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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-01-26

---Logopened Tue Jan 26 00:00:21 2016
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00:21<Foffa>markybob, sleep! What is that?! :D
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01:32<moffitt>Does anybody know what happened to libwine-gecko-2.40:i386?
01:32<moffitt>I'm entirely unable to install Wine32
01:32<moffitt>A week ago I was able to without issues
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02:15<ahmad>hi
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06:16<ronald>hello to all of you!!
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06:17<ankush>anyone there/
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06:52<dka>Need help with network configuration
06:53<dka>Class B network
06:53<dka>class C address
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06:53<grove>!tell dka about ask
06:54<duclicsic>dka: can't really stick around here, but classful networking is a thing of the past. it is not relevant any more.
06:54<grove>And forget about class a/b/c(/d/e)
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06:54<dka>ok
06:54<dka>let me ask again then
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06:56<dka>I have two subnet, Subnet A 172.16.0.0/22 and Subnet B 172.16.4.0/22, Subnet A is a vLan network, Subnet B is a Tinc Network, I need help configuring the link between these two subnet from A1 to B1. (Please note : A1 is vLan 172.16.0.1/22 + Tinc VPN network 172.16.4.1 / B1 is Tinc VPN network 172.16.4.2) I mostly need help with iptables rules and ip forward
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06:57<duclicsic>dka: i told you yesterday how to enable ip forwarding
06:58<dka>I did
06:58<dka>and I read lots of documentation
06:58<dka>I had to reinstall everything last night
06:58<dka>i am trying again and again
06:58<dka>and also, i have all our conversation in a notepad
06:58<dka>:]
06:58<duclicsic>ok well i'm off to lunch soon, so won't have long
06:59<dka>"<duclicsic> it would be 'ip route add default via 172.16.1.2 dev tun0'
06:59<dka>"
06:59<dka>see
06:59<duclicsic>hmm
06:59<dka>Ok
06:59<dka>well if you have some time
06:59<dka>today or this week
06:59<dka>i will be glad to help you on my turn
07:00<dka>i do web app development if you need some help, network is not really my stuff but I have to setup my own architecture stil
07:00<duclicsic>dka: if you find that you need specific help with iptables, i would suggest visiting #netfilter on freenode
07:01<duclicsic>it's cool, i don't need any apps developing at the moment :)
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07:01<dka>i have tried to read the link on iptables2 you gave me
07:01<dka>it look way more complexe than the iptables wrapper
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07:01<duclicsic>iproute2?
07:02<dka>so I have tried with iptables stuff like "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s 192.168.4.2 -p tcp --dport 8301 -j DNAT --to-destination 172.16.0.1:8301"
07:02<dka>http://www.lartc.org/howto/
07:02<dka>iproute2 i meant
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07:03<duclicsic>ok but that iptables rule is for performing destination nat or 'port forwarding'. the issue you described yesterday was about permitting things on one end of the vpn to access the other, but restricting it on the other directionm
07:03<duclicsic>i mentioned at the time that for this you should read about the iptables module called 'conntrack' and the use of the --ctstate argument
07:04<duclicsic>if you're on a debian based system the docs are in 'man iptables-extensions' though it might just be in the iptables man page on other distros
07:04<dka>is it lame if after reading a lot's of article I still don't really understand how it really works ?
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07:05<dka>they should have some examples test case for learning these rules
07:06<duclicsic>iptables is mind-bogglingly simple in principal. for each packet that hits the chain, just evaluate whether the first rule matches that packet, if not go to the second rule, etc. if it does match, perform the action specified by -j
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07:06<jm_>have you read iptables tutorial?
07:07<duclicsic>dka: you're likely going to continue having difficulty in understanding it until you improve your general understanding of networking
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07:08<duclicsic>i don't think this is something we can help you with here in IRC
07:08<dka>:'(
07:08<duclicsic>if you understood what i was telling you about routing yesterday you're on to a good start
07:08<dka>man
07:08<dka>I just want to learn
07:08<dka>I know it's better to do it your self
07:08<duclicsic>dka: the only way is to do it yourself
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07:09<dka>ok
07:09<dka>I can read as much doc i want
07:09<duclicsic>i can't dump years of experience in ip networking into an irc channel for you to absorb
07:09<dka>If i have no way to test it
07:09<dka>there is no chance to get it
07:10<duclicsic>dka: there is a nice application called gns3 for building virtualized networks
07:10<duclicsic>you can test all kinds
07:10<dka>I will test it
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08:04<imathemad>hello
08:04<imathemad>!it
08:04<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:06<bella>HELO
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08:07<imathemad>can you help me to install the correct drivers for amd/ati radeon hd 8280 r3 series?
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08:07<grove>!radeon
08:07<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
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08:08<grove>!fglrx
08:08<dpkg>fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>. This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop of Debian 8 "Jessie" due to lack of EGL support (ref. §5.11 <jessie release notes>), use the <radeon> driver instead.
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08:08<imathemad>last time i followed that tutorial i got a black screen of death after restarting the OS
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08:30<Celelibi>Hm.
08:31<Celelibi>Why is the default keyboard layout in console no longer "fr"?
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08:35<dysfi>Celelibi: don't know, but you can change it: https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard
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08:40<Celelibi>It's not the X keyboard layout that is wrong, it's the system one.
08:40<Celelibi>In tty.
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08:44<Celelibi>What became loadkeys?
08:44<grove>Isn't the keyboard layout mostly set to what ever you select during installtion?
08:45<Celelibi>Hm... Looks like I have an ancient package console-tools that no longer exists. loadkeys is now provided by kbd.
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09:37<fae>Suppose a package p1 (running a service) has a command to update itself (aka call 'apt-get update && apt-get install p1'). This fails, because apt stops the service during upgrade, which in turn stops the children. Is there a beter way to do this?
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09:39<duclicsic>fae: look at these packages: unattended-upgrades and cron-apt
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09:44<fae>duclicsic: thanks
09:45<ihatetabs>i'm not sure if this is a debian issue or not, I've created a new user, when I log in I am unable to tab complete directories/filesnames or backspace, tab actually tabs 8 spaces. When I'm in as root it works fine, anyone know whats happening?
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09:55<grove>ihatetabs: I doubt that's debian specific, but if it's on a debian system, I'll say it's relevant for the channel. My only suggesion (right now at least) is that it might be related to shells. Which shell(s) do you use, and does root have more customised configuration for his shell?
09:56<ihatetabs>got it to work, not sure what hapened
09:56<ihatetabs>chsh -s /bin/bash then relogged
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10:41<stacole>hi,
10:42<stacole>como puedo instalar EASE para presentaciones en debian 8.2 con KDE?
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10:42<stacole>Alguien me puede ayudar, es urgente. :(
10:42<grove>!es
10:42<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
10:43<stacole>dpkg, gracias
10:43<dpkg>i heard gracias is thank you
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10:44<grove>Since 8.3 is out somebody should update the topic
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11:24<winsen1>hi all
11:25<winsen1>can you please tell what are best brain trainer and how can I download luminosity? thanks
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11:26<markybob>brain trainer? heh. https://www.khanacademy.org/
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11:39<dakota>cheers
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12:00<multithread>I'm back guys
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12:04<R4F_Debian>Hi all, which command I use to verify what is my Debian version, please ?
12:05<blast007>cat /etc/debian_version
12:06<blast007>lsb_release -a
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12:06<R4F_Debian>Hi blast007, thank you !
12:06<multithread>John awsome
12:06<multithread>I meant blast*
12:07<multithread>guys who program in c# ?
12:07<blast007>multithread: do you have a specific question?
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12:08<multithread>I'm working on a project that involves bio-metric fingerprint reader. Which library and device are the best to be use ?
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12:18<R4F_Debian>blast007, LSB is the networking service in debian ? Suppose it does not start when I boot the system (it is not the case, here is running perfectly), how do I start manually this LSB networking service ?
12:18<blast007>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base
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12:19<R4F_Debian>is that for me this information, at wikipedia ? wiki/Linux_Standard_Base ?
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12:19<blast007>I don't know if that will be a thing in the future, because as mentioned there, Debian's effort to comply with LSB ceased in July 2015.
12:20<R4F_Debian>is that a service that has replaced to other ?
12:20<R4F_Debian>by other, sorry
12:21<blast007>it's not a service
12:21<R4F_Debian>no, is not related to network also ?
12:21<blast007>no
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12:22<foffa_>[1] How to edit context menu?
12:23<R4F_Debian>I see, blast007
12:23<foffa_>[2] how to update Intel integrated VGA
12:23<R4F_Debian>ok, thanks a lot for your attention and support, blast007. Very nice to see you here
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12:40<jhutchins>foffa_: [2] Unsolder ICs, replace?
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12:42<grove>foffa_: Which context menu?
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12:45<foffa_>grove, the right click menu
12:47<grove>foffa_: When you right click on what?
12:47<foffa_>grove, i want to add [gedit] into right click menu
12:47<foffa_>on mouse :D
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12:47<foffa_>on desktop
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12:48<grove>foffa_: What desktop environment do you use?
12:48<foffa_>grove, gnome 3
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12:51<MeatHammer>where are OpenVPN config files stored?
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13:16<petn-randall>MeatHammer: If you wrote them yourself, usually in /etc/openvpn/ somewhere. If you're using network-manager, I don't know from the top of my head where it puts the config.
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13:27<k>MeatHammer, you may try whereis openvn
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13:38<respawn>good evening
13:39<jdjdjdjdjdjd>Hi. Is this the right place for support questions?
13:39<k>!ask
13:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:42<jdjdjdjdjdjd>Alright. Im on 8 netinstall with full gnome. I cant find a way to enable automatic checking for updates, downloading them and notifying me. Theres /etc/cron.daily/apt but it lacks notifying feature. On ubuntu theres a simple script running at the end of cron triggering update-notifier, but its deprecated by gnome-packagekit and i cant seem to find any way to solve this wirh gnome-packagekit.
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13:43<lostatwork>last time I ran Gnome on Jessie it had the updater and applet in it
13:43<lostatwork>I would get a message in the notification area that there was updates
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13:44<jdjdjdjdjdjd>But how is it triggered? Wheres the configurarion file or something. Manual says nothing
13:45<lostatwork>that I could not tell you
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13:48<jdjdjdjdjdjd>Did you also run it with the default apt cron script or did you cobfigure the checking in another way?
13:48<Ionic>is there any longer list for package removals than https://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt?
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13:51<cruncher>Ionic, yes, there is
13:51<cruncher>https://ftp-master.debian.org/removals-full.txt
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13:52<Ionic>cruncher: great, thanks!
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13:54<Ionic>ah, there we go
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13:54<cruncher>no problem
13:54<Ionic>python-support was replaced by dh-python in unstable
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14:09<jshreffl>hello
14:10<jshreffl>if I have a suggestion concerning the out-of-package configuration of courier-mta, who should I send it to?
14:12<jshreffl>maybe I should make a bug report for the unstable courier-mta
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14:13<nikita>привет всем, а есть кто из русского сообщства?
14:13<jshreffl>I would need that in english
14:13<grove>!ru
14:13<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
14:14<nikita>thanks!
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14:21<MeetHammer_>ty petn-randall and k. I'm trying to replicate my VPN entries fro different exit points but import and export dont seem to work for openvpn thru nm-applet?
14:22<Ionic>hmm... python-support or dh-python as a run time dependency doesn't sound too helpful, does it?
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14:38<narcan>jshreffl: if its an out of package configuration, you could maybe see the wiki page and add your suggestion if its necessary.
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14:39<jshreffl>where is the wiki for courier?
14:39<narcan>you should not report a bug for that
14:40<narcan>https://wiki.debian.org/Courier%20Mail%20Server
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14:40<narcan>under construction :) feel free to complete it
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14:42<jshreffl>the out of package conf files are putting the dhparams file in the wrong path. I don't see why the user should concern himself with the filepath of that file...
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14:44<squid>hi
14:44<narcan>what do you mean by out of package?
14:44<jshreffl>unless there is some policy against it, I would suggest having the configuration file /etc/courier/esmtpd reference /etc/courier/dhparams.pem
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14:46<jshreffl>By Out of Package I mean to distinguish the user's configuration time from the config files on initial installation
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14:47<jshreffl>so Out of Package refers to the config files at the time installation finishes (provided there were no user config files to begin with)
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14:47<jshreffl>I think I saw that the /etc/courier/esmtpd config file is included in the deb and not generated with post install script
14:48<Shutguy>hi?
14:48<narcan>jshreffl: you should talk about that to the maintainer by a bug report
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14:48<jshreffl>ok
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15:03<pbordery04>hello some body help me please
15:03<jshreffl>what wrong?
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15:15<pbordery04>i need help for my wifi card firmware
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15:17<retrospectacus>!wifi
15:17<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
15:17<pbordery04>broadcom b43
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15:18<jshreffl>there probably is a special firmware package
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15:20<jshreffl>is there still a firmware-b43-installer pack?
15:20<jshreffl>what does lshw give you for your wifi?
15:20<pbordery04>yes firmware not free for dell inspiron mini 9 BCM4312
15:22<pbordery04>what is lshw?
15:23<jshreffl>a commandline utility that summarized model numbers and so on for your hardware
15:23<jshreffl>have you seen https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-b43-installer ??
15:24<jshreffl>select your release of debian
15:24<jshreffl>I would start there
15:24<jshreffl>...provided that the chip model number was a match
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15:25<jshreffl>looks like it probably matches ... I see 4312 on the list, but with a possible qualification
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15:27<jshreffl>bye bye
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15:28<pbordery04>yes i have firmware b43 instaler, but i don't do it for install; thank you buy
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15:55<Foffa>How to edit the context menu
15:56<jeep>Foffa: in what ?
15:56<Foffa>Right click on desktop
15:56<Foffa>My DE is gnome
15:56<Foffa>Gnome 3
15:57<Foffa>I want to add gedit into right click menu
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15:58<jeep>Foffa: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/91876/is-it-possible-to-add-an-item-to-the-nautilus-right-click-menu/91898#91898
15:59<Foffa>jeep, thank you mr
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16:00<jeep>Foffa: np i got that from a friend named google
16:01<Foffa>That friend don't like me
16:01<Foffa>I tried to search about that
16:01<Foffa>But no useful result
16:03<jeep>Foffa: "edit gnome right menu debian" was the string i used always make sure to throw debian in the search
16:03<Foffa>I did
16:03<jeep>Foffa: i miss the days of the linux search
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16:04<mith_>hi
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16:06<mith_>I have to buy e new ultrabook and install linux on it. I'd like to know if the mac book air should be a good idea, if the battery should work fine about duration
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16:08<Foffa>!apple
16:08<dpkg>[apple] a fruit, or Apple Inc. (formerly Apple Computer, Inc.), a consumer electronics and software company. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple . See also <airport>, <alac>, <combo drive>, <daap>, <hfs>, <hfsplus>, <imac>, <ipod>, <m68k>, <macbook>, <mac mini>, <open firmware>, <powerpc>, <quicktime>, <superdrive>. ##apple on irc.freenode.net.
16:08<Foffa>!mac
16:08<dpkg>[mac] Media Access Control, see <mac change>; Macintosh, see <apple>, <m68k>, <macbook>, <powerpc>, <macsound>; Mandatory Access Control, see <apparmor>, <selinux>, <tomoyo>; Monkey's Audio Codec, see <ape>.
16:08<Foffa>:D
16:09<newbie123456>i'm thinking of migrating from windoze but I'm not sure which version of Linux to go for, I need remote desktop between pcs running either windoze or linux initially, plus the usual run of the mill software (Thunderbird, Firefox, Open Office etc) can you rec would u recommend?
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16:10<newbie123456>can you recommend Debian?
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16:11<jeep>newbie123456: its personal preference however debian is popular on the #debian channel
16:11<tobi_>newbie123456: that's kind of rehtorical on #debian, isn't it?
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16:13<newbie123456>I'm asking for an honest opinion, will I be able to do with Debian same as with windoze, without having to learn a load of stuff?
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16:14<rkan001>No, you will have to learn a lot of stuff
16:14<rkan001>that's the funny part bout it
16:14*newbie123456 not interested in scripting...
16:14<rkan001>you dont need to "script"
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16:15<rkan001>perhaps time some commands
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16:15<tobi_>newbie123456: it depends also what you define your requirements, what your want to do.
16:15<rkan001>I just installed it and had problems with starting the X, i had to update and upgrade and install some privative nvidia drivers via console
16:15<blast007>private nvidia drivers?
16:15<rkan001>if you dont want to type anything... i would go ubuntu xD
16:16<rkan001>well, nonfree
16:16<rkan001>my english aint the best anyway, probably a bad translation
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16:17<blast007>perhaps you meant proprietary?
16:17<rkan001>yeah, thats it ;)
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16:18<newbie123456>I need remote desktop between pcs running either windoze or linux initially, plus the usual run of the mill software (Thunderbird, Firefox, Open Office etc)
16:18<blast007>newbie123456: if you want to get your feet wet, I'd suggest trying out a Debian Live DVD, or try a Debian install in a virtual machine (such as VirtualBox)
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16:19<tobi_>newbie123456: that will basically work with every distribution…
16:19<blast007>for the Live option, you would boot from the DVD and be able to try it out, and it wouldn't alter your hard drive unless you told it to do so
16:20<rkan001>Go fot it and install Debian, it will be at least fun and you'll learn some stuff :) I would go for it if you have time
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16:22<newbie123456>as I said I'm really not interested in knowing what's going on under the bonnet, I just want an OS that's easy to use & doesn't need constant updating or hight level of security like windoze...
16:22<tobi_>newbie123456: But as you asked for opinions: Yes, I can recommend Debian. And the recent desktop enviorments make them quite convenient too for the mouse addicted people ;-) (\me prefers keyboards) But you still will need to learn a lot, especially with little linux experience...
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16:23<Foffa>newbie123456, try puppy linux
16:23<Foffa>:D
16:23<rkan001>yeah or just go Ubuntu
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16:23<blast007>newbie123456: I gave you two ways to try Debian (or lots of other distributions), so just try it
16:24<blast007>newbie123456: https://www.debian.org/CD/live/
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16:28<newbie123456>I don't see the point of trying something that will commit me to something I'm really not interested in doing (i.e command lines) hence my asking for an honest opinion about Debian, which would therefore seem to be unsuitable for me, thank-you
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16:29<Foffa>Don't try linux windows xp is good
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16:30<newbie123456>indeed but too vulnerable...
16:30<Foffa>Haha
16:30<jeep>newbie123456: linux does what you want .. if you want just gui and use a few programs. or you want to learn how it all works its ll up to you
16:30<Foffa>Dude you have nothing to lose just try debian live
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16:31<newbie123456>thank-you for your time, I have my answer
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16:32<jeep>i see a windows purchase in his future
16:33<tobi_>no, no purchse, only a sell -- sell of his personal data
16:34<BlueWolf>Hmm, every day at work I must hear that Debian (and Linux in general) isn't designed for desktops, and were never to ... it feels like a lie to me :)
16:35<Foffa>if robbers ever broke into my house and searched for money id just laugh and search with them
16:35<Foffa>OMG wrong conversation
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16:40<BlueWolf>dgtlchlk: finished? :P
16:40<dgtlchlk>yeah heh sorry, thought znc had the ssl fingerprint already
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16:41<dgtlchlk>yeesh, all over a ssl fingerprint. what a nag
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16:41<jeep>BlueWolf: its been my desktop for like 15 years now
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16:43<BlueWolf>jeep: I only used it on servers, yet. But now, since Micr0s0ft is making money with my data and their apps .... time to change.
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16:45<BlueWolf>jeep: are you using sid?
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16:50<jeep>BlueWolf: jessie right the moment
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16:51<Foffa>Is it possible to upgrade from wheezy to jessie
16:52<BlueWolf>Foffa: yes
16:52<abrotman>dpkg: tell Foffa about wheezy->jessie
16:52<Foffa>Good
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16:53<Foffa>Thanks guys
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16:57<Foffa>Is there a mobile edition
16:57<BlueWolf>for tablets/phones?
16:57<BlueWolf>no.
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16:59<jeep>Foffa: you can get debian on jail broken tablet i think
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17:00<jeep>Foffa: https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile#Debian_on_mobile_devices
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20:22<lwp>When I try to update my wheezy backport kernel, aptitude tells me WARNING: this version is from an untrusted source!
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20:22<abrotman>lwp: which version of Debian are you using? Did you install the backports key and run apt-get update/
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20:22<abrotman>?
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20:24<lwp>Running wheezy, currently version Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1
20:24<abrotman>judd: kernels
20:25<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-trunk-686-pae (4.4-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-7); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-7); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-7~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u2)
20:25<abrotman>lwp: amd64?
20:26<lwp>yes, amd64
20:26<abrotman>lwp: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64
20:28<lwp>abrotman, I have been running backport wheezy kernels for many months, with no problem. Today the supposed upgrade kernel gives me this security warning.
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20:29<lwp>abrotman, I don
20:29<abrotman>lwp: they may have changed the key, I'm not running wheezy
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20:29<lwp>abrotman, I don't think I want to radically change my version, I'm just asking why I see this security warning for a possible new version.
20:30<lwp>abrotman, ahhh, how can I check/update my keys ?
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20:30<maya>hi guys
20:32<abrotman>lwp: you're not radically changing the version of the package anyway
20:32<abrotman>lwp: apt-key list
20:33<abrotman>lwp: if you run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade .. does it want to install any key packages?
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20:33<lwp>abrotman: apt-key list gives me: gpg: fatal: /home/lwp/.gnupg: directory does not exist!
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20:36<lwp>abrotman: sorry, I reran the apt-key list command as root, and got a big list of keys.
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20:44<lwp>If I run "apt-get dist-upgrade" won't that automatically upgrade my system to jessie ???
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20:47<nkuttler>lwp: not necessarily, check the release notes
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20:50<jprogrammer>hello
20:50<jprogrammer>uie gab
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20:51<jprogrammer>hello gie
20:51<jprogrammer>uiee
20:51<markeugie>wowowee
20:51<jprogrammer>game :D
20:51<markeugie>asa si gab
20:52<markeugie>gab boy?
20:52<markeugie>asa naman ka?
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20:52<markeugie>ako na pinakagwapo diri
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20:52<markeugie>hahahah
20:52<jprogrammer>alryt
20:52<markeugie>wala na
20:52<markeugie>pildi naka
20:52<jprogrammer>hahahaha
20:52<markeugie>haha
20:52<jprogrammer>okay na ?
20:52<gab>gwapo kaayo ko!!!!!
20:52<gab>lab it!!!
20:52<jprogrammer>cla alvin
20:52<jprogrammer>pasaliha cla alvin hahaha
20:53<markeugie>and the modus operandi begins
20:53<jprogrammer>hahahaha
20:53<markeugie>nice kaau ni
20:53<markeugie>dili kaau halata
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20:53<jprogrammer>gani :D
20:53<markeugie>murag ka type2 lng kunohay
20:53<jprogrammer>daghan man d i naka connect hahaha
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21:11<Arcade>I have a quick question. If I had removed "dotnet-nightly" deb I had installed on my own will it always show up in the package manager still?
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21:32<gyberware>test
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21:40<svetlana>gyberware, works ok
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22:21<rektide>i plugged in a usb-ethernet adapter, and it shows up as enx8caebbbbbbbb but if i 'dhclient enx8caeffffffff -d' i get a ... oh i had o update isc-dhcp packages now it works.
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22:37<juancho>can me install deb 8 on acer aspire one (old netbook)?
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22:39<juancho>can me install deb 8 on acer aspire one (old netbook)???
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22:47<paxmark9>juancho I have aspire one kav60 with testing running on it. lxde or xfce with 32 bit (i686) should work.
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23:37<twb>I'm trying to fix an NFSv3 client running Jessie. I have it working on other Jessie NFSv3 clients. Because systemd broke NFS (http://sprunge.us/MaCB?rst) I'm doing it by hand (http://sprunge.us/NcAA?sh).
23:37<twb>But! On this new build, after rpcbind starts normally, no matter how I try to start rpc.statd, "rcpinfo -p" still reports "No remote programs registered."
23:39<twb>Compare with a working host (also a Jessie NFSv3 client): http://sprunge.us/QiLf
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23:45<twb>ARGH, what simple obvious step have I forgotten
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23:49<twb>Ohhhhh, I misread an error
23:49<twb>http://sprunge.us/bIEO -- I'm used to ignoring the latter because I disable IPv6. The former errors are it failing to work for IPv4, which I *do* care about.
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23:51<twb>Aha! "getent services" is returning nothing, which is very suspicious.
23:52<twb>And /etc/services is completely missing
23:52<twb>That file is provided by the netbase package, which I'm probably not installing because "isn't that systemd-networkd's job now?"
23:53<twb>Yep, that's the problem
23:53<twb>rpcbind doesn't work at all unless netbase is installed, apparently
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