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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-01-29

---Logopened Fri Jan 29 00:00:21 2016
---Daychanged Fri Jan 29 2016
00:00<lambda-11235>I can't get grub to be recognized on UEFI system after rebooting.
00:00<markybob>lambda-11235, probably need to turn off secure boot and reinstall
00:03<lambda-11235>markybob: Secure boot was turned off on install.
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00:07<lambda-11235>Only option is Window's Boot Manager.
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00:24<lambda-11235>Would not duel-booting with Window's help?
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01:15<brian>I'm new to Linux -- Is Semplice Linux part of this IRC?
01:17<storge_>brian: in this network, you can search with this command: /msg alis list *semplace* ...or something like *that*
01:21<jm_>!semplice
01:21<dpkg>Semplice is a GNU/Linux distribution based on Debian <unstable>. It is not suppored in #debian. http://semplice-linux.org/ #semplice on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
01:22<brian>Cool, jm
01:22<brian>thanks
01:23<jm_>no problem
01:24<brian>I'm loving Debian after being an Ubuntu enthusiast for many years .. I'm trying plain Debian distros now .. I want the most minimal way to install a basic window manager.
01:25<jm_>debian pretty much provides that
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01:25<storge_>brian: netinstall, roughly 300MB last i checked (though i miss the 100MB days) lets you build up from a very base install
01:26<brian>yes, Arch is great at it too. I did the netinstall with Debian Jessie. It still loaded a lot of gnome stuff by default though
01:26<storge_>it does? ugh. it used to default to nothing that you didn't pick
01:26<jm_>it doesn't if you don't select anything at the end
01:26<storge_>ah, good
01:27<brian>Ok . maybe I need to try again . I think I was worried that without any X at all I'd be lost
01:28<jm_>nothing a tty IRC client couldn't help solve
01:28<brian>Yes, Jm_ I need to utilize that resource more ..
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01:30<brian>my problem is that Debian isn't friendly to my network out of the box . I dual with a macmini using a broadcom wireless .
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01:30<brian>takes me a few attempts to get the wl driver loaded
01:31<storge_>friendly to your network?
01:31<storge_>using dhclient or dhcpcd ?
01:31<storge_>whichever one you are using, try the other
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01:32<brian>many distros include broadcom installed . but not debian . (of course, Mint and Ubuntu include the kitchen sink) I want to learn to get away from those crutches
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01:34<brian>Anyways, thanks Debian people, you seem to be a great bunch . I'm liking your distro more and more and I have lots to learn
01:34<storge_>brian: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree && apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
01:35<storge_>those two should have you covered. the second one is potentially superfluous.
01:35<brian>yes, but that is the cart before the horse .. if I can't get online first .. my ethernet is not working well
01:36<storge_>you can put it on a usb and install it offline
01:36<brian>I tried that .. for some reason the bcm4331 doesnt like it .. it needs a little more work
01:36<jm_>debian has it included on the non-free install images too
01:37<jm_>!non-free install images
01:37<jm_>!firmware images
01:37<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
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01:40<brian>I learned a lot .. thanks guys
01:40<brian>or gals?
01:40<brian>LOL
01:41<brian>good night
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02:41<R4F_Debian>Hi all
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05:34<bnmann>hello
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06:04<voltagex>I'm trying to get apt-cacher-ng to remap http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/linux-4.3.3.tar.xz to http://mirror.linux.org.au/linux/kernel/v4.x/linux-4.3.3.tar.xz (yes, I know that's not quite what it's for) and Remap-kernel: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux http://mirror.linux.org.au/linux /; http://mirror.linux.org.au/linux results in a bad redirect
06:04<voltagex>- any ideas?
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06:27<voltagex>nevermind, wrong url
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06:56<Darby_Crash>hi guys
06:56<Darby_Crash>i have installed debian on my asus n56jr and i have with noveau driver
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06:57<Darby_Crash>the laptop have a gtx 760m and integrated intel 4600 hd
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07:20<Jobbe>heya
07:20<Jobbe>I'm working on a udev rule
07:20<Jobbe>I need to detect when the laptop lid close
07:21<Jobbe>not sure where to look for a kernel name for the button, so far i've run udevadm monitor and dmesg -w to look for an event, yet nothing
07:22<Jobbe>I have a dell xps 23 9394 laptop
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07:24<jm_>not sure udev is the place to look
07:24<Jobbe>hmm
07:24<Jobbe>I'm just looking into the screen turning off when I close the lid. And not suspending.
07:25<Jobbe>I roam alot at work, and I really hate getting disconnected from the wifi
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07:37<Jobbe>hmm
07:38<Jobbe>I've just read up on the logind.conf file
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07:38<Jobbe>the HandleLidSwitch seems to be able to perform a "kexec" event
07:39<Jobbe>would i be able to execute a script that turns off the monitor when i close lid?
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07:39<k-man>which desktop environment works best with high dpi screens?
07:40<Jobbe>none afaik
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07:45<jm_>Jobbe: yeah you should be able to do that, don't ask me how though, maybe check if laptop-mode-tools or pm-utils have something
07:46<jm_>or just ask again here later when more people are active
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07:47<Jobbe>jm_: yeah i will
07:47<Jobbe>for now I just added a hotkey
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07:51<Jobbe>when i run it, it will run i3lock -I 5 -d -c 000000 -e -f
07:51<Jobbe>that turns off the screen right away and locks the system
07:52<Jobbe>thanks jm_
07:52<jm_>no problem
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07:59<Jobbe>there we go
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08:22<peter1138>hmm, wonder what my systems are missing
08:22<peter1138>some that upgraded from wheezy to jessie have issues booting with systemd
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08:37<peter1138>sysvinit boot still works fine
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08:52<Darby_Crash>i have installed debian on my asus n56jr and i have issue with noveau driver
08:53<Darby_Crash>the laptop have a nvidia gtx 760m and one integrated intel 4600 hd
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08:54<Darby_Crash>i have a fresh installation of jessi
08:54<Darby_Crash>*jessie
08:55<Darby_Crash>i have installed gnome desktop
08:55<Darby_Crash>debian freeze after some minutes
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09:01<jeep>Darby_Crash: see anything in syslog and the xorg logs ?
09:01<Darby_Crash>thanks jeep can you wait one minute?
09:02<jeep>Darby_Crash: is it a laptop ? thermal shutdown ?
09:02<Darby_Crash>asus n56jr is a laptop
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09:02<Darby_Crash>debian freeze for noveau driver
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09:02<Darby_Crash>the laptop have a nvidia gtx 760m and one integrated intel 4600 hd
09:03<Darby_Crash>installation is fresh and i haven't installed nothing
09:03<k-man>how can i tell if a package is upgradable (for use in a script)
09:04<Darby_Crash>jeep
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09:05<jeep>Darby_Crash: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
09:06<Darby_Crash>jeep, i must intall proprietary driver?
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09:06<blast007>Darby_Crash: read through this first: https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee
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09:08<Darby_Crash>after thanks blast007
09:09<Darby_Crash>sorry
09:09<Darby_Crash>*thanks blast007
09:09<Darby_Crash>blast007, i must install proprietary driver?
09:09<blast007>(so, you might be able to stick with Nouveau) but, hybrid graphics can be a major pain
09:10<Darby_Crash>what is the better solution?
09:10<blast007>I've got an Intel/AMD hybrid graphics laptop, and that even has problems in Windows
09:11<blast007>not hybrid? :)
09:12<Darby_Crash>how can i disable intel card?
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09:12<blast007>I don't mean that, I mean not getting a laptop that has hybrid graphics
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09:13<Darby_Crash>thanks jeep and blast007
09:13<blast007>but try the bumblebee stuff
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09:14<Darby_Crash>ok i start debian and make a try
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10:11<grtpq>someone can explain me how to use latest fglrx driver with latest kernel
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10:13<SynrG>too vague
10:13<SynrG>"latest?"
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10:13<SynrG>grtpq: please tell us what hardware you have. lspci -nn | grep -i vga
10:14<SynrG>grtpq: also, which debian release are you on? jessie?
10:14<SynrG>,v fglrx-driver
10:14<judd>Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 1:12-3-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2~bpo70+1; jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.9-3~bpo8+1; jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1; sid/non-free: 1:15.12-2; stretch/non-free: 1:15.12-2
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10:14<SynrG>the latest fglrx we support is 15.9 (via backports)
10:15<SynrG>if you attempted to use upstream's installer, you need to undo that first.
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10:15<grtpq>yes im on jessie an have 15.9 from backports
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10:15<grtpq>thanks for reply
10:15<SynrG>so what seems to be the problem? do you have a backports kernel too?
10:16<SynrG>and backports kernel headers?
10:16<grtpq>yes i have 4.3
10:16<SynrG>and the matching kernel headers?
10:16<grtpq>i think so
10:16<SynrG>if so, please indicate in a paste at http://paste.debian.net/ the command you're typing and the output
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10:17<grtpq>the problem i have is that when i inizialize whith the 403 kernel doesnt reconize the drivers
10:18<grtpq>when i put on console fglrxinfo
10:18<SynrG>the driver installs correctly?
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10:18<grtpq>yes it works perfectly with the kernel 3.16
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10:19<SynrG>no ... the driver installs correctly *and builds the 4.3 modules*? is what i meant
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10:19<SynrG>when you install the 4.3 headers it should trigger a rebuild of all dkms (including fglrx) for the 4.3 kernel
10:19<SynrG>please verify you really do have the 4.3 headers
10:19<grtpq>yes when its installing it says that its mounted the module for oll the kernels including the 4.3
10:20<grtpq>how do i verify
10:20<grtpq>ill try with with policy command
10:20<SynrG>dpkg -l 'linux-headers-4.3*' should do it
10:20<dpkg>ii 'linux-headers-4.3*' should do it 2.4-11 synrg's private porn collection
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10:21<SynrG>^^ failed bot humor
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10:23<grtpq>apt-cache policy says they are installed
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10:24<grtpq>i thought it was problem that the kernel doesnt support the drivers and you had to patch it
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10:37<josephg>i can't hear the bell. nothing from echo -ne "\a". how can i get working bell?
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11:32<odish>hi all, anyone else having trouble upgrading rsyslog to 8.4.2-1+deb8u2 ?
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11:33<odish>systemctl isn't telling me much other than "systemd[1]: rsyslog.service start request repeated too quickly, refusing to start."
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11:43<chele>hi there, i've setup on my user a specific umask which for some reason applies also when I create/mount using sudo. Is the only way to change this setting up a different umask for root?
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11:45<retrospectacus>try using sudo -i
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11:46<retrospectacus>odish: what version are you upgrading from? Is this a dist-upgrade?
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11:52<josephg>systemd doesn't need rsyslog or any other syslog. i purged mine.
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11:59<diskfish>can I "repair" a Debian install with a Live or Full ISO image?
12:00<diskfish>my laptop can only start in recovery mode since gnome was removed.. so I have no network connection to apt-get install gnome again, or similar..
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12:01<retrospectacus>diskfish: yes; use chroot
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12:03<diskfish>if I chroot to the mnt point of sda2 after booting from a Live CD, I still won't have any network connection, will I?
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12:04<jeep>diskfish: follow a chroot walk through ... then it will all work
12:04<narcan>diskfish: try #dhclient eth0
12:04<dipu>hi
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12:04<narcan>to have network connection
12:04<odish>retrospectacus: rsyslogd tells me it's 8.4.2, when trying to upgrade apt tells me it's setting up 8.4.2-1+deb8u2 (which is where it fails
12:05<diskfish>ok, thanks
12:05<odish>rsyslogd -version tells me *
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12:10<odish>weirdly enough, i can't purge it either, it says it can't locate the file
12:10<odish>package, rather
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12:31<lambda-11235>On first install, can I install Xorg without installing a desktop environment?
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12:49<nevyn>yes
12:49<nevyn>well not from tasksel
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12:58<lambda-11235>nevyn: Do you mean after installation, not during?
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13:03<nevyn>I mean there's no 'packageset' that would give that I don't think
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14:31<Paio>Hola
14:32<Paio>HOla
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14:32<retrospectacus>diskfish: if you're online in the liveCD you will be online in the chroot. No need to dhclient or anything
14:32<Paio>Hiijos de iil putaa
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14:33<Paio>oOla
14:33<danielsh>!
14:33<retrospectacus>odish: http://paste.debian.net - show us "apt-cache policy", "apt-cache policy rsyslog", and your command and its entire output.
14:33<danielsh>!es
14:33<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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14:33<retrospectacus>Paio: do you need help with Debian?
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14:37<Paio>HOla
14:37<retrospectacus>Paio: do you need help with Debian?
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14:38<odish>retrospectacu: i was using the wrong name to purge it apparently, thanks though !
14:38<Paio>Mother faker
14:38<odish>Paio is 10 years old i'm afraid
14:38<odish>which is crazy, since he's using irc
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14:39<Paio>My name is kevin
14:40<odish>hello kevin, isn't debian amazing ?
14:40<Marillion>odish: don't feed the troll
14:40<Paio>Yes
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14:41<maldito>hello
14:41<Paio>Hijo de putaa
14:41<maldito>moder foquer
14:42<Paio>Vss sos gey maldiito peke
14:42<odish>what a time to be alive, a child talking to himself on irc
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14:43<retrospectacus>:)
14:43<Paio>:)
14:43<maldito>odish hijo de puta la concha de tu madre esa culiada por mi y por el burro
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14:44<jelly>sorry, my scripts seem to have problems with OFTC's ChanServ
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15:13<douglasgp>Nick.root
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16:18<trico>im trying to install debian jessie on a new latitude e7470, but the installer doesnt detect a hard drive. I know the hdd works because i just it boot into the windows setup. some weird uefi issue maybe?
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16:18<jeep>trico: can you disable uefi ?
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16:19<trico>yes, but i probably dont want to
16:20<blast007>you shouldn't have to disable UEFI for that
16:20<blast007>disable secure boot, yes, but not UEFI
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16:21<trico>already disabled secure boot. its the partition disks step that doesnt detect anything but the usb drive
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16:24<blast007>that system uses a M.2 SSD?
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16:25<trico>it has an ssd, i dont know what type
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16:27<blast007>perhaps it's using an NVMe interface, and Jessie might not support that. I see mention that NVMe support was added to the Debian Installer Stretch Alpha 5 release: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/01/msg00001.html
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16:28<foffa> how to hide sidebar on gnome 3.14
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16:28<trico>huh. not sure what im looking for lspci or anything else. guess ill keep poking it and researching
16:28<mtn>foffa: it is normally hidden
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16:29<foffa>i want hidden it like forever
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16:29<mtn>foffa: you mean when you hit Activities, you don't want a favorites?
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16:29<blast007>trico: you could try the testing installer to see if it shows the drive, and then you'd at least have a better idea of what's going on
16:29<foffa>mtn, yes
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16:30<mtn>foffa: you can look for an extension that does that, though I have no idea why anyone would make one.
16:30<trico>blast007: thanks
16:31<foffa>mtn, thanks but i found an extention that doesnt work with gnome 3.14 only gnome 3.10
16:31<mtn>foffa: I guess they quit making it or changed gnome so it would not work.
16:32<foffa>mtn, the sidebar its really annoying me :(
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16:57<taran>I'm trying to get wifi working on an Acer E5-573G-52G3. lspci ouputs
16:57<taran>03:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 30)
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16:58<taran>I think the firmware-atheros package should work, but wicd still doesn't recognize any Wi-Fi networks.
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16:59<sney>what's the pciid of that card? (lspci -nn)
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17:02<taran>sney, 0280 or 168c, I'm not sure what you're referring to.
17:02<sney>does it say [0280:168c] or the other way around?
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17:04<taran>03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros Device [168c:0042] (rev 30)
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17:05<davey>hi guys
17:05<davey>can anyone explain why when using rhythmbox (or banshee), i can't transfer tracks from my music library to ipod because permission denied
17:06<davey>but if i start the program again as root, then the ipod is not detected as a device
17:06<sney>,pciid 168c:0042
17:06<judd>[168c:0042] is 'Unknown device' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0042
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17:07<sney>taran: ^ either that's not your wifi controller, or it's too new to be in the kernel yet.
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17:08<davey>why would root not have access to a mounted device when user does, can anyone explain that
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17:08<davey>and how are you meant to load files onto a device if permission denied as user, and device undetected as root
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17:11<davey>getting fed up with these little quirks... i love debian, but out the box it just doesn't work. permission denied coz ur not root. oh ur root now, can't find ur device that i was just denying u permission from
17:11<davey>it's like they're having a joke
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17:19<davey>thx for the help everyone. suppose i should just install windows 10 NSA edition and stop complaining
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17:47<sney>was it a deliberate feature change for 'reboot' to - afaict - kill the ssh session so you can't logout before it goes down? I've noticed it on (iirc) all of my jessie machines, both baremetal and virtual.
17:47<sney>shutdown -r +1 works as described though.
17:48<ompaul>sney: I've seen sessions restore
17:48<ompaul>but not many
17:48<ompaul>and less over time
17:49<ompaul>something I'd agree with - ergo we have - screen or other such things
17:50<sney>I'm just trying to train myself to use that shutdown stanza instead. rather than have a dead putty window just hanging there
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17:52<sney>maybe it's a side effect of systemd speeding things up.
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18:06<root_>hellow
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18:22<foffa>How to backup/restore debian? and is it possible to create a restore point ?
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18:23<ompaul>foffa: depends on what you think you are doing it tends not to work like windows so you can make a bitwise copy and go forward from there
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18:27<foffa>ompaul, what i have to do if the system for some reason corrupted ?
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18:30<ompaul>foffa: restore your data from backups and reinstall and reconfigure files
18:30<ompaul>foffa: depends on your use case
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18:30<jeep>foffa: linux corruption tends to be misconfigured .. not actully hurt
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18:50<foffa>jeep, yes you are right but i need long time to find the misconfiguration file. and thanks
18:50<jeep>foffa: what problem are you having ?
18:51<foffa>i have no problem everything is ok with me .. im just asking just in case
18:53<foffa>jeep, i just installed Wine. but i cant find it in the application list .. and reason why? and how to show it
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18:56<mtn>foffa: you don't run wine by itself, you use it to run windows apps.
18:56<foffa>mtn, really!! =D thanks
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18:58<markybob>foffa, you might want to look into codeweavers. wine can be a bitch
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19:01<foffa>markybob, -_- i can see now why did you call wine a bitch
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19:17<alexsander>hello there
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20:17<Guest1565>How do you fix a kernel panic in debian
20:18<nevyn>!reportbug
20:18<dpkg>reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
20:18<nevyn>Guest1565: assuming it's a supported configuration
20:18<nevyn>(no proprietary kernel modules nvidia driver etc)
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20:23<Guest1565>Does nvidia use open source drivers
20:25<awal>Guest1565, check the wiki, something about nvidia stuffs are there
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20:31<markybob>!tell Guest1565 about nvidia
20:31<markybob>Guest1565, the simple answer is nvidia doesn't have official open source drivers. hackers made some, though. works pretty well for most cards
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20:40<k-man>is it possible to downgrade from unstable to testing?
20:40<storge_>yes
20:41<k-man>or maybe its easier to just reinstall testing
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20:43<awal>k-man: downgrade your whole system or just a few packs?
20:43<markybob>k-man, no, it's not
20:43<markybob>!downgrade
20:43<dpkg>Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
20:43<k-man>thanks
20:44<markybob>k-man, another thing to keep in mind is that testing support is in #debian-next, not here
20:44<k-man>oh right good point
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20:45<k-man>i installed unstable on my vm on my macbook for some reason way back when... but i wish I'd just installed stable or testing
20:45<k-man>oh well
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20:52<Guest1565>Is KDE better for old computers
20:52<markybob>Guest1565, no. for old computers xfce is probably your best bet
20:52<markybob>Guest1565, kde/gnome are heavy
20:53<Guest1565>I am using a computer with a duo core and a 9800 gtx
20:53<markybob>Guest1565, that's pretty much my setup and i still use xfce
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21:07<awal>Guest1565: lxde is lighter, but xfce is more complete
21:08<awal>mate (a fork of gnome2) also should run fine with your machine
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22:18<darrel>newbie to debian , Installed 8.3, 1st disk only, choose closet mirror, it is down, cannot edit sourse in Synaptic?
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22:35<ebit>can my computer run debian http://postimg.org/image/90ak2kxs9/full/
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22:41<awal>ebit: is that a joke?
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22:46<ebit>awal no?
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22:52<lostson>ebit: yes that would run it just fine
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23:08<virgosun>hi everyone
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23:15<virgosun>i have made it to boot live cd pxe
23:15<virgosun>but how do they boot win xp from linux
23:15<virgosun>anyone know
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23:18<virgosun>i have a broadcon card that need ndis driver
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23:39<lambda-11235>I running i3 and all the fonts for the windows are very small, is there a way to fix this.
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23:41<lambda-11235>I've tried changing .gtkrc-2.0 and .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini to no avail.
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