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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-12-25

---Logopened Fri Dec 25 00:00:34 2015
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04:57<jtulak>Hello. I installed Jessie and found that l2tp-ipsec-vpn package is not available. What is the replacement if I want to connect to an L2TP/IPSec VPN? Thank you.
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05:37<jtulak>Hello. I installed Jessie and found that l2tp-ipsec-vpn package is not available. What is the replacement if I want to connect to an L2TP/IPSec VPN? Thank you.
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05:42<musca>,bug rm l2tp-ipsec-vpn
05:42<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/639566 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: l2tp-ipsec-vpn [kfreebsd-* hurd-*] -- ROM; not installable on kfreebsd-* and hurd-*»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-08-28; last modified: 2011-09-26.
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09:26<w0bni>I am following https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/15/howto-to-rebuild-debian-packages/ in order to backport awesome 3.5 to Jessie
09:26<w0bni>but at step two, it says I should use apt-get build-dep to install build dependencies
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09:27<w0bni>Won't this break my system if the dependencies are from unstable?
09:27<bremner>they won't be, by default.
09:27<bremner>if they are versioned, then maybe, so look before saying yes
09:27<kblin>hi folks
09:27<w0bni>bremner: thanks, I'll watch closely
09:28<kblin>still fighting with my debian install using a network interface where I need to set a VLAN tag
09:28<bremner>w0bni: you can also make a throwaway chroot for building packages
09:28<bremner>systemd-nspawn is fairly painless for that.
09:28<kblin>just to make sure, there's no hidden setting for this in the d-i somewhere, is there?
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09:30<bremner>kblin: how do you do it on a running system?
09:30<kblin>bremner: dunno, I don't have a running system yet :)
09:31<kblin>bremner: but I take that means I need to fix the networking in the console, and then proceed with the debian installer from there?
09:31<bremner>kblin: I don't know. I never heard of such a network. We register MACS with our network admins, done.
09:32<bremner>but one approach would be to bring up a second virtual terminal and do "stuff" there
09:32<bremner>but I'm afraid I don't know what it means to apply a vlan tag on the client.
09:33<kblin>I'm not much of a network admin myself, but as far as I'm aware there's two ways to deal with vlans. first is to statically assign the vlan on the switch side
09:34<kblin>and the second is to add the specific tag you want on the client side.
09:34<kblin>so far I've also only ever dealt with version 1
09:34<kblin>but this is a new place, and new servers, and apparently they want me to handle vlans myself
09:35<bremner>kblin: I guess the first step is understand the linux commands to do what they want.
09:35<bremner>it _should_ be cross distro
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09:37<w0bni>how can I show which sources each extra package in apt-get install will be fetched from?
09:38<bremner>w0bni: if you have only deb-src lines for sid, you're safe
09:38<kblin>bremner: good point. some reading up to do
09:38<kblin>bremner: thanks :)
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09:43<w0bni>"E: The value 'sid' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
09:43<w0bni>I added deb-src http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
09:44<w0bni>and then ran apt-get update and apt-get -t unstable source awesome
09:44<w0bni>(tried with sid instead of unstable, same result)
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10:01<w0bni>No matter what I do, I can't seem to fetch awesome 3.5 from sid
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10:02<w0bni>I run apt-get source awesome/unstable
10:02<w0bni>but it says "Selected version '3.4.15-1' (unstable) for awesome
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10:11<w0bni>Is it perhaps not possible to download source 3.5 if I only have "regular" 3.4?
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10:22<grove>w0bni: What architecture are you on? It seems awesome is in different versions for dfferent architectures in sid
10:22<w0bni>grove: amd64
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10:25<w0bni>Here is my /etc/apt/sources.list http://pastie.org/private/nypu4tcgz008zsmfzylsw
10:25<grove>w0bni: Hmm, amd64 should have 3.5.6-1. What does 'apt-cache policy awesome' say on your system?
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10:26<w0bni>grove: http://pastie.org/private/ipkdpmiswoyl7hpuwk7jg
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10:28<zlatan>w0bni: afaik there isn't such a thing as backports for testing and unstable
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10:30<w0bni>zlatan: lostatwork in this channel said he does it himself
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10:31<zlatan>w0bni: I am talking about your sources list and those things don't exist
10:31<w0bni>apparently it tok him 5 minutes when he followed https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/15/howto-to-rebuild-debian-packages/
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10:31<zlatan>w0bni: he probably said he rebuilds himslef not that he uses it
10:32<zlatan>w0bni: also latest awesome for jessie is the 3.4.15-1 afaiks
10:32<grove>zlatan: The only mention of backports in that sources list is a comment
10:32<zlatan>grove: nope it isn't
10:32<zlatan>it doesn't have the # in front of those lines
10:33<zlatan>anyway they are nonexistent - that's all what I am saying about that
10:33<grove>The lines themselves don't mention backports, they just point at sources for testing and unstable, those should exist, and is the place to get stuff if you want to backport things yourself
10:34<zlatan>ah indeed
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10:34<zlatan>anyway, no, 3.5.6-1 doesn't in jessie
10:35<grove>Which is why w0bni is trying to backport it
10:35<w0bni>I might be messing up here
10:35<w0bni>but I thought I should be able to grab the source for https://packages.debian.org/sid/awesome
10:36<w0bni>by telling apt-get to use unstable
10:36<grove>w0bni: That is likely, but I can't see where
10:36<w0bni>and then follow that guide to build it
10:36<zlatan>w0bni: apt-get source awesome should do the trick
10:39<w0bni>zlatan: it downloads awesome 3.4
10:40<sney>apt-get -t sid
10:41<w0bni>E: The value 'sid' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
10:41<w0bni>same for unstable
10:41<grove>w0bni: Have you remembered to run 'apt-get update' since you added those lines to your sources list? Also I would try 'apt-get source -t unstable awesome' (or '-t sid' as sney said) instead of '... swesome/unstable'
10:41<w0bni>grove: I have, several times
10:42<w0bni>-t unstable/-t sid returns the error mentioned above
10:42<zlatan>apt-get source -t unstable awesome gives you those errors?
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10:43<grove>What about 'apt-get source awesome=3.5.6-1'?
10:43<w0bni>zlatan: yes
10:44<w0bni>grove: YES! Thanks!
10:44<w0bni>And thanks to the rest of you as well, of course!
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10:46<musca>w0bni: is there anything special about your nick? my irc-client fails when i try to use nickname-completion (with tab)
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10:46<grove>Seems -t is only really useable with non-source packages, but having to specify the exact version seems wrong
10:47<w0bni>musca: the 0 is a zero, besides that there shouldn't be anything weird
10:48<grove>musca: I used nick-completion on w0bni's nick several times while trying to help
10:48<grove>(in irssi)
10:48<w0bni>grove: yeah, and the fact that awesome/unstable runs b fetches 3.4 is also a bit odd
10:48<w0bni>s/b/but
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10:49<musca>g<tab> gives me grove, but w<tab> just all nicks beginning with w -- besides w0bni
10:50<musca>i don't like non-determinism in real systems.
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11:25<Guest2592>hi everyone
11:27<Guest2592>I am having problems trying to share my internet access from my laptop with Debian
11:27<Guest2592>is it the correct place to ask for help ?
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11:29<bremner>yes
11:30<grove>Guest2592: Depends on what version of Debian you're running. If stable, you're in the right place
11:30<Guest2592>great :)
11:31<Guest2592>I have made this before using others system based on debian, basically the methods is this http://lignux.com/tutorial-para-compartir-tu-conexion-de-internet-a-traves-de-wifi-con-ubuntu/
11:33<Guest2592>Basically, I created an ad-hoc connection using my wifi card (I am getting internet from a USB broad band stick)
11:34<Guest2592>but when i need to connect to the new net, nothing happen
11:34<Guest2592>Hoooo I didnt see the message from GROVE .... I am using testing version
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11:36<grove>Guest2592: That page is in spanish (or some language that looks like spanish or my eye), maybe you want to ask in the #debian-es
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11:36<Guest2592>but, is it different if I am using testing ? if it is ... where can I ask for help ?
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11:37<Guest2592>grove <.
11:37<bremner>Guest2592: #debian-next
11:37<Guest2592>grove <- yes, it is in spanish, but I give it just as a reference
11:37<grove>#debian-next is technically the channel for problems with testing. I don't know the differences between stable and testing at the moment, and whther they might affect this usecase
11:38<Guest2592>ok, I am going to ask in debian-next :)
11:38<Guest2592>thank you so much people, a hug
11:38<bremner>there are many differences between stable and testing now.
11:39<Guest2592>thanks bremner
11:39<bremner>if nothing else, the great g++ 5 transition.
11:39<Guest2592>I didnt know
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12:49<mohamed>hey
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12:52<w0bni>Hi from awesome 3.5 :-)
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13:02<bremner>w0bni: congrats on your first backport ;)
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13:35<w0bni>Right
13:35<w0bni>It seems I hae somehow managed to fill up my root partition
13:35<w0bni>s/hae/have
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13:38<bremner>check /var if it's not a seperate partition
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13:41<w0bni>hm, how do I check the size of /var?
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13:41<mtn>w0bni: df -h
13:41<w0bni>if I run ls -l in / everything seems to be 4096 bytes
13:42<w0bni>I also see a lot of tmpfs type partitions in df
13:43<w0bni>http://pastie.org/private/siy9udajzonuto0ilvyg here is the output of df -h
13:43<w0bni>managed to free up / a bit with apt-get clean all
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13:44<mtn>w0bni: your / is obviously very full, not much room left
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13:44<w0bni>and something ls -l / is not supposed to work?
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13:45<mtn>w0bni: ls does not show free space
13:45<sney>4096 bytes is the "size" of an inode, so that's what you see for directories
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13:45<sney>what you want is du
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13:45<sney>cd /; du -hs *
13:45<w0bni>is this something that differs from Ubuntu?
13:45<sney>will give you an approximate list of which dirs have the most crap in them
13:45<sney>no
13:46<w0bni>I could swear I have checked file sizes in ls
13:46<sney>file sizes, yes. but not usage of dirs
13:46<w0bni>interesting, thanks!
13:47<w0bni>home is ~1G, opt and usr ~4G
13:47<sney>nothing in debian installs to /opt. that's usually the domain of 3rd party binary packages
13:47<sney>maybe steam lives there these days
13:47<w0bni>yes
13:48<w0bni>I put some JetBrains stuff there
13:48<w0bni>so I expected it to take up quite some space
13:49<paxmark9>w0bni, something like "cd /" then "sudo ncdu --exclude /home"
13:50<sney>so I guess either your disk is too small or you partitioned in a way that didn't make sense for your use case
13:50<w0bni>yeah, I think I partitioned in a silly way
13:50<w0bni>10G /, rest for /home
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13:54<w0bni>from what I can tell that will be both risky and tricky
13:55<w0bni>luckily, make-jpkg can use a custom tmp dir, so I'll just do that and avoid putting too much in /
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14:38<deavidsedice>anyone here? :)
14:38<jelly>nope
14:39<deavidsedice>i installed debian lots of times, stable, testing... but today I installed a Debian Testing (from weekly build netinst automated install) onto a Virtual Box (the host is Windos 7) and i get a really weird bug
14:40<jelly>mmm, if it's testing, consider asking in #debian-next -- the channel for testing and unstable
14:40<deavidsedice>It has installed lightdm, kde and mate (also it has xorg), but when it boots up I dont get the X
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14:41<deavidsedice>ok, let me try first here, i'll repost in -next and i'll notify both channels asap if i solve my problem
14:41<deavidsedice>instead of the X, i get the text logon, but the screens flickers a lot. Like if it was trying X11 again and again (but very fast). After 2-3 minutes, it ceases to do that
14:42<deavidsedice>i log in as root, and i try to start lightdm ( /etc/init.d/lightdm start) but i get an error. I couldn't retrieve any reason for that error
14:42<deavidsedice>I tried to start X manually using "X" and "xinit", and both works, but i don't get a mouse in any of them
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14:43<deavidsedice>the host is a Windows 7 laptop, and i don't have mouse. Instead i have a trackpad... maybe it's somewhat related to the bug
14:44<deavidsedice>i also have here a DVD iso of Debian Stable; i'm wondering about doing a fresh install of that and see what happens...
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14:46<jelly>yeah, you probably shouldn't be using testing if you can't deal with a symptom like "X does not start"
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14:47<deavidsedice>jelly: normally i deal with that, but now I can't see the source of the error. I revised X.log and syslog, and some other logs. I see some sort of error, but i can't recognise the fault
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14:48<deavidsedice>anyway i'm going to delete all and start from scratch from debian stable and see what hapens...
14:49<jelly>right. Well, if you want help it's best to actually show the relevant logs with errors. For X troubles that's /var/log/Xorg.0.log first
14:50<deavidsedice>yeah. I'm reinstalling. If still it doesn't work i'll do
14:52<deavidsedice>it seemed some virtualbox bug and i hoped someone here recognised or helped me with an appropiate google search
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14:54<jelly>hard to recognize anything, "X does not start" is a very generic symptom and the flickers at start are just the display manager trying to start it a couple times, then giving up
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14:56<deavidsedice>yes. I've seen those before, but they are usually slow. Here is really fast, like 5 tries per second
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15:56<midou-king>hey
15:57<midou-king>I want to install drivers for wine so it can detect my phone's preloader
15:57<midou-king>But i dont know how to install drivers for wine; i have the driver in .inf
15:58<midou-king>Can anyone help me am in a hurry
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17:15<toogley>do you guys know an alternative to offlineimap with support for parallel execution?
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17:31<w0bni>Would adding the Spotify repository break my system?
17:31<w0bni>(following https://www.spotify.com/no/download/linux/ on Jessie, that is)
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17:57<Tubbles>Hello Everyone. Windows latest rapey mega update kind of messed with grub, so now I am always booting into rescue mode. Tried to fix this with grub-install and update-grub but to no success. Does anyone know how to fix this? I have been trying to search google for it also
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18:05<Brigo>Tubbles, you have to chroot into your linux and make grub-install
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18:08<ryouma>i just rebooted and cpu is at 50% on every core. sda is being written to hugely. yet none of this shows in the process log and there is no log being written.
18:09<Tubbles>Brigo: I am having no problem to boot into the system via grub rescue. I get error: unknown filesystem.
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18:09<Tubbles>Brigo: I tried the grub-install, and it still does not work
18:10<Brigo>Tubbles, when do you get unknown filesystem error?
18:10<ryouma>also, every time i reboot using shutdown -r now, the screen stays full and i have to use the power button
18:10<Tubbles>Brigo: When I boot my computer
18:11<mtn>ryouma: it was working fine before?
18:11<ryouma>mtn: i know it was working fine before jessie
18:11<Brigo>Tubbles, when you boot your computer you get the grub rescue, i thought.
18:12<mtn>ryouma: how long ago was that?
18:12<Tubbles>Brigo: Yes, it says "error: unknown filesystem. grub rescue>"
18:13<ryouma>mtn: a few months ago. i did not pay much attention since then.
18:13<mtn>ryouma: you never booted or rebooted in all that time? never noticed the hard drive working hard?
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18:14<ryouma>i don't have access to physically know if hd working hard, but i booted a few times and remember needing to do this before but don't remember if it was consistent.
18:14<ryouma>i upgraded fairly recently
18:14<ryouma>one issue that might or might not be related is that my mice go offline unpredictably and i get errors like "hid*generic *D*C* can*t reset device* *d*input* status *" and "usb * clear tt * * error *" and sometimes "hid*generic *D*C*A* can*t reset device* *d*input* status *".
18:14<ryouma>i have to reboot to get my mice to work again
18:14<mtn>ryouma: have you used tools to see what is using the cpu?
18:15<ryouma>process list tools do not show it. btw it's ok now, so whatever it was, was transient.
18:15<ryouma>so it must be kernel somehow
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18:16<ryouma>of course my mice will still misbehave and probably i will still not reboot per se instead of halting
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18:18<ryouma>it might or might not be relevant that my current kern.log has 4078985 of "hid*generic *D*C* can*t reset device* *d*input* status *"
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18:37<Brigo>Tubbles, still there?
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18:39<Tubbles>Brigo: yes
18:40<Brigo>Tubbles, i already see you in freenode. Sorry, i lost my internet connection.
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18:40<Tubbles>Brigo: Yes :)
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19:45<xxavi>hi
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19:45<winsen>hi all
19:45<xxavi>hi, I run Xorg with KDE on my TV; I get the screen more big than TV panel, how can I fix it ?
19:47<ryouma>are packages in jessie-backports guaranteed to be from the same people who put packages in stable? i'm guessing the answer is no, so i wonder what kind of assurance there is that somebody reliable has uploaded? presumably sigs are checked so this means dd?
19:47<winsen>I got this error message by typing command line "sar" any clue please?
19:47<bremner>ryouma: could be different, has to be a dd.
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19:48<winsen>sar: command not found
19:48<bremner>or a DM with per package permissions
19:48<winsen>bremer: any clue?
19:48<ryouma>bremner: so for security-sensitive stuff, in the worst in-principle case some reliable stooge who is a dd could upload even if the normal maintainer is not a stooge
19:48<winsen>bremner: any clue?
19:48<ryouma>dm?
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19:49<bremner>ryouma: the stooge could also NMU the package in the regular archive
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19:49<ryouma>so can i more or less trust bp version about the same wrt stooginess?
19:49<bremner>ryouma: pretty much
19:50<ryouma>ok, thanks
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19:50<ryouma>i'll stick with bpo version then for now
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19:50<bremner>xxavi: have you set the screen resolution to match your TV?
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19:52<xxavi>bremner: hi, not, I just run startx/KDE
19:52<bremner>winsen: what is sar supposed to do? are you sure it's in debian?
19:52<bremner>xxavi: I don't know current kde, but isn't there some display settings?
19:54<xxavi>bremner: yes, the display setting tool of KDE but, any option on it for change resolution
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19:55<bremner>xxavi: yes, does the resolution match your TV?
19:55<winsen>bremner: I think I should install sysstat. I'll let you know in few mn
19:56<xxavi>bremner: my actual resolution is a little big than my TV screen
19:56<bremner>xxavi: that's why I suggested you make the resolution smaller
19:56<xxavi>bremner: how, via Xorg config file ?
19:57<bremner>xxavi: no, via the display setting tool. Or xrandr
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19:57<xxavi>bremner: display setting tool don't offer any option for that
19:58<bremner>xxavi: ok, I guess you have some virtual desktop or something. I don't know enough about KDE to help any further, sorry.
19:58<xxavi>bremner: yes
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20:07<winsen>bremner: it works now. sysstat was not installed. thanks
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20:14<AmigaGod>Helloe guys. Im in need of some help
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20:20<AmigaGod>Im trying to install Etch on my OLD Sparcstation 5. The machine is tftp booted. But since this is etch it dont automaticly find a mirror to download install tools. So i need to enter it manually. But what do i enter there? Ive tried the http://archive.debian.org but when i set the dir to the dir with the Release file in, the installer says it does not have a valid Realse file on it.
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21:29<winsen>hi all
21:29<winsen>I got this error message, E: Package 'pdfedit' has no installation candidate
21:29<winsen>any suggestions? thanks
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21:36<SynrG>,v pdfedit
21:36<judd>Package: pdfedit on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.4.5-1
21:36<SynrG>No longer in Fenian
21:36<SynrG>Debian*
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21:37<SynrG>Removed since Wheezy
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21:39<SynrG>https://wiki.debian.org/PDF#Editors_.2F_Generators
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21:40<SynrG>Use an alternative
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21:42<bremner>pdfedit should probably be deleted from that page
21:42<bremner>inkscape is pretty good for interactive stuff, in my experience.
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22:07<canaima>hola
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22:08<canaima>hola
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23:25<ckosloff>I have an error on line 225 on /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, which editor can I load that will show me line numbers?
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---Logclosed Sat Dec 26 00:00:36 2015