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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-02-08

---Logopened Mon Feb 08 00:00:10 2016
---Daychanged Mon Feb 08 2016
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02:23<stefan>is there a specific channel for systemd related issues?
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02:25<twb>Yes, #systemd on freenode
02:25<twb>But if it's the distro's fault, they might be super unhelpful
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03:25<luckyuser>hello
03:26<luckyuser>Is anyone interesting to build a new distro together ??
03:26<twb>Probably not.
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03:26<twb>Like forking, creating a new distro is usually an act of last resort - it means you can't work within Debian
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03:26<twb>What's your end goal? Perhaps there is a better way to solve it
03:27<luckyuser>i just hove some amazing design ideas
03:27<luckyuser>*have
03:28<twb>Why can't you do them within Debian?
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04:16<ays>hello
04:17<ays>anyone here?
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04:18<grove>!ask
04:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:31<durm>guys, why xmpp isn't used so widely like amqp for distributed communication?
04:32<duclicsic>better than being stuck in the terminal
04:32<duclicsic>ugh
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06:26<ProximaCentauri>Hi everyone :)
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06:28<ProximaCentauri>I have to install a software that is not in the repositories of Debian. There's no .deb package so I have to build it myself. I installed several dependencies like "build-essential" before installing the software, but when I do the first command ".
06:29<ProximaCentauri>"./configure", I receive this message https://paste.debian.net/379124
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06:30<ProximaCentauri>I installed qt5 (even qt4) packages, but I still have this error message telling me to get at least the 4.8.0 version of Qt :/
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06:31<duclicsic>ProximaCentauri: you may need to install the associated -dev packages
06:33<babilen>Also:
06:33<babilen>dpkg: usrlocal
06:33<dpkg>When hand-compiling software, *always* create a new directory under /usr/local, then install into it. For example: mkdir -p /usr/local/mypackage; ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mypackage. Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: <equivs>, <FHS>, </opt>, <checkinstall>, <stow>, <make your own .deb>
06:33<babilen>dpkg: stow usage
06:33<dpkg>A quick intro to <stow>: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version && make && make install; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. See also <usrlocal>.
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06:37<ProximaCentauri>Ok, thanks ! :). I'll learn about that :)
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06:38<Guest2738>Anyone knows if noatime mount option is enabled by default for ext4 partitions on Jessie?
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06:38<jelly>Guest2738: no, but the very similar relatime is.
06:40<Guest2738>What's the difference? These are not mentioned in man ext4
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06:42<grove>Guest2738: They are described in mount(8)
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06:50<rs2>While updating owncloud i recognized in https://download.owncloud.org/download/repositories/stable/owncloud/ that I have to look at the debian-version. In my actual owncloud.list for apt the Debian_8.0 is listed (and worked fine till now) but cat /etc/debian_version says "7.8".
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06:50<rs2>What is the correct debian-version I use / have?
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06:54<Guest2738>relatime seems like a more stable option, I'll stay on it
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07:45<laughingtiger>hi why mplayer plays ts file abnormally? a/v desyncing? or is there a mplayer channel?thanks
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08:40<lancelot_of>hello
08:40<lancelot_of>is there any alternative to aMule, which is no more in jessie repos?
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08:43<Guest2738>laughingtiger, I believe vlc play it well
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08:46<Guest2738>Can someone explain what this script does besides creating a .desktop file in /.local/share/applications/? http://pastebin.com/3v67RSFh
08:47<Guest2738>Or in other words, how do I do this manually?
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09:00<zishy>hey all of you. im looking for a way to store my emails on my server for future reference. im lost as to what kind of software i need to install on my server to just pull all emails from my provider and have them stored on there
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09:01<lostson>fetchmail ?
09:02<zishy>thats the last thing i looked at..
09:02<zishy>did you use that before?
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09:03<lostson>I have used it before to get my eamil to my machine yes
09:03<zishy>may i query you about this with 2-3 questions?
09:04<lostson>I am no fetchmail guru but I will try to answer
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09:14<crankypuss>anybody seeing slow jerky movement when repositioning large windows on jessie? dell xps13 with 3200x1800 running lxde here.
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09:19<amoe>has "C-c ," stopped working in a recent cider version? It now seems to wait for another keystroke, before it ran all tests for the namespace
09:20<amoe>oops wrong chan
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09:52<Dominik>Hello
09:54<Guest2738>!ask
09:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:02<ant11>Does anyone know the packet sources for wheezy lts?
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10:04<TuxoHolic>ant11, http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ < is that what you are looking for?
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10:05<ant11>TuxoHolic, Yes, Thank You very much
10:06<TuxoHolic>okay, here's another question: how should one restrict igmp multicast traffic to a specific physical interface? Could this be done by configuring the responsible service (which I assume is nmbd) or can it be done using a route add statement?
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10:15<Dominik>I've found an outdated information on Debian website. Where should I report it?
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10:18<TuxoHolic>Dominik, debian wiki or debian website?
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10:22<Dominik>Website: https://www.debian.org/international/Polish/
10:22<Kevin_>how can I tell the debian installer to use a specific network interface or ignore an interface?
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10:40<Dominik>It is a problem with this website: https://www.debian.org/international/Polish/
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10:50<Nedal>hi, I just installed Debian 8, the problem is that I have no graphical user interface. all I have is a terminal. Should I install some graphical desktop environment ?? if it s the case, how to proceed?
10:52<duclicsic>you should install a graphical desktop environment if you want one
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10:52<duclicsic>that's entirely up to you though
10:52<duclicsic>if you want one, the next step would be to decide which you prefer. there are several options, e.g. gnome, kde, xfce
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10:53<Guest2738>Dominik maybe try mailing the debian-user mailing list
10:54<Dominik>Thank you, I'm going to to do it.
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10:57<Nedal>duclicsic, my mistake. when I installed it, i didn t choose graphical install ! can I fix it without reinstalling ?
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11:00<duclicsic>Nedal: yes, you can either install them directly and add whatever applications and components you prefer as you go, or you can run 'tasksel' which gives you the installer options for what software collections to install
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11:12<Nedal>duclicsic, do I have to insert the CD live to run correctly the command ?
11:13<Nedal>duclicsic, actually, I have a dual boot. Debian 8 and Ubuntu 15.10 ! is it a problem ?
11:15<grove>If you did a real install, the live cd should no be needed. And other installions doesn't matter
11:18<Miro>menu for a real install
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11:34<skokiaan>can i stop chromium browser from continually using hard drive?
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11:42<Guest2738>skokiaan, in chromium's settings on the end there's an option to turn off background process
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12:00<xjja>does anyone have the sources from realtek for audio? I was told realtek went out of business and shut down and I do not have the source backup.
12:00<xjja>I just need the tarball
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12:11<roxer__>Hi! i'm having a bit trouble to setup ipv6 on a loopback interface. i have configured /etc/network/interfaces like this: http://pastebin.com/X7GpP0F1 I can ping that static adress on eth0 but not lo:0. I can ping ipv6 adress on lo:0 locally. Any ideas on where i done wrong? Running debian 8
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12:14<NapoleonWils0n>hi all
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12:15<tpham3783>does anyone know how to auto create a changelog update with git-dch?
12:15<NapoleonWils0n>just trying to set up a minimal debian install, should i be using xserver-xorg or xorg
12:15<tpham3783>so, during packaging, i would to auto update the version number from the latest git's tag..
12:16<tpham3783>would=want
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12:16<jelly>dpkg, tell tpham3783 about mentors
12:16<NapoleonWils0n>anyone know which xorg package i should use for minimal install, xserver-xorg-core, xorg or xserver-xorg
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12:20<jelly>tpham3783: vivid doesn't exactly sound like you're packaging for debian <g>
12:21<tpham3783>jelly, yeah, ubuntu, but a derivative of debian
12:23<blast007>!ubuntu
12:23<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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12:26<tpham3783>:-(
12:27<NapoleonWils0n>if i install xserver-xorg do i also need xserver-xorg-core ?
12:28<musca>,depends xserver-xorg
12:28<judd>Package xserver-xorg in jessie/amd64 -- depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.15.0.901), xserver-xorg-video-all | xorg-driver-video, xserver-xorg-input-all | xorg-driver-input, xserver-xorg-input-evdev, libc6 (>= 2.7), xkb-data (>= 1.4), x11-xkb-utils.
12:28<tpham3783>,depends e20
12:28<judd>No package named 'e20' was found in jessie/amd64.
12:29<tpham3783>,depends e17
12:29<judd>Package e17 in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libc6 (>= 2.14), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libecore-con1 (>= 1.7.7), libecore-evas1 (>= 1.7.7), libecore-file1 (>= 1.7.7), libecore-imf1 (>= 1.7.7), libecore-input1 (>= 1.7.7), libecore-ipc1 (>= 1.7.7), libecore-x1 (>= 1.8.0), libecore1 (>= 1.7.7), libedbus1 (>= 1.7.10), libedje1 (>= 1.7.4), libeet1 (>= 1.6.0), libeeze1 (>= 1.8.3), libefreet-bin,
12:29<jelly>NapoleonWils0n: /msg dpkg install x
12:29<judd>libefreet1a (>= 1.7.7), libeina1 (>= 1.7.4), libeio1 (>= 1.7.4), libevas1 (>= 1.7.7), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libxcb-keysyms1 (>= 0.3.9), libxcb-shape0, libxcb1, e17-data (= 0.17.6-1), libevas1-engine-software-x11, libedje-bin, dbus-x11.
12:29<jelly>!msg the bot
12:29<dpkg>Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database.
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12:29<Miro>doenst go ok w/ firmware-realtek ..
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12:33<roxer__>!tell roxer about ipv6
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12:37<siducer287>hi, the application languages under LXDE (including lxpanel) does not change even after the user chooses a specific language_ How to fix that_
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12:43<musca>hello siducer287
12:43<musca>how did you "choose a specific language"?
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12:46<musca>siducer287: I just noticed, we are in the wrong channel. Please /join #siduction and go for their official support.
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13:59<kal-el>hi
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14:03<dvs>You don't need help, Superman!
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14:08<kal-el>help me!
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14:09<kal-el>h e l p m e !
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14:11<sney>kal-el: ask your question and wait
14:12<kal-el>i'm scared
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15:16<baruch>oops, scuse me
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15:21<R4F_Debian>Hi all
15:21<retrospectacus>hi R4F_Debian
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15:23<R4F_Debian>Oh, hello retrospectatus !
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16:24<alumno>hola
16:24<alumno>._.
16:25<petn-randall>!es
16:25<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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16:31<mith_>boa tarde!
16:31<mith_>:P
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16:31<mith_>!pt
16:31<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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16:34<magic_al>Hi, I hope I'm correct in this chat room. I have some problems with an sshfs network mount. Can someone give me a hand with that?
16:35<kenyon>!ask
16:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:38<magic_al>I run an owncloud application on a server. This reseives files transfered with webdav and writes it to disk. It works great. Today I mounted a network storage via sshfs and configured my app to use it as storage. After some files have been uploaded the client fails without an error. No application error also. Changing back to local storrage solves the issue. How can I debug what is going on?
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16:39<kenyon>!sshfs
16:39<dpkg>sshfs is a <FUSE>-based filesystem using <SSH> for securely mounting remote resources. See http://fuse.sf.net/sshfs.html and http://sf.net/apps/mediawiki/fuse?title=SshfsFaq for more information. Remember to add yourself to the 'fuse' group. If you have problems with stale sshfs mounts, set ServerAliveInterval 30 (for 30 seconds) in /etc/ssh/ssh_config or ~/.ssh/config.
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16:49<lindi-_>is fuse group needed with debian 8 anymore?
16:49<lindi-_>kenyon: "Starting with Debian 8 (Jessie) this group is not required anymore." --https://wiki.debian.org/SystemGroups
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16:52<magic_al>Hm fuse group does not exists. Adding ServerAliveInterval to even 15 does not change anything ...
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17:03<ivan_>oihello
17:04<ivan_>hello*
17:04<ivan_>what does it mean when the terminal says sk your administrators
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17:07<markybob>ivan_, what command did you give?
17:07<ivan_>universal
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17:08<markybob>eww
17:08<ivan_>what
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17:18<themill>ivan_: you might need to configure the system to give you access to the hardware
17:19<themill>(for example, if it is a serial device, are you in the dialout group?)
17:21<ivan_>do you mean dialup
17:21<themill>no
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17:22<ivan_>then what do you mean
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19:12<Lemmata>hello, I'm having some issues with a lack of audio in a 64 bit program. Audio used to work, when program was executed as normal user but now it only works when executed through sudo. Any ideas on what this could be or how to diagnose the problem?
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19:16<mtn>Lemmata: might not be related to the sound problem, but when you start apps with sudo, you change file permissions in your home folder
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19:16<Lemmata>mtn: it could be related as a lot of the program's files are located in subdirectories of the home folder
19:17<mtn>Lemmata: you could try this to see if it is a permissions problem: sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /home/$USER/ -R, <user> = your username
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19:22<Lemmata>mtn: so if I understand that command correctly, just replace all instances of $USER with my username yea?
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19:22<Lemmata>mtn: if so it doesn't seem to solve the issue
19:22<mtn>Lemmata: yes
19:22<mtn>Lemmata: ok, just an idea. sounds works in other apps ok?
19:23<Lemmata>mtn: yup, works on all other apps, including 32-bit apps from the same company
19:23<mtn>Lemmata: have you checked their forums/support?
19:24<Lemmata>mtn: yup, the support is... lacking...
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19:25<Lemmata>mtn: and the program functioned previously and hasn't been updated, so I'm thinking it was a Debian update which may have caused an issue
19:25<sp_>hi. was trying to do a netinstall of debian and i got the error that iwlwifi was missing. this with both the regular as well as the non-free netinstall images. how to i install the wireless drivers and get them to work on boot?
19:25<mtn>Lemmata: could be. doesn't seem likely
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19:26<mtn>sp_: iwlwifi is on the install disks from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware
19:27<sp_>mtn it is supposedly on the netinstall images i used too. and i also used the non-free netinstall image which has the drivers, but it still gave the error and no wifi when i installed.
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19:27<sp_>this is a thinkpad x230.
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19:27<mtn>sp_: I just used one of those disks yesterday. worked fine with my intel wireless
19:28<Lemmata>mtn: hmmm, any thoughts on what else it could be?
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19:28<mtn>Lemmata: sorry, no
19:28<Lemmata>mtn: alright, thanks for trying! :)
19:29<mtn>Lemmata: good lucj
19:29<mtn>luck
19:29<sp_>mtn: well, my question is now i have the iwlwifi package installed now, after completing the installation using a wired connection, but how do i make wireless start up on default and connect?
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19:30<mtn>sp_: are you using network manager?
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19:30<sp_>mtn: haven't installed a desktop environment on it yet.. just going to use tasksel to install
19:31<mtn>sp_: desktops will use network manager. it will do it for you
19:31<sp_>mtn: ok
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21:12<astroburger>hi. is there a way to install task-mate-desktop without the libreoffice packages?
21:12<musca>astroburger: yes
21:13<astroburger>musca: Can let me know how? :)
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21:15<musca>astroburger: task-mate-desktop is a metapkg, it just pulls in some other packages
21:15<musca>libreoffice is a recommends, not mandatory
21:17<astroburger>Well, if i choose task-mate-desktop, it just wants to install libreoffice-draw, impress, etc
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21:17<astroburger>don't know how to stop a recommended package from installing ..
21:18<Nemoder>what are you using to install?
21:18<astroburger>was going to use apt-get
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21:19<astroburger>apt-get install task-mate-desktop
21:19<Nemoder>you might get better results running aptitude and selecting what you want from the menus
21:19<astroburger>hm, wait. let me try that
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21:20<astroburger>one more thing.. i am getting bluetooth hci0: firmware: failed to load brcm/BCM20702A1 errors in the terminal. how do i stop it? don't really need bluetooth
21:20<astroburger>first have to install aptitude :|
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21:21<Nemoder>either get the right firmware (probably from non-free) or blacklist the kernel module
21:21<musca>apt-get install tasksel task-desktop mate-desktop-environment lightdm gimp synaptic iceweasel mythes-en-us hunspell-en-us hyphen-en-us network-manager-gnome gnome-orca
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21:22<astroburger>oh, there is another one called mate-desktop-environment
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21:23<musca>astroburger: you still might want to install lightdm
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21:49<lisandro>themill: is the reporter still here?
21:49<themill>it was freenode and yesterday
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21:50<lisandro>oh :-/
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22:26<watrmln>ccccccejlirulcgntliubncchcliccclvhcilcgcftnb
22:26<watrmln>my bad
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