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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-02-12

---Logopened Fri Feb 12 00:00:05 2016
---Daychanged Fri Feb 12 2016
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00:05<virgosun>hi happy lunar new year everybody
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00:06<virgosun>my rhymthbox not play shoutcast, please help
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00:08<arblah>Hola!
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00:09<virgosun>anyone know
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00:44<live>any body know how to install sparky linux this stuff just keep freezing
00:45<storge>is sparky debian?
00:45<live>yea
00:45<storge>like debian debian or like ubuntu debian?
00:45<nevyn>it's spelt different to debian
00:45<nevyn>!sparky
00:45<dpkg>SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian. http://sparkylinux.org/ See also <based on debian>.
00:46<nevyn>aww look it's a derivative.
00:46<storge>so, -offtopic?
00:46<nevyn>hail dpkg the all knowing.
00:46<live>whats the best linux os to use?
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00:47<nevyn>live: debian
00:47<storge>the one that works best for your particular needs and uses
00:47<live>debian runs smooth
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00:48<twb>"Debian: It's Toasted!"
00:48<live>i hope not goona try it
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00:49<twb>!sparky
00:49<dpkg>SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian. http://sparkylinux.org/ See also <based on debian>.
00:49<twb>Oops, nevyn already did that
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00:53<live>downloading now debian
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00:53<live>hows the install is it simple
00:54<live>like ubuntu
00:54<twb>Ubuntu has two installers
00:54<twb>One is copied straight from debian
00:54<twb>The other is a GUI one they made themselves
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00:55<twb>How simple it is depends on how yukky your requirements are
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00:56<live>yea but some os installer wants you to set up your own drive and make your own space..I wanna install next to my windows
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00:56<twb>If you're happy to wipe what's there, you can just keep clicking "next" and it'll work OK
00:58<live>well not the windows they should have a question where they ask if you wanna install side of windows u know what mean?
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00:58<twb>Sorry, I stopped using windows decades ago. I have no idea what it looks like now.
00:59<live>ok i use window for gaming thats all
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01:01<live>i wish linux had gaming fix meaning playing all the games..
01:02<live>all this years and still no help for graphics drivers
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01:30<nevyn>steam has made stuff significantly better.. but. meh
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01:32<twb>need to use an emulator anyway so you can hit "fast forward" through all the cutscenes
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02:34<jcc>I'm lost. looking for "Simplice " Xchat
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02:34<twb>jcc: is that a person?
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02:34<jcc>No . an OS
02:34<jcc>Simplice operating system
02:35<jm_>how did you end up asking in #debian?
02:35<jcc>looking for their Xchat.
02:35<twb>Do you mean Semplice?
02:35<jcc>It was the 1st offering in the Xchat when I opened it
02:36<twb>!tell jcc about semplice
02:36<jcc>yes Semplice sorry misspell
02:37<twb>jm_: xchat presumable defaults to /j #debian in unpatched downstream distros
02:37<twb>jcc: you need to connect to irc.freenode.net, then join #semplice there
02:37<jm_>twb: *sigh*
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02:39<jcc>ok . thanks . how do I get there ? sorry new to X chat
02:39<twb>jcc: try /connect, then /join
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02:39<jcc>where ?
02:40<twb>I dunno, I only know Emacs and irssi IRC clients
02:40<jm_>irc://chat.freenode.net/semplice
02:41<jm_>try right click on that
02:41<twb>jm_: you guys, living in the future with your hyperlinks everywhere! :P
02:41<jm_>twb: I picked it up from ubuntuirc factoid
02:41<jcc>ok thanks so much
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02:42<twb>I'm very carefully not mentioning that hexchat is the cool xchat, too
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03:10<Wagaaa>Hello
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05:34<tuv>i need to install tomcat6 on jessie. i downloaded tomcat6 from apache.org, but am running into issues with the init-script. i tried using the init-script from the the tomcat6 debian package of older distributions, but it seems somewhat complex: e.g. it looks for policies files
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05:36<Artres>d
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05:37<jm_>why would you want to use old insecure software?
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05:52<T100>back
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05:56<tuv>jm_: it's required by another piece of software
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05:57<jm_>tuv: surely it'd work with tomcat 8 from jessie?
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05:58<tuv>jm_: no.. i tried. http://doc.project.net/9_2:Production_environment_on_Linux
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06:00<jm_>probably some things changed since version 6 so you just need to find how to do the same with it
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06:36<wardenclyffe>Hello, I am downloading the Live Debian install right now! If I d/l the non-free will it install flash automatically?
06:36<wardenclyffe>I want the non-free codec and drivers, but don't want flash.
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06:40<jm_>isn't there a list of packages that live image comes with?
06:40<grove>wardenclyffe: I'm pretty sure it won't install flash automatically
06:40<wardenclyffe>i looked in the log file and searched "flash" and it didn't return anything.
06:42<wardenclyffe>okay, i am looking for a stable linux distro that i won't need to preconfigure too much myself.
06:42<jm_>debian-live-8.3.0-i386-standard.iso.contents does not mention flash
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06:43<wardenclyffe>oh right, there's a content file on top... now i feel silly :)
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06:50<wardenclyffe>I see there's a 148 installation guide... do i need it? or can I do a regular "next, next" install?
06:50<wardenclyffe>148 pages*
06:51<jm_>why are you using live image if you want to install debian?
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06:52<wardenclyffe>i want to try it first? the live image does not offer installation?
06:53<jm_>it does
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06:58<wardenclyffe>if i want to keep my windows as it is, do i choose not to install grub?
06:58<wardenclyffe>i prefer not to change my current boot because i don't understand all these things.
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07:00<jm_>how will you then boot debian?
07:00<wardenclyffe>i mean, i am a bit worried of replacing my master boot.
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07:01<jm_>you have two options - install grub on MBR and debian adds windows to grub menu, this is very reliable, or there's a manual mocking with method to boot linux from windows boot loader, but you're on your own with that
07:02<jm_>well obviously there are other ways - boot linux with help of grub found on USB/CD etc.
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07:02<jm_>but the ones mentioned before mean you don't need extra stuff
07:04<wardenclyffe>I see, so I still can load windows automatically but my boot is changed to grub.
07:04<wardenclyffe>what happens if i decide i want to go back to just windows, would i be able to get the windows boot loader back?
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07:05<jm_>no idea, I know windows has some recovery option in the installer, what that does I don't know
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07:11<grove>I beliwve the dos/windows command to remove grub (it was probably more often lilo when I picked it up) from MBR used to be "fdisk /MBR"
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08:21<nedal>Hi, I want to create a new shortcuts and I don t know how it works. I m new in Debian. I m using Debian Jessie
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08:24<chele>man ln
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09:02<JonathanRaven>Hi everyone
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09:03<JonathanRaven>Is there someone here that could give me some insight regarding unattended-upgrades
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09:03<JonathanRaven>I just started with linux / debian and i have a couple of specific questions
09:04<krrnnkz>shoot
09:04<JonathanRaven>Hi there krrnnkz
09:04<JonathanRaven>I installed the unattended-upgrade packet
09:04<JonathanRaven>did a dpkg-reconfigure
09:05<JonathanRaven>nano /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
09:05<JonathanRaven>"o=Debian,n=jessie,l=Debian-Security";
09:05<JonathanRaven>Unattended-Upgrade::Remove-Unused-Dependencies "true";
09:05<JonathanRaven>Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot "true";
09:05<JonathanRaven>Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot-Time "04:00";
09:05<JonathanRaven>i see a crontab job that triggers the cron daily
09:06<JonathanRaven>hold on
09:07<JonathanRaven>in /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log i see some entries
09:07<JonathanRaven>so the process is triggered
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09:09<PaulePanter>Hi. When I download a file from two servers, at different providers, and from the one server it’s as fast as I expect it to be (4,8 MB/s) and from the other it’s just 500 kB/s, how can “prove” to the second provider that they have a misconfiguration?
09:10<JonathanRaven>almost there one moment
09:10<duclicsic>PaulePanter: that's pretty difficult to do
09:11<duclicsic>PaulePanter: aside from captureing the traffic as you try the download and subsequently analysing it
09:11<duclicsic>if you feel comfortable with tcp sequence analysis
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09:12<JonathanRaven>sorry i took a while
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09:12<JonathanRaven>the file /etc/cron.daily/apt is fully inactive
09:12<duclicsic>JonathanRaven: I don't think you've actually asked a question yet
09:13<JonathanRaven>so why does it work
09:13<duclicsic>ah there we go
09:13<JonathanRaven>very sorry for the delay
09:13<duclicsic>wait.. you're asking why something IS working?
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09:13<JonathanRaven>yes i want to understand how it works :-)
09:14<JonathanRaven>in the con.daily/apt everything is commented out
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09:14<duclicsic>JonathanRaven: nothing in /etc/cron.d/
09:14<duclicsic>?
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09:15<JonathanRaven>nothing
09:15<JonathanRaven>when i read /etc/cron.daily/apt i see it needs to be configured
09:15<PaulePanter>duclicsic: Understood. Does it change anything, when I also have access to the servers?
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09:16<JonathanRaven>but i already configured things in nano /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
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09:16<duclicsic>PaulePanter: oh sure, if you have access to both ends there is certainly more you can do
09:16<JonathanRaven>i do not understand how they relate
09:16<PaulePanter>JonathanRaven: Please paste the output of `dpkg -L unattended-upgrades` in https://paste.debian.net.
09:17<duclicsic>PaulePanter: try testing throughput with iperf or something other than the protocol/software you're seeing the problem with
09:17<duclicsic>it could of course be a problem on the network path between them
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09:19<JonathanRaven>hm i am getting invalid format name on paste.debian
09:19<JonathanRaven>one moment
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09:20<JonathanRaven>http://paste.ofcode.org/3befRfS999zLUY8kMQJuQfw
09:20<JonathanRaven>different site but same idea
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09:20<JonathanRaven>could not get it to work
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09:24<JonathanRaven>my goal is to configure everything clean and nicely and understand what i need to configure where
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09:25<PaulePanter>duclicsic: Thank you. I’ll try that.
09:25<duclicsic>so it's still running as if on a cron job, but the cron job is commented out?
09:26<duclicsic>i've never installed it so i don't know how it's supposed to work, but there could be a user crontab doing it maybe?
09:27<JonathanRaven>well i see log entries in the unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log
09:27<JonathanRaven>http://paste.ofcode.org/Cru7EhyUDNzCUWzDBwNpVN
09:27<JonathanRaven>so it seems to do something
09:28<PaulePanter>JonathanRaven: Please also paste `/etc/cron.daily/apt`.
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09:29<JonathanRaven>i will hold on
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09:31<JonathanRaven>http://paste.ofcode.org/hrCK85GKncC9YMvGZhar2G
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09:33<PaulePanter>JonathanRaven: If you scroll down, you’ll see that not all lines are commented out. ;-)
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09:34<JonathanRaven>yes i see but for example the option APT::Periodic::Enable "1";
09:34<JonathanRaven>is commented out
09:34<JonathanRaven>that seems strange to me
09:34<JonathanRaven>could you example how it works?
09:34<duclicsic>"# Values here are the default."
09:34<JonathanRaven>example = explain
09:34<duclicsic># APT::Periodic::Enable "1";
09:35<shubi>I just booted a live install of Debian Gnome current, and I got a few errors at boot about "no cache" or something. I wasn't quick enough to remember. Should I be worried?
09:35<JonathanRaven>ahhh
09:35<JonathanRaven>ok great
09:35<shubi>Can I retrieve what was written during the startup (without rebooting and taking a picture :)
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09:35<JonathanRaven>now i understand
09:36<JonathanRaven>so its good to configure it with nano /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
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09:37<duclicsic>not sure there, never configured this personally.
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09:38<JonathanRaven>ah ok, np :-)
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09:38<JonathanRaven>i thought it would be wise for security updates
09:38<duclicsic>if you're following documentation that says to do so, i'm sure it's fine
09:38<JonathanRaven>ok great :-)
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09:39<JonathanRaven>thanks for the help everyone!
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09:41<shubi>is it possible to find a log of the last bootup?
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09:45<grove>shubi: dmesg has a lot of it
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09:47<shubi>I got this error a few times:
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09:47<shubi>[ 12.282526] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] No Caching mode page found
09:47<shubi>[ 12.282558] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
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09:48<shubi>is that normal/okay?
09:49<duclicsic>it's fine,
09:49<duclicsic>not an error really
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09:50<shubi>okay, so far debian is working faster than what i tried before.
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09:50<shubi>but i am a bit worried of dual-booting.
09:51<shubi>The Debian manual says it is still "somewhat of a black art".
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09:52<shubi>Is it complex to have persistence for Debian USB, or is it not recommended.
09:52<shubi>?
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09:54<grove>shubi: What do you mean?
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09:56<user_>i'm saying, I don't understand much about booting and such, and would rather have linux on a usb to use from time to time.
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09:57<shubi1>But I would like to have my settings/files remain between boots.
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09:58<shubi>still here
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10:00<shubi>how do i close a non-responding program?
10:00<shubi>videos stopped responding and I don't know the linux way of doing it..
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10:01<grove>I don't know why the debian manual says what you quote, but as far as I know dual booting has worked for ages (I had no problems when I used it in the mid-90's). I have never tried using a live usb for anything but installing, but I believe it's easy and well documented how to make a partition on the part of the stick not used by the live image, to use for storing files
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10:02<mtn>shubi: system monitor can find and kill processes/programs
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10:02<shubi>i can see multiple processes but i don't which one i should pick
10:02<shubi>searching "video" didn't help
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10:03<shubi>okay "totem" fits the icon
10:03<duclicsic>yes totem is a video player
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10:03<mtn>shubi: is there a close button on the video window? if so, click the close button several times. should give you a popup
10:03<shubi>but is it okay to "kill" it?
10:04<shubi>i missed the popup cause i asked it to try waiting
10:04<duclicsic>shubi: you can also run a program called "xkill" which will allow you to just click on the unresponsive window to kill it
10:04<shubi>and now i get no extra popup
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10:04<duclicsic>and yes it's fine to kill it
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10:05<shubi>worked, thanks.
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10:06<shubi>is it complicated to get persistence for a debian live usb?
10:06<shubi>or is it not recommended?
10:07<mtn>shubi: yes, you can make them that way. it is fine
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10:07<shubi>I couldn't figure out what I should do, is there a simple way of creating it?
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10:09<mtn>shubi: google knows
10:11<shubi>yea, I got some confusing results, some with many terminal commands.. thought maybe someone here knows an easier way..
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10:11<jcc>irc://chat.freenode.net/semplice
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10:54<legoman>anbod kbo what
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11:38<torouter>hallo
11:38<sney>hi
11:39<torouter>anyone here familiar with the wget -no-check-certificate switch?
11:39<torouter>Im wondering, can I make it check the certificate to make sure its valid?
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11:41<torouter>I'm reading, that I need to specify the root certificates on the device (location) and then tell wget to trust them.....
11:41<peter1138>--no-check-certificate disables the check
11:42<peter1138>to perform the check... don't supply the switch
11:42<torouter>I know, that works fine for me, but I want to make it actually check....
11:42<torouter>check the validity of certificates
11:42<peter1138>...
11:42<peter1138>it does
11:42<torouter>ah! yes, if I don't supply the switch it does check thats true!
11:42<sney>are you asking for it to verify self-signed certificates?
11:43<torouter>no the cert is not self signed
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11:43<peter1138>and if you do supply it, it doesn't check. because you told it not to...
11:43<torouter>yes that makes sense
11:43<blast007>torouter: from the man page for wget for that option: "As of Wget 1.10, the default is to verify the server's certificate against the recognized certificate authorities, breaking the SSL handshake and aborting the download if the verification fails."
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11:44<torouter>thank you, Im reading it now.
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11:46<torouter>thanks guys, sorry for the dumbness of the question... I think I got it now
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11:51<musca>It's okay to worry about security, i think.
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11:54<torouter>oh wow. I found the issue.... in the environment I am working in, I forgot to install ca-certificates to check against, so it worked on one other machine bt not the one I was having trouble with.
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14:26*jhutchins loans balrog a /
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14:46<anonymous>hello
14:46<anonymous>jyyy
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15:21<nuentoter>hello anyone here that could maybe help me out?
15:21<teward>nuentoter: if you ask a real question, perhaps
15:21<teward>!ask
15:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:22<nuentoter>I started up our dev pc today and got a Xsession warning unable to write to /tmp error. I then ctr-alt-f1 and log in, then deleted everything in the /tmp folder with is in /
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15:24<pops>Suddenly found I can't log in as root anymore on my deb8 pc - can't su and can't login using root in tty1 either - just returns to the login prompt, no error message. Please, how do I troubleshoot?
15:24<nuentoter>this is debian jessie running in virtualbox on a windows 7 pc, the original vdi was only 7gb, I expanded it to 80 gb's realizing that the space will be needed
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15:25<mtn>pops: sounds like a typo or wrong password
15:25<nuentoter>in vbox it still shows /as being 100% full, i dont know what to do from here
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15:26<nuentoter>sorry no, in debian it shows as 100% full, before starting virtualbox it shows there is 80gbs and 6.9 being used
15:26<pops>No, I can enter pw into synaptic and install software
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15:27<mtn>pops: which version of debian?
15:28<pops>I think its debian 8 - kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64
15:28<mtn>pops: and using the same password in synaptic?
15:29<pops>definitely
15:29<mtn>pops: wow. never heard of something like this. sorry.
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15:31<pops>Thx anyway - really weird problem but is persisting after reboots, was working fine a couple of days ago
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15:34<nuentoter>pops have you tried to reset the root password?
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15:35<pops>no - I don't kow how I'd do that without a root terminal
15:36*nickelnick hearts his debian
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15:39<nuentoter>Pops - you can do it with the help of grub mind if i pm you?
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15:40<pops>sorry newbie - don't know what pm is
15:40<nuentoter>private msg
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15:41<pops>Do I need to do anything?
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15:42<nuentoter>click the link that I put in the pm
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15:42<pops>cool
15:43<nuentoter>follow those instructions, it should help you reset your root password hopefully that will unify them between login and synaptic
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15:45<R4F_Debian>Hi all
15:45<sney>hi
15:46<nuentoter>hello
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15:47<R4F_Debian>Hi sney, Hi nuentoter, nice to see you here !
15:47<nuentoter>I started up our dev pc today and got a Xsession warning unable to write to /tmp error. I then ctr-alt-f1 and log in, then deleted everything in the /tmp folder with is in / this is debian jessie running in virtualbox on a windows 7 pc, the original vdi was only 7gb, I expanded it to 80 gb's realizing that the space will be needed in debian it shows as 100% full, before starting virtualbox it shows there is 80gbs and 6.9 being used
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15:50<jhutchins>nuentoter: Did you expand the filesystem in Debian, or just the disk in virtualbox?
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15:50<nuentoter>just the disk in virtualbox
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15:51<jhutchins>nuentoter: You need to resize2fs
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15:52<nuentoter>ill look into this, uncharted territoy for me. thats a good thing
15:53<jstein>Hi, I just found a problematic file in kicad upstream. Please check, if the debian package is clean. I guess the following file is a copyright violation: https://github.com/jonasstein/kicad-source-mirror/tree/master/pcb_calculator/docs/NFC93713_English_A1T.pdf upstream is informed.
15:53<jhutchins>nuentoter: http://www.microhowto.info/howto/increase_the_size_of_an_ext2_ext3_or_ext4_filesystem.html
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15:53<jhutchins>jstein: If it's reported upstream it'll eventually reach Debian.
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15:54<petn-randall>jstein: It's better to file a bug, we're just volunteer support in here.
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15:56<jocic>I have a problem with either AMD Raedon graphics or very poor LCD monitor on Lenovo G50-45. Gradients aren't displayed properly, they are banded. Can you help?
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15:56<jocic>I tried installing AMD Catalyst.
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15:57<jstein>I do not run any debian machine anymore and can not dance on every bugtracker. I would be glad, if someone can doublecheck and decide to file a bug for debian. Just wanted to inform you, because debian is quite picky about licenses and ships the file here https://packages.debian.org/stretch/kicad but IANAL
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16:00<jhutchins>jstein: It's bad form to file bugs at multiple levels unless they're working their way up through the devs to upstream.
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16:02<petn-randall>jstein: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/kicad/filelist
16:02<petn-randall>jstein: I don't see such file there.
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16:04<jstein>interesting I saw it in the tarball: http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/k/kicad/kicad_4.0.1+dfsg1.orig.tar.xz
16:04<jocic>Alright, I'll just assume that it's hardware related and that I made a bad choice buying Lenovo laptop.
16:04<jocic>Should have gone with HP.
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16:07<jhutchins>jocic: You might do some googling on your actual chipset. I've had pretty good luch with Thinkpads but I don't expect much.
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16:07<jhutchins>s/luch/luck
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16:10<r4fkramer>HI all Debian Warriors, I intend to install virtual box in my Jessie 8.3, but I'm afraid about any problem to the system after installation, for virtualbox is not available on Stable packages list
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16:10<r4fkramer>I only use stable repositories on my Jessie, is there any risk following this procedure specified here ?
16:11<r4fkramer>https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22
16:11<sney>r4fkramer: contrib is for packages that have non-free dependencies.
16:12<sney>it's still "stable" enough but does not comply with debian guidelines for Free software.
16:13<r4fkramer>Oh, I see, technically is does not represent a risk but it is not according Debian Way, in terms of Debian Philosophy for Free Software ? That's it ?
16:14<sney>essentially, yes. with virtualbox there might be one or two closed-source proprietary components that could represent an unknown risk, I don't remember if there are or not
16:14<sney>but it is primarily a DFSG concern, not a stability one.
16:15<r4fkramer>Great, sney for this important and serious information ! I only know VMWare and VBox, and I need a virtual environment running on Debian Platform, what shall I do, so ?
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16:15<petn-randall>r4fkramer: KVM/libvirt
16:15<sney>either install virtualbox according to those instructions, or use something like kvm/libvirt
16:15<r4fkramer>I tried to search in Debian packages (stable list) but don't know any that can replace them
16:16<r4fkramer>HI petn-randall ! KVM/libvirt can replace VBox ?
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16:17<petn-randall>r4fkramer: It is a virtualization platform, I don't know if it will fulfil all your needs. Read up on its features and decide yourself.
16:17<sney>r4fkramer: it will likely be faster, even. see gnome-boxes if you want a graphical frontend
16:18<r4fkramer>oh, I see petn-randall
16:19<r4fkramer>ok sney, KVM/libvirt - I need to install some OS but don't want Windows for this purpose. Prefer Debian as Virtualization Platform.
16:19<sney>..
16:20<r4fkramer>but the situation requires acting more carefully than I expected, I will read a bit more about it, according petn-randall and your suggestions, sney
16:20<sney>ok.
16:21<petn-randall>r4fkramer: We're assuming you're running Debian as host system, as you said.
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16:21<r4fkramer>yes, petn-randall, mine's Debian Jessie 8.3 on amd64
16:22<r4fkramer>I have 12 Debian Installations, all of them in Hard Disk
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16:24<r4fkramer>I intend to help Debian Project and for this, first of all, I have to be prepared in Debian Administration. What is the best choice for this: Debian Handbook or this:
16:24<r4fkramer>Debian Reference
16:24<r4fkramer>Osamu Aoki
16:24<r4fkramer>2013 ?
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16:26<petn-randall>!tell r4fkramer_ about enter
16:26<r4fkramer_>did not understand, petn-randall, sorry
16:26<r4fkramer_>r4fkramer_about
16:26<r4fkramer_>r4fkramer_about enter
16:26<r4fkramer_>?
16:27<petn-randall>r4fkramer_: Check the message that dpkg sent you
16:27<r4fkramer_>oh, thanks
16:27<r4fkramer_>yes, It was an accident here, sorry petn-randall
16:28<petn-randall>r4fkramer_: No problem, just be aware that the bot will kick people as a precaution that send more than 3 lines in the chat in a small time frame.
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16:29<petn-randall>r4fkramer_: I can recommend the Debian Administration book by Raphael Hertzog.
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16:30<nuentoter>hmmmm resize2fs is unrecognized by bash
16:30<r4fkramer_>ok petn-randall, so I will do it, thanks a lot ! I have to go now, but it was pleasure talking to you and sney. See you soon !
16:31<nuentoter>just double checked and system-config-lvm is installed
16:31<r4fkramer_>Bye petn-randall, a good weekend to yours and Family !
16:31<r4fkramer_>Bye sney, a good weekend to yours and Family !
16:31<nuentoter>maybe im just too tired today to be doing this stuff on a friday lol
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16:32<r4fkramer_>Bye nuentoter, good luck !
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16:40<konstantin>hello
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17:39<Clund>hello. Is it a known issue that init 0 from inside a lxc container can kill the host?
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17:40<Clund>I already encountered this behavior when doing lxc-stop, too
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17:51<backbox>hi
17:51<Marillion>Clund: not the debian kernel has the issue, its patched
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17:53<Clund>it is a debian 7 inside debian 8
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17:54<Clund>well then I will submit a bug report
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17:57<Marillion>it could be an systemd problem, i guessed
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17:58<Clund>yea there is already a note about "poweroff"
17:58<Clund>but I also encountered lxc-halt to cause problems
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18:02<Clund>I am just testing the behavior in a vm rather then a productive system
18:02<Marillion>ever a good choice
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18:05<Clund>okay, apart from that I need help for setting up networking. How can I easily setup a network for my vm and route some ports to it?
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18:06<Marillion>Clund: loking for veth, it easy to use
18:06<Clund>it is a server
18:06<Marillion>looking even
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18:07<Clund>thx
18:07<Marillion>np
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18:08<Clund>so ... vlan netowrking or simple bridge
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18:08<Clund>because simple bridge looks like it needs a dhcp which is vertainly not what a servr with a static ip uses
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18:10<Marillion>veth can both, tatic and dhcp like
18:10<Marillion>static even, brr
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18:20<lambda-11235>I'm running Debian testing on a new computer and it keeps freezing, any suggestions for anlyzing the issue?
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18:21<lambda-11235>By freeze I mean that the the screen image freezes and no keyboard input is recognized (not even CTRL+ALT+F#).
18:21<Marillion>lambda-11235: try your luck at #debian-next
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18:26<Clund>@Marillion I am right now a total noob when it comes to vlan. I have done a bit iptables .... so where should I start?
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18:28<Marillion>Clund: for example, see that - https://wiki.debian.org/LXC/SimpleBridge
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18:32<Clund>yea but this uses dhcp ...
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18:33<Clund>oh wait there are more configs. which one should I use then?
18:34<Marillion>Clund: look more under, near the botton, like "Give this command to enable forwarding"
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18:35<Clund>okay, and then I can use iptables to route to a 192.168.100.** ip adress?
18:37<Marillion>yes, looks those example
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18:44<Clund>so I added the bridge block in interfaces ... how do I start the interface?
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18:54<Brigo>Clund, ifup <interace>
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18:58<Clund>it says cannot find device but it is in /et/network/interfaces ...
18:59<Clund>http://pastebin.com/gtpZACe0
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19:02<neuropsicotico>what to do here?
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19:15<leto>Hi, I'm facing an annoying bug on jessie and don't know how to isolate and fix it: when my screen is locked or my laptop enter in save mode, most of the time I can't recover access to my session, I have to reboot my computer. In what direction should I look for clues?
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19:22<donofrio> How do I join my Debian client to an Active Directory member.
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20:58<duderino416to>Any PAM gurus on right now? Trying to figure out how to issue sudo once SSHd into a machine that only uses PAM USB for authentication with Unix Authentication turned off. Have setup SSH key and it allows login, but PAM is doing remote authentication for every sudo call. I have the key and hands access to local machine. NOPASSWD in sudoers not an option as it skips sudo authentication when being used locally.
20:58<duderino416to>How do i authenticate for PAM remotely?
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21:16<laughingtiger>hey, I just deleted all smaba packages, but dpkg info still shows smaba installed, how to delete this info as well? thank you very much.
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21:22<markybob>laughingtiger, you mean it shows the config files still there?
21:23<laughingtiger>markovh, maybe, using dpkg -l then grep smaba still show several samba packages with ii status.
21:23<markybob>!tell laughingtiger about purge
21:23<markybob>laughingtiger, that's that's probably because removing things like samba won't remove samba-common or libs, etc
21:23<laughingtiger>/var/lib/dpkg/info has no samba related things.
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21:24<markybob>laughingtiger, and be careful. be sure you really want to do this. it might remove other packages that depend on it that you might want
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21:25<laughingtiger>markovh, that's the problem, I just can't use apt-get to remove, it removes desktop environment as well, I can't believe this.
21:25<laughingtiger>so I have to delete them
21:25<markybob>laughingtiger, yep. that's how it goes
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21:25<markybob>laughingtiger, you're deleting the files manually?
21:26<markybob>laughingtiger, as in rm foo ?
21:26<laughingtiger>yes markovh
21:26<markybob>laughingtiger, oh dear lord. i'm out. sorry, that's crazy.
21:26<laughingtiger>why that's carzy?
21:27<laughingtiger>do I need to logout or a reboot ?
21:27<Marillion>laughingtiger: that stupid, take dpkg for delete any packages
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21:28<laughingtiger>Marillion, dpkg or apt-get removes something necessary too, can't solve the dependency problems
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21:28<laughingtiger>man, I hate windows!
21:28<Marillion>no one need to change anything at /var/lib/dpkg/info
21:29<Marillion>unless you know what you're doing
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21:30<laughingtiger>well, thanks markybob and Marillion and let me reboot to give a try.
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22:02<laughingtiger>I give up, have to install those samba packages again, though one possible solution is to rebuild the dpkg info folder, requires a bash script, I have no mood to fully understand it.
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22:03<laughingtiger>thanks again
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23:11<donofrio> what would I use to join two x11 displays? I don't know if I want that but I've got http://apaste.info/D7x right now and that is driven by two notebook with docking station with dual outputs on dock....what I'm wondering is these notebooka re like 95watts I'd like to use an rpi per display but need tou join them video wise so I could perhaps have a rdesktop session across two scrrens/computers?
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