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00:37<twb>!gfdl
00:37<dpkg>[gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html . See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001
00:39<nevyn>apropo of?
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00:40<twb>nevyn: sorry, discussion in #emacs, re emacs manual
00:40<twb>I should've used /msg
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00:48<anonimous>hey
00:48<anonimous>how install tor-browser in debian 8!? Please
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01:59<ghavil>Anyone have an issue where debian seems to no longer request a dhcp address? I double checked my /etc/network/interfaces and everything looks right
01:59<ghavil>Hmm, the interface is 'Down' after boot...
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02:01<ghavil>Having the 'auto enp7s0' line should bring that up, right?
02:02<twb>ghavil: in jessie?
02:02<twb>ghavil: this changes substantially in stretch
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02:03<ghavil>Yeah actually I'm running strech
02:03<ghavil>What changed?
02:03<twb>systemd does it now
02:03<twb>But you need to talk to #debian-next
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02:03<ghavil>Ah okay I'll shift over there
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02:03<twb>(key words: ifupdown, systemd-networkd)
02:03<ghavil>Cool, thanks twb
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02:05<sauron_>i have vps running centos, i attach a hard with same partition table with my current partition table and i got duplicate pv , my system use /dev/sdb3 instead of /dev/sda3, how can i use /dev/sda3 instead of /dev/sdb3?
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02:06<storge>is there a centos channel?
02:06<twb>!tell sauron_ about centos
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02:06<twb>storge: (yes)
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02:08<ghavil>Ah ha! Totally was me not having a config in /etc/systemd/network/. Victory all good now
02:09<twb>Thanks for letting me know :-)
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02:11<klickback>I'm using Deban Jessie KDE edition in Virtualbox, all updates installed. becoming root in a terminal window and executing any command gives "xprop: unable to open display ':0'" error, although the command i executed works fine
02:11<klickback>this is an example http://pastebin.com/UkPH2rrB
02:12<klickback>the same error does not appear if i'm a non-root user
02:13<klickback>I noticed something else too, becoming root by "su" does not make the error appear, but with "su -", it gives errors
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02:14<twb>klickback: are you trying to run a GUI program as root?
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02:14<klickback>no
02:14<klickback>even typing in "ls" gives the error
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02:14<klickback>as in the pastebin i posted
02:14<twb>That is interesting, because xprop is a GUI utility, and ls should not call it
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02:14<twb>Perhaps it is something in your regular user's .bashrc or so
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02:15<klickback>yeah, and this just appeared out of the blue today, wasn't happening before. this is a week old install
02:15<twb>the - in 'su -' creates a new session for the root user
02:15<klickback>i'll check
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02:15<klickback>yeah, and that's where the error happens
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02:16<klickback>not with "su", but with "su -"
02:16<twb>You might prefer to use sudo/sudo -i instead of su/su -
02:17<klickback>i'll do that, but this is still pretty bizarre
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02:18<twb>xprop is usually used to find out e.g. the name of the current window
02:19<twb>So it could be something like PROMPT_COMMAND
02:19<twb>I'm not aware of any default debian setup that would cause it
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02:21<klickback>"echo $PROMPT_COMMAND" as root gives "preexec_set_exit;preexec_invoke_cmd"
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02:22<klickback>that is, with "su -" root
02:22<klickback>with "su" root, it gives an empty answer
02:22<jm_>extra files get loaded for one of those if your shell is bash
02:23<jm_>so even more things point at shell startup files as twb said
02:23<klickback>i'm using bash, yes, with an unmodiefied bashrc
02:23<twb>Let's just hit it with a hammer
02:23<twb>find / -xdev -type f -exec grep --color -nHF xprop {} +
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02:24<twb>(Also $HOME, I guess)
02:25<twb>ohhhhh, man, it's in all the crappy xdg code
02:25<twb>To try to work out if you're running KDE or GNOME
02:25<twb>e.g. /usr/bin/xdg-icon-resource:482: elif xprop -root _DT_SAVE_MODE 2> /dev/null | grep ' = \"xfce4\"$' >/dev/null 2>&1; then DE=xfce;
02:26<klickback>i'm on kde
02:26<twb>klickback: xdg is shared between all the desktops
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02:26<twb>klickback: but if you run the command yourself, you might see some things I don't
02:27<klickback>i ran the "find / -xdev -type f -exec grep --color -nHF xprop {} +" command and got a hell lot of text output
02:27<klickback>i'll try to find something interesting or pastebin it
02:29<klickback>this is what i got http://pastebin.com/H3uQZBtQ
02:29<klickback>twb: ^
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02:42<klickback>logging in as root in a TTY by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1 doesn't spew out the same errors
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02:44<twb>Sorry, I was working
02:46<twb>OK so startkde looks interesting there
02:46<twb>And pulseaudio
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02:47<twb>Although since DOESN'T "su -" trigger it's it's probably NOT due to pam_systemd, which makes pulseaudio less likely
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02:48<twb>If you put a fake xprop in your path before the real one, you can see how it's being called, which would let you narrow the search
02:48<twb>e.g. echo '>&2 echo "$0" "$@"' > ~/.bin/xprop && chmod +x ~/.bin/xprop
02:48<jm_>that's the hammer I would have used first ;)
02:49<twb>I'm a bit slow :-(
02:50<jm_>together with ps -ejH/pstree
02:51<twb>oh, inside the wrapper?
02:51<jm_>yup
02:51<jm_>to see what started it
02:51<twb>I thought of dumping the process tree, but I couldn't see how to time it right as a coprocess. Doing it in the wrapper is a good idea
02:51<twb>Although I write it like "ps fux" or "ps faux" :P
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02:51<twb>easy to remember
02:52<twb>klickback: did you follow all that?
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02:53<jm_>ahh I see why I was never able to find that in the man page, f is not the same as -f :)
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03:01<klickback>doing it right now
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03:01<klickback>sorry, was eating
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03:03<klickback>twb: i assume i should run that echo command as root?
03:03<twb>um, dunno
03:04<twb>you'll probably need to adjust to taste
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03:07<klickback>twb: im afraid you'll have to guide me a bit here
03:08<twb>klickback: OK so the goal is to make whatever is running xprop, see your pretend xprop instead of the real one
03:08<klickback>alright
03:08<twb>klickback: so assuming it's happening as root, you need to look at the $PATH, and pick a dir in there that is before the real xprop (see "which xprop"), then put your script there and make it executable
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03:10<klickback>ok, so lets say i create i create a dir called ".bin" in /root
03:10<klickback>and touch xprop there
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03:13<twb>& chmod +x it
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03:13<klickback>yes, so i'm getting "/root/.bin/xprop -root _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW"
03:14<klickback>along with the usual "/root/.bin/xprop -root _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW"
03:14<twb>OK so now you can refine your search, because you know what the query is
03:14<klickback>yeah
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03:14<twb>Also you can use "ps faux >&2" in the wrapper to see the process tree when it's called
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03:15<twb>Grrrr. I wish package sizes were in bytes instead of kB
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03:18<klickback>twb: so this is my ~/.bin/xprop file
03:19<klickback>>&2 echo "$0" "$@"
03:19<klickback>ps faux >&2 | grep xprop
03:19<klickback>but all this does is print out the whole process tree
03:20<jm_>because of the redirect
03:20<musca>the output is before the pipe
03:20<twb>(ps faux|grep -9 xprop) >&2
03:20<klickback>oh
03:20<twb>If you really care about the details, you can have a chat with the grouches in #bash on freenode
03:22<klickback>yeah, this output is better
03:22<klickback>this is what im getting http://pastebin.com/pWCpP10L
03:23<klickback>for some reason I have like 6 instances of branched "su -"
03:24<musca>maybe some weird alias?
03:24<klickback>root's bashrc is completely blank
03:25<twb>That's probably because they're not being reaped properly
03:25<twb>Ah, they're chained? Maybe you're not exiting properly
03:25<klickback>not exactly blank, but some commented out aliases
03:25<klickback>by default
03:26<klickback>twb: see the pastebin
03:26<klickback>they're chained
03:26<klickback>and indented
03:26<twb>yeah that's because one is a child of the other
03:26<twb>Let me show you a typical ps f tree
03:27<twb>http://sprunge.us/LZKh
03:28<twb>You can see the ps chained off ssh
03:28<klickback>yeah
03:28<klickback>but 6 su commands chained is weird
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03:39<twb>If you drop a .woff in ~/.fonts and fc-cache, does it Just Work?
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03:47<musca>klickback: did you repeat your find command for "xprop -root _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW"?
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03:48<musca>or only "_NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW"
03:49<twb>musca: that'll likely get too many hits on its own
03:49<twb>What makes me facepalm is the XDG scripts aren't even passing -notype to xprop.
03:50<klickback>musca: that's what im doing right now
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03:50<klickback>i think i found it
03:51<klickback>it's a program i installed and forgot about called undistract-me
03:51<klickback>found this "/usr/share/undistract-me/long-running.bash:32: set - $(xprop -root _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW)"
03:51<klickback>i think i should just uninstall it since it never worked anyway
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03:52<twb>Sounds promising
03:52<twb>That should be set -- not set -
03:52<jm_>so it was via bash just from /etc and not ~
03:53<klickback>that was it, although i have a new error now
03:53<klickback>-su: /usr/share/undistract-me/long-running.bash: No such file or directory
03:53<klickback>i think its a remnant of that program since it didn't bother to clean up the files that it modified
03:54<twb>Or because you haven't loged out & back in
03:54<klickback>i did
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03:54<klickback>aha, apparently it left a file in profile.d
03:54<jm_>did you purge or uninstall it?
03:55<jm_>make sure you purge it
03:55<twb>That too
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03:55<klickback>`rm /etc/profile.d/undistract-me.sh ` and no more errors
03:56<twb>It's an interesting concept, but it'd be hard to execute
03:56<twb>Because if the active window was browser or terminal, it can't tell if you're "working"
03:56<klickback>yeah
03:56<twb>I'll show you mine
03:57<twb>http://sprunge.us/aETg
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03:57<klickback>although i do not know why it suddenly started spouting these errors out of the blue, it was just sitting in my system being useless before
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03:57<twb>That's launched via /etc/xdg/autostart/, and then later on I generate a summary
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03:58<twb>Which looks like this: http://sprunge.us/SUYG
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03:59<klickback>thanks for the help folks
03:59<klickback>learnt something new
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04:02<klickback>purging the package helped too
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04:14<Filystyn>helo
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04:14<Filystyn>i NEED HELP
04:15<Filystyn>i want to set openvpn never did it before
04:15<Filystyn>the exampels are terrible.
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04:16<duclicsic>Filystyn: I found the 'How to' guide to be quite good actually
04:16<Filystyn>where is it
04:16<duclicsic>https://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html
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04:16<cra1g321>https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN
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04:18<Filystyn>bloated
04:19<cra1g321>what is ?
04:19<Filystyn>openvpn --remote june.kg --dev tun1 --ifconfig 10.4.0.1 10.4.0.2
04:19<Filystyn>what is happening here
04:19<jelly>Filystyn: which part of "lay off the caps lock" did you not understand?
04:20<Filystyn>this is not freenode im on oftc
04:20<twb>Filystyn: do you need point-to-point, or do you need to connect >2 hosts?
04:20<Filystyn>twb basicaly i just want to connect with internet i will be only using tcp - http
04:20<twb>I don't know what that means.
04:21<Filystyn>well i have no idea what you mean with point to point
04:21<twb>Do you control both ends of hte VPN?
04:21<twb>*the
04:21<Filystyn>if connecting to server with my computer is point to point than yes
04:21<Filystyn>no
04:21<Filystyn>i do not have VPN server
04:21<twb>So you are just connecting to someone else's OpenVPN server?
04:21<Filystyn>or anythign i want use existing one
04:21<Filystyn>yes
04:21<twb>Did they issue you with TLS certificates?
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04:22<Filystyn>not sur ewhat you mean but i do not want ssl
04:22<Filystyn>ssl is problem maker.
04:22<twb>Tough. OpenVPN *is* SSL.
04:23<Filystyn>lol?
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04:23<twb>OpenVPN is fundamentally built on top of TLS (which used to be called SSL)
04:23<Filystyn>ok let it be ssl fuck that
04:23<twb>If you don't want that, you need to either use SSH, or IPSec.
04:23<Filystyn>i will drop it eventualy now it's important to make things running
04:24<Filystyn>it can be what ever it is
04:24<twb>I suspect you just want to avoid the certificate part of TLS, which is called "x.509"
04:24<twb>OpenVPN allows you to use pre-shared keys (i.e. "a password") instead of certificates, but only for point-to-point tunnels.
04:25<twb>That is, if your OpenVPN provider supports *ONLY YOU* and no other customers, it is allowed.
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04:25<Filystyn>horray like this: ? UK - England - London 77.92.87.170 PPTP freevpnnetwork.com 1560
04:25<twb>But it depends how they configured it, and that should be in the documentation they gave you
04:25<twb>PPTP is not OpenVPN.
04:25<Filystyn>listen im a standalone user i have no docs i can chose what ever i want
04:25<twb>Do not ever use PPTP, it is not secure.
04:26<twb>(Technically PPTP can be made secure, but doing so breaks compatibility with Windows and iOS, so it is never done.)
04:26<Filystyn>allright. But i do not care about security.
04:26<cra1g321>lol
04:26<twb>OK :-)
04:26<Filystyn>teh data that will go can be seen aby everyone
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04:27<twb>I guess you're high level goal is "I want to use BBC iPlayer to watch Dr. Who, but I'm in Kenya and it's region-locked to the UK"
04:27<Filystyn>thsi is probably close to problem i have
04:27<Filystyn>what you said^
04:27<twb>OK
04:27<twb>For next time, you should start with a statement like that
04:28<twb>Do you know for sure if the provider is using OpenVPN?
04:28<twb>Because OpenVPN and PPTP are different technologies
04:28<Filystyn>i have no idea. I have never touched this problem i only used proxies. never nothign with vpn etc.
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04:28<Filystyn>i simply googled it
04:28<twb>OK.
04:29<Filystyn>thought all will work
04:29<twb>Are you using GNOME as your GUI?
04:29<Filystyn>gnome traditional
04:29<Filystyn>if it matters
04:29<twb>There is a package called "network manager", it has GUI configuration for connecting to PPTP (and I think OpenVPN).
04:29<twb>You could try that.
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04:29<twb>Most VPN providers will require you to actually pay them money before you can use them
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04:30<Filystyn>ok i have net manager
04:31<twb>The other approach you could try, is to connect to the TOR network, and then I *think* you can say "make it look like I'm in London", but I'm not too sure.
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04:31<Filystyn>well tor won't work at this point
04:32<twb>I don't know how to drive NetworkManager, so you'll have to poke around in its GUI
04:32<twb>I also have to go home, so good luck
04:32<twb>Oh: for the record, trying to bypass BBC region locking MIGHT be unlawful, depending on where you are, &c.
04:33<Filystyn>elt's just forget about tor (i have it but it won't work).
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04:33<Filystyn>i have option "configure vpn
04:33<Filystyn>"
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04:33<Filystyn>ok
04:33<Filystyn>you were big help thank you
04:33<twb>if stormtroopers break down your front door, don't blame me :P
04:33<Filystyn>in my country
04:33<Filystyn>they do not care
04:33<Filystyn>but thx for
04:33<twb>Which country?
04:34<Filystyn>Poland.
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04:34<zamuro>To all sysadmins here, what would be the best cloud infraestructure schema for a data mining company?
04:34<Filystyn>They may be law for it but in general you have to do some serious shit they actualy do anything
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04:43<nevyn>zamuro: depends on your definition of cloud
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04:45<Walakea>i would like to install nvidia driver from jessie backports, wont it crash my system? i am using laptop with integrated intel GPU
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04:45<jm_>why do you want to install nvidia drivers then?
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04:45<Walakea>i have two GPUs
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04:46<Walakea>integrated and dedicated
04:46<jm_>in that case first check the bumblebee wiki page and see if it needs any stuff that's not in bpo
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04:48<Walakea>which one?
04:48<Walakea>on github?
04:49<jm_>http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee
04:49<kos-mos>Hi
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04:51<Walakea>this doesnt look so easy
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05:26<Walakea>i guess there is no way of getting newer gnome DE without adding stretch to repositories
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05:37<Filystyn>geez how do i run demit. network-manager by root. I can't start this shit. wth
05:37<Filystyn>network-manager just aint werkin
05:37<Filystyn>it's installed
05:38<Filystyn>i can enter as normal user.
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05:39<Filystyn>tired...
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05:45<_rach_>hi
05:45<cptnskycloud>hi
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05:47<_rach_>can i ve a help please , about nvidia plugin
05:48<nevyn>plugin?
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05:48<_rach_>driver
05:48<_rach_>sorry
05:48<nevyn>what vidcard?
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05:48<nevyn>pci string please from lspci
05:48<_rach_>ok
05:48<nevyn>with the VID:PID
05:49<_rach_>~ lspci -nn | grep VGA
05:49<_rach_>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF104 [GeForce GTX 460] [10de:0e22] (rev a1)
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05:50<nevyn>!pci 10de:0e22
05:50<zumbi>Filystyn: is your system fully updated?
05:50<jm_>,pciid 10de:0e22
05:50<judd>[10de:0e22] is 'GF104 [GeForce GTX 460]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0e22 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
05:50<Filystyn>ofc it is
05:50<zumbi>Filystyn: which error do you get in syslog from NM?
05:50<Filystyn>i do not get error.
05:50<Filystyn>It asks me to be root to ad vpn
05:51<zumbi>how is it not working?
05:51<jm_>_rach_: and you insinst on wanting the non-free driver?
05:51<Filystyn>and i just have no idea how to run it as root
05:51<Filystyn>i tried from term bnut it just says there nothing like network-manager
05:51<Filystyn>i can only use the user UI
05:51<nevyn>!tell _rach_ about nvidia-driver
05:51<zumbi>Filystyn: sudo nm-applet
05:51<nevyn>!tell _rach_ about nvidia
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05:52<_rach_>hum
05:52<Filystyn>zumbi thx
05:52<_rach_>https://wiki.debian.org/fr/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#jessie-352 i ve install this
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05:53<_rach_>but i need to comment # Driver "nvidia"
05:54<Filystyn>Jesus and it asks me still for "authentication" zumbi
05:54<Filystyn>wtf....
05:54<_rach_>for start Xserver, then i cant launch blender 2.76 , nothing happen
05:54<Filystyn>i just can't save vpn network
05:54<Filystyn>this is SO IRRITATING
05:55<_rach_>nevyn: what do you mean for pci 10de:0e22 ?
05:55<zumbi>Filystyn: it sometimes is...
05:55<jm_>try starting blender from a terminal
05:55<_rach_>ok
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05:58<_rach_>jm_: problem with glx ectension
05:58<_rach_>extension
05:59<_rach_>do i must remove all driver and make a clean install?
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06:02<jm_>_rach_: nvidia driver provides GLX extension
06:03<_rach_>hum
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06:13<lemonman>HI! Magical Debian Help Team, are you there?
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06:16<nevyn>wassup?
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06:16<lemonman>I messed my jessie driver up by installing the ATI driver off debian.net and forgetting to enter the second set of commands once the terminal is done unpackaging all the files. Now everything is unpackaged and I can't see anything booting into debian -.- lol
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06:17<nevyn>ssh in and fix it?
06:17<lemonman>oh
06:17<Filystyn>FIXED
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06:18<lemonman>am going to wikipedia ssh
06:18<lemonman>and check it out on the debian.net
06:18<nevyn>ok.
06:18<nevyn>if you didn't install sshd already you may be in some trouble
06:19<nevyn>so do you get nothing at all when the system boots? no text console or anything?
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06:20<lemonman>I have an underscore (assumed cursor) but nothing re: booting screen
06:20<lemonman>I don't remember installing sshd
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06:21<jm_>then you could boot the installer/other rescue option, chroot and fix it
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06:54<_rach_>jm_: ok i ve uninstall all properly
06:54<_rach_>and reseintall all
06:54<_rach_>i have a conflit with 2 driver version installed
06:55<_rach_>340.96 and 352.79
06:55<_rach_>all work now
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06:58<jm_>you need to have everything with the same version
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06:59<_rach_>jm_: yes , the conflit appear on my last update upgrade
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07:00<_rach_>so, noow i know it lol,thanks for the help
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07:00<jm_>_rach_: so blender also works?
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07:00<_rach_>yes
07:00<jm_>good
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07:00<_rach_>i just need to reinstall libcuda
07:00<_rach_>gpu rendering work now
07:00<_rach_>thanks a lot i go to eat
07:01<jm_>enjoy
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07:14<lemonman2>Hi, I have access to the grub boatloader re:fixing incorrectly installed display drivers
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07:15<jm_>not sure if that'll help you
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07:18<lemonman2>I feel like installing ubuntu or mate on another partition and then accessing the drive's Debian Jessie files that way. Is that sensible? (I need to check if either is able to read btrfs)
07:19<jm_>it would be far easier to boot with debian installer and fix it, or if you want something with more tools go with grml
07:20<jm_>(put those on USB key)
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07:26<lemonman2_>Sorry I had to revive my internet. Did you say using another linux distro to save my current one was an ok idea?
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07:27<jm_>it would be far easier to boot with debian installer and fix it, or if you want something with more tools go with grml (put it on USB key)
07:29<MaxV>aazeaze
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07:30<lemonman2_>ah right. I made a usb disk at the start of my journey. I will start with that
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07:35<lemonman2_>Having Linux is like having a child. I must sort my life out first haha. Thanks for help people you pointed me in the right direction and I see how to fix it. Will do that soon when I get the chance :) You people rock.
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08:34<Filystyn>Helo
08:34<Filystyn>Problem
08:35<Filystyn>Trying to CONNECT to to PPTP VPN
08:35<Filystyn>logs say CHAP fials to auth
08:35<Filystyn>checked chap in the network manager
08:35<Filystyn>still failing
08:37<duclicsic>Filystyn: you need to ask for help from whoever provides this vpn service, are you sure CHAP is the correct authentication method? it sounds more like you've just got your username/password wrong tbh.
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08:38<Filystyn>yeah
08:39<Filystyn>ofc i did copy the pass and user wrongly
08:39<Filystyn>5 times in row
08:39<Filystyn>ad somehow it was trying to use chap tho it's checked not ot use it
08:39<Filystyn>than i checked finaly chap and hey
08:39<Filystyn>still wrong
08:39<Filystyn>Im starting to think that it's network manager fault
08:39<duclicsic>you need to confirm the correct settings with the vpn provider
08:39<Filystyn>DUDE it's free
08:40<duclicsic>so?
08:40<Filystyn>i tried various
08:40<duclicsic>they must have documentation on the correct settings
08:40<Filystyn>don't shovel me smart talk "you have to talk with the deliver" IM NOT PAYING FOR THIS
08:40<Filystyn>they have the settings on page
08:40<Filystyn>i copied thme
08:40<duclicsic>i shall cease shoveling you smart talk, good luck :)
08:41<Filystyn>do you REALY thought i was sending random data hoping finaly the aouth passes?
08:41<Filystyn>yeah thx for 0 help
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08:44<Filystyn>I blame network manager. Another broken tool.
08:44<duclicsic>a bad workman always blames his tools
08:44<Filystyn>I did all i could. Im the victim here.
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08:49<Filystyn>im done with this fucking shit. I would probably have it done faster if i trie dto write it by my self.
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08:53-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl] by abrotman
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08:54<abrotman>Filystyn: seriously? Your ban on the other network didn't make you question how you act in these channels?
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11:12<crane>how can i pin python-novaclient to this repository? "http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu trusty-updates/kilo main" in jessie is version 2.18 but in this repo there is 2.22. but nevermind what i try apt-ache policy does only show me 2.18
11:13<crane>i tried pinning it with this line Pin: release n=http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu,a=trusty-updates
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11:16<towo`>since ubuntu is not debian, don't use ubuntu packages in debian!
11:17<crane>towo`: i have to... i need the newer openstack packages...
11:17<towo`>no, you haven't
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11:17<sney>if there's something from an ubuntu archive that you must have, then build it following the same procedure as a self backport
11:17<sney>!ssb
11:17<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
11:17<petn-randall>Also:
11:17<sney>only the deb-src line gets the ubuntu repo, rather than sid
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11:18<petn-randall>!frankendebian
11:18<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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11:18<crane>i understand that any bugs resulting in this will not be supported here. but my question is about pinning. :)
11:20<sney>what you're doing is not supported here, EOD. ssb it if you want help, otherwise you're on your own
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11:55<microcluster>hallo
11:56<microcluster>problem with cron after login
11:56<microcluster>i need to launch a script but not running, it works standalone
11:57<sney>where is the script located, and does it have the correct permissions?
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12:00<microcluster>sney: hi, the script is locate in the home and has 755 permissions
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12:00<sney>put it in /usr/local/bin, chown it to root, and put the full path in the cron job
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12:01<microcluster>sney: i'll try, but isn't possible make it work in the home?
12:01<sney>alternately, leave it where it is, but run it as your user account by using sudo. e.g. /usr/bin/sudo -u username /home/user/whatever.sh
12:02<microcluster>sney: ok
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12:14<microcluster>sney: nothing to do, cron log remind me pidfile fd = 3, as root as user, nothing change, not working
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12:19<microcluster>is it correct a cronjob like this?? @reboot /home/user/script.sh
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12:38<torouter>looking at linux sip clients here... does anyone here have a favorite?
12:40<danielsh>linphone, twinkle
12:40<torouter>checking out twinkle right now thanks
12:43<Walex>microcluster: it is correct on some versions of CRON, but it is inappropriate.
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12:44<Walex>torouter: there are both GUI and command line ones. Check SFLP for command line.
12:44<Walex>Zoiper is also pretty good
12:45<Walex>torouter: https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/812894-best-voip-clients-for-linux-that-arent-skype
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14:08<lindylex>I am trying to install Skype and receiving this error message> "skype:i386 depends on libssl1.0.0." I am running Debian Sid and thought I would just install the package. It says >>> Reading state information... Done
14:08<lindylex>libssl1.0.0 is already the newest version (1.0.2d-1).
14:08<lindylex>libssl1.0.0 set to manually installed.
14:09<epi>Hi
14:09<retrospectacus>lindylex: please go to #debian-next for sid support
14:09<lindylex>Thanks
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14:12<epi>my server (running debian sid) is affected by this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=813399 which broke my apt-get
14:12<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/813399 in python-pip-whl (closed): «python-pip-whl: fails to upgrade from 'testing' - trying to overwrite /usr/share/python-wheels/six-1.10.0-py2.py3-none-any.whl»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-02-01; last modified: 2016-02-07.
14:12<epi>from that link, seems that the bug is fixed, but if I try to run ```apt-get install -f``` i have: https://gist.github.com/1cc8fa6ae479701d7efe
14:13<epi>have you any clue on how can i fix this?
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14:13<epi>thanks!!!
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14:15<retrospectacus>epi: please go to #debian-next for sid support
14:15<retrospectacus>as per the topic and my previous message...
14:15<epi>oh i see, thanks retrospectacus
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14:15<epi>sorry
14:15<retrospectacus>;)
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14:16<Guest3321>Hi all, I'm having some issues with unattended installation of a kernel. I googled all the documentation for unattended installation with apt-get, but I still get a popup saying "The kernel version running is the same as the one being installed". Here is the command I'm running
14:17<Guest3321>export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
14:17<Guest3321>sudo apt-get install -q -y -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" --reinstall linux-image-[some specific version]
14:18<Guest3321>is there any way to avoid this?
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14:24<Kevin_>can someone help me set up a serial console on debian jessie? I lose console output when init starts and I can't find any appropriate scripts to add debug lines to.. or a place to configure the serial port
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14:32<SpeedyG>hm, just out of curiousity, can someone explain in simple terms what the difference is between ssh -L and ssh -R ... they more or less appear similar to me ...
14:32<retrospectacus>-L opens a local port. -R a remote one
14:32<Kevin_>l listens on the client, r listens on the server
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14:33<retrospectacus>switches the direction of your tunnel
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14:34<SpeedyG>hm, gives me something to think about :) thanks!
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14:37<khazakar_>Hi,how to autostart kodi-standalone automatically after autologin?
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14:38<retrospectacus>khazakar_: your DE's session manager
14:38<khazakar_>it's on server
14:38<khazakar_>w/o DE
14:38<retrospectacus>how is is doing "autologin" then?
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14:39<khazakar_>autologin to virtual console
14:39<khazakar_>via systemd
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14:40<retrospectacus>hmm, something like this I guess;
14:40<retrospectacus>!kiosk
14:40<dpkg>kiosk is probably /bin/su -c "/usr/bin/X11/startx" - kiosk (/usr/sbin/kiosk); kk:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/kiosk (/etc/inittab); telinit q, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/
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14:41<khazakar_>So how to add it to getty@tty1.service?
14:41<khazakar_>Because It runs only when I ssh to server
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14:42<retrospectacus>well, with inittab. But I am not sure if systemd uses that
14:42<khazakar_>It's Debian jessie.
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14:47<retrospectacus>it looks like kodi-standalone-service provides a normal systemd startup service. Why do you need it to use TTY login?
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14:48<khazakar_>Kodi-standalone exists for kodi from jessie-backports?
14:49<khazakar_>Sorry but It doesn't exist
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14:50<retrospectacus>sorry I thought you were using the one from jessie-multimedia
14:52<retrospectacus>I'd say, either write (find) a systemd service file for it, or look into how to set up a new TTY that just runs it, similar to !kiosk above
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14:53<khazakar_>I don't use deb-multimedia,dode from #debian from freenode said It's bad and there are "why don't use dmm"
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14:53<retrospectacus>agree. but you said kodi-standalone which package name is only available from dmm
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14:55<khazakar_>I launch it from kodi --standalone
14:55<khazakar_>and on usr/bin it is as kodi-standalone
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14:57<retrospectacus>understood
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14:59<khazakar_>BTW - how to get usb automount working? Now with fstab,because I want It working for any usb storage device
14:59<khazakar_>usbmount mounts my ntfs-formatted pendrive,but after few seconds It's unreadable
15:00<khazakar_>s/Now/Not
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18:06<aflag>Hello. If I wan to create local systemd services, what's the proper directory to put them?
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18:14<Cyrus>aflag: It's always in /etc/systemd for user created ones and overrides.
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18:58<R4F_Debian>HI all
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19:01<R4F_Debian>I need an information about a strange thing that has happened during 'okular' installation on my Debian Jessie 8.3. Occurs that when I installed 'okular', there were vlc plugins included in its installation. Conclusion: vlc was installed also. Why did it happened ?
19:02<R4F_Debian>These were installed during 'okular' installation: vlc-plugin-notify, vlc plugin-samba
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19:03<blast007>R4F_Debian: run 'aptitude why vlc-plugin-notify'
19:04<R4F_Debian>HI blast007, how are you ?
19:04<blast007>I'm fine
19:04<musca>,why okular vlc
19:04<judd>Packages okular and vlc in jessie/amd64 are linked by 2 chains: okular ▶ libokularcore5 ▶ libkio5 ▷ kdelibs5-plugins ▷ kde-runtime ▶ phonon ▶ phonon-backend-vlc ▶ vlc-plugin-pulse ▶ vlc; okular ▶ libokularcore5 ▶ libkio5 ▷ kdelibs5-plugins ▷ kde-runtime ▶ phonon ▶ phonon-backend-vlc ▷ vlc
19:05<R4F_Debian>Hi musca, didn't understand your question
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19:05<R4F_Debian>why do I prefer okular, you mean ?
19:05<blast007>no, that was a command for judd
19:05<musca>R4F_Debian: no, it was the answer to your question
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19:06<R4F_Debian>i A phonon-backend-vlc Recommends vlc
19:07<musca>R4F_Debian: ▶ means depends, ▷ means recommends
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19:07<R4F_Debian>ok, the 'aptitude why vlc-plugin-notify shows these information, but, in the case anyone don't want vlc installed... What should they do ?
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19:08<R4F_Debian>I see musca
19:08<musca>either choose another phonon backend
19:08<blast007>install a different phonon-backend-* package during the install
19:08<musca>or omit recommends
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19:08<R4F_Debian>I don't see problems on vlc being installed also, but I need to reply about some critics against Debian, because of that occurrence
19:09<musca>simple reply: rtfm
19:09<R4F_Debian>what is 'rtfm', musca, please ?
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19:09<blast007>R4F_Debian: well, it only did what you told it to
19:10<musca>read the friendly manual :)
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19:11<R4F_Debian>yes, blast007, it is simple to understand that, but these vlc plugins aren't included as dependencies for okular installation, right ?
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19:11<blast007>indirectly
19:11<R4F_Debian>where can I find this manual, musca ?
19:11<R4F_Debian>rtfm ?
19:12<musca>!debian-handbook
19:12<dpkg>The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>.
19:12<R4F_Debian>oh, I see blast007, as I suspected, but wasn't so sure
19:12<musca>chapter 5, i think
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19:12<R4F_Debian>I see musca, Great !
19:13<R4F_Debian>I work for a long time with Unix systems: 25 years more or less, but not as System Administrator, so that some basic doubts yet
19:13<R4F_Debian>but since now, I want to defend Debian, you know
19:13<musca>R4F_Debian: you really never heard "rtfm"? you are kidding me :)
19:14<R4F_Debian>and did some tuning OS comparing Debian to other OS, includind BSD systems- Debian was the Best
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19:15<R4F_Debian>I wrote an article about it, answering a person who asked me what I thought, comparing Debian to Ubuntu, and answered this person. Other guy wrote an offensive point against Debian
19:15<R4F_Debian>no musca, sorry, I'm quite newbie yet
19:16<R4F_Debian>sorry for that, I installed reference guide in english in my Debian Jessie
19:16<musca>not everybody translates the f as "friendly"
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19:16<R4F_Debian>yes, and I have to improve my english, as well, but now I know the reason of vlc plugins for okular installation
19:16<R4F_Debian>Thanks a lot blast007 !
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19:17<R4F_Debian>and thanks you too, musca, for attention and Support !
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19:18<twb>I'm running chromium on jessie. A while back, that gained an internal PDF viewer, written by Mozilla. It has some bugs that annoy my users (like not being able to follow a link from one PDF to another on a local CD).
19:18<musca>yw R4F_Debian
19:18<twb>I just noticed this package appear in jessie-backports: browser-plugin-freshplayer-libpdf - PPAPI-host NPAPI-plugin adapter for libpdf.so from Chrome
19:18<twb>...does that mean if I install that, I can have the Chrome (not Chromium) PDF viewer, in chromium?
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19:22<R4F_Debian>I must go now, bye blast007 ! Bye musca, Nice to see you again ! Alwasy Glad on seeing you here !
19:22<R4F_Debian>Always
19:23<R4F_Debian>Bye ! And, Bye All !
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19:25<musca>twb: freshplayer brings modern plugins from chrome to iceweasel
19:25<twb>ahhhh
19:26<musca>especially the flashplayer, which still gets updates bundled with chrome
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19:52<MeatHammer>how do I get ifconfig into my path permanently?
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19:53<markybob>MeatHammer, you probably don't want /sbin in a normal user's path
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19:54<MeatHammer>markybob: I cant live like this!
19:54<markybob>MeatHammer, you can't live with typing /sbin/ifconfig ?
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19:54<MeatHammer>correct
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19:54<markybob>MeatHammer, i don't even know how to respond to that
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19:55<markybob>MeatHammer, you could add a symlink
19:55<MeatHammer>markybob: you dont even wanna know whos using sudoers! lol
19:55<twb>MeatHammer: ifconfig is old; you should use ip instead.
19:55<markybob>MeatHammer, make an alias. whichever
19:55<twb>ifconfig does not correctly handle interfaces with multiple addresses.
19:56<MeatHammer>seriously though I wanna put sbin in my path. im a poweruser and Im fine with the consequences
19:56<twb>MeatHammer: just do that, then
19:56<MeatHammer>twb: how!?
19:56<markybob>!path
19:56<dpkg>PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It is defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_07_02.html
19:56<twb>I thought that was actually the default for members of sudoers
19:57<twb>Ah no, it's just that bash autocompletes from /sbin if you type sudo i<TAB>
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19:59<MeatHammer>so I add "PATH=$PATH:/sbin" to my .profile and that will work for bash and/or other shells?
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20:00<markybob>MeatHammer, generally. you have to log out and back in
20:00<twb>Roughly. There are edge cases you probably don't care about
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20:16<marx>hello
20:16<marx>I'm running debian stretch, yesterday I updated the system
20:17<marx>now I'm not able to run python3 anymore
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20:17<markybob>marx, stretch support is in #debian-next per /topic
20:17<marx>ok, sorry
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