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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-01-24

---Logopened Sun Jan 24 00:00:18 2016
00:00<Arcade>Its a library I need for trying out .Net 5
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01:38<tracewpearson>?
01:38<PovAddict>!
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01:43<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I would like to have 'Cinelerra' an video editor in my Debian Jessie, but it is not available in the official stable repository. Is that possible I download it and install it through Debian Jessie backports ?
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01:51<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I would like to have 'Cinelerra' an video editor in my Debian Jessie, but it is not available in the official stable repository. Is that possible I download it and install it through Debian Jessie backports ?
01:52<tracewpearson>R4F_Debian: It looks like Cinelerra it contains components that may not be free software. See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=156614 It looks may be availble in the deb-multimedia repo.
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01:53<R4F_Debian>Hi tracepearson, thanks for attending me here. Well, if it contains bugs that shall make my system suffer any crash, perhaps it's better an alternative found in Debian repositories...
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01:54<R4F_Debian>tracepearson, have you got any option, that I can get through official Debian repo, to replace cinelerra ?
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01:55<tracewpearson>Sorry I don't. I am not familiar with audio/video editing.
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01:56<R4F_Debian>I see, but thanks anyway, that's very kind of yours passing me information about cinelerra and bugs in Debian !
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01:57<R4F_Debian>Have you a good day, tracewpearson, nice to see you here !
01:57<tracewpearson>You too.
01:57<R4F_Debian>Thanks, Friend !
01:57<R4F_Debian>Bye !
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02:05<kussalrad>hi, is this where i go to talk to all the cool people?
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04:07<stripe>hi all what’s the easiest way to autorun a bash script at bootup and another at shutdoen/reboot?
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04:08<stripe>shutdown*
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04:37<rqou>Hi, I have a weird question about installing debian. Is it possible to "crossgrade" to debian from a non-debian (ubuntu) by somehow installing debian in a new btrfs subvolume?
04:37<rqou>I have a really weird partitioning setup that I don't want to reinstall
04:40<towo`>crosscrade is impossible
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04:40<rqou>i'm essentially trying to do a fresh install without partitioning
04:40<towo`>i don't undertstand you problem, you can install debian in your partition setup
04:41<towo`>no need to partitioning new
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04:41<rqou>I also don't want to delete my current install until I migrate everything, so I want to install in a new subvolume
04:41<rqou>is that possible?
04:42<rqou>I currently have one btrfs partition that has subvolumes "@" and "@home"
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04:42<rqou>I want to create a new one "@debian"
04:42<rqou>and install debian there
04:42<rqou>and then delete "@" later
04:42<rqou>is it possible to do this?
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05:07<HiTree>Hi! I've seen that xchat is marked for removal. popcon says hexchat has not even 1/10 of the users. What chat clients are you using/recommending?
05:09<rqou>I'm currently using ChatZilla.
05:11<HiTree>rqou: ok, any debian package you can suggest?
05:12<rqou>I'm not currently running debian; trying to migrate my really weird and broken system
05:12<HiTree>ok. thanks
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05:12<rqou>My ChatZilla is installed through addons.mozilla.org I think
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05:16<rqou>So based on a bunch of random searching of Google, it seems I can manually install debian in a btrfs subvolume using deboostrap? Does anyone have experience trying to do that?
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05:18<mith_>hi
05:18<mith_>I have done an apt-get upgrade on debian jessie, but it appeared something unusual
05:19<mith_>http://pastebin.com/VPymMxn4
05:19<mith_>why are there pem certificates?
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05:20<rqou>The ca-certificates package changed?
05:20<babilen>mith_: Because you upgraded ca-certificates
05:20<babilen>dpkg: tell mith_ -about pastebin.com
05:20<babilen>dpkg: tell mith_ -about localised errors
05:20<mith_>and so?
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05:21<babilen>And so there were changes to the certificates that are installed
05:21<mith_>are there errors in the upgrade?
05:21<babilen>I don't see any, but then my Italian isn't great.
05:21<mith_>ok babilen, I understand, thank you
05:21<babilen>mith_: Take a look at /usr/share/doc/ca-certificates/changelog.gz
05:21<mith_>babilen, I odn't understand your message: <babilen> dpkg: tell mith_ -about localised errors
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05:22<babilen>You should have received a private message from out bot, dpkg.
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05:22<babilen>Two messages actually
05:22<babilen>dpkg: localised errors
05:22<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
05:22<babilen>dpkg: pastebin.com
05:22<dpkg>pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/
05:22<mith_>yes..
05:22<babilen>mith_: Those two ^^^
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05:23<rqou>More questions on my weird setup I'm trying to fix: What packages on top of a base deboostrap do I need to boot from an encrypted volume?
05:23<mith_>ok babilen, I will use paste.debian.net, but I don't know if i want to set my language on English... ^^
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05:24<babilen>It would only change the language for that command (so that we can read the error messages)
05:25<babilen>rqou: What kind of encryption?
05:25<rqou>LUKS
05:25<babilen>(and has the volume been encrypted already?)
05:25<HiTree>rqou: cryptsetup
05:25<HiTree>rqou and you need an non btrfs boot partition.
05:25<babilen>rqou: cryptsetup comes to mind
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05:26<mith_>I got it babilen,thank you ;)
05:27<denis>hello
05:27<babilen>mith_: You are welcome
05:27<mith_>=)
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05:27<HiTree>rqou if you are repairing a system you might also need to check /etc/crypttab and rerun update-initramfs -k all -u
05:28<rqou>I'm not repairing, I'm trying to go from ubuntu unsupported to debian without having to delete anything
05:28<babilen>Why do you assume that the result will be supportable? ;)
05:29<babilen>And why don't you use your /home backup and <aptitude clone> to start with a pristine system?
05:29<rqou>I am trying to do that
05:30<rqou>I am trying to do a clean install into a new subvolume
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05:30<HiTree>rqou: i can't remember that debian installer supports subvolumes... sorry.
05:30<rqou>http://paste.debian.net/367487/
05:31<rqou>that's what I've been finding, that the installer doesn't work
05:31<rqou>(according to google, haven't tried it yet)
05:32<rqou>I actually don't know how to recreate the partitioning scheme I'm currently running
05:32<rqou>it slowly evolved over time
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05:33<HiTree>rqou: you can try debootrap/cdebootstraping a new system... but....
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05:35<rqou>that's what I'm currently trying to figure out how to do
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05:36<rqou>My partitioning currently looks like this: http://paste.debian.net/367490/
05:37<HiTree>rqou: I suggest a backup :-)
05:37<rqou>even if I did, I probably couldn't figure out how to reinstall that :P
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05:38<HiTree>rqou: I don't know if debians initramfs/mounting scripts support subvolumes at all...
05:38<rqou>my current ubuntu setup "works"
05:38<rqou>as in, it boots
05:39<rqou>things break every time I dist-upgrade it though :P
05:39<HiTree>rqou: I know that ubuntu supports this, but never tried it on debian.
05:39<rqou>awesome
05:40<HiTree>Someone listeing, who already tried subvolumes in debian?
05:41<muep>does the initramfs need any special support for that?
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05:42<HiTree>muep: at least the mounting scribts and the crypttab should support it, is @ allowed in the mounting sting?
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05:43<muep>if this is about btrfs subvolumes, I think I have used the rootflags=subvol=root or suchlike
05:43<rqou>I currently have btrfs subvolumes on LUKS
05:43<rqou>for maximum breakage :P
05:44<rqou>but /boot is ext4
05:44<muep>no idea about how it would interact with LUKS. but I guess it might even work just fine
05:44<rqou>ubuntu has a thing that prompts for the luks password during boot
05:45<HiTree>rqou: so has debian in initramfs.
05:45<rqou>so maybe it just works?
05:45<rqou>ubuntu puts subvol=<something> in the mount options in fstab
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05:46<markybob>if you edited /etc/crypttab properly and /etc/fstab it just works, yeah. installer automates this
05:46<HiTree>you have to make a working /etc/crypttab and a working /etc/fstab before runnint update-initramfs -u -k all in the cdebootstrap created chroot.
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05:47<rqou>my setup was never created by the installer to start, for even more awesome breakage
05:47<rqou>I somehow in-place migrated to LUKS, but I can't recall how I did that :P
05:47<rqou>there was a script written by some guy somewhere at some point
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05:48<trada>MSG trada a
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05:48<HiTree>rqou: if you are not firm, i suggest a new install by recovering /home from backup.
05:49<rqou>my /home is on a subvolume, so that isn't as much of a problem
05:50<HiTree>rqou: but a correct config for /etc/fstab, /etc/crypttab, bootloader, and correct packages installed might be.
05:50<HiTree>rqou: on a new install this is all done by the installer.
05:50<rqou>I thought (one of) the points of btrfs is that I can go back to my working install of ubuntu?
05:50<rqou>by somehow switching the subvolumes around
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05:51<HiTree>rqou: of course... if you boot expereiment does not break your boot-process...
05:51<rqou>right
05:51<rqou>that
05:52<xvistaman>idk if any one can help me but i have a piace of asm i wrote jsut learning about x86 asm im trying to execute the code in qemu but i also need my grphical debugger to work as it is a bit easyer to use then jsut gdb im useing insight the problem is i dont know how to launch the program under insigiht so that the soruce and regs infos all show up i can howver conect to the qemu local host witch is paused waiting instrucions from gdb i
05:52<xvistaman>just need it to work with all the inight windows any one help ?
05:52<HiTree>rqou: you can even snapshot, but it does not reduce complexity if something goes wrong.
05:53<rqou>I've done snapshots but never tested actually doing a rollback
05:54<HiTree>rqou: If nothing important is on the system... go on. But if it is required to work... go down the simple safe road.
05:54<rqou>I've actually not had good luck with the fresh installers either
05:54<HiTree>rqou ?
05:55<rqou>at least not with ubuntu's
05:55<rqou>i seem to remember having to do some magic reinstallation of grub to switch to EFI booting
05:55<markybob>rqou, jessie supports efi by default. no extra work
05:55<HiTree>rqou: this should work out of the box if you install current debian.
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05:56<rqou>I remember some hack involving a special "-amd64-apple" iso or something (this system was last fresh-installed a long time ago. all subsequent updates were in-place)
05:56<rqou>or maybe ubuntu is just broken? :P
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05:57<markybob>ubuntu is broken in many ways
05:57<HiTree>rqou: wrong channel to discuss this :-) (but nice try)
05:57<rqou>hey, the reason I'm here is to get off of my EOL Ubuntu 14.10
05:58<markybob>rqou, so install jessie. it has efi support. you'll be fine
05:59<rqou>it won't clobber rEFInd or anything?
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06:00<rqou>because it seems every time I update some part of my system some other part of the boot process breaks
06:00<rqou>or is there a recommended replacement for rEFInd now?
06:01<rqou>btw for extra breakage I'm on a Mac, not a normal PC UEFI
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06:09<rqou>so i'm trying the debootstrap method for now, and Ubuntu's debootstrap doesn't know about stretch
06:09<rqou>how do I fix that?
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06:11<rqou>will things break if I install debian's deboostrap into ubuntu?
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06:11<cRainbow>greetings
06:11<cRainbow>windows messed up my grub
06:12<rootov_>hello guys
06:12<cRainbow>couldnt restore it with grubRescueCd
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06:12<cRainbow>how do I use debian liveCd to boot into my installed sys ?
06:12<cRainbow>like, real boot, not just terminal on that partition
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06:15<cRainbow>anyone ?
06:15<Thetan>After last upgrade, SSL certificate verification is failing
06:15<Thetan>Who can help on that? Probably i need to import Mozilla CA, or something.
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06:18<HiTree>Thetan: Did you selected only a frew of the certs during the installation? could you check "dpkg-reconfigure -plow ca-certificates" as root?
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06:19<HiTree>Thetan: only a specific cert, or all certs?
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06:20<cRainbow>also, from debian install cd > reinstall grub, didnt work
06:20<cRainbow>how do I boot into my system and try to fix it from within ?
06:21<HiTree>rqou: I thought you wanted to install debian onto a separate subvolume...
06:21<rqou>yes, i'm doing it using debootstrap
06:21<rqou>but ubuntu's deboostrap doesn't know how to deboostrap debian
06:21<HiTree>rqou: try jessie...
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06:22<rqou>i just replaced it with the debian deboostrap for now
06:22<rqou>seems to have worked ok
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06:22<rqou>won't be the worst system i've ever built
06:22<rqou>:P
06:22<HiTree>cRainbow: which windows version?
06:22<cRainbow>i have xp, 7 and debian
06:22<cRainbow>7 and debian was booting ok
06:23<cRainbow>but xp wasnt
06:23<cRainbow>so I messed with grub and broke it
06:23<HiTree>cRainbox :-(
06:23<cRainbow>well, grubrescueCd did it
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06:23<cRainbow>if i could boot into my debian
06:23<Thetan>@HiTree, let me read your message
06:24<cRainbow>that might help me to get it somewhat back on track
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06:24<cRainbow>maybe get rid of grub and setup lilo
06:24<Thetan>@HiTree I said yes, and all certificates in the list are accepted.
06:24<HiTree>cRainbow: did you noticed that debian-iso contains a "recovering" boot option?
06:24<cRainbow>dunno why xp didnt boot
06:25<HiTree>Thetan: only a specific cert, or all certs?
06:25<HiTree>is not working...
06:25<cRainbow>recover yes but that just gives me terminal
06:25<Thetan>@HiTree: Can't send SMS: 500 Can't connect to api.twilio.com:443 (certificate verify failed)
06:25<Thetan>But this happened after apt-get upgrade
06:25<Thetan>so the server certificate is alright, but on my side, Debian is not recognizing CA probably.
06:26<Thetan>Updating certificates in /etc/ssl/certs... 0 added, 0 removed; done
06:26<cRainbow>from which i did grub-install but it didnt fix it
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06:27<rqou>can ubuntu and debian safely share a /boot ?
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06:27<HiTree>Thetan: worked on my side...
06:28<cRainbow>there should be a way to boot into debian with bootcd, but google doesnt drop the results im after
06:28<bremner>rqou: doubt it. that's where the kernel lives
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06:28<rqou>do the kernels have the same name?
06:28<bremner>dunno.
06:28<Thetan>HiTree, I never touch the cert directory
06:28<Thetan>HiTree: worked on my side too, but maybe your side does not use scripts to connect to SSL sites.
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06:28<rqou>hmm, i think I can get away with it
06:29<bremner>rqou: certainly the debian kernels don't have "debian" in the name
06:29<rqou>my ubuntu kernel is so old it isn't the same version as debian
06:29<HiTree>cRainbow: recovery can even boot in your installed debian as chroot with terminal, there you can repair grub.
06:29<cRainbow>but it didnt
06:29<cRainbow>thaths the thing
06:29<bremner>rqou: ok, "get away with it" is much different than "safely"
06:29<rqou>i'm planning to decommission the ubuntu afterwards anyways
06:29<cRainbow>i booted into recovey terminal of my installed sys, run grub-install
06:30<rqou>so "get away with it" is fine for now
06:30<cRainbow>that didnt fix it =./
06:30<HiTree>cRainbow: you have to answer the questions about mounting etc. right... boot etc needs to be mount by hand... only root is mounted
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06:30<cRainbow>oh
06:30<cRainbow>hm
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06:31<HiTree>cRainbow: but should be in fstab, so only mount /boot should work.
06:31<rqou>btw do the asix usb-ethernet chips need any special firmware?
06:31<rqou>or do they work out of the box?
06:31<HiTree>Thetan: which http client is using the https connection? wget? curl?
06:32<cRainbow>and then just the regular grub-install command should do it ?
06:32<cRainbow>after mounting /boot, that is
06:32<HiTree>if grub config is ok :-)
06:32<cRainbow>yes
06:32<cRainbow>ok i will try
06:32<HiTree>mount /proc might also be needed...
06:32<cRainbow>oh
06:32<cRainbow>anything else ?
06:32<cRainbow>:)
06:32<HiTree>s /sys? don't now...
06:32<HiTree>s/now/know
06:33<cRainbow>hm
06:33<HiTree>grub should complain.
06:33<cRainbow>last time it didnt complain
06:33<cRainbow>all wen well
06:33<cRainbow>without mounting
06:33<HiTree>hm... you've separate /boot partition?
06:33<cRainbow>no
06:33<HiTree>ok... than it should work without :-)
06:34<cRainbow>without mounting ?
06:34<HiTree>you cant mount /boot when there's no boot mountpoint / disk
06:34<Thetan>HiTree: it is module SMS::Send in the package: libsms-send-perl and I did:
06:34<Thetan>sudo update-ca-certificates --fresh, 174 added, 0 removed; done., but still not recognized
06:35<cRainbow>that sys is on one partition
06:35<cRainbow>no seperate mounts for /boot /sys etc
06:36<HiTree>Thetan: maybe some perl users can help?
06:36<HiTree>cRainbow: /sys /porc should be.
06:36<HiTree>s/porc/proc
06:37<Thetan>HiTree, I will try in monastery
06:38<cRainbow>im confused now
06:38<HiTree>Thetan: is wget for this url working?
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06:39<Thetan>HiTree, everything works on that URL. It is Twilio, they make sure thousands of people have it right. Simply after upgrade, my scripts and voice system cannot connect any more.
06:39<cRainbow>so do i need to mount additional mountpoint or not, if all my sys is on one partition by default ?
06:39<Thetan>I am sure that is about CA not recognized, something about it. Because package ca-certificates was upgraded.
06:40<HiTree>cRainbow grub complainted to me if I didn't mounted /proc or /sys....
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06:40<cRainbow>hm
06:40<cRainbow>you have different partitions for thouse mpoints then
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06:40<HiTree>Thetan: have you tried "wget https://api...."
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06:41<cRainbow>for my sys its all one partition
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06:41<rqou>Ok, I've done a debootstrap install; let's see what happens
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06:41<cRainbow>grub-install said "done" without any complaints but grub wasnt fixed
06:43<HiTree>cRainbow: maybe you installed grub not in mbr bat in partition?
06:43<cRainbow>/dev/sda
06:43<cRainbow>mbr
06:43<HiTree>ok. then it should have worked...
06:44<cRainbow>thats what i thought
06:44<cRainbow>but apparently something isnt working right
06:44<cRainbow>could it be that windows is in a way somehow ?
06:44<HiTree>cRainbow: sometimes boot-media gets sda, have you checked if sda is the harddisk?
06:44<cRainbow>it shouldnt be though
06:45<cRainbow>yes, my partitions is /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 etc
06:45<cRainbow>possitive
06:45<HiTree>ok.
06:45<HiTree>cRainbow: after update-grub nothing boots?
06:46<HiTree>cRainbow: or is windows etc working.
06:46<cRainbow>i will go through it one more time and be back with an update
06:46<cRainbow>cant boot anything
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06:46<rqou_mobile>so does anyone know how to boot the kernel manually from grub?
06:47<cRainbow>thanks for now, HiTree
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06:47<cRainbow>will be back
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06:48<HiTree>rqou_mobile: googled? e.g. https://askubuntu.com/questions/21342/how-can-i-load-ubuntu-when-all-i-have-is-grub
06:49<rqou_mobile>it's more complicated it seems with btrfs+luks
06:51<rqou_mobile>OK, I have a running debian stretch!
06:51<rqou_mobile>kinda
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06:53<rqou_mobile>so for some reason the luks password screen is a blank Ubuntu purple
06:53<rqou_mobile>but if I blindly type the pw debian comes up
06:54<bremner>rqou_mobile: sounds like plymouth behaving badly?
06:54<Thetan>HiTree: wget works
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06:54<rqou_mobile>I'm still using Ubuntu grub
06:54<rqou_mobile>now I need to get a gui environment installed
06:55<rqou_mobile>also, is it safe to just directly transfer my Ubuntu /home over to debian?
06:55<bremner>should be fine
06:55<Thetan>HiTree: I got error in other interface "self signed certificate in certificate chain, investigated, only strage certificate is: ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
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06:56<bremner>rqou_mobile: the only thing that might cause you problems is configuration for software with different versions
06:58<rqou_mobile>(no flames please) will iceweasel use my Firefox profile?
06:59<bremner>uh. hard to say. probably?
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07:09<cRainbow>HiTree: now im qithin liveCd. mounted my debian partition and chrooted
07:09<rqou_mobile>dumb question: given a debootstrap install what do I do go get a graphical login?
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07:10<cRainbow>now it does complain "cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev/ mounted?)"
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07:12<HiTree>cRainbow: mount /dev
07:12<HiTree>mount /dev/pts
07:13<cRainbow>i dont have seperate boot partition
07:13<cRainbow>what should i mount
07:13<HiTree>mount /dev
07:14<cRainbow>"can't find /dev in /etc/fstab"
07:16<cRainbow>after exit chroot" "devmpfs is already mounted on /dev"
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07:16<HiTree>cRainbow: yes. you have to pass the right parameters... first mount /sys (sysfs)
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07:17<HiTree>cRainbow: btw: what does ls /boot show?
07:17<cRainbow>but i just mounted the whole /dev/sda5, thats where my broken debian sits
07:17<HiTree>when in chroot...
07:17<cRainbow>ls /boot shows all the regular files in boot
07:17<HiTree>also a grub dir?
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07:18<cRainbow>yep
07:18<HiTree>mount -t sysfs /sys /sys
07:19<cRainbow>didnt get that, HiTree ?
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07:19<HiTree>mount the /sys
07:19<cRainbow>from chroot ?
07:19<cRainbow>how?
07:19<HiTree>in chroot
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07:19<HiTree>mount -t sysfs none /sys
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07:20<rqou_mobile>how do I install a graphical environment on a debootstrap base install? I tried installing "xorg" but that by itself doesn't give graphical login
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07:20<cRainbow>ok "mount -t sysfs none /sys" went without complaint
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07:21<cRainbow>still it cant find /boot/grub
07:21<HiTree>now try to update-grub
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07:21<HiTree>ok. strange.
07:21<cRainbow>"cannot find device for / "
07:22<cRainbow>"is /dev mounted?"
07:22<HiTree>is the device in /dev ?
07:22<cRainbow>sda ?
07:22<cRainbow>no it isnt
07:23<HiTree>mount -t devtmpfs udev /dev
07:24<HiTree>mount -t devpts devpts /dev/pts
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07:24<cRainbow>first cmd did work fine
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07:24<HiTree>is there a sda?
07:24<pippo>hi
07:25<cRainbow>yes
07:25<HiTree>und the update-grub?
07:26<cRainbow>"failed to read /proc/cmdline. Ignoring: No such file or directory"
07:26<HiTree>rqou_mobile: go to the chroot... aptitude lists some tasks....
07:26<HiTree>mount -t proc proc /proc
07:27<HiTree>cRainbow: I knew there where some mounts involved ;-)
07:27<cRainbow>apparently
07:27<cRainbow>last cmd ist valid
07:27<rqou_mobile>so what should I select if I was previously running a duct tape of awesome window manager + Ubuntu hacked GNOME?
07:27<HiTree>rqou: it depends ;-)
07:28<HiTree>rqou_mobile: i don't answer "taste" qeustions...
07:28<rqou_mobile>what would be most similar?
07:28<HiTree>rqou_mobile: gnome?
07:29<rqou_mobile>I was somehow doing something where awesome wm would be the window manager but themes were GNOME
07:29<HiTree>task-gnome-desktop
07:29<HiTree>don't forget to install you language task too..
07:29<HiTree>cRainbow: how is it going?
07:32<cRainbow>last cmd didnt work
07:32<cRainbow>right
07:32<HiTree>the proc mounting?
07:32<cRainbow>yes
07:32<cRainbow>sorry have to go
07:32<cRainbow>will be back soo
07:33<HiTree>ok.
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07:41<rqou_mobile>I got a lot of warnings about wide characters and ckbcomp, is that normal?
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07:47<HiTree>rqou_mobile in a chroot, nothing is normal...
07:48<HiTree>rqou_mobile: you may also need to mount /sys /proc /dev /dev/pts
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07:49<rqou>no, i'm not in a chroot
07:49<HiTree>rqou: hm...
07:49<rqou>anyways, i now have a kinda-working-ish desktop environment
07:49<rqou>now to slowly fix brokenness
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07:52<rqou>first question: how do I do hidpi in debian? In ubuntu I changed some magic scale setting somewhere in its unity preferences, which somehow went on to affect the whole system
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08:02<BennySLBS>Hi, I have Issue with a ATH QCA6164 wifi, using sid/unstable - Is this the right place to get support on that?
08:02<HiTree>rqou: https://wiki.debian.org/MonitorDPI
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08:03<HiTree>rqou: http://ask.debian.net/questions/how-to-set-the-dpi-of-the-display
08:03<HiTree>!ask
08:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:05<BennySLBS>lspci says: "03:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6164 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 20)"
08:05<BennySLBS>dmesg |grep ath10k gives:
08:05<BennySLBS>[ 1.628605] ath10k_pci 0000:03:00.0: pci irq msi-x interrupts 8 irq_mode 0 reset_mode 0
08:05<BennySLBS>[ 1.869734] ath10k_pci 0000:03:00.0: firmware: failed to load ath10k/cal-pci-0000:03:00.0.bin (-2)
08:05<BennySLBS>[ 1.869736] ath10k_pci 0000:03:00.0: Direct firmware load for ath10k/cal-pci-0000:03:00.0.bin failed with error -2
08:05<BennySLBS>[ 1.873389] ath10k_pci 0000:03:00.0: firmware: failed to load ath10k/QCA6174/hw2.1/board-pci-168c:0041:17aa:3545.bin (-2)
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08:10<rqou_mobile>BennySLBS: I have one of those, it needs a non-free firmware that might not be packaged. There's a random GitHub repo withfirmware
08:11<BlueWolf>netinst cd with firmware starts up and installs the driver for my rtl8821ae, but it loses the connection every time
08:11<BlueWolf>after 1-3 seconds
08:11<BlueWolf>and reconnects
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08:16<HiTree>BlueWolf: have you set your regulatory domain? see: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2245164
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08:18<HiTree>BlueWolf: also a bug report is already filed on this, maybe you can comment on this : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=751536
08:18<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/751536 in src:linux (open): «linux-image-3.14-1-amd64: rtl8821ae driver stops working after a short period of activity»; severity: important; opened: 2014-06-13; last modified: 2014-06-13.
08:18<mith_>hi, I run chkrootkit and I'm worring about it... but they could be false positive. Could anyone look at it? Thank you
08:18<mith_>http://paste.debian.net/367498/
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08:20<HiTree>mith_: have you read: /usr/share/doc/chkrootkit/README.FALSE-POSITIVES
08:20<mith_>not yet HiTree... I go now to read... thx
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08:25<BlueWolf>hm :(
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08:25<HiTree>BlueWolf: pleas do some reporting about this. Post it to the debian bug-report...
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08:25<BlueWolf>ok
08:26<HiTree>BlueWolf: you know reportbug?
08:26<BlueWolf>not really
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08:26<HiTree>BlueWolf: just start reportbug from your commandline
08:27<BlueWolf>ok
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08:27<HiTree>BlueWolf: if you want to know more about it: https://wiki.debian.org/reportbug
08:28<BlueWolf>thanks
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08:38<rqou_>I tried setting the DPI using xrdb -merge and nothing happens. What am I doing wrong?
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08:41<HiTree>rqou_: merge?
08:41<rqou_>"echo Xft.dpi: 144 | xrdb -merge"
08:41<rqou_>that's what https://wiki.debian.org/MonitorDPI says
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08:42<HiTree>rqou_ it's not working on newly started apps?
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08:43<rqou_>oh huh maybe it is on new apps
08:43<rqou_>the ubuntu hack thing works immediately, on everything
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08:45<HiTree>rqou: yes should be... : "Applications using XSETTINGS will be notified on a change"
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08:47<rqou_mobile>it's not persistent on reboot though
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08:51<HiTree>rqou: ~/.Xresources
08:51<HiTree>adding you setting there should do the trick.
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08:53<HiTree>rqou_mobile: also some of https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI might work.
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08:56*cRainbow s back
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08:56<cRainbow>so yes, HiTree.. the proc mount didnt work
08:57<cRainbow>maybe none /proc , same as for none /sys ?
08:57<HiTree>mount -t proc proc /proc
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08:57<cRainbow>ook worked
08:58<cRainbow>lets try grub-install
08:58<cRainbow>finished no error reported
08:58<HiTree>cRainbow: keep fingers crossed.
08:58<cRainbow>so far so good
08:58<cRainbow>:)
08:58<cRainbow>do i need to run update-grub now ?
08:58<cRainbow>before reboot
08:58<HiTree>always a good idea.
08:58<cRainbow>ok
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08:59<cRainbow>does it matter gru or grub2 ?
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08:59<HiTree>should not.
08:59<cRainbow>k
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09:00<cRainbow>nope
09:00<cRainbow>"No bootable device -- insert bla bla.."
09:00<HiTree>you have to check you config... sry. maybe another boot media is used?
09:01<cRainbow>booting back to liveCd
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09:04<cRainbow>in grub.cfg: "set root='hd0,msdos5' ...
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09:06<cRainbow>_HiTree: still here ?
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09:27<gxg>How can I run a program that tries to use an Xorg display? Is it possible to emulate one
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09:49<gxg>well I just installed xorg and xserver-common, added xinit, even though there's no display, and i was able to fake it. <3
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10:02<cRainbow>guys... whats the problem with windowsXp and grub, why doesnt it boot right ?
10:02<cRainbow>managed to fix my grub, got win7 and debian booting
10:02<cRainbow>but xp still isnt straight
10:03<cRainbow>anyone experience on that ?
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10:05<cRainbow>did grub messed up xp partition ?
10:05<cRainbow>heres 700+ people but channel is silent, weird!
10:06<cRainbow>:P
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10:07<krrnnkz>schh
10:09<cRainbow>:)
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10:24<satbyy>debianers are busy packaging, no time to chat
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10:26<towo`>cRainbow, let e rephrase, you have installed xp, then win7 and then linux?
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10:27<towo`>cRainbow, then xp should be in the startmenu from win7
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10:27<cRainbow>yes, xp, win7 and linux
10:27<cRainbow>but then my grub got messed up
10:28<towo`>cRainbow, and btw, have you provided an output of fdisk -l?
10:28<towo`>"messed up" is saying zero
10:28<cRainbow>its on other machine, cant give u that
10:29<cRainbow>well it didnt boot anything anymore
10:29<cRainbow>i managed to fix it with grubrescueCd
10:29<cRainbow>first i had to fix windows mrb
10:29<brady>this might help http://www.supergrubdisk.org/
10:29<cRainbow>and only then i could fix grub itself
10:30<cRainbow>brady, thats what helped me out this time yes
10:30<cRainbow>though weird i had to restore windows mbr before i could rescue grub
10:31<cRainbow>so, towo`, now win7 doesnt know winXp
10:31<towo`>why not, it should
10:31<towo`>but anyway who cares about winxp nowdays, it's dead
10:32<brady>lol, i think xp is going to be around for a long time. I heard the EU pays microsoft to keep supporting it
10:33<cRainbow>xp is because of one sowtware which runs only on xp heh
10:33<brady>bleeding edge microsoft stuff is always the worst
10:33<towo`>then i would run xp in a vm
10:33<brady>haha me too, i just keep xp in a vm for an old copy of rosetta stone
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10:34<cRainbow>i would aswell but that box is for people who cant even shutdown properly
10:34<cRainbow>so vm would be just impossible
10:34<cRainbow>:D
10:34<mith__>towo`, I use xp on a lot of pc of my association, that has not good pc, and where xp works fine for all the needs
10:34<brady>actually, could make it even easier
10:35<towo`>mith__, and? XP is still dead
10:35<brady>i've had virtualbox setup before it starts automatically, even though it runs on top of linux
10:35<mith__>here xp are alive =)
10:35<brady>lol
10:35<mith__>is alive*
10:35<towo`>and will not get any security updates for the many open securityholes anymore
10:35<brady>the only thing i use xp for is an old copy of Myst and Rosetta stone
10:36<brady>c ya
10:36<mith__>towo`, every month there are some updates
10:37<mith__>for xp SP3
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10:37<bremner>guys, xp support status is offtopic here
10:37<mith__>ok =)
10:37<cRainbow>xp is for vm only (normaly), but this isnt normal setup so dunno..
10:38<cRainbow>so how the fck do i get grub to recognize it
10:38<cRainbow>google doesnt drop me answer easly
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10:46<catern>can I set up a NAT on a bridge with ifupdown?
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10:47<cRainbow>catern: u r better off connecting #debian on freenode
10:48-!-mode/#debian [+l 747] by debhelper
10:48<cRainbow>this is just a silent hill over here
10:48<PadawanLearner>catern: do you mean on the bridge interface?
10:48<PovAddict>cRainbow: nonsense, this is the official channel, not the one in freenode
10:49<cRainbow>ok
10:49<cRainbow>doesnt look like it is though
10:49<catern>PadawanLearner: yes
10:49<cRainbow>700+ ppl but hard to get any chatter at all
10:50<cRainbow>maybe bad timing
10:50<cRainbow>whatever
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10:50<catern>(in general I'm looking for something that can set up both NAT and support a Hurricane Electric IPv6 tunnel. because I want to set up a bridge with IPv4 NAT and HE tunneled IPv6)
10:52<PadawanLearner>sorry mate, i'm still avoiding ipv6 like the plague
10:52<catern>well ifupdown can do the latter just fine
10:52<PovAddict>blargh
10:52<PovAddict>I can't install skype
10:52<catern>why are you avoiding IPv6?
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10:55<PadawanLearner>quite honestly because i really don't have the time and will to relearn networking right now, i know it's inevitable, in a couple of months i'll have to muster the willpower to cope with it... till then i guess
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11:00<cRainbow>ha!
11:00<cRainbow>got it!
11:01<cRainbow>what could i do without 700+ of you
11:01<cRainbow>:D
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11:24<Rinpoo>what would be the best debian irc channel for me if Ive got questions about admin. a deb server? Like what to use for log scanning blocking users etc.
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11:25<Rinpoo>I just need some suggestions with what to start
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11:39<skypuppy>hello. first time here. nvidia drivers are driving me MAD!
11:40<skypuppy>what line do I use in sousrces.list to get them from the pool?
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11:40<skypuppy>oh, amd64 and version 352.63
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11:40<PovAddict>you don't need any extra sources line
11:40<PovAddict>do you have non-free in it now?
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11:41<skypuppy>they are NOT FOUND without a new line. Yes, I've non-free already
11:41<PovAddict>"apt-cache search nvidia" they must be there
11:43<skypuppy>they are not there. The actual files reside on this page: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/?C=M;O=A
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11:43<PovAddict>if you have non-free in your sources.list, you do 'apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms' and it just works
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11:43<PovAddict>maybe you didn't run 'apt-get update' after modifying sources.list?
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11:44<skypuppy>I have run 'update' a zillion times
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11:44<PovAddict>pastebin your sources.list
11:45<skypuppy>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile' deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie non-free deb
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11:45<PovAddict>!pastebin
11:45<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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11:46<skypuppy>rats. This is making totally crazy and ANGRY.
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11:47<PovAddict>http://paste.debian.net/367563/ works for me
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11:48<skypuppy>nvidia kernel is already up to date, according to apt-get
11:48<PovAddict>then you already have it installed, what's your real problem
11:48<skypuppy>the kernel tools are NOT the actual drivers
11:48<PovAddict>but that implies everything apt-related sourceslist-related is set up properly
11:49<PovAddict>maybe you need to install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia?
11:49<skypuppy>except for the deb packages that are in the link I posted about "pool..."
11:49<PovAddict>*all* packages in debian are in "pool"
11:49<PovAddict>that's the internal mirror organization
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11:50<skypuppy>i have downloaded the individual files to a local directory but can't figure out if apt or synaptic ir aptitude can use them and they are in my local machine!!!!
11:50<PovAddict>do not install .deb packages by hand, use apt
11:51<PovAddict>and you certainly don't need every .deb file in that ... internal mirror directory you happened to find
11:51<skypuppy>yes, I understand that. I need THESE drivers: nvidia-driver_352.63-1_amd64.deb and they are not being found by apt
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11:52<dvs>skypuppy: Because your sources.list is not set up properly
11:53<skypuppy>deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free <---- is the line in sources.list that has the non-free
11:53<PovAddict>nvidia-driver is a meta-package that just installs other packages, such as the nvidia-kernel-* I mentioned before
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11:53<PovAddict>"and they are not being found by apt"
11:53<PovAddict>what happens when you run "apt-get install nvidia-driver"?
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11:53<dvs>skypuppy: You have to do an "apt-get update" after you change the sources.list file
11:53<PovAddict>dvs: [13:44] <skypuppy> I have run 'update' a zillion times
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11:54<dvs>Oh, that's a bit worrisome: both ftp.us.debian.org and httpreder.debian.org is in the sources.list
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11:55<skypuppy>povaddict, it shows several subpackages but some of them are for 386 and not amd64
11:55<PovAddict>"shows"?
11:55<PovAddict>I said install, not search
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11:56<skypuppy>Yes, I DID "install" but I have not approved their installation
11:56<PovAddict>then why are you saying they are "not found"?
11:56<PovAddict>or worrying about sources.list? it's obvious the packages are being seen by apt
11:56<sherstobitov>Hello! When will be available 8.3 iso?
11:56<skypuppy>because nothing is said about the 352.63 version which is the only one that works with gtx960
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11:57<PovAddict>sure, jessie has 340.96
11:57<PovAddict>even debian unstable has 349.16
11:57<skypuppy>349.96 crashes the xwindow system and the module will not load
11:57<skypuppy>er, 340.96
11:57<dvs>sherstobitov: I'd wait a day.
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11:58<sherstobitov>thanks
11:58<skypuppy>but the packages are already on the debian server, just in a different place
11:58<PovAddict>"different place"?
11:58<PovAddict>different than what?
11:58<dvs>different release
11:58<PovAddict><PovAddict> *all* packages in debian are in "pool"
11:58<skypuppy>see posted link above in "pool..."
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11:59<dvs>,v nvidia-graphics-drivers
11:59<judd>No package named 'nvidia-graphics-drivers' was found in amd64.
11:59<skypuppy>http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/?C=M;O=A
11:59<PovAddict>you could have asked since the beginning that you want to install nvidia-driver 352.63, instead of asking about "get packages from the pool", whatever that means
11:59<PovAddict>352.63 is in debian experimental
11:59<PovAddict>or will be
12:00<skypuppy>I DID ASK IN THE BEGINNING
12:00<PovAddict><skypuppy> what line do I use in sousrces.list to get them from the pool?
12:00<PovAddict>^ nonsense question
12:00<skypuppy>It was just all not on the same line
12:00<PovAddict>all packages are gotten from the pool (as the Package lists point), because that's where all packages are
12:01<skypuppy>What line do I put in sources.list to get "experimental" packages, please?
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12:01<skypuppy>If you click on the link I posted, you should see the packages I need.
12:01<PovAddict>hm packages.debian.org is not giving me what I want
12:01<PovAddict>skypuppy: the link you posted has all versions
12:02<skypuppy>and of those I should be able to get the amd64 and version 352.63, should I not?
12:02<PovAddict>I'm checking
12:02<PovAddict>it seems not
12:03<PovAddict>because the package was uploaded just today and the package list for experimental hasn't been updated yet
12:03<PovAddict>[14:01] <skypuppy> What line do I put in sources.list to get "experimental" packages, please?
12:03<skypuppy>I was able to download the desired files to my local machine, so how do I get apt to cooperate?
12:03<PovAddict>same line as you have, replace 'jessie' with 'experimental'
12:03<PovAddict>apt works with package lists, not with .deb files
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12:04<PovAddict>you can manually install a .deb file using 'dpkg -i', but then you become the human dependency solver
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12:07<skypuppy>"human dependency solver" is an endless series of problems to trace and correct. <sigh>
12:07<PovAddict>then wait for the package to arrive to experimental in a few hours
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12:12<skypuppy>@povaddict, the 352 versions are there on the debian servers but not available to apt? That is very strange.
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12:13<PovAddict>maybe http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/experimental/non-free/binary-amd64/ didn't refresh yet
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12:14<skypuppy>there is no way to apt-get from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/?C=M;O=A
12:15<skypuppy>?
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12:15<k>Maybe he should try the backports to avoid sid sources...
12:15<PovAddict>skypuppy: apt-get works with Packages files
12:15<skypuppy>all the files at that linke are .deb, which implies to me that they are packages. Not true?
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12:19<markybob>skypuppy, you're asking in the wrong place, btw. anything other than stable is in #debian-next
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12:21<skypuppy>@markybob, then where do I ask???
12:21<markybob>skypuppy, i told you. #debian-next
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12:22<skypuppy>is that a chat channel?
12:22<markybob>skypuppy, yes
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12:23<skypuppy>thanks. will try that. <sigh>
12:23<markybob>that's how i feel
12:23<skypuppy>how do I get from here to there?
12:23<markybob>skypuppy, type /j #debian-next
12:26<sherstobitov>quit bye
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12:28<bremner>markybob: isn't it a question about backporting to jessie?
12:28<Rinpoo>whats the best chat for server related questions?
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12:30<Rinpoo>like what email program to use for fail2ban reports
12:30<markybob>bremner, when you start talking about experimental i feel it's outside the realm. he got his answer in #debian-next anyway
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12:30<bremner>ok
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12:33<Rinpoo>is there a good email software that alerts important emails with a red blinking popup and sound?
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12:37<lambda-11235>When reading https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en it says to use cp, but wouldn't dd be more appropriate?
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12:43<bradok>Rinpoo: i like sylpheed or aptitude search mail
12:43<markybob>lambda-11235, no. it does the exact same thing
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12:51<Rinpoo>thx Ill check them out
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12:56<Natureshadow>When a mailing list is maintainer of a package, which sender addresse should be whitelisted?
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12:56<Rinpoo>they seem like nice clients bu
12:56<Rinpoo>but
12:56<Natureshadow>Answers I found online range from owner@bugs.debian.org to *@*.debian.org
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12:57<Rinpoo>Im looking more for something like an adminstrator email alerter or something
12:57<markybob>Natureshadow, you never should. use reportbug. otherwise is just annoying
12:57<markybob>Natureshadow, oh, i think i misunderstand. english is not my first language
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13:07<bradok>Rinpoo: maybe monitoring sys. look aptitude show nagios3
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13:09<bremner>Natureshadow: that'll probably get more helpful answers on #debian-mentors
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13:17<Rinpoo>nagios3 seems to be on the server side, I need something that notifies me on the client side
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13:18<Rinpoo>but not just the standard notification I need something that goes on top and blinks red and plays a soundfile
13:18<Rinpoo>or similar
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13:18<Rinpoo>otherwise I might miss the breach
13:19<Rinpoo>maybe there is some plugin for an existing mail client?
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13:21<markybob>Rinpoo, https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-received-notification.html.en
13:21<markybob>Rinpoo, how are you getting notified of a breach, anyway?
13:22<Rinpoo>fail2ban/psad
13:22<markybob>heh
13:22<markybob>okay
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13:23<markybob>so you're not getting notified of any breaches.
13:23<Rinpoo>well at least brute force attempts
13:24<markybob>it's also really dumb. disable ssh logins and use keys
13:24<markybob>we all get login attempts. a lot. getting an email for them is silly
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13:25<Rinpoo>I see
13:25<bremner>s/ssh logins/ssh password logins/
13:25<Rinpoo>well Im pretty new to this
13:25<Rinpoo>not using ssh anyway its disabled
13:25<Rinpoo>can admin the server locally
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13:29<Rinpoo>any suggestion what else I should use to harden deb?
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13:32<fixi>hey everyone!
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13:37<karol>hello
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13:42<chaos__>im stuck in a dilemma can anyone tell me how i get newer packages in stable. Because ive tryed to install testing but that didnt turn out so well fglrx is broken in there as well. Im trying to switch from ubuntu but i do need some newer packages. Can i use ppas for like simple things as well?
13:43<bremner>!backports
13:43<chaos__>also is fglrx working correctly in stable?
13:43<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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13:43<ammar>backports +1
13:44<bremner>dunno about fglrx, happy radeon-user / non-gamer here.
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13:46<chaos__>ok so i just enable that and some newer packages are updated? and i only need fglrx because other wise my 3 monitors dont work and resolutions arent that great on one. Plus i do steam game. ive spent the last 3 days trying to get testing to work so now im gonna try stable i was hoping someone had some insight on the driver situation on stable.
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13:47<bremner>,v fglrx-driver
13:47<judd>Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 1:12-3-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2~bpo70+1; jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.9-3~bpo8+1; jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 1:15.9-4; sid/non-free: 1:15.12-2
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13:48<bremner>it looks like the version in stable is newer(!) than backports already
13:49<chaos__>well thats good but my problem is it wouldnt install itd fail and leave me with no display just black screen. they said it was because the kernal was newer on testing.
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13:49<bremner>chaos__: basically the version is the same in testing and stable
13:49<bremner>that's all I know...
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13:50<chaos__>thank you for your help im trying to search for what kernel is in stable right now because if its 4.2 then it should work from what i read just now.
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13:50<bremner>no, you'll need a kernel from backports
13:51<bremner>,v linux-image-amd64
13:51<judd>Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.3+70~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.3+70; sid: 4.3+70
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13:51<Is1>hi
13:51<bremner>backports has a 4.3 kernel
13:52<chaos__>ok that was the one that had issues with the driver its seems 3.16 is in stable that should be fine
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13:53<chaos__>thank you for your help i just didnt want to go through another install and everything mess up again lol
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13:54<Foffa>What browser would u recommend chromuim or chrome
13:55<Foffa>And what the dfrnt
13:55<bremner>chromium is free software (more or less) and in debian. chrome is proprietary software available from google.
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13:56<bremner>I suppose it has some extra features, I don't know what they are.
13:56<ammar>Foffa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser%29
13:56<bremner>Foffa: I'd start with chromium (or iceweasel) unless you need chrome for a specific website
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13:57<Foffa>bremner, both same performance
13:57<Foffa>?
13:57<bremner>probably. no real idea.
13:57<jeep>Foffa: not a noticable difference
13:59<jeep>Foffa: i compiled chromium myself while back and it made a big speed difference if you can i suggest it
13:59<jeep>*can compile
13:59<bremner>o.O
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14:08<chaos__>how do i get hard drives to act like they do on ubuntu? By that i mean i dont have them auto-mounting and i can just click them with out a password in kde. i know it has something to do with polkit
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14:12<Foffa>Jeep, thanks
14:13<Foffa>bremner, thanks
14:14<iper>ajlsdhf
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14:16<Is>how can i use my wifi broadcom from liveusb of kalilinux__
14:16<bremner>!kali
14:16<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
14:17<Foffa>!debian
14:17<dpkg>from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
14:17<ammar>chaos__: dont know ubunu, but /etc/fstab might help?
14:17<Foffa>!bremner :)
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14:18<Is>bremner i know what kali linux is... did u understand my question?? im not very skill with english
14:18<towo`>Is, wrong channel for kali
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14:19<bremner>Is: I understood your question, and told you the right place to ask it.
14:19<lambda-11235>chaos__: Many file managers do that for you. I know that thunar and krusador do this.
14:19<Is>ah ok.. thank u
14:19<Is>sorry for that
14:19<Is>(how can i connect to that chat of kali???)
14:20<chaos__>well it asks me for a password at the moment i had sixd it the last time i did a install but it was something to do with polkit config
14:20<Is>did it... thank u, bie
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14:22<lambda-11235>chaos__: Odd, on my system I can mount to /media/username without a password. I would like to now how to do that from the command line, though.
14:24<ammar>!mount
14:24<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem. `man 8 mount`. See also <reference>, <fstab>.
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14:25<lambda-11235>chaos__: See udisks, I think that's what your looking for.
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14:29<lambda-11235>You should be able to mount to /media/username without root privileges from what I've read here http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/96625/allow-non-superusers-to-mount-any-filesystem.
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14:32<chaos__>ok ill look into that i was sure it was a permision in the polkit config though.
14:32<chaos__>thank you guys
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15:03<chaos__>i know you know poor little troll
15:03<storge>?
15:04<chaos__>whoops wrong screen lol sorry
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15:23<Zupo>hi
15:23<Zupo>i cannot access cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/bt-dvd/
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15:25<cra1g321>Zupo change it to 8.3
15:25<cra1g321>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/bt-dvd/
15:26<cra1g321>8.3 got released on saturday :)
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15:27<thanatonpatisas> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ THX for the link :)
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15:34<K-202>Hi. How to check if I'm running safe mode? I could see what was loading on bootup like in sysvinit instead of black screen, everything is working faster (UI responsing more quickly), better sound quality,
15:34<K-202>and my laptop seems to heat faster
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16:20<rqou>dumb question: how do I make alt+f4 close windows? google seems to either think it already works or assumes debian == ubuntu
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16:20<towo`>depemds on the DE you use
16:21<towo`>s/m/n
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16:21<rqou>I'm using awesome wm + GNOME
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16:22<towo`>in plain gnome it's standard i think, even in kde, cinnamon, xfce and mate
16:23<towo`>so i would think, it's awesome
16:23<rqou>for some reason it seems to be ctrl+q for me
16:23<towo`>maybe you can set a shortkey for it, i never used awesome
16:23<rqou>and I can't figure out where it was set
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16:45<chaos_>hello is there any apps like muon for stable i can seem to get it to install. i just like the update notifier and app.
16:46<chaos_>im using kde to by the way
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16:47<jshreffl>if it isn't too much of a bother, what is muon?
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16:48<rqou>two questions: How do I install an ICC profile? I currently get "Unable to detect any devices that can be color managed." Second question: How do I get the "Do not suspend laptop if plugged in" behavior that ubuntu has?
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16:50<chaos_>muon is a update application and software center. Kind of like synaptic with a update notifier apper i think was what it used to be befroe it was changed. i just like the window that shows all the updates when notified. its in testing but it requires things that arent in stable.
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16:50<jshreffl>I'm having an issue getting undelete to work in mount options for a udf or microsoft live file system disk. Any ideas where I would go short of actually analyzing the source code?
16:52<jshreffl>chaos, are you looking for a specific functionality?
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16:53<alumno>e
16:53<alumno>eee
16:53<alumno>puto
16:53<alumno>puto5
16:53<alumno>lololol
16:53<jshreffl>I'm a bit thrown off by how poor Google results are now for finding technical questions...
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16:53<alumno>5hut up bitch
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16:53<chaos_>i mean i use synaptic for installing software so i dont want that i just want to be notified there are updates. And also have a list of updates when i click the icon on the task bar. What muon does is just that it opens a window displaying all the updates and notifies me.
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16:54<a12345>hello, is there a linux application where I can search all the pdf in the folder for a particular word(s)? I have used pdfgrep in the past but it can be rather clunky at times. Acroread used to have this capability but it is no longer supported.
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16:57<jshreffl>a12345, I think Beagle has a pdf search option. I don't know if it is helpful. I would be concerned about extraneous spaces in ocr files myself...
16:58<a12345>jshreffl, thanks I will check it out.
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17:02<jshreffl>I was actually surprised to learn today that UDF has the capability to write multiple versions of a file to a single disk. But I have no idea how to access this in linux... vista uses a context meny option called "close session" as part of its implementation, microsoft live file system.
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17:03<jshreffl>rqou, what desktop environment are you in?
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17:05<jshreffl>mount -t udf -o unhide,undelete /dev/sr0 /media/cd #just seems to lead to bugs
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17:06<rqou>I'm running a mix of GNOME + awesome WM
17:06<jshreffl>rqou, what desktop environment are you in?
17:06<jshreffl>ok
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17:06<rqou>Also, I'm having trouble getting pm-utils /etc/pm/power.d to work
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17:09<jshreffl>rqou, maybe try #aptitude install gnome-color-manager
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17:09<rqou>already installed
17:09<jshreffl>oops
17:10<jshreffl>what is your video board/chip model?
17:11<rqou>intel integrated graphics
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17:14<jshreffl>rqou, I would start by getting the actual Display model info off ofrom the lshw utility
17:15<jshreffl>and maybe look into whether the Intel proprietary driver, if there is one, changes things with ICC
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17:15<rqou>lshw: http://paste.debian.net/367704/
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17:19<markybob>rqou, try firmware-misc-nonfree and reboot
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17:21<rqou>nope, still doesn't detect anything that can be color managed
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17:23<chaos_>can anyone tell me how to run amdcccle as root i ge this error. amdcccle: cannot connect to X server :0
17:24<rqou>meanwhile, for the pm-utils problem, installing acpi-support didn't fix that either
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17:30<jshreffl>rqou, do you get the error message if you do gcm-viewer?
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17:31<rqou>gcm-viewer shows a list of profiles
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17:31<rqou>so, no error
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17:34<jshreffl>I'm ignorant concerning ICC, but I would guess that gcm-viewer has to either pull color data from the hardware or else make assumptions about it.
17:34<jshreffl>so the fact that we have no error is probably helpful for the troubleshooting
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17:45<jshreffl>rqou, do you have a usb colorimeter?
17:45<rqou>no
17:46<rqou>i'm using an icc ripped out of the os x data
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17:48<jshreffl>I'm ignorant of ICC generally. How bad is it to not have the right ICC profile?
17:48<jshreffl>Would the goal be to get a match between printout and your screen, or between one screen and another?
17:48<rqou>on this screen, not too bad
17:48<rqou>but it worked on ubuntu
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17:52<jshreffl>I'm not a gnome user generally. What is the proper way to reproduce your error, if I can? Do I load an ICC profile from gnome-control-center?
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17:55<rqou>i can't even load an icc profile
17:55<rqou>I open gnome-control-center
17:55<rqou>select color, and get an error that it didn't detect any devices
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17:57<jshreffl>it seems like chatzilla has a disconnect bug
17:58<jshreffl>rqou, what happens if you do $colormgr get-devices ??
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17:58<rqou>no bug, I'm logging out/rebooting to test other stuff
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17:58<rqou>if i run just GNOME, it works
17:58<rqou>so GNOME + awesome WM is breaking it
17:59<rqou>under awesome WM colormgr get-devices prints nothing
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18:01<rqou>yet another issue now is that I can't get lxc to work
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18:03<K-202>Hi again. When I run "top", I can see some processes have "rt" priority (realtime?) but when I set priority to my program and SCHED_FIFO, it's not marked as "rt" but has priority -51
18:07<jshreffl>rqou, did you have Awesome in Ubuntu?
18:08<rqou>I did
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18:10<jshreffl>well, that really sounds like a debian bug, doesn't it?
18:10<rqou>I have no idea
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18:10<rqou>I was previously on EOL ubuntu 14.10
18:11<rqou>and ubuntu has its own set of hacks
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18:12<jshreffl>so maybe ubuntu 15.10 would have the same bug
18:13<rqou>this is why I stopped updating my ubuntu
18:13<rqou>because every time I did some random stuff would break
18:13<rqou>and i just discovered that "suspend on lid close" isn't working at all on debian
18:15<rqou>and google keeps insisting that debian is ubuntu
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18:15<jshreffl>my experience has been that debian is more stable
18:16<rqou>that's what i'm hoping
18:16<rqou>which is why i'm currently trying to do one giant set of "fix ALL THE THINGS"
18:16<jshreffl>but you have to work around some problems
18:17<jshreffl>chroot and debbootstrap are a must for software upgrade testing
18:17<jshreffl>it stops breakage
18:17<jshreffl>and eases migration
18:18<rqou>i installed debian into a new btrfs subvolume
18:18<rqou>so worst case i will roll back
18:20<jshreffl>is that like fossil?
18:20<rqou>don't know, never heard of fossil
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18:22<jshreffl>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_%28file_system%29
18:24<rqou>something like that, yes
18:24<rqou>awesome, google says that suspend on lid close should automagically work, but somehow it doesn't
18:24<rqou>going to try asking #awesome
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18:31<jshreffl>I'm having an issue getting undelete to work in mount options for a udf or microsoft live file system disk. Any ideas where I would go short of actually analyzing the source code?
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18:33<rqou>Does anyone know how to make lxc work without having to always do the cgm create/chown/movepid thing
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18:35<jshreffl>is this channel logged anywhere?
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18:40<markybob>jshreffl, yes. /topic
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18:41<markybob>jshreffl, plus a lot of us log it personally. i do
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18:42<jshreffl>what does "/msg dpkg irclog" do?
18:42<markybob>!irclog
18:42<dpkg>somebody said irclog was #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/
18:42<markybob>that
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18:43<jshreffl>is dpkg a bot named after the utility? that seems a bit perplexing
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18:44<markybob>yeah. go to utility
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18:45<rqou_mobile>so something I did seems to now be causing a hang on shutdown
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18:51<jshreffl>has anyone had success using xen with video acceleration for windows?
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18:53<rqou>unfortunately, I'm having a bit too much "not work" for now. I've rolled back to ubuntu. At least btrfs works I guess?
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18:56<K-202>I'm on Intel Core i3 2.26 GHz, 4 GB RAM and LibreOffice is unusable for big data. Especially making plots. It crashed and the "crash window" has frozen :D
18:57<K-202>Consider preinstalling other office suite because higher LO version = more regressins
18:57<jshreffl>that doesnt surprise me
18:57<jshreffl>is it large numbers or a large number of points?
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19:02<K-202>jshreffl, I'm using version 5.0.4.2
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19:04<K-202>try to copy plot to another spreadsheet and change data series - seems impossible; try to copy text data from one table to another - seems impossible; it can crash when it wants to crash and that is UNproductivity suite
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19:04<K-202>3 days lost for struggling with LO crashes, slowness and workarounds of simple tasks
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19:05<K-202>why not to join forces (OO + LO) if two of them are free suites?
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19:06<bremner>K-202: this doesn't seem to have much to do with Debian.
19:06<K-202>bremner, it has to do that LO is preinstalled
19:07<jshreffl>was the LO versus OO thing a legal dispute?
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19:09<K-202>jshreffl, They can adjust licenses and merge two projects. It's better to develop and fix bugs in one large project than 2 concurrent.
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19:10<jshreffl>do you suppose that Apache OO has the same bugs you ran into?
19:11<bremner>K-202: nobody forces you to install any office suite on Debian. I guess it's recommended by Gnome or something.
19:12<K-202>jshreffl, I haven't tested OO on Linux. I used OO on Windows (~2 years ago) and it seems more stable.
19:12<K-202>but it had more issues with formatting (after reopening document images could change their page, position, etc)
19:13<bremner>K-202: perhaps you should stick to the version of LO instable if you like the version from backports worse.
19:13<jshreffl>I know one thing I really hate about OO is that I can't rotate a png in writer.
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20:15<Insigne>Hello, I am experiencing the exact same issue described here http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/204371/debian-error-message-unable-to-find-lvm-volume-but-then-boots-successfully is there any way to make Debian ask for my encrypted device passphrase before trying to activate the LVM VG?
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20:16<stylez>hi
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20:18<Insigne>Hi
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20:21<imathemad>hello
20:22<imathemad>i need helppp
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20:25<imathemad>my sound card is not being detected by debian
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20:27<Arcade>what kind of sound card imathemad
20:28<nevyn>imathemad: the output of alsa-info.sh would be helpful
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20:31<imathemad>the sound card's name is amd/ati lenovo kabini
20:35<Arcade>does lspci or lsusb show it imathemad ? its like nevyn said we need more information
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20:36<imathemad>yeah i already wrote that command
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20:36<imathemad>but unfortunately i can't get more information
20:37<imathemad>FHC azalia controller
20:37<imathemad>another information about sound card
20:38<imathemad>that's it!!
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20:39<Arcade>is the sound card part of the laptop mobo or is it something like a hdmi video and audio device
20:40<imathemad>part of the laptop
20:40<imathemad>before it worked
20:40<imathemad>i don't know why it is not working anymore
20:40<Arcade>did it work before updating this weekend to debian 8.3?
20:41<imathemad>yeah
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20:42<Arcade>interesting I wonder if the new kernel messed it up
20:42<nevyn>alsa-info.sh there are way too many possibilities
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20:44<nevyn>pulseaudio has a null sink, the codec detection went screwwy you havn't turned up the right controls...
20:45<imathemad>so what should i do?
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20:45<imathemad>i tried that commands but the output is always the same
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20:45<imathemad>always the same informations about the sound card
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20:46<imathemad>those*
20:46<imathemad>i'm italian sorryy
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20:48<bremner>!it
20:48<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
20:48<bremner>I mean, you don't have to, but maybe someone there can help more easily?
20:49<imathemad>for me it is the same
20:49<imathemad>thanks
20:49<imathemad>i will try to ask them anyway
20:51<imathemad>ah but here it's 2.50am and people are sleeping hahaah so they won't answer me i guess
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20:51<bremner>good point.
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20:54<Arcade>imathemad, I assume your using gnome-shell? When you click on your gnome settings and hit sound does the device show up?
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20:58<imathemad>mmmm no
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20:58<imathemad>mmmm no it doesn't show up
20:59<xtritec>Question for anyone, I just installed Debian 8 and there is a pink line on the left side of my screen
20:59<imathemad>at least not anymore
20:59<Arcade>I assume imathemad that #lspci shows the card?
21:00<xtritec>yes
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21:01<imathemad>yeah it does.... but the only outpout i get is: audio device: advanced micro devices inc amt/ati kabini hdmi/dp audio
21:01<imathemad>and
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21:02<imathemad>audio device: advanced micro devices inc amd fch azalia controller rev 02
21:02<imathemad>that's it
21:02<imathemad>amd*
21:03<Arcade>ok so it looks like the card is there its just that pulseaudio does not see it
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21:03<imathemad>yeah maybe the updated messed it up
21:03<imathemad>but it's strange isn't it
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21:04<nevyn>imathemad: did you upload the alsa-info.sh result?
21:05<imathemad>no i answered no to that question
21:05<imathemad>im gonna upload
21:05<nevyn>please upload and paste the url here.
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21:06<imathemad>okkk
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21:09<imathemad>http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=b41f028e4d28862fb3ca801d31e33320d9ecce28
21:12<nevyn>imathemad: pactl stat should show the default sink being hdmi (that's probably not what you want)
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21:12<nevyn>add the following to /etc/modules.conf.d/alsa-base.conf
21:13<nevyn>options snd_hda_intel index=0,1 id=Generic,HDMI
21:13<nevyn>imathemad: and reboot
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21:15<imathemad>is that an empty page?
21:17<nevyn>imathemad: it doesn't matter if it is.. but there should be an existing set of options
21:17<nevyn>imathemad: as long as the directory is right
21:18<imathemad>there are not set of options
21:19<imathemad>and it says that the directory is wront
21:19<imathemad>wrong*
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21:21<nevyn>imathemad: ls /etc/module*
21:21<nevyn>imathemad: it should be obvious
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21:21<nevyn>the right file should be reasonably obvious
21:22<imathemad>always empty
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21:23<nevyn>oh modprobe.d?
21:23<nevyn>imathemad: /etc/modprobe.d/alsasomething
21:23<imathemad>hey!!! Datti una calmata... nevyn [rED-mIRC]ClassicEdition
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21:25<imathemad>nothing
21:25<nevyn>nothing?
21:25<nevyn>no /etc/modprobe.d ?
21:25<imathemad>no always empty pages
21:25<imathemad>no
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21:26<nevyn>ok ls /etc/modprobe.d returns niente?
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21:27<Arcade>#cd /etc/modprobe.d/ && nano alsa-base.conf
21:27<imathemad>hahahah yes returns niente....
21:27<imathemad>mdprobe.d is a directory
21:27<Arcade>yup
21:27<nevyn>yes
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21:31<imathemad>always an empty page
21:31<imathemad>uffaaa
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21:31<chaos_>hello im having serious mic static and cant figure it out im using kde
21:32<nevyn>imathemad: it doesnt' matter. you can make a file in that directory and put that line in it
21:32<nevyn>modprobe will do the right thing
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21:32<imathemad>va bene i'll try
21:32<imathemad>okk*
21:32<nevyn>io capito va bene
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21:33<imathemad>wow how come? do you know any italian??
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21:35<nevyn>un po
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21:38<imathemad>ahh very goodd!!
21:40<imathemad>i got to go know thank you so much guys i'll to add that line tomorrow!!
21:40<imathemad>ciaoooooo
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23:42<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I would like to know if there is any software included in official Debian repositories that can replace 'Cinelerra', an video editor
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23:43<nevyn>R4F_Debian: why do you need to replace it?
23:43<themill>R4F_Debian: kdenlive
23:43<R4F_Debian>Hi nevyn. do you know 'Cinelerra', an video editor ?
23:43<R4F_Debian>Hi themill
23:44<R4F_Debian>is kdenlive included in the official repository ?
23:44<themill>nevyn: cinelerra isn't in the debian archive
23:44<themill>yes
23:44<nevyn>R4F_Debian: and replacing that is a pretty tall order
23:44<R4F_Debian>yes, themill, I know about cinelerra, it is not included in the debian repo, for it seems it is contains components non-free
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23:45<themill>I know.
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23:45<twb>How come vlc in jessie-security is older than vlc in jessie?
23:45<themill>twb: point release
23:45<R4F_Debian>installing kdenlive here
23:45<twb>Hm, I thought point releases only fixed critical security & data loss bugs
23:46<themill>no, that's stable/updates
23:46<twb>So point releaes just get new versions of random stuf?
23:46<R4F_Debian>apt-get install kdenlive - it is going fine here
23:46<themill>No, point releases can get other non-urgent security fixes and other important or serious bugs fixed.
23:47<twb>OK
23:47<themill>(it has a changelog)
23:47<R4F_Debian>thanks for support and attention, nevyn and themill !
23:47<R4F_Debian>Nice to see you here ! Bye !
23:48<twb>Yeah I saw the changelogs, but I ignored them because I assumed they were only the data loss issues I was already applying each day via unattended-upgrades
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