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00:25<abc123>Hello I just got this message in Debian Stable and I cannot understand/find on the Internet what it means: "kernel:[115692.849628] do_IRQ: 0.116 No irq handler for vector (irq -1)". Does anyone have any idea?
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00:42<awal>abc123, when resuming from suspend to disk /ram or during boot?
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01:19<abc123>awal, yes, when resuming indeed.
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01:29<awal>abc123, one work around is adding pci=nomsi,noaer to your grub_cmdline
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01:34<abc123>awal, what is that exactly? Is there a page I can read about this?
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01:37<awal>abc123, just edit the file /etc/default/grub and go to the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT and add that
01:38<awal>your line should be ----» GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet pci=nomsi,noaer"
01:39<awal>quiet should be by default there yet
01:40<abc123>awal, OK, thanks I will follow up on this.
01:40<abc123>Thank you for the pointers.
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01:42<awal>abc123, after making that change, DON'T forget to run update-grub
01:42<awal>a reboot is needed
01:44<awal>abc123, sound like you are not familiar with that kind of stuff
01:47<awal>open a terminal, log in as root (su + rootpassword), then execute nano /etc/default/grub or use another text editor, the one provided by your desktop environment, make the changes, save, execute update-grub (always as root) then reboot
01:47<awal>I can't be more explicit then that :)
01:48<abc123>No, it's OK. Thank you for being particular.
01:49<awal>if that workaround doesnt solve your problem, just remove the changes you made in the mentioned file
01:49<awal>thats all
01:49<abc123>Yes, I would make a backup anyway.
01:51<awal>abc123, pci=nomsi,noaer
01:51<awal>no spaces ^
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01:54<abc123>yeap, sure.
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01:58<abc123>awal, thanks again. Have a good day!
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01:59<awal>abc123, ciao
01:59<beaver>hello
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02:58<twb>What update-* script updates /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache ?
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03:11<twb>https://wiki.debian.org/MIME says update-desktop-database
03:11<twb>And of course I'm only using update-mime-database, so XFCE completely ignores my .desktop files.
03:11<twb>mailcap was never this dumb, grumble grumble.
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03:14<jm_>sources.debian.org suggested update-mime-database, but I don't have that and the file still exists so ...
03:14<twb>jm_: they do separate jobs
03:15<twb>update-mime-database compiles .xml files into a glob and globs2 (key/value list, weighted key/value list).
03:15<twb>They associate file extensions with MIME types --- because of course libmagic1 would be too easy
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03:16<twb>Then, to tell the GUI which app to actually use to open a mime type, you put that in /usr/share/applications/Orgazmatron2000.desktop, and THEN you run update-desktop-database, because the file manager can't be expected to read all those .desktop files every time it launches!
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03:16<stefan>installing rsync and sysmted wants to restart virtually every running process..
03:17<twb>stefan: possibly the rsync daemon init service confused it?
03:18<stefan>I dont know might be
03:18<stefan>but I've seen it alot
03:18<stefan>systemd wants to restart a bunch of services which seem totally unnecisary
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03:30<Oebele>How to enable numlock on startup? I've been looking to solve this issue for years now :(
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03:32<smhar>greetings
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03:34<jm_>Oebele: have you checked in BIOS?
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03:40<Oebele>jm_: pretty sure I've done that, but I'll check at next reboot (currently on my work PC where I have it as well). I don't have this problem on windows on the same machines by the way.
03:40<jm_>Oebele: I used to use numlockx in the past
03:41<Oebele>jm_: I have tried that a few years ago, but could not get it to work then. I'll give it another try
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03:42<jm_>Oebele: seems to work fine for me still
03:43<Oebele>jm_: ah its in the repo nowadays! At least I can't make a mistake in the startup script then :) I hope this fixes it, thanks.
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03:44<jm_>Oebele: this is for X only, so you'll want to use it in .xsession or DE's startup functionality, not startup as in system startup
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03:45<Oebele>jm_: "The package automatically installs session script to enable numlock on session start." so I don't think I need to do anything other than install the package, actually.
03:46<jm_>Oebele: right you are, I missed /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55numlockx
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03:46<jm_>does gnome still use that though?
03:46<Oebele>jm_: what do you mean with "missed"?
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03:47<Oebele>jm_: and yes, that file exists on my PC now
03:48<Oebele>I'll reboot during next break or something and let you know if it was successful
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03:49<jm_>Oebele: I did dpkg -L and completely missed it listing that file
03:50<jm_>Oebele: how do you start X?
03:50<Oebele>jm_: ah okay
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03:50<Oebele>jm_: pressing the power button on my PC...
03:51<jm_>Oebele: and you use gnome?
03:52<Oebele>yup, Debian 8 with gnome shell
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03:52<jm_>yeah that'll be a good test then
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04:02<Oebele>jm_: weird, the numlock light turned on when I logged in, it's off now, but the keypad works
04:02<Oebele>6543312151357986431547
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04:02<Oebele>accidental demonstration there
04:02<Oebele>anyway it works, thanks
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04:03<jm_>heh strange
04:04<manpreet>i think numlockx sometimes leaves the keyboard light off
04:04<manpreet>have used it myself
04:04<manpreet>laptop has a full keypad with no numlock button
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04:06<willemb>I had a bucnh of packages pinned to backports and now I changed my mind. how do I downgrade all of them together
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04:30<grove>willemb: As a general rule: downgrades aren't supported. If you have a complete list of packages installed from backports (generated from your pinning preferences perhaps), you can try removing backports from your sources and generating a list of versions you want by running `apt-cache policy <package> | grep candidate | <something with perl/sed/awk/...>', and then generate a single apt-get command installing all of those packages in the found versions. I ...
04:30<grove>... have never tried anything like it, and as said: downgrades aren't supported, so (as usual with any help you'll get online): If stuff breaks you get to keep all the pieces
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04:48<willemb>thanks grove
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05:14<guardian>hello, are there toolchain packages available in Debian to let me cross compile a project of mine to armv6 ?
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05:31<satbyy>guardian: i've used gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi and qemu-arm-static
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05:41<RealMurphy>Hi, I'm currently trying to create a debian package for local use, but I struggly with policy-rc.d which denies me starting the service/init script during postinst. So far my google-foo has eluded me, how I can add an exception for my package. Does anyone know of a good read for that?
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05:43<fukra>Hello, I'm new to open source and looking to contribute. Can someone help me around? :)
05:44<jm_>!how can i help
05:44<dpkg>Want to help out with Debian and become more involved in the Debian project? The tools wnpp-alert, rc-alert (both from the devscripts package) and how-can-i-help can provide inspiration on buggy or unmaintained packages that you have installed on your system. Ask me about <wnpp>, <rc-alert>, <devscripts>, <new maintainer guide>. https://debian.org/intro/help
05:44<grove>RealMurphy: I think #debian-mentors is a better channel for that
05:44<fukra>ok, thanks!
05:45<guardian>satbyy_: thanks, giving it a shoot
05:45<jm_>by default /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d does not even exist - who created it?
05:45<RealMurphy>grove: ok, did not want to breach in there as this package will not be useful for Debian proper
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05:45<RealMurphy>jm_: according to /var/lib/dpkg/info: sysrv-rc did create it
05:46<jm_>RealMurphy: what does 'dpkg -S /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d' say?
05:46<RealMurphy>jm_: dpkg-S returns blank, but sysv-rc.md5sums:479a804b338bd3813e8e104eee21cecb usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz
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05:46<RealMurphy>that's what puzzles me a bit
05:46<jm_>RealMurphy: do you have that file or not?
05:46<RealMurphy>uoops, sorry, wrong line
05:47<RealMurphy>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 124 Aug 20 13:28 /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d it's present
05:47<jm_>so who created it?
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05:48<RealMurphy>jm_: that's the question, in there there are only two expections "makedev" and "x11-common" which so far has been dead trails
05:49<jm_>RealMurphy: like I said, there's no such file by default so someone must have created it
05:50<RealMurphy>jm_: I think you are right, (and that's what my findings on the net told me as well), but so far I have no idea who put it there. Time for more digging. Thanks for now!
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05:51<jm_>RealMurphy: can't you tell from its content?
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05:52<RealMurphy>jm_: https://paste.debian.net/379304/ x11-common would be my guess, which would not make any sense at all
05:53<RealMurphy>jm_: (it's a headless server without any X at all)
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05:57<jm_>RealMurphy: probably talk to other people working on this system, to me it looks like they allow makedev and x11-common only and disallow all the rest
05:57<RealMurphy>jm_: indeed :)
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06:00<jm_>well anyway, now you know how to override it for your package
06:00<RealMurphy>yes... possibly just removing it should be sufficient ;)
06:01<jm_>that's one way to do it yes
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06:01<RealMurphy>jm_: Thanks a lot for bringin me back on track
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06:03<jm_>RealMurphy: no problem
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09:09<knoppix_>is there anybody to discuss about something
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09:09<Guest2977>hi
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09:09<Guest2977>hi
09:10<Guest2977>hi to all
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09:12<xcs>hi
09:13<xcs>how to automatically download at startup using anacron tool?
09:14<grove>download what?
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09:14<xcs>download links
09:16<grove>What links?
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09:17<xcs>files
09:17<xcs>similar to download managers
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09:18<blast007>you're going to have to be far more specific about what you're trying to accomplish
09:18<grove>I think anacron is the wrong tool for the job, but you far from specific enough about what you want
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09:22<xcs>i want to use aria2 for download my links when debian start up using anacron. how to do it?
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09:24<blast007>why would you want to download the same thing over and over?
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09:27<xcs>i want to use aria2 for download files from internet when debian start up using anacron (for scheduling). how to do it?
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09:30<grove>xcs: I don't know aria2, but it still sounds like a weird task to mix anacron into
09:30<blast007>xcs: Did you read through 'man anacrontab' ?
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09:34<xcs>aria2 is a network downloader similar to wget
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09:35<xcs>blast007, i was read anacron man page but i don't know how to use it?
09:36<blast007>why would you want to run the same downloads every time you start your computer?
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09:42<xcs>i want to download files from internet when i am sleeping
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10:00<at0m|c>i have a wget cronjob that runs at night, sources from a file with urls that gets purged after the dl's complete
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10:18<em|tue_>Hi Guis, does anyone has a good idea to force umounting an 'lost' mountpoint?
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10:20<xcs>at0m|c, OK, how to do this way?
10:21<markybob>em|tue_, umount -f
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10:26<em|tue_>markybob: tried this ;)
10:27<em|tue_>funny thing is, that /proc/mounts and /proc/self/mounts differ^^
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10:33<em|tue_>luckily it is not a debian problem ;)
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10:39<alumnoanaaa>g
10:39<alumnoanaaa>hia
10:39<alumnoanaaa>gia
10:40<alumnoanaaa>hola
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10:41<markybob>!es
10:41<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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11:18<jay1>On Jessie, things in the system-wide crontab, or via "crontab -e" seem not to be running, with no output in logs, despite cron running and considered
11:18<jay1>"active" by systemd
11:18<jay1>Am I missing something? Do you have to enable crontab somehow on Jessie/systmd?
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11:27<alheimurinn>Are any of you members of your local GNU/Linux users group? There's a group near me, but I'd have to go somewhat out of my way to attend the meetings. I'm wondering if GNULUGs are still worth being a part of.
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11:28<catbehemoth>Hi guys, I am following the guide on debian wiki gmailandexim4, I am trying to redirect all root mail for a gmail account, it seems to work is I mail to root, but if I mail to root@hostname I get the email and also a second mail that says mail delivery error Domain name not found: debian (debian is the hostname of the machine) can anyone tell me how to get rid of this second mail message?
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11:29<Kevin_>I have a computer that's crashing silently very soon after starting init.. if I start a shell as init, it seems to work fine until I exec /sbin/init, after which even sysrq doesn't work. anyone want to help?
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11:30<karol>hi I have a problem with this [[ -f ~/.Xresources ]] && xrdb -merge -I$HOME ~/.Xresources it is not working for me. I have this in .xinirx
11:30<karol>*.xinitrc
11:31<karol>the same command works if I run it in terminal
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11:32<karol>vim ~/.xinitrc
11:32<danielsh>do you get an error message?
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11:32<karol>no
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11:33<karol>it is debian jessie
11:33<danielsh>try changing [[ to [ and ]] to ]
11:34<karol>ok
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11:34<karol>works with [[ and with [
11:35<karol>I mean if i run this in terminal all fine
11:35<karol>looks like .xinitrc not load after i type startc
11:35<karol>*startx
11:35<danielsh>you could put 'date >> /tmp/log' into .xinitrc to check if it's run.
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11:36<danielsh>is .xinitrc executable?
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11:37<karol>-rw-r--r-- 1 karol karol 96 Feb 9 16:36 .xinitrc
11:37<danielsh>... and come to think of it, shouldn't 'xrdb -merge Xresources' be run automatically regardless of dotfiles?
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11:37<danielsh>chmod +x might help
11:37<karol>-rwxr-xr-x 1 karol karol 96 Feb 9 16:36 .xinitrc
11:38<karol>ok going to try - so I will disconnect now
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11:39<karol>hey, tnx working now :)
11:39<danielsh>
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11:40<karol>/tmp/log --> Tue Feb 9 16:38:25 GMT 2016
11:40<karol>tnx I think chmod + fix
11:40<karol>tnx :)
11:40<danielsh>np
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11:42<Pesci_Selvatico>Ehilà?
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11:43<Walakea>i think that since i enabled a systemd unit to set hdparm after suspend, my HDD is getting hotter than before
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11:58<pi__>hi
11:58<retrospectacus>hi pi
11:59<pi__>hi retrospectacus
11:59<pi__>help
11:59<pi__>-help
11:59<blast007>!ask
11:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:00<pi__>sorry I just wanted to go to the help for the commands
12:00<pi__>!ask
12:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:00<blast007>IRC commands start with a /
12:00<blast007>do you have a Debian support question?
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12:00<pi__>yeah I stated "/help" but...
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12:01<EmleyMoor>Is there anything in or for Debian that works like Datakam Player or Registrator Viewer? Basically it plays dashcam footage including showing the position on a map...
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12:05<Walakea>my HDD is suddently becoming 5 °C hotter
12:05<Walakea>i was recently playing with hdparm
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12:17<Chris>hey
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12:17<Chris>anyone?
12:17<EmleyMoor>!ask
12:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:18<musca>EmleyMoor: What?
12:18<Chris>hey
12:18<Chris>sup?
12:18<musca>on-topic only, pls
12:18<Chris>what topic?
12:19<EmleyMoor>musca: What are you asking me "What?" about?
12:19<musca>/topic
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12:19<EmleyMoor>Chris: Debian related questions only
12:19<Chris>ok
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12:20<Chris>what is debian?
12:20<Chris>:P
12:20<Chris>can you plz answer?
12:21<mikegrb>https://www.debian.org/intro/about#what
12:21<musca>the motherload of software freedom http://www.debian.org
12:22<Chris>ok first
12:22<Chris>what can you develop in Debian?
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12:38<jjanvier>hello there
12:38<jjanvier>I'm having a trouble trying to update my testing
12:39<markybob>jjanvier, testing support is on #debian-next as per /topic
12:39<jjanvier>I'm totally unable to upgrade libgnutls-deb0-28 without breaking all my system
12:39<jjanvier>markybob: thanks
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12:43<ivan_>hello
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12:51<ivan_>I need help
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12:52<blast007>!ask
12:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:53<ivan_>how do i extract a package with terminal
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12:53<markybob>ivan_, what kind of package?
12:53<ivan_>zip
12:53<user>hello
12:53<markybob>ivan_, unzip foo.zip
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12:53<ivan_>thx
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12:54<Guest3007>do you speak italian
12:54<markybob>!it
12:54<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:54<ivan_>im at school right now and im talking to you guys
12:54<ivan_>lol
12:54<Guest3007>#debian-it
12:55<blast007>Guest3007: /join #debian-it
12:55<ivan_>why
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12:55<markybob>ivan_, why what?
12:55<ivan_>nvm
12:56<ivan_>gtg talk to u guys later in like 4 hrs
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13:28<Walakea>has anyone idea why my HDD would be getting about 5 °C hotter that usual today? i was playing with hdparm -B yesterday
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13:38<tethra_>what's a sensible way of installing a package noninteractively if it demands you make choices?
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13:39<tethra_>i'm looking at openstack packages, which require settings for dbconfig/mysql, rabbitmq, and various others
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13:45<Kevin_>how can I set up a serial console on debian jessie? it looks like systemd autoconfigures it, but it's doing something wrong and breaking the console output immediately after init starts
13:47<Superdawg>tethra_: export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive to suppress the prompts
13:47<tethra_>Superdawg: i've tried this, but the packages are reported broken by dpkg afterwards
13:48<tethra_>although that's what the docs say, so maybe i'm just doing it wrong
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13:49<Superdawg>tethra_: You may need to use a dpkg-reconfigure after you've put your config in place.
13:49<Superdawg>Not sure without working on it first hand.
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13:51<tethra_>hmm, yeah
13:51<tethra_>i'll give it a go
13:51<tethra_>thanks :)
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14:30<koanhead>I seem to not have an /etc/modules.conf - not sure how I can configure modules (i.e., get scsi_mod to probe all luns) without it
14:33<koanhead>ok, I get it: it's just /etc/modules per `man modules`
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14:41<koanhead>iirc modinfo used to show the values of configuration fields, not just the fields themselves. Am I crazy to think this was the case? Is there any way to retrieve this information?
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14:43<Lemmata>Hello, I'm getting a program which says that libwayland-egl.so.1 is missing. Where is it typically installed?
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14:44<rf>Lemmata: install apt-file and do apt-file search libwayland-egl.so.1
14:45<Lemmata>rf: awesome thanks!
14:45<rf>btw wayland is supported in Debian now? Maybe that program could be "too new" for debian yet
14:45<koanhead>it is in package libwayland-egl1-mesa
14:45<rf>k
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14:51<Lemmata>so I created a symbolic link to /usr/lib so that the program would find it, but now I am getting a wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 error
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14:55<koanhead>modinfo's man page: "modinfo by default lists each attribute of the module in form fieldname : value, for easy reading." But it does not print any values, only field descriptions like "max_luns:last scsi LUN (should be between 1 and 2^32-1) (uint)"
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15:04<Lemmata>nvm looks like I've sorted it
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15:24<koanhead>So it's impossible to ever retrieve the values of kernel module parameters, is that right?
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15:33<koanhead>Well, gee. Thanks for all the help.
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15:50<kaybob>hi!
15:50<kaybob>hi!
15:51<kaybob>hello?
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15:54<kaybob>hello?
15:54<teward>kaybob: it helps to ask a real question
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16:35<veelope>maybe he didnt have one
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16:36<veelope>could my use of dhcp be causing connection issues? my connection resets every day around the same time, and i've only noticed this for about a month now
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16:37<veelope>i contacted the network provider who said it was an issue on my end; i shouldnt be experiencing this
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17:14<Starxman>sup?
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19:43<loveheartjoylove>Wow debian isn't on freenode.
19:43<loveheartjoylove>I am shocked.
19:44<loveheartjoylove>Oh by the way, my hair is the bestest hair better than everybody elses hair.
19:44<loveheartjoylove>I like to sing that sometimes.
19:44<loveheartjoylove>Oh this is OFTC I know where I'm going.
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19:50<awal>loveheartjoylove, yes it's ther :P
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19:54<abrotman>loveheartjoylove: have you tried #debian on irc.freenode.net ?
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20:00<loveheartjoylove>No I use irc.ubuntu.com because I figure ubuntu had the resources to offer in exchange for being a dick with their distro name as the URL. I figure the load on their server is better
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20:01<loveheartjoylove>I guess that isn't very loving of me.
20:02<sney>irc.ubuntu.com is just an alias for chat.freenode.net anyway
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20:06<abrotman>brilliant ..
20:06<abrotman>loveheartjoylove: Do you need help with Debian? This isn't a social channel
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20:07<goonieb>hello, I need help with debian, my computer randomly suspends
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20:07<goonieb>like once every 5 to 15 minutes or so
20:08<sney>what debian version? I heard something about a udev issue in testing/sid with similar symptoms
20:09<goonieb>hello sney, it is jessie with backports and 4.2 kernel -though 3.16 gives the same bug
20:09<sney>hmm
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20:10<goonieb>sney, got them in my /log/pm-suspend.log
20:10<goonieb>I tried to remove every package related to power, reinstalling only the min
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20:15<goonieb>sney, well it seems like it finally worked or so... ormaybe it will power down later
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20:20<goonieb>sney, ok, maybe deinstalling all the pm packages did the trick ---for now, tthank you anyway
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21:19<ashe>hello
21:19<sney>hi
21:20<wk4>Greetings
21:20<ashe>:P
21:20<wk4>Ashe, where is that name from? It sounds familiar.
21:21<ashe>como estan
21:22<markybob>!es
21:22<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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21:23<wk4>Ah, League of Legends. Ashe is the archer character.
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21:37<alheimurinn>Hi everyone! :-)
21:37<wk4>Hello
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21:38<alheimurinn>Are any of you members of your local GNU/Linux users group? There's a group somewhat near me, but I'd have to go out of my way a bit to attend the meetings. Are GNULUGs worth it?
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21:39<wk4>I don't even know if there is one near me. Is there a site we can check to see?
21:39<alheimurinn>I don't think so. I just searched the web for '<my location> gnu linux users group' and found one.
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21:40<wk4>Sounds like it would be worth it to me. I would personally drive up to an hour.
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21:42<alheimurinn>Yeah, I'm probably going to attend a few meetings and see how I like it. I was just curious to know what other people thought of them. I've heard they're not like they used to be.
21:42<wk4>You should attend them.
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21:43<alheimurinn>My local users group has an install fest coming up. I'm excited about going because I've never been able to properly set up full disk encryption on my machine, for some reason. I can install Debian without any issues otherwise, at least.
21:43<wk4>I just searched for one near me. They met once last May. The entire state group hasn't been active since 2010. You should feel lucky to be near one!
21:44<alheimurinn>Haha, that does make me feel lucky! You must live in a pretty sparsely populated area. I think when I checked there were about 3 or 4 within driving distance of me.
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21:44<wk4>Jump on that train then. Go represent Debian and make fun of at least 1 Fedora person.
21:45<wk4>Fedora people are so touchy =P
21:45<markybob>alheimurinn, wk4 you guys should move this to #debian-offtopic
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21:46<alheimurinn>markybob: Oops, sorry. This is my first time on IRC!
21:46<wk4>Same here lol. Consider myself moved.
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21:47<storge>alheimurinn wk4 welcome to irc!
21:48<alheimurinn>storge: Thanks! Still trying to figure it out. :-)
21:48<wk4>Thanks! Glad to finally take part in the community.
21:48<storge>if your irc client works right, your name was just highlighted when i said it
21:49<storge>you can turn this feature off in many clients but why would you ;)
21:49<wk4>Well. mine is broken then.
21:49<wk4>Your name is in red though.
21:49<alheimurinn>Neither of our names were highlighted for me. I'm using a browser though, not a desktop client.
21:50<storge>also in most irc clients, if you want to highlight me by name, you can type 'st' or 'sto' and press tab until you see my name. if there are like 5 people all with similar first letters, it will cycle through them
21:50<wk4>Do you recommend any particular client? I grabbed the first on the wiki page. xChat
21:50<storge>oh, using a browser is different
21:50<alheimurinn>Ah, sort of like bash completion?
21:50<markybob>alheimurinn, don't do that. i use hexchat (which is based on and superior to xchat)
21:50<nevyn>irssi > *
21:50<storge>xchat is fine. i like terminal apps so i use irssi. very old.
21:51<alheimurinn>markybob: Are there any serious disadvantages to using a browser?
21:51<storge>hexchat is in my opinion better than xchat
21:51<markybob>alheimurinn, yes
21:51<wk4>Well Hexchat it is. Downloading it now.
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21:51<storge>alheimurinn: well, you can't use some of the privacy features, nor can you run scripts in it. of course, channel owners can and do limit script use in channels as they see fit.
21:51<nevyn>offtopic thos.
21:52<storge>well i'm sure they'll ask a debian question any minute :)
21:52<alheimurinn>Is this channel only for support questions?
21:52<storge>type: /topic
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21:52<markybob>alheimurinn, yes. anything else belongs in #debian-offtopic
21:53<storge>in a channel with a zillion users present, the topic can whiz by as you join
21:53<alheimurinn>Questions relating to the Project belong in #debian-offtopic as well?
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21:54<storge>stable debian is in this channel. testing/unstable questions are in #debian-next. i suppose the rest is in -offtopic
21:55<wk4>What is backports considered?
21:55<markybob>wk4, that's not a well worded question.
21:55<storge>good question. i don't know.
21:55<storge>markybob: i think he means is it considered to be in -next or here
21:55<wk4>Alright. Does backports fall under stable discussion or testing?
21:55<markybob>wk4, oh. then backports is supported here
21:56<storge>thanks, i didn't know that either
21:56<wk4>Haha alright.
21:57<wk4>Next question then: how/where do I file a bug report for a backports package? I've never done it before.
21:57<markybob>wk4, same way you do for every package. run reportbug
21:57<markybob>!reportbug
21:57<dpkg>reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
21:59<wk4>Alright, it tells me that my backport package is out of date but the site says I have the latest. Is that a bug with the bug reporter lol?
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21:59<markybob>wk4, have package and version?
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22:00<wk4>Yeah, let me get some links so you can understand. Should we move this to debian-bugs?
22:01<markybob>wk4, no this is fine.
22:01<wk4>Site: https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/nvidia-driver
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22:02<markybob>damn. i should've guessed. that's why nvidia isn't supported in this channel. it's so fucked
22:02<markybob>!nvidia
22:02<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
22:03<wk4>Oh, it's a minor problem.
22:03<markybob>wk4, i'm still listening. what's the rest?
22:03<wk4>The backports package install headers for kernel 4.3? or 4.0? I'm not 100% at the moment. If you simply have the 3.16 headers the install works without a hitch.
22:04<markybob>wk4, backports has 4.3
22:04<wk4>But if you are missing the 3.16 ones, it will fail to load the graphics on next boot and you are stuck with a black screen.
22:05<wk4>Right, I followed the instructions on: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_352.79_.28via_jessie-backports.29
22:05<wk4>I wanted to use just that package from backports. Not everything.
22:05<storge>current bpo headers look like 4.3.0-foo
22:06<storge>apt-cache policy linux-headers*bpo*
22:06<markybob>wk4, i'm going to let a nvidia user take over. i haven't touched it in quite a few years.
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22:08<wk4>Alright, should I file a bug report based on that though? My presumption is that packages are a one install adventure. It follows the old saying "it just works". Which in this case is not true.
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22:09<wk4>The reportbug problem: http://imgur.com/iLmRISF
22:10<wk4>If it's even a problem?
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22:11<markybob>wk4 you have experimental in /etc/apt/sources.list?
22:11<markybob>wk4, anyway, no, don't file a bug report for that
22:12<storge>are you running experimental?
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22:13<wk4>No experimental. Just "jessie,jessie/updates[security],jessie-updates, jessie-backports".
22:13<markybob>wk4, no bug report
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22:14<storge>you could add experimental, pin it low and just install that from it with -t
22:14<markybob>you could but you shouldn't
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22:14<storge>^
22:14<wk4>Okay, should we update the wiki to let stable users know to have headers?
22:16<markybob>wk4, it says so. "aptitude install linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 build-essential" in https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_352.79_.28via_jessie-backports.29"
22:17<wk4>That's for the site installer section.
22:17<wk4>Not the backports package.
22:17<markybob>wk4, i don't believe the headers are required for backports
22:18<wk4>Yeah, that's what I was saying lol. If you don't have them it boots to a black screen. The backports package gives you the 4.3 headers, but those don't work on stable since it's on 3.16.
22:22<storge>./rollkernel4rc
22:22<storge>oops
22:22<dvs>???
22:22<storge>mistake, wrong window, sorry
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22:28<storge>?
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23:29<alheimurinn>APT is having trouble removing emacs. I accidentally removed /usr/lib/emacsen-common/*. I get an error saying 'dpkg: error processing package emacs24 (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 127
23:29<alheimurinn>Anyone have any idea on how to fix this?
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23:33<lemonman>Hi
23:35<alheimurinn>lemonman, hello! :)
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23:36<lemonman>! :) I'm in New Zealand. Have never seen linux till today. so great
23:36<lemonman>what are you doing on here
23:37<alheimurinn>Ah, I have friend in Auckland. Glad to hear you're using Linux. I'm assuming Debian?
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23:37<lemonman>Yes Debian. You freaked me out but then i saw the channel name lol
23:38<storge>there is a channel for general chat: #debian-offtopic
23:38<storge>i'm wondering what the general social channels are in oftc
23:39<lemonman>stupid question, how do you change channels in irc (currently reading the wiki now)
23:39<storge>usually with a line starting with: /j
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23:39<alheimurinn>Is it really important for us to stick to technical questions when no one else is chatting? Sorry, again, I'm a new IRC user.
23:39<storge>like: /j #debian-offtopic
23:40<storge>and then you are in two channels
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23:40<storge>alheimurinn: it really depends. some channels are very loose in that regard. some are more uptight. it all comes down to the people involved, and who has ops in what channel
23:40<lemonman>that worked, thanks.
23:41<storge>alheimurinn: you will experience across the spectrum variation in channel rigidity.
23:41<lemonman>I need help getting #apt-get working if anyone knows
23:41<alheimurinn>storge, no worries. I was just wondering.
23:41<storge>lemonman: can you be more specific? i can help
23:42<lemonman>I need an inzipper to open install packages that are zipped. I found that if I type #apt-get unzip an unzipper should appear? lol please dont laugh
23:42<lemonman>*unzipper
23:42<storge>lemonman: apt-get is a root (aka superuser) or system command, so in debian for example you will prepend 'sudo' at the front if you use sudo, or login to a terminal as root to execute it.
23:43<storge>lemonman: no, no problem.
23:43<storge>try this:
23:43<storge>apt-cache search unzip
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23:43<storge>you will see many. any of them can be installed with: apt-get install $PACKAGE ...where $package is the name of the software you choose.
23:44<storge>you may need: sudo apt-get install $package ...depending on if you use sudo or not
23:44<lemonman>thanks guys trying this out now
23:44<storge>apt-cache has a lot of ability to help you find software and information about them
23:44<storge>apt-get will do the installing, uninstalling, reinstalling, etc
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23:50<lemonman>ty for help. I'm going to read the Debian manual pertaining to the use of the terminal & its commands.
23:50<storge>lemonman: a good habit is to run 'apt-get update' before you upgrade or install things. the source repos are usually updated at least daily, i think
23:50<storge>lemonman: there is a page online: https://debian-handbook.info/
23:51<storge>lemonman: you can also install this same handbook locally with: apt-get install debian-handbook
23:51<storge>(then you can read it with your browser when offline)
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23:52<storge>lemonman: i believe your debian install will have a gui version of apt or aptitude called ... i forget! i use the terminal almost exclusively.
23:52<storge>synaptic - Graphical package manager
23:52<storge>maybe that's it
23:52<storge>you might have it installed already
23:53<lemonman>sorry I
23:53<lemonman>am a little behind, I have two messages.
23:54<lemonman>reading package lists... done // (// for new line) // building dependency tree // reading state information... done // E: unable to locate package debian-debian // e: unable to locate package handbook//
23:56<storge>one hyphenated package: debian-handbook
23:56<storge>apt-get install debian-handbook
23:57<storge>perhaps run 'apt-get update' first to ensure that sources are using newest software versions
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23:58<lemonman>(facepalm) That worked thanks1
23:58<lemonman>*!
23:58<storge>:)
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23:59<storge>now, you won't 'see' it right away, but if you open your browser tab to /usr/share/doc/debian-handbook/ it's all there. but if you are online, might as well open browser to the weblink :)
23:59<acdimalev>Hmm... debootstrap has been getting some development foot-traffic recently...
23:59<storge>debootstrap - Bootstrap a basic Debian system
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