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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-12-24

---Logopened Thu Dec 24 00:00:33 2015
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00:08<nuxnube>is there a channel for noobs
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00:15<Cande>hola
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00:38<Yehochanan>greetings
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01:54<himanshu>Hello
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01:56<himanshu>Can anyone please tell me how to use this?
01:57<jm_>with "this" being?
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01:58<himanshu>IRC?
01:58<himanshu>I am new to this.
01:58<yehochanan>May I ask what your question is ?
01:58<jm_>what's your goal in using IRC?
01:58<himanshu>I am a student
01:58<himanshu>and learning how to use lonux
01:58<himanshu>linux
01:59<himanshu>I suddenly came across the XChat option.
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01:59<jm_>this is a support channel for debian, we only help with issues related to debian, if you have some other questions then other channels are more appropriate, i.e. #debian-offtopic etc.
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02:00<yehochanan>You could try the #linux channel on freenode
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02:01<himanshu_>Is Ubuntu debian based
02:02<jm_>!ubuntuirc
02:02<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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03:08<yehochanan>good night all
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03:09<MrPlop>morning all
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03:46<blubee>Hello guys I know about /etx/xdg/autostart to run applications at startup
03:46<blubee>but I need to run a few commands
03:46<blubee>to enable brightness controls as well as restore the previous settings
03:46<blubee>but I can't seem to figure out hwo to do it
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03:47<blubee>initially i wrote them in my /etc/rc.local file and that worked but systemctl said rc.local wasn't loading properly
03:47<blubee>is there any place that I could write these two commands to load after X has started?
03:48<jm_>how do you start X? which DE?
03:54<blubee>jm it's gnome
03:55<jm_>blubee: http://www.stylesen.org/gnome_3x_startup_applications_debian_jessie
03:55<blubee>it's not an application just a few commands
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03:56<jm_>it's the same
03:56<jm_>apparently ~/.config/autostart also works
03:58<blubee>i'll restart and see
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04:14<pootsmk>Hi, I did a netinstall of Jessie without desktop environment ... I tried to install Debian desktop environment and LXDE from tasksel, but after rebooting it didn't automatically go to lightdm (just login shell) ... How do I make it so it just automatically boots to graphical now?
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04:16<pootsmk>I tried adding `exec startlxde` to ~/.xinitrc and then running startx but it says my user does't have permission to start x (even though I have it set to allow any console users) because X is "unable to determine if running on a console"
04:16<jm_>what does 'systemctl get-default' show?
04:18*pootsmk is gonna go fetch a beer ...
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04:50<herock88>hello to all nice to meet you! :)
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04:50<pootsmk>hi herock88
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06:51<vinicius>How can I make a package understand that some of its dependencies are installed from source (without apt)?
06:51<vinicius>If that's even possible...
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06:55<stelicho>hi all, I sold my computer and mmade a backup of my files on an external and formated the drive with LUKS-EXT4. Well I got an older macbook and need to get the files off the drive to reformat it so that I can share them between OS X and a clean install of Jessie. I don't have enough space to have both installed and all the files...
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06:57<stelicho>vinicius, you can install the deps that you need for the package and double check you have the minimum already installed then force the install of your package. Should work without breaking, what is the package in question?
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06:57<vinicius>stelicho, it's squid
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06:59<vinicius>stelicho, i'll just force the installation, thanks
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07:00<jm_>!equivs
07:00<dpkg>equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
07:00<jm_>oh well
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07:01<stelicho>the -f option is kinda hinky and the solution jm_ provided is better but force install has worked for me in the past
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08:34<EmleyMoo1>netfilter iptables... am I correct in thinking that they should always be processed "from the top"?
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08:36<EmleyMoo1>(I have an IPv6 communication which unexpectedly failed, seemingly blocked by iptables)
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08:45<kblin>hi folks
08:45<bytemonkey>hello
08:45<kblin>I'm trying to get a network install going on a server where I need to do VLAN tagging on the interface myself
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08:46<kblin>how do I set a vlan in the debian installer?
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09:58<ee2455>Hi, does anybody use mozilla.debian.net to get the latest Iceweasel/Firefox? Version 43 came out a few days ago but I'm still on version 42 (running Debian Wheezy).
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10:00<lostatwork>yeah I use it and it already upgraded
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10:02<ee2455>lostatwork: Could you tell me the deb line you're using in your sources.list file?
10:03<lostatwork>ee2455: deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports iceweasel-release
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10:04<ee2455>Since I'm on Wheezy, mine is: deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-release
10:04<lostatwork>that would make sense
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10:05<lostatwork>could be they ran into an issues and it isn't done yet for wheezy
10:06<ee2455>Perhaps. But it's already more than a week I think.
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10:09<ee2455>Is there a way to check what version of Iceweasel mozilla.debian.net has?
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10:14<lostatwork>ee2455: might be
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10:16<ee2455>lostatwork: i.e. a way to "manually" download the list of packages the repository holds.
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10:21<lostatwork>ee2455: that I don't know
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10:27<bremner>ee2455: you can run "apt-cache policy package" or you can try browsing the web site
10:28<rev>ee2455: manually like via a browser or wget ?
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10:28<ee2455>rev: Either would be fine...
10:28<rev>http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/
10:29<w0bni>How crazy is it to run sid?
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10:30<w0bni>I really want not having to rewrite my awesome configuration, but if I risk I really unstable system I guess it might be worth it
10:30<ee2455>rev: Thanks!
10:31<bremner>w0bni: you could switch to i3, for less config chaos ;)
10:32<lostatwork>w0bni: just backport awesome yourself
10:32<ee2455>lostatwork, bremner: Thank you for your help too.
10:33<w0bni>lostatwork: That's so crazy it just might work!
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10:35<lostatwork>w0bni: it works quite well for me and only takes about 5 minutes
10:35<w0bni>lostatwork: then I'll go with Jessie this time as well, but try backporting rather than installng unstable packages
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10:35<w0bni>thanks!
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10:36<lostatwork>w0bni: here is the article I use for that https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/15/howto-to-rebuild-debian-packages/
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10:36<w0bni>lostatwork: thanks :)
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10:37<lostatwork>w0bni: no problem
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10:46<bremner>w0bni: see also !ssb
10:47<bremner>!ssb
10:47<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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10:53<xubuntu>hi
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11:43<Darby_Crash>hi guys, merry Christmas to all
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12:33<w0bni>I can't figure out how to get netinst to use my BCM43228 card
12:33<cra1g321>w0bni, using the iso with firmware included ?
12:33<w0bni>I have an iso including various nonfree packages
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12:33<w0bni>but how do I install it?
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12:34<w0bni>Do I have to install system and package manager and then hope it works?
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12:42<w0bni>ok, seems not to work
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12:43<w0bni>How do I manually make the installer install a driver?
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13:16<IRLC_ind>whats wrong with aptitude that during installing X it offers me to keep X uninstalled? :)
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13:19<IRLC_ind>i thought it should offer ways to install X, and only them :)
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14:27-!-Yst is "Yst Dawson" on #ahmia #guardianproject #moocows #oftc #debian-offtopic #debian-next #tor #debian #
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14:56<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to determine why my 6Gb/s capable disks are only doing 3Gb/s?
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14:58<k_>EmleyMoor, you may use hdparm
14:58<k_>tell EmleyMoor about hdparm
14:59<k_>!tell EmleyMoor about hdparm
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15:15<thomas>Hi
15:16<thomas>is there anyone who have experience with Debian on Nokia Phones?
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15:21<JHCShGVgFV>http://nomanslandradio.com/
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15:57<thomas>is there anyone who have experience with Debian on Nokia Phones?
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16:02<lzz>thomas, maybe you should ask the question directly...although i don't have much experience with nokia phones
16:02<lzz>!ask
16:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:09<thomas>@lzz: I only want to install a Debian 7, 8 or 9 on a Nokia N97
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16:10<thomas>but at the Internet is nothing about this
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16:12<lzz>oh, you mean N97 is running debian, interesting idea but i don't have experience installing debian on small devices....
16:13<lzz>closest i have been but not close enough, installing cyanogenmod on sonyericsson phone
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16:16<thomas>on the Bufflo HS-DHGL it is not a Problem to install debian, and there are simiular hardware resources, i only need the information to get the installer on the Phone
16:17<thomas>but this is a bigger Problem
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16:40<EmleyMoor>I've had an odd occurrence of my router's iptables occasionally blocking something, despite an early rule that allows everything from the IPv6 network concerned. Why would that happen?
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16:52<Yst>When I upgraded my system, Aptitude recommended that I install linux-firmware-free, so I did that. When I did, I received this error message:
16:52<Yst>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3
16:52<Yst>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso.bin for module tg3
16:52<Yst>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3.bin for module tg3
16:53<Yst>What should I do about the possibly-missing firmware?
16:53<sney>tg3 is a network driver, if your network interfaces are working as expected then you can just ignore that warning
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16:55<Yst>Alright, I think that the interfaces work, though the machine has not restarted since the installation though.
16:55<Yst>THank you, sney!
16:56<sney>np
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16:58<thomas>Hey sney: do you have experience with Debian on Nokia N97?
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16:59<EmleyMoor>I used to have an N97 - didn't know it could run Debian
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17:00<thomas>ARM11 434MHz processor and 128MB of RAM
17:00<thomas>That's more than you need for debian 7 in console mode
17:01<thomas>with gnome you have less RAM :D
17:02<thomas>the Problem is to find a installer for the Phone :D
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18:12<lindi-_>thomas: 128 MB is not enough for decent web browsing anymore unfortunately
18:13<thomas>but fore the debian without a GUI it is enough
18:14<lindi-_>thomas: I guess but it's not really useful without a GUI?
18:14<lindi-_>thomas: I mean, you can get much more decent ARM hardware for running Debian if you don't need a GUI
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18:19<thomas>I am a Cosole user of Debian, Iam a ServerAdmin of more than one server
18:21<lindi-_>thomas: anyways, N97 is a symbian phone, you need to figure out how to run linux on it before you can even think about using debian there
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18:23<w0bni>okay, finally got wifi
18:23<thomas>:D it have a ARM11 434MHz processor ARM = Debian compatible
18:24<w0bni>is there a way to run the installer after having installed?
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18:24<w0bni>like, dropping in after partitioning?
18:25<lindi-_>thomas: not so simple
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18:26<lindi-_>thomas: without support for the system on chip (SoC) you can't even get Linux to boot
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18:31<thomas>@lindi-_: Why always so negative
18:32<lindi-_>thomas: just being realistic here :)
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18:33<thomas>you are not realistic , you are a pessimist
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18:35<lindi-_>thomas: I wouldn't say so. I've booted linux on nokia 9110 and ran debian on openmoko as my primary phone for four years or so
18:35<lindi-_>thomas: and I'm saying that there's a lot of work involved if you want to even think about running debian on a phone that is designed to run symbian
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18:36<lindi-_>thomas: if you want to do this to learn then go for it :)
18:36<thomas>Yes i Do
18:37<w0bni>or somehow find a list of exactly what the Jessie installer does?
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18:40<thomas>okay thx , I'll now offline see you
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18:42<musca>w0bni: if you want to install from a running linux you can use debootstrap
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18:43<musca>!debootstrap
18:43<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap
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18:47<w0bni>musca: that seems like it might work, thanks!
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18:49<w0bni>However, it seems I really just want to run "tasksel"
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18:50<w0bni>nothing happens when I run the tasksel command, though
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19:00<franklin>hi
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19:01<franklin>Tem algum Brasileiro?
19:01<w0bni>musca: debootstrap seems a bit too hard for me
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19:02<w0bni>is there another way to just.. get some basic packages?
19:02<franklin>bgfb
19:02<franklin>bbdb
19:02<musca>yes, it creates a second install
19:02<w0bni>I am very happy with what I have, I just need the part netinst couldn't get me due to lack of wifi
19:02<franklin>HI, what version of debian you use?
19:03<franklin>I new in this chat @-@---,
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19:03<musca>w0bni: apt-get update
19:03<w0bni>(if I remember correctly, a lot of gnome tools and a print server/ssh server, at least?)
19:04<w0bni>musca: I configured sources.list and ran apt-get update
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19:05<w0bni>now I just need to figure out what I want - currently I boot to a terminal
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19:05<musca>then you can install packages with: apt-get install "somepackagename"
19:05<w0bni>but how can I figure out which packages a standard Debian install through the installer would install for me?
19:06<w0bni>I'd love to keep my desktop (which the installer worked for) and laptop (which the installer didn't have internet for) as identical as possible
19:06<musca>is the tasksel package installed?
19:06<w0bni>yes, but it doesn't output anything
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19:07<w0bni>musca: ...now it outputs! :D
19:07<w0bni>I am not quite sure how I did it wrong earlier, but now tasksel --list-tasks gives me what I remember from the installer
19:08<w0bni>thank you very much for your help
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19:16<w0bni>is there a way to make tasksel a bit more verbose during an install?
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19:16<w0bni>I run tasksel install print-server and then just.. wait
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19:19<sney>w0bni: you can 'apt-get install task-print-server' instead
19:19<w0bni>sney: ...oh my, that's 500mb download for task-desktop
19:19<w0bni>no wonder it took a while!
19:19<w0bni>thanks
19:19<sney>np
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19:20<w0bni>(task-desktop is the same as the tasksel desktp, right?)
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19:21<sney>'apt-cache show task-desktop' but yes, it should be
19:22<w0bni>sney: cool, thank you!
19:22<w0bni>at least I got to learn some new stuff today
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19:29<Guest2553>hi, I can't create Debian live USB with persistence. Could you help me. Thank you
19:30<Guest2553>I use a Xfce image
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19:39<somiaj>Guest2553: what have you tried?
19:39<somiaj>Guest2553: what instructions are you following (the instructions changed over the versions)
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19:41<Guest2553>I create a second partition ext4 w ith "live-rw" label. I boot on USB with command "live-amd64 persistent" but it doesn't work. I
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19:42<somiaj>what does the live-amd64 do? I am tyring to find the current documentation as I'm not familar with were it is located after the change in the live project
19:43<Guest2553>it start debian on my usb in command line
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19:44<somiaj>It sounds like you are on the correct path, I can't seem to find the documentation to verify you have labeled the partition correctly.
19:45<somiaj>there is #debian-live, that might get some better answers.
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19:46<Guest2553>ok i will use #debian-live tomorrow. Thank you fot information
19:47<Guest2553>if you are interested look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence
19:48<somiaj>I can't seem to find the documentation anymore, though the project is going under a transition. Hopefully you can find what is needed
19:48<somiaj>Guest2553: it could be ubuntu instructions are slightly different than debian. This I cannot say for sure.
19:49<Guest2553>yes, in a french documentation on debian the labeled partition is "live-rw" . I test it without success
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19:55<somiaj>Guest2553: try just calling the partition "persistence"
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19:55<Guest2553>ok i will do it
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20:09<somiaj>Guest2553: yea I'm unsure which works, I see both and recall there was a change in the naming convention for the different persisence partitions (because it has various different meanings depending on design)
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20:40<somiaj>Guest2553: unsure what is going on. Everything sounds correct. I don't have access to the documentation to double check though.
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21:53<asterixthc>hello, i have configure my own openvpn server on vps, now, i have setup tor and privoxy to run to virtual address (172.17.0.1 for example), how can i setup this to work true?i need to setup iptables?
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22:01<sleser>is it posible to get Saints row gat.out of.hel working on jessie ?
22:01<sleser>im having alot of dependency issues
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