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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-01-03

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03:28<robin_>Hi, my computer is on debian, and I'm using an extended screen (on two monitors) by connecting my laptop to an external monitor using HDMI. My problem is, the OS decides to completely dim the laptop screen when I plug in the external monitor (cannot see anything then).
03:29<robin_>It's annoying because it does at startup and I cannot see the log in interface on my gnome desktop... Would any of you know about this issue ?
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03:36<dingy>hi everybody!
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04:04<musca>hello robin_, please add more details. What desktop do you use? Which graphics card, which driver?
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04:12<robin_>ls
04:13<robin_>Hi ! I'm on jessie and I want to turn off the fact that the luminosity of my laptop goes all the way down when I plug in another screen (HDMI) and use extended screens. It does at startup too and I can't see the login interface. Does anyone know about this problem ?
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04:23<musca>hello robin_, please add more details. What desktop do you use? Which graphics card, which driver?
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04:31<NNick>does everyone really have that much of a shit connection?
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04:31<NNick>everone pings on here like crazy
04:31<NNick>everyone*
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04:32<pound>no just a few with their foot in the revolving door
04:32<pound>*stuck
04:32<NNick>lol
04:35<stoned>http://stoned.io/debian-8.2-03-01-2016-1.png
04:35<stoned>Fonts looks real nice now
04:35<stoned>kde/gtk all look pretty consistent
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04:36<stoned>what's up NNick musca robin__
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04:36<NNick>that mattress looks comfy
04:36<stoned>oh it's crappy.
04:36<stoned>:)
04:37<NNick>lol fair enough
04:37<stoned>I'm doing SEO research for my company
04:37<stoned>I sell luxury mattresses online.
04:37<NNick>ahh
04:37<stoned>at 4am
04:37<stoned>lol
04:37<NNick>what theme is that?
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04:37<stoned>theme in what?
04:38<stoned>gtk? kde? hexchat?
04:38<NNick>09:37am here and im wondering why i got up
04:38<stoned>which theme
04:38<NNick>ohh kde
04:38<stoned>I'll tell you
04:38<stoned>I think it's default oxygen
04:38<stoned>but it's dark color
04:38<stoned>han gon
04:38<NNick>s'ok im using gnome anyway
04:38<stoned>Oxygen
04:39<stoned>Color scheme is Obsidian Coast
04:39<stoned>Same for GTK2/3
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04:39<NNick>:)
04:39<stoned>gtk2-theme-engine-oxygen same for 3
04:39<stoned>so they look dark too
04:39<stoned>and dark theme for netbeans
04:39<stoned>But I find netbeans to be extremely laggy now and very slow in coding b/c it's very just slow
04:40<stoned>I tried bluefish editor, also very slow.
04:40<stoned>I like to have completion, run my script inside the IDE w/o having to shift to a terminal to run the php file in cli, code highlight/coloring/syntax, and that's about it
04:40<stoned>A cli editor would suffice too, doesn't need to be a full ide
04:40<stoned>just need those features
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04:41<stoned>I like to do ctlr + space and get the completion done
04:42<stoned>hey
04:42<stoned>what day is this?
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04:42<stoned>wait a min
04:42<stoned>it's sunday?
04:42<stoned>no way. I though ti was thursday today
04:43<musca>Today is Pungenday, the 3rd day of Chaos in the YOLD 3182
04:43<stoned>I thought tomorrow was gonna be friday...
04:43<stoned>WTH man. Where have I been for ... how stoned was I.
04:43<stoned>Wow.
04:44<stoned>I honestly sincerely thought (for th epast two days at least, that I Was coming up on th eweekend)
04:44<stoned>and it's sunday already? how? just... man. ok. maybe i been too busy w/ debian to notice
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04:45<stoned>I should get some rest.
04:45<musca>I second that.
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04:46<NNick>stoned: does netbeans have s/ftp to put and get files from a server?
04:46<stoned>Sure
04:46<NNick>kool
04:46<NNick>i might have to try it
04:47<stoned>But you should always do it locally
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04:47<NNick>i edit locally ofc.
04:47<stoned>then you should use git or something and push your changes up
04:47<stoned>ok
04:47<stoned>good man
04:47<stoned>I recommend against netbeans to be honest
04:47<NNick>because of the lag?
04:47<stoned>I've used it for ages and now (maybe on debian) it's just amazingly slow
04:47<stoned>yessir
04:48<NNick>hmm
04:48<stoned>So much so that even small tiny files are laggy
04:48<NNick>i use dreamweaver with wine still lol :P
04:48<stoned>It works well with windows.
04:48<stoned>I heard vim can do some of the things I need.
04:48<stoned>I'll happily switch to that.
04:49<stoned>So then it only leaves chrome/iceweasel (maybe sometiems konqueror) as the only gui apps I need.
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04:49<stoned>Everything else is cli
04:49<stoned>So I need 3 gui apps
04:49<NNick>yeah, ive taken to just using geddit for most of my edits these days tbh
04:49<stoned>In fact, I haven't even found myself using that either
04:50<stoned>I do my file management with the shell
04:50<stoned>as for konqueror, needed a gui thumbnail preview file browser for my screenshots images dirctories and all that
04:50<stoned>camera photos on the ntfs drive (mounted rad only)
04:51<stoned>the bottom mattress you commented on is open in selenium's chromedrivder using python
04:51<stoned>but scraping w/ that is turning to be very slow and resource consuming.
04:51<NNick>lol
04:51<stoned>but I can't been able to find a good micro data parsing lib in php
04:52<stoned>so I might write one, or use an external resource
04:52<stoned>node has a good one, python has a good one too.
04:52<NNick>i might give netbeans a go, see if it lags for me too
04:52<stoned>Try it
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05:07<NNick>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3381719/Japanese-gamer-keeps-Super-Nintendo-20-YEARS-just-doesn-t-lose-progress-game.html
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05:08<NNick>^^ i doubt thats even possible
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05:10<musca>NNick: please go to #debian-offtopic for random chit-chat
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05:12<stoned>kit kat
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05:12<stoned>hey, I wonder what happened to a simonrnv
05:13<stoned>Native, cool guy, I think canadian.
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05:13<stoned>I think he did some packaging for debian games
05:13<stoned>iirc
05:13<stoned>that reminds me, I should install synaptic
05:13<stoned>take a look at some games stuffs
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05:21<linaro>hey
05:21<stoned>hi
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05:30<NNick>musca: sorry :P
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05:58<robin__>@musca : I use GNOME 3.14.1 with Intel Haswell Mobile (Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller) and driver=i915
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05:59<musca>,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
05:59<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1; sid: 2:2.99.917-2; stretch: 2:2.99.917-2; experimental: 2:2.99.917+git20151217-1~exp1
06:00<musca>robin__: you can try from jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1;
06:00<musca>!bdo
06:00<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
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06:10<robin__>@musca : done ! what's the next step ?
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06:11<musca>robin__: you installed the new driver? Did you restart your X11?
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06:12<robin__>What's X11 ? I guess my laptop, not yet
06:12<robin__>ah ok just saw it
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06:13<robin__>Back in a minute
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06:25<robin_>@musca : Hat's down, problem solved, thank you
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06:29<Tuxjax>hola
06:30<Tuxjax>queria presentar mis condolencias y respetos por ian murdock
06:31<yang>Is "git lfs" for github packaged in Debian jessie ?
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06:36<narcan>yang: it seems not
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06:51<stoned>just found somethign call cabal-debian lol
06:52<stoned>I build the xmonad 0.12 in stable using stack/ghc in .cabal
06:52<stoned>But it won't load Xonad.StackSet module
06:52<stoned>I can't compile xmonad.hs b/c of that
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06:53<stoned>so go to stoned@Stoned-PC:~/.cabal/packages/hackage.haskell.org/xmonad/0.12/xmonad-0.12 and cabal-debian --ghc
06:53<stoned>and it builds a debian/rules! :D
06:53<stoned>omg
06:53<stoned>So I did builded the package and now I have xmonad 0.12 as a debian pcakge
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06:55<stoned>oh, had to unpack the xmona.0.12.tar.gz, then go into folder and build rules file
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06:55<stoned>now to do the contrib package so I can load my modules and do my config
06:55<stoned>Which I don't even know if it will compile
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06:56<stoned>dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libghc-xmonad-dev (>= 0.12) libghc-xmonad-prof (>= 0.12) libghc-xmonad-doc (>= 0.12)
06:56<stoned> Heh. Always run into stuff like this, hehe
06:57<stoned>seems they are already the newest version installed, but coudl be a version conflict?
06:57<stoned>hm.
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06:58<stoned>hm, I also need these to be >= 0.12.
06:58<stoned>The ones I have are from debian repo and less than that.
06:58<stoned>pool/main/x/xmonad/libghc-xmonad-dev_0.11-9_amd64.deb yup
06:58<stoned>hm.
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07:00<stoned>I dunno where to get the libs from now, b/c they're not even in sid.
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07:08<stoned>Oh I'm an idiot, I didn't even look at the generated packages
07:09<stoned>xmonad gives me compiled debs for the dev libs
07:09<stoned>interesting
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07:10<stoned>there we go, building contrib package now
07:10<stoned>this is fun.
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07:11<stoned>whoever made .cabal file to debian/rules converter is genius
07:11<stoned>thanks
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07:12<stoned> HexChat: 2.10.1 ** OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 ** Distro: Debian 8.2 ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550 @ 2.83GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 3.77GHz ** RAM: Physical: 7.8GiB, 17.8% free ** Disk: Total: 3.6TiB, 9.4% free ** VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GT200b [GeForce GTX 275] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel1: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia2: USB-Audio - AK5370 ** Ethernet: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. CIe Gigabit
07:12<stoned>Ethernet ** Uptime: 15h 36m 37s **
07:13<stoned>taking a long tim to compile on my old ass system
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07:13<stoned>blah.
07:13<babilen>stoned: Do you actually need help with anything?
07:13<stoned>I try not to.
07:13<stoned>I talk a lot.
07:13<babilen>Obviously :)
07:13<stoned>Is that a problem?
07:13<stoned>:D
07:14<stoned>yay, packagde build D:
07:14<babilen>Well, this is a support channel and not #stoned_monologues :)
07:14<stoned>well, i'm talking about building debian packages.
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07:20<bsukfh>?
07:20<bsukfh>.
07:20<bsukfh>.
07:20<bsukfh>.
07:20<bsukfh>.
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07:20<NNick>lol
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07:42<jspiros>if I installed a package with --no-install-recommends, is there any easy way, besides uninstalling and reinstalling, or manually sifting through package descriptions, to install all of the packages that would have been installed had I /not/ used that option in the first place?
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07:43<Walex>jspiros: you can get a list of recommends and pass it to 'dpkg'
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07:43<Walex>jspiros: I find using 'aptitude' very convenient though
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07:43<jspiros>my issue is that I installed task-xfce-desktop with --no-install-recommends, so it's not as simple as finding a single package's recommends, I need the recommends for every dependency too
07:44<jspiros>is there an easy way to get all those recommends?
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07:44<Walex>jspiros: in 'aptitude' when you open a package it lists all dependencies by class
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07:45<Walex>jspiros: actually even more easily I think you can install the package again; it won't actually be installed, but if you pass '--with-recommands' should do the job
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07:46<Walex>jspiros: it is not necessarily '--with-recommends', you need to set the option (on the command line) 'Apt::Install- Recommends
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07:46<santiago_>hola amigos
07:46<Walex>apt-get install -o Apt::Install-Recommends=1 task-xfce-desktop
07:47<Walex>try that
07:47<jspiros>Walex: yeah, that doesn't work, nor does adding --reinstall to that, because it's not looking at dependency recommends since the dependencies are already installed
07:47<Walex>jspiros: then use 'aptitude'
07:47<jspiros>Walex: installing it now :)
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07:48<Walex>apt-cache -o APT::Cache::ShowRecommends=1 task-xfce-desktop
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07:49<Walex>jspiros: apt-cache -o APT::Cache::ShowRecommends=1 depends task-xfce-desktop seems to work, the output format is not totally convenient
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07:50<jspiros>Walex: although I hope aptitude will help, the issue is that package A depends on package B, which depends on package C, which /suggests/ package D. If none of ABCD are installed and --install-recommends is /enabled/, installing A will install D
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07:50<jspiros>er, /recommends/, not /suggests/
07:51<Walex>jspiros: ahhh thats a different question.
07:51<jspiros>the problem is that if ABC is installed, and I get the recommends list on A, I don't get D :)
07:51<jspiros>reinstalling A won't do anything, and I was hoping there'd be a better method than uninstalling the whole dependency tree for that package and starting over :)
07:52<Walex>jspiros: 'aptitude' may apply the recursive resolver also to installed packages, but not so use.
07:53<Walex>jspiros: try: aptitude -o Apt::Install-Recommends=1 install task-xfce-desktop
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07:54<Walex>jspiros: else you have to go in the "curses" interface and do some fancy expressions or follow the recommends depenencies manually with "+"
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07:57<jspiros>Walex: uninstalling before trying that seems like it might be working, but if not, yeah, I hope ncurses aptitude will work
07:57<jspiros>or if I get tired of it, I'll just uninstall everything and start over
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07:59<jspiros>Walex: thanks for your help :)
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08:01<Walex>jspiros: some examples of using 'aptitude': http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/13-one.html#130414
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09:03<whostha>hi people, i need help getting jessie to work on my amd64. i just get a black screen
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09:03<whostha>i looked around online but there's no mention of EFI in my bios, and people talk about installing in a certain mode? the installation doesn't ask me what mode i want to install in?
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09:24<whostha>i've got an nvidia card, but i don't think that's the issue. i can't get any response from the kernel at all, can't get to a whatchamacallit, a ctrl alt F1 login
09:24<whostha>tty
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09:26<whostha>the BIOS is set to legacy mode, when set to UEFI mode it doesn't seem to do anything
09:26<whostha>i read something about you have to use a GPT partition at the beginning of your drive...
09:27<whostha>2015 and still fiddling for days on end to get a linux boot to run
09:28<bremner>whostha: so you can run the installer, but not reboot after the install?
09:28<whostha>exactly
09:29<bremner>whostha: I guess you could try booting the installer into rescue mode, although I'm not sure where to go from there.
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09:29<whostha>is that one of the options alongside expert install etc when the installer starts?
09:29<bremner>yes
09:30<whostha>i will try that thanks
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09:33<prectOS>Hey
09:33<musca>hey prectOS
09:33<whostha>yo SUP
09:33<prectOS>So i have both 64 and 32bit arch installed, and i want grub too boot to 32 by default
09:33<prectOS>wazza
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09:34<whostha>more grub problems
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09:35<prectOS>I edited /etc/default/grub but it didnt seem to help as the 32 item is in a sub menu
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09:39<whostha>i don't even have an /etc/default/grub
09:39<prectOS>really?
09:39<whostha>nah... i don't know if i'm supposed to or not
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09:39<prectOS>Did u got in using sudo?
09:40<prectOS>U need previlieges for that
09:40<prectOS>try using sudo or logging to root 'su'
09:40<whostha>ahhhh, its a file not a dir
09:40<whostha>my bad
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09:40<prectOS>ah lol
09:40<whostha>thanks
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09:41<prectOS>This is the first time the date doesnt want to change lol, its just switching back all the time
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09:42<prectOS>I wonder if they updated Stretch over alpha 4, i should update now Kappa
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09:44<whostha>ok i can cross off 'nomodeset' as a possible solution
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09:47<jaldhar>Hello. I've got a new laptop up and running with Jessie. The only remaining problem is sound. I have lots of static coming out of my headphone jack.
09:48<jaldhar>The only cure seems to be to mute it altogether which obviously isn't a solution. Anyone have other ideas
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09:48<jaldhar>?
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09:49<whostha>i noticed on an install of debian recently there was an option to load sound modules from db
09:49<whostha>but idrk what im talking about
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09:59<jaldhar>So apparently according to teh googlez the problem is the headphones and microphone are sharing the same jack. But there is no explanation of how to do that outside Windows
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10:00<bremner>jaldhar: does it help to mute the microphone?
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10:03<jaldhar>bremner: I turned down all the mic settings I could find in alsamixer but it doesn't make any difference
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10:09<jaldhar>FYI, it looks like hdajackretask from the alsa-tools-gui package might do what I want. Let's see...
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10:49<fairway>hi all. I look for a good NAS that supports 3.5" HDs where I can install my own debian testing? Any recommendations?
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10:49<fairway>I ask here because I explicity want to install debian
10:49<fairway>the Intel NUC is too small to fit 3.5" HDs
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11:10<stoned>whostha, you chose advanced installed
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11:14<stoned>I just thought of something randomly, I deleted the ~/.ghc directory completely
11:15<stoned>http://sprunge.us/BWSZ <- xmonad.hs won't compile b/c http://sprunge.us/FXNK <- Now it compiles just fine. Who else here was using Xmonad 0.12 on stable?
11:15<stoned>Please raise your finger and ping me
11:15<stoned>Oh, and good morning
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11:15<gnumonk>Hi
11:16<gnumonk>I am facing problem with wifi , I am able to connect to home router using wifi , but I am not able to ping other devices .
11:17<stoned>Are other devices also connected to the router?
11:17<gnumonk>it says "Host not reachable" .
11:17<gnumonk>stoned: Yes.
11:17<stoned>DHCP config?
11:17<gnumonk>stoned: Yes, I am able to ping router .
11:18<stoned>You can check on router, sometimes there is an option to filter intranet traffic.
11:18<stoned>Make sure nothing like that is enabled in router firewall
11:18<stoned>(I can't really think of anything atm, I just woke up)
11:18<gnumonk>its only with wifi, if I use RJ45 cable, its box is able ping other devices.
11:18<stoned>I see
11:19<tremon>fairway: various qnap devices have been supported in the past, not sure about recent models though: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/QNAP
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11:19<gnumonk>stoned: is there anything related to sysctl?
11:19<stoned>http://superuser.com/questions/125052/cant-ping-other-machines-in-my-network
11:20<stoned>I'm unsure, but check this here
11:20<stoned>2nd post down
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11:20<stoned>Sheds some light on ARP/encryption and mluticast/broadcast
11:21<stoned>I am not a network guru, so I'm just guessing.
11:21<stoned>googled " use use GuzzleHttp\Client;"
11:21<stoned>doh, wrong paste
11:21<stoned>"can't ping other computers on network over wifi"
11:21<stoned>etc. etc.
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11:22<gnumonk>stoned: let me see.
11:22<gnumonk>ok
11:22<stoned>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12491396/cant-see-another-computer-in-wifi
11:23<stoned>Some other light shedding, seems related to arp and other network settings
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11:24<gnumonk>stoned: Thanks, let se see.
11:24<stoned>Good luck, I'm unwell, got 3 hours fo sleep in 2+ days, I may or may not be around.
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11:25<gnumonk>stoned: take care, sleep tight, Good night.
11:25<stoned>Hehe, it's 10:30am
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11:27<stoned>Well, I'm going to go back to haskell and xmonad config. Then maybe pass out. Finally got this resolved.
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11:28<stoned>haskell-xmonad-utils_0.12_amd64.deb binary inside this pcakge, instead of xmonad something.deb
11:28<gnumonk>stoned: oh..
11:28<stoned>gnumonk, I might also suggest this: check out freenode IRC And ##wireless and/or ##networking
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11:30<gnumonk>stoned: ok, let me see, It could be a bug while connect from wpa2-psk. After reading above link, let me try to change this.
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12:49<ransom>is there an existing package that does something similar to delegate? <http://www.delegate.org/delegate/> <http://superuser.com/questions/423563/convert-http-requests-to-socks5>
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12:56<FXpro>if the computer has 8gb of ram, do you even need a swap file?
12:57<jelly>if (running chrome) {echo yes}
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12:58<FXpro>ok ummm, I got a problem then. on the install I told not to set a swap file.
12:58<FXpro>its an ubuntu distro too though.
12:58<FXpro>how do I manually set the swap file?
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13:00<jelly>FXpro: ask in #ubuntu channel on irc.freenode.net
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13:01<FXpro>thanks jelly. happy new year 2016!
13:01<jelly>cheers
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13:05<ransom>FXpro, yah, there's some tone here b/c you need a swap partition, will require reboot, etc.
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13:18<lzz>why 'judd' reports there is iceweasel 43 available in jessie-backports but debian site does not, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweasel&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
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13:20<jhutchins>ransom: You do not need to reboot to activate a swap file or partition.
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13:25<stoned>b/c debian site does not keep track of backports repo, the backports site does
13:25<stoned>iirc.
13:25<stoned>pdo does not, but bpo does
13:26<stoned>lzz, i mean
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13:27<jelly>dpkg, tell lzz about mdn
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13:27<stoned>hey, it's jelly! :)
13:27<jelly>hi
13:27<stoned>How do you do mate
13:28<stoned>jelly, I'm looking for jetscreamer and simon raven, seen them around at all lately?
13:28<jelly>stoned: PM
13:29<stoned>Thanks
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13:35<stoned>I use Xmonad ( http://paste.debian.net/359355/ - if any Jessie users are interested in knowing how to compile Xmonad 0.12 as a debian package which is not even in unstable) and rxvt-unicode as my terminal emulator, and weechat as my irc client, and I'm trying to figure out how to make it where I can get something like /openurl (as in irssi) or make it so that I can mouse click hyperlinks in weechat/urxvt and they open in whatever provide
13:35<stoned>x-www-browser or something. Please advise
13:36<stoned>Not just weechat, but click any hperlinks in urxvt
13:37<stoned>http://paste.debian.net/359380/ Here is the relevant section from my .Xresources
13:37<stoned>I have the perl stuff installed (I think, correctly) and the settings defined, yet I can't seem to be able to click the hyperlinks, they do not become clickable.
13:38<stoned>What do I do to fix ?
13:38<stoned>(by that I mean where do I start toubleshooting)
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13:44<kaizoku>stoned: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Rxvt-unicode#Clickable_URLs
13:44<kaizoku>seems like we use a lot of the same software :p
13:44<stoned>Haha
13:44<stoned>kaizoku, hi
13:45<stoned>btw, how are you using 0.12 xmonad
13:45<stoned>debian pckages or some other way?
13:45<kaizoku>oh i guess I'm not
13:45<kaizoku>xmonad --version
13:45<kaizoku>xmonad 0.11.1
13:46*kaizoku upgrades
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13:46<stoned>You can't upgrade!
13:47<stoned>it's not even in sid
13:47<stoned>I haven't checked experimental yet for a src
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13:47<jelly>,v xmonad
13:47<judd>Package: xmonad on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.1-2+b1; wheezy: 0.10-4+b2; jessie: 0.11-9; sid: 0.11.1-4; stretch: 0.11.1-4
13:47<jelly>!uupdate
13:47<dpkg>uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>.
13:47<stoned>kaizoku, but if you want to make a packages out of it, look at my pastebin
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13:50<stoned>cabal-debian provides a nice way to turn any cabal/stack/ghc package with a .cabal file into a debian rules file for the src package
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13:50<stoned>Then you can build it and it will work flawlessly (so far)
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13:51<stoned>jelly, sometime maybe the updated package source is diff and debian patches can break it
13:51<stoned>I think for uupdate
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13:52<stoned>say the debinization of the package is from 1.2, but the source in upstram in 1.4 changes things which breaks the build scripts/rules of 1.2
13:52<stoned>Something like that
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13:53<kaizoku>oh nice
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13:54<kaizoku>nah, i mean upgrade from their darc source
13:54<kaizoku>not through apt
13:54<kaizoku>but you gotta meka a package for all the xmonad stuff, right?
13:54<kaizoku>libghc-xmonad-dev is a seperate package
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13:54<kaizoku>as is libghc-xmonad-contrib-dev
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14:05<kaizoku>i'm on 0.12 now
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14:17<stoned>Argh
14:17<stoned>I dunno what I did
14:17<stoned>xmonad won't launch urxvt anymore w/ mod+shift+enter
14:17<stoned>it was working like 5 min ago
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14:18<stoned>* 2 /usr/bin/urxvt 20 manual mode
14:18<stoned> is what provides my x-terminal-emulator
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14:21<stoned>There is only one alternative in link group x-terminal-emulator (providing /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator): /usr/bin/urxvt
14:21<stoned>Nothing to configure.
14:21<stoned>I can launch urxvt from dmenu
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14:22<bremner>might get more help on #xmonad
14:22<stoned>no I removed urxvt (rxvt-unicode) and it installed xterm
14:22<stoned>Now mod+shift+enter launches the default term as provided by the alternative
14:22<stoned>I wonder why rxvt wasn't launching from within xmonad but from cli or dmenu
14:23<stoned>bremner, not an xmonad issue, something to do w/ debian terminal stuff
14:23<bremner>mkay.
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14:24<stoned>update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/urxvt to provide /usr/bin/rxvt (rxvt) in auto mode <- still launches xterm.
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14:25<stoned>stoned@Stoned-PC:~/git/urxvt-perls$ x-terminal-emulator -version
14:25<stoned>XTerm(312)
14:25<stoned>\o/
14:25<stoned>urxvt is set to be the system default, yet when I do this, I get xterm.
14:25<stoned>Not an xmonad issue.
14:25<stoned>Can you help me w/ it?
14:26<stoned>update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/urxvt to provide /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator (x-terminal-emulator) in manual mode
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14:28<stoned>when I launch xterminal-emulator from dmenu, I get urxvt
14:28<stoned>mod+shift+p still launches something else, I dunno what
14:28<bremner>use ps to see what is launched?
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14:37<stoned>I'm unsure how this became an xmonad issue, when I did nothing but install mrxvt and then try it and remove it (it modified my alternatives)
14:37<stoned>But I manually specified , terminal = "x-terminal-emulator" xmonad.hs and recompiled
14:38<stoned>Tht's so crazy, that a simple thing like that would cause a change. Even w/o a config, default in xmonad is supposed to launch. It does, but not urxvt, a diff term. now it launches urxvt
14:38<stoned>Bizarre.
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14:38<stoned>And I'm on stable. And it'sb een 0.12 runing the whole time, worked fine
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15:28<cesaricchio>buonasera
15:29<cesaricchio>c'è qualche italiano?
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15:41<tremon>!it
15:41<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:49-!-Yst is "Yst Dawson" on #php #ahmia #guardianproject #moocows #oftc #debian-offtopic #debian-next #tor #debian #
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16:00<gass>hello there
16:01<gass>where can i know the current supported debian versions (that is. .. that have security updates)
16:01<gass> /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie
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16:11<markybob>gass https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
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16:13<stoned>Debian 8 “Jessie“ from May 2018 to April/May 2020 WOW
16:13<stoned>5 years. Like ubuntu huh
16:14<stoned>So iirc 2 year release cycle for stable and additional 3 year support
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16:34<feanaro>hey
16:35<feanaro>anybody here?)
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16:35<feanaro>heey
16:35<stoned>hi feanaro
16:35<feanaro>hi
16:36<feanaro>i actually wanted to ask if anybody new anything about the fuzz with Ian
16:36<feanaro>knew*
16:36<markybob>feanaro, that's #debian-offtopic
16:36<feanaro>oookaay
16:36<feanaro>thx
16:36<feanaro>sorry
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16:38<gass>markybob, thanks
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16:41<gass>humm ... upgrade squeeze machines is a problem :(
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17:05<babyface>hi
17:05<babyface>how are you ?
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20:34<brandnewbian>hey guys, having some difficulty get console to run gui apps, need help with the Xauthority problem described here: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/118811/why-cant-i-run-gui-apps-from-root-no-protocol-specified basically I need to know how to set the right display and make it permanent?
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20:40<nevyn>use an appropriate escelation mechinism
20:40<nevyn>such as sux or su-to-root
20:41<nevyn>(I hate su-to-root it's a nasty hack imho)
20:41<brandnewbian>what is sux?
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20:42<nevyn>su x
20:42<nevyn>or gtksu
20:44<nevyn>brandnewbian: su-to-root is part of the menu package.
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20:47<musca>brandnewbian: usually root doesn't need gui apps
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20:57<rf>hello, how could I disable automatic activation of any new USB devices? so after that if I would plug in a new keyboard or mouse or anything on usb, then it would not work
20:58<rf>and step 2, how would I then manually activate giving usb device, by saying which device it can act as. e.g. that usb bus 001, device #1 is allowed to be used as mass storage
20:58<nevyn>rf: udev rules?
20:58<rf>the goal is to avoid "badusb" attacks
20:59<rf>nevyn: ok but more in detail? can I kill some program to stop auto-accepting of new USB devices from current time (untill reboot)?
20:59<nevyn>no it's done by the kernel
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21:00<nevyn>define activate
21:00<rf>there is systemd-udevd process though
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21:00<nevyn>that... as far as you are concerned is the wu tan clan.
21:01<rf>nevyn: it would not be used by anything (would not create /dev/sdc, would not act like hardware keyboard/mouse/HID, etc). it could be though seen in lsusb probably
21:01<nevyn>nothing to f!@# with.
21:01<nevyn>override the action for anythging matching usb to set the device node to 000
21:01<nevyn>is probably as good as it gets simply
21:01<nevyn>you might be able to prevent the creation of the device node using udev too
21:02<rf>nevyn: ok, and how then to activate given usb as mass storage? so it would be in fact under /dev/sdc
21:03<nevyn>match it specifically
21:03<nevyn>oh this is much more elegant you can mark the device as unauthorised using udev
21:03<nevyn>http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/63199/how-to-disable-usb-devices-based-on-vendor-id-in-linux-environment
21:03<nevyn>so you have a broad match udev rule that marks usb things as unauthorised
21:04<nevyn>then a specific match udev rule that markes things as authorised.
21:07<rf>nevyn: of course a bad device would lie about it's serial and pretend to be the build-in or my usuall usb keyboard
21:08<nevyn>rf: so 'specific match' can be on however you want to identify the device
21:08<nevyn>if you're that paranoid about it. you could make it interactive or require a key or do something arbitary where it's disabled until root specifically authorises them
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21:12<rf>nevyn: ok, this looks really nice too: http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/plug-and-prey-malicious-usb-devices#3.2_Locking_down_Linux_using_UDEV
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21:14<nevyn>rf: also.. start pushing for devices to require authorisation for firmware updates see: https://www.crowdsupply.com/ugl/ultimate-hacking-keyboard/updates/1957 for an interesting statement on how one project is managing this
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21:15<rf>nevyn: yeah that too, or better just require hardware switch for any kind of update
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21:18<nevyn>ok so chanigng the default is nice. and matching on multiple parameters which I think you can do with udev should be pretty good
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21:19<nevyn>ie someone would need to spoof vid:pid serial etc
21:21<rf>well spoof is easy, but it needs some prior knowledge
21:21<nevyn>sure
21:21<nevyn>you need a fair bit of prior knowledge
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21:22<rf>nevyn: best solution would be if usb device would authenticate with pubkey. (and would aes encrypt, and authenticate, the data traffic with it)
21:22<nevyn>I think you could generate the udev rules. using udevadm info output to build the match rule to be as specific as possible
21:22<rf>then you would whitelist besed on tht
21:22<rf>(how ever still manuall confirming new devices by bus numer is best to have)
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21:23<nevyn>except...
21:24<nevyn>you can't do that because there are attributes that are counters and junk
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21:26<nutron>hi, could someone give me a hand? I'm having issues with an upgrade from wheezy to jessie. One of my MD arrays didn't nicely make it through and it's being detected as md127, the problem seems to lie with the fact that the sd[efgh] devices not having partitions. when I fdisk -l /dev/sd[efgh] /dev/sdh1 is reported as tpye linux raid autodetect, but when I list the contents of /dev/disk/by-id it shows the drives, but not the partittions...
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21:28<rf>nutron: hmm and does it look correct in "lsblk" ?
21:28<nutron>rf: no, the partitions aren't listed
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21:29<rf>nutron: and in cfdisk they look correct?
21:29<nutron>but to be honest when I do mdadm --examine /dev/sd[efgh] it shows raid info, kinda weird
21:29<rf>nutron: there was some hwparm option to cause kernel to re-read partition table from a device maybe that would be handy
21:29<rf>nutron: hdparm
21:29<orcd3vil>anyone got helpful tips with nvidia drivers for jessie? did a google search tried one way and borked startup with a black screen
21:29<nutron>yes cfdisk shows /dev/sde1 but has two >> before the line which I don't know what that means
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21:30<nutron>isn't there an echo > /sys command to rescan the bus?
21:30<rf>nutron: that isn't just the cursor posion, changable with up/down arrow key? maybe inspect with also gparted and fdisk if all is fine
21:30<rf>nutron: bus? you mean partition table? there is hdparm command for it
21:31<sirelement>Test
21:31<nutron>yes, I'll man that
21:31<rf>sirelement: firs test passed, now let's try again without clothes. and wellcome to usa, land of the free
21:31<sirelement>;)
21:31<nutron>rf: yeah it's -z
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21:32<nutron>rf: that's weird, still doesn't show the partition, it's detected in dmesg etc...
21:33<orcd3vil>anyone able to help with nvidia driver problem followed http://linuxconfig.org/nvidia-geforce-driver-installation-on-debian-jessie-linux-8-64bit and upon reboot black screen, read about it and its a known problem but can't find a solution to get 3d working?
21:33<rf>nutron: you could make it manually the /dev with mknod... or maybe look at udev rules? dunno
21:33<rf>orcd3vil: I don't know that one, but there are kernel bootup options to try other approaches/drivers to nvidia, a more fail-safe modes.. google that, and google kernel modesetting
21:34<nutron>hmm... dunno if it needs to be created, maybe it's a driver issue, this is a server with a RAID controller set to jbod...
21:34<orcd3vil>rf, thnx googling now
21:35<rf>nutron: oh it's hardware raid? hmm dunno then. at worst, post questions to proper forums or ML or to the vendor too
21:35<nutron>no it's software raid
21:35<nutron>but it's basically a sas kit to allow many drives.
21:36<nutron>worked in wheezy, now jessie says nope
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21:52<anonymous>hola
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21:52<anonymous>hola solo queria saludar
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21:53<nevyn>!es
21:53<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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