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00:23<OHEruH>I try to use many ipv6 addresses on my eth0. when i was added new address, and do /etc/init.d/networking restart I don't see new IPv6 address (...:d002) in my ifconfig. What I am doing wrong? My config: http://pastebin.com/AyVGH0pf
00:25<teatime>what debian version?
00:26<OHEruH>Linux debian-512mb-ams2-01 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) i686 GNU/Linux
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00:28<teatime>so 8/Jessie?
00:29<OHEruH>yes, imho. don't sure
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00:30<OHEruH>this is digital ocean vps standard droplet
00:30<teatime>for one thing, if you're running systemd I don't think running the /etc/init.d scripts like that is valid anymore
00:31<teatime>not sure though
00:31<teatime>also do you have an 'auto eth0' line?
00:31<teatime>it looks right to me, at first glance, otherwise.
00:31<themill>"restarting networking" just isn't a sensible thing and hasn't done anything useful for several releases, independent of init system
00:32<teatime>uh, I'm gonna need you to prove that to me.
00:32<teatime>it seems to do exactly what I want, for me
00:32<OHEruH>my full config: http://pastebin.com/xaXmaAfk
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00:35<teatime>OHEruH: make sure you do this in screen or something similar: does it work if you do `ifdown eth0; ifup eth0` ?
00:35<OHEruH>ifdown: interface eth0 not configured
00:35<OHEruH>RTNETLINK answers: File exists
00:35<OHEruH>Failed to bring up eth0.
00:36<OHEruH>o_O
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00:36<teatime>oh, that actually might be a known limitation of ifupdown
00:37<storge>ip link set eth0 up ?
00:37<OHEruH>root@debian-512mb-ams2-01:~# ip link set eth0 up show nothing.
00:38<teatime>OHEruH: even though yoru syntax is suppose to work
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00:38<storge>that's a good thing, no output, i think
00:38<teatime>OHEruH: you may have better luck adding `ip addr add` and `ip addr del` commands as preup and predown lines
00:38<teatime>postup and predown rather
00:38<OHEruH>when i do 'ifconfig' i don't see second ipv6
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00:40<OHEruH>root@debian-512mb-ams2-01:~# ifconfig
00:40<OHEruH>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 04:01:ad:12:b6:01
00:40<OHEruH> inet addr:82.196.8.66 Bcast:82.196.8.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
00:40<OHEruH> inet6 addr: fe80::601:adff:fe12:b601/64 Scope:Link
00:40<OHEruH> inet6 addr: 2a03:b0c0:0:1010::109:d001/64 Scope:Global
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00:40<storge>why does it tell him to use a pastebin *after* he's kicked
00:40<teatime>I know what broke part of your ifdown though
00:40<teatime>you have the up line for ipv4 w/o down
00:40<teatime>1 sec
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00:42<themill>storge: it doesn't
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00:42<teatime>http://pastebin.com/JxN8nrY7
00:42<teatime>see if this doesn't work better for you
00:42<OHEruH>Thx. trying...
00:43<OHEruH>how i can correct restart? '/etc/init.d/networking restart'?
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00:44<teatime>service command should be init-agnostic
00:44<teatime>so `service networking restart`
00:44<OHEruH>ok
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00:44<themill>there will be no difference in the outcome
00:45<OHEruH>no d002 after restat. :(
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00:46<teatime>what about if you do, in screen or whatever, `ifdown --force eth0; ifup eth0` ?
00:46<OHEruH>RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address
00:47<OHEruH>My configurable address range: 2a03:b0c0:0:1010::109:d000 - 2a03:b0c0:0:1010::109:d00f
00:47<OHEruH>Maybe I write wrong ipv6 new address?
00:47<teatime>I think that's coming from the up running w/o the down having deconfigured the one addr
00:48<MeatHammer>im trying to start an LXC container, following these directions: https://wiki.debian.org/LXC everything has gone well until I actually try to start the container with "sudo lxc-start -n myvm -d" which returns an error about 'no log file' and 'no configuration file will crash the host'. what am I doing wrong. Jessie and container is also jessie
00:48<OHEruH>teatime: hmmmm. if i do 'ip -6 addr' I see second ipv6. o_O
00:49<OHEruH>look: http://pastebin.com/vH2GmTRs
00:49<teatime>it probably just added it this last time you ran it
00:49<teatime>I'm sure it's in the other output too
00:49<russ_>i'll buy an alfa card nh or nha or n for some adderall xanax klonopin or suboxone
00:50<jmcnaught>MeatHammer: do the log and config files exist in /var/lib/lxc/myvm ?
00:50<OHEruH>YEAH, IT WORKS WITH YOUR CONFIG! THX! :)
00:51<MeatHammer>jmcnaught: yes they do, "myvm.log"
00:51<MeatHammer>jmcnaught: "lxc-start 1456638165.169 ERROR lxc_start_ui - Executing '/sbin/init' with no configuration file may crash the host"
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00:52<russ_>what's the command to find out my computers GPU again? i always forget it. oclhashcat needs the drivers.
00:53<MeatHammer>lol
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00:53<jmcnaught>MeatHammer: any errors in the output of "lxc-checkconfig"? What command did you use to create the container?
00:53<MeatHammer>jmcnaught: none
00:54<MeatHammer>lxc-create -n debian8 -t debian -- -r jessie
00:55<MeatHammer>jmcnaught: thats the command from the wiki
00:56<OHEruH>teatime, thx
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00:56<teatime>np
00:57<russ_>anyone here good with scripting metasploit?
00:57<MeatHammer>they got metasploit for android now
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00:58<russ_>i know but it has flaws
00:58<jmcnaught>MeatHammer: the command you used to create the container is named "debian8" but the command to start it was named "myvm". What does "lxc-ls -f" list for you?
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00:59<russ_>i rooted my phone and got the kali kernal on my htc the roblem is. is that you have to download everything manually it doesn't come with aircrack-ng or metasploit-framework
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00:59<MeatHammer>woops sorry jmcnaught i clicked the wrong thing. can you post that command again?
00:59<jmcnaught>russ_: it doesn't seem like #debian is the right channel for this
01:00<MeatHammer>#hack is thataway man!
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01:00<jmcnaught>MeatHammer: it seems like you were mixing up the name of the container. "lxc-ls" will list the containers, make sure that you use the correct name in the lxc-start command
01:00<MeatHammer>did I name it debian8 or jessie?
01:00<russ_>i'm not hacking anything but my own stuff i don't black hat hack anyways
01:01<MeatHammer>jmcnaught: ok i see one debian8
01:01<storge>of course not. no one does
01:01<MeatHammer>lolol
01:01<jmcnaught>MeatHammer: i recommend spending some time with the lxc-start, lxc-create etc man pages. "-n" means name
01:01<teatime>themill: I can't find much that says not to use the networking service, other than one guy on a mailing list who doesn't give a reason. it seems to still have the old behavior for me here, of ifdown -a; ifup -a
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01:01<MeatHammer>jmcnaught: ok tyvm
01:01<teatime>or something similar to that
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01:04<teatime>yup, confirmed, tha's literally exactly what it does
01:05<teatime>not quite "nothing"
01:05<themill>teatime: networking is not a daemon so you're not restarting it. You can't just deconfigure and reconfigure either as you've just seen here.
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01:05<teatime>it's not a daemon, but the init script still does soemthing useful when you call it w/ restart
01:05<teatime>which is what the systemd service definition does
01:05<themill>I didn't say it did nothing I said it didn't do anything useful. If it did something useful, then you wouldn't have spent all this time fixing OHEruH's networking config
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01:07<themill>For a very small number of configurations, it does something useful
01:07<themill>And unfortunately, for the situation where you're actually wanting to change the configuration, it normally does nothing.
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01:07<teatime>I know exactly what you're talking about
01:08<teatime>really, if you stop networking, change config, start networking, you would never have an issue
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01:08<themill>The concept of "start" and "stop" is still rather awkward and tends to be confusing.
01:09<teatime>well ifupdown (for better or worse) keeps its own internal state
01:09<teatime>you know, it seems like
01:09<teatime>either it shouldn't bother to do that
01:09<teatime>or it should be able to leverage it to make ifdown work even if interfaces has changed
01:09<teatime>themill: well, switching to ifdown/ifup doesn't help you in the least
01:10<teatime>I don't think the right answer should be "interfaces can only be used at boot; after that, duplicate any new persistant changes into both that file, and manual ip addr commands`
01:10<themill>ifupdown needs to go away
01:11<teatime>you'll probably get your wish, I don't think anyone cares about its outstanding bugs or mis-features anymore
01:11<teatime>I think that's a mistake though, unless one of the replacements like netscript2 gets blessed to take over the spot
01:13<russ_>when i try running metasploit on mint i get " install actionpack by install bundle" and i do bundle install and i get this message Could not locate Gemfile or .bundle/ directory. any idea why msfconsole will not work ?
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01:16<jmcnaught>russ_: this is also not the mint channel
01:17<russ_>it's debian based
01:17<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell russ_ about based on debian
01:17<russ_>omg why do you care?
01:18<jmcnaught>russ_: it has a lot to do with people in #debian not knowing all of the changes in all of the derivatives, and not wanting to give incorrect information. There's also a respect element to it. In story form: https://wiki.debian.org/TheFable
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01:23<russ_>okay on my kali machine oclhashcat doesn't run yet because of a driver i'm currently installing ..hhow much faster do you think it will be than aircrack-ng cpu bassed cracking around 1300kbs?
01:23*storge takes off his "know every obscure fact" hat
01:24<jmcnaught>russ_: you'll get more help if you find a more appropriate channel. best of luck.
01:25<russ_>trying lol
01:25<russ_>i don't know how that question wasn't proper enough for you
01:26<jmcnaught>russ_: maybe you could try ##linux on freenode
01:26<russ_>you like making people feel stupid? i mean you didn't make me feel stupid but you are going out of your way to be a ****
01:26<themill>russ_: we volunteer to help debian users with problems we know about. Please respect how we choose to spend our time.
01:27<russ_>why not just ignore the question? if i was spamming up this channel i'd see why
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01:27<storge>ignoring seems rude
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02:11<trump>lol looks like i missed something interesting
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03:34<andria>Hi everyone, How can i choose the default screen at the screenlogin ? i would like the dvi-0 and not hdmi-0 Thanks you :)
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04:07<trump>does debian by default only go into hibernate instead of shutting down with shutdown cmd?
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04:09<trump>andria, im not sure. i got the same situation but tbh i just ignore it.
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04:11<andria>hi trump, problem appears at startup or just disconnect
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04:48<teatime>andria: you an make an Xorg config file
04:48<andria>sure !
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04:51<teatime>jmcnaught: this debian fable is pretty annoying.
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04:52<teatime>it gets worse as it goes on, too.
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05:57<phenomenon>Hi, I have a Asus F302LA (intel graphics) and I have tried the normal fixes for brightness buttons and brightness at max when restarting. And touchpad not working after suspend. I'm running Ubuntu atm. Is it possible that Debian has more compatibility?
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06:07<vortek>hello
06:07<vortek>did they fix that kde bug yet?
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06:26<vortek>my kde plasma crashed... now i got black screen with nothing on it but hexchat
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06:28<vortek>any ideas on ow t get kde-plasma without going to a vt and shutdown -r now?
06:29<vortek>ow=how t =to
06:29<amacater>There is also a #debian-kde channel
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06:30<at0m>vortek: you could "/etc/init.d/kdm restart", but that will kill open X apps
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06:30<vortek>ok
06:30<vortek>thanxs
06:31<at0m>you won't need to reboot then
06:31<vortek>amacater sorry i did not know if this was a kde prob or a debian prob
06:31<vortek>at0m thanxsQ
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06:47<aLLamoox>Hi I ran a fork bomb in my Ubuntu 12.04 Server (64 bits), since then I can't even connect to my pc how ever I restarted it. every time I restart the pc I can login for only two minutes then the server die.
06:48<aLLamoox>any way to stop this fork bmob without reinstalling the os
06:48<aLLamoox>I tried to restart in rescue mode
06:48<aLLamoox>and tried pkill -u root
06:49<aLLamoox>but still the problem exist, I was following this tutorial http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-limiting-user-process.html
06:49<aLLamoox>and this is the fork bomb I ran, :(){ :|:& };:
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06:59<at0m>dpkg: tell aLLamoox about ubuntu
07:00<amacater>This is not a support channel for Ubuntu: reading the tutorial - if you set the limits - log in as root and unset them. ps -elf to find the process of the fork bomb, then kill -9 the process
07:01<amacater>Oh - and learn some sysadmin skills before you run random scripts to see what they do
07:01<amacater>kill -9 [numeric id of the process]
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07:02<floki>Hello, i can install gnome 3.2?
07:04<amacater>floki - which version of Debian are you running?
07:04<floki>8.3
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07:06<aLLamoox>thankx amacater
07:06<amacater>Probably not from native Debian packages at the moment: 8.3 has 3.14, unstable is 3.18
07:06<amacater>You could set up a virtual machine somewhere and try running 3.2 but you might face quite a lot of building ...
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07:10<TobiX>floki: GNOME 3.2 was released in September 2011, you sure you need this old version?
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07:11<amacater>3.18 is the latest release version
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07:13<TobiX>Debian wheezy (oldstable) has 3.4...
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07:14<amacater>Squeeze LTS may have older - that's Debian 6 - but goes out of support tomorrow.
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07:16<stephen0001>I don't know about you guys, but this issue exists for years and today specifically is driving me crazy. My sound randomly fluctuates while the volume remains the same to both app and system. What the hell is going on? Can someone advice how to freaking debug this thing?
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07:16<floki>Oh, sorry I messed up something
07:17<floki>I'm just find this http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/gorgeous-apricity-os-gets-new-beta-might-include-gnome-3-20-next-month-s-beta-501066-2.jpg
07:17<floki>And I liked the icons
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07:18<floki>My bad, sorry
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07:20<anonymous>qq all
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07:22<TobiX>floki: Ah :) 3.2 vs. 3.20 - a common mistake :)
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07:26<TobiX>floki: Not in Debian stable, for progress in unstable, see #debian-next (or #debian-gnome ?) or http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/status.html
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07:27<floki>Tobix thank you
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07:28<floki>Tobix you know ho to install nvidia drivers for laptop?
07:28<floki>Lenovo g710 nvidia 820M
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07:39<CutMeOwnThroat>stephen0001, sounds more like a hardware thing... which you can debug on the software-side as long as you want
07:39<stephen0001>CutMeOwnThroat: no it's not hardware for sure
07:39<stephen0001>this is the second PC with totally different specs than my original that behaved the same
07:40<stephen0001>the first time it happened was with a Creative SoundBlaster Live 5.1 sound card and now I'm using an on-board sound card with Intel chip
07:40<stephen0001>nothing have changed
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07:43<Brigo>stephen0001, i think the system hates you :)
07:43<stephen0001>probably
07:43<stephen0001>or hates Metal music in general lol
07:44<Brigo>stupid system, then :D
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07:44<CutMeOwnThroat>well, sound became complicated
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07:46<stephen0001>i miss the good ol' days where things were simpler :/
07:46<blast007>stephen0001: did both systems use the same speakers?
07:46<stephen0001>blast007: yep
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07:46<stephen0001>I tested them on my brother's PC and worked just fine
07:46<stephen0001>WinBlows system
07:46<CutMeOwnThroat>you need to work your way up
07:47<blast007>k :) just wanted to rule out external causes
07:47<stephen0001>newer distro versions confuse the hell out of me
07:47<blast007>floki: which apt-get command had you run from the Bumblebee wiki page?
07:47<CutMeOwnThroat>stephen0001, guess you can somehow kill pulse and all daemons and write to /dev/dsp directly after loading snd-pcm-oss
07:48<CutMeOwnThroat>if it still happens it's your hardware or the kernel alsa/oss code itself
07:48<CutMeOwnThroat>more likely you find some auto-volume-correct on the way of switching everything off
07:48<stephen0001>CutMeOwnThroat: I have tried something like that a couple of weeks ago, but end up with no sound at all
07:49<CutMeOwnThroat>normal programs may not find the sound devices anymore
07:49<CutMeOwnThroat>but cat somemusic.wav > /dev/dsp should work
07:50<CutMeOwnThroat>the hard part is probably switching everything off...
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07:50<CutMeOwnThroat>it may be easiest to uninstall stuff... but then I would make sure to have some backup-type solution in place
07:50<CutMeOwnThroat>at the very least the list of packages that need to be installed agai
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07:52<stephen0001>annoying as hell
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07:55<CutMeOwnThroat>hmm, on my system, /dev/dsp cant read a 16bit wav
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07:59<stephen0001>CutMeOwnThroat: this is really annoying, seriously
08:02<amacater>Speakers - stupid thing - just move leads etc. - no loose wires / loose connection in plugs / put switch cleaner on jack plug that connects to computer ...
08:02<amacater>Eliminate all physical causes _first :)
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08:04<stephen0001>been there done that hundreds of times so far
08:05<CutMeOwnThroat>stephen0001, for me, pulseaudio -k; cat something > /dev/dsp works (after loading the oss kernel module I mentioned)
08:06<CutMeOwnThroat>only something has to be an 8 bit 8 khz wav
08:06<stephen0001>CutMeOwnThroat: I did not say pulseaudio doesn't work; I said it fluctuates my sound at random
08:06<floki>blast007 apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus
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08:09<CutMeOwnThroat>stephen0001, no, you said you don't know what makes the fluctuation and I said you should find out
08:09<stephen0001>and I'm doing my research CutMeOwnThroat
08:10<CutMeOwnThroat>well, I just told you a way to find out if it's in the alsa code or in one of the ones (pulse, sound server, whatever) that come after alsa
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08:13<stephen0001>OK, and how to I prepare an 8 bit wav file?
08:13<stephen0001>how *do I
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08:21<CutMeOwnThroat>stephen0001, you can use aplay -D somepcm (e.g. "front") aplay -L shows you the names
08:22<CutMeOwnThroat>and I had to do "chmod a-x /usr/bin/pulseaudio" to run that, else pulse would be restarted too quickly (and I don't really know what's restarting it)
08:22<CutMeOwnThroat>then it should be pure alsa
08:23<SynrG>stephen0001: are we pursuing this as a testing/unstable problem on #debian-next, or as a jessie problem here? i just looked and realized you're seeking support in both places ...
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08:24<SynrG>probably best if we merge the conversation onto the single, most appropriate channel :)
08:24<lindi-_>CutMeOwnThroat: /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf.d//pulse.conf
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08:24<lindi-_>CutMeOwnThroat: that starts pulseaudio?
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08:26<CutMeOwnThroat>lindi-_, that's the alsa-stuff that pulse loads when it is started?
08:26<lindi-_>CutMeOwnThroat: that's the pulse stuff that alsa loads when you run e.g. "aplay foo.wav"
08:27<lindi-_>CutMeOwnThroat: there are also other files in the same directory
08:27<lindi-_>CutMeOwnThroat: for example if you have "pcm.!default { type pulse ..." then alsa uses pulse by default
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09:01<amoebob>My laptop's HDMI to external monitor worked fine under Linux Mint Debian Edition. I installed pure Debian and connecting the cable is unrecognized. Intel Haswell Mobile running driver i915. I have xserver-xorg-video-intel, i965-va-driver, and x86-video-intel up to date. xrandr indicates only internal, VGA1, and VIRTUAL1. Xorg.0.log mentions adding three HDA Intel HDMI devices (pcms 3, 7, 8). Trying to determine the next
09:01<amoebob>troubleshooting step. Thank you!
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09:04<CutMeOwnThroat>lindi-_, good to know.
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09:07<chris_se>amoebob, which Debian version, which kernel, which xserver-xorg-video-intel version, what processor model precisely?
09:08<dvs>amoebob: You might need the version from backports
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09:11<amoebob>chris_se: Debian 8.3. Kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64. Intel i7-4710MQ.
09:13<SynrG>amoebob: possibly you need a newer kernel and xorg
09:13<SynrG>,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
09:13<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20160218-1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20160218-1
09:13<SynrG>amoebob: that, and the kernel are available in jessie-backports
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09:14<SynrG>possibly also mesa. dunno about that
09:14<SynrG>,v libgl1-mesa-dri
09:14<judd>Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; squeeze: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 11.1.2-1~bpo8+1; sid: 11.1.2-1; stretch: 11.1.2-1
09:14<chris_se>hmmm i7-4710MQ is haswell
09:14<chris_se>that is supported with stock Jessie kernels + xorg drivers
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09:15<chris_se>unless there's some weird thing with the mobile version that isn't quite supported
09:15<SynrG>chris_se: supported yes, but the specific issue might be fixed in a later version
09:15<SynrG>yeah
09:15<chris_se>but if KMS works in general (you do have a GUI on the laptop screen?) then maybe it would be sufficient to just upgrade the Xorg driver
09:15<SynrG>it's likely LMDE had one or more of those components more recent
09:15<amoebob>I haven't tried the backports yet. Good advice.
09:15<chris_se>activate jessie-backports http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ (use jessie instead of squeeze)
09:16<chris_se>and install xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports
09:16<chris_se>(start with that)
09:16<chris_se>apt-get install -t jessie-backports xserver-xorg-video-intel
09:16<chris_se>and restart your X session
09:16<chris_se>if that doesn't help, install a kernel from backports
09:16<chris_se>apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-latest-amd64
09:16<chris_se>then reboot
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09:17<chris_se>if that doesn't help I don't know
09:17<chris_se>(upgrading mesa might be useful for OpenGL, but it won't help if the outputs aren't detected, those are independent of mesa)
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09:18<SynrG>i mentioned mesa only because having a matched set might be important once you move the other components forward
09:19<amoebob>Thank you Chris, SynrG, and judd. I need to disconnect to try. Will let you know how it goes.
09:19<chris_se>good luck
09:19<SynrG>amoebob: judd is a bot
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09:19<amoebob>I fail :)
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09:19<MrFrood>bots have feelings too
09:19<chris_se>SynrG, in my experience that's not the case in jessie-backports, you can use xserver-xorg-video-intel from jessie-backports w/o updated mesa
09:20<chris_se>was a different story with Squeeze and Wheezy, because there were major ABI changes related to the driver interface with mesa
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09:20<SynrG>chris_se: k.
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09:20<SynrG>i defer to your greater experience here :)
09:20<chris_se>(at least that's what I remember, been a while)
09:22<chris_se>that said, upgrading mesa might still be required if OpenGL turns out to be buggy with the newer processor, but it's not required to get a picture
09:22<chris_se>I've used kernel + xorg driver without upgraded mesa on Skylake
09:22<chris_se>(on Jessie from backports)
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09:31<TobiX>CutMeOwnThroat: btw, probably the simplest way to get pulseaudio out of the way is something like this: pasuspender -- speaker-test -t wav -l 1 -c 2 -D hw:0,0
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09:36<chris_se>btw. is anyone from the FrontDesk team here? I asked for collab-maint access on alioth earlier this week (I'm a DM) and haven't heard back yet...
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09:47<CutMeOwnThroat>TobiX, oh my
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09:52<TobiX>CutMeOwnThroat: What? Removing the executable bit from the pulseaudio binary and killing it is anything but elegant, where the pulseaudio-developers give you a tool, namely pasuspender to make sure pulseaudio isn't messing with your audio hardware...
09:52<CutMeOwnThroat>yes, I understood that
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10:28<kpcyrd>anybody tried installing systemd/sid into stable?
10:28<kpcyrd>I need a more recent version and there are no backports
10:28<chris_se>no, and you shouldn't do that
10:29<chris_se>systemd is such a core component of the system that it's unwise to only upgrade that
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10:29<kpcyrd>are there known issues?
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10:30<kpcyrd>I'm trying to avoid patching my own version, for obvious reasons
10:30<chris_se>none that I know of right now - but the problem is that a semi-stable semi-testing/sid system is definitely unsupported from the Debian PoV
10:31<chris_se>you could of course just start to track stretch (testing) if you really need newer software
10:31<chris_se>or you could tell us what you need from newer versions, maybe there's a workaround for Jessie
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10:34<kpcyrd>I'm ok with an unsupported system. systemd-journal-upload is missing in stable
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10:34<kpcyrd>(I've also noticed the nspawn-tun patch isn't included in stable)
10:35<chris_se>why not compile systemd-journal-upload from newer sources yourself and put in in /usr/local + the service file in /etc/systemd?
10:35<chris_se>that way the core systemd package remains that of Jessie, but systemd-journal-upload is so isolated that manually compiling it separately shouldn't be a problem
10:35<chris_se>(haven't tried that myself, just a suggestion)
10:36<chris_se>nspawn-tun: what patch? note that if this is something that breaks some serious use cases, you could ask the debian systemd maintainers to make a stable bugfix update
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10:38<kpcyrd>chris_se: /dev/net/tun isn't created in nspawn namespaces. I have a patch I've applied to the jessie release and tested that for some months. can you point me to their channel?
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10:39<chris_se>is that patch upstream and in unstable?
10:39<kpcyrd>yes
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10:39<chris_se>well, there's #debian-systemd here on IRC (haven't been there myself), but you can also just open a bug report and ask for a stable update (no idea if the release team will accept it though)
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10:41<chris_se>no idea if anyone of the official systemd maintainer's going to be in IRC on sunday though
10:41<chris_se>still, you could put your own patched version of nspawn in /usr/local as well
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10:42<chris_se>or use dpkg-divert to replace the official version
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10:42<chris_se>that seems far easier than replacing the entire package with something from sid
10:42<chris_se>(IMHO)
10:43<amoebob>chris_se: The intel jessie-backports video driver did the trick. Thank you for your help!
10:43<chris_se>amoebob, np, though SynrG also had the same idea, I can't take all the credit :)
10:44<amoebob>That's true. Thank you, SynrG as well. I'm glad the solution was straight-forward.
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11:01<chris_se>kpcyrd, of course, you can ignore my advice and still install systemd from sid - in that case: 1) add sid to your sources.list, 2) store http://paste.debian.net/409592/ as /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd and 3) do an apt-get dist-upgrade
11:01<chris_se>(the apt preferences file pins away sid completely so that nothing from sid is installed and then whitelists specific packages)
11:02<chris_se>(note that future versions of systemd might not be installable because they acquire more dependencies, so you might have to amend that file)
11:02<chris_se>and as I said: not supported, if you do that, you're on your own. don't come asking for help if you screw up your system
11:03<chris_se>also: not tested (APT will do the right thing with this file, but whether the dist-upgrade actually works - no idea)
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11:04<kpcyrd>chris_se: don't worry, hobby project and I'd just re-provision if it breaks badly
11:04<kpcyrd>chris_se: I found a package in testing that contains the binaries I'm missing without replacing systemd
11:05<chris_se>kpcyrd, yes, that's built from the systemd source package, it has Breaks/Replaces for the systemd package, you won't be able to install that in parallel to your normal systemd package
11:08<chris_se>kpcyrd, use this: http://paste.debian.net/409614/ instead, handles multi-arch better (using :any)
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11:11<kpcyrd>chris_se: looks like it simply drops in the binaries, no Breaks/Replaces and Depends is just systemd. has some other dependencies to testing tho, I think I'll compile the binaries I need myself
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11:11<kpcyrd>or wait for the next debian release
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11:12<chris_se>fyi: the release team moved the freeze by 2 months, so Debian 9 is likely to be released not before March 2017
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11:13<kpcyrd>I'll make sure I have enough tea. Thanks for the info.
11:16<chris_se>(note t
11:16<chris_se>(note that the Jessie freeze was November and it was released only in April, so March is kind of a lower limit)
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11:32<marby>I have a question regarding the the /opt, and the /usr/local folder. From my understanding, programs that I use make/make install are placed in the /usr/local/ folder correct? Well, what is the point of the /opt folder? I understand its owned by root, and from my research it states that packages not maintained by the system are stored here. Well what does that mean in more simple terms?
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11:34<chris_se>marby, /usr/local is for stuff that follows the FHS
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11:34<salman>greetings
11:35<salman>I am transfering files using usb3 port and usb cable but I am only getting 470KB/s speed in text mode, what could be the problem?
11:35<salman>is this normal?
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11:35<chris_se>so if you have a standard free software package and do the ./configure, make and make install trifecta, /usr/local is typically what you want
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11:36<chris_se>/opt is kind of used for third-party packages that don't conform to FHS, for example large packages ported from windows
11:36<chris_se>salman, no, this isn't normal
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11:38<salman>I think I have reach my limits with this upgrade... maybe it is time to start over :-(
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11:42<marby>Can you give me an example of a /opt program what would be stored here? For example, would the tor-browser program be stored here?
11:42<marby>Since it runs, without using make/make install etc
11:43<blast007>marby: Symantec Endpoint Protection would install to /opt ;)
11:46<chris_se>marby, I don't know about the tor browser specifically, I was thinking more about non-free software
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11:47<chris_se>like in engineering/university contexts if you have MATLAB, that's often installed in /opt
11:47<chris_se>(/opt/matlab or so)
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11:47<marby>Oh perfect, I understand that
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11:49<chris_se>any package that are distributed via Debian (official 'main' packages, but also unofficial 'contrib' and 'non-free' packages) are required by policy to NOT fill /opt
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11:50<chris_se>(there's a lintian error tag for that: <https://lintian.debian.org/tags/dir-or-file-in-opt.html>, and it's a fatal autoreject from the archive)
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11:52<chris_se>see also: http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_2.3/fhs-2.3.html#OPTADDONAPPLICATIONSOFTWAREPACKAGES
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11:54<marby>Okay, thanks that clears up a lot of my questions. Forgive me if this is the propper channel to be asking these questions. I'm just trying to clean up my directory hierarchy. I guess another question I have is where do you guys typically place programs you clone off of github? Typically what I've done is create a directory inside $HOME named github, then store all clone programs in there. Would this be the p
11:54<marby>ropper place to store programs such as that? This is strictly regarding where in the debian hierarchy to place programs to stay organized.
11:54<marby>Thanks Chris
11:56<chris_se>what exactly do you mean "clone off github"?
11:56<chris_se>so I typically place something like that somewhere in my home directory
11:57<chris_se>but if you want to "install" such a program, then install it either for your user (you can use $HOME/.local/bin, $HOME/.local/lib, etc. for that and add $HOME/.local/bin to your PATH) - or you install it system-wide in /usr/local or /opt, depending on what kind of package that is
11:58<chris_se>but it also depends: so if it's a webapp, you install it in /var/www or /srv, depending on how you configured your webserver
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11:58<chris_se>the fact that the original source is something you get off github shouldn't matter w.r.t. where you put it
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12:00<marby>For example, say I found a program someone wrote off github. For an example a program/script that downloads music files off of soundcloud. Typically I store everything cool I find off github and just store it in a folder named "github" in my home directory. Then I know where all that stuff is
12:01<Guest5931>Hi, what permissions should I give to everything on my data partition. This partition is at the moment connected to a running distro with DE, because I want to categorize the data into folders. Later on I'll use it for samba shares (I can change the permissions again then). At the moment I can't access part of the data because I"m not the owner.
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12:02<Guest5931>I believe a recursive chmod would be the tool.
12:02<chris_se>marby, well, that's kind of up to you
12:03<chris_se>organize the stuff in a way that you're happy with it
12:03<lindi-_>Guest5931: what filesystem are you using?
12:03<Guest5931>ext4
12:03<marby>Okay, I just didn't know if there was best practices for stuff like that. Once again, just trying to clean up my system! thanks for the help
12:04<lindi-_>Guest5931: who is the owner of the files?
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12:04<Guest5931>#999 and the group is 999...
12:04<chris_se>marby, there are standards for the rest of the system so everyone knows where stuff is going
12:04<Guest5931>It was mounted in many different OSes before.
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12:04<lindi-_>Guest5931: maybe you could just change the owner to your own user?
12:04<lindi-_>Guest5931: with chown
12:05<chris_se>so if you administer a system for multiple different users, then you should probably try to put stuff in /usr/local or so just so nobody is surprised
12:05<chris_se>but if it's just your own system, and your own user account, then you can partition your home directory to your liking
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12:08<Guest5931>thanks lindi-_, will be good for now
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13:32<Temporary>Hello, dears! May anysoul to help me?
13:32<Temporary>A did upgrade to debian 8.3 (seems from 8.1) and ...
13:32<Temporary>http://pastebin.com/bEfxFqCP
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13:35<chris_se>Temporary, you need to reboot
13:35<chris_se>problem is that some kernel update broke compatibility between modules that weren't loaded yet and the running kernel
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13:40<Temporary>Thanks, but I did boot from LiveDVD and need to save some data. How possible to solve this problem without reboot?
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13:40<chris_se>Temporary, you could downgrade to your running kernel version
13:40<chris_se>what does uname -a say?
13:41<Temporary>Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt9-2 (2015-04-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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13:42<chris_se>go here: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux/3.16.7-ckt9-2/#linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64_3.16.7-ckt9-2
13:42<chris_se>and download the file "linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64_3.16.7-ckt9-2_amd64.deb"
13:43<chris_se>and then do on the command line sha1sum linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64_3.16.7-ckt9-2_amd64.deb
13:43<chris_se>and check whether the result matches what's on the website
13:43<chris_se>if it matches, install it: sudo dpkg -i linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64_3.16.7-ckt9-2_amd64.deb
13:44<chris_se>that will replace the installed kernel modules with that of the running kernel version of yours
13:44<chris_se>then you could try to mount things again (no guarantee that it will work though)
13:46<Temporary>Thank You for any case...
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14:16<Temporary>It worked perfectly. Thank you!
14:16<Temporary>Could You explain how You found this solution?
14:16<Temporary>At http://snapshot.debian.org/ I could not find neither "3.16.7-ckt9-2" or "linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64_3.16.7-ckt9-2_amd64".
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14:18<chris_se>Temporary, at http://snapshot.debian.org/ you can enter the name of the linux kernel package
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14:18<chris_se>for Jessie on amd64 that is linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
14:18<chris_se>so go to the field for "binary" package and enter that name
14:18<chris_se>you'll be redirected to:
14:18<chris_se>http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64/
14:19<chris_se>and there you can select the appropriate version
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14:20<chris_se>note though that between the old version and the current one several security bugs were fixed, so this is only a stopgap measure, you shouldn't keep a kernel that old around permanently
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14:22<chris_se>and also note that in your case this was really easy because there are no additional dependencies, so you could just dpkg -i the package - if you actually need a package which depends on other older versions, please read the documentation provided at http://snapshot.debian.org/ on how to add it to the APT source lists
14:22<chris_se>(but again: only use that for specific purposes, don't run a productive system with snapshot.d.o)
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14:50<Temporary>Thank Your. But what is right way to update production (for example) system without reboot?
14:50<Temporary>Can be You will advise something to read on these topics?
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14:50<oct>Is there a way to be a maintainer(without the need for sponsors) without having a DD signed key?
14:51<chris_se>Temporary, well, on a production system you'd only update the kernel immediately before a reboot (it doesn't make sense otherwise)
14:52<chris_se>so then it's not an issue
14:52<chris_se>also, all kernel modules that are already loaded at that time are not affected, it's just when new ones are tried to be loaded
14:53<chris_se>oct, well, if you have enough signatures by people that connect you to DDs, that would also be OK
14:54<chris_se>for example, you have signatures by people A, B and C on your key, where A is signed by a DD, B is signed by D and E, C is signed by F, and all D, E and F are signed by DDs
14:54<chris_se>otherwise: no, not possible
14:54<oct>chris_se: define "enough" ... apparently the only DDs closeby are an 8 hour drive away
14:55<chris_se>well, that sucks. perhaps on your next vacation there'll be one in the vicinity?
14:56<chris_se>I have no idea what would be enough, and rereading the wiki it appears you need at least one
14:56<chris_se>where do you live btw?
14:56<oct>chris_se: Greece
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14:57<chris_se>wow, there are only 4 DDs in greece... I would have expected more... :(
14:58<chris_se>OTOH, Greece is a common vacation spot for many people from Europe - you could ask whether a DD is planning on having a vacation there any time soon and if it's in your vicinity
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15:05<TobiX>oct: I think it is possible to get exceptions from that rule on some occasions...
15:05<oct>TobiX: any sources on that>
15:05<oct>?*
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15:06<chris_se>TobiX, but you still need to have some kind of web of trust established, so even if the key isn't signed by a DD it still must be signed by somebody who has some connection to a DD somehow
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15:07<chris_se>so let's say I visited you (I'm a DM) and signed your key, then _maybe_ you could get an exception, because my key is signed by other DDs
15:07<chris_se>but with an unsigned key you will definitely not get an exception
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15:09<chris_se>oct, when did you check w.r.t. people in your vicinity?
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15:10<TobiX>oct: Have you worked on Debian packes before?
15:11<TobiX>packages even....
15:11<lichen>Hi I used Debian awhile ago, I'm planning on installing it again. I want stable but still want non-free, what is the best way to ensure that I keep this stability on a new install as long as possible?
15:12<oct>TobiX: I intend to get sponsor for a few packages soon and I am in the information gathering phase about if I can procceed to DM or even DD in the future. So this is just informational for a few years down the line
15:12<chris_se>lichen, non-free does not mean unstable
15:12<mtn>lichen, use stable and don't add any other repos. non-free and contrib are still stable
15:13<chris_se>oct: well, typically before you get accepted as DM you need to work on Debian for a while
15:13<TobiX>oct: Well, then this process is at least 6 month away anyways, I think it would be possible to find someone to sign your key until then...
15:14<TobiX>I think I'm remembering a case from long time ago where there wasn't even a distinction between DM and DD...
15:14<chris_se>oct: you're aware of <https://wiki.debian.org/Keysigning/Offers>?
15:16<oct>chris_se: yup, one is at the other side of the country, the other is a 12 hour boat ride away(which eh, not that bad tbh)
15:16<lichen>any other repos like what? I need to install chrome, skype, synapse.. maybe a few others, is there something to look for (for breaking of packages) or I won't know until I try?
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15:16<chris_se>oct, don't just look at greece: are you sure you're not going to visit _any_ other european country in the next 12 months?
15:16<mtn>lichen, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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15:18<lichen>Thanks for the help
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15:18<chris_se>lichen, well, chrome and skype _typically_ don't break your system if you enable the repositories
15:19<chris_se>they could break themselves, but not the rest of the installed software
15:19<chris_se>(if you enable the correct repositories for the correct version of Debian)
15:19<chris_se>others: your mileage may vary - I've seen really bad examples of even free software 3rd party repositories that do awful stuff, and I've seen others that work just fine
15:20<lichen>I basically just added one of the mirror urls, used jessie and main contrib non-free
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15:20<chris_se>I suggest avoiding deb-multimedia
15:21<lichen>would I need that for codecs or is it something different?
15:21<chris_se>well, most codecs are already included in Debian itself
15:21<chris_se>maybe slightly older versions, but they work
15:22<chris_se>the _only_ thing that isn't part of debian IIRC is libdvdcss to play DVDs
15:22<lichen>ok and I never play dvds so not a big deal
15:22<chris_se>if you don't have a DVD drive, forget about it. if you do, look at https://wiki.debian.org/CDDVD
15:23<mtn>lichen, as you can see using the wiki is a good idea ;)
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15:24<chris_se>also note that you can selectively install things from debian backports if you really need newer versions for some things
15:26<lichen>one last thing that I always run into, if I'm using wine it always causes a mess of shortcuts, just me or is there a way to avoid this?
15:26<chris_se>what do you mean with mess?
15:26<chris_se>if you install stuff in wine it will automatically create shortcuts
15:27<chris_se>typically that works just fine (for me at least, Debian stable with wine from stable)
15:27<joe-public>lichen: if you use playonlinux to manage wine, you don't get the wine shortcuts everywhere; they stay within playonlinux.
15:27<lichen>let me see I can show an example
15:27<lichen>in xfce...
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15:28<lichen>https://i.gyazo.com/d74146d223012895f7c91e68174f3dce.png screenshot cut off, but you get the idea.
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15:29<reru>hey there, i'm currently trying to gather parts for a new PC, and well, obviously i'd like to install debian on it. i've been looking at the asus h170 pro-gaming motherboard, but i cant see that anyone reported using it, and worse yet ive seen people report problems running distros on h170 chipsets. how can i find out if that motherboard will work
15:29<reru>before buying it?
15:29<chris_se>lichen, that's weird, they should work out of the box
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15:29<chris_se>argh sorry
15:29<chris_se>didn't look correctly
15:29<chris_se>that doesn't happen for me
15:30<chris_se>lichen, in your case: https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#How_can_I_prevent_Wine_from_changing_the_filetype_associations_on_my_system_or_adding_unwanted_menu_entries.2Fdesktop_links.3F
15:30<lichen>this is mint, maybe my wine install is a mess at the moment, I'll try again on debian later.
15:30<lichen>great thanks, checking it now.
15:31<chris_se>it won't help for shortcuts already created
15:31<reru>is this the right place or hardware questions?
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15:32<chris_se>to get rid of those, go to $HOME/.local/share/applications and remove the wine-*.desktop files and edit mimeinfo.cache to remove entries that reference wine-*.desktop
15:32<chris_se>and then logout and login again to make sure xfce isn't caching stuff
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15:33<r6ku>reru: I suppose it is, if you're asking about hardware compatability with debian, what kind of a build are you planning?
15:33<lichen>chris_se: I get it now, there's so many because of the different file types for photoshop
15:34<reru>r6ku: you mean processor and peripherals?
15:36<joe-public>perhaps faster --> or alternately, what is it that you wanted to ask?
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15:36<chris_se>so Skylake works with Jessie out of the box, but if you want to use the integrated graphics you need to use kernel + xorg driver from backports (or use with the VESA driver)
15:37<chris_se>I don't have any experience with the H170 chipset (only with Q87)
15:37<Temporary>Bye. Have a high soul!
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15:38<reru>sorry, what's backports?
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15:38<r6ku>reru: http://backports.debian.org/
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15:40<chris_se>(ah, no, sorry, not q87, what was it called? q170)
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15:42<reru>oh, thanks! im not sure what you imply here though. do you mean that h170 will only be supported in the next release, or is what you described just a good precaution/assurance?
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15:43<chris_se>define "supported"
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15:43<reru>"will just work"
15:43<joe-public>excellent definition imo.
15:43<chris_se>I have experience with Q170: there everything except integrated graphics (when you don't have a separate GPU) "just works"
15:44<chris_se>if you want integrated graphics to work (beyond VESA), use kernel + xorg driver from backports
15:44<chris_se>H170: no experience. I would be very surprised if the system didn't boot, but then the question is whether all the peripherals are supported, and that I don't know
15:44<reru>joe-public: lol
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15:45<reru>thanks for the help. i hope i wont have too much issues when i get to it
15:45<chris_se>when in doubt: try a kernel from backports
15:46<chris_se>(apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64 after enabling the sources.list entries)
15:46<reru>can you clarify on that? you mean just download the "unstable" kernel version
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15:47<chris_se>no, backports are rebuilt of packages in testing (not unstable) for stable - so you can pick individual packages where you might need a newer version
15:47<montyboy>chris_se: Ha, funny you say that. T'was the answer to my IntelHD graphics pushing more than 1920x1200
15:47<chris_se>don't install _everything_ from backports, the idea is to pick the individual packages you need and keep the rest from stable
15:48<reru>oh i see
15:48<montyboy>reru: https://wiki.debian.org/Backports gives a very good overview of adding backports to jessie and 'hand picking' items you need.
15:48<reru>thats a lot of picking and choosing though, easy to get wrong
15:48<reru>ah! thanks!
15:48<chris_se>reru, that's why you default to "nothing from backports" unless you really need something
15:49<chris_se>so I would first try with the normal stable kernel, but with very new hardware I've often had the experience that a kernel from backports is probably better
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15:50<reru>question is, how do i tell if theintegrated graphics card is online or not?
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15:53<reru>well, you've given me some hope in this. hopefully all bodes well.
15:53<reru>goodbye
15:53<chris_se>reru, what do you mean "online"?
15:53<reru>uhmmm... usable?
15:53<chris_se>well, worst case is you get a picture with the VESA driver
15:53<reru>shouldve put quotations on it
15:53<chris_se>it's not like you won't see anything
15:54<chris_se>but VESA is problematic: maximum resolution, no RandR, no multiple monitors, no resolution changes, no acceleration
15:54<reru>but that would be a waste of resources, which id like to avoid
15:54<chris_se>but to check what's going on just look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
15:54<chris_se>that tells you what driver is used
15:54<mtn>reru, or install inxi. then run: inxi -Gx and you will see lots of video info
15:55<chris_se>btw. w.r.t. backports: aptitude search '~S~Ajessie-backports~i' tells you how many packages from backports you have installed, and for me hat's 20
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15:56<chris_se>mtn, cool, I didn't know inxi, *install*
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15:57<reru>heh, i hope ill remember all that. i'll write down what i can. i'll probably be a few more weeks untill i actually get the things
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15:58<reru>i'm new to all this stuff, if that wasnt noticable yet
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16:29<Guest5805>A very stupid question I know: I can't get farmville running on debian. It just doesn't load.
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16:30<Guest5805>My wife just started to use a computer at all - and if I don't get farmville running she wants a windows box.
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16:31<Guest5805>And I am not going to patch a windows box every other day for security issues
16:31<mtn>Guest5805, are you using wine or playonlinux? and they have their own channels, too
16:32<chris_se>isn't farmwill a web-thing that's part of facebook?
16:32<chris_se>*farmville
16:32<chris_se>(never played it, just asking)
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16:32<Guest5805>mtn: no it's a web thing that is part of facebook. You need flash and java and mor insecure stuff that gives you the creeps
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16:33<mtn>Guest5805, if it works in a browser, it should work in linux, too. looked for info using google?
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16:33<Guest5805>I have serached a lot. ATM I have it in a virtualbox with Windows XP
16:33<TobiX>The Flash version on Linux is quite old...
16:34<mtn>you might need a newer version of flash. you can use chromium with pepperflash
16:34<TobiX>(Except if you are using Google Chrome)
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16:34<Guest5805>Ok I will test pepperflash
16:34<TobiX>mtn: Or that...
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16:34<TobiX>Be aware that it's not free software
16:35<mtn>if you get freshplayer from backports, it will work with iceweasel, too
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16:45<CutMeOwnThroat>Guest5805, haha.. .this is the first farmville question I see in here
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16:48<Guest5805>CutMeOwnThroat: I feel so ashamed. But I didn't dare to ask this question for 9 days.
16:49<CutMeOwnThroat>haha... it's fine
16:49<Guest5805>Thanks to mtn! I got it running with pepperflash on chromium.
16:50<mtn>Guest5805, you are welcome
16:50<Guest5805>Usually I do not have any flash version or derivate installed
16:50<CutMeOwnThroat>except that the stupid thing wants access to your friends list and post in your name and all those goodnesses
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16:51<CutMeOwnThroat>Guest5805, seems to load fine on my laptop with jessie and chromium-browser
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16:53<CutMeOwnThroat>mmh. I hate those games, where the game tells you when you have to use time on a game
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17:08<rico>hi there. What is the best practice for packages requiring user inputs, is it to actually implement a menu or is it best to avoid menus and provide configuration instead ?
17:08<Guest5805>CutMeOwnThroat: I hate almost all games ... but my wife and daughter are 3000 miles away from each other and the use farmville to stay in contact. I can't believe it either
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17:09<Guest5805>mtn: what is freshplayer? pepperflash causes my hardware to crash with a heat problem
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17:10<mtn>Guest5805, freshplayer is a way to use pepperflash in firefox/iceweasel
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17:15<Guest5805>mtb: I can't find freshplayer
17:16<Guest5805>mtb: apt-get install doesn't know it - do I need an extra entry in sources?
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17:16<mtn>Guest5805, you need to use backports.
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17:18<mtn>Guest5805, https://wiki.debian.org/Backports
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17:31<TobiX>,v browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
17:31<judd>Package: browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.3.4-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.3.4-3; stretch/contrib: 0.3.4-3
17:31<TobiX>Guest5805: That's the full name
17:32<TobiX>You prabably need pepperflashplugin-nonfree (or google-chrome), too
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17:50<Guest5805>Thanks TobiX and judd
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17:52<NapoleonWils0n>hi all
17:53<NapoleonWils0n>managed to install debian in uefi with grub on an external drive
17:54<NapoleonWils0n>have to upgrade to testing and then sid
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18:41<kpcyrd>any ideas how I'd run an ncurses application in kiosk mode? console is a bit limited so I need to start an xserver with a terminal emulator, but I'm trying to avoid builtin features that would allows unwanted interaction with anything besides the ncurses application
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19:12<miku>Holii :3
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19:30<NapoleonWils0n>hi all
19:31<NapoleonWils0n>do people run stable and backports or testing
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19:31<mtn>NapoleonWils0n, people run all kinds of things
19:32<Brigo>NapoleonWils0n, people should run stable + backports, at least they know what they are doing.
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19:32<Brigo>(testing debian, for example)
19:33<NapoleonWils0n>any issues upgrading using backports as opposed to running testing or sid
19:34<NapoleonWils0n>was going to install ffmpeg was wondering if backports or testing was the best choice
19:35<Brigo>,v v ffmpeg
19:35<judd>No package named 'v' was found in amd64.
19:36<Brigo>,v ffmpeg
19:36<judd>Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-1; jessie-backports: 7:2.8.6-1~bpo8+1; sid: 7:2.8.6-1+b1; stretch: 7:2.8.6-1+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.8-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.0-dmo2
19:36<Brigo>it is the same verision, in testing and in jessie-backports.
19:36<NapoleonWils0n>right
19:37<Brigo>afaiu, *-multimedia are not official :)
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19:37<NapoleonWils0n>seems like less work to enable backports than to upgrade to testing
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19:38<Brigo>and less risky.
19:39<NapoleonWils0n>cheers Brigo
19:39<NapoleonWils0n>is there much of a delay with backports as opposed to testing and sid
19:40<NapoleonWils0n>suppose the devs have to build the packages
19:40<Brigo>NapoleonWils0n, i'm going to sleep, bye. :)
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19:40<NapoleonWils0n>night cheers for the help
19:40<Brigo>NapoleonWils0n, build a backport package is not so difficult. I think is most matter of testing.
19:40<Brigo>NapoleonWils0n, np, bye :)
19:40<NapoleonWils0n>ill rtfm
19:40<NapoleonWils0n>bye
19:41<NapoleonWils0n>,v kodi
19:41<judd>Package: kodi on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 15.2+dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 15.2+dfsg1-3; sid: 16.0+dfsg1-1; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; sid-multimedia: 5:16.0-dmo1
19:41<mtn>NapoleonWils0n, not all packages are backported and backports don't get as much testing as stable pacakges
19:42<NapoleonWils0n>right mtn was just checking the kodi version
19:42<mtn>NapoleonWils0n, testing can be a bumpy ride, too
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19:43<NapoleonWils0n>trade off, if i want bleeding edge do with sid otherwise stable i guess
19:43<NapoleonWils0n>with backports
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19:43<NapoleonWils0n>i run arch as my main system so stable might be a good choce
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19:45<NapoleonWils0n>manged to get urban terror working on debain, couldnt get it to run on arch or mac osx
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23:19<twb>Is there a way to make dpkg-deb -x honor --path-excludes in dpkg.cfg ?
23:19<twb>(Yes, I realize I'm already doing at least two things wrong.)
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23:29<twb>http://sprunge.us/GiYg?sh <-- how bad of a person am I?
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