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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-02-29

---Logopened Mon Feb 29 00:00:21 2016
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01:56<ramon>hi
01:56<ramon>hello
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07:36<FLD>i tried to 'checkinstall' lirc 0.9.3 on Debian Jessie and got this: https://paste.debian.net/410172/
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07:37<FLD>i used: ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc && make && sudo checkinstall
07:37<FLD>and "git clone git://lirc.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/lirc/lirc" if someone else wants to try
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07:40<xiqy>What is the *correct* way to restart GNOME when it becomes unresponsive? When I run 'service restart gdm3' _everything_ becomes unresponsive and I'm forced to REISUB.
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07:44<jm_>FLD: considered using debian packages and uupdate instead?
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07:46<FLD>jm_: segfaults on all my jessie machines
07:46<FLD>the debian lirc package
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07:49<jm_>FLD: yeah and if it's similar to #780062 using uupdate with updated upstream version might help
07:49<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/780062 in lirc (open): «lircrcd segfaults»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-03-08; last modified: 2015-11-05.
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07:51<FLD>"severity: normal"
07:51<FLD>psh.
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07:53<jm_>not sure if it's the same as what you see though
07:53<FLD>where is this 'upstream'?
07:54<jm_>uhm lirc home page
07:55<FLD>but i already tried it and it couldn't be installed with checkinstall
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07:56<jm_>it's a totally different approach, read the uupdate man page
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07:57<FLD>uupdate?
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07:58<FLD>oh from devscripts
07:59<FLD>never heard of it before
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08:00<FLD>jm_: i believe lirc has had massive changed between the version that jessie has and the upstream version
08:00<FLD>like the inclusion of python 3 altogether
08:00<FLD>does uupdate even stand a chance?
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08:01<jm_>FLD: in that case maybe not and that perhaps explains why it's not in debian yet
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08:04<FLD>but where are these test packages that were mentioned
08:06<FLD>everything is pushing me towards just breaking the system and doing 'sudo make install'
08:06<FLD>even though i know how damaging that can be
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08:07<FLD>isn't there any other way to protect the system?
08:08<jm_>backup?
08:08<jm_>or do a user install
08:09<FLD>how would i do a user install?
08:09<FLD>set prefix to a user owned directory?
08:09<FLD>then make install as user?
08:09<jm_>yeah ./configure --prefix=/tmp/blabla or /home/foo/bar if it supports it
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08:10<FLD>probably doesn't since the manual explicitly says to use sudo
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08:11<jm_>try ./configure --help and see
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08:11<jm_>would be surprising if it doesn't do prefix stuff to at least use /usr/local
08:11<FLD>You can specify an installation prefix other than `/usr/local' using `--prefix', for instance `--prefix=$HOME'.
08:12<FLD>but it looks like they just copy&pasted the whole thing
08:13<FLD>ill give it a try anyways
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08:16<FLD>usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file ‘/lib/systemd/system/lircd.socket’: Permission denied
08:16<FLD>/usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file ‘/lib/systemd/system/lircd.service’: Permission denied
08:16<FLD>/usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file ‘/lib/systemd/system/lircmd.service’: Permission denied
08:16<FLD>great.
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08:16<FLD>it just had to go and touch the system... of course.
08:17<FLD>or try
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08:17<FLD>do i jsut go ahead and run it with sudo?
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08:19<FLD>*facepalm*
08:20<FLD> what the hell am i gonna do with this *shrug*
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08:21<blast007>FLD: do you need the systemd services? you could just run the daemon binaries manually
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08:21<FLD>ok well im gonna try that
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08:22<FLD>blast007: they won't work without a proper installation
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08:23<blast007>what leads you to think that?
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08:24<FLD>Warning: cannot open /usr/ha/lirc/etc/lirc/lirc_options.conf
08:24<FLD>Driver `default' not found or not loadable (wrong or missing -U/--plugindir?).
08:24<FLD>it's trying to access the assets that are supposed to be put in place by a succesfull make install
08:25*enyc wondering if there is a channel where popularity-contest discussed
08:25<FLD>enyc: https://wiki.debian.org/IRC
08:28<FLD>well i can not find the debian test packages for lirc that Alec mentioned
08:29<enyc>FLD: hrrm don't see popcon in that list
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08:46<FLD>enyc: yeahhhh, plenty of aspects in debian that you simply can not discuss on irc with anyone
08:46<FLD>because it can boil down to knowing some shell script that someone wrote 10 years ago :P
08:48<enyc>FLD: =))))
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09:10<NapoleonWils0n>hi all
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09:10<NapoleonWils0n>running jessie at the moment and want to upgrade to side
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09:10<NapoleonWils0n>sid
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09:11<NapoleonWils0n>do i need to change the jessie to sid on the first 2 lines in /etc/apt/sources/list
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09:11<FLD>generally, if you have to ask, you are not ready for sid
09:11<NapoleonWils0n>thats not an answer
09:12<FLD>its a warning for things to come
09:12<NapoleonWils0n>used sid before but did it from the net install
09:12<NapoleonWils0n>do i need to change jessie/updates and jessie-updates to sid or just the first 2 lines
09:13<NapoleonWils0n>used to bleeding edge run arch as main machine
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09:18<l4mRh4X0r>NapoleonWils0n: Well, if you really want to, replacing all jessie with sid should suffice
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09:19<NapoleonWils0n>cheers mate
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09:19<NapoleonWils0n>just replace all instances of jessie with sic
09:19<NapoleonWils0n>sid
09:19<FLD>except, there is no sid-updates or sid/updates
09:19<NapoleonWils0n>ok FLD
09:20<NapoleonWils0n>think ill try in a vm first
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09:23<NapoleonWils0n>didnt find stable that stable kodi just crashes on launch first time ever had that issue
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09:25<blast007>"Stable" refers more to the state of the packages, meaning that they're not getting new versions aside from security updates (with a few exceptions).
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09:31<FLD>i've been meaning to create a Debian Jessie that has testing and sid running in lx containers
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09:31<FLD>with full desktop environments
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09:32<NapoleonWils0n>do i just need change the first 2 lines from jessie to sid and comment out security and updates
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09:34<jmcnaught>NapoleonWils0n: sid support is in #debian-next. also not that the kodi package available in stable is actually in backports, which doesn't get as much testing as stable. did you consider filing a bug?
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09:35<NapoleonWils0n>just came across bug 10 mins ago
09:35<NapoleonWils0n>maybe hardware accleration on intel graphics
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09:36<jmcnaught>NapoleonWils0n: don't forget to read the topic in #debian-next, there's often a note there if sid is currently uninstallale or something
09:37<NapoleonWils0n>cheers bit the bullet and changed fist to lines from jessie to sid and commented everything else out
09:37<NapoleonWils0n>did a sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
09:38<jmlongo>and it didn't explode???
09:38<jmlongo>:)
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09:38<NapoleonWils0n>installs on an external drive using uefi with grub installed on the external
09:38<jmlongo>nice!
09:38<NapoleonWils0n>so wont affect internal drive
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09:39<NapoleonWils0n>took a while to figure out how to install grub to the external
09:39<NapoleonWils0n>actually found the answer on the arch wiki
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09:40<NapoleonWils0n>actaully prefer gnome to unity which i find unusable
09:40<NapoleonWils0n>mind you i use i3 on main machine
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09:42<jmlongo>I've heard great things about i3 ... but never tested it
09:43<NapoleonWils0n>mate you are missing out big time
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09:43<NapoleonWils0n>once youve used a something like i3 normal floating windows just dont cut it
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09:43<NapoleonWils0n>also would reccomend using ranger with i3 and dmenu
09:44<jmlongo>is that so?
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09:44<NapoleonWils0n>http://ranger.nongnu.org/
09:44<jmlongo>I'll have to make the time to go and get the hang of it
09:44<NapoleonWils0n>ranger can show git status and text and image previews as well
09:44<NapoleonWils0n>can even generate thumbnals for video clips as well
09:45<jmlongo>just followed the link ....seems great
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09:46<jmlongo>thanks for the heads up NapoleonWils0n :)
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09:47<NapoleonWils0n>you want to use rxvt-unicode terminal for the image previews
09:47<NapoleonWils0n>only some terminal work with the image previews rendered by w3m browser
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09:51<raykinsella78>Hi folks
09:51<raykinsella78>The kernel included with Jessie seems to be pretty old 3.x, there is no upgrade to 4.x in the jessie-updates
09:51<raykinsella78>Am I doing something wronmg?
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09:52<blast007>raykinsella78: jessie-backports has 4.3 if you require something newer
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09:53<blast007>!jessie backports
09:53<dpkg>Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>.
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09:53<blast007>http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
09:54<raykinsella78>backports doesn't support my arch
09:54<blast007>what architecture are you using?
09:54<raykinsella78>Could have sworn there was a later kernel available through updates at some point
09:55<raykinsella78>x86 Pentium (586, not 686)
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09:56<jmcnaught>raykinsella78: the stable in debian stable means versions don't change, only security and bug fixes. So backports or compiling your own are the ways to get a new kernel on Jessie
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09:56<blast007>Maybe time to upgrade your hardware platform them. I don't know if Debian Stretch will even support anything less than 686. The current testing linux-image-586 package is just a dummy package that points at linux-image-686.
09:56<jmcnaught>but if it's a really old system, do you need a new kernel?
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09:58<raykinsella78>I do actually - system supports PCI Express and USB, so new devices need support.
09:59<jmcnaught>is there a device that isn't working?
10:00<raykinsella78>Yup - ethernet
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10:00<raykinsella78>Very strange ... latest LTSI will work on the platform.
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10:03<raykinsella78>You see the 686 image will have cmov (prolly MMX also), which is not support on 585
10:03<raykinsella78>therefore having linux-image-586 = linux-image-686 is not correct.
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10:07<jmcnaught>raykinsella78: maybe if you get the kind of ethernet card you have with "lspci -nn | grep -i network" someone here can help you get it working with the jessie kernel
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11:27<oct>can someone explain the difference between gpg and gpg2?
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11:28<chris_se>oct, gpg2 is the newer version
11:28<oct>chris_se: and why is the older version still arround? Compatibility I presume?
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11:29<chris_se>oct, gpg2 is a complete rewrite and people are conservative when it comes to crypto
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11:29<srbaker>heya folks.
11:29<srbaker>I'm having a wicked problem with the default behaviour of my touchpad, I'm hoping there's a known fix.
11:30<chris_se>oct, but from my personal experience starting with jessie, I've been using gpg2 exclusively and it has quite a few advantages over gpg
11:30<chris_se>(for example, it supports contacting keyservers via hkps instead of hkp as the transport, which means that there's no privacy leak towards the local network what keys you are downloading)
11:30<srbaker>When I scroll, and lift my fingers, it's often as though the "wheel" is "still spinning." So I'll scroll tot he bottom of a page, and then press Ctrl to start some keychord, and X will see that as Ctrl-Scroll and will zoom way in or way out.
11:31<chris_se>oct, and I haven't had any issues with it, so from my perspective you may as well use gpg2 exclusively - it's what I'm doing
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11:32<chris_se>(and I have a detached master private key + private subkeys on usb token setup, so it's not like I'm only using trivial features)
11:32<chris_se>srbaker, does this only occur on debian?
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11:33<srbaker>chris_se: I doubt it's specific to Debian, but it doesn't do this on OpenBSD (although there are other issues with OpenBSD)
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11:33<chris_se>srbaker, ok, so it's not a hardware issue that events are delayed or so. are you using wayland, X11 or something else?
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11:34<srbaker>X11. I'm sure it's actually the "expected" behaviour. I was mostly hoping someone here would know the fix, since it's a probem I've noticed other people have.
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11:36<chris_se>srbaker, you could try to figure out where this is coming from: look in your Xorg.0.log which input device (/dev/input/event**) is your touchpad
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11:37<chris_se>install the evtest package
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11:37<srbaker>Aha! It's called "coasting"
11:37<blast007>srbaker: there is mention of a 'CoastingSpeed' on the arch wiki, so maybe that is what is causing your issue. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics
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11:37<blast007>'synclient CoastingSpeed=0' might temporarily disable it
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11:39<srbaker>Okay, that solves the problem, but I kinda want coasting. I just want it to stop on keypress. Now I know what to look for though, thanks!
11:40<chris_se>srbaker, newer versions of Xorg support libinput as the input backend, which unifies all input device handling, so maybe that supports it out of the box?
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11:40<chris_se>although it doesn't appear to be the case that debian already packages that...
11:41<chris_se>oh, it does, my apt-cache is just broken
11:41<chris_se>xserver-xorg-input-libinput
11:41<srbaker>i think this sorts it for now. thanks!
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11:42<oct>chris_se: does using gpgv1 vs gpgv2 make any difference for the key generation?
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11:44<chris_se>oct, if you use the same parameters, no
11:44<chris_se>I'm not sure if the defaults are the same though
11:45<chris_se>but if you want to generate a key, I would definitely recommend 4096 bit RSA at the moment
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11:46<chris_se>and choose and expiration date
11:46<chris_se>not too far in the future
11:46<chris_se>because you can actually change that yourself without having people re-sign your key
11:47<chris_se>so you can choose 2 or 5 years or so, and when expiration nears, you can just change the date at that point
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11:47<chris_se>oct, oh btw. before you generate: make sure you follow the best practices for GPG configuration
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11:48<chris_se>see: http://ekaia.org/blog/2009/05/10/creating-new-gpgkey/
11:48<chris_se>(btw. you can also use SHA512 instead of SHA256 for personal-digest-preferences and cert-digest-algo)
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12:01<p1_>I am using icedove with enigmail, and when i sign a email, I dont getting "--begin pgp signed message" at the top. but I can see my signature is attached to the mails. How to get that header
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12:02<chris_se>p1_, for one, enigmail automatically decodes incoming emails, so even if it's there, you won't see the "begin signed message" part; also, there's PGP/MIME as an alternative way of encoding signed (and/or encrypted) emails, where this doesn't appear at all
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12:04<p1_>chris_se , I am talking about the outgoing messages to people who dont even use client
12:04<p1_>*desktop client
12:04<chris_se>yes, they probably use PGP/MIME
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12:04<chris_se>you can switch between PGP/MIME and inline PGP in enigmail (there's an option for that)
12:05<chris_se>see here: https://www.phildev.net/pgp/pgp_clear_vs_mime.html
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12:12<p1_>chris_se, Thanks , it worked..:D
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12:14<fmntf>hi! i've tried to change timezone via timedatectl+tzdata reconfigure, but `date` still uses the wrong timezone. any hint? http://pastebin.com/jDYsjz0Q
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12:15<machstem>Hey all. I have a question about LVM in a virtual environment. I previously built a small debian box with a 80gb hdd and recently we've had to increase the size to 200gb. I built the root under LVM under the idea I would eventually expand the size. I went into vmware, increased the size from 80gb to 200gb and I see the unpartitioned space. What should my next step be? How can I add the space to my volume group so I can extend the LVM partition siz
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12:15<chris_se>p1_, note that without a client to verify the signature, it's just security theater - I could easily write an email that starts with "--- BEGIN PPGP SIGNED MESSAGE" and just put some random stuff in there - and if the person receiving it doesn't have a client that verifies that, it "looks" official but isn't remotely secure
12:16<machstem>I have installed lvm2 utilities and also have gparted installed so validate I can see everything
12:16<chris_se>fmntf, is the TZ environment variable set in your shell?
12:16<chris_se>echo $TZ
12:16<chris_se>if so, that overrides the system settings
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12:17<fmntf>no, that's empty
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12:17<fmntf>also the clock in LXDE uses the wrong timezone
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12:17<chris_se>cat /etc/timezone
12:18<chris_se>machstem, you need to increase the physical volume, see pvresize
12:18<fmntf>Europe/Rome
12:18<fmntf>which is the timezone i would like to use
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12:19<chris_se>machstem, is your VG in a partition or does it span the whole disk? if it's a partition you need to increase the partition size (which is not totally trivial), and then do pvresize
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12:20<machstem>chris_se I will be honest when working with LVM I get a little confused, I can provide any output for you.
12:20<chris_se>machstem, what does pvs say?
12:21<chris_se>fmntf, hmm, that's weird. type "env" and see if there's anything in your environment
12:21<machstem> /dev/sda5 sshmaster-vg lvm2 a-- 79.76g 0
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12:21<fmntf>http://pastebin.com/uTr74hxk
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12:22<chris_se>fmntf, ok, this is weird. do you perchance still have a legacy /etc/zoneinfo lying around? (ls -l /etc/zoneinfo)
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12:22<NapoleonWils0n>hi all
12:22<chris_se>machstem, ok, do you have /dev/sda6?
12:22<fmntf>cat: /etc/zoneinfo: No such file or directory
12:22<NapoleonWils0n>trying to start mpd with user systemd but cant get it to work
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12:23<machstem>chris_se /dev/sda1, sda2, sda5
12:24<NapoleonWils0n>dont get a lot of hits in google for debian apart from pages listing packages
12:24<retrospectacus>fmntf: Rome timezone is "CET" not "JST"... did you try simply "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata"
12:24<chris_se>machstem, ok, that's good. please install the 'parted' utility if it's not already installed
12:25<chris_se>retrospectacus, he did, mentioned that in the beginning
12:25<machstem>chris_se done
12:25<machstem>i had gparted install as well
12:25<fmntf>retrospectacus: already tried, tzdata does not help
12:25<retrospectacus>fmntf: is tzdata package version up to date?
12:26<fmntf>I have tried it also without noninteractive fronted, it automatically suggests Europe then Rome
12:26<fmntf>ii tzdata 2015g-0ubuntu0.14.04
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12:28<blast007>fmntf: so you're running Ubuntu, not Debian?
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12:28<fmntf>well, yes, I did not think it made a difference
12:28<blast007>!ubuntu
12:28<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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12:28<chris_se>machstem, ok, now do the following:
12:29<christian_>irc://irc.undernet.org/bookz
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12:29<chris_se>parted /dev/sda resizepart 2 100%
12:29<chris_se>(this will increase the extended partition /dev/sda2 that contains /dev/sda5 to the full size of the disk)
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12:29<chris_se>afterwards:
12:29<chris_se>parted /dev/sda resizepart 5 100%
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12:29<chris_se>(this will increase the logical partition /dev/sda5 to the full size of the disk)
12:30<NapoleonWils0n>for f**ks sake why is it so difficult to get mpd working
12:30<NapoleonWils0n>might switch to ubuntu
12:30<NapoleonWils0n>no documentation for debian
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12:30<machstem>chris_se Information: You may need to update /etc/fstab.
12:30<machstem>reboot ?
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12:30<machstem>cause i dont see it when i do a df -h
12:30<chris_se>wait
12:31<chris_se>machstem, /etc/fstab: in your case you don't need to update because you didn't move partitions around and changed their order or so - parted is just being cautious
12:31<machstem>chris_se yeah i figured as much but i dont see the space having been added
12:32<chris_se>just a second, it's not done yet
12:32<chris_se>first you need to figure out if you need to reboot or not; try the following:
12:32<machstem>:)
12:32<chris_se>blockdev --getsz /dev/sda5
12:32<machstem>418928640
12:32<chris_se>multiply the result of that with 512 and see if that is roughly the size of your new disk in bytes (minus the size of /dev/sda of course)
12:33<machstem>214
12:33<chris_se>that'd be 199.76 GiB - does that seem right?
12:33<machstem>so yeah, 214gb
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12:33<machstem>ya
12:33<chris_se>good :)
12:33<chris_se>now you need to resize the LVM PV: pvresize /dev/sda5
12:33<machstem>ya
12:33<machstem>ok sec
12:33<NapoleonWils0n>anyone got mpd to work should take 2 mins to set up
12:34<machstem>chris_se Physical volume "/dev/sda5" changed
12:34<machstem>1 physical volume(s) resized / 0 physical volume(s) not resized
12:34<chris_se>machstem, now try "pvs" again
12:34<chris_se>last time: <machstem> /dev/sda5 sshmaster-vg lvm2 a-- 79.76g 0
12:34<machstem>chris_se /dev/sda5 sshmaster-vg lvm2 a-- 199.76g 120.00g
12:34<chris_se>the last column should now not be 0 but ~ 120g
12:34<machstem>:)
12:35<chris_se>ok, now your PV is big enough, now you can resize the individual LVs
12:35<machstem>ok
12:35<chris_se>"lvs" shows you what LVs you have
12:35<machstem>i will PM you and maybe you can run me down a little what we did ?
12:35<machstem>not to flood the channel
12:35<chris_se>ok, fine
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12:44<NapoleonWils0n>seriously you cant drag a file to the desktop with gnome
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12:46<blast007>I don't think Gnome3 has a "desktop" as far as icons showing on the main screen goes
12:46<NapoleonWils0n>done with debian
12:46<blast007>that's not a Debian thing, that's a Gnome 3 thing
12:46<NapoleonWils0n>cant even set up mpd
12:47<NapoleonWils0n>deal breaker
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12:47<blast007>'apt-get install mpd' and then edit the config? or is there some part of that that isn't working?
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12:47<retrospectacus>I think you should demand a refund
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12:48<NapoleonWils0n>doesnt show any files in ~/Music
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12:48<NapoleonWils0n>tried starting with user systemd file
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12:49<blast007>couldn't you just tell mpd to use /home/<youruser>/Music as it's music folder and then grant the mpd user/group read-only access to your music files?
12:50<blast007>I think you're just making things more complicated than they need to be and are getting frustrated in the process.
12:51<NapoleonWils0n>right so permissions issue havent ever had that with mpd
12:51<NapoleonWils0n>doesnt seem to load changes from config file
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12:59<PaulePanter>Err:2 http://mirror.unitedcolo.de/debian stretch/main Translation-en Writing more data than expected (5021834 > 5020565) [IP: 213.202.193.253 80]
13:00<PaulePanter>Fetched 215 kB in 0s (220 kB/s)
13:00<PaulePanter>Reading package lists...
13:00<PaulePanter>W: Failed to fetch http://mirror.unitedcolo.de/debian/dists/stretch/main/i18n/Translation-en Writing more data than expected (5021834 > 5020565) [IP: 213.202.193.253 80]
13:00<PaulePanter>E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
13:00<chris_se>PaulePanter, try again, maybe the mirror was just being updated
13:00<PaulePanter>Using httpredir what am I supposed to do now? It always takes the same mirror, so I can’t go on.
13:00<chris_se>is it just Translation-en that's the problem?
13:00<chris_se>or also other files?
13:01<PaulePanter>Currently it is.
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13:01<blast007>NapoleonWils0n: looks like by default you don't need to do any permission changes. I'm used to my own systems where I set a tighter umask.
13:01<chris_se>because translation files you can ignore, the rest should work
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13:01<NapoleonWils0n>tried add mpd to users group made no diff
13:01<PaulePanter>chris_se: `apt update` does not seem to ignore them.
13:02<blast007>NapoleonWils0n: and mpd works just fine. 'apt-get install mpd', edited /etc/mpd.conf, changed the library path to /home/user/Music, saved, 'sudo service mpd restart', and then used an mpd client to tell it to update the database.
13:02<chris_se>no I mean it doesn't matter if they're outdated, the rest should work
13:02<PaulePanter>So in automated scripts I should use `apt update || true`?
13:02<PaulePanter>chris_se: Understood.
13:02<chris_se>is this a persistent problem/
13:02<PaulePanter>Since five minutes.
13:02<blast007>NapoleonWils0n: though I imagine you could also just create a symlink to your Music directory in the normal mpd music_directory location.
13:03<chris_se>ok, wait 30 minutes and see if it persists - this is likely to be a temporary problem
13:03<PaulePanter>I am wondering how the httpredir is supposed to work in this case? Is there an irc channel or form where such things are reported and the mirror taken out?
13:03<NapoleonWils0n>music on nfs share mounted to ~/Music
13:03<blast007>NapoleonWils0n: there is an mpd log file as well. Have you looked at that? /var/log/mpd/mpd.log
13:03<chris_se>PaulePanter, nobody's going to take out a mirror for temporary issues - those can happen. just wait a couple of minutes and try again
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13:04<NapoleonWils0n>i created a user systemd service and ~/.mpd.conf but wont work at all
13:04<blast007>why do you need it to be a user service?
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13:05<NapoleonWils0n>thats what i normally do
13:05<chris_se>but if you're having problems: report things to mirrors AT debian.org (see bottom of <http://httpredir.debian.org/>)
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13:05<NapoleonWils0n>so i dont have edit main config file
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13:05<NapoleonWils0n>but even when i edit /etc/mpd.conf doesnt work
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13:05<chris_se>*if you're having permanent problems I mean
13:05<blast007>NapoleonWils0n: it works just fine for me as a normal service
13:05<PaulePanter>chris_se: Thank you for the help. I’ll just wait then.
13:05<blast007>NapoleonWils0n: read the log file
13:06<PaulePanter>chris_se: It seems to be solved now.
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13:07<chris_se>PaulePanter, so when a mirror is updated it could be that some files are not updated at exactly the same time but there's a slight delay, and then they don't match. this is normal.
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13:10<PaulePanter>chris_se: Understood. Thank you.
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16:33<gerumato>who
16:34<gerumato>hello, anybody here?
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16:35<markybob>!anybody
16:35<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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16:36<gerumato>Hello
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16:45<gerumato>karma
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16:47<gerumato>hello
16:49<gerumato>EXIT
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16:56<emac>I have an old emac g4 and Im looking for something to do with it, any ideas?
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16:58<emac>I just installed it MintPPC linux
16:58<k-man>Boat anchor?
16:59<emac>COuld be
16:59<emac>i dont have a boat either
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17:00<flux>hello
17:00<flux>?
17:01<emac>due to it has integrated speaker i was wondering if I could turn it into a karaoke machine
17:01<sney>emac: mint isn't supported in #debian
17:02<emac>im not looking for support on the OS, just hanging around and looking for some ideas
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17:03<sney>emac: then #debian-offtopic since this is a support channel
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17:04<emac>ok thanks
17:04<k-man>Maybe a duke box?
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17:08<emac>duke box cloud's storage?
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17:09<javi2181>hola
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17:33<william_>i am gonna make some damn panninis and listen to the grateful dead on Banshee
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18:00<dominik>hello. it is possible to get reproduceable segmentation fault on stable debian? isnt it tested enough to avoid such situation?
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18:02<sney>it's tested extensively. some things occasionally slip through, like packages that are rarely installed, or unusual software combinations
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18:02<sney>but the most common cause of reproducible segfaults on a debian stable system is hardware problems
18:03<chris_se>dominik, bugs do happen sometimes
18:04<chris_se>sney, not my experience. while I agree that segfaults are really rare on stable systems, most of those that I've seen were software-related - but if you look at the fact that debian contains 50000 binary packages now and there are tons of different combinations, it's clear that just because of sheer numbers something will slip through
18:04<chris_se>dominik, what segfaults?
18:05<petn-randall>I once got a segfault on a security update for asterisk. I think it was in squeeze. It was a faulty security update, it was fixed two days later.
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18:08<chris_se>petn-randall, yikes, that's unfortunate, especially asterisk
18:09<dominik>I have seen this segfault on my friend computer so I cannot reproduce it now. but that segfault occurs when I try to watch movie on youtube in iceweasel.
18:09<dominik>so maybe it was hardware problem
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18:10<chris_se>dominik, with or without third-party plugins (e.g. flash)?
18:10<chris_se>because it could easily be that a plugin crashed (and thus crashing the browser with it)
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18:10<dominik>no, it was fresh installed debian
18:12<chris_se>hmm, I'm using the latest iceweasel backport from http://mozilla.debian.net/ (to get the newest version even with stable) so I can't comment on the version that's shipped
18:12<chris_se>but if it is reproducible independent of hardware, file a bug report
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18:13<chris_se>also, even if the hardware is fine, it could still be a bug in the graphics drivers, those things are very complicated
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18:16<dominik>many person complains that debian software releases are too rare. how long usually took to update software on stable distro when similar bug occurs?
18:17<chris_se>that really depends
18:17<chris_se>so crashes are definitely bugs that fall into the category of being eligible for stable updates
18:17<amacater>Most bugs in Debian are sorted out quickly once they're discovered. The glibc vulnerabilities, for example, were fixed before some other Linux distributions got to them.
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18:18<chris_se>however, for non-security issues, it depends on whether the cause of the bug is found, how invasive the fix is and how active the maintainers of the given package are
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18:18<chris_se>for something like iceweasel I'm actually relatively confident
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18:19<petn-randall>chris_se: It was, especially in production. I could decide between a non-working SIP trunk (the SIP module caused the segfault), or running asterisk with a known vulnerability on the internet.
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18:20<chris_se>petn-randall, the silver lining in your example is that the reaction time was quite fast (a couple of days)
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18:21<petn-randall>chris_se: Annoyingly it was caused by a faulty patch that the maintainer tried to make. It happened a second time half a year later. It hasn't happened since. I think he got a lot more support + unit tests after that.
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18:22<chris_se>he probably also got a lot of rants via email after the second time, which can be very motivating in not letting that happen again ;-)
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18:24<dominik>so please correct me if im wrong. debian releases are very rare except security fixes which applies immidiately. this makes this system one of the safiest system, right?
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18:27<chris_se>dominik, in essence: yes. new debian releases that actually carry new versions happen roughly every 2 years (for a while now), the last one was Jessie (Debian 8), which was released nearly a year ago; there are also point releases (8.1, 8.2, ...) which only contain bug fixes to packages + sometimes additional hardware support, they happen every couple of months and don't introduce new features
18:27<markybob>dominik: two years on average. and yes that makes it very safe/stable
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18:27<chris_se>and there is a lot of care taken by the release team to make sure that fixes are actually checked extensively
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18:29<chris_se>security updates are handled separately and are done immediately
18:29<chris_se>and there are some people (myself included) that install the packages that are supposed to go into point releases early (you have to add stuff to your sources.list), so that problems with bugfix updates in point releases can be detected early
18:31<dominik>ok thank you for explanations. goodbye
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20:26<carl3933>Hello... looking to make N00by friends on here :p
20:27<JSON-Debian>Try the Fedora IRC
20:27<abrotman>carl3933: this is a Debian support channel
20:28<carl3933>AH gotcha so you just ask support type questions?
20:28<carl3933>I have a question regarding stretch (what i'm running as of now)
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20:30<carl3933>I'm guessing you can't install the fglrx driver (amd radeon driver) for Jessie in stretch can you? I believe the dependencies don't match up so it doesn't work...
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20:33<markybob>carl3933: no you can't. and stretch isn't support here per /topic
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20:33<carl3933>! ok thanks markybob :P
20:34<carl3933>I suppose there's a stretch channel out there somewhere. gonna go search merci beaucoup
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20:34<abrotman>apparently didn't want to read the topic
20:35<markybob>eh
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20:47<tessiy>it is possible to use empathy with proxychains?
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