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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-03-04

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03:36<jako>does somebody could send a riseup mail invite?
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04:23<jokus>Hi, got a debian squeeze vm that's not booting up, can anyone take a look and let me know what should I looking at ? - http://paste.debian.net/411691
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04:27<twb>jokus: is this stock squeeze kernel?
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04:29<jokus>its a xen vm, so should be
04:29<twb>"Linux version 4.4.0-x86_64-linode63"
04:29<twb>That's definitely not normal for squeeze :-)
04:29<twb>(took me a while to spot it)
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04:29<twb>Squeeze shipped 2.6.32 IIRC
04:29<jokus>oops.. sorry 4.4.0-x86_64-linode63
04:30<jokus>was looking
04:30<twb>I'm surprised it works at all
04:30<jokus>yes, its from linode, they boot with it, now its not booting up
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04:30<jokus>think its a old vm
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04:30<twb>4.4 is very new and squeeze is very old.
04:31<twb>I don't know what to do to debug this, I think you should talk to linode if it's their VM
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04:32<jokus>maybe I will reboot it with a older kernel, they should have it.
04:32<jokus>lemme try.
04:32<twb>4.4 is not even in testing yet, it's only in unstable
04:32<jokus>whats the latest squeeze is able to boot with ?
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04:32<twb>I don't know. Squeeze is oldoldstable
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04:33<twb>dpkg: tell jokus about squeeze
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04:34<jokus>ok, thanks, lemme read up
04:35<twb>I think you should be planning to migrate to a supported release
04:37<jokus>Yep, that too is on the cards, thank you twb
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04:42<ach>i am in squeeze actual os
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04:48<Feelsonic>Hi, anyone have already install debian jessie on a PowerMac G5 ?
04:48<twb> 159 R. Mar 4 Luca Filipozzi (6.8k) unscheduled service outage at ubc
04:48<twb>^ I think that's why manpages.debian.net and rmadison aren't working for me
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06:43<aborrero>is there any way to configure a workstation to query different DNS servers depending on the domain of the query?
06:44<grove>aborrero: Nothing that I've ever heard of. What's your use case?
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06:50<aborrero>grove: a workstation that is connected to 2 networks (one with public addressing one with private addressing). A given DNS server has a policy in which different responses are sent depending on the addressing of the origin of the query
06:50<aborrero>I would like to control when I send queries using the public addressing and when with the private addressing
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06:52<twb>aborrero: there is: you need to run your own DNS server
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06:52<twb>aborrero: the way it knows which DNS servers to talk to, is the "SOA" records stored further up in the DNS tree
06:52<twb>If you need to *override* these, some DNS servers (e.g. dnsmasq) will let you do so.
06:52<aborrero>mmmm... things are getting complicated
06:53<twb>It is generally a bad idea
06:53<twb>"different responses depending on the origin" is called "split-horizon DNS".
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06:53<twb>It's an OK solution, except you're spanning the horizon, which breaks the model
06:53<aborrero>I see
06:54<twb>All I can really suggest is: don't do that
06:54<twb>Maybe instead you can use a SOCKS5 proxy, like ssh -D
06:54<aborrero>in this case, I control the multihomed workstation but the DNS server is out of my control
06:55<twb>It sounds like you should discuss your issue with your network administrator
06:55<twb>Because she is likely to be very angry you are multihoming -- angry enough to try to properly solve whatever problem caused you to start multihoming
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06:55<aborrero>I am the network administrator :P
06:56<aborrero>multihoming is because the double addressing (public and private)
06:56<twb>I'm afraid it's past my bedtime and I don't have time to discuss this further today
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06:57<aborrero>ok, no problems :-) thanks
06:57<twb>if you're still stuck on Monday, look me up again :-)
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08:00<lichen>I need to connect to a server with ssh, can I make a file that executes the login automatically in the terminal?
08:00<lichen>I made the script executable, open with terminator
08:00<lichen>nothing displays
08:01<jm_>you'll need to use a tool like expect for that in general, but ssh can use key based authentication and if your key has no pass-phrase ...
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08:02<lichen>I still need to type the password, I just want the ssh user@host -p 2222
08:02<lichen>to open in a terminal
08:02<lichen>it acts like it executes but is just blank (nothing ever shows)
08:03<lichen>terminal doesn't open is what I mean
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08:04<jm_>most terminals use -e switch for that, so xterm ... -e ssh ...
08:06<lichen>so I guess it was because I was relying on open with
08:06<lichen>it was just ssh
08:07<lichen>when I did terminator ssh it worked
08:07<lichen>thanks!
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09:48<EmleyMoor>Where are aptitude's search patterns documented?
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09:54<musca>EmleyMoor: here
09:54<musca>!aptitude search
09:54<dpkg>methinks aptitude search is a powerful searching facility that by default only searches package names, but can be made to search priorities, installation status, dependencies etc. See /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04.html (aptitude-doc package), http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s04s05.html or ask me about <aptitude docs>.
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09:55<eltigre>ger
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09:58<EmleyMoor>musca: Thanks
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10:11<lord_rob>I had formatted my usb key to put Jessie DI on it. Now I cannot remove that, the key is still labeled Debian-Jessie-DI-amd64 but I'd like it to become a standard key. How should I wipe that completely ?
10:12<lord_rob>(mkfs doesn't work, partitionning doesn't either)
10:12<lord_rob>I suppose it's another efi crap ...
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10:17<teatime>it's easier if people provide actual error messages and details
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10:18<teatime>you should be able to partition and then mkfs
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10:20<SkySkimmer>For some reason when I try to install linux-perf there's a conflict with xchat. Can I do anything about it? Will it just go away at some point? (on testing)
10:22<lord_rob>problem is, I don't have any particular message ... I wipe every partition with cfdisk then make a vfat partition on the whole space and format it (mkfs.vfat) but when I insert the key it's still labeled Debian Installer and I see efi data on a partition
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10:24<zyley>lord_rob: it sound like you need erase mbr/gpt information as well not just partitions ...
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10:26<zyley>roughly speaking...unmount all usb partitions ..."dd" usb drive (more on later this one) and then fdisk drive (or another partion manager)
10:26<musca>lord_rob: hybrid-iso is a tricky structure
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10:29<zyley>dd bs=4096 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX (where sdX is your usb driver)(be careful of this command, wrongly used it may wipe out your hard disk) this will erase usb memory totally...you may want to use something quicker....
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10:31<zyley>dd count=256 bs=4096 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX (erases just start of usb memory) quicker
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10:33<zyley>*usb memory" instead of usb driver
10:34<lord_rob>I had understood don't worry ;)
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11:34<mais>hello, I used dconf Editor to change the default hotkey to delete files from Ctl+D to Delete button. Although it is working like expected, it does not work when I try to use it on a file located in a partition of another HDD.
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11:52<musca>mais: missing permission?
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11:59<machstem>does altering a file's permissions alter that file's md5sum ?
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12:01<itd>machstem: no
12:01<musca>machstem: no
12:01<machstem>I didn't think so...
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12:02<machstem>I made a copy from a directory into a new directory (using a nfs transfer) and decided to test my rsync script back on the original folder, and for some reason it is replacing the destination file....I checked the md5sum and they are different for some reason.
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12:03<machstem>the only thing I have done is tinker with ownership and file permissions (yesterday) in order to test a rsync script i need to run every week
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12:08<itd>machstem: how did you call rsync? (options)
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12:15<mais>musca: ofc! thats it, how didnt I realized it. thank you
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13:53<R4F_Debian>Hi all ! I often use 'sysctl -w vm.drop_caches=3' to clean memory and reducing cache in my Debian Jessie 8.3 (architecture used amd64). It always gives me a good result: memory used: 1380 MB and only 619 MB free before; after using this command: 405 MB used and 1594 MB free and so on.. Is there any problem on using this command frequently ?
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13:56<chris_se>R4F_Debian, it might make your system slower
13:56<chris_se>for a short period of time, until caches could be built up again
13:56<chris_se>otherwise, it's harmless
13:57<chris_se>but also quite useless: you don't actuall gain anything: the caches in the kernel don't hurt at all - if a program requires more RAM, the amount of memory available for caching is automatically reduced
13:57<R4F_Debian>Hi chris_se ! Thanks for answering the question ! So, you consider it not so useful....
13:57<chris_se>so if you have next to nothing running, you can easily have 70% of RAM used by caches, but as soon as you start something that actually uses the RAM, the number will go down automatically
13:58<chris_se>well, there's a reason for that feature: reproducible benchmarks
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13:58<chris_se>if you want to test I/O performance in any way, you want to do that
13:59<R4F_Debian>oh, I see, do you consider it important for tuning kernel parameters related to down latency ?
13:59<chris_se>what do you mean with "down latency"? latency of what/
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14:01<chris_se>so the linux scheduler has some issues with systems that have high memory pressure (basically it's problematic if the entire RAM is full of actual non-cache data) - but caches don't matter in that regard
14:01<chris_se>(not much, at least)
14:01<R4F_Debian>agile response time for heavy applications to run, not necessarily high performance in the beginning. Example: loading fast processes requried to load tables in a database, for example. In the case, I thought about PostgreSQL response time
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14:01<chris_se>well, in that case you definitely DON'T want to drop caches
14:02<chris_se>because you want to keep that in RAM if possible
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14:02<chris_se>and generally speaking you always want to have at least some RAM free, even under the highest load
14:02<R4F_Debian>so, it's better not using this command in a Database Server, for example. Ok, so !
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14:02<chris_se>it's better not using this command at all, unless you're benchmarking
14:02<R4F_Debian>I see, chris_se
14:03<chris_se>it will slow things down immediately after the commands until caches are built up again
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14:03<R4F_Debian>in a desktop, I used it before talking to you, I ran risk of damaging my Debian ?
14:03<chris_se>that said, there may be corner cases where this command could help in other situations, but that's going to be rare
14:03<chris_se>it's not going to cause damage
14:03<chris_se>it's just not very efficient
14:04<R4F_Debian>oh, I see, let's say, a bit obsolete...
14:04<sney>this seems like it might be a good time to link http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
14:04<chris_se>it just evicts all kernel caches, so if you need to access something, the cache will have to be built up again - which takes time, but is otherwise harmless
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14:05<R4F_Debian>ok chris_se.. Thanks for suggestion, sney ! I will check it afterwards !
14:05<chris_se>sney, cool, I didn't know that page *bookmark*
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14:07<R4F_Debian>chris_se, so by the desktop point of view, there is no need to use any other command to clean memory in my Debian ? If the RAM is reduced automatically as soon as I start using other application...
14:07<chris_se>there is no need for any command to clean RAM under Linux in general
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14:07<sney>R4F_Debian: the site I linked explains it clearly.
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14:08<R4F_Debian>I will check it now, sney, thanks for help !
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14:09<chris_se>the only time you need to 'clean RAM' is if you have too many programs running that can't really be supported on your machine, then you should close some of those programs to regain the RAM - but once the program ends, the kernel reuses that RAM automatically, so there's never anything you need to do manually when it comes to kernel memory management
14:09<sney>if you actually run out of memory, it is a much different experience, but this is VERY UNLIKELY TO HAPPEN unless you have an application using too much memory, or your system has a very small amount of overall memory, like <256M
14:09<R4F_Debian>ok chris_se, it is enough clarified, I will read more about it, according the link sney has passed me. Thanks for help and Great Explanantion !
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14:11<R4F_Debian>ok, no need of user intervention for that. Kernel does it for you automatically so....
14:12<R4F_Debian>now, let me check about what sney has said for me. Your explanation is completely understood. Thanks for help, chris_se ! And nice to see you here !
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14:14<R4F_Debian>well sney, in this case, it would be an unusual situation, for even basis hardware today won't have only 256 MB RAM... That's what you said ?
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14:17<R4F_Debian>reading the article you've passed me, sney. Concise and clear, by the way... Great !
14:17<blast007>R4F_Debian: people put linux on older computers (for instance, older machines that still work but would have trouble running Windows newer than XP or 2000)
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14:18<R4F_Debian>Hi blast007 ! In fact.
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14:19<R4F_Debian>Nice to see you again, blast007, sorry, I always get happy when talk to Debian Users. You all are Sacred for me !
14:19<blast007>:)
14:20<R4F_Debian>you too, blast007, be sure about that !
14:20<chele>,v libjpeg
14:20<judd>No package named 'libjpeg' was found in amd64.
14:20<chele>,v libjpeg8
14:20<judd>Package: libjpeg8 on amd64 -- squeeze: 8b-1; wheezy: 8d-1+deb7u1; sid: 8d1-2; stretch: 8d1-2
14:20<chele>anyone could tell why is not in jessie?
14:21<chris_se>because jessie has libjpeg-turbo
14:21<R4F_Debian>Well, I must go now, thanks for help, chris_se, sney (nice to see you again, chris !) and you blast007, other Great Debian Warrior ! As I always say: Debian Warriors are the Best ! Debian is the Best !
14:21<chris_se>,v libjpeg62-turbo
14:21<R4F_Debian>Bye all !
14:21<judd>Package: libjpeg62-turbo on amd64 -- jessie: 1:1.3.1-12; sid: 1:1.4.2-2; stretch: 1:1.4.2-2; experimental: 1:1.4.80-115-gfb907b2-1
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14:23<chele>different libs.
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14:24<chris_se>chele, libjpeg-turbo is a ABI-compatible implementation of libjpeg6, and also supports some features from libjpeg8
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14:24<chris_se>most linux distributions have chosen to go with libjpeg-turbo instead of libjpeg; see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/08/msg00000.html for Debian
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14:27<chele>i see, thanks.
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14:33<chris_se>chele, also note that for Jessie the release team wanted only one libjpeg implementation - so libjpeg8/9 is not in Jessie - but since there's no RC bug, libjpeg8/9 is currently in Stretch (in addition to libjpeg-turbo, which is the default implementation), but it's unclear to me at least whether that will stay that way
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14:35<chele>seemed it'd be dropped somewhen. and yes that's the strange thing cause is not in jessie but in newer systems
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14:36<chris_se>well, for unstable it's not that strange: the release team decides what goes into a stable release, but not unstable
14:36<chris_se>(that would be ftp-master's job)
14:36<chele>hm
14:37<chris_se>the fact that it's in stretch is because the package was removed from jessie during the last freeze by the release team, but they didn't specifically block it from reentering testing at that point except for the fact that testing was frozen - so after the release of jessie, the package migrated back to testing
14:37<chris_se>(which is now stretch)
14:37<chris_se>and nobody has cared about this so far
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14:39<chris_se>(and to be honest, I don't either - they're both leaf packages currently, so even if they are in the next stable release, nothing else will depend on them, so only those people that explicitly want those packages will get them, so while I personally don't like the direction that project has gone, "live and let live", it doesn't affect me)
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14:41<machstem>itd (sorry for the delay in replying) but I run -azP /path/to/folder/*.* and /mnt/server/path
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14:45<chele>explicitly don't need it either but was trying to run some binary which was compiled with it
14:45<chris_se>ah, ok, well, you can probably manually compile the package from stretch:
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14:47<chris_se>apt-get install devscripts build-essential debhelper autotools-dev dh-autoreconf automake1.11
14:47<chris_se>dget http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/libj/libjpeg8/libjpeg8_8d1-2.dsc
14:48<chris_se>cd libjpg8-8d1
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14:48<chris_se>dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc
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14:50<chris_se>(bonus points if you do dch --bpo before the buildpackage)
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14:53<itd>machstem: did you change the file permissions? (-a implies -p = preserve permissions)
14:54<machstem>i ran rsync -azP
14:55<machstem>I am checking things out and I may has misread it...but rsync is replacing/overwriting the files on destination. Is this normal on a first run ?
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14:56<chele>ahh i see what u meant.
14:57<itd>machstem: it seems so. (first comment on http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/79678 ) :)
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14:58<machstem>oh wait, i guess they ARE new
14:58<machstem>I forgot about timestamps
14:58<machstem>That makes sense
14:58<machstem>so maybe I need to use -u ?
14:59<machstem>-auzP
14:59<machstem>chris_se wanna chime in? :)
15:00<chris_se>about what?
15:00<machstem>in continuation to our discussion yesterday
15:00<machstem>I am at the rsync portion now
15:00<machstem>noticed the md5sum on both the source and destination were the same, but rsync was overwriting the files anyway from source to destination
15:01<chris_se>rsync by default just looks at timestamps
15:01<machstem>I only want it to update/add files if I add it to source
15:01<machstem>ok
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15:01<machstem>because these are static image files that are not
15:01<machstem>manipulated
15:01<machstem>so woulc -azuP be my solution ?
15:01<machstem>would*
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15:02<chris_se>if you use nfs, there is no solution if timestamps differ
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15:02<chris_se>because you either have to overwrite it if timestamp doesn't match, or you have to check that it matches so you have to read the destination
15:02<chris_se>since this is NFS, rsync would need to read the entire file over NFS
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15:02<chris_se>so you don't win either way
15:02<machstem>oh i see
15:03<machstem>hmm
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15:03<chris_se>btw. just a very stupid question: why don't you use rsync via SSH?
15:03<chris_se>(it didn't occur to me yesterday)
15:03<machstem>it's not a stupid question
15:03<machstem>so, from master or from servers ?
15:03<machstem>like
15:03<chris_se>then you wouldn't need NFS (which is btw. not encrpyted and not authenticated with sec=sys), and then you wouldn't have this trouble
15:03<chris_se>machstem, either way would work
15:04<machstem>ok, sounds good to me (i know it isnt encrypted, but we iptables the traffic between the hosts to limit access)
15:04<machstem>so
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15:04<chris_se>note that in the rsync documentation there's an example script called 'rrsync'
15:04<chris_se>/usr/share/doc/rsync/scripts/rrsync.gz
15:05<chris_se>you can use that to restrict access of rsync via SSH
15:05<machstem>oh neat
15:05<chris_se>for example, create an SSH key
15:05<chris_se>and on the computer where you want to make the connection to, put that key in authorized_keys but with a twist:
15:05<machstem>well, all my servers have master's key currently
15:05<machstem>to avoid having to type in password (obviously)
15:06<machstem>so how would you go about it using ssh/rsync
15:06<chris_se>well, if you have full SSH access anyway, then rsync is easy:
15:06<chris_se>on master: rsync -azP /path/on/master remote_host:/path/on/remote_host
15:07<machstem>OH!
15:07<machstem>I see
15:07<chris_se>add -u if you want that (which would actually work)
15:07<chris_se>note that rsync uses ssh internally, so ssh remote_host needs to work
15:07<chris_se>also possible:
15:07<chris_se>rsync -azP /path/on/master user@remote_host:/path/on/remote_host
15:07<machstem>didnt know I could leverage ssh on rsync like that
15:07<chris_se>also possible:
15:07<machstem>let me test right now
15:07<chris_se>rsync -e "ssh -i /path/to/id_rsa" -azP /path/on/master user@remote_host:/path/on/remote_host
15:07<machstem>-e ?
15:07<chris_se>(the quotes are important)
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15:07<chris_se>-e means "what to execute for remote access", defaults to ssh
15:08<Paul^^>hello
15:08<machstem>ssh -i is ignore cert ?
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15:08<chris_se>no, -i is identity file - you only need that if you store a ssh keypair somewhere else
15:08<machstem>oh i see
15:08<chris_se>(if you just keep it in the normal location, you don't need it, so you don't need -e)
15:08<machstem>but since it's already stored on the other servers, would i still need it ?
15:09<Paul^^>I'm using debian 7.9 , I tried to install proprietari nvidia drm, and now xorg don't go
15:09<machstem>ok, let me adjust my script. you da man
15:09<chris_se>machstem, well, if ssh remote_host just works, you don't need -e
15:09<machstem>yeah
15:09<machstem>i ge tit now
15:09<machstem>let me test
15:09<Paul^^>before I used nouveanu and the machine gone
15:10<chris_se>but you can do all sorts of neat tricks, like create a specialized key pair for this rsync and restrict the authorized_keys entry via the rrsync example script to only allow rsync to a specific location
15:10<chris_se>or things like that - it's up to you
15:10<machstem>ok
15:10<chris_se>(and rsync over ssh is actually where rsync is really useful, because then you can leverage partial updates to files without transferring stuff over the network - which is not possible with NFS)
15:10<machstem>yeah
15:11<machstem>and considering my source is about 90gb
15:11<machstem>and I have 30 sites
15:11<Paul^^>how may I restore the xorg configuration ?
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15:13<Paul^^>I removed the module "nvidia" with rmmod nvidia , now xorg go , how may I restore totally the previous configuration ?
15:13<Paul^^>please answer me or give same links , thx
15:14<machstem>chris_se that worked like a flipping charm
15:14<itd>Paul^^: how did you change the configuration? with a program or ba hand?
15:14<machstem>all that work yesterday taught me a lot, but this is amazeballs
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15:15<chris_se>sorry I didn't think about that yesterday ;)
15:15<machstem>whatever, you taught me a lot
15:15<machstem>that is just as important
15:15<Paul^^>itd: no I install drm and other with synaptic
15:15<chris_se>and now you don't even need nfs
15:15<machstem>ya!
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15:17<itd>Paul^^: if you do not want to use nvidia drm anymore you could just remove it.
15:17<Paul^^>itd : after I reboot to install the drm , but xorg give me error
15:18<itd>Paul^^: could you please post the error here: https://paste.debian.net/ ?
15:19<Paul^^>itd : ok a moment , I switch in X mode , I'm from tty2 with irssi
15:20<chris_se>machstem, just a comment: there's --numeric-ids for rsync which will use uid/gid instead of user/group - which from our discussion yesterday you _don't_ want, but just wanted to mention it
15:21<chris_se>and also theres --delete for rsync - use with care, but you probably want this here, because that will delete files in the destination directory that don't exist in the source directory
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15:24<Paul^^>itd : https://paste.debian.net/411856
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15:25<machstem>chris_se I am avoiding the delete option because I have two sites which have specialized images stored in a subdirectory
15:26<machstem>will it affect subdirectories on destination ?
15:26<chris_se>yes
15:26<itd>Paul^^: have you tried to remove the packages you installed?
15:27<chris_se>but you can use --exclude for that directory
15:27<machstem>hmm
15:27<chris_se>and then that will not be deleted (but not transferred either)
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15:27<machstem>thats fine since it does not exist anywhere but those 2 sites
15:27<chris_se>so let's say you have three dirs a, b, c in there, if you do --exclude=a, then a on the destination will be left untouched (please test first before trusting that though ;-))
15:28<machstem>lol
15:28<machstem>I always test everything
15:28<machstem>I am truly baffled by using rsync/ssh like that
15:28<Paul^^>itd : ...I don't remenber exactly the name of the packages , maybe if I remove the package with contain the nvidia.o module , synaptic remove all the others linked
15:29<machstem>Makes everything seem so much easier and secure
15:29<chris_se>yes :)
15:29<machstem>Do you know of a way to prevent ssh from asking to confirm cert key ?
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15:29<machstem>it only asks once
15:29<machstem>but still
15:29<itd>Paul^^: have a look at /var/log/apt/history.log
15:30<chris_se>well, you can preemptively add the keys to the known_hosts file
15:30<chris_se>if you know them
15:30<machstem>oh i see
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15:30<machstem>so its just as much work :)
15:30<chris_se>but for security you should _always_ make sure you have the correct key
15:30<itd>Paul^^: (or /var/log/apt/history.log.1.gz )
15:30<machstem>i just type yes
15:30<chris_se>(otherwise ssh security is broken)
15:30<chris_se>that's not ideal
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15:31<chris_se>it's better than nothing, because then the window of attack has to be during the exact time when you're connecting for the first time (TOFU, trust on first use), but ideally you'd have some separate, secure channel to get the fingerprint of the remote key and verify it
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15:32<machstem>Yeah, like I said before, this master box is limited to only 3 machines for its own ssh access and I disabled user auth and only use keys to access it. it is a virtual machine and we bound the ESXi host to active directory so only 3 of us have access to it
15:33<machstem>and we limit its actual access by iptable rules
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15:33<machstem>because this little beast has basic unconditional access to every other server
15:35<Paul^^>itd : http:/paste.debian.net/411868
15:39<Paul^^>hello
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15:40<itd>Paul^^: I guess you installed nvidia-opencl-dev and nvidia-cuda-dev
15:41<itd>Paul^^: so "apt-get purge nvidia-opencl-dev nvidia-cuda-dev; apt-get autoremove" should help you to remove the nvidia packages.
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15:45<machstem>chris_se are --delete and --exclude typically used at the end of the command ?
15:46<chris_se>I put them after the normal options but before the source and destination arguments
15:46<machstem>rsync -azP /path/to/source ip_address:/path/to/destination --delete --exclude ip_address:/path/to/destination/old_images
15:46<chris_se>but that's just personal preference, I think you can put them anywhere you like (don't quote me on that though if it turns out to be untrue ;-))
15:46<machstem>do i need the last part as ssh ?
15:46<machstem>or would old_images work ?
15:46<chris_se>no, use --exclude=old_images
15:46<machstem>oh ok
15:47<chris_se>or better: --exclude=/old_images
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15:47<chris_se>(/ is the directory you are transferring, rsync is a bit weird here)
15:47<machstem>is it relative to the destination ?
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15:47<machstem>ok
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15:47<machstem>so / is relative to /path/to/destination
15:47<chris_se>but please try that on a very simple test data set before trusting that ;)
15:47<machstem>yes
15:47<chris_se>machstem, yes, as far as I remember
15:47<machstem>I will
15:48<machstem>I have a test box I use, and tbh, I have this same directory in so many locations I don't worry about its data loss
15:49<chris_se>So with rsync I'm always pretty sure I know what I'm doing, but I'm also always paranoid that I might make a mistake. Usually I do in fact know what I'm doing, but sometimes I do actually catch mistakes during testing.
15:49<Paul^^>itd : ok I ran that command
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15:50<machstem>i noticed when i first ran the command, it created a path as a subdirectory on the destination directory and then created each file in that subdir. I had to specify *.*
15:50<Paul^^>itd : May I re-boot now ?
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15:50<machstem>What did I do wrong (this is nfs mounted)
15:50<itd>Paul^^: well then, try a restart and see, if that fixed it for you. :)
15:50<itd>Paul^^: yes
15:50<chris_se>machstem, this is rsync-weirdness
15:50<chris_se>first of all: *.* is DOS/Windows, don't use that on Linux unless you know what you're doing
15:50<chris_se>because *.* won't match something without a dot in there
15:50<Paul^^>ok, we'll see later : thx itd you are a really helper :)
15:51<chris_se>(/root/*.* won't match /root/foo, but it will match /root/foo.bar)
15:51<chris_se>secondly: rsync treats trailing slashes specially
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15:51<machstem>chris_se yeah I know, I only wanted the files in there to be transfered
15:51<machstem>oh
15:51<chris_se>so what you want to do is append a trailing slash to both the source and destination
15:51<machstem>gotcha
15:51<chris_se>rsync [args] /source/ server:/dest/
15:51<machstem>that might have been where I messed up
15:52<machstem>ok cool
15:52<chris_se>rsync is a bit weird in that regard
15:52<chris_se>(other tools _don't_ react that way, just to warn you)
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15:52<machstem>almost end of day [EOD] so gonna start fresh on monday
15:52<chris_se>but rsync is more expressive, because you can do both, depending on the trailing slash
15:54<chris_se>have a nice weekend then
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15:56<Paul^^>n
15:57<Paul^^>how may I found the package of a file ?
15:57<Paul^^>hello all
15:57<chris_se>dpkg -S file
15:57<dpkg>Badgers ate my file!
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15:58<itd>Paul^^: wb. so your xorg problem still exists?
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16:00<Paul^^>itd : yes , I removed the nvidia.ko module with rmmod and startx & go
16:01<Paul^^>find / -name nvidia.ko
16:01<Paul^^>/var/lib/dkms/nvidia/304.125/3.2.0-4-amd64/x86_64/module/nvidia.ko
16:01<Paul^^>/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko
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16:02<Paul^^>dpkg -S nvidia.ko ; this don't found nothing
16:02<dpkg>There is no record of a nvidia.ko ; this don't found nothing package
16:02<towo`>this will never find anything
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16:02<itd>Paul^^: use the results from find.
16:02<towo`>nvidia.ko is not part of a packages, it's created fom dkms
16:02<chris_se>Paul^^, nvidia.ko is generated by the DKMS package for the nvidia driver
16:03<chris_se>it's not part of the package itself
16:03<chris_se>nvidia-kernel-dkms is the package (if you used the normal one)
16:03<towo`>Paul^^, but what is you problem?
16:03<Paul^^>so how am I not load nvidia.ko when I start xorg ?
16:04<itd>chris_se: he is using 7.9 (unsure if relevant)
16:04<Paul^^>towo`: if I don't remove nvidia.ko with rmmod the xorg server don't start
16:04<chris_se>itd, oh. well, the principle is the same, but the package name may be different
16:04<chris_se>Paul^^, first of all, you can blacklist nvidia.ko
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16:05<chris_se>or you could remove the package that created the file
16:05<towo`>Paul^^, if x not starts, it writes a logfile
16:05<chris_se>Paul^^, apt-get purge nvidia-kernel-dkms
16:05<chris_se>that _should_ be the package
16:05<towo`>then he should remove all nvidia packages
16:05<towo`>but i have not seen the real problem
16:07<Paul^^>ok a moment
16:08<Paul^^>nvidia.ko: - Uninstallationnvidia.ko: - Uninstallation
16:08<Paul^^>DKMS: uninstall completed
16:09<itd>reading https://paste.debian.net/411868 I thought removing nvidia-opencl-dev and nvidia-cuda-dev (and then a autoremove) would be enough, is that wrong? (just curious)
16:09<Paul^^>apt-get autoremove ; I ran this too
16:10<Paul^^>itd :I'm not so expert sorry :(
16:10<itd>Paul^^: don't worry. :)
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16:12<Paul^^>I try to reboot , nvidia f??k :(
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16:15<Paul^^>all right now , thx all !
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16:16<itd>Paul^^: glad to hear that. :)
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16:17<Paul^^>itd : thx. This channel is full of really old-style hackers , in the GPL philosophy
16:18<Paul^^>I have another laptop with ati-amd video card , there install the drm is more easy. With nvidia is a delirium
16:19<towo`>is nozt
16:19<towo`>apt install nvidia-driver, minimal x-config, done
16:20<Paul^^>towo`: without xorg active I mean
16:20<towo`>what?
16:20<Paul^^>towo`: without xorg active I suppose
16:20<towo`>i don't see the problem
16:21<towo`>apt does not need an active x
16:21<Paul^^>apt install nvidia-driver ; without xorg active , from tty[1-6] I suppose
16:22<Paul^^>but I'll not try again sorry :(
16:22<machstem> These robots from Boston Dynamics are getting a little too real for me... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkv-_LqTeQA
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16:24<Paul^^>machstem: this video required flash... leave it
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16:24<machstem>?? youtube just works for me
16:24<chris_se>Paul^^, it doesn't if you use a sufficiently new version of iceweasel or chromium
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16:25<chris_se>(but since you're still on Wheezy, you probably don't have that installed)
16:25<machstem>Maybe he needs a little robot help
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16:26<Paul^^>chris_se: the plug-in is heavy bugged . as many now
16:26<chris_se>you don't need flash for youtube if you have newer versions of iceweasel or chromium
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16:26<chris_se>that's what was I meant
16:27<machstem>^^ this
16:27<chris_se>if you want more up to date versions of Iceweasel, you can use: http://mozilla.debian.net/ - note however that this will result in regular updates to newer versions as they are released
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16:28<Paul^^>chris_se: it's not the browser, it's the adobe-flash plug-in to be bugged
16:28<chris_se>sure, but newer versions don't require flash
16:28<chris_se>(for youtube)
16:28<chris_se>I watched that video without flash
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16:28<machstem>yeah, it comes in on html5 now doesnt it ?
16:29<Paul^^>H264 I know , but this video don't start in H264
16:29<chris_se>machstem, yes
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16:29<chris_se>Paul^^, for me it did start via HTML5, what codec was used I have no idea
16:29<machstem>have they gotten netflix to work on linux yet ?
16:29<chris_se>(could have been WebM)
16:29<chris_se>machstem, it works in chrome (not chromium though, it requires a DRM module)
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16:30<Paul^^>chris_se: yes html5 with h264 as codec
16:30<chris_se>Paul^^, youtube also has webm for some videos as codec
16:31<machstem>chris_se good to know
16:31<machstem>will it pass through 5.1 audio ?
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16:32<Paul^^>chris_se: yes , it use h265 as code , infacy the video in webm format as very little
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16:33<Paul^^>flash had many zero-day exploit used to install backdoor in the pc, expecilly running win or os-x , but android ,win-phone too
16:33<chris_se>machstem, you mean netflix in chrome under linux? no idea, I'm not an audiophile, I'm perfectly happy with nearly 2 decades old stereo speakers here
16:34<chris_se>Paul^^, we all here know that flash is bad
16:34<Paul^^>this is the danger of the close source
16:35<chris_se>(and with speakers I don't mean professional speakers, I mean standard speakers you get at an electronics store)
16:35<Paul^^>nobody know what it do
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17:33<jxcl>I'm confused: I have a Linode running Debian 8.1 with its sources set to jesse main, and uname -a shows linux 4.4
17:34<jxcl>but the debian packages page shows that jesse main should have linux 3.16
17:34<jxcl>anybody know what's up?
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17:37<towo`>jxcl, maybe it's from backports?
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17:37<towo`>jxcl, it's your system
17:37<chris_se>towo`, backports doesn't have 4.4 yet, it only has 4.3
17:38<towo`>then it is another riffle
17:38<towo`>grr
17:38<towo`>riddle
17:38<jxcl>so here's the other weird thing: dpkg-query -l "linux-image*" doesn't return anything
17:39<jxcl>on my local machine running testing it shows a bunch of linux images
17:39<Marillion>jxcl: you have a VM Box
17:39<towo`>uname -m
17:39<chris_se>judd, depends linux-image-amd64 --release jessie-backports
17:39<judd>Package linux-image-amd64 in jessie-backports/amd64 -- depends: linux-image-4.3.0-0.bpo.1-amd64.
17:39<towo`>seems like a embeded system
17:39<jxcl>Marillion: yes
17:39<chris_se>judd, version linux-image-4.3.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 --release jessie-backports
17:39<judd>Package: linux-image-4.3.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 4.3.3-7~bpo8+1
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17:40<Marillion>jxcl: it certains a different/virtual Kernel
17:40<jxcl>oh yeah, that makes total sense.
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17:42<jxcl>If I want to run a jesse server with a Btrfs filesystem it's probably a good idea to run jesse-backports, huh?
17:43<chris_se>depends on what kind of features you need
17:43<chris_se>if you don't use any advanced features of btrfs, the stable kernel should be fine
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17:43<jxcl>I've always read that if you're using Btrfs you should try to run as recent a kernel as you can for bugfixes
17:43<jxcl>I'm just planning to use it's raid1 feature basically
17:44<chris_se>ok, for RAID you definitely want to use a newer kernel
17:44<chris_se>because RAID has traditionally been a bit flaky, and only recently at least RAID1 has reportedly (no first-hand experience with that myself) gotten better
17:44<chris_se>(I'm not sure whether RAID5/6 are considered stable yet btw.)
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17:46<jxcl>I haven't read anything that says RAID5/6 are ready yet
17:47<jxcl>but I have read that RAID1 is pretty good now, and I'm just storing my media collection; it's not a disaster if something gets corrupted
17:47<chris_se>yes, I've also read that RAID1 should be fine now
17:47<chris_se>but there you'd definitely want a newer kernel
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17:51<Marillion>chris_se: i think 4.4.x is new enough, but i don't believe he can changing it, if it is a secure webhoster
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17:57<jxcl>Marillion: I'm not going to be running btrfs on my VM
17:57<jxcl>(if you're talking about me)
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17:58<Marillion>jxcl: yes, indeed
17:59<jxcl>I have a home theater PC currently with 2TB of storage on ext4, but this weekend I'm upgrading it to 2x 4TB drives on btrfs raid1
17:59<jxcl>that's completely separate from my confusion with my VM though
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18:01<jxcl>thanks for your help everyone! bye!
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21:42<Paul^^>hello
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21:43<Paul^^>I re-install win7 on a hard disk with jessie 8.2 , how may I restore grub ?
21:44<Nemoder>!fixmbr
21:44<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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21:52<trump>Hey all.
21:52<sleblanc>How can I have systemd --user instances write to the journal? journalctl --user says "No journal files were found."
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22:08<dutchfish>nn all
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22:40<cjac>furrfu. now I see why my environment from /etc/default/docker didn't seem like it was getting applied. because it wasn't. systemd hijacks /etc/init.d/<service> start/stop/restart/etc and ignores values from /etc/default/<service> - what a PITA.
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22:41<cjac>I'd like to have my /etc/default/<service> functionality back... I wonder if there's a reasonable way to pick those args up from systemctl...
22:41<somiaj>cjac: takes time to get use to the new tools. Though I find unit files far easier to deal with than shell scripts and hacks like /etc/default to centralize info for them.
22:41<somiaj>cjac: for what service, this may depend on if the service has a unit file or is using the init.d LSB script
22:42<somiaj>i.e. systemd is compadable with LSB init scripts but will use its .service unit file if it is present.
22:42<somiaj>and it could be you can just modify the .service file to take the info you want from /etc/default/
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22:52<cjac>looks like we should use EnvironmentFile=/etc/default/<service> in /lib/systemd/system/<service>.service
22:53<cjac>somiaj: docker in this case
22:56<somiaj>cjac: that sounds about right, and really you should copy the service file to /etc/systemd/system/ if you want to make your own custom version and leave the packge one alone.
22:56<somiaj>cjac: you may also want to file a minor bug if you think that should be included in the actual packages service file
22:56<cjac>that seems to do it. thanks.
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22:56<cjac>I do. Thank you.
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23:02<sergio>hola ,alguien en linea que pueda ayudar
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23:07<Guest6693>alguien puede ayudar, necesito cambiar los permisos de directorio html en servidor apache en debian
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23:14<cjac>¿Sabe usted acerca de # debian-es?
23:14<somiaj>!es
23:14<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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23:18<Guest6693>Muchas gracias por responder
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