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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-03-07

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00:50<KAIZ3R>hi
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02:55<sdfsdfsdf>how i can write ISO to usb with debian 8.3 and xfce?
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02:56<rajasekhar>use dd if=/iso pathfile=/dev/<ur sd path>
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02:58<teatime>** be careful not to specify the wrong device.
02:58<sdfsdfsdf>sorry but how i can know my sd path? :\
02:58<teatime>and make sure it's unmounted first.
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02:59<jm_>cat /proc/partitions and dmesg shall help identify it, or look in /sys/block
02:59<jm_>cat /sys/block/*/*/model
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03:00<jm_>probably use grep instead of cat to get the path too
03:01<sdfsdfsdf>looks like its sdb4, ty
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03:02<sdfsdfsdf>and how i can format my sdb4 from terminal?
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03:02<jm_>you want to write the ISO to sdb not sdb4, to create a fs it's mkfs
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03:03<jm_>but as already mentioned, be extra careful
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03:04<teatime>note you dont need to format before writing the image with dd
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03:06<sdfsdfsdf>sudo dd if=/home/bob/Downloads/debian.iso of=/dev/sbd
03:06<sdfsdfsdf>dd: writing to ‘/dev/sbd’: No space left on device
03:06<sdfsdfsdf>why they said it :\
03:07<jm_>you created a file /dev/sbd and ran out of space while doing so
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03:07<jm_>note how you said sdb before, not sbd
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03:08<rajasekhar>check this dd if=/iso pathof=/dev/sdb bs=2M conv=fsync
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03:09<themill>or just use cp
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03:10<rajasekhar>sdfsdfsdf : run fdisk -l to know ur exact sd card location and then after try it dd if=/iso path of=/dev/sdX bs=2M conv=fsync
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03:10<sdfsdfsdf>wow it really was sbd mistake, now on sdb its work, ty all!
03:10<jm_>do not forget to delete that file
03:11<sdfsdfsdf>sbd? ok)
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06:18<zertt>Hello, I have a problem with priorities of repo's Debian, even by configuring the file /etc/apt/preferences
06:18<zertt>and by defining a high priority for my personal repo and a very low for those of Debian,
06:18<zertt>apt still takes packgages at security.debian.org, not the others. Here a link to see my files
06:18<zertt>/etc/apt/{preferences,sources.list} and the output of the command apt-cache policy.
06:18<zertt>https://framabin.org/?31f62e39c11e1a04#so82DJOZvUsb6YvagB9iELkO9KyKa76LHN5c2SQ4Tn8=
06:18<zertt>Someone has a solution ? I use Debian Jessie. Thanks
06:21<themill>it'd be great if we could have a non-broken pastebin of that information; and also the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy $package" for some package that illustrates the problem
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06:22<themill>(please use paste.debian.net)
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06:25<Asperi>how i can change my Gnome 3.14 interface from Russian to English? There is no english language in languages and region settings!
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06:26<jm_>are english locales generated? does login menu offer the choice of a different locale?
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06:27<Asperi>nope, only russian interface
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06:36<Asperi>make some changes in locale.gen maybe it help
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06:55<Asperi>how i can update gnome from 3.14 to newest in debian 8.3? )
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06:57<jm_>3.14 is the latest in debian
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06:57<Asperi>its mean you cant use 3.16 or 3.18 ?
06:58<Asperi>ok then another question, how i can connect Google Drive to gnome 3.14? )
06:58<jm_>it does not seem to be packaged yet
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07:07<jelly>what's the general rule on accepting fixes for oldstable-proposed-updates? I'm hitting #705456 and the only cure is backporting the fix from jessie.
07:07<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/705456 in vlan (closed): «don't act on VLAN interfaces supported by ifupdown»; severity: important; opened: 2013-04-12; last modified: 2014-04-26.
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07:14<plasmoduck>I am running testing, installed the nvidia proprietry driver, installed steam, downloaded some games. But each time I fire up a game, I get "OpenGL is not responding" and the game crashes and closes.
07:14<plasmoduck>Do I need legacy drivers installed too?
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07:15<plasmoduck>It's a GTX550
07:15<musca>,v nvidia-driver --release stretch
07:16<judd>Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- stretch/non-free: 352.79-4
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07:17<musca>plasmoduck: version 352.79-4 does support your GTX550.
07:17<plasmoduck>Well im using it
07:18<plasmoduck>Also, maybe I need no blacklist the nouveau driver and configure X to use the NVIDIA driver if it's not already. How can I be sure?
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07:18<jm_>for help with testing go to #debian-next, also x log will tell you which driver is in use
07:18<musca>plasmoduck: installing the debian nvidia-driver blacklists nouveau.
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07:19<plasmoduck>Okay
07:19<plasmoduck>So why is my games crashing?
07:19<plasmoduck>OpenGL is not responding "Force Quite / Wait".
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07:35<zertt>hello again, for the priority repo problem: http://paste.debian.net/412729
07:35<zertt>Thanks
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07:37<themill>zertt: so what's the issue there? (also, negative pinning isn't a nice thing to do to apt)
07:38<zertt>I have a personal repo with personal deb, but apt still takes packages from security.debian.org
07:38<themill>pins apply to the (package,arch,version) tuple, not to the mirror
07:38<jm_>I remember asking about something similar where apt was overwriting my package with the one from debian repositories - I needed to bump the version number (themill helped me too)
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07:39<jm_>(in my case the package was installed manually with dpkg)
07:39<themill>yeah, apt thinks these packages are identical so it is free to multiplex its requests
07:39<themill>s/multiplex.*/request resources from multiple mirrors to try to speed things up/
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07:40<themill>zertt: you could reorder your mirrors in your sources.list or (probably better) use a caching proxy like apt-cacher-ng
07:41<zertt>https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences the exemple 3 uses preferences by Origin (repo)
07:42<themill>not in the same way; you have the same package in multiple repos, not different packages in each repo
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07:46<zertt>but what is the difference ? In my case I use the same deb, in the the Debian's example it's a different deb, so what is the problem with this and priority of repo ?
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07:46<themill>that is the difference
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07:47<themill>pinning is to select which version of a package is to be installed, not to select where it can be obtained from
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07:48<jm_>that's exactly it - there is no difference :)
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07:48<jm_>I mean in your (package,arch,version) tuples as themill said
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07:49<themill>apt actually also looks at various other fields too including all dependencies of all forms and the size
07:50<zertt>so the exemple in the link is false ?
07:50<themill>no the example is correct
07:51<themill>You just stated the difference between your situation and the example.
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07:52<themill>You cannot use pinning to make a proxy; use a proxy if you want a proxy.
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07:54<zertt>OK thanks
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07:55<themill>,i apt-cacher-ng
07:55<judd>Package apt-cacher-ng (net, optional) in jessie/amd64: caching proxy server for software repositories. Version: 0.8.0-3; Size: 428.0k; Installed: 1029k; Homepage: http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/
07:55<themill>zertt: you might get close to what you desire just by changing the order of the entries in your sources.list
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07:56<zertt>how ? My personal repo is the first repo
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07:57<themill>put it last
07:57<themill>oh, first should be right
07:57<themill>If there are multiple repos that can be used, apt will try to use all of them
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08:01<zertt>first line or last, apt chooses security.debian.org
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08:06<weel>hi evryone
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08:09<weel>i'm trying to install MLVPN, it's connecting but I need help to configure MASQUERADE i guess
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08:10<weel>well, I've an interface on a client and a server, which can ping each other
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10:32<fundabit>hi
10:32<fundabit>i'm new
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10:41<xjja>Can somebody help me debug this? https://lists.shrew.net/pipermail/vpn-help/2016-February/015360.html
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10:41<xjja>I don't necessarily need an immediate solution, just advice on how to debug it or find out why it is not working.
10:41<xjja>Maybe I can fix it myself then.
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10:45<machstem>Hey all, quick question about rsync if anyone is around. I want to use --delete on my script but I have a "extras" folder that we have on specific destinations that I'd like to avoid deleting, but isn't everywhere. Is this possible ?
10:46<sney>probably with --exclude but you should test it on a different dir first
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10:49<machstem>sney --exclude only seems to affect source, not destination :(
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10:50<machstem>i have it working for that (--exclude=old_dir) won't copy over old_dir over to destination
10:50<sney>hmm
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10:54<skosso>ciao
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11:55<k330>anyone have an idea of why after I setup a vncserver on my Debian 8 install, I get a grey background where i can see anything, but I see applications when i remote in, like terminal and files explorer just fine.
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11:55<k330>can't see anything*
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11:56<sney>maybe you didn't get a window manager along with your vnc server?
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11:57<k330>does debian not cm pre-installed with a windows manager?
11:57<k330>come*
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11:59<sney>depending on what tasks you installed during your initial install
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12:03<k330>can you recommend a good windows manager to download?
12:04<sney>lxde is a good option for vnc
12:05<sney>fairly minimal but you get menus and a taskbar
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12:31<d1g1t4l>Why mp4 files dont work with Totem but run normaly with vlc?
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12:32<somiaj>d1g1t4l: run totem from a cli and see if any errors pop out. Could be a plugin issue or something else, but errors really help figuring out 'why'
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12:43<mdxzero>why soundjuicer haven't menues like before for convent in to mp3 and why are not icluced the GStreamer in the debian repo's?
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12:57<d1g1t4l>somiaj: That is my error http://paste.debian.net/412854/
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13:00<somiaj>d1g1t4l: unsure what those errors mean. Is this a custom build of totem (not a debian package) as the libary giving the error seems to be located in a werid place
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13:03<d1g1t4l>I have installed some backports packages. But all from repos jessie (or jessie-backports)
13:03<santexnik>hi how do i change the backround on my screen
13:04<somiaj>d1g1t4l: I dont' know enough about totem to understand what the error could be. And what I was talking about was just a warning. Just seemed odd
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13:04<somiaj>santexnik: in what desktop (assuming xorg). There are lots of ways. Many desktops have tools for this. I use the program feh
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13:05<santexnik>like the backround in the kde screen
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13:05<santexnik>id like to pute a picture of my own
13:05<d1g1t4l>somiaj: ok tnx
13:05<somiaj>santexnik: in KDE you can probabaly just use the file manager, right click on an image and say set as background
13:05<somiaj>d1g1t4l: is the totem you are using from backports or jessie?
13:06<sney>I believe there is a right click menu. otherwise it's in the system settings somewhere. unless you are using testing with kde5, in which case I've heard some reports that it currently doesn't work
13:06<somiaj>santexnik: kde probabaly also has a settings/configuration that allows you to set the background similar to say windows.
13:06<d1g1t4l>somiaj: Humm... I dont know, the version is: 3.14.0
13:07<somiaj>d1g1t4l: apt-cache policy totem should tell you where ti came from
13:07<somiaj>,v totem
13:07<judd>Package: totem on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.30.2-6; wheezy: 3.0.1-8; jessie: 3.14.0-2; stretch: 3.18.1-2+b1; sid: 3.18.1-2+b1
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13:07<michel_>HALO
13:07<somiaj>d1g1t4l: how about other multie media stuff, did you pull in libav or anything like that from backports? (wonering if there is some compadaiblity issue due to using backports)
13:07<michel_>HELLO
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13:08<santexnik>photos open with gwenview that thing dosnt have option to save as backorund
13:08<d1g1t4l>somiaj: look that: http://paste.debian.net/412856/
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13:09<somiaj>d1g1t4l: yea totem doesn't come from jessie-backports,
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13:10<d1g1t4l>somiaj: Yes, libav is from jessie-backports
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13:11<somiaj>d1g1t4l: that might be the issue, an issue with totem and the newer libav libaries. Not really a bug, but maybe the libav team who is making the backports wants to know
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13:11<somiaj>d1g1t4l: though no way to know for sure this is the issue without actually downgrading the libav stuff to jessie
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13:13<d1g1t4l>somiaj: thank you, I go to try
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14:18<usr>does anyone know anygood program for ubuntu deb to see if the boot usb is in anyway infected
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14:46<machstem>so i accidentally typed yes at the bash prompt on a debian buid....and it repeated the letter y over and over again...
14:47<machstem>and yes is a command...you learn something every day
14:47<machstem>will cause the CPU to hit 100%
14:47<machstem>to test CPU efficiency
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14:59<teatime>haha
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14:59<teatime>machstem: it was used in the long long ago; instead of something like `apt-get -y install foo`, you could do `yes | apt-get install foo`
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15:51<usernamenotavailablewtf>h all
15:52<usernamenotavailablewtf>Quick question:
15:52<usernamenotavailablewtf>I need this command to work
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15:52<usernamenotavailablewtf>{
15:52<usernamenotavailablewtf>mail($send,"Desjardin CA FULLS $ip",$details);
15:52<usernamenotavailablewtf>}
15:52<usernamenotavailablewtf>On my debian VPS
15:52<usernamenotavailablewtf>unfortunately, I have no idea on how to enable mail sending :/
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16:07<musca>you are asking two days too late, we cannot ask Ray Tomlinson anymore.
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16:09<sney>usernamenotavailablewtf: is that from a website? best practice is to install a mta (such as postfix or exim4) and configure your site accordingly. some will ask for a path to 'sendmail' which is provided by both of the examples I mentioned.
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16:09<sney>there is also a php mail function but iirc it is deprecated or otherwise not recommended for use
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16:09<usernamenotavailablewtf>I'm installing php-mail atm
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16:09<usernamenotavailablewtf>Think it'll make it work right there?
16:09<usernamenotavailablewtf>I'm super noob with linux
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16:10<sney>try it and see, but the mta approach is better supported last time I checked
16:11<usernamenotavailablewtf>Also, it's not for a long-term website.
16:11<teatime>there are fakeish MTAs that only forward to a smarthost, like ssmtp
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16:11<usernamenotavailablewtf>2 weeks tops, so it's only needed to work
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16:11<usernamenotavailablewtf>I read a little bit about exim4
16:11<usernamenotavailablewtf>seems a little too complex for my limited time.
16:12<sney>when you are just sending outgoing mail, exim4 works out of the box, as does postfix
16:12<usernamenotavailablewtf>Hm
16:12<sney>configuration is only for when you are doing more involved mail tasks
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16:12<usernamenotavailablewtf>So I just apt-get install exim4?
16:12<usernamenotavailablewtf>or postfix?
16:12<usernamenotavailablewtf>That seems amazing
16:13<teatime>sney: you say that
16:13<usernamenotavailablewtf>Would it interfere with the php-mail app I just installed?
16:13<teatime>but email is a bitch
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16:13<teatime>you should at least include your host in your domain's SPF records
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16:13<teatime>to have half a chance of not going straight into the spam file
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16:13<sney>though that applies to using php mail() as well ^^
16:15<usernamenotavailablewtf>I really don't care if it goes in SPAM
16:15<usernamenotavailablewtf>as long as it delivers
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16:15<usernamenotavailablewtf>Oh
16:16<usernamenotavailablewtf>So with php-mail it should work atm?
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16:18<snett>Hi all - can anyone explain to me the FS mount process using systemd under Jessie? I have a box rebooting with RO root filesystem. It makes no sense (fsck checks out ok, systemctl status and journalctl all check out ok).
16:18<snett>I can't find any systemd mounts/targets but I have found a /etc/.fstab ?
16:19<sney>my jessie machines have the usual /etc/fstab, with / having errors=remount-ro as an option by default
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16:21<snett>sney: This is on a pi, that implies raspbian is doing things differently.
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16:21<sney>and this is why #debian doesn't support derivatives
16:21<sney>#raspbian on freenode is where you want to be
16:21<snett>ahhh, thankyou - much appreciated
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16:33<teadofjg>how can i set tor broweser as default in jessie?
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16:37<usernamenotavailablewtf>Ok, so I have php-mail & exim4 installed and it's still not working... any idea?
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17:01<somiaj>teadofjg: default browser is a vague term because a lot depends on how you are calling the browser.
17:01<somiaj>teadofjg: many desktops/filemanagers use xdg-open, so xdg-settings can set a default browser. Some use xdg-mime info, others use the alternatives system, man update-alternatives
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17:02<somiaj>teadofjg: you will have to configure tor in the various places. If you use gnome/kde xdg-settings can set the default browser, other wm, fm, etc may need the other settings
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17:04<musca>we need to develop one universal standard https://xkcd.com/927/
17:04<somiaj>musca: just because it has worked so well in the past. (:
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19:02<twb>Anybody know offhand if it's useful to manually copy /usr/sbin/update-smart-drivedb to a system that predates that, and run it?
19:03<twb>Hm, looks like this stupid old server doesn't have drivedb.h, either, which is what update-smart-drivedb updates. So I guess this is not gonna do anything useful.
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20:48<twb>Hrm. If I'm on a 7-year update cycle, should I be rolling out jessie or stretch? It's in-house, so I could probably cope with minor disasters...
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20:49<twb>Ugh, "Summer 2016" in https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch -- northern cultural imperialism strikes again.
20:52<HaroldEddwind>what mean lrwxrwxrwx in ls listing?
20:52<sney>symlink
20:52<HaroldEddwind>thanks
20:53<sney>twb: agreed, and Q3 would be more specific anyway
20:53<sney>I would deploy stretch
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20:57<twb>my main concern is that jessie is full of incomplete systemd transition
20:57<twb>e.g. systemd-networkd and timesyncd are off by default
20:58<Arcade>does not have gnome-software center either ;p
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22:47<twb>The grub manual says that auto-generated grub.cfg does not support multiple disks, and I should hand-code in "search --set=root" calls instead of "set root" calls. Can I do that while still getting debian's default behaviour of automatically listing all the available kernels?
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22:49<ryouma>they also left out systemd's emacs
22:49<ryouma>oops wrong channel
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23:13<d1g1t4l>Hello. I use debian jessie and when I run mp4 with totem: http://paste.debian.net/413027/ . Someone can help me?
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23:14<ferlegend>escuse me you can says me where any channel of php?
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23:16<jmcnaught>d1g1t4l: does that happen with all files of the same type? does the video play, or are you just concerned about what that means?
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23:19<d1g1t4l>jmcnaught: The video dont play and happen with all mp4 files
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23:27<jmcnaught>d1g1t4l: i thought i had gotten va-api stuff working on this computer here, but maybe not. I have vainfo installed and it gives me output similar to your paste with some additional info
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23:27<shawn>hello
23:27<jmcnaught>d1g1t4l: but i don't have gstreamer1.0-vaapi package installed, which i would guess is what totem uses to use VA-API. Do you have that package?
23:28-!-mode/#debian [+l 735] by debhelper
23:28<shawn>I have a system when I boot it has low resolution. I think I need newer nouveau than comes with debian 8.3. is installing bpo kernel what i need?
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23:30<d1g1t4l>jmcnaught: Yes I have, Version: 0.5.9-2
23:32<jmcnaught>shawn: before trying that have you looked at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? Are you not able to change the resolution?
23:36<shawn>the log just says it cant find module nv
23:36<shawn>800x600 and 1024x768 are the two resolution options
23:36<shawn>this is a 1440x2560 monitor
23:38<jmcnaught>shawn: if you put that log on https://paste.debian.net/ others in the channel can take a look
23:38<shawn>ok
23:38<jmcnaught>d1g1t4l: what if you remove that package? also have you tested playing the same files in a different video player that can also use VA-API, like VLC?
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23:39<d1g1t4l>jmcnaught: Ok Im going try it
23:39<jmcnaught>shawn: "nv" is the old driver that was replaced by nouveau
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23:40<shawn>http://termbin.com/23uf
23:40<d1g1t4l>jmcnaught: Are you sugested remove gstreamer1.0-vaapi and so install vlc?
23:40<jmcnaught>d1g1t4l: i'm suggesting troubleshooting steps to isolate the problem. can other things play the files? can totem play without that package?
23:41<shawn>this is a GTX 970 (maxwell gpu?) btw
23:41<d1g1t4l>jmcnaught: I have only Totem... Im trying install vlc, one moment
23:42<jmcnaught>d1g1t4l: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=762579
23:42<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/762579 in gstreamer1.0-vaapi (open): «gstreamer1.0-vaapi: Does not work at all (with totem)»; severity: important; opened: 2014-09-23; last modified: 2015-04-08.
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23:43<jmcnaught>shawn: i don't really know much about nvidia GPUs or nouveau really, but "man nouveau" has a list of GPUs that are supported
23:44<d1g1t4l>jmcnaught: Tnx, but is very complicated for me, :(
23:46<jmcnaught>shawn: if your GPU is too new for jessie's nouveau, a new kernel probably won't help. the options at that point would be using the proprietary driver packages, or using testing or unstable :/
23:46<d1g1t4l>jmcnaught: Thank you.. I uninstall gstreamer1.0-vaapi, install vlc and now I run mp4 files with Totem and VLC too
23:47<jmcnaught>d1g1t4l: cool, it looks like that bug i linked is reporting the same or a similar problem
23:47<shawn>,checkbackport xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
23:47<judd>Backporting package xserver-xorg-video-nouveau in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
23:47<d1g1t4l>jmcnaught: Ok, Thank You
23:48<jmcnaught>shawn: or exchange the card for an older one, and buy more RAM or SSDs with the difference
23:48<shawn>jmcnaught: it says nouveau in sid is backportable without backporting any additional dependencies
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23:50<jmcnaught>shawn: that's the build dependencies, the install dependencies will probably turn into something resembling rpm hell
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23:51<shawn>oh yes it requires newer xserver-xorg-core than jessie has
23:51<shawn>well proprietary nvidia drivers it is
23:52<jmcnaught>shawn: there's a guide on the Debian wiki for installing nvidia drivers using the Debian provided packages
23:52<shawn>the proprietary ones in jessie-backports made me install a newer kernel too. i rebooted to a black screen. tried to rebuild dkms modules a few times with no luck, and then i installed 4.3 and it worked
23:53<shawn>yeah but the wiki didnt mention needing a newer kernel
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23:53<jmcnaught>shawn: did you add an xorg.conf?
23:53<shawn>yes
23:53<shawn>but the documentation says it's no longer required
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23:54<jmcnaught>shawn: it is for nvidia drivers, check the page again: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers including the configuration section
23:55<shawn>oh yeah, maybe i misread something somewhere
23:56<shawn>but regardless, i made one anyways
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23:56<shawn>ok well let me try this again. see if it happens again
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