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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-03-06

---Logopened Sun Mar 06 00:00:24 2016
---Daychanged Sun Mar 06 2016
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00:30<bluzeo>Corey84 hey!
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00:48<P4C0>Hello, which is the most easy to use, clean desktop enviroment? gnome?
00:53<Cheeki>I prefer lxde
00:53<Cheeki>It's the most simple and lightest
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00:53<Cheeki>just try some and see what you like
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00:56<P4C0>Cheeki: thanks, I will
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01:40<Guest6806>anybosy home
01:40<Guest6806>sorry ! anybody home
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01:43<Guest6806>hellow
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04:28<HAMXOPOIIIO>Приветсвую
04:29<HAMXOPOIIIO>Прокопал гугл.. есть вопрос насчет php-fpm bitrix и recursion_limit
04:30<HAMXOPOIIIO>Hello
04:30<HAMXOPOIIIO>Can you help?
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04:31<chris_se>what do you need help with?
04:32<HAMXOPOIIIO>I can not configure php-MTF. Namely expose recursion limit to unlim
04:32<HAMXOPOIIIO>*php-fpm
04:33<chris_se>/etc/php5/fpm/php.ini
04:33<chris_se>that's the configuration file for php-fpm
04:33<chris_se>but do you mean pcre.recursion_limit for regular expressions?
04:34<chris_se>because php itself does not have a recursion limit other than the memory limit configured
04:34<HAMXOPOIIIO>Yes
04:34<chris_se>ah ok, well, change that setting and restart php-fpm
04:34<chris_se>service php5-fpm restart
04:34<HAMXOPOIIIO>At the moment, the variable has a value of 100,000.
04:34<chris_se>(after changing the setting)
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04:35<chris_se>yes, that's the default
04:36<chris_se>so unlimited doesn't exist, because it's an integer, but you can set it to some really large value
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04:36<chris_se>like 2 billion (2000000000)
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04:37<HAMXOPOIIIO>Yes, bitrix (CMS) swears on it. Requests to start Apache with the parameter ulimit -s unlimited. And I have a bunch of nginh + php-fpm.
04:37<HAMXOPOIIIO>*nginx
04:37<chris_se>oh, ulimit is something elsee
04:37<chris_se>that doesn't have to do with PCRE recursion limit
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04:37<chris_se>ulimit is an operating system setting
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04:38<sagpatke>Hi. I'm trying to change the position of close button in gnome-shell to the left. I changed the value of the key "org.gnome.shell.extensions.classic-overrides.button-layout" in dconf-editor to "close:appmenu", but the change is not taking effect. Am I doing something wrong?
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04:39<chris_se>HAMXOPOIIIO, so the easiest thing would be to hack the init script and add the setting there
04:40<chris_se>oh wait
04:40<HAMXOPOIIIO>I added in /etc/security/limits.conf
04:40<HAMXOPOIIIO>* - Stack -1
04:40<HAMXOPOIIIO>@ * - Stack -1
04:40<chris_se>what Debian version do you use?
04:40<chris_se>and what init system?
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04:41<chris_se>HAMXOPOIIIO, /etc/security/limits.conf is only for logins, not for system services
04:41<HAMXOPOIIIO>Deb 8.3
04:41<chris_se>systemd?
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04:42<chris_se>(try "systemctl status php5-fpm" if that prints something useful, you're using systemd)
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04:42<HAMXOPOIIIO>https://yadi.sk/i/buN_BTMJpwfXn
04:42<HAMXOPOIIIO>screen
04:43<chris_se>yes, you're running systemd
04:43<chris_se>good, that makes it a bit easier
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04:43<chris_se>create a file /etc/systemd/system/php5-fpm.service.d/stack.conf
04:43<chris_se>with the following contents:
04:43<chris_se>[Service]
04:43<chris_se>LimitSTACK=infinity
04:43<chris_se>and then restart php5-fpm: systemctl restart php5-fpm
04:44<gigi>ciaoo
04:44<gigi>!list
04:44<dpkg>gigi: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più.
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04:44<chris_se>(create the directory /etc/systemd/system/php5-fpm.service.d because that likely won't exist on your system)
04:44<HAMXOPOIIIO>There is no catalog fpm.service.v php5-create it?
04:44<HAMXOPOIIIO>ok
04:45<chris_se>not .v, .d
04:45<chris_se>(that's important)
04:46<chris_se>note that not imposing a stack limit could lead to resource exhaustion if you have a program that's stuck in infinite recursion (just as a warning)
04:46<HAMXOPOIIIO>https://yadi.sk/i/NJlkvUxipwfiN
04:46<chris_se>yes, that looks good
04:46<chris_se>oh wait
04:46<chris_se>you have to do: systemctl daemon-reload
04:46<chris_se>before restarting php5-fpm
04:47<HAMXOPOIIIO>THANX!!!!!
04:47<chris_se>did it work?
04:47<HAMXOPOIIIO>Everything worked!)
04:47<chris_se>glad to help :)
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04:49<sagpatke>Hi! Can someone help me in moving the windows control buttons in gnome-shell to the left? I've tried dconf-editor, but the changes don't seem to take effect.
04:49<chris_se>sagpatke, did you logout and login again?
04:50<sagpatke>chris_se: yes, I have tried that.
04:50<chris_se>:(
04:50<chris_se>ok, so I'm not a GNOME user, but I've heard there's a tool called gnome-tweak for changing some settings that are normally not accessible - maybe that can change that?
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04:51<sagpatke>chris_se: Yes, I've browsed through gnome-tweak-tool, and haven't found a relevant option there.
04:51<chris_se>then sorry, I got nothing
04:52<chris_se>there is a #debian-gnome channel, I'm not sure if that's for user support or development though, but you could try there
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04:53<chris_se>also, you could try again on a weekday afternoon instead of sunday morning, because my guess is a lot of people are now doing something else
04:53<somiaj>a gnome support channel may help to. My guess is it is not possible (espically with gnome going in the direction of Client side decors
04:53<chris_se>yes, that's also true
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04:54<chris_se>I just found this: https://wiki.gnome.org/Community/GettingInTouch/IRC
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04:54<chris_se>your question doesn't seem debian-specific, so somiaj's idea to ask the gnome community directly seems to be your best option
04:56<chris_se>somiaj, speaking of CSDs, you don't happen to be a DD who can sponsor things? ;-) https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=811447
04:56<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/811447 in sponsorship-requests (open): «RFS: gtk3-nocsd/2-1 [ITP] -- Disable Gtk+ 3 client side decorations (CSD)»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-01-19; last modified: 2016-02-25.
04:56<somiaj>chris_se: nope, #debian-mentors is a place to start looking for a sponsor.
04:57<somiaj>chris_se: what wm do you use, I finally found a way in fvwm to tell fvwm to decorate them anyways.
04:57<chris_se>somiaj, ok, will ask there again
04:57<chris_se>somiaj, I'm using KDE4 currently - but the issue is not only forcing the WM to decorate the windows, but to also disable the shadow they draw, remove the window buttons, etc.
04:57<somiaj>but I personally got rid of all applications that use CSD. I'd like to get rid of anything that depends on gconf and libgnome next.
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04:58<somiaj>chris_se: yea I never had much luck with gtk3-nocsd, wish they would just put an envvarible check in teh UPSTREAM.
04:58<chris_se>somiaj, when did you try? I kind of took over upstream development of that a 3 or 4 or so months ago
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04:59<somiaj>chris_se: this was years ago when I still used evince and CSD just came out
04:59<somiaj>once I realized my browsers had built in pdf readers I got rid of all my gtk3 apps
04:59<chris_se>(ok, take over is a bit much, but the author gave me commit access and I fixed a _lot_ of things, mostly crashes)
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05:00<chris_se>somiaj, I have had really bad experiences with the browser's built-in pdf readers, I currently use okular for the most part - it's not perfect, but decent enough
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05:39<floki>Hello! Where i can find channel of game Open Arena?
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06:39<jordyblind>Hello, I tried to instal the Dutch Debian OS with the mini iso. When I entered a mirror, the installation can't continue!
06:39<jordyblind>I want to install debian os on a VMWare Virtual Machine!
06:40<chris_se>what is the error message?
06:40<jordyblind>Can't find the kernel modules!
06:41<chris_se>could you be a bit more specific?
06:41<chris_se>what kernel modules?
06:41<jordyblind>Or anything other, but that means the same! I can go further, but than it can't download other modules!
06:41<jordyblind>He don't say that!
06:42<jordyblind>He said only: Can't download existing kernel files!
06:42<chris_se>what iso exactly did you use?
06:42<jordyblind>the iso from http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/tmp/mini.iso
06:42<towo`>i would oracle, there is no networking at all
06:43<chris_se>jordyblind, that's an unofficial iso by a debian developer - why don't you use the official installation image?
06:43<agaida>and i would suggest an official build
06:43<towo`>this even could help
06:43<chris_se>jordyblind, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/ (assuming you have a 64bit PC)
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06:44<chris_se>I typically use debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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06:44<chris_se>but if you want something graphical you can also take the first DVD from: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/iso-dvd/
06:45<chris_se>(debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso)
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06:46<jordyblind>I want a textual one with braille and speech. Is that possible too?
06:46<chris_se>the DVD image _should_ have both of those features
06:47<chris_se>(but I haven't tried)
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11:16<canaima>hola
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11:17<canaima>hola
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11:20<canaima>temsta hola
11:21<canaima>hola kj4zek
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11:21<kj4zek>hey
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11:21<canaima>oye por casulida tu no tienes gta san andreas para la canaima
11:22<kj4zek>Just checking out "Debian Hamradio Pure Blend"
11:22<canaima>hlabla en español no entiendo nada
11:22<towo`>!es
11:22<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
11:23<kj4zek>sorry my Spanish is very limited
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11:23<towo`>kj4zek, that was for canaima, not for you
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11:24<chris_se>also, unless I completely misread them, they appear to want to have an illegal copy of a proprietary video game
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11:27<canaima>hola anon
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11:27<towo`>canaima, play elswhere
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11:28<mau_XDD>hola amigos el que este hay solamente quiero decirles algo
11:29<mau_XDD>hola tuxampol
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11:29<mau_XDD>hola tohnml
11:30<towo`>can any OP set this guy quiet?
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11:33<mau_XDD>hola johnml
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12:00<k330>Question: Why would a user be blocked in Debian from accessing harddrives, the drives are set for access to anyone, it seems as if the 2nd user can't access the /media/user1 where everything was mounted
12:01<k330>do i need to mount them elsewhere?
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12:01<towo`>and the fs on that drive is?
12:03<k330>fs?
12:03<towo`>filesystem
12:03<k330>filesystem?
12:03<k330>ext4
12:04<k330>i formatted them fresh from1 system before moving them to the other system
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12:04<towo`>then it has linux rights
12:04<towo`>the owner of that drive is?
12:04<k330>right, my main user can see and access with read/write rights, but my other user, who is part of the root group and my group
12:04<k330>can not see them
12:05<towo`>can not see what?
12:05<k330>currently my main user has ownership, but I even switched the ownership to user2
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12:05<k330>when my user issues a "df -h"
12:05<k330>I see none of the drives
12:05<towo`>why? is blind?
12:06<k330>so the main user can see all 3 drives and guest read+write is enabled, but user2 still can't seem anything
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12:06<towo`>i don't see 3 drives
12:06<towo`>you talking about /media/user1
12:06<towo`>that would be one partition
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12:07<k330>lets say for this exmplae the mount points are /media/user1/hd1 , /media/user1/hd2, /media/user1/hd3
12:07<k330>well, user 2 can't seem them.
12:07<towo`>that makes sense
12:07<k330>see*
12:08<towo`>so the drive is mountet by user1
12:08<k330>yes
12:08<towo`>which is a pribate mount
12:08<towo`>*private
12:08<k330>so, I need to mount them somewhere neutral?
12:08<k330>so user2 can see them
12:08<towo`>if you want to change that behavour, you can't use the outomount mechanism of your desktop
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12:09<towo`>you should create fstab entries for the partitions and use neutral mountpoints
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12:11<k330>there we go
12:11<k330>i created /mnt/1-3 points
12:11<k330>user 2 can see it
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12:19<Aamund>Goodevening
12:19<Aamund>Does anybody else have a problem getting Gnome on Debian 8 to index Dropbox, so that files show up in the search result?
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12:27<Knight_Rider>Hey niggas.
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12:47<nvu>hi guys
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14:24<averytho_>anyone know why mysql fails to start
14:24<averytho_>here is my error log
14:24<averytho_>http://pastebin.com/fDC5Knmx
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14:27<somiaj>averytho_: I'd search teh error given on line 11 in google.
14:27<somiaj>lines 13-17 is some suggestions on what to do
14:29<somiaj>also it appears your version is slightly outdated, also 5.5.46 seems to be a strange version for debian stable, which has 5.5.47 [though I do an old version like that in sid]
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14:32<eduardo_>hello!
14:32<eduardo_>i came here yesterday but got no answer, thought i'd get one today
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14:33<eduardo_>can someone help me with pulseaudio?
14:33<towo`>who knows
14:34<towo`>without telling a real problem, the answer would be no
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14:34<eduardo_>K, here I go
14:35<eduardo_>I got debian gnu/linux i386 live cd, in its "standard" version from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/bt-hybrid/
14:35<eduardo_>the standard version does not have a gui, but i wanted something minimal
14:35<eduardo_>the problem is
14:35<eduardo_>there's no sound in it
14:36<eduardo_>i installed pulseaudio and alsa-utils,
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14:36<eduardo_>and according to debian wiki 'apt-get install pulseaudio' should just work out of the box
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14:37<eduardo_>it actually works if a kill all pulseaudio instances and restart it with both 'sudo killall -9 pulseaudio' and 'pulseaudio --start'
14:37<eduardo_>but i wanted it to work out of the box, without those commands
14:37<somiaj>eduardo_: you may not need pulseaudio, alsa might be enough, and it could be you just need to turn up your mixer with alsamixer
14:37<eduardo_>i installed xfce with 'apt-get install xfce4'
14:37<eduardo_>or xfce, can't remember
14:37<eduardo_>the volume is up, and sound works after those commands
14:38<eduardo_>but not before them
14:38<somiaj>eduardo_: why not just grab the xfce live image then? Or did you install from the live system and now have an install?
14:38<eduardo_>i actually installed the standard version in a netbook
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14:38<somiaj>install the package pavucontrol, it will give you a gui that you can use to configure pulseaudio
14:38<eduardo_>but i want it to work in the standard version because i'll make a school project with it
14:38<eduardo_>yeah, i installed pavucontrol
14:38<somiaj>then make sure the program you are using to access the sound is configured to use pulseaudio
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14:39<eduardo_>and it says there is actual sound streaming, but i can't hear it when i run speaker-test
14:39<eduardo_>only after restarting pulseaudio manually
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14:39<somiaj>eduardo_: what do you mean by standard version? Once you install it and install xfce4 you are no longer running the standard live version
14:39<eduardo_>there are the gnome, cinnamon, xfce, and kde versions
14:39<eduardo_>i got the standard, headless one
14:40<somiaj>eduardo_: once you install the live system on your notebook and start installing packages you are no longer runing the standard live version.
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14:40<somiaj>eduardo_: so are you wanting to get audio working without a gui or with a gui?
14:40<eduardo_>yeah, but sound does not work in the live version too
14:40<somiaj>eduardo_: and what sort of programs are you wanting to use.
14:40<eduardo_>all of them
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14:41<eduardo_>both speaker-test in the cli and vlc in gui, y'know
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14:41<eduardo_>everything is perfectly fine after restarting pulseaudio, but i don't want to do it manually at every single boot
14:41<somiaj>no I don't know, which is why I'm asking. I personally just use alsa for my sound.
14:42<eduardo_>and i also don't want a script to do it, i want to actually solve the problem
14:42<somiaj>eduardo_: and you are talking about in your install (not in the live system, live systems revert after each boot)
14:42<eduardo_>it happens in both the live and the actuall installation
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14:43<eduardo_>i tested in three different computers, so it's probably not a hardware fault
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14:43<eduardo_>the project i'm working on includes orca, and i really need sound working out of the box
14:44<eduardo_>so, if i simply purge pulseaudio, will alsa be enabled and used automatically?
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14:45<chadw>anyone have a link to the deb 8 powerpc install manual? the one on the site has already been updated to 9
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14:46<eduardo_>anyone?
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14:51<somiaj>eduardo_: pusleauido is a sound server on top of alsa.
14:51<somiaj>eduardo_: I'm unsure what is going on that requires you to restart pulse for it to work correctly. I would look in the logs see if you can figure out what it is about restarting pulse.
14:51<eduardo_>i have a live cd iso copy right here, i'm going to boot from it using grub2
14:51<eduardo_>where can i find those logs?
14:51<eduardo_>dmesg?
14:52<somiaj>eduardo_: you could also see if you disable the pulseaudio starting automatically part, and if you start it manually later if it works. In that case you can just modify the timing of when it starts up
14:52<somiaj>eduardo_: or /var/log
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14:52<eduardo_>thanks, i'm trying that
14:52<eduardo_>i'm booting the live cd iso right now, let's see if it works with alsa only
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14:52<somiaj>chadw: what link are you talking about is updated? sounds like you are looking at the testing install manual.
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14:54<chadw>all of the english pdf manuals on https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual have been updated to 9. Happened when 8.3.0 came out.
14:55<eduardo_>which groups should my users be in to have alsa sound?
14:55<eduardo_>is audio enough?
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15:00<eduardo_>how dumb i am, alsa worked out of the box
15:00<eduardo_>is purging pulseaudio enough to correct the problem now?
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15:08<sleser>i have a directory it says 6 gig but there nothing in there
15:09<sleser>can a directory be 6 gig ? without any files inside
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15:10<zyley>is there simple answer ... dot files
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15:23<teatime>sleser: run du -ch on it
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15:27<leonardinux>du
15:29<leonardinux>run
15:29<leonardinux>???
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15:36<leonardinux>.help help
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15:41<leonardinux>?
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15:42<Raiz>anyone know when will debian stretch become the stable branch?
15:43<teatime>maybe like, a year
15:43<teatime>there's no way to know for sure.
15:43<Raiz>heh! it's 2016
15:43<Aamund>Does anyone know how to specify which folders Gnome scans for its searchindex? I cannot get it to find the content of my dropbox folder
15:43<Raiz>jessie become stable last year
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15:43<teatime>what about it
15:43<Raiz>remember?
15:44<chris_se>Raiz, freeze for Stretch is Feb. 5th 2017
15:44<teatime>testing freeze begins in a few weeks
15:44<teatime>wait wat
15:44<Raiz>woah! that's...
15:44<Raiz>it's gonna take a long time
15:44<chris_se>teatime, https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/03/msg00001.html
15:44<Raiz>I expected it this year
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15:44<teatime>I thought it was like 4 weeks away
15:44<chris_se>Raiz, Debian releases roughly every 2 years
15:44*Raiz slaps himself
15:45<chris_se>Jessie was released April 2015 -> Stretch ~ April 2017
15:45<Raiz>alright! cool, thanks anyways
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15:45<Raiz>o/
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15:45<chris_se>although since the release team delayed the freeze by 2 months, Stretch could be released later
15:45<leonardinux>seen debhelper
15:47<chris_se>teatime, why would you think weeks away? the last couple of release cycles debian was always frozen in autumn... this time it's delayed a bit so winter, but spring?
15:47<teatime>fiik
15:47<leonardinux>hello
15:47<chris_se>!ask
15:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:58<Aamund>Reformulated for readability: I have a problem with my DropBox Folder. The content inside the folder is not included when i use the search function in my windowmanager (Gnome 3). The DropBox folder is located in /home/myusername. Located here is also the standardfolder like documents, pictures etc. Subfiles in these folders appear in the search. My DropBox files also appear when removed from the Dropbox folder. I would like the searchfunction to index my
15:58<Aamund>DropBox folder so I can keep my files backed up. Can i manually add locations that Debian has to index?
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16:18<chris_se>Aamund, you might be running out of allowed inotify watches
16:19<chris_se>I suspect the GNOME indexer uses inotify - but dropbox does that too, presumably
16:19<chris_se>you could increase the limit for that
16:20<chris_se>(as root) echo fs.inotify.max_user_watches = 100000 >> /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf
16:20<chris_se>(as root) sysctl --system
16:21<chris_se>note: no idea whether that will actually solve your problem. if it doesn't: no idea
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16:25<Aamund>Thanks
16:25<Aamund>I will give it a go. brb
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16:27<chris_se>note that the GNOME indexer probably also needs to run before you actually find stuff - but I'm not a GNOME user, so don't ask me how to start it manually
16:28<Aamund>I didn't work unfortiunately. I am off to bed, but thanks for the try Chris.
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16:29<Aamund>I will write on the Gnome forums in the morning and see if they have clue.
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16:33<chris_se>good luck
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16:37<lindi-_>chris_se: gnome indexer? you mean tracker?
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16:38<chris_se>I meant the part of GNOME that's responsible for indexing the data that's used in the search that was described - I don't use GNOME, but every search engine does have to follow some basic principle
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16:40<lindi-_>chris_se: ok, afaik it's the "tracker" package that does that
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17:19<jamesawagner3>Created switching loop. Caused nm-applet to segfault and hung NetworkManager so bad I had to restart it. 10/10 Would do again.
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17:20<tony>alguien que sepa programar en java
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17:22<chris_se>!es
17:22<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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17:48<jamesawagner3>Is there a way to set the framebuffer mode from a shell? I have a machine that's buggy with Nouveau, and not liking KMS. I've tried to set the correct mode with video=LVDS-1:1024x768-24@60e, and that generated an oops in nouveau_connector_detect_depth. Using hwinfo I can see that 1024x768 is supported, but I can seem to pass the right magic to video=.
17:49<chris_se>unfortunately that's not possible
17:49<chris_se>the problem is that the video= setting when NOT using KMS is done while the option rom of your GPU is still active at early boot
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17:51<chris_se>of course, the syntax you've used suggests that you are actually using KMS
17:51<jamesawagner3>That's correct.
17:51<jamesawagner3>If I step back from the problem, what I dealing with is this:
17:51<chris_se>unfortunately II, there's no command line tool known to me to change the KMS resolution
17:52<chris_se>I've actually tried writing one once, but I couldn't find enough good documentation about the KMS interface
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17:53<somiaj>many kms drivers accept fb commands, so provided kms is loaded that will work
17:53<jamesawagner3>I have a machine that sucessfully sets the mode at boot using KMS, maybe 1 in 5 times. The other times, it fails, reporting that no outputs responded to EDID. If I set nomodeset, everything works, but I'm missing my highest resolution in X. I'm trying to fix the problem, rather than routing around it with a X modeline, and I can't figure out why KMS would be so prone to failure.
17:53<somiaj>though most kms drivers do a good job at detecting a decent reoslution for the console.
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17:54<somiaj>you want to use kms with the modern xorg drivers if you can
17:54<chris_se>nomodeset disables KMS, so X11 will use VESA then
17:55<chris_se>jamesawagner3, that seems to be a bug in the driver - what kernel are you using?
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17:55<jamesawagner3>A couple different ones, I'm going to build mainline next.
17:56<jamesawagner3>It happens with the testing 4.3.0 kernel, the sid 4.4.2 kernel, and the stable 4.4.5? kernel.
17:56<jamesawagner3>(I think it's 4.4.5, I don't have that running right now, so I can't use uname to get the minor version)
17:56<somiaj>sounds like it is an issue with the EDID, wonder if it could be a loose cable or something that occsionally doesn't get the edid from the monintor
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17:57<chris_se>somiaj, LVDS is laptop-internal, so that would indicate a loose cable within the laptop - not impossible to occur, but if so really difficult to fix
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17:57<jamesawagner3>I thought about that, but it didn't happen with an older knoppix disk. My next move, is going to be to retry with the knoppix disk, making note of the kernel version, and then run through the kernel versions until I hit the bug again.
17:57<somiaj>I've seen it sometimes happen due opening and shutting the lid
17:58<somiaj>well debian stable runs 3.16 kernel, and that wasn't in the list of what you tried
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17:58<somiaj>and if you aren't running debian stable you are in the wrong support channel
17:58<krypton>??
17:58<chris_se>note that you _can_ use a kernel from debian stable with a sid userland
17:59<chris_se>(to be able to support upgrades to the next version)
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17:59<jamesawagner3>My default release is set to testing, and I pulled in the sid kernel with apt-get -t sid, so I'm assuming, if I add the stable repository to sources.list, I can just add the linux-image-3... package the same way, right?
17:59<chris_se>yes
17:59<jamesawagner3>God knows that's faster than another kernel compile.
18:00<jamesawagner3>Awesome. I'll try that.
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18:11<Parrhesiastes>translate-shell doesnt work on stable?
18:11<Parrhesiastes>why is it included? :S
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18:18<chris_se>Parrhesiastes, it probably worked at some time and now stopped working. please file a bug report
18:19<chris_se>there was already a stable update for it after the Jessie release after it once stopped working, so you have a decent chance that the maintainer might want to prepare another one
18:19<chris_se>(no guarantee though)
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18:54<jamesawagner3>Interesting. Debian stable is 3.16.0, and the bug appears there as well. Knoppix 7.4 is at 3.16.*3*, and it consistently modesets. Knoppix 7.6 is 4.2.6, and that safely modesets as well. I'm going to try the 4.2.6 upstream, to confirm it's not a Knoppix specific patch. I suspect that in the process of probing the hardware, Knoppix includes code to handle outputs that fail to function. That said, dmes
18:54<jamesawagner3>g doesn't appear any different than my sucessful boots. Another possibility that I'm considering is that Knoppix disks are all i686, and not amd64. I don't feel like the process arch should affect the modeset, but at this point, I have to focus on the commonalities.
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18:55<jamesawagner3>*processor arch
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19:21<alejandro>#books
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19:24<jamesawagner3>And, 64 bit knoppix kernels are immune as well. Still going to compiling the same upstream version, but it's looking more and more like knoppix incidently patched the bug away.
19:25<somiaj>jamesawagner3: its the nouveau drivers?
19:29<jamesawagner3>Yep. Every kernel probes for and loads nouveau. The only difference is the kernels packaged in knoppix have yet to fail at modeset. I do not believe it's a debian specific bug, since the upstream 4.4.0 kernel had the same issue. I'm continuing to test, but the last thing I do before I go to the nouveau guys is try to get a list of patches from Knoppix.
19:29<somiaj>would supplying it a custom EDID [there is a kernel parameter you can use for this] at least avoid the issue as a workaround?
19:30<somiaj>and there are tools to copy the EDID off your current setup
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19:32<jamesawagner3>I'm pretty sure it would. I think the bug is in the polling code, and if the kernel would avoid asking the display, the modeset wouldn't result in a nonusable display.
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19:34<somiaj>depends where in the pulling code, but that was my thought if the issue is with getting it from the display, if you supply it a file it my avoid the asking part and use the file directly. At least it is a fix
19:34<somiaj>or something to try
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19:37<jamesawagner3>Yeah, definitely. I'm going to google that next, while I wait to pull the 4.2.6 sources. I don't doubt the hardware is noncompliant somewhere, but the fact that the knoppix kernel can handle it, suggests that it can be dealt with. Of course, it's also possible that Knoppix just assume the display is going to act silly, and routes around in the same way you said.
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20:02<alibra>just curious. why sta 3 advertised as 6 gbs when at best it's 6 mbs?
20:02<alibra>sata 3
20:02<alibra>600 mbs
20:02<somiaj>alibra: capacity can be greater than drive speed
20:02<somiaj>and I think you'll notice a difference between reads and writes
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20:04<teatime>also alibra do you mean Mb/s or MB/s ?
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20:04<alibra>sata 3 sandisk only reads 377mbs so why do they advertise 6gbs?
20:05<teatime>6 Gb/s = 715 MiB/s
20:05<teatime>alibra: because 6 Gb/s describes the link, not the drives
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20:05<alibra>got it
20:06<somiaj>alibra: is this an ssd or tranditonal drive?
20:06<alibra>but not really
20:06<alibra>ssd
20:06<somiaj>there can be other bottle necks.
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20:07<teatime>there are plenty of drives that can read faster than 3 Gb/s
20:07<teatime>and presumably drives will get faster with time
20:07<teatime>current drives can get up to maybe 600 MiB/s? Definitely over 500.
20:07<teatime>SATA 3, I refer to.
20:08<alibra>intel 920 x58 just don't get the GB/S part when it's really MB/S
20:10<teatime>be careful with your units
20:10<teatime>Gb/s and GB/s are not the same thing
20:10<teatime>same with Mb/s and MB/s
20:11<teatime>and MB is a little different than MiB (and GB vs. GiB) too
20:11<alibra>got that
20:11<teatime>alibra: you won't see a drive advertised as 6 Gb/s
20:11<ach>any up to dropbox and nautilus kind i saw a script that fill my needs perfectly but it uses dropbox by command and i haven't this dropbox command
20:11<alibra>Thanks teatime
20:11<teatime>although it may claim to support a 6 Gb/s SATA interface, which is true, but pretty dickheaded to write on the box. but that's marketing for you.
20:12<alibra>that's what i thought thanks teatime
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20:27*dvs has a NVMe drive that can read at 2.5 GB/s
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20:31<jamesawagner3>Multinested screen sessions. Still more user-friendly than Emacs.
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22:17<Arcade>I have two questions:
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22:18<Arcade>1. does cron run even after it misses its cron job for the day?
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22:19<Arcade>2. Does gnome boxes create a bridge when using it or does it do nat translation. Anyone know.
22:21<teatime>I don't understand either question.
22:21<teatime>Cron runs all the time; usually it will wake up once per minute to see if any jobs need ran. It takes basically zero resources.
22:21<Arcade>if cron misses a job like lets say it misses the hourly job
22:22<Arcade>err weekly
22:22<teatime>ah, because maybe the pc was off?
22:22<teatime>and you wonder if it will run when you turn it on?
22:22<Arcade>does it run again after the pc on?
22:22<Arcade>yeah
22:22<teatime>not traditionally. but there are cron daemons designed to do exactly that.
22:23<teatime>see: anacron
22:23<Arcade>ok.
22:23<Arcade>my second question is
22:23<Arcade>I am trying to run a web server via gnome boxes
22:24<teatime>I just googled it, had never heard of gnome boxes
22:24<sney>it's a frontend to qemu-kvm
22:24<teatime>sounds like a front-end to multiple virtualization stacks
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22:24<teatime>so, I imagine you can do bridged, NAT, or internal-only, whichever you prefer.
22:24<Arcade>yeah I was curious if I use it does it block port 80
22:25<Arcade>was not sure what it used may be the wrong channel to ask
22:25<teatime>I wouldn't think it would, on its own.
22:25<Arcade>tried using the ip no luck
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22:31<Arcade>I think i found what I am looking for teatime
22:31<Arcade>https://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html
22:31<Arcade>by default it is NAT
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