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00:23<lambda-11235>After selecting an install option at the bootloader I get a blank screen. Has this happened to anyone else?
00:25<zykotick9>lambda-11235: are you using a new computer (with UEFI)? did you try a debian "live" image by chance? reason, the live stuff doesn't support UEFI...
00:27<lambda-11235>zykotick9: I am using UEFI but not a live image. I've tried it with both UEFI enabled and disabled.
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00:28<zykotick9>lambda-11235: sorry, i really don't have any suggestion (just wanted to get that possible cause ruled out). i've never used uefi myself... i do know, secure boot _must_ be disabled (if that helps). good luck.
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00:43-!-Yst is "Yst Dawson" on #php #ahmia #guardianproject #moocows #oftc #debian-offtopic #debian-next #tor #debian #
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00:49<jeep>lambda-11235: have you tried the text installer ?
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01:04<lambda-11235>jeep: That's the "Install" (not the "Graphical Install"), in which case I have tried it.
01:05<lambda-11235>In the grub settings it has VGA=(some number), could that be it?
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01:05<jeep>lambda-11235: yes possibly
01:06<jeep>lambda-11235: the non graphical install fails also ?
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01:10<lambda-11235>jeep: What do you mean? I thought I already answered that? Is there are another option I'm not aware of?
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01:17<jeep>lambda-11235: yes im just confirming the non graphical failed
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01:18<jeep>lambda-11235: have you run a live cd on that computer yet ?
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01:32<lambda-11235>jeep: I'll try a live usb tomorrow. I have to get to bed for my 8:30 class.
01:33<lambda-11235>zykotick9, jeep: Thanks for your help.
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02:01<tracewpearson> /topic
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04:59<Guest1306>hiiiiiii
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05:26<diskfish>How can I list available packages on a cd-rom apt source?
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05:28<themill>There should be a Packages file for that resource in /var/lib/apt/lists
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05:31<diskfish>thanks. I was hoping to find gnome in there, but no luck
05:31<diskfish>I broke my laptop by purging gnome before installing another desktop
05:31<diskfish>so now I have no network connection or desktop
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05:32<themill>which CD do you have?
05:32<diskfish>Ah, it's a debian wheezy live install
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05:32<diskfish>so not going to be much on there..
05:33<diskfish>ok, I'll make another disc
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06:04<pdo_fn14>Hello, any bash command to listing folder from installed app. packages?
06:05<jm_>list what?
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06:08<pdo_fn14>app. folder config
06:08<jm_>I have no idea what app. folder config is
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06:08<pdo_fn14>jm_: sorry
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06:40<jm_>there's no need to apologize, just try to explain what you are looking for with more details/different wording
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06:43<jm_>ahh bummer
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07:15<jdjdjdjdjdjd>Backports got automatically installed even though documentarion says they shouldnt. Why and how to prwvent this when i reinstall?
07:16<jdjdjdjdjdjd>The right way
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07:17<jm_>then your setup is not default, check with apt-cache policy
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07:18<jdjdjdjdjdjd>Well ive done eveyrhing very catefullt and noted everyrhing. Policy you mean what exactly?
07:18<jm_>'apt-cache policy' is a command ...
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07:19<jdjdjdjdjdjd>So as i understand it i should set backports to 100 and thats it? Then install backports wirh -t jessie-backports
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07:20<jm_>that's what the default is yes, and note that for upgrades it will be pulled from backports, just install won't without telling it to
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07:22<jdjdjdjdjdjd>And when i want to revert to normal version what do i do? apt-get install package/jessie?
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07:23<themill>there's nothing to do
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07:23<jm_>you mean if you want to downgrade? yeah or if that does not work uninstall it and install the desired one
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07:24<jdjdjdjdjdjd>Yes. Will the choice (normal stable repo) get remembered then and updates will come only from default repo?
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07:25<themill>you only get backported packages when you ask for them
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07:34<jm_>crap, iceweasel 44 broke my fonts
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07:35<peter1138>Hmm, should I hold off on updating that then?
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07:36<jm_>it's not broken as in looking like shit, it just ignores my font selection (there's something about font matching on Linux in firefox 44 release notes)
07:36<jm_>so I get all sans serif fonts but i want serif
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07:37<jm_>and no matter what I do it just ignores me, asked my brother to check on his setup and it's the same there
07:38<jdjdjdjdjdjd>How do i set it to 100?
07:38<jm_>100 is the default
07:38<jm_>so you don't need to do anything, but if you don't get 100, then remove the config you added
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07:38<jdjdjdjdjdjd>For some reason its 500 here so i have to change something.
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07:39<jm_>put your apt-cache policy output on the paste site (/msg dpkg paste)
07:40<themill>also the output of « head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/preferences{,.d/*} »
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07:42<jdjdjdjdjdjd>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/349e0966
07:43<themill>have you run apt-get update?
07:44<jdjdjdjdjdjd>Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Why did it fix it?
07:44<jdjdjdjdjdjd>Wtf
07:45<jdjdjdjdjdjd>Theres still no etc apt preferences but its 100 now
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07:46<themill>this is configured in the repository; if nothing has been downloaded, then apt can't know that
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07:47<jdjdjdjdjdjd>But ive done apt get update lots of times before after adding this repo. Installed few packages from it. There was even automatical cache update today
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07:51<jdjdjdjdjdjd>Is there some log of cache update where i could find a potential error wirh this?
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07:53<jdjdjdjdjdjd>Is there a fast way to downgrade all these packages.? There are dozens
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07:56<jdjdjdjdjdjd>The one i can think of is synaptic.
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08:00<jdjdjdjdjdjd>No. Not synaptic. Has to be done one by one here too. Also when i try to downgrade libreoffice it tells ms gnome is to be deleted. This is some real mess.
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08:07<jdjdjdjdjdjd>This is unfixable. Dependency errors. I have to reinstall. Thanks for the help though. I hope that it wont happen again. Or ill dump backports for good.
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08:10<jm_>it's probably doable with dpkg without reinstall :)
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08:33<justaperson>Hi, does anyone perhaps know if it's possible to build and distribute deb packages separately for Intel and AMD processors? I would like to compile a program using Intel's compiler for Intel CPUs and with gcc for AMD ones. Question is if I can then have a repository indicating that Intel users get this while AMD ones the other package? Thanks a lot!
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08:35<justaperson>In other words, Architecture alone is too broad - both packages would fall into the same one but I just am wondering if it's possible to differentiate it even further by user's CPU vendor.
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08:44<jdjdjdjdjdjd>Cant you bundle both in one package and include simple script?
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08:46<themill>justaperson: what precisely do you mean by "Intel CPUs" and "AMD CPUs" and what differences would you expect to have in the compilation?
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08:53<diskfish>do they have to be the same package?
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08:57<justaperson>Hi themill - Intel as in manufactured by Intel (e.g. Xeon), AMD as in manufactured by AMD, e.g. Phenom. The expected difference is an entirely different thing, I'm just wondering in principle if it is possible since I could not find any information about it on the net.
08:57<justaperson>diskfish: You are right that this could be an approach indeed, thanks for the suggestion.
08:58<themill>justaperson: there are no opcodes different between those chips -- the compiled output should be the same
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08:59<themill>There would be more differences based on age than on manufacturer
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08:59<diskfish>different compilers generate different code, even for the same arch
08:59<diskfish>e.g. Intel's own vectorizing compiler
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08:59<themill>that's different compilers not different archs
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09:01<themill>If you really need to produce packages compiled with different compilers, then differently named packages (foo-gcc, foo-icc and a foo metapackage that depends on foo-gcc | foo-icc) is a common approach
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09:03<justaperson>Ok, thanks themill diskfish - looks like this needs to be separate packages, thanks for confirming it.
09:04<themill>if you're really just talking xeon vs phenom then don't bother
09:05<justaperson>Thanks themill - that was just an example because you asked about what I meant by Intel vs. AMD
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09:06<themill>I was making sure you weren't meaning itanium for intel; both intel and amd are making chips that have the same instructions and that's amd64
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09:07<justaperson>Yes indeed themill - I did not mean Itanium and I understand the situation with instructions, the question was only about compilers.
09:07<justaperson>So again, thanks for the input.
09:07<themill>icc executables should still work on amd chips -- I've never seen them fail
09:08<themill>same for ifort
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11:24<Sp0nken>Is it possible to make a live-usb with Debian Jessie and use it like a normal live-usb most of the times, but have it persistant (save settings) if i want to? For example be asked at shutdown if i want to save the settings?
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11:26<petn-randall>Sp0nken: I don't think the Debian live image has persistence. But I'm sure that there are other distros like tails that do offer that.
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11:29<retrospectacus>you can get persistence with debian-live using unionfs. I don't know if you can be asked on shutdown like that. #debian-live would know more
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11:30<Sp0nken>petn-randall: Ok. I've seen the exact thing i want to work in SlitaZ OS, but i really prefer debian. I mainly want to use it for running file system repairs etc on other computers and to check windows-computers for viruses etc, but i will be able to install programs etc when i'm not on a insecure computer (eg. at home) so i can just care about bringing the live-usb and be sure that i have all
11:30<Sp0nken>the tools i need
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11:31<Sp0nken>tails i havent looked into, but isn't that a distro aimed at privacy/security? I want a solution for fixing mainly corrupted windows systems :P the distro i've used the most is Debian and Ubuntu so therefore my first choise is defenetly debian
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11:41<petn-randall>Sp0nken: If you're using it for repair, I'd use either grml oder c't linux repair image, which has several anti-virus scanners built-in.
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11:42<trico>Sp0nken: most of the serious windows repairs ive had to do required the install disc, not a special OS
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11:44<Sp0nken>thx i will have a look at it. But i still want to be able to do this with Debian, since i want a portable secure way of for e.g accessing my FTP servers, logging into my bank account etc, from any computer that i don't trust. I also will use it for helping people with problems, therefore i want to be able to save things when i use it in my home enviroment, but i want everything to just dissapear
11:44<Sp0nken>as a normal live-usb most of the times
11:45<jonathanh>Should I sign a PGP-Key which only contains the first name (and maybe the initial of the last name) of the owner?
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11:47<jeep>Sp0nken: making your own debian live is pretty easy
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11:48<markybob>jeep, are you sure debian live does persistent? i haven't ever been a live user so i wouldn't know
11:48<markybob>jeep, that seems crucial for Sp0nken
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11:53<jeep>markybob: not the official ones
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11:56<Sp0nken>The problem is not to make a "persistent" live-usb.. Because it'll save EVERYTHING and act like a HDD, i want it to NOT save any changes until i specifically tells it to save the settings
11:57<xxe>I have a securit question: let's say I add the Google repositories to my sources.list. Now, how can I know which packages that repo will provide me. I mean, would it be possible that this repo push a modified upgrade of vim, for example?
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12:00<mju>xxe: Yes.
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12:00<musca>yes, apt will select the higher version number.
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12:01<xxe>Isn't there a way to make this more secure? Besides not adding random repositories...
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12:03<mju>xxe: I don’t think so. If you install a package from a repository, it can execute code on your machine. Hence do everything, and even do malicious things. (As far as I know.)
12:03<mju>So you pretty much have to trust the repository from which you install packages.
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12:04<Sp0nken>You can hold certain packages from being upgraded with apt-mark hold
12:04<xxe>Well, that sucks. Thank you, guys!
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12:06<musca>xxe: see this man, he doen't trust the repo, but he trusts one single package from that repo http://www.spassfieber.de/funpics/soldat-mit-mausefalle.jpg
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12:28<cruncher>why not use apt pinning?
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14:23<athlon>hello i have a question, Im not quite sure how about to go about configuring my extra side buttuns on my mouse?
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14:25<athlon>anyone around that could answer a mouse related question in jessie?
14:26<satbyy>athlon: 'xev', start clicking mouse buttons, note down the keycodes, and map them as you like in xmodmaprc
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14:28<athlon>right now my two side mouse buttuns one does nothing and the other just minimizes everything
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14:34<devrikx>athlon: you're two side buttons don't track browser pages back and forth respectively? Try going to google, follow a link, another link, and test those buttons in the browser. My logitech mouse doesn't do anything on the desktop, only in apps - mainly just the browser.
14:35<devrikx>'xev' as satbyy said, is a program that will show you keycodes received by the mouse...and you could map those to do whatever you want.
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14:35<devrikx>ah, sorry, didn't notice the quit - over :P
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15:29<Yaren>Hi.
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15:31<Yaren>Hi
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15:48<jackhill>I hope this is on topic: is there any special software people use to view files produced by script(1) that deals with the control characters?
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15:49<jackhill>I think I'm looking for something that only shows the final state of each line
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15:57<torouter>hi guize
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15:57<torouter>so, I have a question someone here might know...
15:58<torouter>I have a wheezy server, I just did a compile and install of the latest version of apache2, but it defaulted to /usr/local/httpd
15:58<torouter>it runs ok if I start it with /usr/local/httpd/bin/apachectl start
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15:59<torouter>but its in a new filepath so all my /etc/apache2/configurations are missing
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15:59<torouter>should I run make install again and specify the filepath? or just start copying over the config files into the /usr/local/httpd/config folder?
16:00<blast007>it's probably in /usr/local/etc/
16:00<blast007>but why do you need a newer version of Apache2?
16:00<torouter>apt-get update only gets me to 2.2, but 2.4 is current
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16:00<blast007>Jessie has 2.4.10, so you should just upgrade to Jessie
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16:01<torouter>should I just edit my repos to look at the jessie ones and run the upgrade? its a server that is in use...
16:01<blast007>you should read the documentation about how to upgrade
16:02<torouter>I am..
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16:03<blast007>!wheezy->jessie
16:04<torouter>this is what I'm reading... https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
16:04<blast007>'Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>.'
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16:05<blast007>and of course have known good backups first, and do the upgrade during a time that maintenance can occur (since it will require at least one reboot)
16:06<torouter>I was hoping to postpone a full dist upgrade for a bit while I can arrange for downtime, all I need to upgrade at the moment is apache
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16:07<zulu>Hi, I just bought a quad Wandboard and try the armhf sdcard image on it, the sbc shows WandBoard but then nothing happen
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16:07<blast007>another option would be to spin up a Jessie VM to run apache 2.4 for now
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16:08<zulu>the debian installation guide on armhf don't give much information
16:08<zulu>should I try to connect with ssh? is there a predefined IP?
16:09<zulu>or should I connect to serial port?
16:09<zulu>is the sdcard image for older single or bi core wandboard system?
16:09<torouter>I feel like I'm so close... I have the newer apache installed and running out of the /usr/local directory, I'm just needing some config files
16:09<torouter>thanks!
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16:24<torouter>you guys were right, upgrading is the way to go. I switched my repos.list file over
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16:45<zulu>my wandboard hardware seems ok, I ran an ubuntu image!
16:45<zulu>now I want jessie!!
16:45<zulu>nobody on wandboard?
16:45<zulu>is there a specific channel for armhf?
16:46<markybob>!armhf
16:46<dpkg>armhf is a port of Debian requiring a floating-point unit (FPU) found in modern <ARM> hardware. It explicitly targets version 7 of the ARM architecture (i.e. not the Raspberry Pi), using the hard-float version of the ARM EABI. The armhf architecture was introduced at Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. See also <armel vs armhf>.
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16:47<zulu>thx markybob I already know this
16:47<zulu>ahh #debian-arm
16:47<markybob>zulu, you asked for a specific channel. that factoid tells you the channel ?
16:47<zulu>thanks markybob
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21:41<Arcade>is there any particular reason when connecting to my nas and letting it sit sometimes when coming back it shows a network error
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21:44<markybob>Arcade, yeah. it goes to sleep
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21:48<Arcade>gotcha markybob . I think I will keep the settings the way they are on the nas
21:48<Arcade>it runs debian :)
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