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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-12-31

---Logopened Thu Dec 31 00:00:43 2015
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00:45<njumdl2014>Ian Murdock
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00:46<Yst>I am trying to set up services for my IRC server, but it looks like the package of Atheme services in the repository is too old to be compatible with ngIRCd. Do any of you have recommendations of services packages in the Debian repository that would be compatible with ngIRCd?
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01:11<pootsmk>I've got a laptop with a broken screen. I want to connect it, via HDMI cable, to another Debian laptop and have it display on the working laptop's screen. What is the term for this? What software packages would I need to download on the working laptop to do this? Can I do it without installing/running anything on the broken laptop?
01:11<PovAddict>pootsmk: your working laptop doesn't have an "HDMI input"
01:11<PovAddict>that will not work
01:12<algamash>hello
01:12<PovAddict>pootsmk: receiving HDMI signals to show them on a monitor needs different *hardware* than generating HDMI signals from the GPU frame buffer
01:12<PovAddict>get a standalone monitor with HDMI input
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01:13<twb>or like a TV tuner card maybe
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01:16<pootsmk>PovAddict, Ok, thanks for explaining.
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01:17<pootsmk>I was just trying to be cheap and avoid buying a monitor ... but it's a $3000+ laptop that someone gave me (because they thought it was "broken") and I want to test the components ... so I suppose the monitor will pay for itself :)
01:18<PovAddict>would have been nice if HDMI used different connectors on both ends of the cable, to keep people from trying things like that ;)
01:18<pootsmk>It's an alienware laptop, and I don't know the story behind it, but it looks like a classic case of "bratty rich kid threw a tantrum and smashed the expensive computer mummy and daddy bought)
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01:19<twb>is HDMI actuallly master/slave ?
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01:24<PovAddict>twb: that's not clear from the wikipedia article, but I think it is
01:25<twb>I started reading the same article, and ran away :P
01:25<PovAddict>"HDMI specifically requires the device implement the Enhanced Display Data Channel (E-DDC), which is used by the HDMI source device to read the E-EDID data from the HDMI sink device to learn what audio/video formats it can take" makes me think there is such thing as 'source' and 'sink' :)
01:25<twb>Sooner HDMI gets killed by royalty-free DP, the better
01:26<PovAddict>my desktop's graphics card supports VGA, DVI, or HDMI
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01:26<twb>PovAddict: yes but master/slave means you can't just connect a dozen sources and sinks to a hub and have them negotiate who is who
01:26<twb>That's what I was getting at
01:26<twb>cf. USB versus IEEE1394
01:26<PovAddict>I don't think HDMI knows about hubs
01:27<twb>stupid HDMI
01:27<PovAddict>I don't think it's even a packetized protocol :P
01:27<twb>at least it's not LVDS
01:27<twb>That doesn't have standardized ANYTHING
01:28<PovAddict>my VGA, 1280x1024 monitor died recently
01:28<PovAddict>I'm wondering if I should go for 1080p or jump to 4k :)
01:28<twb>PovAddict: how many 80x25 terminals do you even need
01:29<PovAddict>twb: not many, but I want crisp text on them :D
01:29<twb>then use a bitmap font! :P
01:29<PovAddict>no, I need moar pixels
01:29<PovAddict>my laptop is 13" and has a 1366x768 resolution
01:30<PovAddict>my desktop monitor is 19" and has a 1366x768 resolution, this is not acceptable
01:30<twb>I once paid $2k for a 20" monitor, because that was the smallest that could do the same resolution as my 17" CRTs :/
01:31<twb>stupid big pixels
01:31<twb>*20" LCD monitor, that is
01:31<algamash>how I keeping my clock sync
01:31<algamash>?
01:31<twb>algamash: it's automatic
01:31<algamash>but here is wrong
01:32<algamash>I'm live in Brazil
01:32<twb>algamash: as long as you have internet connection, it will sync every six minutes
01:32<twb>algamash: maybe your *timezone* is wrong?
01:32<algamash>my timezone it is correctly
01:32<PovAddict>how out-of-sync is your clock?
01:32<valdyn>algamash: show us the output for "timedatectl"
01:33<twb>Please pastebin the output of "systemctl status systemd-timesyncd"
01:33<algamash>its is the output
01:33<algamash>Local time: Qui 2015-12-31 00:32:59 BRT
01:33<algamash> Universal time: Qui 2015-12-31 03:32:59 UTC
01:33<algamash> RTC time: Qui 2015-12-31 03:32:59
01:33<algamash> Time zone: America/Bahia (BRT, -0300)
01:33<algamash> NTP enabled: no
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01:33<twb>Here is one I prepared earlier: http://sprunge.us/TScY
01:33<twb>"NTP enabled: no" is pretty suspicious.
01:34<twb>I thought timesyncd was on by default in Debian 8
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01:34<algamash>oh sorry
01:34<algamash>http://paste.debian.net/plain/358021
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01:34<valdyn>algamash: timedatectl set-ntp true
01:34<algamash>this is the link of output
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01:35<twb>valdyn: is that the same as "systemctl enable systemd-timesyncd.service" ?
01:35<algamash>oh yeah!
01:35<algamash>thank you very much
01:35<algamash>my clock is sync :)
01:35<valdyn>twb: probably.. that service is on here
01:36<valdyn>algamash: it was on local time it seems
01:36<valdyn>algamash: so that may be your windows install
01:36<twb>OK. I can't use timedatectl because I provision from a chroot, so dbus and systemd aren't running yet.
01:36<twb>algamash: do you use windows on the same computer?
01:36<algamash>yeah!
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01:36<twb>algamash: then you must tell Debian to use local time, not UTC
01:37<algamash>but I use in other hard drive
01:37<twb>If it is the same motherboard for both OSes
01:37<valdyn>algamash: i would try "timedatectl set-local-rtc true"
01:37<twb>The hardware clock is on the motherboard
01:37<valdyn>algamash: otherwise you have the time off by 3 hours on each reboot between windows and debian
01:37<algamash>valdyn, I using this command and solved my problem
01:38<algamash>set-local-utc true
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01:38<algamash>oh no
01:38<algamash>timedatectl set-ntp true
01:38<twb>algamash: run both of those
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01:38<twb>"set-ntp" turns on synchronization with the internet clocks
01:38<PovAddict>algamash: if you don't use "set-local-rtc true", your clock will be wrong every time you switch operating systems
01:39<twb>"set-local-utc" says you are using Windows, which is dumb
01:39<twb>It would be better to fix windows, but I don't know how
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01:39<PovAddict>there is a registry key to make Windows use UTC, but apparently it can break some things because it's not very well tested :P
01:41<algamash>I have some difficulty, because, I not speak english very well, and need using google translate :p
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01:42<algamash>still, thanks for helping me
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01:45<twb>algamash: you are doing very well
01:45<twb>trying to write portugese makes me angry :P
01:45<algamash>hahaha
01:46<twb>I think the orthography reforms were designed to annoy spanish speakers
01:46<algamash>I need learn more english
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01:46<twb>(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reforms_of_Portuguese_orthography)
01:47<algamash>big part of Brazilians don't speak good or basic of the portuguese
01:48<twb>algamash: they don't speak good luso, or they don't speak good portugese do brasil?
01:48<algamash>portuguese do Brazil
01:48<twb>hahaha
01:48<algamash>haha
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01:49<Chaos`Eternal>Just come to say R.I.P Ian
01:49<algamash>the big part of the problem involves the great linguistic variation
01:50<algamash>R.I.P Ian
01:50<algamash>R.I.P Lemmy
01:50<algamash>:(
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01:50<algamash>2015 bad year
01:51<x0x7>Yep, came by similarly to offer condolences. A great man who impacted Linux as much as any! What ever his final prayers were I hope they are granted. Peace Ian.
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02:05<x0x7>2016 might be better!
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02:27<joga>what is the best way to mount partitions when installing?
02:28<twb>I just mount them by hand
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02:32<joga>for example, is it the best solution making a different partition just for /boot? and for /root, /home and so on?
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02:33<twb>Oh, you're asking about parition layout
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02:33<twb>That should be covered in the install guide, no?
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02:33<valdyn>joga: if you dont know, then just use one large partition
02:33<twb>Yep
02:33<twb>You can get fancier later, when you have more experience
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02:35<joga>thanks, i'll check it out
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02:37<twb>For "real" computers I would always keep the boot (/boot), OS (/) and user data (/home and /srv) separate, and manage their sizes using LVM or btrfs or ZFS
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02:37<twb>For a single-user laptop I don't normally bother
02:38<joga>what do you mean by "real"?
02:38<twb>too heavy to lift :P
02:38<joga>hahaha
02:39<twb>I don't really work with big computers, more in the 50 to 1000 user range
02:39<twb>"big iron" is the computers that handle e.g. airplane bookings
02:42<joga>does labeling helps with eficiency?
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02:42<twb>adding a label just helps humans trying to fix a broken system
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04:18<EGORGEN>I cant find any solution regarding my computer problem
04:19<EGORGEN>i cant boot any linux distro from my gaming rig i get in grub select the prefered os and i get a black screen with a flashing white underscore on the top left corner
04:19<EGORGEN>i disabled my gtx 960 and used onboard still no succes
04:19<EGORGEN>i also tried the nomodeset parameter which didnt work either ... and i really dont want to revert back to Windows
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04:20<EGORGEN>once im in the black screen i cant even ctrl+alt+f1 or ctrl+alt+del
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04:22<twb>EGORGEN: turn off framebuffer in grub itself
04:22<twb>EGORGEN: I don't know how you do this at runtime, but before grub is updated it's in /etc/default/grub
04:22<EGORGEN>ill try thanks
04:22<twb>Assuming you are on x86-64...
04:23<EGORGEN>64bit
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04:23<twb>EGORGEN: I mean as opposed to e.g. POWER
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04:25<EGORGEN>vga=normal , nofb ?
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04:26<twb>no no, one sec while I download grub
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04:27<twb># Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)
04:27<twb>#GRUB_TERMINAL=console
04:27<twb>^ that
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04:27<twb>I don't know if this will help; it's just a guess
04:27<EGORGEN>ill try
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04:27<twb>Also note: # If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update
04:28<EGORGEN>so im getting in command line of grub ?
04:28<EGORGEN>or do i need a live cd of a linux distro
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04:29<EGORGEN>ow i got it # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)
04:29<EGORGEN>GRUB_TERMINAL=console
04:32<EGORGEN>twb, this wont work
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04:34<twb>OK, that's the only idea I have
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04:46<EGORGEN>i cant update-grub
04:46<EGORGEN>from live cd
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04:51<twb>I think you can if you chroot, as long as you mount /boot
04:51<twb>it's grub-install that's painful
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04:53<EGORGEN>so i edited the config
04:54<EGORGEN>now i have to update it .. im booting of a ubuntu live cd
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05:04<EGORGEN>ok i succesfully uncommented and updated grub now i still cant get into the os its suck at loadin inital ramdisk
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05:06<tobi_>EGORGEN: did you disable the quiet kernel option ing grubs commandline?
05:07<EGORGEN>just remove quiet ?
05:07<EGORGEN>not working ...
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05:08<EGORGEN>bootng a command list Loading Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64... Loading initial ramdisk ... white underscore
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05:15<EGORGEN>nothing is working :(
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05:20<endcarnage>I'm trying to create a RAID1 system on a fresh install of Jessie. I have tried to configure it directly during installation, but it did not boot (probably because I made a mistake during partitioning). After that I found a good tutorial on how to set it up in a running debian system, so I decided to get the system working on one hard disk and then use the tutorial to configure the RAID
05:21<endcarnage>Currently I have the system running (after fixing the wrong partitioning) and now using the tutorial https://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch I am trying to set up the RAID
05:22<endcarnage>However the point where I copy the partition table from one of the disks to the other (sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb) does not work. The partition table is not copied. I have looked into the output of sfdisk -d and it looks wrong to me
05:23<endcarnage>Here is the output from fdisk -l showing the correct partition on /dev/sda and the output from sfdisk -d which looks wrong: http://paste.debian.net/358267/
05:23<endcarnage>Any idea, why it shows me three partitions with a size of 0?
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05:23<endcarnage>I could not find any google search terms that would bring up any explanation
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05:28<endcarnage>Of course! Shortly after I put the question here, I google for another way to copy the partition table and find out why it isn't working. Seems sfdisk does not support large partitions or GPT: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12986/how-to-copy-the-partition-layout-of-a-whole-disk-using-standard-tools#
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05:28<endcarnage>Well, that should solve my problem
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05:34<endcarnage>Yes, sgdisk did the job
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06:25<Lyze-of-Kiel>Anyone saw the news on the founder for Debian?
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06:34<Bobbix>Hi to all and Happy New Year...
06:34<josch>So with squeeze and systemd and mate I'm able to suspend my system as a normal user through the graphical user interface by clicking some buttons. What is the equivalent of doing this on the terminal without mate?
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06:34<josch>so far I only read about solution using sudo
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06:35<Bobbix>My question: is WINE compatible with LXDE? (None).
06:36<Bobbix>I've already done 4 installations of debian LXDE and every time i install WINE i don't see menu links and no .wine and C-Drive directory are created.So it's not possible to configure (winecfg).
06:37<Bobbix>Anyone have succefully installed and configured Wine with LXDE ? (Thanks for your answers).
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06:49<grove>Bobbix: I don't see why it wouldn't be, but I've never used LXDE and haven't used wine for years
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06:53<sriharsha-iris_>The debian installer does not seem to have btrfs module; how can I download the relevant modules for the installer to mount a btrfs root ?
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06:59<amacater>Which Debian installer version - Debian 8? Do an expert install - which asks all the low priority questions - and check.
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07:08<sriharsha-iris_>amacater, I am on an embedded ARM, I don't have that option i guess
07:09<sriharsha-iris_>I just found that if I run the installer step "download installer components", it downloaded the required modules, but the modules seem to be incompatible
07:09<sriharsha-iris_>I guess the installer is old
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07:18<Bobbix>grove, i've to use Notepad++ wich work fine under wine BUT wine it's compatible with LXDE or not?
07:18<Bobbix>Based on my recent experience i think no.
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07:21<Bobbix>I will write wine compatibility with LXDE as a BUG. It's sure a bug.
07:21<Bobbix>Bye
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07:22<bremner>err. ok
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07:34<keito_>hey folks, I responded to a mailing list item (first time) and it's not yet come up in the listing.
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07:35<keito_>it was in response to this listing https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/12/msg00446.html
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07:35<danielsh>I would guess it's waiting for a human moderator to pass it through
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07:36<keito_>the reply was sent to debian-devel@lists.debian.org
07:36<keito_>danielsh, oh, ok
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07:37<keito_>I sent it from evolution and was wondering if the "in-reply-to" field had been lost, so it couldn't be attributed to a specific post
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07:37<bremner>keito_: if you have more information (like the message-id of your posting), you could try asking in #debian-lists
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07:37<keito_>bremner, thank you, I shall head over there to investigate further
07:37<danielsh>with most lists, missing in-reply-to isn't a problem... I'd be more concerned about whether the list requires subscription to post
07:37<keito_>much obliged
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07:38<keito_>danielsh, ah, I didn't subscribe
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07:38<bremner>shouldn't be required.
07:38<keito_>I guess I need to find out
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07:38<danielsh>good luck
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07:38<keito_>thank you both!
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09:05<taylan>do the regulars here intersect with the debian-devel and debian-project MLs?
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09:07<SynrG>i'm on both
09:07<SynrG>i can't speak for regulars in general, however
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09:07<taylan>well I was just going to comment on https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/12/msg00446.html saying it's most likely a so-called reverse-troll, i.e. impersonator
09:07<SynrG>is this a support-related question?
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09:08<taylan>I was shy of mailing there since I'm not active in the Debian community. I reached that thread through a 4chan thread, and it's most likely someone mocking "SJWs" by posting intentionally-inane "SJW" things
09:08<SynrG>that's a clear cut case of trolling, but commenting on this is offtopic for this channel. see #debian-offtopic
09:09<taylan>OK, just wanted to say it's a common thing to do among certain toxic Internet communities, and some people on those MLs seemed oblivious
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09:09<SynrG>also, the topic has been adequately addressed already by a few sane regulars chiming in
09:09<SynrG>we're capable of looking after our own.
09:10<SynrG>this channel is for support questions. your question really would've been better addressed to #debian-offtopic
09:10<taylan>ok, guess I can post it there too FWIW...
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09:24<MK23>hello guys
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09:27<prectOS>How to read IPD for hitachi imaging system in Debian?
09:27<bremner>what is "IPD" ? a file format?
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09:28<prectOS>I dont really knoiw the format
09:28<prectOS>its for an MRI images, Hitachi MR Imaging System
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09:28<prectOS>X rays
09:29<prectOS>The app extension says dicom app
09:29<bremner>ah, ok. maybe look at the metapackage "med-imaging"
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09:33<prectOS>I found amide but it doesnt seems to be available why?
09:34<bremner>judd: versions amide
09:34<judd>Package: amide on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.2-1+b1; wheezy: 1.0.1-1; jessie: 1.0.5-2+b2; stretch: 1.0.5-3+b3; sid: 1.0.5-5+b1
09:35<bremner>should be there.
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09:36<prectOS>couldnt locate it why?
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09:36<bremner>what did you try?
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09:36<prectOS>Ah sorry case sensitive bash
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09:39<prectOS>Thanks peace
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09:43<white_gecko>Hello, I have a problem with pkg-config not finding libhackrf even though I've installed libhackrf-dev package
09:43<white_gecko>(originally the problem is, that cmake can'T find it)
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09:44<white_gecko>after some research I fond, that a package needs to install a .pc file in the correct place.
09:44<white_gecko>as of https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/libhackrf-dev/filelist is should be in "/usr/lib/*/pkgconfig/libhackrf.pc", but what does the "*" mean in this case?
09:44<bremner>multiarch triple
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09:45<white_gecko>bremner: ok, so, where will I finde the file?
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09:45<bremner>something like /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig
09:47<white_gecko>Cool, I can find "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig" and it contains some .pc files, while there is no libhackrf.pc …
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09:48<bremner>what does "dpkg -L libhackrf-dev" tell you?
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09:49<white_gecko>bremner: https://paste.debian.net/358565/
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09:49<white_gecko>It contains "/usr/lib/*/pkgconfig/libhackrf.pc"
09:49<bremner>that sounds broken to me
09:49<white_gecko>:-)
09:50<white_gecko>to me as well
09:50<bremner>is there a directory named "*" in /usr/lib ?
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09:50<white_gecko>:-D yes
09:50<bremner>time for a bug report
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09:50<white_gecko>ok thanks, this is kind of what I wanted to know
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09:51<white_gecko>lib boost is also not found by pkg-config (and cmake)
09:52<white_gecko>are the .pc files supposed to be in the -dev packages?
09:52<bremner>yes, that part makes sense
09:52<white_gecko>which part?
09:52<bremner>.pc being in -dev
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09:54<white_gecko>ok, so a bug report for libboost as well? neither https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/libboost1.55-dev/filelist nor https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/libboost-dev/filelist has a .pc file
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09:55<bremner>oh, that's a different question.
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09:55<bremner>I thought you were asking about where .pc files should go, if they exist.
09:55<bremner>but you could file a wishlist bug asking for .pc file. It might not exist upstream.
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09:58<white_gecko>bremner: ok the libhackrf issue was resolved in testing already
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10:23<scootergrisen>Can anyone help me install Java plugin for Firefox?
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10:37<valdyn>scootergrisen: have you tried "apt-get install icedtea-plugin" ?
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10:58<canaima>quien es joga
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10:59<scootergrisen>Thanks it worked.
10:59<scootergrisen>But how am i suppose to know to install that?
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11:08<shibboleth>scootergrisen, what?
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11:14<gwoj>shouldnt this link here work? https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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11:19<scootergrisen>Works with http (no s)
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12:59<gwoj>how can i securely download images from debian servers? Why is there no https??
13:00<Samouy>gwoj, you can check SHA* signatures
13:00<Samouy>They are provided.
13:01<markybob>gwoj, kernel.org mirror has https support
13:01<gwoj>Samouy: from a http connection
13:01<bremner>you should check the gpg signatures if you want to be sure. SHA256SUMS.sign
13:02<markybob>gwoj, use kernel.org mirror.
13:02<gwoj>sha* from http connection the image came from - sha* is fully useless for security
13:02<Samouy>gwoj, You download the Iso over HTTP and you check the signatures provided by the Debian project afterwards
13:02<markybob>no one listens to me :P
13:02<Samouy>if the signature is not same, so the integrity of the file is compromised
13:02<bremner>me neither
13:03<gwoj>Samouy: not possible: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/SHA512SUMS
13:03<Samouy>markybob, kernel mirror don't provide Debian images
13:03<gwoj>markybob: kernel.org have also weekly and daily images?
13:03<Samouy>gwoj, That's bad
13:04<markybob>Samouy, wrong. http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/
13:05<Arcade>looking on the debian site: can someone direct me over to how I go about updating and or building a deb package
13:05<gwoj>markybob: i was searching here: https://www.kernel.org/pub/dist/
13:06<Samouy>markybob, awesome
13:06<Samouy>markybob, thanks for the tip
13:06*markybob goes for a smoke
13:07<gwoj>markybob: https://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ there is no iso
13:07<Samouy>gwoj, Even on the mirror you can find the SHA256 files
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13:08<mtn>!tell Arcade about ssb
13:08<gwoj>Samouy: where? https://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/cdrom/
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13:09<Samouy>not in cdrom, the directory right up there is a file "SHA256SUMS"
13:09<Samouy>but that's weird as you said there is no iso
13:09<anser>gwoj, you can find a netboot iso https://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
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13:09<Mikelot>Hi. Why is there any information about Debian founders suicide?
13:09<mtn>Arcade: did you see the message from dpkg?
13:09<Mikelot>That is sad, where is your empathy?
13:10<Arcade>yes mtn
13:10<gwoj>anser: you have opened the https://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/SHA256SUMS by yourself? there are sho sha256sums of the images
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13:13<gwoj>why is the server running http only in 2016 and providing security relevant parts? it should be running in https only and rejecting any http only requests
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13:15<Mikelot>Is Ian Murdock alive?
13:15<Mikelot>Am I wrong?
13:15<markybob>Mikelot, no. /j #debian-offtopic
13:15<Mikelot>¿OFFTOPIC?
13:16<Mikelot>O_O
13:16<markybob>Mikelot, yes.
13:16<Mikelot>No, is not.
13:16<dvs>Mikelot: This channel is for technical help
13:16<markybob>Mikelot, this is a support channel. that's not a support question
13:16<Mikelot>WTF?
13:16<lzz>mind me asking blunt question...if i got correctly ... ssl is secure verifying source but not necessarily transfer errors
13:16<Mikelot>Where the fuck is your humanity?
13:16<Mikelot>Technical XD
13:17<markybob>Mikelot, intact
13:17<dvs>Mikelot: in #debian-offtopic
13:17<Mikelot>Debian is a POLITICAL distribution.
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13:18<SynrG>Mikelot: Less outrage, more sticking to our channel rules, please. You've been welcomed to join the appropriate channel, not been told to piss off.
13:18<Samouy>Troll spotted
13:18<POLITICS_ARE_TECHNICAL>Troll?
13:19<POLITICS_ARE_TECHNICAL>xD
13:19<POLITICS_ARE_TECHNICAL>Are you serious?
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13:19<SynrGy>yes
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13:20<gwoj>why is the server running http only in 2016 and providing security relevant parts? it should be running in https only and rejecting any http only requests
13:20<MK23>lol
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13:21<markybob>gwoj, because up until recently trusted certificates cost money. debian is non-profit. now with letsencrypt.org that might change
13:22<gwoj>markybob: startssl have provided free ssl certificates for long time
13:22<bremner>gwoj: yes, it's a fair criticism, but the relevant people are already aware of the problem.
13:22<bremner>gwoj: as I said above, gpg signatures are provided.
13:23<markybob>gwoj, startssl had problems. thus letsencrypt.org is trying to make it right
13:23<gwoj>bremner: but they must be aware of the problem since some years...
13:23<bremner>gwoj: other than being told you are right, what do you want?
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13:24<markybob>gwoj, mind you, letsencrypt is still beta. once it's live you'll likely see a change
13:24<gwoj>markybob: http-only is more a problem then for example a stolen private key from a certificate and not willing to spend money for revocation ;)
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13:25<gwoj>markybob: they told on 32c3 what this "beta" mean. and if you care about the few bucks startssl wants for revocation, i can send them to the admins
13:26<markybob>gwoj, feel free. debian accepts donations.
13:26<gwoj>markybob: when i send the money to sit in a place for revocation, would you then enable ssl in a week or so (it takes just few minutes)
13:27<markybob>gwoj, i'm not in charge of the servers. i suppose you could make such stipulations
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13:28<gwoj>markybob: who should i contact?
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13:28<markybob>gwoj, https://www.debian.org/donations
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13:29<gwoj>markybob: i cant place there any money and tell that this money is in case of the need of revocation
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13:31<gwoj>markybob: did you know who i have to contact?
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13:58<gwoj>anyone?
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14:08<gwoj>noone :(
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14:22<bremner>yes, because clearly all problems are simple and can be solved by throwing a small amount of money at them.
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14:29<usagi>Hi, can anyone tell me why I can't seem to be able to configure my VPN using a .conf file? It just crashes when I hit 'create' in Network-Manager.
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14:42<stephen0001>guys, what should I know to create a new task-*? I'm interested in automating lighttpd's installation procedure, plus configuring its settings in advance. Any advice? cheers
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14:44<_rach_>rip...
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14:45<dvs>_rach_: #debian-offtopic
14:45<_rach_>sorry
14:46<_rach_>and ty
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14:55<bremner>stephen0001: you can read /usr/share/doc/tasksel/README.gz, but honestly packages are probably not the best way to do what you want.
14:56<bremner>it sounds more like a job for a configuration management system like puppet
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14:56<stephen0001>bremner: yeah, I read the README already and realized it would be a lot simpler to create either shell or Python / Perl script to do my job
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15:37<win7>hi everbody
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15:55<k-man>Hi win7
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16:43<ThomasKeller>I have allocated /dev/ram0
16:43<ThomasKeller>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ram0 bs=1M count=1024
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16:43<ThomasKeller>how do I free up the space now ?
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16:47<sney>wrong window?
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16:48<ompaul>ThomasKeller: as I don't understand the question can you start by pasting the following data into https://paste.debian.org df -h
16:48<ompaul>ThomasKeller: that will explain something of your machine to me
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17:32<alexandros>happy new year
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17:46<santexnik>guys how do i set so wifi remembers my password
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17:46<santexnik>for some reason mine dosnt remember
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18:00<alexandros>in the phone? pc ?
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18:00<santexnik>on debian
18:00<santexnik>jessie
18:02<alexandros>delete it and put it again
18:02<alexandros>your wifi
18:03<santexnik>delete what
18:03<santexnik>from router or in laptop
18:03<santexnik>everytime i enable wifi on my laptop it asks to enter password it wont remember
18:05<alexandros>delete from your laptop and if you want change pass in your royter , do the connection again and i belive you will have it always
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20:36<xk>the system suddenly rebooted when I was watching a video, first the x server is killed and I got a message says rebooting in 30 seconds, then I noticed something like a cron job. but I never had such a rebooting cron job nor such rebooting happened before. what was going on?
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20:41<awal>xk: flash video?
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20:43<xk>awal, no, a mkv file played in mplayer. system is mate version. it only happened once, and never happened till now.
20:43<xk>could it be some cpu cooling problem?
20:44<awal>xk: check systemd and dmesg logs, may be not related with the video you were watching but something else
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20:44<xk>and I couldn't use pppoe connection, had to use a router.
20:45<xk>yeah, thanks awal , sometimes I just realised how stupid I am.
20:46<awal>xk: I mean kernel logs via dmesg
20:48<xk>let me check every logs I have awal .
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22:07<xk>no luck finding anything, gotta go. thanks anyway awal
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