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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-02-27

---Logopened Sat Feb 27 00:00:06 2016
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00:00<r6ku>it's in the directory where your terminal was open, home probably
00:01<R4F_Debian>the video file is running 100% succesfully r6ku. Thank you very much for Great Support, Dear r6ku ! Glad to know other Debian Warrior today !
00:01<R4F_Debian>yes, in home dir
00:01<r6ku>you're welcome :)
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00:02<R4F_Debian>I need to go now, very happy to know you, it's my first time talking to you, a really nice Person ! Thanks a lot, r6ku !
00:02<R4F_Debian>I must go now, see you soon !
00:02<r6ku>see you
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00:03<R4F_Debian>Bye r6ku, have you a nice Weekend, you and all of your Family !
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02:50<veggi3s>hi
02:51<veggi3s>i have iceweasel installed, but then i installed opera too, and now the webbrowser icon near the start button launches opera and now iceweasel
02:51<veggi3s>how can i change it back?
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02:54<musca>veggi3s: is it a blue marble labled with www?
02:56<veggi3s>huh?
02:56<veggi3s>it is a earth looking icon
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02:58<musca>veggi3s: I guess I'm using a different desktop environment
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03:00<veggi3s>it is lxde
03:00<veggi3s>what one are you using?
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03:02<Phantom>Kali linux guys and gals.
03:02<musca>veggi3s: kde, cinnamon, mate or sometimes gnome
03:02<Phantom>i used KDE
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03:03<Phantom>but it rurned out to slow down my machine
03:03<Phantom>so i kept up with gnome
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03:09<musca>veggi3s: please paste the output of "gvfs-mime --query text/html" on http://paste.debian.net
03:09<veggi3s>i figured it out
03:10<veggi3s>i right click on the lunch menu
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03:45<rled>Hi guyz! I'm knee deep in trouble. I'm on a broken Sid, trying to back up to re-install - rsync crashed and left me with a write protected usb stick. What can I do? I've tried dd, hdparm, and gparted.
03:46<rled>Tnx in advance. Hope you can help.
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03:55<shtrb>How should I report a bug to state that a package should have been removed from unstable and testing ?
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03:55<shtrb>a tiny small bug that just remove all users data in owncloud
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03:56<shtrb>and upstream already fixed that
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04:00<rled>Hi guyz! I'm knee deep in trouble. I'm on a broken Sid, trying to back up to re-install - rsync crashed and left me with a write protected usb stick. What can I do? I've tried dd, hdparm, and gparted.
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04:01<jmcnaught>sid support is in #debian-next
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04:02<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell shtrb about report bug
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04:03<shtrb>I already know about reportbug I don't know how from side make it clear bug is serious enouth to be kicked of testing and unstanble to does not really break the entire debian system out
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04:05<jmcnaught>shtrb: provide as much information as you can and set the severity level to what you think is appropriate and the package maintainers will make the call. you could also look for the mailing list for the owncloud packagers and alert them there if you don't get a response
04:05<shtrb>jmcnaught , https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues/22313
04:06<shtrb>it seems that there is some bad blood between the packagers and upstream
04:08<jmcnaught>i don't know anything about that, but reporting a bug for the owncloud package is the way to let maintainers know
04:09<shtrb>ok
04:10<jmcnaught>shtrb: also if you're using testing you should get used to going to #debian-next instead of #debian. Testing is not the best choice for a server, bugs like this (and how long it can potentially take to fix them) are why
04:11<shtrb>jmcnaught , that bug is also for stable version
04:11<jmcnaught>oh cool, well i guess it's good you're reporting it :)
04:14<shtrb>according to the upstream the maintainers are unwilling to fix the situation (as I said bad blood between the two)
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04:14<shtrb>I understand both sides in the conflict but I'm stuck with broken software
04:15<jmcnaught>i wish more developers of web applications would see the value in LTS versions that could be included in distros like Debian
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04:17<jmcnaught>there are *many* web apps that move so fast and don't provide support for older versions that it makes using the debian packages a difficult choice: safe and convenient upgrades vs lots of non-APT upgrades that you have to worry about doing manually or automating some how
04:17<shtrb>jmcnaught , as a dev it is not always possible . I have a system when a bug fix rendered a subsystem redesign ( and backporintg such a thing just cost to much)
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04:18<shtrb>*cost too much in man hours
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04:18<jmcnaught>i understand that supporting older versions takes resources, i just think there's a lot of value in being able to get security updates for packaged software
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04:19<jmcnaught>i'll go out of my way to use debian packages for everything that i can, but sometimes using third party packages or installing so other way becomes necessary
04:20<shtrb>yes
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04:22<jmcnaught>i use the debian packages for owncloud for the instance on my home LAN, but if i had to support it for more than just me i'd probably consider another way or even a less useful alternative if it's more manageable.
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04:23<jmcnaught>to be honest i was kind of surprised that owncloud made it into jessie
04:23<shtrb>why ?
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04:24<shtrb>jmcnaught , I have several clients and for me ownclaud was working mostly flawlessly
04:24<jmcnaught>shtrb: because owncloud doesn't support older versions for very long, and Debian packages need to be supported for about 3 years usually
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04:24<shtrb>ah
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05:26<SynrG>so i half-fixed a boot dependency issue by ensuring postgresql comes up before quasselcore, but quasselcore complains postgresql is in the process of starting up, now, and still refuses to start :/
05:27<SynrG>ideas? how can i ensure a service is fully started before another service depending on it starts?
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05:28<SynrG>that is, the lsb header has a stated dependency now, but that's insufficient
05:29<SynrG>details in a few
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05:30<SynrG>http://paste.debian.net/407436/
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05:49<sertsch>hi there- how can I search all *.txt files for a certain string in it - including the files in teh subdirectories?
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05:50<SynrG>with find and grep
05:51<sertsch>the string should be content (not filename) of the *.txt
05:51<SynrG>yes
05:51<SynrG>find selects your *.txt files to search, grep searches the files
05:51<Parckwart>ls -1R *.txt | while read file; do cat "foo" "$file"; done
05:51<Parckwart>whoops
05:52<Parckwart>ls -1R *.txt | while read file; do grep "foo" "$file"; done
05:52<sertsch>doesnt include subdirs
05:52<Parckwart>yes it does
05:52<Parckwart>-R of ls
05:53<sertsch>sry, it doesn't at my system
05:53<sertsch>it does without *.txt
05:53<sertsch>but not with *.txt
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05:54<Parckwart>huh
05:54<Parckwart>youre right
05:54<Parckwart>although i dont get why
05:54<SynrG>because *.txt does not expand to a directory
05:55<SynrG>are you ready to give up and use the correct solution using find and grep? i was about to explain :)
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05:55<sertsch>lol
05:55<Parckwart>i didnt mean to interrupt you :)
05:55<SynrG>find -name '*.txt' produces the list of files
05:55<SynrG>to that, we can add -exec to grep each one
05:55<sertsch>find * | grep ".tex" | while read file; do grep "foo" "$file"; done
05:56<SynrG>ugh. that's horrendous :)
05:56<SynrG>most naive solutions to this problem fail for various reasons
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05:56<SynrG>find -name '*.txt' -exec grep foo \{\} \;
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05:57<SynrG>sorry, i have it backwards
05:57<sertsch>it's elegant, but I don't know which file is cited
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05:58<SynrG>yes, you need another switch for that
05:58<sertsch>how can I print out the filename before cat-ting the content?
05:58<SynrG>i'm sure grep has an option
05:58<SynrG>-H
05:58<sertsch>keeeeeeeeeewl
05:59<SynrG>solve it for you?
05:59<SynrG>there are many, many variations. the web is full of them :)
05:59<SynrG>stackoverflow, etc.
05:59<SynrG>some people object -exec is inefficient and offer alternatives. but many of those have limitations
05:59<SynrG>this one is easy to remember and does the job
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06:00<SynrG>sertsch: what's the big picture, i.e. your whole problem?
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06:02<sertsch>there are latex documents
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06:02<sertsch>I want to recycle content of :)
06:02<SynrG>sertsch: oh, and you probably don't need to quote the {}
06:03<SynrG>find -name '*.txt' -exec grep foo {} \;
06:03<sertsch>but first I need to know where I wrote what
06:03<SynrG>just the semicolon, which tells find where -exec's arguments stop
06:03<sertsch>thx
06:03<SynrG>since that's a shell metacharacter
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06:04<sertsch>ic
06:04<SynrG>learning shell is an expansive topic, and probably best learned elsewhere (e.g. ##bash @ irc.freenode.net) but it's a slow morning :)
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06:06<sertsch>thx for the solutions and the information on #bash
06:06<lindi-_>find -name "*.txt" -print0 | xargs -0 grep foo would be my favourite
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06:07<sertsch>oh, teh lindi-_ is still there :D
06:08<sertsch>you were already helpful in irc when I was a child ;);)
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06:08<SynrG>discussion of find -exec efficiency: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/131535/recursive-grep-vs-find-type-f-exec-grep-which-is-more-efficient-faster
06:08<SynrG>lindi-_: subject to command line length limit eventually?
06:09<SynrG>oh. the link i gave says:
06:09<SynrG>find -name '*.txt' -exec grep foo {} +
06:09<SynrG>fewer forks
06:09<sertsch>besides efficiency, I think that "-print0" is 31337.
06:09*SynrG reads man page to find out why
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06:10<SynrG>lindi-_: aha! best of both worlds. commands are constructed similar to xargs :)
06:10<SynrG>lindi-_: but with the caveat you can only have one {}
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06:12<SynrG>the things you can learn by actually reading man pages! ;)
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06:27<xjja>Which debian version do I use if I want to have all the kernel stuff coming from debian stable (and all the non-user-space programs), and the userspace programs being the latest stable version?
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06:28<xjja>e.g. I want to have the stable kernel, but latest version of weechat.
06:28<xjja>or stable X server, and latest version of claws mail
06:28<xjja>etc.
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06:29<FLD>weechat offers pre-built debian packages: https://weechat.org/download/debian/
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06:31<SynrG>xjja: the general approach is to install stable, and use backports
06:31<xjja>FLD: problem is that I would prefer to have debian keep track of bugfixes/security updates for me, so that I don't need to follow it myself and build it all myself
06:31<xjja>SynrG: backports has almost nothing in it :(
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06:31<SynrG>xjja: there is no guarantee that a backport is available for each and every thing, but there are many backports
06:32<SynrG>still, it is the recommended approach.
06:32<FLD>xjja: so add the repository to your apt sources?
06:32<SynrG>when you mix in things from third-party sources, you can't always guarantee good results for upgrades.
06:32<SynrG>so this is not recommended.
06:32<SynrG>that being said, some upstreams have a good reputation for high quality newer versions of packages
06:32<SynrG>ymmv
06:32<xjja>FLD: I prefer to just use debian repositories. I have more trust in debian, than in other 3rd parties to not mess up my system.
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06:33<SynrG>exactly
06:33<SynrG>xjja: and finally, there is always attempting to make a backport yourself for missing things ...
06:33<SynrG>!ssb
06:33<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
06:33<FLD>then you get to enjoy some old version of weechat
06:33<SynrG>right. can't have your cake and eat it too :)
06:33<FLD>the software is a security nightmare as it is
06:34<xjja>FLD: what do you mean?
06:35<xjja>SynrG: I've read about backporting it myself, I think that's the way I will have to go. I was just hoping that somebody already did a debian version of what I'd like.
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06:35<SynrG>xjja: well, you could download the sources weechat provides and examine the packaging. if you're happy with the quality of that, use it.
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06:36<xjja>I am just a user, never wrote a line of code in my life :D
06:36<SynrG>xjja: if you don't trust their debs, you can just build the packages from their source, once you've reviewed it
06:36<xjja>though I can follow guides
06:36<SynrG>good time to learn
06:36<FLD>xjja: it has no sandboxing and people run it with user permissions which is almost always way too much rights for a software that is connected to the internet like this
06:37<SynrG>but yes, generally such reviewing is beyond most end users :)
06:37<FLD>and when a remote code execution exploit is found, victims are all right here on the channels, easy to find :)
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06:39<SynrG>xjja: i think we're getting off-topic for your general question. you mentioned also claws-mail ...
06:39<FLD>essentially: https://xkcd.com/1200/
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06:40<SynrG>xjja: are there others? you just cited the two
06:40<SynrG>checkbackport claws-mail
06:40<SynrG>,checkbackport claws-mail
06:40<FLD>crown jewels, stored under uid:1000 :p
06:41<xjja>just generally userspace programs
06:41<SynrG>,checkbackport weechat
06:41<xjja>pidgin, jitsi, claws, weechat, etc.
06:41<judd>Backporting package claws-mail in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
06:41<judd>Backporting package weechat in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
06:41<SynrG>xjja: ^ you can query judd bot to check others
06:41<FLD>aww, checkbackport is not in the repositories
06:42<SynrG>xjja: that can give you a rough estimate of difficulty (if build deps can all be satisfied, there's a chance ssb will 'just work')
06:42<SynrG>FLD: i think it's just a thin script layer to a query against udd
06:42<SynrG>no need to have it separately in the archives. there are tools in the archives to query udd
06:44<SynrG>hm. i might be wrong about this :)
06:44<FLD>never heard about it
06:45<SynrG>https://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase
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07:05<sn4ir>ho can help me&
07:05<sn4ir>?
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07:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:06<sn4ir>i have asus x101ch with debian 8 lxde and fn keys dont work
07:06<sn4ir>what can I do7
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09:53<mais_>hello, I m making a little research about which is the proper way of installing virtualbox on my Debian 8 machine. I came accross to this "https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22", but I cannot understand what this "# apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') virtualbox" command does and if I have to change it before giving it to my terminal. Any help?
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10:04-!-Yst is "Yst Dawson" on #php #ahmia #guardianproject #moocows #oftc #debian-offtopic #debian-next #tor #debian #
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10:14<rauppe31>Hello, is there a guide about how to create a new debian package and submit it to debian so it will be included in the debian package sources?
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10:18<awal>rauppe31, better served in #debian-mentors
10:20<rauppe31>@awal thanks, i'll ask there
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10:49<powerup>hola
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10:50<powerup>espanoles?
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10:51<powerup>hello
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10:52<javi>hola?
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11:12<pekhee>Hi people. I'm trying to install Debian on a late 2013 11,1 MacBook Pro. If I'm not wrong refind or a fork of it is installed on the device as boot loader. Copying a live Debian ISO on a USB stick and booting from it drops to GRUB rescue at "insmod normal" with error "file '/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found.". I think GRUB's prefix is wrong, it's on internal disk and using GRUB's ls there is no device for USB stick.
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11:15<pekhee>Also using nonfree netinst ISO, Debian boots to Debian-installer but there is an error for mounting cdrom. I tried to mount USB stick manually to /cdrom but again there is no partition detected om USB stick.
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11:21<lambda-11235>dpkg: tell javi es
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11:23<lambda-11235>dpkg: tell javi es
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11:29<yanina>Hola?
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11:30<MeatHammer>does anyone have a link to good documentation about network namespaces? the man page is useless
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11:34<jeff_lille>Hi everybody :) Does anyone know where a file moves with this command -> mv *file* .:
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11:41<mais>jeff_lille: you specify the directory
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11:47<zugz>X is no longer successfully starting (log file here: http://paste.debian.net/408042/ ). TMK the only thing I did between it working and it not working was to briefly boot a Knoppix Live CD... any way that could plausibly be to blame?
11:47<zugz>(fglrx)
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11:48<jeff_lille>@mais thanks I've found it ;)
11:48<markybob>zugz: which debian version?
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11:49<zugz>markybob: 8.2
11:50<ompaul>zugz: that doesn't kill off your debian unless you install over it
11:50<ompaul>zugz: you didn't try to install it or anything did ya?
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11:51<zugz>nono... didn't even start X in it
11:51<zugz>seems rather unlikely that it could be to blame, but I can't think what else
11:51<ompaul>zugz: didn't even start x in what knoppix
11:51<zugz>ompaul: yes
11:51<ompaul>zugz: hmm
11:52<ompaul>how old was the live cd?
11:52<zugz>the X log doesn't seem to have a clear error, the closest I can see is "(II) fglrx(0): Restoring Recent Mode via PCS is not supported in RANDR 1.2 capable environments"
11:53<zugz>ompaul: I'm not sure, somewhere between 1 and 10
11:53<zugz>years
11:53<zugz>this makes me wonder if booting into knoppix set it to a mode it's trying to restore to
11:54<zugz>oh no, not relevant - that same line occurs in an old log I have of a successful X startup
11:54<ompaul>zugz: that is possible, X most certainly didn't crash.
11:54<ompaul>it's not finding a resolution
11:55<zugz>where does it say that?
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11:57<zugz>oh god
11:57<zugz>sorry
11:57<zugz>I know what's up - I messed with .xinit
11:57<zugz>apologies, nothing to do with the graphics card
11:57<zugz>with .xsession, rather
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11:58<ompaul>zugz: you actually start X from the cli?
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11:58<zugz>oh, no, that wasn't it.
11:58<zugz>ompaul: yes, I do
11:58<ompaul>in 2016 you start x from the cli?
11:58<ompaul>wow
11:58<zugz>that's right
11:58<zugz>also in 2001-2015 ;)
11:59<ompaul>you should trust a dm or some such to manage X for ya
11:59<ompaul>since '93 I've not done that
11:59<zugz>and then when X breaks, I'm entirely screwed
11:59<zugz>anyway, I don't use X all that often
12:00*ompaul raises an eyebrow
12:00<ompaul>you can leave on the dm and still use a console
12:00<ompaul>it's not like it's messing with your head it's actually saving messing with your head
12:01<zugz>added complication I'd rather not deal with, is all
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12:01<zugz>anyway, the conclusion is that I am an idiot; if I just run 'X', it works fine
12:01<zugz>sorry to waste your time
12:02<zugz>not sure exactly what I did to break startx, but I can probably figure it out
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12:05<zugz>figured it out; forgetting the role of ~/.xinitrc was my problem
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12:06<ompaul>in 2016 it shouldn't have a role
12:07<ompaul>unless you are running a server
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12:07<ompaul>in that case it gets to write a lot of rules
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12:08<zugz>ok, thanks
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12:22<pekhee>I think whatever my problem is with installing Debian is related to partitions on USB stick not being recognized by Linux.
12:23<pekhee>Does anybody know what parted should say about a USB stick with netinst ISO?
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12:51<udigital>hi
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12:52<sney>hi
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13:01<grummund>Hi, can anyone tell me where is /etc/group documented, pls?
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13:02<sney>man 5 group
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13:03<Camii>Holaaa
13:03<grummund>sorry i mean the rationale for each of the stock groups
13:03<Camii>Quien me habla?
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13:05<grummund>specifically, i was looking for a group to add users in connection with AllowGroups option in sshd_config
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13:05<grummund>'ssh' and 'staff' both look likely candidates
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13:06<lindi-_>grummund: just create a new group for that
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13:07<grummund>ok but i'm still curious what group ssh is for
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13:10<lindi-_>grummund: probably legacy
13:11<lindi-_>grummund: - ssh-agent is installed setgid to prevent ptrace() attacks. The group
13:11<lindi-_> actually doesn't matter, as it drops privileges immediately, but to
13:11<lindi-_> avoid confusion the postinst creates a new 'ssh' group for it.
13:11<lindi-_>grummund: see /usr/share/doc/openssh-server/changelog.Debian.gz
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13:14<grummund>lindi-_: nice find thank you
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13:19<vortek>hi i chabged my x video driver to nvidia from nouveau and now x when it starts has no window manafer! :) any ideas on how to fix?
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13:23<vortek>wiat i think i founs it the fix'
13:23<vortek>vvl
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13:26<vortek>same problem
13:26<vortek>any ideas
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13:33<amacater>Have you got the DKMS modules in there?
13:33<vortek>not sure
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13:34<vortek>it worked fine with the nouveau driver just had slow 3d oerformabce
13:34<amacater>What are the symptoms _exactly_ - black screen?
13:35<vortek>yeah vlacj screen
13:35<vortek>blqck i mean
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13:35<vortek>my chat program auto loaded ib x
13:35<vortek>ib=in
13:36<vortek>evrything is black no kde loaded or no window manager
13:36<amacater>OK - make sure that all nouveau drivers are off the system. You might even have to add it to /etc/modules/blacklist.conf. If not, if nouveau drivers are tolerable, just go back to them.
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13:37<vortek>yeah i go back to them
13:37<vortek>i worry bout a fix later
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13:37<amacater>Basically: it's a straight choice. If you go with NVIdia proprietary drivers, nouveau must be blacklisted. If you keep nouveau, never install NVidia proprietary at the same time :(
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13:38<vortek>ok
13:38<vortek>makes sense
13:38<amacater>If you have to change over, it's best to drop to single user mode - out of graphics mode - to be able to compile / build proprietary drivers. Telinit 2 will get you there :)
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13:48<hisforever>looking for help in Zorin 9 any help to find the right place ?
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13:48<sney>hisforever: #zorinos on chat.freenode.net
13:48<hisforever>ty sney
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13:49<mib_1vvjtu>Hi. I'm using Debian testing (GNOME) and a nvidia gtx 970. I can't change the resolution to 1920x1080 because there is no option, the max is 1360x768. Can anyone helps me?
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13:49<sney>mib_1vvjtu: testing support is in #debian-next
13:49<therayox>espanol
13:50<therayox>?
13:50<sney>!es
13:50<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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13:50<sney>(I'm like a doorman or something today)
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13:50<mib_1vvjtu>yes, spain, but can I get help in english?
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13:51<teatime>mib_1vvjtu: of course you can. hopefully, anyway.
13:51<sney>mib_1vvjtu: debian testing support is in #debian-next, as I literally just told you
13:52<sney>the spanish thing was for someone else
13:52<mib_1vvjtu>yeah, sorry, I didn't read it.
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13:53<Normac>Hi to all
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13:54<Normac>sorry ppl I'm Italian and having some problem with my installation debian based
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13:54<Normac>If there is an Italian is better so speack yet i speacking currently English :)
13:55<jmcnaught>!it
13:55<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
13:55<Normac>oh great
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13:56<Normac>thanks i joining :)
13:56<therayox>-es
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14:04<Normac>seems no one in #debian-it is online
14:04<Normac>there is someone goodhearted that can give me an hand?
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14:05<Normac>if i log off is probable that is the problem that logged me off , however i will try to login again
14:06<mtn>Normac, which version of debian is this?
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14:07<Normac>debian jessie based
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14:07<mtn>Normac, which distro, this channel only supports debian distro
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14:08<Normac>Ah ok i was supposed that you was can help me because the distro have the same file of debian
14:08<Normac>thanks too
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14:15<vortek>kde wont star.. it happened after i switched from nouveau driver
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14:15<fabricio>hey guys, first time on debian, first time on IRC
14:15<vortek>i switched back to nouveau driber and its still the same
14:16<vortek>no window manger will load
14:16<fabricio>so I apologize in advance for any mistakes
14:16<fabricio>I'm trying to solve this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5507204#post5507204
14:16<fabricio>Could someone give me a hand please?
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14:19<MeatHammer>im having some difficulty working with network namespaces in debian. documentation for ip-netns is pretty poor, even man pages. I am trying to return the PID of an exisiting namespace with "sudo ip netns pids jail" (jail being the name of an existing namespace). The command returns nothing, no error, just back to prompt. What am I doing wrong?
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14:26<fabricio>My sound was perfect until upgraded to audacious 3.7 by compiling the source (also the pluggins).
14:26<fabricio>I had to install a lot of the failed dependencies manually.
14:26<fabricio>Clearly I messed up.
14:26<fabricio>Now my sound settings display only a "Dummy output".
14:26<fabricio>I tried reinstalling a lot of packages and followed all the posts I found but no solution.
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14:38<vortek>my desktop has no window manager nor will kde load.. i switche from nouvea drver for display and swiched it back.. same problem any ideas ?
14:40<towo`>what?
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14:46<m2k>how to solve: W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010
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14:48<zyley>vortek, one possibility might be that nvidia driver left blacklist file on system /etc/modprobe.d/ ( i think) ... to rectify this uninstall nvidia packages completely (purge)
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14:51<markybob>m2k: apt-get update 2> /tmp/keymissing; for key in $(grep "NO_PUBKEY" /tmp/keymissing |sed "s/.*NO_PUBKEY //"); do echo -e "\nProcessing key: $key"; gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv $key && gpg --export --armor $key | apt-key add -; done
14:51<markybob>m2k: also testing isn't supported here. that's in #debian-next
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14:52<markybob>m2k: anyway i miscoppied. here's the full fix
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14:52<markybob>m2k: damnit. http://ram.kossboss.com/fix-missing-gpg-key-apt-get/
14:54<m2k>markybob: sorry, what do I need to do?
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14:55<anonymous>hello
14:55<markybob>m2k: i just told you
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15:01<m2k>markybob: sorry, can't follow
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15:08<vortek>its fixed! :)
15:08<vortek>thanxs for the help
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15:12<m2k>markybob: what is the first step?
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16:00<Camii>Hello
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16:02<chrishell>Hi
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16:04<sney>hi
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16:08<Yst>Does anyone know how to encrypt emails using untrusted keys in Evolution?
16:08<Yst>I'm trying to send a letter to someone, but Evolution refuses because it doesn't trust the key.
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16:11<Yst>Never mind, I might have misunderstood the error.
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16:23<floki>Hello! How to install NVDIA drivers on Lenovo g710 GForce 820M?
16:24<floki>Where i can get work guide?
16:24<towo`>read the wiki about optimus
16:24<floki>I'm tired read guide which doesnt work
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16:25<towo`>https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjx2u3c8JjLAhXpd5oKHTt5AmIQFggdMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.debian.org%2FBumblebee&usg=AFQjCNFibvI0iEH0tGRriYVB4-GTUcZDqA&sig2=q1j5kpup8Sp-Hxj8ftZkvA
16:26<floki>Thank you, i hope this is working
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16:32<dada_>Hi, running a Debian based ditro, on a USB Live stick with persistence. Persistence works, as it recalls my preferences at next boot. But I can't do update-initramfs, I get this error: http://dpaste.com/1W7N10Y and in /var/log/live/boot.log I have this ones: http://dpaste.com/3086P1J Can you give me some advices to fix this? I need to boot on a newer kernel.
16:33<r6ku>floki: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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16:36<towo`>r6ku, this would not help on optimus hardware
16:37<floki>bumblebee-nvidia primus
16:37<floki>I'm install that
16:38-!-mode/#debian [+l 763] by debhelper
16:38<floki>But when i'm reboot my laptop, i'm cannot to load in graphic
16:38<floki>lol
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16:38<floki>I mean...
16:38<floki>When i'm reboot now, i'm get black screen
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16:38<floki>I need some settings, i guess?
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16:42<floki>Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
16:42<towo`>do not run this command!
16:42<floki>just run nvidia-xconfig nothing happens
16:42<floki>Doesn't work, lol
16:42<towo`>you can't have read that command on the optimus wiki i give to you
16:43<blast007>as per the instructions on the Bumblebee page, you do NOT want an xorg.conf file and you do NOT want to run nvidia-xconfig
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16:44<floki>What instruction?
16:44<floki>Can you show me?
16:44<floki>Paragraph
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16:44<sney>wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee
16:44<floki>I'm read that and what?
16:44<blast007>web browsers have a 'find on page' feature. try using it. :)
16:45<floki>What find?
16:45<floki>Fuck
16:45<floki>Ok, what that installing my terminal say me i must edit xorg,conf
16:46<floki>I know, if i'm reboot now, i'm don't loading my graphic
16:46<blast007>so you didn't read the section on the Bumblebee page that *specifically tells you not to do that*
16:47<chele>,v https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libjpeg8
16:47<judd>No package named 'https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libjpeg8' was found in amd64.
16:47<floki>Every fucking time when i'm try to installing fucking drivers for my laptop i'm have problems and and all night trying to get this to work
16:47<chele>,v libjpeg8
16:47<judd>Package: libjpeg8 on amd64 -- squeeze: 8b-1; wheezy: 8d-1+deb7u1; sid: 8d1-2; stretch: 8d1-2
16:47<towo`>sure you have a black screen, because you have run nvidia-xconfig
16:47<floki>Ok
16:48<floki>What i need to install?
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16:48<blast007>nothing, you need to get rid of your xorg.conf file
16:48<towo`>floki, then don't buy such fucking crap hardware
16:48<chele>why is this library missing from jessie?
16:48<floki>I must reed my xorg.conf now, right?
16:48<floki>read?
16:48<sney>delete?
16:48<chris_se>judd, libjpeg8 was removed from jessie in favor of libjpeg-turbo: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/08/msg00000.html
16:49<dada_>floki, previous xorg.conf have been backed up for nvidia-xsettings, in same directory
16:49<dada_>s/for/by
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16:49<towo`>there is no xorg.conmf needed at all
16:49<blast007>there probably wasn't a previous xorg.conf file, because you don't need one
16:49<dada_>he can have a xorg.conf for other stuff, like mouse settings
16:51<floki>Ok, i cannot to understand. I go to read google
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16:52<blast007>floki: you don't understand how to delete a file?
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16:54<vortek>is there a way to make apt-get fetch the dependacies of a program to install it?
16:55<lindi-_>vortek: what program?
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16:56<vortek>any program
16:56<floki>blast007 you need just say: delete xorg.conf
16:56<vortek>but im trying to istall kde-full
16:56<floki>That all!
16:57<blast007>floki: we did
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16:58<vortek>and it has osme depnds so it wont install
16:58<vortek>something happened to apt-get were it dont donwload depnds
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16:59<vortek>how can i fix this?
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16:59<sney>vortek: please pastebin the whole command you're running and the output from apt-get
16:59<floki>blast, i'm have no xorg.conf
17:00<vortek>ok
17:00<floki>/etc/X11/xorg.conf
17:01<floki>have no this file
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17:02<vortek>http://pastebin.com/N7qLc0H1
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17:02<vortek>there ya go L))
17:02<vortek>:)
17:03<vortek>debian usualy auto dl's the depends but for some reason its not
17:04<sney>,v kde-plasma-desktop
17:04<judd>Package: kde-plasma-desktop on amd64 -- squeeze: 5:66; wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; jessie: 5:84; sid: 5:90; stretch: 5:90
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17:04<sney>vortek: what is the output of 'apt-cache policy kde-plasma-desktop' and 'apt-cache policy'?
17:05<vortek>one sec
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17:07<vortek>http://pastebin.com/bv9NrfTX is the output of apt-cache policy
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17:08<vortek>i mean this is the output http://pastebin.com/bv9NrfTX
17:08<vortek>woops
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17:09<vortek>thats the outpu of apt-cache policy
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17:10<jmcnaught>vortek: could you please use https://paste.debian.net/ instead of pastebin? Pastebin wants me to enter a captcha to see your paste (and kinda sucks in general)
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17:11<vortek>ok hehe
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17:11<vortek>https://paste.debian.net/408593/
17:12<dcraig>debian pastebin has gross color scheme... can you use vomitb.in instead?
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17:13<vortek>what else did ou want me to paste?
17:13<vortek>i cant find it when i scroll up
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17:13<vortek>oh i found it
17:13<vortek>no i didnt
17:13<jmcnaught>vortek: "apt-cache policy". it's likely you're missing some repos, or have a third-party one that is breaking something
17:13<vortek>found it :)
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17:15<vortek>https://paste.debian.net/408604/
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17:16<lindi-_>vortek: yeah you have debian testing repo there
17:16<sney>vortek: it looks like you changed a line to testing, and that's why it's broken
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17:17<sney>if you change where it says "testing" back to "jessie" it's hopefully not too late, since it sounds like you still have some stable metapackages
17:17<vortek>ok
17:18<sney>that is, in your sources.list
17:18<vortek>yeah testing had some probs with braking kde so i swtched to stable
17:18<vortek>ok i do this
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17:23<vortek>i still get depend errors after running apt-get update
17:23<vortek>:(
17:24<jmcnaught>vortek: did you run "apt-get update" after changing your sources?
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17:25<sney> <vortek> yeah testing had some probs with braking kde so i swtched to stable <- downgrading is not supported. So if you upgraded anything to testing, you can't go back without reinstalling
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17:25<jmcnaught>vortek: it seems tha this bitmask repo is a third-party one for software not included in Debian. It is possible that it's broken, you should also try commenting it out to see if it fixes it. Unless of course you downgraded ^^
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17:28<vortek>i did comment it out
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17:28<vortek>all thats in the sources.list
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17:29<vortek>is eb http://http.us.debian.org/debian jessie main non-free contrib
17:29<vortek>deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
17:29<vortek>eb=deb
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17:30<vortek>it updates stuff that isnt there.. the bitmask isnt in there.. all that is there in source,list is what i pasted
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17:32<vortek>but apt-get update , updates from stuff i commented out.. so i made a new sources.list to be sure and it still looks for testing and the bitmask urls
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17:32<chris_se>vortek, do you have files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
17:32<chris_se>those are also read
17:32<vortek>let me check
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17:33<vortek>no such file
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17:34<chris_se>are you editing /etc/apt/sources.list on the right computer?
17:34<vortek>yeah hehehe
17:34<vortek>oh i got one in sources.list.d
17:35<vortek>bitmask.list i rm -rf'd it
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17:36<chris_se>try again then
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17:36<vortek>it updated the urls in sources.list only :)
17:37<chris_se>there you go :)
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17:40<vortek>https://paste.debian.net/408686/
17:40<vortek>it still dont work
17:40<vortek>it still dont work :( heres the output of the command
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17:41<chris_se>apt-cache policy kde-workspace
17:41<lambda-11235>\join #moocows
17:41<chris_se>and paste that
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17:41<chris_se>that will tell you what the current status of kde-workspace is
17:41<chris_se>and why it's not going to be installed
17:43<jmcnaught>vortek: did you at some point upgrade to testing and then change your sources.list back to jessie?
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17:47<vortek>it was kali linux wich usees testing .. i couldnt get my debian with firmware cd's to work the timed out at dhcp so a friend emailed me some blank cd's and a copy of kali with is debian with scripts kiddie tools
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17:47<vortek>i mean mailed not emailed hehe
17:47<sney>!frankendebian
17:47<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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17:47<sney>it will never work. reinstall.
17:48-!-mode/#debian [+l 755] by debhelper
17:48<jmcnaught>vortek: and install debian, or get support in the kali channel. if you have trouble with the firmware you can use the netinst ISO that includes firmwares, and/or check the install manual for how to load missing firmwares
17:48<vortek>how can i reinstalll? debian with wireless firmware cd wont install :( it times out at dhco
17:49<sney>!cd1
17:49<dpkg>There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - there's one for GNOME, another for KDE, one for Xfce, and another for LXDE. For example; if you wanted the Xfce CD-1 of Debian 8 "Jessie" for amd64, you'd grab -> debian-8.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso from the mirrors. Also ask me about <firmware images>, <release notes>, <ig>, <setup.exe>.
17:49<sney>pick a cd1, skip network until after you get the system installed
17:49<vortek>the firmware cd worked on this laptop at a diff location so i know it wokrs
17:49<vortek>okk
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17:50<vortek>i dont have any cd's left :(
17:50<sney>usb stick?
17:50<vortek>and my usb's r not big enough L(
17:50<vortek>any suggestions'
17:51<chris_se>if your laptop has an ethernet port and the bios supports booting from it, you could use the netboot installer images on a second computer
17:51<sney>get a cd or a usb stick.
17:51<sney>yeah or use debootstrap from some minimal environment, I guess
17:51<chris_se>ah, sorry, didn't see that you only have wireless
17:52<vortek>no second computef :(
17:52<chris_se>USB sticks not big enough? the smallest usb stick I have at home is like 4 gigs
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17:52<chris_se>that should easily fit a CD1
17:52<sney>yeah that does sound weird. even a 1GB would be enough for most of the CD1
17:52<vortek>mine are small 140 megs
17:53<chris_se>oh wow
17:53<vortek>i used em for alternative to floppies hehe
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17:53<sney>do you live in 2002? lol
17:53<vortek>can i get instruction on how to dbootstarp a install>?
17:53<vortek>hehehe
17:53<sney>!ig
17:53<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/installmanual . See also <errata>, <jessie release notes>.
17:54<sney>it's in there somewhere. and 'man debootstrap'. it's not trivial, and I will not walk you through it either
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17:55<chris_se>debootstrap is tricky: if you really know what you are doing you can do that (I recently did on a headless server with RAID, LUKS and decryption over network in the initramfs), but with your level of experience I wouldn't recommend it
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17:55<vortek>ok hehe
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17:56<chris_se>what's your partitioning scheme?
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17:58<vortek>i got one 500 gig disk with 250 gigs for winblows and 250 gig for debain
17:59<chris_se>you have windows?
17:59<chris_se>there's an installer for windows: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader
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18:00<chris_se>see also: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
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18:00<chris_se>quote: It puts them in a Windows directory and safely modifies the Windows bootloader to enable a choice between the legacy Windows installation and the Debian installer at boot time.
18:00<vortek>the goodbye microsoft wont work with wireless
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18:02<chris_se>I haven't tried that, but can't it download a CD1 instead of netinst? Also, you can put the firmware on the Windows drive - you can then mount that from Linux once it's installed and copy the firmware from there and install it
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18:04<vortek>how do i mount a win drive in linux?
18:04<chris_se>mount
18:04<chris_se>figure out what the partition is
18:04<chris_se>(as root: fdisk -l is your friend)
18:04<chris_se>-l == list
18:04<vortek>cuase i will be using the goodbye-microsoft to do it
18:05<vortek>its /dev/sda1
18:05<chris_se>mount -r /dev/sda1 /mnt
18:05<chris_se>mounts /dev/sda1 readonly to /mnt
18:05<chris_se>omit the -r if you want read-write support
18:05<vortek>ok
18:05<chris_se>install ntfs-3g if necessary
18:05<chris_se>(that's the NTFS driver for linux)
18:05<vortek>will thay work wih the instllaer from goodbye-microsoft?
18:06<chris_se>warning: if you use Windows 8 or higher, then you need to disable quick boot or what it's called in the operating system
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18:06<vortek>sin7
18:06<vortek>win7
18:06<chris_se>ok, then you still need to make sure you didn't hibernate your system instead of shutting down
18:07<chris_se>So I haven't tried this windows-based installer for Debian myself, I only know it exists. I assumed that you could install a complete system with it without it requiring network access - and then you could mount the Windows partition from within the newly installed system.
18:07<chris_se>Maybe that's not possible and it always requires network access.
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18:07<chris_se>In that case: sorry, get some more empty CDs or a new USB stick...
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18:08<vortek>ok
18:08<vortek>well i got a ethernet wireless to ethernet bridge ill try that
18:09<vortek>:)
18:09<vortek>or i have to get a cd by mail
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18:09<vortek>im in a hospital permanently
18:09<vortek>:)
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18:10<trump>s.
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18:12<trump>hey
18:12<chris_se>vortek, good luck
18:12<chris_se>be careful not to shred your windows partition while installing
18:12<chris_se>because otherwise you won't have internet access at all
18:13<vortek>i know
18:13<trump>pft be bold be brave, shred that partition
18:13<vortek>i done it before
18:13<vortek>hhehe
18:13<vortek>i wont hsred it
18:13<vortek>shred
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21:35<gas>Hi. My notebook has just suddenly turned off while I was working. Are there any log files I might check for any problems that could lead to this?
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21:36<teatime>I don't suppose you ran out of battery?
21:37<gas>It says 65%, and it's fairly new.
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21:37<chris_se>you could look in /var/log/syslog
21:37<gas>I was having an external HDD though.
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21:37<chris_se>but if it turned off suddenly, chances are that the log messages were not written to disk in time
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21:38<chris_se>typically, if something like that happens once, it's unlikely you'll be able to find out what was going on
21:39<teatime>if it was a cron script (which is very unlikely, unless you made it yourself) it would have made an entry in auth.log
21:39<teatime>and if it was a hardware problem, there may be hints about it in kern.log
21:39<teatime>if it wasn't sudde
21:39<teatime>I don't think anything monitors temperatures by default; that's a common cause of random reboots / shutdowns
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21:40<chris_se>it could also be that the computer turned itself off because of temperature (oh, you beat me to it)
21:40<teatime>gas: your basic strategy would be to 1) record the accurate time when the event occurs, and 2) look at all the logs, at and just before that time
21:40<gas>Nope, it's just slightly warm.
21:40<chris_se>btw. some hardware errors are also logged by the hardware itself
21:40<chris_se>you could try to install the 'mcelog' utility
21:41<chris_se>and run it - if it produces any output, your hardware logged errors
21:42<gas>Before the poweroff there is an entry in the syslog: hpsofa udisksd[1543]: Error performing housekeeping for drive /org/freedesktop/UDisk
21:42<gas>s2/drives/SAMSUNG_HM500JI_S1WFJD0Z120211: Error updating SMART data: sk_disk_check_sleep_mode: Opera
21:42<gas>tion not supported (udisks-error-quark, 0)
21:42<gas>Opps, sorry about that paste
21:42<teatime>gas: jsyk, not saying it's your current issue, but if vents / airflow paths are clogged with dust bunnies or cables etc., or if a fan has stopped running, it's easy for a cpu/gpu/whatever to overheat w/o really being obviously over-warm from the outside.
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21:44<chris_se>gas: that message shouldn't cause a shutdown
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21:45<teatime>worst case scenario for suddenly losing storage should be a kernel panic
21:45<teatime>rather than a sudden reboot
21:45<chris_se>yes
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21:45<teatime>however, I have had really weird problems caused by defective disks
21:45<chris_se>also note that this command indicates that your external drive controller doesn't support passing through SMART commands properly
21:45<chris_se>s/command/message/
21:46<gas>That happens to be the internal drive...
21:46<chris_se>oh
21:46<chris_se>do you have smartmontools installed?
21:46<gas>No
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21:46<chris_se>if not, please do so, and check what smartctl -a /dev/sda (or whatever the disk is) says
21:47<chris_se>don't post the entire output, just check whether it makes sense
21:47<gas>Lots of output...
21:47<chris_se>does it show any error in sending SMART commands?
21:48<chris_se>note: in the smart output you want to check a couple of things:
21:48<chris_se> - overall health status (near the top)
21:48<chris_se>should be "PASSED"
21:48<gas>In short, it says passed
21:48<gas>Yes
21:48<chris_se> - see that model / serial number are realistic
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21:49<chris_se>and then in the table with "SMART Attributes" you want to look at the following values:
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21:49<chris_se> - Reallocated_Sector_Ct (look at RAW_VALUE there, should be 0)
21:50<chris_se> - Temperature_Celsius (also RAW_VALUE, ideally ~ 30-33, but ~42 is still OK by most standards; much higher is considered to be very problematic)
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21:50<chris_se> - Raw_Read_Error_Rate: RAW_VALUE should be 0
21:50<teatime>chris_se: so, I was trying to run mcelog on my laptop to check it out; it says 'mcelog: AMD Processor family 20: Please use the edac_mce_amd module instead.' Do you have any idea where to specify that?
21:51<chris_se> - Offline_Unrecoverable: RAW_VALUE should be 0
21:51<chris_se>teatime, which version of Debian?
21:51<teatime>chris_se: I have a kernel module by that name, and modprobe'd it, and it's loaded, but it doesn't change the behavior.
21:51<teatime>chris_se: oh heh I'm actually on a fedora laptop...
21:51<teatime>please don't smack me.
21:51<chris_se>ok, which kernel version?
21:51<teatime>4.3.5
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21:52<chris_se>ok, that should be sufficiently new
21:52<chris_se>do you have any other EDAC modules loaded?
21:52<teatime>neg
21:53<teatime>may be built in tho?
21:53<chris_se>could be
21:53<gas>chris_se: all the raw values you mentioned are zero. The model, though, says "Western Digital". I guess it's correct, but what was that Samsung then...
21:54<chris_se>gas: then the error message you saw wasn't your internal drive but the external USB one
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21:54<gas>The external driver I had plugged is a Transcend. Could it be advertising itself as a Samsung?
21:54<chris_se>which would then go back to "USB adapter doesn't like SMART"
21:54<chris_se>gas: transcend doesn't produce hard drives, they only package them
21:54<chris_se>there are only 3 or 4 hard drive manufacturers world-wide
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21:55<chris_se>every external hard drive is just an internal hard drive + USB <-> SATA adapter
21:55<chris_se>(or USB <-> something else)
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21:55<flaggen_>hi, i'm having some trouble installing on an isw raid0
21:56<chris_se>teatime, are you ure that there's no other edac module loaded? (lsmod | grep edac)
21:56<teatime>chris_se: yeah
21:57<teatime>chris_se: don't worry about it though, it's not important
21:57<teatime>I was just curious, was unfamiliar w/ MCE
21:57<chris_se>teatime, so I've seen that work on both AMD and Intel systems in the past - but it always worked for me on Debian
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21:58<teatime>this is a weird CPU too
21:58<chris_se>(kernel too old was one issue with newer hardware, but if you're using 4.3 then that shouldn't be a problem)
21:58<teatime>I mean not that weird, but it's a dreadfully under-powered mobile one
21:58<chris_se>teatime, maybe it doesn't support MCE?
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21:58<chris_se>I've used that on high-end processors only so far
21:58<chris_se>(either high-end desktop processors or even stuff put in servers)
21:59<chris_se>flaggen_, what kind of trouble?
22:00<chris_se>gas: but regardless of the hard drive: an external hard drive, even if buggy, should not crash your system, and if it's connected via e.g. USB, I find it very unlikely that sth. like that causes a poweroff of the entire system - so the message is most likely unrelated
22:00<chris_se>(I can't exclude a connection completely though)
22:00<flaggen_>chris_se: the documentation says i need to use the rescue mode to install grub, only my raid isn't listed in the 'choose a root device' list, and i don't know how/where to mount it manually
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22:01<chris_se>flaggen_, did you enable the dmraid=true kernel option?
22:01<chris_se>see https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid
22:02<gas>chris_se: yes, it makes sense. It's just was somewhat scary when it turned off.
22:02<flaggen_>chris_se: i have enabled it yeah, the install itself went fine, but you apparently need to install grub again to make it actually work
22:03<teatime>if you have the typical consumer-level sata "raid" on your motherboard
22:03<teatime>you're better off just using software raid
22:03<chris_se>gas: I understand, but unfortunately unless you find something else in the logs it's unlikely that you'll find out why that happened
22:04<gas>My older laptop does that when it's overheated or, lately, when the battery loses it (while the system still thinks it's full)
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22:04<chris_se>flaggen_, yes, you do, see the page I linked - and in the rescue mode you also need to enable the option again
22:04<flaggen_>chris_se: i have enabled it both times, i have the raid in /dev/mapper/, i just can't choose it as my root from within the rescue tool
22:05<teatime>flaggen_: root for grub is actually /boot, not /
22:05<chris_se>flaggen_, did you partition the raid device?
22:05<chris_se>if so: maybe there's a slight issue with the installer...
22:05<chris_se>could you try the following: kpartx -a /dev/mapper/raiddevice
22:06<gas>There's nothing else "problematic" in the logs.
22:06<chris_se>gas: then you're likely out of luck
22:06<chris_se>sorry
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22:06<flaggen_>chris_se: everything has worked fine, i'm pretty sure the installer doesn't list my raid for some reason, because the documentation says that it should list raids at this stage
22:06<chris_se>flaggen_, replace /dev/mapper/raiddevice with the real name of the thing
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22:07<gas>Thank you guys, chris_se, teatime, for your help.
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22:10<teatime>I gotta run, but want to say, not trying to b unhelpful or anything, but the sw raid is legitimaely better than any like <$250 raid card.
22:10<chris_se>teatime, he left the channel ;-)
22:10<teatime>oh, damn
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22:11<chris_se>and while I agree in principle that SW raid is better (I'm using SW RAID myself right now), if you're not an expert with mdadm and such, having the BIOS do that work for you might be simpler
22:12<teatime>something is wrong w/ my keyboard; it keeps dropping keypresses.
22:12<teatime>...or maybe it's just because it's dark.
22:12<teatime>chris_se: maybe, although IMO it's not very hard and quite useful to learn.
22:12<teatime>chris_se: and in the raid 1 case, the worst case scenario is you screw up or give up, and still have a perfectly normal bootable disk
22:13<teatime>I wouldn't expect him to have any actual trouble until the day came to swap in a new disk for a failing one :)
22:13<chris_se>sure, and for me it's perfectly fine, but I do acknowledge that it's not quite as easy to use as it could be
22:13<teatime>I managed somehow to do that backwards the first time I tried on a raid1
22:13<chris_se>well, he was using RAID0 anyway, so if a disk fails, he has to reinstall anyway ;-)
22:14<teatime>and sync'd my new empty drive data to the remaining good disk.
22:14<chris_se>teatime, precisely what I mean
22:14<teatime>oh was it raid0?
22:14<chris_se><flaggen_> hi, i'm having some trouble installing on an isw raid0
22:15<teatime>sorry. part of my motivation was that w/ mdadmin raid1, grub/initramfs don't need to do anything special
22:15<teatime>which sata raid is like that too, I hope, but I have no idea
22:16<chris_se>you mean 0.9 metadata + full disk in RAID1?
22:16<teatime>chris_se: one of the big reasons I tend to go for sw raid in the absence of a real budget, is that if your controller fails, the only thing you need to access your data is ANY linux PC you can connect your disks to
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22:17<chris_se>(I currently have 2 spearate RAIDs for /boot and the LUKS container I'm using - and while grub supports RAID1 for /boot, I did have to select both sda and sdb in the debconf prompt to make sure grub is installed on both drives)
22:17<chris_se>teatime, yes, that's an advantage of course
22:17<teatime>chris_se: you can do it for individual partitions
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22:18<teatime>I have a machine that's as you say, just /boot as a transparent raid1
22:18<teatime>and the rest of those disks are a raid6
22:18<chris_se>teatime, yes, but you still need to do (once) grub-install /dev/sda ; grub-install /dev/sdb
22:18<teatime>and yes you would want to install the bootloader to all of them
22:18<chris_se>the actual grub stuff is separate and works with RAID1 (at least with grub2), yes
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22:18<chris_se>that's also how I'm using it
22:18<teatime>but that's not something grub has to do special, exactly.
22:19<chris_se>but if you replace a drive for example, you still need to re-do grub-install (after repartitioning) and you shouldn't forget that
22:19<chris_se>teatime, well, it does do some things special
22:19<teatime>I think you misunderstood me
22:20<chris_se>because typically newer RAID metadata is at the beginning of a partition (to make sure that other software doesn't see the file system on the individual drives)
22:20<teatime>I was just saying that in a rescue situation, you don't need drivers for your raid in order to access your data
22:20<chris_se>so it needs to understand the metadata
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22:20<teatime>or even boot the system
22:21<chris_se>teatime, grub needs to understand the RAID metadata to load itself and the kernel from the /boot partition _unless_ you're using 0.9-style metadata
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22:21<chris_se>I completely agree that SW RAID is advantageous precisely because it allows you to plug the drives into a different computer, but the fact that grub works so well out of the box with it is a credit to the grub developers, not because it's trivial
22:22<teatime>I didn't think the newer format *had* to be at the beginning and/or thought for raid1 it would default to whatever makes it transparent
22:22<chris_se>(it's not _that_ hard, to be fair, but there still is glue in grub)
22:22<teatime>but perhaps my arrays are just old enough for that to have been the case
22:22<chris_se>teatime, maybe the newer format can also be at the end (I don't know) but the default is at the beginning
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22:23<chris_se>https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_superblock_formats#The_version-1_Superblock_Format
22:23<teatime>O
22:23<teatime>I
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22:23<teatime>I'm already there, but I have to go anyway
22:24<chris_se>cu
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22:26<ramon>hola
22:26<ramon>hay alguien que hable espa;ol
22:27<chris_se>un poco
22:27<ramon>ok
22:27<chris_se>pero pienso que hay un channel en espanol
22:27<ramon>de donde esres cris_
22:27<chris_se>soy de alemana
22:27<ramon>ok
22:27<ramon>es que soy nuevo aqui
22:28<chris_se>hay #debian-es
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22:28<chris_se>puedes connectar con /join #debian-es
22:28<ramon>ok
22:28<chris_se>ai hablaran espanol
22:29<ramon>join #debian -es
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22:29<chris_se>no, "/join #debian-es" (sin los ")
22:29<ramon>ok
22:30<ramon>hi
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22:31<ramon>gente que hable espa;ol
22:32<ramon>hola
22:32<chris_se>todavia estas en #debian y no en #debian-es
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22:34<chris_se>aqui (#debian) es un channel ingles
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22:35<ramon>hola
22:36<ramon>holoa real
22:37<chris_se>todavia channel incorrecto :(
22:37<ramon>dime como le ago_
22:38<chris_se>tu client IRC ha una opcion para conectar con otras canales?
22:38<ramon>necesito ayuda para instalar debian jessie
22:39<ramon>qiero tener debian jessie y windows
22:39<chris_se>mi espanol no sufficiente para ayudarti, ya soy utilizando un diccionario
22:39<ramon>ayudame porfas
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22:40<ramon>hola crystal
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22:41<chris_se>tambien es muy tarde aqui y tengo que dormir... si quieres ayuda tienes que conectarti con #debian-es
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22:41<ramon>ok
22:42<ramon>gracias chis
22:42<ramon>chris
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22:43<chris_se>estas conectado con #debian, tienes que ver donde en tu client IRC esta ajustado y tienes que substituirlo con #debian-es
22:44<chris_se>sea como fuere: buenas noches, mucha suerte
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22:58<amoebob>Switched from Linux Mint Debian to latest pure Debian. HDMI is no longer recognized when it had been under LMDE. Laptop with Intel Haswell graphics. i965-va-driver is already installed. xrandr mentions only internal monitor and disconnected VGA. Though, Xorg.0.log mentions adding three HDMI input devices.
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23:05<amoebob>For example, "config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel HDMI HDMI/DP,pcm=3 (/dev/input/event10)" The other two vary by pcm and event number.
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23:17<debchaa>I'm trying to make ati proprietary work on my laptop and even though I followed the instructions it does not seem to be working.
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23:17<debchaa>The graphics are very slow/choppy and seems like fglrx is not being used
23:18<debchaa>in xord log I see: Failed to get EDID by ACPI
23:18<debchaa>googling does not help much, what can I do to better troubleshoot this and fix the issue?
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23:48<jojo>debhelper
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23:49<jojo>hi muka
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