) then it should show up
12:42<maison_>ok
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12:44<maison_>thanks
12:44<mtn>maison_: your situation should not happen, I use gnome and don't have that problem. extensions are a very good thing to look at.
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12:45<mtn>maison_: open tweak tool and see which extensions are on
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12:50<somiaj>maison_, SynrG: Wasn't following but would looking at rfkill help (see if it is a hardware or softawre kill switch)?
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12:51<SynrG>not even sure that's the issue
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12:52<SynrG>if i disable both wifi *and* ethernet, nm sticks around in my system tray
12:52<SynrG>granted, this is on sid and also not on gnome, but i don't think this has fundamentally changed in a very long time
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12:52<SynrG>i remember a long time ago NM used to disappear, but not since gnome2
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14:10<Harry>hi
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14:11<Harry>hello?
14:11<Harry>ANYONE?!?!?
14:11<Harry>HELLO?
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14:12<Harry>HELLO? ANYONE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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14:13<Harry>funkyhat can you see my chat
14:14<Harry>HELLO
14:14<Harry>ANYBODY
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14:16<Sniffs>tell me if you can see my chat
14:16<jelly>Sniffs: yes
14:17<Sniffs> omg thank you
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14:17<jelly>Sniffs: you can do a /msg dpkg ping next time, or if the channel is quiet,
14:17<jelly>!ping
14:17<dpkg>pong
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14:17<Sniffs>i have been on here for 45 min trying to reach someone
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14:19<Delsysjohn>hey folks when i boot my computer i get some strange messages at early boot
14:19<Sniffs>ok
14:21<funkyHat>Sniffs: hi
14:21<Sniffs>hi
14:21<Delsysjohn>hi Sniffs
14:22<jelly>Sniffs: if you want to chat, #moocows is this network's social channel. There is also a #debian-offtopic, while this channel is used for tech support and discussion of Debian operating system. If you have a Debian question, feel free to ask in here.
14:22<funkyHat>Sniffs: often the best way to get a response on a quieter IRC channel is just to get straight to asking your question. People will often check the scrollback when they come back (if you already asked, sorry, I've only just connected. Just guessing :))
14:23<Sniffs>funkyHat, thanks!
14:23<Sniffs>brb everybody
14:24<Delsysjohn>funkyHat: is there a way to pastebin my dmesg with no x from the terminal?
14:25<Sniffs>back
14:25<funkyHat>Delsysjohn: yes, the pastebinit program will do that
14:25<Delsysjohn>funkyHat: tanks
14:25<danielsh>you could use a shell alias such as alias ,Paste='curl -F "f:1=<-" ix.io'
14:26<danielsh>(saves installing a package)
14:28<somiaj>danielsh: I think that will work, you could also write a simple .sh script and store it in $HOME/bin (and put $HOME/bin in your path). I do that with little things like that
14:30<jhutchins>Delsysjohn: There is also GPM, which gives you mouse cut & paste in the console.
14:30<Delsysjohn>jhutchins: whut that sounds awesome how do i get that
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14:31<jhutchins>Delsysjohn: aptitude install gpm
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14:33<Delsysjohn>Setting up gpm (1.20.4-6.1+b2) ...
14:34<Delsysjohn>my bad
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14:39<Delsysjohn>ok here it is, can anyone explain the problems i am having with firmware and why it takes so long to boot http://paste.debian.net/354938/
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14:45<Delsysjohn>about 11.7 into booting it says that debian failed to load firmware for something
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14:47<grove>Delsysjohn: I don't know that card, but a simple search for "snd_cs46xx firmware" suggests that https://wiki.debian.org/snd-cs46xx might help you with the firmware issue
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14:52<grove>As for the long boot, it seems your network card is failing to autonegotiate speed with whatever it's connected to, if that is not supposed to work, you can probably disable it someway (and maybe select something faster than 10Mbit half-duplex), if autonegotiation is supposed to work you probably have some broken hardware
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14:53<Delsysjohn>grove: so in my /etc/network/interfaces if i am not useing eth0 i should remove it from the file?
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15:03<drewv>Anyone know why `dbus-daemon --system`, when run as root inside a chroot, would give a permission denied error on /dev/urandom even though it is mode ugo+rw?
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15:04<drewv>I assume it must be dropping permissions, but that alone doesn't explain the error since the mode would let any user open the device.
15:05<drewv>Hrm. Even 'cat /dev/urandom' fails to open it.
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15:10<drewv>Hrm, I guess I have to bind mount my host /dev. That sucks because I just wanted to start dbus+wicd to preconfigure the guest image.
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15:14<funkyHat>drewv: if you're expecting the chroot to be even vaguely secure then don't bind-mount /dev
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15:15<funkyHat>(but then, chroots are basically just not secure, so just use something else ⢁))
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15:17<drewv>funkyHat: Yeah, no expectations about security. I'm just configuring a disk image before I try to boot it on a machine that lacks a keyboard, etc.
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15:19<Sniffs>hi
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15:21<funkyHat>drewv: ah fine then ⢁). You'll possibly have an easier time if you also bind-mount /sys and /proc too
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15:26<Sniffs>hello anybody there
15:27<funkyHat>Hi again Sniffs. My advice from last time still stands ;)
15:27<Sniffs>what advice?
15:28<Sniffs>this is my fist time connecting
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15:30<Sniffs>jk
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16:17<drewv>I'm copying a kernel file from a debian system to another system and renaming it to "vmlinuz" (no version tag) and doing the same for the config, system map, and initrd image. I want to do this so that I can keep my syslinux.cfg file static when the version I'm copying over changes.
16:17<drewv>Is there a kernel command line parameter I need to pass in to tell the kernel where the system map file is?
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16:18<drewv>I'm not seeing anything analogous to initrd= in this document: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
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16:34<lindi-_>drewv: the kernel does not need the System.map file for anything
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16:35<lindi-_>drewv: the same information is already inside the kernel image itself
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21:22<Arcade>quick question: does gnome-logs not work yet under jessie yet due to not using systemd fully?
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21:39<elton>eai povo!
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21:48<escallic>Trying to configure static IP on raspbian jessie for eth0. Only default DHCP configuration works. Tried to change /etc/network/interfaces line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" to "iface eth0 inet static" and below that added lines for address, netmask, and gateway. Tried editing /etc/resolv.conf to 8.8.8.8. Tried "update-rc.d dhcpcd disable" and "/etc/init.d/networking restart" commands after editing. Please help! :(
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21:51<Arcade>escallic, what does #ifconfig show as for the adapter name. Can you also paste the code in using debian paste
21:51<Arcade>http://paste.debian.net/
21:55<Arcade>take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
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22:03<Arcade>escallic,you can also check to see if the networking service is running using #systemctl status networking.service
22:04<bremner>who knows if !raspian even uses systemd
22:05<bremner>!raspian
22:05<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
22:05<bremner>stupid bot.
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22:14<escallic>I pasted the ifconfig output. Sorry it took so long
22:14<escallic>paste.debian.net/354986
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22:28<escallic>and "systemctl status networking.service" outputs: http://paste.debian.net/354987 It looks like the adapter name is eth0 and that the networking service is running.
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22:49<Arcade>looks like it still is wanting to use dhcp possibly /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0
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22:54<Arcade>when configuring mine to static it works fine
22:54<Arcade>I would try #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
22:56<Arcade>it looks like its possibly using dhcp still
22:56<Arcade>also: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd
22:58<escallic>Arcade, thanks for your help and all the resources. ;)
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22:59<Arcade>looks like it uses /etc/dhcpcd.conf escallic possibly
23:00<Arcade>yeah it does
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23:01<Arcade>looking at: http://pi-hole.net/faq/how-do-i-set-a-static-ip-address-in-raspbian-jessie-using-etcdhcpcd-conf/
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23:10<escallic>Arcade, the static IP works! The link for dhcpcd really helped. Thanks so much :D
23:11<Arcade>Yeah had to do some digging. it uses dhcpcd rather than networkd
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23:49<Celelibi>dpkg and apt are thread safe, right?
23:49<dpkg>...but and apt is already something else...
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23:49<Celelibi>I don't talk to to, bot.
23:50<Celelibi>I mean I can run "apt-get update" and "apt-get remove --purge" concurrently, and it let them happen in parallel.
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23:58<jelly>Celelibi: no, you can't. One will lock out the other.
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23:58<Celelibi>It didn't.
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23:59<jelly>locking is done on dpkg level IIRC and in general it's not safe to run two apts at the same time
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