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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-02-15

---Logopened Mon Feb 15 00:00:00 2016
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00:11<anonymous>Hello
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02:40<rajasekhar> hii guys ,im using Debian Unstable version ,and URI'are --'deb http://ftp.de.debain.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free' .when im adding 'deb-src' to that URI im getting error like this 'Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NOSPLIT' (does the network require authentication?)'.Can anyone help me regarding this issue
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02:40<Wagaaa>Hello?
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02:44<jm_>rajasekhar: as the topic says, support for unstable happens in #debian-next
02:44<__z>Goodbye?
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03:04<Wagaaa>How to change Debian-Installer's head picture
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03:08<Wagaaa>And how to create own Debian-based distro like Ubuntu?
03:12<jm_>maybe best ask that in some debian based distro channel - they would know how since they based it on debian
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03:12<JohnMH>"How do I use all of the Debian volunteer's hard work, but rebrand it and put my name on it?"
03:13<JohnMH>*volunteers'
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04:01<anonymous>hi
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04:47<olspookishmagus>how can I tell when a package has been changed/created?
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04:47<olspookishmagus>apt-cache show package1
04:47<olspookishmagus>does not reveal such information
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04:52<jm_>normally changelog.Debian.* will help
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05:49<norfumpit>can apt itself run apt list --upgradable after apt update?
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06:17<Volley>any idea how to recover (without cold reboot) from a situation where the rootfs-device went readonly for a while? trying to remount rw insists the device would be write-protected, but the device parameters inside /sys look as if the device would be back to rw again ... (this is a VM where connection to storage was interrupted)
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06:22<jelly>Volley: probably no way since the kernel cannot reconcile its internal state of the filesystem and the state of the underlying block device
06:24<Volley>jelly: hmm ... so this is different to things like rereading partition table while partitions are mounted?
06:24<jelly>if the loss of storage is short enough the kernel can recover, but once the scsi errors propagated up to the fs level, you need to umount the fs first
06:24<jelly>and umounting is hard to do with the root filesystem
06:27<jelly>Volley: yes it's different, you have an error state involved here
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06:28<Volley>jelly: interesting indeed ... trying to understand and think of... "workarounds"
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06:29<olspookishmagus>jm_: pardon me, what's that "debian.changelog.*" you mentioned?
06:29<jm_>olspookishmagus: it's a file in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>
06:29<jelly>Volley: you have a vm... reboot doesn't take long
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06:32<Volley>jelly: well, i know that. But my problem is: this happens at my workplace a bit too frequently to just ingore and force reboot everytime. I'm trying to figure out 1) what actually happens, 2) if there is data loss i can avoid and 3) how to make the recovery more automatic
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06:33<jelly>Volley: fix your storage layer, then
06:34<Volley>or actually fix some bad practices done by others here ... :-P
06:34<jelly>solving it inside the VM is silly
06:34<jelly>(there are workarounds, like tuning scsi timeout values which Debian historically has badly set compared to RH/centos)
06:35<jelly>(but that's not your root cause, pun unindented)
06:35<Volley>... and then there is this one person which shall remain unnamed (also responsible for mentioned bad practices) who reminds me that the windows VMs recover just fine on their own
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07:07<asdsad>Hey
07:08<asdsad>Am having a problem with dpkg, i am trying to install the new version of CodeBlocks which is not available on the repo
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07:09<asdsad>whenever i try to install libcodeblocks0 i get the error that libwxbase3.0-0 is not installed
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07:09<asdsad>but when i try to install it i get that it's on the newest version libwxbase3.0-0v5
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07:10<enyc>asdsad: what does 'apt-get -f install' suggest as solution?
07:10<jm_>what exactly does dpkg say?
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07:10<asdsad>Now its actually telling me to use apt-get -f install
07:10<asdsad>cause there are 2 unmet depend.
07:11<asdsad>Tells me to remove libcodeblocks0
07:11<themill>sounds like you're mixing jessie and stretch
07:11<asdsad>also that the codeblock common dep is not required
07:11<asdsad>I am in stretch
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07:12<grove>This channel is for Jessie, for stretch you should go to #debian-next
07:12<asdsad>The version of cb in the repo is 13.x and the latest one is 16.x
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07:12<asdsad>okey peace
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07:48<olspookishmagus>jm_: thanks
07:48<jm_>olspookishmagus: no problem
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09:01<leto>Hi, any idea to fix that bug please? :) https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/02/msg00393.html
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11:09<evilphish>Greetings! Did the update to the latest kernel image 3.16.0-4-amd64 in debian jessie break the system for anyone else? Or are you running fine on up-to-date jessie atm?
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11:10<markybob>evilphish, i'm fine
11:11<evilphish>markybob: crap :) I mean of course good for you ;)
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11:13<evilphish>Would anyone be able to shed some light on the grub error message "invalid arch-independent elf-magic"? I can't seem to figure out what is wrong but the system refuses to enter any grub menu at all.
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11:14<evilphish>And if I install grub2 again from a rescue disc I can boot an old 3.2 kernel image but still not the new 3.16 one. (Which was booting fine a couple weeks ago...)
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11:15<petn-randall>evilphish: The new 3.16 kernel works fine for me.
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11:16<evilphish>petn-randall: I get the distinct feeling something wicked is going on....
11:17<petn-randall>evilphish: Are there any other error messages you are getting?
11:17<markybob>evilphish, sounds like an efi/bios problem from i can see. did you change from bios legacy to efi or the other way around?
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11:19<evilphish>petn-randall,markybob: That server uses an asus P7F-C server mainboard from 2009 which is not uefi capable. I am running a 2 TB hardware raid from which I boot via a small bios_grub gpt partition. I don't get any other error messages as well. Installing / updating grub is flawless.
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11:20<evilphish>I tried to use the grub rescue prompt to manually boot the new kernel but as soon as I want to insmod linux for example it replies with the invalid elf-magic message as well.
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11:24<MeatHammer>did freenode ban VPNs or something?
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11:24<evilphish>The next funny thing is if I boot from a rescue disk, be it the official debian netinst or grml, and do a grub-install I at least get the grub menu back and can boot the old 3.2 kernel which I still had laying around. If I then grub-install again from the booted system and reboot, grub immediately quits with elf-magic and I have to do the rescue disk dance again.
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11:25<duclicsic>MeatHammer: that isn't even possible
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11:26<MeatHammer>duclicsic: tell that to Hulu, lol
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11:27<duclicsic>it really isn't. they could ban some IP ranges belonging to popular vpn service providers, but it's not possible to detect that you're using a vpn any other way
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11:29<MeatHammer>duclicsic: which is what theyve done :( https://freenode.net/sasl/
11:29<MeatHammer>its always something with freenode, yeesh
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11:31<MeatHammer>can anyone help me getting wireshark working on debian 8? I've read the dox, added the user to the wireshark group but I still cant do any live capturing
11:31<MeatHammer>you know what, lemme reboot real quick
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11:36<petn-randall>evilphish: And your boot partition is at the beginning of the RAID?
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11:37<petn-randall>evilphish: Not that I know what's going on, but I'd verify that the files themselves are not mangled by running debsums. And then I'd run 'update-initramfs -k all' and check for any error messages.
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11:39<warhead>I add in /etc/security/limits.conf "* hard nofile 65535" but don't have efect after reboot server, I have "Max open files 4096 files", what is wrong ?
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11:48<evilphish>petn-randall: At the very beginning of the partition table I have a 120M partition set to bios_grub. After that there follows the root partition. The files themselves in the grub directory seem fine. I also tried switching apt servers for re-installing, etc. I guess one of the problems is that I have no idea what the "invalid elf magic" error message really means. And I fail to find a proper definition o
11:48<evilphish>nline.
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11:49<warhead>I add in /etc/security/limits.conf "* hard nofile 65535" but don't have efect after reboot server, I have "Max open files 4096 files", what is wrong ?
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11:53<blu>hi guys. I'm getting -bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device on auto completion but there is no full disk in df -ha
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12:05<jmlongo>check your /tmp partition
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12:06<grove>blu: Any near full file systems? (Then the rest of the space might be reserved for root) - Ang fs where you've run out of inodes (check with `df -ia`) - And I'll go offlline in a moment, so I probably can't help further
12:06<jmlongo>sometimes an "overflow" partition gets created to allocate temp data under /tmp
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12:07<jmlongo>and it's size is around a couple of megabytes
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12:08<jmlongo>that's more likely to happen if the system partition get's out of space
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12:09<petn-randall>evilphish: Was this at some point a 32 bit installation that moved to 64 bit?
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12:17<evilphish>petn-randall: no, it was 64 from the start. I moved it from lenny to jessie over the years without a fuzz.
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13:36<Arcade>I see clamav is out of date on Jessie. Is there a method in marking the package for an update or do I just contact the developer
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13:38<retrospectacus>,v clamav
13:38<judd>Package: clamav on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.98.1+dfsg-1+deb6u3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb6u2; wheezy: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb7u1; wheezy-updates: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb7u1; jessie-updates: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 0.99+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch: 0.99+dfsg-1; sid: 0.99+dfsg-1
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13:39<retrospectacus>Arcade: you could update to 0.99 using jessie-proposed-updates if you really want to
13:39<retrospectacus>https://wiki.debian.org/StableProposedUpdates
13:40<Arcade>I assume I can use any ftp site as long as stable-proposed-updates main is the repo
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13:41<christian_>hello
13:42<retrospectacus>any server that has it, sure. I would just use the same one as my jessie main line
13:42<retrospectacus>jessie vs. stable - be consistent. I recommend "jessie"
13:42<christian_>ok i want to use jessie
13:43<Arcade>does it just need the deb or deb and src line
13:43<christian_>ok please repare me my computer
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13:43<retrospectacus>deb. deb-src is optional... only needed if you want to download source packages.
13:44<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell christian_ about smart questions
13:44<christian>??
13:44<christian>oh
13:45<christian_>ok i want give me the packages that i can install
13:45<christian_>to repare my computer
13:46<retrospectacus>christian_: what's wrong with your computer?
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13:47<chrissl1983>hi
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13:48<Arcade>looks like I got it retrospectacus using #deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie-proposed-updates main. I will test clamav to see if its working. as is right now without the update it does not update lol thank you
13:48<retrospectacus>np.
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13:49<christian_>i have deleted some files that i don't know that is wrong with my computer
13:49<christian>hi
13:50<christian_>can u do something for me?
13:50<christian>no
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13:51<christian_>ok tell me the packages i need i will install it myself
13:51<blast007>you will need to be more specific
13:52<christian_>ok i said that i have deleted some files that i don't know
13:53<christian_>i don't recognize them again
13:53<blast007>well, reinstall your system from scratch then
13:54<blast007>you shouldn't randomly delete files
13:54<blast007>back up anything important first, of course
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13:55<christian_>is the only way?
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13:56<blast007>you haven't given us enough information to provide a more detailed solution
13:56<blast007>"I deleted some files" isn't specific
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13:58<Arcade>also had to update clamav-daemon retrospectacus all is working
13:59<christian_>is some files contain (.)
13:59<christian_>i don't remember about more thing again
13:59<blast007>lots of files contain a period, that's still not specific
14:00<blast007>do you not even recall *which* directory they were deleted from?
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14:00<retrospectacus>Arcade: nice work.
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14:01<christian_>the files were appeared insted of hide them i have delete them
14:01<christian_>i want to that towards commands
14:02<christian_>that is why i ask u
14:02<blast007>are you having a problem with your computer now?
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14:05<christian_>no but if i update it, i see that more than 612 are not update
14:05<blast007>!bat
14:05<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need the following information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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14:14<christian_>everything is well about that
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14:16<blast007>christian_: if you can't provide the requested information, we can't help you
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14:19<christian_>i say that everything is very well about that
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14:21<mtn>heh
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14:21<blast007>that isn't the information that was requested. read what 'dpkg' said again.
14:23<christian>i would just give up lol...
14:23<retrospectacus>christian_: you have not explained any actual problem you are having with your computer.
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14:24<retrospectacus>you deleted some files. So? It happens all the time. No problem
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14:27<christian_>yes is that but when i open my computer i don't see anything on my screen
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14:30<retrospectacus>well, that's something
14:31<retrospectacus>creating a new user might work
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14:37<toogley>what kind of purpose has a "@packages.debian.org" mailinglist?
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14:42<christian_>i don't remember
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14:45<toogley>hm
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14:48<car_ip>hi, is it possible to change the version info of a reported bug after submitting?
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14:57<christian_>how?
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15:00<christian_>do u tell me to change my version
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15:01<car_ip>I reported a bug and reportbug used the version of my computer and not the version i intended to report the bug against
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15:05<toogley>car_ip: maybe ask in #debian-bugs?
15:06<christian_>which one
15:07<car_ip>814835
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15:12<car_ip>toogley: thanks, I looked but missed that one
15:12<toogley>car_ip: np
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15:17<christian_>i don't understand anything
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15:22<retrospectacus>christian_: these people are not talking to you.
15:23<christian_>ok i have heard you
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16:00<aioplace>hi there,
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16:00<aioplace>I need to connect my headphone via bluetooth, Can i do that?
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16:01<aioplace>I mean i type the name of that but still i can't connected
16:02<nevyn>aioplace: sure. do you have pulseaudio installed?
16:02<nevyn>cause... you need it these days.
16:02<aioplace>no i don't
16:02<aioplace>it's apt-get install pulseaudio ?
16:02<Parckwart>yep
16:03<nevyn>bluez dropped the internal implementation of a2dp and hsp
16:03<nevyn>pulseaudio provides this
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16:03<nevyn>!perfectsetup
16:03<nevyn>!pulseaudio
16:03<dpkg>PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net.
16:03<nevyn>follow the debian specific howto ^^
16:04<aioplace>i did installed but i just need to connect via headphone
16:04<aioplace>by bluetooth
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16:05<nevyn>aioplace: sure. but to do that.
16:05<nevyn>you need your audio setup to route through pulse so you can direct the sound to the headphones
16:06<aioplace>ok i get intalled the pulse
16:06<aioplace>how do i start on?
16:06<nevyn>aioplace: did you follow the howto?
16:06<nevyn> Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 .    
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16:09<aioplace>well it's not there more easy like connected only?
16:09<aioplace>you know what i mean it's a bluetooth speaker
16:10<nevyn>aioplace: sure.
16:10<aioplace>nevyn - how do i aply for mate? because new design on linux i dont like
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16:11<nevyn>aioplace: make it work then make it pretty
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16:12<aioplace>ha ha thanks boy ;)
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16:12<nevyn>boy?
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16:13<aioplace>nevyn i found ;) sudo apt-get install bluez-tools
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16:13<nevyn>you do need that obv
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16:13<nevyn>but it doesn't make it actually make sound ;)
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16:14<aioplace>that's weird, but i need to try
16:14<nevyn>not really
16:14<nevyn>hrm which bluez is in stable?
16:14<nevyn>it might if it's bluez4
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16:21<aioplace>Well
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16:21<aioplace>and that make sound?
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16:22<aioplace>that you give me it's to hard to get it
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16:25<aioplace>Yeah i need pulse audio
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16:34<petn-randall>christian: As root?
16:34<petn-randall>oh, was stuck in the backlog, sorry
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16:35<z3r0sTr3sS>good evening
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17:03<aioplace>Hi, I want to change from Xfce Desktop Environment to another interface
17:03<aioplace>Can I do that?
17:04<aioplace>But still i want debian :) not another
17:04<debbian>hi, obviously you can
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17:05<aioplace>Great how can I do that ( Only because the sount it's not up to the top
17:05<debbian>first you have to choose if you want a desktop manager or just a window manager
17:05<aioplace>sound and few application that was able in Gnome
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17:05<aioplace>Desktop
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17:06<debbian>if i understood well are you going to change desktop manager just because the audio applet?
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17:07<debbian>if you have minor issues with xfce but you feel ok with it, we can just try to fix that
17:07<aioplace>Yes
17:08<aioplace>We'll i got up the Wi-Fi but the audio it's not
17:08<debbian>can you hear any sound?
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17:10<aioplace>on computer no
17:11<aioplace>I push the volume to 100
17:11<nevyn>aioplace: ummm..
17:11<nevyn>aioplace: this seems overkill
17:11<debbian>maybe you have to unmute the audio
17:11<nevyn>you just need pavucontrol
17:12<debbian>try executing alsamixer in a terminal and/or install the xfce audio applet
17:12<aioplace>pavucontrol doesn't oppen
17:13<debbian>try executing it from the terminal, so you can see the output messages
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17:14<nevyn>aioplace: did you follow the howto?
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17:14<aioplace>something it's weird i will try to install old version
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17:15<aioplace>yeah
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17:15<nevyn>!pulseaudio
17:15<dpkg>PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net.
17:16<nevyn>the debian one on the forum?
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17:16<jedi_>my server wont boot after squeeze -> wheezy upgrade
17:16<aioplace>well what is your interface?
17:17<javier>Alguien habla espanol
17:17<jedi_>I used a centos image and fixed grub which can get me booted
17:17<nevyn>!es
17:17<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
17:17<jedi_>it does the chainload boot
17:17<aioplace>apt-get update :)
17:17<jedi_>but encourages "if this works use upgrade-from-grub-legacy"
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17:17<jedi_>however if I upgrade it breaks and I'm gback to square one
17:17<jedi_>http://paste.debian.net/plain/389898
17:18<aioplace>that's so sad :'( ask for debian
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17:18<aioplace>I got to go :) new interface comming
17:19<nevyn>interface?
17:19<aioplace>E cineva pe aici care imi parleste limba?
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17:20<aioplace>i means apper
17:20<aioplace>u don't like tha main of xfce
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17:20<debbian>aioplace please try what i wrote before
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17:22<aioplace>But #debian appereance of xfce it's not to nice
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17:23<aioplace>I means before i use Debian 7 and work good
17:23<nevyn>debbian: alsamixer is not the droid he's looking for ...
17:23<nevyn>debbian: he really does need pulsaudio to make his bt speaker work ;)
17:23<aioplace>and the appearance was GNOME
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17:27<debbian>nevyn: bluetooth speaker? didn't catch that
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17:27<aioplace>On instalation i choose all the version include xfce mate and gnome
17:27<aioplace>where i can fund that?
17:27<debbian>aioplace: in gdm3 login screen
17:27<debbian>you have to select "session type"
17:27<aioplace>o thanks i forgot you the best debian
17:28<debbian>:) i wish to be the best
17:28<debbian>anyway i have a problem too
17:29<debbian>i'm trying to install debian testing on a old via epia 800 but it hangs on isolinux usb key boot
17:29<aioplace>much succes ;)
17:29<sney>how long does it hang? it might just be loading slowly
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17:30<debbian>sney: i've searched a lot and it seems that isolinux does not like the EPIA bios
17:30<sney>ah, could bee
17:30<debbian>in the past years few bug tickets were opened
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17:31<debbian>so i'm looking for a way to install debian on it.. currently i cannot setup a PXE server etc..
17:32<sney>do you have another debian system available? you could hook the hard drive from your epia to it and use debootstrap
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17:34<debbian>sney: yes i have a jessie system
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17:36<debbian>sney: i'm going to read right now about debootstrap, i would like to compare it against PXE
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17:36<debbian>thanks for the tip! ;)
17:37<sney>np
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17:50<jedi_>so it seems like this works:
17:50<jedi_>title Chainload into GRUB 2 root (hd0,1) kernel /boot/grub/core.img
17:51<jedi_>but if I do the upgrade from legacy, it doesn't work on its own :(
17:51<jedi_>seems like an issue with the way grub is seeing this hp array
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18:30<dograt>Hi. Is there a way I can remove a user from the faillog/lastlog database? I made users with IDs in the billion range and it resulted in those two files being ~500G
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18:37<canaima>hola
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19:09<tagada>sorry anyone know if there is a debian smartphone version? [a real one to replace android ]
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19:09<sney>there is not
19:09<sney>the closest thing is probably ubuntu mobile
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19:28<joe>howdy
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19:35<twb>Is it possible to disable libreoffice's ability to create (& open) encrypted documents?
19:37<sney>that sounds like a question for #libreoffice but I doubt it
19:37<sney>I mean, beyond patching it out
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19:40<twb>I'm asking them now
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19:41<twb>(I rememered that LO support was on their own private IRC network, like firefox, so I was asking here while I looked up the details. But! that was the bad old openoffice days, and LO is on Freenode now. Yay!)
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20:18<MeatHammer>hey all. I'm having some difficulty getting network-manager not to manage one of my NICs. I've added "auto wlan1" to the file /etc/network/interfaces" and I've made sure that "plugins=ifupdown,keyfile" is in my NetworkManager.conf. What am I doing wrong?
20:19<twb>MeatHammer: in jessie?
20:19<MeatHammer>debian 8
20:19<MeatHammer>yes jessi sorry
20:19<twb>What you've done sounds right, but I'm not very good at NM. I usually just remove it :-)
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20:20<MeatHammer>twb: I suspect I may need additional parameters moreso thasn just "auto wlan1"
20:20<twb>Maybe! How about "iface wlan0 inet manual" ? (on a separate line)
20:21<twb>That should say "ifupdown is managing this, but it won't DO anything with it"
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20:21<twb>(If you want to actually have a DHCP client or something, let me know.)
20:21<MeatHammer>twb; mah its for monitor mode :)
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20:22<twb>you mean like kismet?
20:22<MeatHammer>yeah
20:22<twb>gotcha
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20:22<twb>You might want to add "up ip link set $IFACE up" and "down ip link set $IFACE down" then
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20:23<twb>That'll just turn it on/off at boot time, without adding any addresses &c
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20:24<MeatHammer>twb: i wanna poke around a bit from the CLI but I need NM to butt-out first, I'm guessing I can put it directly into monitor mode from the interfaces file?
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20:24<MeatHammer>twb; i have to logout for these changes to take hold ya?
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20:25<twb>Wow, there's only 22 packages that Depends: zip
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20:25<twb>I guess most of the horrible hairy things use libzip or libzip-java or something.
20:26<twb>MeatHammer: re logout, I'm not sure.
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20:26<twb>MeatHammer: for the ifupdown part you can ifdown/ifup, but note that the ifdown part will run the CURRENT down commands, now the down commands that were configured when you up'ed it.
20:27<twb>so e.g. if you change it from dhcp to manual, it won't stop the dhcp client
20:27<MeatHammer>twb; kk ill likely be back
20:27<twb>I guess you just want an up command that calls iw or iwconfig
20:27<MeatHammer>twb; ya ill up and down it manually
20:27<tagada>@sney thanks for your answer
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20:28<tagada>well i hope there will be a real debian smartphone soon :)
20:29<twb>How come jessie-backports is getting rc versions of libreoffice? It's just gone from 5.0.4~rcN to 5.0.5~rcN. Wouldn't it make more sense to only backport the final versions
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20:30<jmcnaugh1>tagada: you can install a debian chroot on android devices. you might also check out the neo900, which is a successor to the openmoko which had some debian derived distros
20:30<aioplace>Debian I fixed :)
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20:30<aioplace>Thanks I mean GNOME is the best!
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20:31<aioplace>Can i Get an private ip on linux or i need to buy an ip?
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20:32<twb>aioplace: I don't understand the question
20:32<twb>aioplace: are you asking about web hosting
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20:34<aioplace>yes
20:34<twb>aioplace: that is something you must discuss with a "hosting provider"
20:34<twb>aioplace: linux will use whatever IPs you give it
20:34<aioplace>but i can use my pc as a host
20:35<twb>aioplace: sure
20:35<aioplace>we'll i need to buy an ip
20:35<aioplace>?
20:35<twb>aioplace: but other computers might not be able to talk to your computer
20:35<aioplace>that's root :'(
20:35<twb>aioplace: it depends on how your computer is networked --- if it has a "public IP", or has traffic forwarded from a public IP.
20:36<aioplace>and it's not a way to make ?
20:36<aioplace>it's 192.168.1.38 well it's normal ip dinamic
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20:38<twb>That is a private address; people on the internet cannot reach that computer unless your modem/router uses a technique called "DNAT".
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20:40<aioplace_>How can i do that
20:40<aioplace_>?
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20:41<aioplace_>I can go and buy an modem?
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20:41<aioplace_>so if i connect to current provider maybe i can
20:41<aioplace_>get
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20:44<twb>aioplace_: OK, I don't mean to be rude, but: this is the wrong place to ask about this stuff.
20:45<aioplace_>can you send me a message i want to tell 2 more quess
20:45<twb>aioplace_: I think you are missing a lot of background, I think try reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_hosting_service
20:45<twb>aioplace_: I looked for another IRC channel to help you, but the obvious places are full of assholes
20:46<twb>aioplace_: the other thing you can do is find a "linux user group" near you, and go to a meeting, and get help face-to-face
20:46<twb>You are in Belgium?
20:46<aioplace_>Yes - How do you know?
20:47<aioplace_>by ip?
20:47<twb>It is in your hostname: /whois aioplace_ ---> 12:46 *** 311 aioplace_ ~aioplace ip-81-11-169-209.dsl.scarlet.be * AioPlace Ltd
20:47<aioplace_>so my computer it's live or not
20:47<twb>http://www.linuxlinks.com/UserGroups/Belgium/
20:48<aioplace_>thanks boy you are the best
20:48<twb>If any of those groups are still active, try going to one of their meetings :-)
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20:49<twb>Otherwise your local university/polytechnic/gymnasium should know where the linux users meet
20:49<aioplace_>ok
20:52<aioplace_>it's far away from me anyway i'm in gent
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20:52<twb>http://www.meetup.com/Gent-Linux-Enthusiasts/ ?
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20:53<twb>I think meetup.com is a bit evil, but that group might be OK :P
20:53<nevyn>a bit?
20:53<twb>Well I didn't want to go overboard with the hyperbole like I do in #emacs
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20:54<twb>"meetup is like drinking goats blood through a curly straw, when you're allergic to blood AND goats" or something
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20:55<catern>and straws
20:55<twb>Bizarrely, the wikipedi article has no #Criticism section :/
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20:55<nevyn>aioplace_: the gymnasium is unlikely to actualy know where the linux users meet.
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21:26<__z>just switched to testing repos, do i need to do a dist-upgrade?
21:26<twb>!stable->testing
21:26<twb>Hrmph
21:27<__z>i upgraded like normal
21:27<twb>!jessie->stretch
21:27<__z>but there are packages being held back
21:27<twb>__z: the bot hates me, try /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
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21:27<__z>twb: thanks, worked
21:28<__z>twb: was it a mistake to do apt-get upgrade before doing a dist upgrade?
21:29<__z>will i encounter any errors since i did that
21:29<twb>It depends
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21:29<twb>In the rare cases I do it, I typically do aptitude safe-upgrade then full-upgrade, but I also review the proposed changes and occasionally massage them
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21:30<twb>apt will choose the first resolution; aptitude lets you choose between them
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21:30<__z>so i should do safe-upgrade instead of dist-upgrade?
21:30<twb>In theory doing JUST dist-upgrade is no worse; I find doing two steps makes it easier to see the weirdness by getting the easy parts out of the way first
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21:31<__z>hmm
21:31<twb>But obviously if you reboot in between, it could go tits-up
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21:52<Yst>Is there an easy way to search for packages that provide something, for example, packages that provide x-www-browser?
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21:54<twb>Yst: aptitude, apt-cache, or grep-aptavail (from dctrl-tools)
21:54<twb>e.g. aptitude search '?provides(x-www-browser)'
21:55<twb>note that aptitude mostly takes unanchored EREs, so e.g. ?provides(c++) needs to be ?provides(^c\+\+$) or so
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21:56<teatime>as of jessie 8.3, do apt-get and aptitude keep track of auto-installed flag in the same place?
21:56<teatime>(they didn't used to.)
21:56<teatime>also, does anyone know off-hand why 'apt' was added to the mix? :)
21:57<Yst>Sweet. Thank you very much, twb!
21:58<twb>teatime: not 100% it's the same place
21:59<twb>teatime: apt-mark is the tool for the apt side, it edits a simple table in /var/lib/apt or so
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22:00<teatime>is apt part of apt-get, or separate from it?
22:00<twb>For most discussion, apt = apt-get
22:01<teatime>kk
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22:01<twb>apt-get is the primary CLI tool, but there's a bunch of bits around the edge that are also "apt"
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22:02<twb>teatime: I just checked -- they edit the same database
22:02<twb>http://sprunge.us/KACi
22:03<__z>im pleased to see another user of sprunge
22:03<twb>And going the other way: http://sprunge.us/EHGI
22:04<teatime>twb: sweet, thanks
22:04<teatime>lol I suppose I could have tested it that way :(
22:04<twb>No worries; I have used that hammer a lot so it was already within reach
22:06<teatime>(for the past few weeks, I've been sad about #debian being a lot lamer now than in the past. Then I remembered it's on OFTC, not Freenode.)
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22:13<twb>http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=systemd.time uses ascii "->" instead of Unicode "→". But running man (on that manpage) in a UTF-8 terminal shows the Unicode. Is there a way to tell the silly CGI script "no, seriously, I understand Unicode"
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22:15<teatime>but, "I can handle unicode" is already part of the request :(
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22:16<twb>You can set it to "latin1" or "ascii" but the default ("html") is ASCII HTML.
22:17<twb>I guess UTF-8 was invented since the script was last edited :P
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22:20<teatime>heh, even if I tell it latin1, it responds with utf-8 in in content-type
22:20<teatime>also, it sets X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett
22:20<teatime>te-ah-tim-eh approves.
22:20<twb>Oh you're THAT teatime!
22:21<twb>"It's BOUQUET!"
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22:51<NoKeksGina>why are the iceweasel png icons all fucked?
22:51<NoKeksGina>and why isn't iceweasel using my icon pack?
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22:55<farkr>NoKeksGina: you need to rsvg them
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23:08<ctrlphreak>Hello, I'm making a script that modifies /etc/profile in order to set some system-wide environment variables, however, I'm facing two problems, firstly, I need to be root to modify that file, and second, when I become root, I can't see said script anymore because it is located in a folder that belongs to a regular user, could you please point me on the right track about best practices for this kind of problems? Thanks!
23:09<teatime>ctrlphreak: root can usually see other user's files; you can use ~username in a path to mean a user's home directory
23:10<Arrowmaster>and dont edit /etc/profile, just drop a new file in /etc/profile.d or some other method
23:10<teatime>ctrlphreak: are the settings you're changing intended to be for all users that login to the system? 'cause you have local shell configuration files too.
23:11<ctrlphreak>I intend to create some environment variables for all the users in the system, I found on the debian wiki that I could drop environment variables in /etc/profile to achieve so, I'm actually inserting a line in /etc/profile to "source" another file with the actual variables so I don't have to tinker too much with /etc/profile when I want to change values
23:12<teatime>/etc/profile.d is the better choice, it's source'd from /etc/profile and if you edit it it won't get updated w/ package updates
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23:14<ctrlphreak>So everything in /etc/profile.d/ gets source'd on startup?
23:14<Arrowmaster>everything ending in .sh
23:14<teatime>for anything that looks at /etc/profile
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23:15<Arrowmaster>thats a while nother whole to dive in
23:15<teatime>users have some control over their shell configs, you may need to pay special attention if you want to make sure it works for every shell
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23:15<teatime>Arrowmaster: srsly... interactive vs. login sessions... the rules are nuts.
23:15<Arrowmaster>i gave up on bash and its insane config file handling
23:15<teatime>Arrowmaster: and that's just me trying to get the same aliases and PATH in bash, sh, and zsh.
23:16<ctrlphreak>okay, and regarding the decision between changing to root user and navigating to a certain folder to execute a file, and copying said file to a more accesible location (say /tmp/) and executing it there, is there any advantage of one approach over the other?
23:17<Arrowmaster>are you trying to run this on multiple computers?
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23:18<ctrlphreak>I'm making an installation script of some sort that should be able to run on other debian machines configured in a pretty similar way, I'm not aiming for much portability, I'm aiming to make my life easier installing these programs
23:19<teatime>I would avoid /tmp for the most part
23:19<Arrowmaster>never know if /tmp is noexec
23:20<teatime>you shouldn't put anything large there, you must assume it will be cleared on boot, and ideally you'd only write to it using certain library calls.
23:21<ctrlphreak>duly noted, thanks for the info!
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23:22<teatime>ctrlphreak: use $HOME, even as root, or something `man file-hierarchy` says you can, to avoid unknown unknowns.
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