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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-12-29

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03:54<strah>Hello, good morning!
03:54<musca>hello strah
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04:13<pootsmk>I have a hard drive I pulled out of a laptop with a broken display. I wanted to install Debian on this hard drive, by connecting it to my other laptop. Would I have problems because I did the install on a system with different hardware than the laptop the HDD will go into?
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04:13<pootsmk>I don't want to pay to fix the display, but I want to install Debian/SSH so that i can connect to the screen-less laptop remotely
04:17<lyz>pootsmk: you encounter lot of problems ...
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04:18<lyz>is it easier to connect external display
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04:22<pootsmk>How would I do that with no software installed on laptop with broken display? If i just plug HDMI cable in, can I somehow just have display routed to another laptop?
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04:23<lyz>it seems that you don't have separate monitor
04:24<pootsmk>lyz - What do you mean?
04:25<lyz>laptop may wary but if you connect separate monitor (through vga/hdmi/dvi), you may able to use laptop
04:25<lyz>*vary
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04:31<lyz>i got to go but....
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04:34<lyz>installing using different machine than target machine ...there is at least one problem...UUID mount points do not work (from my memory)
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04:39<tstroege>Hi!
04:40<amacater>UUID - you might be able to get round that by using the label syntax for mounting but yes, it's not straightforward. It is possible to relabel a disk with a different UUID
04:40<tstroege>Which is the best channel if you have found a solution to a bug and reported it and nothing happens. The bug is categorized as normal but I think it's rather critical.
04:41<amacater>What sort of bug
04:41<tstroege>network-manager-openvpn does not work without a patch, bug #792389
04:41<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/792389 in network-manager-openvpn (open): «network-manager-openvpn: fails to connect to a openvpn server with TCP»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-07-14; last modified: 2015-12-22.
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04:42<tstroege>this is fixed in redhat since some weeks, I recompiled the package from source with the debian patch and the patch seems to work as far as i can see (using it right now)
04:42<tstroege>s/debian/redhat
04:43<tstroege>I think the severity should be critical since without the patch it does not work :-/
04:43<tstroege>(at least for tunneled TCP connections)
04:44<amacater>It looks like someone cares enough to be following the thread - ping the maintainer again? Put in an email onto Debian devel summarising bug, fix, progress to date and the fact that the RH patch works
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04:44<amacater>Ask for an update
04:45<amacater>Not all devs/maintainers are active on IRC 24/7
04:45<tstroege>yeah I assumed that, additionally with the xmax holiday
04:45<amacater>Also, as ever, ask smart questions
04:45<tstroege>just was curious if the bug could be marked critical and a resolution is available.
04:46<tstroege>smart questions ... ?
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04:48<amacater> -Originally from esr (Eric Raymond) - http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
04:49<amacater>Effectively - be very clear and precise, demonstrate that you've done your homework, give a case where the behaviour happens, provide details where appropriate
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04:50<amacater>All the sorts of things that you wish other people would tell you when you are trying to diagnose an unseen / unreproducible problem at a distance
04:50<tstroege>Ah that one.
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05:14<boradicus>hi
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06:54<olivenspitze>Hej hej, anybody an idea how to test a firewall configuration?
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06:54<Brigo>olivenspitze, ask google.
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07:04<bitlan>hello, what is the best solution for restore iptables configuration, static routing etc.. after reboot ?
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07:06<bitlan>i do not know better solution than rc.local :/ but i think it's not good solution...
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07:13<amacater>Install iptables-persistent and use iptables-save once?
07:14<amacater>Save iptables to /etc/network/iptables and use pre-up in the ifconfig configuration?
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07:15<bitlan>amacater: Thanks i check this
07:16<amacater>pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/network/iptables or similar
07:17<amacater>[Not mine: I stole it fom the configuration for a wired-> wireless gateway
07:17<musca>or look at ferm https://wiki.debian.org/ferm
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08:00<woffs>bitlan: iptables-persistent is the simplest solution for iptables/ip6tables. If you want to restore statis routing, and if it is too much for /etc/network/interfaces, you might have a look at quagga.
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08:10<Kritzefitz>Did something happen to Moszumanska (alioth)? I can't reach it.
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08:12<G33KY>I'm trying to install Debian onto this new Acer Cloudbook, but whenever I press 'install' on the GRUB boot menu for the installer, I just get a blank screen. Neither text nor graphical work.
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08:15<bremner>Kritzefitz: maintenance at bytemark
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08:16<bremner>Kritzefitz: if you use alioth, you might subscribe to debian-infrastructure-announce
08:16<bremner>@lists.debian.org
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08:31<xxavi_>I have some display manager installed and I try 'dpkg-reconfigure kdm' and select it from menu but, when I launch X.org via 'startx' don't show any display manager, launch the last desktop installed in system; how can I set up someone display manager ?
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08:32<strah>xxavi_ , try to put "exec kdm" into .xinitrc in your home folder
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08:55<bremner>meena: should be up in a few hours
08:55<meena>okay thanks o/~
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08:55<xxavi_>grove: for select a desktop/WM before start it
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08:57<grove>xxavi_: But then you shouldn't use startx. Have you tried rebooting after you installed kdm?
08:57<bremner>xxavi_: then something like "sudo systemctl restart kdm"
08:57<bremner>assuming you are running systemd.
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08:57<bremner>if not, then you are too l33t to need help ;)
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08:58<grove>That's the quick way to achieve the same as a reboot
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09:04<xxavi_>bremner: hmmm, your idea work fine; thanks bremner and grove
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09:16<xxavi_>hmmmm, when I select gnome desktop to launch in window manager display, it don't start well and show a window message of error, how can I debug the error ?
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09:30<laj>Is there any way to disable update-grub from being ran automatically when a new kernel is installed?
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09:33<woffs>laj: /etc/kernel-img.conf i guess
09:33<woffs>but seems I am not up-to-date: "These setting are for legacy postinst scripts only."
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09:37<william>hello
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09:38<william>ummm
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10:09<klown>hi there
10:11<klown>q
10:11<klown>hello
10:11<klown>quit
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10:18<Teddy>I see that the Debian servers paradis and quantz are unreachable. If this is a planned outage, where can I read more?
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10:28<eightyeight>woah: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yktcg/ian_murdock_debian_founder_is_threatening_suicide/
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10:31<markybob>eightyeight, move to #debian-offtopic please
10:31<eightyeight>fair enough. i know this is a support channel.
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10:45<XxX_NinjaCat_XxX>hello
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10:45<XxX_NinjaCat_XxX>im new here
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10:51<danielsh>just ask your question
10:52<ompaul>!ask
10:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:55<eightyeight>he quit...
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11:03<Teddy>The servers just came up again. Oh well.
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11:18<mvem>is there a support channel?
11:18<bremner>yes. here.
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11:18<bremner>for debian stable, anyway.
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11:22<ompaul>!ask
11:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:23<rhi>Hi,
11:23<rhi>I'm currently in Germany & trying to set up a debian server to be used in an "internation refugee coffee-house". I want to be able to offer users a login screen (session) with the ability to customise LANG (Keyboard, Menues, Desktop etc) to their language-of-choice, probably to enclude EN, DE, Arabic (Syria), Farsi, Kurdisch (Syria), Dari, Urdu and most likely others that I haven't come accross yet.
11:23<rhi>I am thinking of setting up "n" "users" for each language and letting the guests sign on to that Language-User-Number "n".
11:23<rhi>I am familiar with switching between Keyboards for the languages I speak, but I have no experiance setting this up consistently for languages & keyboards that I've never used, and where I'm not sure how to navigate through the menues in those languages if needed. I think it needs to be User-Specific, not Machine "Globa
11:23<rhi>l"
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11:36<prectOS>Hey
11:36<prectOS>So as a game developer, i should use the X windowing system to make a window in linux?
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11:39<mvem>I just installed the newest debian stable but my grub looks like this http://s22.postimg.org/5e36hsw69/20151229_165856.jpg
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11:40<mvem>when i press enter i still boot into debian, but grub is just a garbled mess
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11:40<mvem>anyone have any idea what i can do please?
11:41<prectOS>Have you tried updating you gpu's drivers
11:41<prectOS>Maybe you laptop'screen cant handle this screen refreshing frequency?
11:42<prectOS>Seems like a laptop to me
11:42<mvem>it is a laptop... a relatively new and high-end one
11:43<mvem>seems strange that it wouldn't be able to handle the default frame rate of grub
11:43<prectOS>Then maybe its due to the second reason
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11:44<prectOS>Someone showed me a way to change the system defaults
11:44<mvem>i doubt it. i used grub on much lower end machines
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11:45<prectOS>in /etc/default/grub
11:45<prectOS>Change the res and try
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11:46<prectOS>High end laptops doesnt support low refreshing frequencies or evn low resolutions, well ,ost of them, i think
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11:47<prectOS>Use update-grub after u change the res
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11:49<Rotaride>debhelper
11:49<Rotaride>h'
11:49<Rotaride>hi
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11:49<peter>how can i connect plazma monitor to debian?
11:49<Rotaride>peter where are from
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11:51<Guest3005>how can i connect a monitor to the debian system?
11:51<Guest3005>i mean tv
11:51<PEB>Guest3005: you could use a tokamak
11:51*PEB gets out silently
11:51<PEB>Guest3005: what kind of wire does your tv requires?
11:51<PEB>require*
11:51<Guest3005>:D
11:52<prectOS>Probably needs an adapter?
11:52<Guest3005>no i mean it is connected just cant configure it
11:52<Guest3005>it is connected via hdmi
11:52<prectOS>What kind of tv is this and how is it connected
11:52<prectOS>AH okey
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11:54<Guest3005>System settings - Display configuration only shows "default" where i can adjust resolution but it cant see the other device
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11:58<prectOS>What does xrandr outputs
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12:05<peter_>how can i configure xrandr?
12:06<prectOS>I dont really know, but use xrandr --help
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12:07*woffs has "xrandr --output DP2 --auto --primary --left-of VGA1" in ~/.xsessionrc ;-)
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12:11<scootergrisen>How do i get lampp to start automatic on each boot?
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12:13<prectOS>You may add a script to this dir /etc/init.d/
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12:13<prectOS>http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/56957/how-to-start-an-application-automatically-on-boot
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12:23<scootergrisen>So i just add /opt/lampp/lampp start to a new file in that dir?
12:23<scootergrisen>Is that the correct way?
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12:28<prectOS>Euu, i think u have to make a shell script in the dir i gave you
12:29<prectOS>What's lampp?
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12:32<krion>hello
12:32<krion>is ian there ?
12:33<krion>i wonder if is twitter account got hacked, or if this is is own word
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12:35<markybob>krion, #debian-offtopic
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12:35<scootergrisen>lampp is apache and so on
12:35<krion>markybob: correct
12:35<prectOS>something like WAMP ?
12:36<markybob>krion, so...go there. not here.
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12:36<krion>markybob: done
12:38<peter1138>opt/lampp?
12:38<peter1138>why wouldn't you just install the packages normally?
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13:14<scootergrisen>What is "normally"?
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13:16<bremner>with apt
13:17<bremner>(I guess)
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13:19<scootergrisen>Does that start lampp automatic on each boot+
13:22<bremner>well, you can certainly start apache automatically on each boot. I'm not sure what else is involved.
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13:26<peter1138>the package manager is there for a reason, it handles dependences and initscripts and such like for you
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13:28<peter1138>other "minor" things like keeping up to date with security fixes are useful too
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13:38<scootergrisen>So if i install with apt-get install lampp then apache should start automatically without me doing anything else?
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13:48<bremner>scootergrisen: I think you need to map "lampp" into a set of debian packages.
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13:49<scootergrisen>how?
13:50<peter1138>install packages for what you want
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13:56<CQ>hi, I'm trying to get exim to work as a smarthost, but it's not delivering mails and just freezing them. Log says this:
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13:56<CQ>2015-12-29 19:42:44 1aDzEJ-0003Sw-WD plain authenticator failed H=smtp.1blu.de [178.254.4.101] 535 Incorrect authentication data
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13:56<CQ>...weird thing is, it should be going to port 587, and the way I read the docs it should try STARTTLS and not plain first... any ideas?
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14:28<`Nick`>sooooo, i think one of my servers had been hacked :(
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14:37<`Nick`>damn power cut grrr
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14:37<`Nick`>what was the last thing i said plz?
14:38<`Nick`>ok well
14:39<`Nick`>when i try to login to the box via ssh i get the error...
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14:39<`Nick`>ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer
14:40<`Nick`>so i remoted in to the box (its a vps on vbox), and run netstat i saw a connection to ssh from an ip i dont know. when i checked google the ip has been listed over the past few days as performing ssh hacks... but no other info is given... how can i check / sort this out plz
14:41<`Nick`>also there's NOTHING in logs about anything
14:42<`Nick`>that i can see anyway
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14:43<ilk>anyone SDR? http://websdr.lumpkin.k12.ga.us:8888/ 7197.02 LSB
14:43<CQ>zcat auth.log*gz | grep sshd | grep session # this should show you the actual ssh logong
14:43<`Nick`>i've ticketed the datacenter to see if they're blocking any connections, but no reply and not expecting one any time soon (it's ovh)
14:43<CQ>logons
14:44<CQ>maybe the connection is just open and not doing anything
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14:45<CQ>also: run fail2ban
14:46<`Nick`>zcat auth.log*gz | grep sshd | grep session
14:46<`Nick`>damn wrong window lol
14:47<CQ>...you might also want to change your nick so it starts with an easily typeable letter on all keyboards
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14:47<NNick>better? :)
14:47<Texou>yep :)
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14:48<NNick>well the command above doesnt really give anything useful
14:49<CQ>NNick: did you run it on the correct log, i.e. in /var/log ? drop the last grep to see the ssh connection attempts
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14:52<NNick>CQ: yup its the right dir... its actually not bringing anything up for todays date
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14:53<NNick>removing the date from grep and session gives A LOT of output... infact it's still going lol
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14:54<CQ>NNick: well, removing the "session" grep will give you all failed attempts...
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14:55<NNick>it does
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14:56<NNick>looking in the actually auth.log gives a few suspicious looking lines... i cant copy and paste from remote terminal though
14:57<CQ>NNick: see if you can grep appropriately and then grep whatever | pastebinit
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14:57<NNick>i cant copy to paste it to a pastebin lol
14:58<CQ>I know, but pastebinit is a program that takes input and puts it into a paste for you
14:58<NNick>ohhh
14:58<CQ>so set up the grep right, then pipe it to pastebinit
14:59<NNick>it in the repos?
14:59<CQ>https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pastebinit&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
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15:01<NNick>strange
15:01<NNick>apt isnt working either
15:01<NNick>fails to connect
15:02<CQ>can you ping anything outside? i.e. ping google.com
15:02<NNick>yup
15:02<CQ>if that doesn't work, ping google nameserver 8.8.8.8
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15:03<NNick>looking in /etc/hosts it seems different
15:03<NNick>i.e. i have 127.0.1.1 where should be the ip of the box
15:04<CQ>what seems different? 127.0.1.1 is part of the localhost
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15:04<NNick>hmm, that wasnt there before im sure
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15:05<CQ>try changing the /etc/apt/sources.list to something generic, like deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
15:05<CQ>...or whatever your dist is
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15:08<NNick>it already does pretty much say that
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15:08<NNick>only instead of http://http. its http://ftp.
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15:09<CQ>well, if it doesn't connect, try something else. look for some mirrors, use those concrete mirrors... get something working so you can pastebinit and get to the real problem
15:09<grnmtn>i'm having trouble figuring out how resolv.conf files are generated. i have an interfaces file that specifies one dhcp interface, one static. if i delete my /etc/resolv.conf file and reboot, it is recreated, containing the dns server entries from my dhcp server. however, it does not populate the search domain that i have specified in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf. if i delete the file, and run dhclient manually, the search domain is populated
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15:10<grnmtn>so what's the difference between how a reboot and running dhclient generates the resolv.conffile?
15:10<NNick>i changed the ftp bit to http and get the same error :/
15:10<NNick>i dont like to use non-official repos
15:11<NNick>are the debian repos down or something? that'd be the only reason for not connecting
15:12<CQ>NNick: with the amount of mirrors that exist, that's pretty much impossible
15:12<CQ>NNick: they are official mirrors.
15:12<CQ>https://www.debian.org/mirror/list
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15:17<grnmtn>sure is quiet here - what's the best place to get debian specific help these days?
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15:17<CQ>grnmtn: here, or same channel on #freenode ... but its vacation time
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15:19<NNick>well i tried a few different mirrors and all fail :/
15:19<grnmtn>CQ: thanks, i'll try the freenode channel . . .i wish it was vacation time for me too :(
15:19<CQ>NNick: can you ping them?
15:19<NNick>grnmtn: same here lol
15:19<CQ>did you try them as an FTP and as an HTTP?
15:19<NNick>yup
15:20<NNick>and they ping fine
15:20<CQ>what exactly happens? the connection times out?
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15:20<NNick>nope, just straight fail connection
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15:21<NNick>the current one im trying is ftp2.fr.debian.org
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15:28<NNick>gonna see if i can scp the auth.log to my local machine
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15:38<NNick>well that didnt work either ffs
15:38<NNick>get the error as when i try to connect via ssh... should of guessed really
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17:25<std>i am looking for a program that will run from a deb8 server, looks into other computers shared directories and sync files on the server. can anyone suggest?
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17:31<std>crickets.....
17:32<zlatan>rsync?
17:33<std>ive seen that mentioned and am looking that one up after i get done reading about bittorrent sync
17:33<std>just wondering if anyone else had somethiing up and running that might be willing to spill some details
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17:36<zlatan>rsync is actually made for those kind of things
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17:37<zlatan>it is widely used, great code and everyone loves it
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17:38<zlatan>anyway, time for rest...good night all
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17:39<leonardo0112>Hi guys! I'm on Debian 8.2 amd64 and I can't listen to mp3 streaming on Firefox (shoutcast.com), but on Chrome it works fine. Is there a way to make it work on FF?
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17:41<RelyingFawn>stable or testing?
17:41<RelyingFawn>maybe FF is too old ??
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17:42<leonardo0112>Debina stable (from live CD) and FF v43
17:42<cra1g321>leonardo0112, works fine here
17:43<cra1g321>jessie with iceweasel 38.5.0
17:43<leonardo0112>cra1g321: what about this link http://hpr.dogphilosophy.net/test/index.php? Mp3 works too?
17:43<cra1g321>yes
17:44<leonardo0112>I'll test on iceweasel here
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17:45<leonardo0112>cra1g321: just a sec, I need close irc (chatzilla) to open iceweasel
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17:47<leonardo0112>cra1g321: on iceweasel works fine, the problem is FF
17:47<leonardo0112>:(
17:47<cra1g321>iceweasel is firefox
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17:49<leonardo0112>cra1g321: I leave iceweasel because I had some problems with geolocation (maybe it's the version, I dont know), but now on FF a have the mp3 issue and google maps is very, very slow
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17:50<leonardo0112>cra1g321: do you think it is an internal FF problem or it could be solved by any codec (gstreamer, etc)?
17:50<cra1g321>dont know
17:50<leonardo0112>cra1g321: ok, thanks
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18:35<xvista>igot another question i have some code that dont compile correctly on newer versions of debain like 7 or 8 i guess the libs requierd are updated on thoes versions and something jsut dont work right but they do fine under debain 6.0.3 i also have a cd of 6.0.10 what are differances between the 2 versions iirc the code also does fine on 6.0.10 i hate to take up sapce by keeping 2 versions of the same thing
18:38<Brigo>xvista, and the question?
18:39<xvista>sorry debain 6.0.3 i also have a cd of 6.0.10 what are differances between the 2 versions ?
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18:40<Brigo>xvista, mostly some bug fixes and security updates.
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20:13<aef>does anyone know how to find the Debian assembly on 32C3?
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23:57<awal>I believe that we all have chromium pdf viewer and it's an official Chrom extenstion, but now I see 'bookmark manager' and 'crypto token extension' extensions in my chromium. I googled them but I still doubting if they are officials and "secure" (in the google way/philosophy :D)
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23:58<awal>I have no idea how I have them, maybe installed after updates. Chromium users, do you have those extensions by default too?
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