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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-02-04

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00:08<kathy>no entiendo esto????
00:08<markybob_>!es
00:09<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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01:07<Makilin>how can i set my system date? i tried "date --set YYYY-MM-DD" but it gets reverted the next second or isn't effective at all.
01:08<jeep>Makilin: is your timezone correct
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01:09<jeep>Makilin: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html
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01:10<jm_>!set time
01:10<dpkg>To set the time on Debian systems, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. Also verify the system's UTC setting and set the correct time zone; ask me about <utc>, <timezone>.
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01:21<Makilin>jm_: are you trying to tell me that <ntp> prevents me from setting the date with any lasting effect?
01:22<Makilin>jeep: yes, it is. i fail to see how this is relevant.
01:22<jm_>Makilin: no
01:23<Makilin>jm_: i observe no lasting effect at all from "date --set", not even until next reboot.
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01:24<Makilin>e.g. running "date" right after "date --set" shows the old time.
01:25<Makilin>maybe i don't get what you are trying to tell me.
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01:27<jm_>Makilin: I am trying to tell you that using NTP makes sense -- as for correct usage for date --set, it's date MMDDhhmm
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01:31<Makilin>that was not what i was asking for.
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02:57<quatumman>I have a quick question about installing PPA, Are they reliable? I want to install Notepadqq from https://launchpad.net/~notepadqq-team but there PPA is ubuntu PPA does this matter?
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03:00<jm_>do not mix debian and ubuntu packages
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03:03<quatumman>If i have how do i uninstall all PPA?
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03:06<jm_>!which repo
03:06<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try https://www.palfrader.org/gitweb/?p=tools/weaselutils.git;a=blob_plain;f=apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list>
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03:08<musca>first identify all installed packages from that source, remove the packages, and finally remove the source entry of the ppa.
03:11<quatumman>what the best way of identifying all PPA
03:11<musca>what dpkg bot said above ^^^
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03:41<smhar>greetings
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03:42<smhar>I have a lenovo G40-70 notebook that I installed Debian Jessie on it. It comes with AMD Radeon Graphics, but dmesg shows Intel Integrated controller
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03:43<towo^work>smhar, then it has dual graphics
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03:43<jm_>so it's not limited to nvidia only?
03:43<towo^work>no
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03:44<jm_>what's the keyword for amd's solution (optimus for nvidia)?
03:44<towo^work>but intel/ati is not such pain like optimus
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03:44<towo^work>jm_, afaik it's known as enduro
03:44<quatumman>Can U use the ppa purge command to remove packages and PPA?
03:44<towo^work>but with free drivers and DRI3 enabled is easy to use
03:44<jm_>towo^work: it seems to be yes, thanks
03:45<towo^work>quatumman, there are no ppa in debian
03:45<jm_>quatumman: uninstall them like you uninstall other packages
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03:46<smhar>towo^work, I am having trouble with Konsole transparency in KDE that I though it might be solve.
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03:47<towo^work>smhar, this is saying zero no give you any hint
03:47<markus-k>I'm wondering, can I run the debian installer from an existing debian installation without booting an installer image?
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03:47<smhar>towo^work, I also plan to use some heavy programs in windows through vbox, so I need to have the maximum possible performance in graphics
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03:48<towo^work>smhar, heavy programs even sayes nothing
03:48<quatumman>so for example the PPA deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:kamilprusko/Debian_8.0/ this is for a pomodoro timer shopuld be uninstalled using apt-get remove pomodoro
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03:48<towo^work>smhar, if you speak about 3d using in vbox, forget it better
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03:49<smhar>towo^work, actually it is AutoCAD and Primavera
03:50<towo^work>smhar, what does lspci | egrep -i "3d|display|vga" show to you?
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03:51<smhar>towo^work, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b)
03:51<smhar>towo^work, 03:00.0 Display controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Sun LE [Radeon HD 8550M / R5 M230]
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03:53<jm_>markus-k: why not use debootstrap?
03:53<towo^work>so you could force vbox to run on the ati graphics by dri offloading
03:54<markus-k>jm_: thats an option yes, but not as simple as the installer
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03:56<smhar>towo^work, what is the best way to benchmark each graphics controller to see the faster in my laptop?
03:57<towo^work>smhar, search a benchmark app, run it 1 time default and 1 time over drii offloading, compare them
03:58<smhar>towo^work, thanks a million
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04:00<smhar>towo^work, oh.. and if If I did the dri offloading thing - I am googling it now - will this enable the AMD card for the general desktop and loads the radeon driver
04:00<towo^work>smhar, no, dri offloading enables the card only for the given application
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04:01<smhar>towo^work, then how to disable the intel card ad enable the amd card for general use?!
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04:02<towo^work>smhar, if you can't do that in bios, you can't do that in general
04:03<smhar>towo^work, didn't see an option for that in bios... then what is the benefit of having them both built-in?!
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04:07<towo^work>smhar, benefit is, for low claims you can use the intel card, for higer claims you can use the more powerfull discrete card
04:08<towo^work>*higher
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04:30<Walakea>When my computer boots is says this: failed to start /etc/rc.local compatibility, then continues with other things and boots successfully
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04:32<jm_>and you actually have /etc/rc.local file?
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04:32<Walakea>yes
04:32<Walakea>about 4 commands in there
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04:35<jm_>does it work if you run it manually?
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04:37<Walakea>how do i test it?
04:38<jm_>sh -x /etc/rc.local
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04:39<Walakea>it writes the commands i have in there and says permission denied or not found
04:39<jm_>you should run it as root
04:39<Walakea>probably have to do it as sudo
04:40<Walakea>successfully did all of them
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04:41<jm_>then try adding "set -x" as second line and check what it says at next boot or perhaps first check what «journalctl -u rc-local.service» shows you
04:42<Walakea>into the rc.local?
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04:43<willemb>is there any logical reason for some of my servers have partition 1 start at sector 3906 ?
04:43<jm_>yes but first use journalctl to see if it shows something
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04:43<willemb>and can I fix my misalignment deleting it, recreating it to start at 2048, then extend sdb to start at the right place, too?
04:44<willemb>or must I delete sda2, not just resize it?
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04:51<Walakea>-- Logs begin at Thu 2016-02-04 08:58:28 CET, end at Thu 2016-02-04 10:50:46 CET. --
04:51<Walakea>Feb 04 08:58:35 debian rc.local[613]: Error opening display!
04:51<Walakea>Feb 04 08:58:37 debian systemd[1]: rc-local.service: control process exited, code=exited status=1
04:51<Walakea>Feb 04 08:58:37 debian systemd[1]: Failed to start /etc/rc.local Compatibility.
04:51<Walakea>Feb 04 08:58:37 debian systemd[1]: Unit rc-local.service entered failed state.
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04:52<jm_>you are using some tool that requires X
04:54<Walakea>probably changing brighntess
04:54<jm_>in a new terminal, unset DISPLAY, sh -xe /etc/rc.local and see which it is
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04:55<Walakea>you mean other virtual environment or just new terminal?
04:56<jm_>should be enough to test it in a new terminal where you unset DISPLAY variable
04:57<Walakea>it just executed the commands
04:57<Walakea>how do i unset display
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04:57<jm_>did you run "unset DISPLAY" first?
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04:58<Walakea>i will, but is it safe?
04:58<jm_>it's just for that terminal ...
05:00<Walakea>did the same things
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05:00<jm_>then using set -e and set -x in the script shall help identify it
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05:18<Guest2294>hello
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05:19<Guest2294>are u a hacker
05:19<Guest2294>??
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05:20<Guest2294>can u read me ?
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05:23<blawiz>seems pinta crashed when using cropping, done so for months now...
05:24<blawiz>its not likely to get fixed in jessie?
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05:40<steven>Hi guys :)
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05:43<blawiz>hi guy :]
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05:52<steven>I could use some help in installing debian on a laptop without an ethernet card
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05:53<steven>The wifi-card that is not recognized by the installer. It should be a BCM43602 but loading brcmfmac module does not work, I also tried attaching a usb drive containing the firmware-brcm80211 package but the installer complains that there are no packages for the current kernel version, but I think they should be right
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05:59<jm_>!firmware images
05:59<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
05:59<jm_>also check the wifi wiki page for your particular device
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06:00<jm_>https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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06:05<steven>jm_, thank you. I'm trying the unofficial netinst. On the wiki page, that card is not mentioned
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06:06<jm_>steven: so maybe it's not supported?
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06:07<steven>Well, it seems supported according to here: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/brcm80211
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06:08<jm_>which ID is it then?
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06:09<steven>jm_, 14e4:43ba
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06:10<jm_>steven: not how it says Supported in 3.17+ , debian has 3.16 unless you install the kernel from bpo where it's 4.3
06:10<jm_>note*
06:10<steven>jm_, Ow, I just noticed it says Supported in 3.17+, and the kernel for debian 8.3.0 is 3.16
06:11<jm_>you'll probably need newer firmware packages too if they exist, or grab just the firmware file from somewhere and stick it in /lib/f* manually
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06:14<steven>jm_, now... how do I get a netinst with a newer kernel? I would like to stick to stable (+ backports, apparently).
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06:16<jm_>steven: probably build one using jigdo
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06:46<wqwe>How to get deep infos of a disk, mainly its nand partitions in a tablet
06:46<wqwe>except using fdisk
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06:47<wqwe>!fdisk
06:47<dpkg>fdisk is the name used for several hard disk partition table editor programs for PC compatible computers. Before a hard disk can be used by an operating system on a PC, it must be divided into one or more logical disks called partitions. Ask me about <partitioning>, <gparted>.
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06:47<wqwe>!gparted
06:47<dpkg>GParted is the <GNOME> partition editor, which uses libparted (see <parted>) and other optional filesystem tools. Install the suggested ntfsprogs and dosfstools packages to enable <NTFS> and FAT16/32 support respectively. Consider a <debian-live> image and installing gparted (after boot) as an alternative to the GParted Live CD. http://gparted.sf.net/faq.php #gparted on irc.gnome.org.
06:48<wqwe>!thanks
06:48<dpkg>wqwe: de rien
06:48<wqwe>@In English
06:48<wqwe>!in English
06:48<wqwe>fail
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06:58<wqwe>Am getting an error about gparted at launch , Assertion (metadata_length > 0) at ../../../libparted/labels/dos.c:2313 in function add_logical_part_metadata() failed.
06:58<wqwe>!Assertion (metadata_length > 0) at ../../../libparted/labels/dos.c:2313 in function add_logical_part_metadata() failed.
06:59<wqwe>!check error : Assertion (metadata_length > 0) at ../../../libparted/labels/dos.c:2313 in function add_logical_part_metadata() failed.
06:59*wqwe facepalm
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07:01<wqwe>!get a life
07:01<dpkg>somebody said get a life was #del#
07:01<jm_>can you please stop abusing the bot?
07:01<wqwe>!does not make sense
07:01<wqwe>Yeah sorry
07:02<wqwe>Do you know anything about embedded systems bootloaders?
07:02<wqwe>Or NAND partitioning
07:03<jm_>nope
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07:05<jelly>wqwe: arm based? intel?
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07:05<wqwe>armv7
07:05<jelly>which SoC?
07:06<jelly>vendors tend to reinvent their own partition table format, sometimes
07:07<wqwe>It's actually a tablet, Qualcomm msm8625
07:07<wqwe>2x ARM cortex A5
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07:08<jelly>qualcomm sounds unfriendly. Ask in #debian-arm but don't expect too much
07:09<wqwe>Indeed it is, i almost couldn't find anythign about it
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07:10<wqwe>Just one more thing, is there really a difference between a embedded sys bootloaders and bios bootloaders
07:10<jelly>wqwe: see if there's a channel about msm on freenode network, after you connect there, /msg alis list *msm*
07:11<jelly>it's a completely different world
07:11<wqwe>Well thanks
07:11<wqwe>!thanks
07:11<dpkg>wqwe: my pleasure
07:12<jelly>!botabuse
07:12<dpkg>lay off me you buggerererers!!11!
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07:12<wqwe>!010100010111010010
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07:16<steven>jm_, debian is installing :) Thank you!
07:16<jm_>steven: enjoy
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07:36<talip>hello
07:37<talip>i'm staying at the near of my modem
07:37<talip>because i have lan connectioon
07:37<talip>because my wireless not working :/
07:38<talip>i installed debian 40 min before and at the installation i get error like network driver missing and i put the lan connection and finished installation
07:38<talip>now my wireless not working and waiting help
07:38<jm_>you are most likely missing the firmware required for the wifi card
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07:39<talip>yes but first on the installation i wasnt have internet and debian diddnt find my firmware but now
07:39<jm_>!firmware images
07:39<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
07:39<talip>i have internet connection
07:39<jm_>so just install it
07:39<Brigo>or just add non-free repo
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07:40<jm_>yeah with install it I mean install it using apt
07:40<Brigo>!non-free sources
07:40<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
07:40<talip>i add non-free repo
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07:41<talip>i added this repo to sources.list deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
07:41<Brigo>talip, then apt-get update; and then you have to install the firmware for your wifi
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07:41<talip>you want me to add or change ?
07:42<Brigo>talip, that line is ok.
07:42<talip>but its still not working i make apt-get update
07:42<Brigo>if you have another one with deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main, delete it.
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07:42<talip>oh okay i diddnt delete it
07:44<Brigo>talip, do you know what wifi do you have?
07:45<talip>no
07:45<talip>i dont know
07:45<talip>i make this thing and then apt-get update and upgrade but still my wifi not working
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07:46<talip>http://kopy.io/GjeGc here is my sources.list is it correct?
07:46<Brigo>talip, you still have to install the firmare. Do you know if it is a usb wifi card?
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07:47<jm_>!wifi
07:47<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
07:47<jm_>that wiki page tells you how to identify your device
07:47<talip>okay just a minute
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07:48<Brigo>talip, that sources.list is good enought. :)
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07:49<talip>i have realtek
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07:52<talip>i have realtek but what i need to do now
07:52<Brigo>talip, apt-get install firmware-realtek
07:52<talip>i did it now im going to reboot ?
07:52<Brigo>and then reboot if your are using a desktop environment like gnome, kde, etc.
07:53<talip>yes i'm using gnome
07:53<talip>thanks a lot
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08:08<taliptako>i fixed my wireless problem - thanks
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08:21<taliptako>today my first day with Debian and there is no destkop ? because be used to use destkop always and keep my folder at destkop
08:21<steven>I still have problems installing.. everything went fine until the bootloader setup. Syslog says "configuring grub-installer failed with error code 1"
08:23<steven>it's an UEFI system and the ESP partition is in place. How can I find additional details? Can I attempt a manual grub install (any guide)?
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08:27<blawiz>if i do "apt-get -t jessie-backports install pinta" and it says the newsest version is installed, then there are no available backports for this package?
08:27<Brigo>taliptako, i have it -i am using mate- maybe it is a gnome issue?
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08:28<Brigo>blawiz, or you have already them installed, right
08:28<taliptako>Brigo, look like Mate isnt have cool apperance but :)
08:29<Brigo>taliptako, it is a taste issue :)
08:30<blawiz>damn, so annoying with big bugs in stable >:/
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08:34<taliptako>Brigo, is it easy to install kde ?
08:35<Brigo>taliptako, something like apt-get install kde, so yes, it is :)
08:35<taliptako>Brigo, ohm i want to test it all then :)
08:35<taliptako>try *
08:36<Brigo>taliptako, even easier, isntall tasksel and run it as root from a console
08:37<taliptako>Brigo, can i install kde 5 ?
08:37<taliptako>Brigo, is it stable ?
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08:38<Brigo>taliptako, you can install it, but i have never used it, so i can't tell if it is stable.
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08:40<taliptako>Brigo, how can i install it any documentation ?
08:42<Brigo>taliptako, that's a problem; the documentation is within the packages, mostly
08:42<taliptako>Brigo, okay i did it
08:42<taliptako>Brigo, but its installing kde 4 i think i diddnt chose because
08:44<Brigo>taliptako, mmm, yes, kde in jessie is in version 4, but there is a kde-plasma-desktop package wiht version 5. I am a bit lost, as i said, i have never used them.
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08:46<taliptako>Brigo, its will not make my computer slow ? installing more destkop env..
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08:46<Brigo>taliptako, no, you can only use one at a time, it will use more disk, that's all.
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08:47<taliptako>Brigo, okay thanks :)
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08:48<Brigo>taliptako, yw :)
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08:57<taliptako>How can i install nvidia driver simply
08:57<abrotman>taliptako: check the debian wiki
08:58<abrotman>dpkg: tell taliptako about nvidia
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09:00<Brigo>taliptako, apt-get install nvidia-driver
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09:01<taliptako>okay i'm following steps on debian wiki
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09:03<chele>,v nodejs
09:03<judd>Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; sid: 4.2.6~dfsg-1; stretch: 4.2.6~dfsg-1; experimental: 5.5.0~dfsg-1
09:03<chele>no backports for jessie?
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09:23<PovAddict>can I start screen with two split windows and run different commands on each, programmatically?
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09:30<nirvanet>hello there, need help with mvp, want to use it have no X installed atm ^^
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09:30<nirvanet>and thx for this chan some days someone helped me a lot to install debian on a g4 ppc !
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09:31<nirvanet>everything is working, now Im trying to use MVP but got some problems about -vso possibilities and to use X (xcommon is installed and dont know what to do now to make mpv working
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09:38<PovAddict>ok, I got something working with screen -c and a temporary script file
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09:44<PovAddict>now the only thing missing is that when a command ends, I want to either close the split window, or leave the contents in it
09:44<PovAddict>blanking it makes no sense, waste of terminal space
09:45<steven>I'm at the install bootloader step of the netinst setup, but GRUB fails to install (on an EFI, system. I created EFI partition.) Any help?
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09:50<nirvanet>I installed x-common, xorg I typed startx then I could see xterm but I can't type in it 0.o
09:50<nirvanet>so I suppose I can't watch video with mpv in the other terminals with no started X
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09:58<steven>is there at least a log I can check?
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10:01<taliptako>i get error after installing nvidia driver and i make control alt f1 and remove all nvidia packages
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10:03<Aditya>How do i check dependencies for a debian file i have downloaded
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10:11<Brigo>Aditya, files has not dependencies, only packages.
10:11<jeep>Aditya: dpkg -i foo.deb
10:11<PovAddict>Aditya: what is a "debian file"?
10:11<PovAddict>jeep: that installs it
10:13<jeep>Aditya: sorry capital i
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10:13<grove>Aditya: `dpkg-deb -I foo.deb` shows dependencies (along with other information) without trying to install it
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10:14<Aditya>Ok
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10:14<Aditya>I will give it a try
10:14<Aditya>Thnx
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10:15<Aditya>Sorry for being a complete noob
10:15<Aditya>But how do i uninstall iceweasel
10:15<PovAddict>apt-get remove iceweasel
10:16<blast007>Aditya: what browser are you using instead of iceweasel? Chromium?
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10:17<Aditya>Firefox
10:17<Aditya>Latest one
10:17<blast007>you realize that Iceweasel is Firefox, right? :)
10:17<Aditya>I know iceweasel is firefox rebranded
10:17<Aditya>I M not new to linux
10:17<PovAddict>then why do you care about the logo?
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10:17<blast007>and you can get a newer version of iceweasel
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10:17<Aditya>I am new to debian family
10:17<blast007>http://mozilla.debian.net/
10:18<Aditya>Iceweasel is always a version or two behind from firefox
10:18<PovAddict>see link ^
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10:18<taliptako>i'm getting this error "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
10:18<taliptako>"
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10:18<taliptako>on this command sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver libvdpau1/jessie-backports
10:19<blast007>Aditya: Iceweasel 44 is available for Debian Jessie from the link I gave you
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10:20<blast007>(or even the beta or aurora versions if you prefer)
10:20<markybob>blast007, i don't think so. i think that's 43 unless it just changed
10:20<blast007>markybob: shows 44.0 packages in their pool
10:20<PovAddict>44 is definitely in there
10:21<PovAddict>http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/jessie-backports/iceweasel-release/binary-amd64/Packages confirmed
10:21<Aditya>Thnx for the info
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10:23<taliptako>anyone to help me ?
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10:26<taliptako>anyone to help me ?
10:26<blast007>taliptako: if you're trying to install those from jessie-backports, you need to use 'apt-get -t jessie-backports' followed by the package names
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10:26<PovAddict>taliptako: not with the info you gave
10:26<PovAddict>you probably have some broken package before you even install those
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10:26<taliptako>i try to fix from synaptic
10:26<blast007>!bat
10:26<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for ALL packages involved, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
10:27<PovAddict>what about... aptitude search '?broken'
10:28<taliptako>yes 3 packages showing
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10:28<taliptako>http://kopy.io/fMIWu
10:28<PovAddict>there we go, you need to get that fixed before you even try installing anything new :)
10:28<taliptako>i want the install this three packages
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10:31<taliptako>how can i uninstall this three packages
10:32<PovAddict>apt-get remove packagename1 packagename2...
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10:33<taliptako>but its not working because i think i dont know true package names
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10:34<taliptako>PovAddict, ?
10:35<PovAddict>ah aptitude truncated them
10:35<taliptako>what
10:36<taliptako>yes how can see full packages name
10:36<PovAddict>try: aptitude search --disable-columns '?broken'
10:37<taliptako>Package 'nvidia-legacy-304xx-alternative' is not installed, so not removed
10:37<taliptako>i'm getting this notice
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10:40<Aditya>Synaptic shows gdebi installed
10:40<Aditya>How do install packages using gdebi
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10:46<Brigo>Aditya, gdebi package.deb
10:47<Aditya>Isn't their a gui tool?
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10:49<taliptako>PovAddict, now i dont have broken packages
10:49<taliptako>but still i'm getting error
10:49<PovAddict>Aditya: gdebi *is* a gui tool
10:50<Aditya>Ok
10:50<Aditya>Thnx
10:50<taliptako>"nvidia E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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10:51<taliptako>http://kopy.io/XluIG
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10:52<taliptako>PovAddict, can you take a look this http://kopy.io/XluIG
10:52<PovAddict>[12:26] <blast007> taliptako: if you're trying to install those from jessie-backports, you need to use 'apt-get -t jessie-backports' followed by the package names
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10:54<taliptako>i dont understand
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10:55<taliptako>sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver libvdpau1/jessie-backports i'm using this command
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10:55<PovAddict>sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver libvdpau1
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10:57<taliptako>works thanks
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11:16<taliptako>my pc getting black screen after install nvidia always :(
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11:17<taliptako>and i make control alt f1 and delete all nvidia packages its wroking again
11:17<taliptako>what should i do now ??
11:17<towo`>taliptako, because you do it wrong? or you have an optimus setup?
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11:18<taliptako>sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver libvdpau1/jessie-backports
11:18<taliptako>
11:18<taliptako>i just run this command
11:18<towo`>that is totaly wrong
11:18<taliptako>and this Create a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nvidia-non-free.list
11:18<towo`>and again, what hardware you have?
11:18<taliptako>nvidia gt635m
11:18<retrospectacus>are you sure you didn't run what PovAddict said?
11:18<towo`>that's usualy optimus
11:18<markybob>!bumblebee
11:18<dpkg>The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net.
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11:19<taliptako>you want me to install bumblebee
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11:20<markybob>i don't want you to do anything. you do what you want.
11:20<towo`>i would like to see lspci | egrep -i "3d|display|vga"
11:20<taliptako>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
11:20<taliptako>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108M [GeForce GT 635M] (rev a1)
11:20<towo`>as i sayed, optimus
11:20<markybob>yep, optimus.
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11:21<towo`>so use bumblebee or use intel only
11:21<taliptako>yes i know i have optimux but i dont know what should i do if i have optimus
11:21<markybob>taliptako, did you read what the bot said? the wiki it linked to?
11:21<taliptako>okay i'm going to install bumblebee
11:21<taliptako>but i learned it now
11:21<taliptako>i wasnt know
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11:26<taliptako>what about this http://kopy.io/VEvYh
11:27<towo`>this is saying, you are not using debian
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11:28<retrospectacus>or you have not contrib and non-free enabled, perhaps
11:29<towo`>all the packages, which are not installanble, are ubuntu-packages-names
11:29<towo`>oh, the 1st three are debian packages
11:29<taliptako>weird
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11:30<towo`>but then retrospectacus is right, missing non-free
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11:31<taliptako>towo, here is my sources.list http://kopy.io/ivxJm
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11:32<taliptako>why i have two http :D
11:32<towo`>taliptako, apt-cache policy nvidia-driver is saying what to you?
11:33<taliptako>http://kopy.io/EpQZI
11:35<taliptako>towo, here is towo
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11:37<retrospectacus>you have an unstable source. Have you ran "apt-get update" recently?
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11:37<taliptako>no
11:37<taliptako>i'm going to ran
11:37<grove>Who can update /topic to mention 8.3 instead of 8.2?
11:37<retrospectacus>it should be run any time you edit sources.list
11:38<taliptako>no its still continue
11:38<retrospectacus>taliptako: please show us your files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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11:39<towo`>such stable/unstable mix is out of support and also known as frankendebian
11:39<taliptako>its empty
11:39<taliptako>i have sources.list
11:39<retrospectacus>taliptako: "apt-cache policy" then
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11:40<markybob>taliptako, that explains a lot. but stable/unstable mix isn't supported. you may have better luck in #debian-next on irc.debian.org
11:40<taliptako>http://kopy.io/gxrLB
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11:41<markybob>taliptako, yep you done fucked up
11:41<taliptako>i'm using jessie
11:41<markybob>taliptako, with unstable sources. you need to understand that
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11:42<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell taliptako about frankendebian
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11:42<retrospectacus>taliptako: fully upgrade to unstable, or reinstall stable and start over (and read and heed that frankendebian page)
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11:43<taliptako>i'm trying to figured out why i'm have unstable packages
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11:44<retrospectacus>sorry. I am thinking of this page: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
11:44<markybob>taliptako, you probably followed some stupid wiki/blog that led you down the wrong patch
11:44<markybob>path*
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11:46<taliptako>but i dont think that i install unstable system packages
11:47<taliptako>i think my system all have stable packages
11:47<retrospectacus>taliptako: remove that source and update, then try and install the bumblebee. See what happens
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11:48<taliptako>okay i just did this guysss
11:48<taliptako>Create a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nvidia-non-free.list with the following content:
11:48<taliptako>i remember
11:48<taliptako>https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
11:49<taliptako>am i need to reinstall stable debian still ?
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11:52<markybob>that's a terrible wiki. i should fix that
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11:53<markybob>taliptako, if you don't have anything important on it it would be the quickest solution. you can troubleshoot this for hours or have it fixed in 30min with a reinstall
11:53<taliptako>here is http://kopy.io/GgV51
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11:53<aditya>how to add a user to sudoers fils
11:54<aditya>*file
11:54<markybob>aditya, visudo
11:54<markybob>!tell aditya about visudo
11:54<taliptako>i'm getting this error on install now ? http://kopy.io/GgV51
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11:54<aditya>i have no idea
11:54<taliptako>i write y but its abort
11:54<retrospectacus>aditya: the robot told you in a private message
11:54<markybob>aditya, i just told you. the bot gave you even more info
11:56<taliptako>markybob, i just install nvidia driver with this unstable repo are you sure that i need to reinstall ?
11:56<taliptako>i install debian 1 hour ago
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11:58<taliptako>oh okey script now working
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11:59<aditya>thnx markybob
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11:59<markybob>aditya, keep in mind you need to log out and then back in for it to take effect
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12:03<trico>the documentation says the adm group is for reading logs, but does it have access to anything else?
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12:13<trico>nvm, i think i found my answer: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemGroups
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12:31<taliptako>i'm installed the bumblebee and nvidia icon come to my launcher
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12:31<taliptako>now i'm You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
12:31<taliptako>am i need to do this thing ?
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12:31<taliptako>or its working i dont need to do anything
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12:35<taliptako>???
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12:41<franciskittu>Hi, I'm afraid I've made a behemoth mistake. I have the 4.2 bpo kernel and I've installed bumblebee 'cause I've a geforce gtx 950m with everything working but the nvidia card. Today, with the recent updates in nvidia support I've also installed nvidia-driver and libvdpau1 from the backports hoping to have eventually the discrete card properly working. But now I'm not able to start GNOME3...
12:42<franciskittu>is there anyone who can kindly help me?
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12:43<mtn>franciskittu: do you have intel and nvidia in this laptop?
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12:43<franciskittu>yes
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12:43<mtn>franciskittu: did you follow the debian wiki?
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12:44<franciskittu>mtn: yes, I followed the debian graphics nvidia wiki.
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12:44<franciskittu>I've installed nvidia-driver from the unstable reps and libvdpau1 from the backports
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12:45<mtn>franciskittu: ok, just clarifying. can you reverse what you have done to break it?
12:46<franciskittu>mtn: I've just removed all the packages installed, without success
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12:46<mtn>franciskittu: have you removed the .conf file that was created?
12:46<franciskittu>mtn: no.
12:46<mtn>franciskittu: so it is still trying to use the nvidia driver
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12:47<franciskittu>mtn: Do you know where this file could be located?
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12:48<mtn>franciskittu: and nouveau may be blacklisted, too. the .conf will be in /etc/X11 or a subfolder
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12:49<franciskittu>mtn: so I must search and destroy that file, right?
12:49<mtn>franciskittu: well, you might want to rename it instead of deleting it, but yes. just change .conf to .conf.bak
12:50<franciskittu>mtn: thanks, I'm searching it
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12:52<franciskittu>mtn: I've only the Xwrapper.config file
12:53<mtn>franciskittu: did you look in sub folders, too?
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12:55<franciskittu>mtn: I tryed exploring the subdires and then I scanned with find /etc/X11 -name "*conf*" -type f
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12:57<mtn>franciskittu: in a terminal: ls -l /etc/X11 please paste it to dpaste.com and give us the link
12:57<taliptako>i want to kde 5 on jessie
12:58<mtn>taliptako: good luck with that. it is not in jessie
12:58<taliptako>hm :D
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13:05<franciskittu>mtn: I'm sorry but I'm not able to paste the required command without graphics. I can list the directories to you. they are 8.
13:05<mtn>franciskittu: ok, put them in one line, not several
13:06<franciskittu>app-defaults, fonts, xinit, xkb, xreset.d, xresources, Xsession.d, xsm
13:06<Brigo>franciskittu, use http://termbin.com/
13:07<Brigo>franciskittu, you can use gpm package to get mouse console support.
13:07<Miro>http://training.gnun.net/
13:07<Miro>getCheck()
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13:08<mtn>franciskittu: and no .conf file in /etc/X11, right?
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13:10<franciskittu>mtn: right. just Xwrapper.config
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13:11<mtn>franciskittu: ok, look in /etc/modprobe.d anything in there that mentions blacklist?
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13:13<franciskittu>mtn: yes. fbdev-blacklist.conf, nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf
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13:13<mtn>franciskittu: delete the one that mentions nvidia
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13:13<mtn>franciskittu: reboot and test
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13:14<Brigo>franciskittu, make a backup of the file, just in case.
13:14<franciskittu>mtn: ok, thank you for your support. I'll be back soon.
13:15<franciskittu>Brigo: Ooops...
13:15<Brigo>franciskittu, we will hope for the best :)
13:15<franciskittu>:)))
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13:18<franciskittu>mtn: still not working...
13:18<mtn>franciskittu: sorry. out of ideas
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13:19<franciskittu>mtn: no problem. thank you for your support! :)
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13:21<Brigo>franciskittu, you should be using nouveau driver, i think. Can you check if the kernel driver is loaded?
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13:22<franciskittu>Brigo: I can see from the /etc/modprobe.d/bumblebee.conf that there is the line "balcklist nouveau"
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13:23<Brigo>franciskittu, then comment it and reboot. Let's see :)
13:24<Brigo>It looks like nobody likes nouveau :(
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13:25<franciskittu>Brigo: I tried to do an experiment, because essentially I don't need this NVIDIA card
13:25<franciskittu>Brigo: But i'm not ready for these experiments...
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13:29<franciskittu>Brigo: still not working...
13:30<Brigo>is the nouveau driver loaded?
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13:30<franciskittu>I think that I don't need any nvidia driver loaded because I want to run on the integrated video card
13:30<franciskittu>and there isn't any error from dmesg
13:31<franciskittu>and bbswitch says that it disabled the Optimus nvidia card, as always
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13:35<franciskittu>Brigo: no.
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13:36<franciskittu>Brigo: but I have i915
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13:36<Brigo>franciskittu, try to load it.
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13:48<franciskittu>Brigo: when I type modprobe nouveau it remain in processing a lot
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13:49<towo`>with free drivers, no one should install bumblebee
13:49<towo`>the nvidia card can be used easy by dri offloading
13:50<towo`>it the card is supported by nouveau
13:51<towo`>s/it/if
13:52<franciskittu>towo`: i checked the fact that my card was not supported 4 months ago
13:53<towo`>then why you want to load the nouveau kernel module?
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13:53<franciskittu>because a user suggested that I should
13:53<towo`>it's useless
13:54<towo`>you can use the nvidia card with bumblebee and binary blob
13:55<towo`>if bumblebee is installed correct, you can do optirun %command%, then the output of %command% would be rendered on the nvidia card
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13:56<franciskittu>towo`: ok, I didn't have the nvidia driver installed before, I tried today. Previously I had only bumblebee and the command optirun gl.... didn't give a result
13:56<towo`>the better way would be primusrun, but i don't know if debian stable is providing primus
13:57<franciskittu>towo`: but everything worked fine
13:57<blast007>primus is packaged for jessie (and wheezy-backports)
13:58<franciskittu>towo`: after the installation of nvidia-driver and libvdpau1 from backports I am not able to run a DE
13:58<franciskittu>yes, I have primus installed
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13:59<blast007>franciskittu: and 'bumblebee-nvidia'?
13:59<franciskittu>at startup bbswitch recognises an NVIDIA card and disables it
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13:59<blast007>(well, probably not, since you don't have the nvidia drivers)
13:59<franciskittu>I tryed later, but there are corrupted dependencies
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14:02<franciskittu>from dmesg it seems alright.
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14:03<franciskittu>exept this: ACPI Warning: \_SB_.PCI0.RP05.PEGP._DSM: Argument #4 type mismatch - Found [Buffer], ACPI requires [Package] (20150619/nsarguments-95)
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15:33<taliptako>hello
15:34<taliptako>i want to show destkop corner
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15:40<taliptako>anyone ?
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15:56<RedArmy90>taliptako: What do you mean by that? also what kind of Window Manager are you using? (GNOME/XFCE/etc?)
15:56<grove>taliptako: What do you mean by "show destkop corner"?
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15:58<taliptako>how can i install gnome extansions ?
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15:58<taliptako>example i want to install this https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/442/drop-down-terminal/
15:59<taliptako>and my other thing have extansion there
15:59<RedArmy90>Assuming that you have GNOME installed, simply go to that link using Iceweasel
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15:59<RedArmy90>There should be a button that appears on the site that will allow you to install the extension directly from the browser
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16:00<taliptako>hmmm
16:00<RedArmy90>You may have to grant it permissions but I think that as long as you use HTTPS and trust the site then you should be reasonably secure
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16:00<RedArmy90>Yeah there is a button at the top of the page that prompts you to either allow or keep blocking
16:01<RedArmy90>"Gnome Shell Integration"
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16:01<RedArmy90>If you click "Allow" and reload the page it will show the button to install the extension
16:01<taliptako>okay i did thanks
16:01<RedArmy90>Also consider looking through the Tweak tool
16:01<taliptako>yes
16:01<RedArmy90>you're welcome, have fun!
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16:23<Ruttolo>Hello, I'm trying to install libgtk2.0-0:i386 on a 64-bit jessie system, but I can't do it since it depends on libgnutls-deb0-28:i386 which breaks libgnutls-deb0-28. What should I do?
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16:27<xubuntu>ciai
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16:30<zishy>how do i find out what partition debian is running on? (8
16:30<taliptako>there is nothing show desktop hot corner in gnome extansion or i diddnt find it
16:31<taliptako>i want when my pointer come bottom left shows destkop
16:31<mtn>zishy: open Disks, if you have it. also could use gparted or the command line
16:32<zishy>i have 2 logical volumes that are clones and im not sure which disk is being used right now :(
16:32<mtn>zishy: in a terminal: lsblk
16:33<zishy>i asume mountpoint / is the mounted disk :)
16:33<mtn>zishy: yes
16:33<zishy>thank you <3
16:33<zishy>seriously i could shoot myself
16:33<mtn>welcome
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16:34<taliptako><taliptako> there is nothing show desktop hot corner in gnome extansion or i diddnt find it
16:34<taliptako><taliptako> i want when my pointer come bottom left shows destkop
16:34<zishy>i just spend 2hours switching out controllers and doing full disk backups just to find out that plugging a disk from 1 sas controller into another sas controller made no difference to this proliant server
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16:34<zishy>it detected the logical volume and booted without a hitch
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16:41<taliptako>i need help
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17:29<taliptako>hello i want to add new screen hot corners
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17:46<RedArmy90>taliptako: I think the GNOME Tweak Tool should allow you to do this
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17:48<taliptako>no
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17:48<taliptako>i take it look gnome tweak tool
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19:31<EmleyMoor>Is the "ErrorCount" in smartd a warning of impeding failureL
19:31<EmleyMoor>?
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19:39<themill>EmleyMoor: I've always had the impression that SMART tests were about as useful as a broken clock -- right twice per day but otherwise ...
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19:40<EmleyMoor>I don't think that one's too serious, reading up...
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19:42<petn-randall>themill: IIRC in 2/3 of the cases a disk shows SMART errors before failing, so it's still useful, albeit not a guarantee that a disk is ok.
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19:43<themill>but does it also show SMART errors and then not fail?
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19:57<petn-randall>themill: I can't speak for everyone, but I haven't had that case. At least not for the relevant attributes.
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19:59<markybob>themill, sure. i've had smart errors for months it's still running. so i have backups so it's no big deal if it does
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19:59<themill>that's my experience too -- years of smart errors allegedly indicating imminent failure and no actual failure.
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20:00<at0m|c>these are the good ones. had some fail without smart error too eh
20:01<themill>yeah, so the broken clock analogy is apt
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20:01<at0m|c>and indeed others that worked for years without failing
20:01<at0m|c>yup
20:01<themill>"Here's this metric, it has lots of false positives and lots of false negatives so you should probably ignore it"
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20:11<ryouma>wfm
20:11<ryouma>but that's an n of 1
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21:20<petn-randall>themill: What metrics threw false positives then? Not all attributes make sense to look at, e.g. temperature is not necessarily a problem if it changes.
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21:28<anonymous>hi
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21:32<anonymous>hello
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21:40<storge>hi
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22:09<NobodyHere>Halp! I'm on a jessie system and my lvm filesystems on an md array are not marked as available during boot! This causes a perpetual hang....
22:10<NobodyHere>I'm also unable to get lvmetad to start at boot. systemctl reports: Cannot open lockfile [/var/run/lvmetad.pid], error was [Read-only file system]
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22:31<zenko>i went about this somewhat backwards but i installed debian without a desktop, added X and i3 and it dawned on me that there is no sound
22:32<zenko>one attempt was installing pulseaudio but i'm not sure if i also need alsa or whether it was a configuration that i was missing
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