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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-03-13

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03:12<yuicat>Hey guys! I was wondering if anyone could help debug my interfaces file: https://yui.cat/static/interfaces.txt
03:13<yuicat>IPv4 works like a charm, IPv6 doesn't, and I'm short on ideas
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04:36<vertex>hi
04:36<vertex>can someone help me my desktop icons are gone
04:36<vertex>):
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04:37<Parckwart>which desktop environment do you use?
04:38<vertex>i installed cinnamon and lxde and gnome
04:38<vertex>lxde icons are gone too
04:38<vertex>and i cant change background without going to the settings from the start menu
04:39<Parckwart>they aren't in ~/Desktop either?
04:39<vertex>they arent
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04:39<Parckwart>well, then either you or something else deleted them
04:40<vertex>hmm
04:40<Parckwart>have you already taken a look into the trash?
04:41<vertex>i cant access desktop
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04:41<vertex>it closes itself
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04:42<Parckwart>huh? the whole desktop environment?
04:42<vertex>the file manager too
04:42<vertex>looks like its closing itself
04:42<vertex>???
04:43<Parckwart>all three of these environments?
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04:43<Parckwart>cinnamon, lxde and gnome?
04:43<vertex>i ll try lxde brb
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04:45<Parckwart>so?
04:46<vertex>lxde loads the icons then the icons blink for like 10 secounds then they gone
04:46<vertex>background is working
04:47<Parckwart>this seems more like an issue with graphics or something, doesnt it?
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04:48<vertex>hm
04:48<vertex>i was trying to make a tga file with c
04:48<vertex>but i got some memory alloc problem
04:49<vertex>the file manager of lxde is not working
04:49<vertex>it closes itself
04:50<Parckwart>you could launch it from the terminal and see if it outputs some errors.
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04:51<vertex>what commands should i use
04:51<vertex>im on the desktop in the terminal
04:51<vertex>i did ls it showed some files
04:51<vertex>there are some .tga files
04:51<Parckwart>idk, launch some graphical application that crashed
04:51<Parckwart>firefox or something
04:51<Parckwart>if firefox crashes for you
04:52<vertex>hm
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04:59<vertex>i removed some .tga files from the terminal
04:59<vertex>the file manager is working
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05:00<vertex>brb
05:00<groolot>hi, do you where can I find some information about iceweasel remove in SID to the profit of firefox-esr ?
05:00<groolot>+know
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05:01<groolot>who decide that and what is the long time availability of that package ?
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05:02<themill>groolot: nothing other than the icon really changes
05:02<vertex>desktop is working again thanks all, removing the broken .tga files fixed it
05:02<groolot>the link iceweasel do not exists anymore
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05:03<groolot>themill: I think that the transition to firefox-esr will have some side effect about used
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05:03<groolot>What was the change in Mozilla policy that better comply with Debian rules now ?
05:05<groolot>themill: my 6 years usage was to call my browser through "iceweasel" invocation, and my scripts and automation are based on that, though the radical change last days removing iceweasel link was a pain :)
05:06<themill>ln -s works
05:06<groolot>themill: of course
05:07<groolot>i know that, but I meant to know what was the decision to change that without advertisement
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05:07<groolot>themill: and I try to find some discusion about that, but unfortunably
05:07<themill>that's what sid is for; it will be documented for the stable release
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05:08<jmcnaught>that's what unstable means in Debian, that things change
05:08<themill>there's discussion in the bts about it
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05:09<groolot>themill: I did not find in BTS, do you have a correct link ?
05:09<themill>not without searching
05:09<groolot>:/
05:10<groolot>themill, jmcnaught : thanks
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05:13<themill> #815006
05:13<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/815006 in iceweasel (open): «Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-02-17; last modified: 2016-03-06.
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05:45<korencia>How to create custom LIVE debian CD with my custom software in it?
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05:57<vortek>whne docky app starts it complians stating there no compositing or something
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05:59<vortek>i mean when i start the docky aplication it complians about there is no compositing
05:59<vortek>Any ideas?
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06:27<xSmurf>korencia: have a look at live-build
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06:30<korencia>Yes, I have found https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/09/21/how-to-build-a-debian-livecd/ I am trying this. Maybe next time I will try your live-build.
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07:28<daft>hi i have lended out this laptop and changed debian to windows as 1st to boot. but now i forgot how to change it back
07:29<daft>ow /etc/defsuault.ggrub domfrnbi
07:29<daft>one sec
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08:18<korencia>daft: 1.) try to run
08:18<korencia>$ update-grub2
08:18<korencia>2.) if 1.) did not help, try to check if the files in /etc/grub.d/ are this way:
08:18<korencia>README
08:18<korencia>00_header
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09:08<Sp0nken>Does anyone knows if it's possible to use a usb->ps2 adapter to use with an old kvm-switch? Switches with usb capacity are still too expensive imo
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09:13<chris_se>Sp0nken, what kind of kvm switch?
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09:14<chris_se>if the kvm switch does PS/2 internally and keeps the adapter powered on constantly (as it should according to the PS/2 standard, otherwise you risk bricking your hardware), then it should work
09:14<anonymous>hey
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09:15<anonymous>anonymous os is fake ?
09:15<chris_se>if not, it could still, but you'd need to test it
09:15<anonymous>ok
09:15<anonymous>i'm french
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09:16<chris_se>Sp0nken, so I'd tentatively expect it to work, but I wouldn't guarantee it...
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09:19<Sp0nken>chris_se: I'ts an old d-link, don't remember the model. But it has 4 ps2 for mouse/keyboard and 4 vga
09:19<chris_se>is it electronic? or mechanical?
09:20<chris_se>electronic: I'd give it a high probability to work. mechanical: I'd give it a 50/50 chance to work (and note that mechanical PS/2 switches are technically in violation of the spec and could in theory brick your motherboards regardless of any usb adapter - although I've never actually heard of that occurring in practice, to be fair)
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09:21<Sp0nken>electronic, so it seems that it may work :) thank you
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09:22<chris_se>just don't sue me if it doesn't :)
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09:23<Sp0nken>haha don't worry :) those adapters are'nt very expensive, just some time spent on something dumb in that case :P
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09:25<chris_se>I've actually used electronic PS/2 KVM switches with USB adapters before, but don't ask me what model adapter and/or KVM switch that was... too long ago
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09:27<chris_se>just note that you can _only_ use a mouse with that setup, you can't actually pass through generic USB devices with adapters on each side ;)
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09:28<Sp0nken>chris_se hmm, so a keyboard will not work then? It seems that buying a usb kvm switch is my only option then
09:29<chris_se>keyboards will also work if you use the KVM's keyboard port
09:29<chris_se>but you can't take a USB key
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09:29<chris_se>so what is USB in your case? your keyboard/mouse? or the connector on the computer?
09:29<chris_se>(or both?)
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09:57<Sp0nken>chris_se: I have a usb keyboard atm but there is no problem replacing it with a ps2 one.. The only thing is that new replacement keyboards is mostly usb so maybe it's better to consider a kvm switch with usb instead
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09:58<Guest7708>debian bootup from not first time,so?
09:58<Guest7708>debian is shit or any other version?
09:59<Guest7708>any logs where you say, just give me right os
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10:00<dooglus>whats the best package for sharing apt-get downloads between multiple local machines to save ISP bandwidth?
10:00<Guest7708>hey
10:00<dooglus>I see apt-cacher-ng and apt-cacher, but from what I remember there was a third, better, alternative
10:01<abrotman>approx ?
10:01<dooglus>thats not what I used before
10:01<dooglus>but I'll look at it, thanks
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10:03<chris_se>Sp0nken, ok, so you don't have PS/2 on the computers you want to connect to KVM anymore, right?
10:04<Sp0nken>right
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10:04<chris_se>so on the computer end you'd need some kind of adapter that has a USB male port and female PS/2 port(s), form a duckduckgo image search I get e.g. this one: https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blueface.nl%2Fimage%2Fcache%2FA-USB2PS2-unit-500x500.jpg&f=1
10:04<chris_se>(where you then plug in the PS/2 cables to the KVM switch)
10:05<dwk>I'm trying to compile packages like iceweasel, apache along with all their dependencies with a special compiler flag
10:05<dwk>is there any automated way of doing this?
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10:05<chris_se>that can be 1 usb port with 2 ps/2 ports, that's fine (because the adapter emulates both a USB keyboard _and_ mouse)
10:05<Sp0nken>ok, thank you again! i will look into that
10:05<chris_se>on the keyboard/mouse side of the KVM you need individual adapters for USB devices (USB A female <-> PS/2 male), see (also from image search): https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.Mba75fb63649c6febdf4bf74733187876o0%26pid%3D15.1&f=1
10:06<chris_se>you need two of those (one for keyboard, one for mouse) because the ports of the KVM only read the keyboard / mouse signal individually from the respective PS/2 ports
10:08<chris_se>also, you _can_ use 2 adapters on the computer side as well (as long as it's USB A male <-> PS/2 female), see e.g. https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia-live.icintracom.biz%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct%2Fcache%2F2%2Fimage%2F630x%2F5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d%2F1%2F5%2F15016%2FAdattatore-PS2-femmina_USB-A-maschio-Manhattan-31.jpg&f=1 and https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.Me74b829f4871
10:08<chris_se>d35bd4f765ebbef4cf19o0%26pid%3D15.1&f=1 (again via image search, no endorsement at all of the products)
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10:08<chris_se>it's just that from my experience, 1 USB <-> 2 PS/2 (the first image I posted) on the computer side is more practical
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13:10<metazploit>Hi! :-)
13:11<sney>hi
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13:16<vortek>hi
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13:24<Bunsen>Hello, I do have an OCZ Vertex 2, and I want to install debian on it, but when I use the debian installer, it won see the SSD. The ssd is not broken because I am currently using it too boot windows, does anyone have an idea as to why this is happening?
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13:26<chris_se>isn't that a SATA SSD?
13:26<Bunsen>Jup
13:26<chris_se>so if that doesn't show up, apparently the SATA controller you have isn't identified correctly
13:27<Bunsen>But why is my 2 TB hdd detected by the installer?
13:27<chris_se>you could try to look in your BIOS and see if there's an option to enable AHCI mode (the standardized SATA controller interface)
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13:27<chris_se>are they on the same SATA controller?
13:27<chris_se>some motherboards have different ports (e.g. different SATA speeds, RAID support, etc.)
13:27<Bunsen>the very same
13:28<Bunsen>I tried setting the ssd to the sata 2 port instead of the sata 3, no ciqar
13:28<chris_se>then we'd need to see the kernel messages when you boot the installer
13:28<Bunsen>how would I log those?
13:28<Bunsen>or see?
13:29<chris_se>well, if you press Ctrl+F2 during the installer is active, you get a (very limited) shell
13:29<chris_se>there's the dmesg command that outputs the kernel log messages
13:29<chris_se>you can do dmesg > filename to store them in a file
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13:29<chris_se>since it detects your 2tb hdd, is there any partition on there where you can store files on?
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13:30<Bunsen>I can also type it down, reconnect to this chat with my laptop and give live info?
13:30<chris_se>yes, probably better
13:30<Bunsen>it is partioned
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13:30<Bunsen>so yes
13:30<chris_se>btw. there's also a possibility to enable SSH on the installer
13:31<chris_se>so you can ssh in from your laptop (under linux with ssh, under windows with e.g. PuTTY)
13:31<Bunsen>booting into my laptop(debian installed with SSD, so I know it can be done)
13:32<Bunsen>back in a sec
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13:35<drbunsen>Hello, I logged in onto my laptop now, not sure if I have the same username
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13:37<drbunsen>at the disks selection part you want me to spill the dmesg I suppose?
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13:38<chris_se>wait
13:38<chris_se>if you follow this: https://blog.sleeplessbeastie.eu/2015/10/12/how-to-install-debian-remotely/
13:38<chris_se>then you can log in to the installer from your laptop
13:39<chris_se>and then use copy&paste from your ssh session to https://paste.debian.net/
13:39<drbunsen>ahhh, okies. I am already at the disk selection screen, but ctrl+f2 is not working for me?
13:39<chris_se>that's probably the simplest way to get the messages
13:39<chris_se>Alt+F2, sorry
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13:39<drbunsen>I am ssh-installing it now
13:40<drbunsen>hmm, it seems mine hasn't the expert install?
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13:40<chris_se>every image should have expert install
13:40<chris_se>perhaps in a submenu
13:40<chris_se>(btw. in the final step of the link I gave you: choose "start shell" instead)
13:41<drbunsen>it is not under advanced options
13:41<chris_se>maybe it's in the main menu?
13:41<chris_se>(depends on your image)
13:41<chris_se>otherwise: which installer image are you using?
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13:41<drbunsen>it is a live image, 8.3.1
13:42<drbunsen>debian-live-8.3.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso
13:42<chris_se>oh, maybe that doesn't have expert install mode, never used those
13:42<chris_se>you could try the network install image (low download size), that definitely has expert install mode
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13:43<drbunsen>I better do that, alt f2 isn't working either :'(
13:43<chris_se>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/
13:43<chris_se>the -netinst.iso
13:43<chris_se>(247 MiB)
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13:44<drbunsen>downloading the torrent
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13:45<drbunsen>am I right to cp it over the usb, won't that screw it up because of the old bigger iso being on it?
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13:46<sney>not cp
13:47<chris_se>you need to dd it
13:47<sney>but you can overwrite it without doing anything else first, the image is read from the start
13:47<chris_se>dd if=image.iso of=/dev/usbdrive - but be sure you get the right /dev/usbdrive
13:47<chris_se>(so don't overwrite your main drive, that would be bad)
13:48<drbunsen>ahhh, I use dd for my rasperries alot, so I know how to select the right device ;)
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13:48<drbunsen>dd is running
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13:51<drbunsen>ahhh, expert install works now
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13:52<jmcnaught>why not cp? the install manual doesn't even mention dd
13:52<chris_se>because cp will copy it to the file system, and then the usb will not be bootable
13:52<jmcnaught>chris_se: "cp debian.iso /dev/sdb"
13:53<chris_se>does that work?
13:53<sney>I think you can cp to a block device and it will work as well as cat or dd, but I don't like to use that example here, where noobs will probably get it wrong
13:53<drbunsen>at what point do I ssh into it, or enable it?
13:54<chris_se>follow the instructions on the page I sent you: https://blog.sleeplessbeastie.eu/2015/10/12/how-to-install-debian-remotely/ad
13:54<jmcnaught>it works, and it's the way the install manual says to do it. dd and cat are not even mentioned. cp also optimizes the transfer automatically so it's usually faster
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13:54<chris_se>and only in the very end at the last menu when you are SSH'ing in from your laptop choose "shell" instead of the installer
13:55<drbunsen>yeah ok, I was following it, was reading the next steps
13:55<adrian15>chris_se: Why don't you let him do a normal install ? I suspect that using netinst will discover his hard disk ok at the first try.
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13:56<chris_se>adrian15, the hardware support for live image and netinst should be identical, the installer only slightly different
13:56<drbunsen>hmmm, I need non free stuff for my network to work
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13:56<chris_se>ok, then you need the firmware image: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/
13:57<jelly>dpkg, tell drbunsen about firmware images
13:59<drbunsen>I said no to the non free and it says it connects
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14:03<drbunsen>I also don't see the install remotely part in the menu...
14:03<chris_se>did you use expert install?
14:03<drbunsen>yeah
14:03<chris_se>and did you load the remote console installer component?
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14:03<chris_se>(see instructions)
14:03<drbunsen>I followed the instructions
14:04<chris_se>so this here: https://blog.sleeplessbeastie.eu/assets/uploads/2015/10/debian-remote-6b.png
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14:04<drbunsen>restarted the installer
14:06<drbunsen>now it works
14:06<drbunsen>and you wanted me to do start shell right?
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14:06<drbunsen>at the last step
14:06<chris_se>yes
14:06<chris_se>and then in the shell, type dmesg, and then copy it to https://paste.debian.net/
14:06<chris_se>I mean copy the output
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14:09<drbunsen>that is alot https://paste.debian.net/414855/
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14:11<chris_se>so it detects a TOSHIBA disk, 2 TB, that's probably your hard drive
14:11<chris_se>and it detects 2 CDROM (or DVD/BluRay) drives
14:13<chris_se>so I think what's relevant is the following: [ 3.028028] ata3: SATA link down (SStatus 1 SControl 300)
14:14<chris_se>so there's apparently a SATA port that either not connected OR where linux thinks it's not connected
14:14<chris_se>how many sata ports does your mainboard have?
14:15<drbunsen>I do have 6 ports, two sata2, and three sata 3 ports.
14:16<chris_se>2 + 3 = 5?
14:16<drbunsen>I meant 4 sata 3
14:17<chris_se>and all your things are connected to SATA3 ports?
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14:17<drbunsen>and I switched the ssd from the sata 3 to sata 2 to check if that would work, but that doesn't work. My current OS is installed on that very same ssd and I can boot from it, so I figured the ssd is not dead
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14:18<drbunsen>no only the storage drives are connected to sata 3
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14:18<blast007>are there more than 3 drives attached?
14:19<chris_se>could you do the following: connect it to a different SATA port? I'd like to see if the ports the kernel sees changes
14:19<chris_se>(not SATA2, one of the free SATA3 ones)
14:19<drbunsen>blast007: 2 storage drives, 2 cd drives
14:20<drbunsen>chris_se: I can howplug that right, and resubmit the dmesg after it?
14:20<blast007>and you've tried swapping out the SATA cable to the drive that won't show up?
14:20<chris_se>don't hotplug stuff unless you are SURE that your mainboard supports it
14:20<chris_se>it could damage the mainboard and/or the drive
14:21<chris_se>better: power down, replug, do the installer thing again, resubmit dmesg
14:21<chris_se>and yeah, check a different cable may also help
14:21<chris_se>(OTOH, I've never had the case that windows sees it but linux doesn't, if the controller is AHCI and supported, which appears to be the case for you...)
14:22<chris_se>(my system has 1 ssd, 3 hdds, 1 dvd + 1 for external port w/ hotplug and I never had trouble with linux there)
14:22<drbunsen>Funfact: windows is onstalled on the ssd, that boots okay, I will replace the ssd and restart the installer, I think I don't need to replace the sata cable because I can boot into the ssd?
14:23<chris_se>_probably_ not, but I would try nontheless - maybe Linux is stricter with something and therefore a problem with the cable doesn't affect windows (yet), but does linux
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14:30<drbunsen>another cable, another port
14:30<drbunsen>https://paste.debian.net/414860/
14:31<chris_se>ok, so you have the following: it detects that there's something on that port (previously it was ata3, now it's ata1)
14:31<chris_se>(the non-connected ports are dummy, see e.g. [ 0.778415] ata2: DUMMY
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14:31<chris_se>problem is, if you grep the current output for ata1, you see again: [ 2.999778] ata1: SATA link down (SStatus 1 SControl 300)
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14:34<drbunsen>so what now?
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14:35<chris_se>I'm out of ideas, sorry, never had anything like it. You could try a BIOS update (if you have Windows installed, that should be easy), you could also check BIOS settings if there are different modes for the SATA controller (but be careful there).
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14:37<drbunsen>ahhh, that is too bad. Thanks for trying to help me mate, really appreciate it!
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14:38<drbunsen>I will check the BIOS
14:38<lv1>drbunsen...
14:38<lv1>what's wrong?
14:38<lv1>or what seem wrong?
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14:42<lv1>Guys... interesting question coming up
14:42<lv1>who has ever implemented Squid + SSLBump
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14:42<lv1>and bumped his/her head against HTST or HKPK?
14:42<lv1>and... how did you get around it?
14:42<lv1>My only workaround until now: force the use of TLS1.1 max
14:43<lv1>hope you have good ideas, that have a bit more style
14:43<chris_se>you do realize that intercepting SSL traffic is a bad idea when it comes to security?
14:44<chris_se>and key pinning (HKPK) was designed to avoid precisely that?
14:44<lv1>yep I do
14:44<chris_se>(HSTS should not interfere btw. if you successfully intercept it and the clients accept your CA)
14:45<lv1>nope, HSTS does some nasty browser side caching
14:45<chris_se>(HSTS is just "please always use https for connecting to $site" and browsers store that info)
14:45<lv1>wich means: once the original CA is accepted... we have an issue
14:45<lv1>thanks for getting back btw
14:45<chris_se>getting back?
14:45<lv1>well.. respond
14:45<lv1>:)
14:45<lv1>I use a chain of proxy servers to.... well avoid my geographic limitations
14:46<chris_se>socks proxies?
14:46<lv1>nope, just for web http/https
14:46<lv1>socks... hell no
14:46<lv1>use ICAP with a couple of AV and content inspection engines to... well keep things a bit safer
14:46<lv1>that's why I bump SSL
14:47<lv1>other favorable additional side effect: total content control...
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14:47<chris_se>HSTS doesn't lead to caching of anything other than "please use ssl for this site" - it's just HKPK (similar header) that is the problem in your case
14:47<chris_se>but: why don't you filter out the header if you're using squid anyway?
14:47<lv1>tried to... but chrome doesn't fall for that
14:48<drbunsen>lvl1 it seems that I can't seem to be able to see my ssd in linux
14:48<lv1>for some reason safari and chrome are the only browsers in my network that start whihning about TLS errors/issues
14:48<chris_se>lv1, because chrome has some fixed keys in there for some sites
14:48<lv1>hence, the reason I forced TLS1.1 as a max...
14:48<chris_se>(like google.com)
14:48<lv1>yes
14:49<chris_se>TLS1.1 is bad security-wise - OTOH, you're only speaking it in your local network, so as long that that's not unencrypted wireless, it could be worse
14:49<lv1>@chris_se yep
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14:49<lv1>yeah I know normally TLS1.1 is bad security wise
14:49<lv1>but this is an internal PKI
14:49<lv1>outside, the proxy handles TLS1.2
14:49<lv1>so no biggy
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14:50<chris_se>so I definitely wouldn't recommend any of this - because browsers could at some point determine to disable older TLS versions completely once a new attack is discovered
14:50<lv1>The issue is as follows... think about the need to rewrite content...
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14:50<lv1>if traffic isn't bumped by Squid, you cannot re-write
14:50<chris_se>I don't have any good solution for you though - the new TLS security mechanisms were designed to prevent precisely what you are doing, and to establish end-to-end trusted channels
14:51<lv1>At this moment, I am playing around with a home-brewn SNI proxy written in perl (.... I know, I am old fashioned)
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14:51<lv1>My DNS points certain zones towards the SNI proxy
14:52<lv1>and that guy deliberatly offers a cert signed by my CA
14:52<lv1>kinda works for most stuff... but not all
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14:52<lv1>google services not... because they are pinned by default (in chrome)
14:53<lv1>now the next step, I planned is an enrollement page, in which the client is forced to install my CA into it's trust store...
14:53<chris_se>don't use chrome then ;[
14:53<lv1>true :D
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14:53<lv1>unfortunatly... android is on a rise in my network
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14:54<lv1>even bloody freaking smart tvs seem to be migrating from WebOS to freaking Android
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14:56<lv1>@chris_se still thanks for allowing me to pick your brain
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14:57<chris_se>the only real way forward I see for you are browser extensions
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14:59<lv1>yeah, one way or another I will have to wait until some auto-enrollment feature is working for chrome/android
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15:02<lv1>@chris_se thanks for sharing a thought or two on the topic
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15:03<chris_se>np
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15:20<shawn>is there a way to manually check for updates using packagekit?
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15:20<shawn>in gnome 3
15:21<shawn>i open it, and it says no updates, and it immediately closes. then I apt-get update from the terminal, and reopen packagekit package updater, and it shows the updates
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15:22<shawn>i'm okay with doing it from terminal personally, i'm moving my mom away from ubuntu gnome because it's got issues that debian doesnt have
15:22<mtn_>shawn: you can use synaptic
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15:22<lv1>There is a GUI for Debian?
15:22<lv1>....now I've heard everything.
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15:37<lv1>guys... hate to be off-topic
15:37<lv1>but check the news on the Ivory Coast incident
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15:37<lv1></end message>
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15:48<anonimous>ola
15:49<lv1>yo
15:50<anonimous>quem fala?
15:51<lv1>not really...
15:51<lv1>just tried to be friendly
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15:52<blast007>!br
15:52<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:36<Sar>HI I NEED YOU HELP PLS
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17:37<sney>not that badly apparently
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17:45<vortek>hah
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17:59<vortek>when trying to run screen savers i got no glx
18:00<vortek>im using nouveau nvidia drivers
18:00<sney>then you got no glx in general. x screensavers are pretty much the most basic glx demo
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18:00<vortek>how can i get em to display glx?
18:01<sney>install libgl1-mesa-glx and hope for the best, but iirc nouveau has incomplete 3d support
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18:01<vortek>ok
18:03<vortek>is there any other way to get my 550m to work in X with something other then nouveu? i got intell 3000 and nvidia 550m
18:03<vortek>id be happy using the intel 3000 if i could
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18:03<sney>that sounds like optimus
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18:04<vortek>yeah it is
18:05<vortek>is there a way to make it use nvidia 550m?
18:06<sney>http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee
18:06<sney>but I will not help
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18:08<vortek>thanxs
18:09<vortek>yea i had it working on defualt install one time but i did something to this install and it dont work now
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18:10<vortek>ill try the wiki and see if that works
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18:16<Neytiri>hi i need to be able to move files from one directory to another that fit a specific naming convention "BLAH-BLAH - THIS PART DOEST'N MATTER" there is no spaces in the BLAH i have been at this for hours wiht no luck
18:18-!-mode/#debian [+l 748] by debhelper
18:18<chris_se>mv "BLAH-BLAH"* /other/directory
18:19<Neytiri>BLAH-BLAH changes
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18:20<Neytiri>example BCY033-01 ASK1537-11 B3000-006 ect
18:22<yuicat>Hey guys! I was wondering if anyone could help debug my interfaces file: https://yui.cat/static/interfaces.txt
18:22<yuicat>IPv4 works like a charm, IPv6 doesn't, and I'm out of ideas
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18:23<Neytiri>does any of your ipv6 addresses come up?
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18:25<Neytiri>yuicat, this might help you https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-additional-ipv6-addresses-to-your-droplet
18:25<chris_se>Neytiri, you can do simple matches against letters, e.g. [A-Z]
18:25<chris_se>so for example, mv [A-Z]*-[0-9]* other/directory
18:25<chris_se>(if that's the pattern)
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18:26<abrotman>Neytiri: might help to have an exmaple of files that you don't want moved also
18:26<chris_se>it's a bit limited, you can't do everything, but maybe it's enough; * matches 0 or more arbitrary characters, ? matches exactly 1 arbitrary character and [...] matches exactly one character in that range
18:26<chris_se>there's also [!A-Z] to match any character except A-Z
18:26<Neytiri>some excluded files Audioslave - Cochise - THR0302_10.zip BCY005-1-11 - Van Zant - Nobody Gonna Tell Me What To Do.zip
18:26<Taj2>Hi guys, I need a little help, I have debian 8 on computer and when I try to access internet via browser or even if i try to run update command my wired connection starts giving me error of ethernet cable unpluged?
18:27<Taj2>But my ethernet cable is still connected, I have checked the settings every things seems to be fine, however my wifi connection works perfectly?
18:27<Taj2>Any advice how to fix that?
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18:27<chris_se>Neytiri, unless you can come up with a _specific_ pattern, I don't think you can automate that
18:28<Neytiri>im trying to move the fles that have the specifiv pattern of "DISKID-Track - Artist - title.zip
18:28<chris_se>yuicat, your auto/allow-hotplug stuff is weird
18:28<blast007>Taj2: what NIC is it? check 'lspci -nn | grep Ethernet' and paste the specific line here
18:28<chris_se>also, why are you using old-style aliases: just add multiple addresses
18:29<Taj2>OK sir Give me a sec
18:29<chris_se>e.g. address ip:v:6:a:d:d:r:e:s:s/64 or so (replace it accordingly)
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18:29<chris_se>Neytiri, so you want to do the following? *-*" - "*" - "*.zip
18:30<chris_se>(anything followed by - followed by anything followed by a space, -, anonther space, followed by anything, followed by space, -, space, followed by anything, followed by .zip)
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18:30<Neytiri>areguement list to long
18:30<yuicat>chris_se: Thanks
18:31<chris_se>Neytiri, so you can do the following: for i in pattern ; do mv $i other/dir ; done
18:31<chris_se>(replace pattern with the pattern)
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18:31<Neytiri>ok thanyou
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18:33<chris_se>https://paste.debian.net/414919/ untested, but should be equivalent to what you _want_ to do
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18:34<chris_se>(note that ifconfig doesn't show all ips that are configured that way, you need to use the command ip addr show for that)
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18:36<chris_se>(the paste was meant for Neytiri, for the avoidance of doubt)
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18:37<chris_se>argh sorry, mixed up, I meant yuicat
18:37<Neytiri>wwas gonna say
18:38<yuicat>chris_se: Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it
18:38<Neytiri>i ran into a isuue it grabed some files i didnt want
18:38<Neytiri>the files i want don't have spaces around the first -
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18:39<Neytiri>and donest have spaces untill the start of hte second hyphen
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18:39<chris_se>well, now that they're moved, it's best to move them back
18:39<chris_se>so mv other/directory/*" - "*" - "*" - "*.zip previous/directory
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18:40<chris_se>(that will match those that have spaces around the first hyphen)
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18:40<Neytiri>it only moves 3 file but i tested with a smaller batch fiest, but how do i keep it from copying more of the one si dont wnat
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18:41<Neytiri>AKC001-05 - Swift, Taylor - Picture To Burn.zip ASK1524-08 - Chapin, Harry - Cat's In The Cradle.zip
18:41<Neytiri>All-American Rejects - My Paper Heart - THR0403_17.zip ASK1524-09 - Croce, Jim - Bad Bad Leroy Brown.zip
18:41<Neytiri>All-American Rejects - Swing, Swing - THR0304_17.zip ASK1524-10 - Mellencamp, John - Jack And Diane.zip
18:41<Neytiri>American Hi-Fi - Art Of Losing, The - THR0304_15.zip
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18:41<chris_se>for the future, if you want to match files that don't have spaces around the first hyphen: mv *[!\ ]-[!\ ]*" - "*" - "*.zip other/directory
18:41<Neytiri>ok
18:42<chris_se>however, note that in your example, "All-American Rejects" also has a hyphen in the name
18:42<Neytiri>yes but it has a space that isnt directly before a second hyphen
18:42<chris_se>you can't match that with the shell
18:43<Neytiri>oh
18:43<chris_se>so there's no way to match "any number of characters of a certain type"
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18:43<Neytiri>well looks like i ma in for a long night of renaming
18:43<chris_se>well, you can if you use bash
18:43<chris_se>and enable an extension
18:43<Taj2>02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe [14e4:1692] (rev 01)
18:43<Taj2>and surprisingly it works now #
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18:44<Neytiri>how would i do that
18:45<chris_se>mv *([!\ ])-*([!\ ])" - "*" - "*.zip other/directory
18:45<chris_se>but you need bash AND you need to make sure the extglob shell option is enabled
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18:45<Neytiri>i use bash as my default shell and how do i check if extglob is enabled
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18:47<chris_se>shopt extglob
18:47<chris_se>you can turn it on in your current shell (will not be saved for future shells) via shopt -s extglob
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18:49<alejandro>hola
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18:53<Sloyment>I have a problem with sound. I just installed Debian Jessie, and I could not install gnome-alsamixer, because in Jessie, this package does not exist anymore. :-(
18:53<chris_se>Neytiri, although, just note that if the second part may contain a space, you might want to use *([!\ ])-*[!\ ]*" - "*" - "*.zip instead
18:54<Neytiri>last quesetion (i hope) how do i rename multiple files at once and remove doubble spaces and replace it with a single space
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18:54<chris_se>that's non-trivial
18:54<Neytiri>thankyou
18:54<chris_se>well, if you're using bash anyway:
18:56<Sloyment>That means: I cannot control sound volume.
18:56<ryouma>Neytiri: one problem is collisions
18:57<ryouma>Neytiri: especially if you are editing path components
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18:57<Neytiri>just renaming files
18:58<chris_se>for i in * ; do mv -i "${i}" "$(echo $i)" ; done
18:59<chris_se>that will collapse multiple spaces into just a single space everywhere it occurs (the way it works is a bit complicated though)
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18:59<chris_se>the -i flag for mv is btw. just to make sure you don't accidentally overwrite existing files
18:59<ryouma>e.g. this but ignore the \ find . -type d -name *stuff \ -exec bash -c \ 'for arg do new="$(echo "$arg" | sed -re s/stuff$//)" # echo $new [[ -e "$new" ]] && echo exists "$new" [[ -e "$new" ]] || echo mv "$arg" "$new" done' dummy {} +
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19:00<ryouma>there might be dirs with same name
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19:00<ryouma>there's also a program called rename but it is not clear if it handles collisions
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19:01<ryouma>one option is to do a recursive ls -l, run dired-virtual in emacs, then do wdired, then query replace, then it will tell you if there are collisions
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19:09<Neytiri>so i am getting file si still dont want like BCD322-1-33 - BLAH
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19:12<Neytiri>would this exclude those *([!\ ])-*[!\ ][!-]*" - "*" - "*.zip
19:12<chris_se>no, tyhat wouldn't help
19:13<chris_se>*([!\ ])-*[!\ ]*([!-])" - "*" - "*.zip
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19:14<chris_se>no wait
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19:15<chris_se>*([!\ ])-[!\ ]*([!-])" - "*" - "*.zip
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19:16<chris_se>that would be: any number of characters that aren't a space, followed by a hyphen, followed by a single character that's not a space, followed by any number of characters that aren't hyphens, followed by space, hyphen, space, followed by any number of arbitrary characters, followed by space, hyphen, space, followed by any number of arbitrary characters, followed by dot, z, i, p
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19:26<Neytiri>ok
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19:28<Neytiri>Cbep459-4-16 - Benton, Brook - Kiddio.zip still got though
19:29<chris_se>ah
19:29<shawn>is there a version of the debian installer that would be easy to kexec to?
19:29<chris_se>you need:
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19:29<chris_se>*([!\ -])-[!\ ]*([!-])" - "*" - "*.zip
19:30<chris_se>you want to exclude hyphens in the first part
19:30<shawn>miniboot.iso, netboot.tar.gz,
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19:30<shawn>s/miniboot/mini
19:31<Neytiri>thanks
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19:48<Neytiri>something not right *([!\ ])-[!\ ]*([!-])" - "*" - "*.zip copied Cbep478-4-16 - Hoppers - Marriage Supper Of The Lamb.zip but not Cb5070-1-05 - Keith, Toby - Get Drunk And Be Somebody.zip
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19:52<chris_se>so at some point it's easier to just do a pattern to catch most of all and then do the rest manually - imho
19:52<chris_se>so if you get 99% and have to do 1% manually, that's probably less time than finding a perfect pattern for this
19:52<chris_se>you do only need this once, right?
19:52<shawn>halp
19:52<Neytiri>i hope only once
19:53<Neytiri>but i dont see anythign different between the 2 file names
19:53<Neytiri>i even ttried *([!\ ])-[!\ ]*([!-])" -"*.zip
19:53<Neytiri>and the second one copied the first didnt (got it mixed up)
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19:54<chris_se>sorry, I'm a bit tired, I don't see it either...
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19:55<shawn>Neytiri: thats a very elaborate smiley
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19:57<slivadrip>hi
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19:57<Neytiri>now i feel stupid it was working my ls C* went into a directory i made called C--
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19:58<Neytiri>now did we ever find a way to remove the second hyphen only from something liek this Cbep478-1-15 -
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20:00<shawn>there is a #bash channel on freenode that is nice for questions like this
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20:00<Neytiri>thats for the tip ill pop over there and ask
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20:35<D->Hello. Lacking an IRC dedicated to it, this seems the best place to ask about the error I'm getting with Unar. When I try running 'unar archive' on any file it reports 'opening file failed'.
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20:48<shawn>D- try running a strace
20:48<shawn>strace unar archive
20:49<shawn>check permissions
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20:51<D->http://pastebin.com/zxhkqJLQ Not sure how to check permissions for a command.
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20:53<shawn>D- oh you're using the command wrong
20:54<D->Usage: unar [options] archive [files ...]
20:55<shawn>files are files inside the archive
20:55<shawn>archive is path to the archive
20:55<shawn>use unzip instead, tho
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20:56<shawn>it's easier
20:56<D->That was literally the first thing I tried doing. Doing it again, now it works.
20:56<shawn>unzip file.zip -d destination_folder
20:56<D->Also I'm using unar for rars but was using it on a zip for demonstration as file-roller gui does work for zip files.
20:56<D->I can't get it to recognize unar for opening rars, though.
20:57<shawn>install p7zip-rar, it will make it so most things work in file-roller
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20:59<D->So file-roller will never call to unar for file decompression.
21:00<shawn>i *know* file-roller uses p7zip-rar, it's not included by default in debian because it contains non-free software.
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21:00<D->Of course. All unrar stuff is discluded because rar is inherently nonfree.
21:01<shawn>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/File%20Roller
21:02<chris_se>well, you _could_ write a free compressor/decompressor, but nobody in the free software community cares, because there are plenty of archive formats that work with free software - and even the non-free unrar comes with source (though you're not allowed to modify it) for those who really need to access old archives
21:02<shawn>this should mostly apply to debian, apparently gets free rar unarchiving via https://packages.debian.org/jessie/unrar-free
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21:02<chris_se>oh, I stand corrected
21:03<shawn>file-roller uses that as an alternative to the non-free rar backends, but only for decompression
21:03<shawn>i've never tried it.
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21:55<shawn>hmm, is it possible to do a "-t jessie-backports" install of a package from synaptic? it always refuses to install because it's not smart enough to get the dependencies from jessie-backports too
21:57<sney>"not smart enough" is pretty much the name of the game for synaptic. it might be possible or it might just try to upgrade everything to -backports
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22:04<shawn>what about aptitude?
22:04<abrotman>yes, that will do it correctly
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22:50<shawn>aptitude TUI does even less it seems
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23:02<alumno>hola
23:02<alumno>q onda
23:02<danielsh>!es
23:02<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
23:02<alumno>hola
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23:03<alumno>hay alguien
23:03<alumno>q hable
23:03<sney>danielsh: better to just let them quit on their own. the language in the es factoid is right, but these kids don't get about half of it says
23:04<alumno>YOU NAE
23:04<alumno>YOU NAME
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23:05<danielsh>sney, *nod*. IME that factoid usually gets the job done, though.
23:05<danielsh>(Not that I'm on this channel very often..)
23:05<sney>for any spanish speakers who actually need help with debian, yes it does. for some 12-year-old alumno using hexchat for the first time, it goes right over their heads
23:06<sney>we used to have a separate factoid for the kids but ultimately the best approach is just to ignore them
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23:12<danielsh>I didn't realize the distinction between the two class of spanish speakers.
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23:13<danielsh>sney, may I pm you?
23:13<sney>for?
23:14<danielsh>I've got a tool that regulars on support channels might find useful
23:14<danielsh>didn't want to just name it on-channel to avoid self-advertising
23:14<sney>link it in #debian-offtopic but I'm going afk in seconds
23:14<danielsh>cheers
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