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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-03-16

---Logopened Wed Mar 16 00:00:14 2016
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00:00<oem>somiaj: it appears that i never get a ping from it due to networking failing. but if you look at the rc.local script you can also see it had a DEBUG_END line but it _never_ made it to the /root/debug.log (rc.local was set to output there) - this means that script exec failed somehow half way
00:01<oem>somiaj: once it failed i decided to see what might have gone wrong and edited rc.local for some debug helpers, the output went into /root/debug.log
00:02<oem>somiaj:
00:02<oem>70-persistent-net.rules
00:02<somiaj>well the only thing that isn't run is the last date and echo, so the ssh is erroring out.
00:02<oem>doesn't exist
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00:02<somiaj>hmm, that is strange, that rule should be created when new interfaces are detected. Wonder if this means the machine isn't detecting any interfaces
00:03<oem>somiaj: yes, but any idea why isn't it run?
00:03<oem>somiaj: because it wasn't affiliated with the ssh line, normal execution should have went on, no?
00:03<oem>somiaj: or you think it's because of RETVAL?
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00:04<oem>somiaj: i'm currently in RESCUE mode. mounted the partition on /mnt
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00:04<somiaj>unsure, but if you are making it that far though the script it is the script itself that is at issue. rc.local is the last thing run
00:04<oem>somiaj: /mnt/etc/udev/rules.d
00:04<oem>somiaj: the only thing here is a single "README" file
00:04<somiaj>udev by default should create that file when it detects an interface
00:04<oem>somiaj: yeah, i'm runlevel 5
00:04<somiaj>this means the kernel of the machine is not detecting any interfaces
00:05<somiaj>runlevel 5? using sysvinit?
00:05<oem>somiaj: could it mean udev might be not starting as well?
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00:05<somiaj>I guess it could be no udev, but then you would probabaly have more issues.
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00:06<oem>somiaj: this is already on systemd
00:06<Guest7988>the man has the answer, what 'movie' is this
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00:08<oem>somiaj: http://pastebin.com/raw/WUxRcmtx
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00:09<oem>this is, again, the content of syslog
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00:10<Guest7988>the movie here is mockingjay but the right is hungergames
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00:11<somiaj>oem: you have your answer. Unsure the best way to debug why udev is failing to start in your vm.
00:12<oem>somiaj: the thing is, it's rather weird the 70-persistent-net.rules is not there though
00:13<somiaj>that is because udev is failing
00:13<somiaj>you'll have to track down why
00:13<oem>somiaj: i looked at the timestamp of that file on my armhf - last modified date was 2014
00:14<oem>somiaj: meaning, it was created long before and never modified since. question is why would that file get deleted
00:14<oem>somiaj: on that remote system
00:15<oem>somiaj:
00:15<oem>Mar 15 17:17:42 reich systemd[1]: rc-local.service: Control process exited, code=exited status=255
00:15<oem>I believe this is what happened to rc.local, right..
00:17<Guest7988>i snort, what happened?
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00:19<svetlana>Guest7988: fwiw your commentary makes it a lot harder to read the chat. I don't know US culture and I don't need to know it.
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00:22<oem>svetlana: any reason choosing a russian/slav female nickname?
00:22<svetlana>oem: it is my name.
00:23<oem>svetlana: the rant about the anti-US culture was a little weird though
00:23<Guest7988>i suppose here is channel for hard questions
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00:24<Guest7988>kind of if s easy go google
00:24<svetlana>oem: I find it hard to read when their cultural reference are thrown into the chat, doctor who and all that. I try to avoid any (unexplained) cultural references entirely. I don't mind them if they're relevant to a discussion and explained.
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00:24<svetlana>Guest7988: I ask easy question sometimes too when my vocabulary is not enough for a proper web search.
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00:26<oem>svetlana: I usually just google if in doubt (of 'unexplained' / 'unknown' cultural references) and don't make it a thing
00:26<oem>svetlana: but that's me
00:27<svetlana>oem: oh I was in a challenging environment so I mostly avoided new things. I no longer do, but I think that learning/being curious about holywood is one of the things that'll take a much longer time.
00:28<svetlana>oem: I'm still not sure I want to know what `the man has the answer, what 'movie' is this` means. It's an international channel so I think the burden of explaining is not on me.
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00:28<oem>svetlana: the journey starts at the double l :)
00:28<svetlana>oem: trying to read your issue, but I don't know where to start.
00:29<svetlana>idk what that means.
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00:29<svetlana>I have a lot of questions about it, like why does rc and systemd coexist.
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00:30<Guest7988>u r the best
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00:33<oem>svetlana: they don't, frankly, it's systemd
00:34<oem>svetlana: any others?
00:35<Guest7988>in debian there are whatchdogs process
00:35<Guest7988>the redhat centos line have a lot of process, i forgot the name
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00:36<Guest7988>they do not exist in debian
00:36<Guest7988>they are many
00:36<Guest7988>supposed to be usefull
00:36<Guest7988>deal with request, dont remember
00:36<Guest7988>i mean
00:37<Guest7988>the kernel of both are deviating
00:37<Guest7988>they are becoming very different i guess
00:38<Juest>noob
00:38<Guest7988>but ubuntu
00:38<themill>Guest7988: you've been asked a couple of times to move on -- this channel is for debian user support
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00:39<Guest7988>Juest: noob? thanks. a long jorny start with a first step.
00:39<svetlana>where are you from, maybe use a debian channel in your language
00:39<Juest>ay lmao
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00:39<Juest>themill: he should get banned.
00:40<svetlana>you ask this in #debian-ops not here, too hostile to say it here
00:40<Juest>duh
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00:41<svetlana>for one, I would rather 'he should stay here and talk about debian' is my preferred option :)
00:42<anes>svetlana: Do you know how to download a git file in debian?
00:42<svetlana>clone
00:42<Juest>anes: install git then git clone
00:42<Juest>man git
00:44<svetlana>for example `git clone irc.server.localhost.ssl_verify'
00:44<svetlana>er
00:44<svetlana>`git clone git://anonscm.debian.org/3dprinter/3dprinter.git` even
00:44*svetlana fail clipboard
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00:44<Juest>lol
00:44<anes>Juest,svetlana: is this right : git clone https://anonscm.debian.org/collab-maint/publican.git
00:44<svetlana>yes
00:44<anes>but not working
00:44<anonymous>Hello, can anyone help me shut down an child pornography website within my town.
00:44<svetlana>anes: what does it say?
00:45<Juest>anes: Yes, for further help please review man git
00:45<svetlana>anes: (copy/paste the error here)
00:45<Juest>anonymous: No, you should contact your police department
00:45<anonymous>Okayy,y I alreadyy have.
00:45<Juest>anonymous: you came to the wrong chat room
00:45<anonymous>Thank yoyu. :)
00:45<anes>svetlana: Cloning into 'publican'...
00:45<anes>fatal: repository 'https://anonscm.debian.org/collab-maint/publican.git/' not found
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00:46<svetlana>anes: I think they moved it somewhere else. In a web browser this URL also gives 404.
00:46<anes>svetlana: i am referring this url for updating a deb : https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/15/howto-to-rebuild-debian-packages/
00:46<anes>svetlana: You have idea about how to update deb?
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00:46<Guest7988>all funny
00:48<svetlana>anes: they are working on the `publican` package in their example. Its metadata is out of date (I'll file a bug about this in a minute) but you can follow their example, replacing `publican' with another package name.
00:48<Juest>:o
00:49<anes>svetlana: do you can suggest an alternative package then?
00:49<anes>with 3 types of files
00:49<anes>.dsc,.tar.gz, debian.tar.gz
00:49<Juest>Guest7988: now you're trolling.
00:50<svetlana>Juest: wrong channel
00:50<svetlana>anes: hold on
00:50<anes>sure
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00:51<Guest7988>Juest:not in my contient mind, perhaps incontious
00:51<themill>Guest7988: enough, thanks.
00:51<svetlana>anes: try `ncdu' and see if it has the files you are looking after
00:53<themill>btw "debcheckout publican" works. (git clone git://anonscm.debian.org/collab-maint/publican.git)
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00:53<svetlana>anes: btw, the new URL is here: git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/publican.git
00:54<themill>that's an odd URL for a debian package (it's not)
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00:57<teatime>grokking font rendering (and the configuration thereof) on *nix is.. beyond me.
00:59<Guest7988>do you have statistics of : solving problems per day and stuff?
00:59<Guest7988>user approved
00:59<Guest7988>soory for the question
01:00<Guest7988>it was 1 O
01:00<Juest>._.
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01:00<Juest>Why are you still persisting ?
01:00<Guest7988>to improve
01:00<Juest>you are wasting your time
01:01<Guest7988>sad
01:02<Guest7988>how can u manage without feedback?
01:02<Guest7988>approvl
01:03<Guest7988>is taht a closed private club?
01:03<Guest7988>only friends of jonh doe can enter?
01:03<Guest7988>irc is old tech
01:04<Guest7988>but can be
01:04<Guest7988>more
01:05<Guest7988>take the credits
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01:05<Guest7988>and do more
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01:05<Juest>please /part mr troll
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01:06*Juest is annoyed
01:06<jmcnaught>Juest: your IRC client probably has an /IGNORE feature if someone is bothering you.
01:07<Juest>jmcnaught: no thanks, i do not use such feature because im allowing the ignored person to become a "invisible man" and its actually a bad effect mind you
01:07<Guest7988>management
01:08<Guest7988>how many people i helped today?
01:08<Guest7988>ju
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01:08<themill>Guest7988: that's more than enough
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01:10<Juest>thank you.
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01:13<jmcnaught>oem: hey i noticed earlier you were talking about 70-persistent-net.rules was missing on your system. Take a look at /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules, it checks for a bunch of MAC address patterns from hypervisors and prevents the rules from being generated, so it seems this feature is disabled for VMs. Not sure if this was your issue, the channel's been a little tough to follow tonight :)
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01:14<anes>svetlana: I am trying the URL you provided : git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/publican.git
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01:15<themill>anes: that's not the debian package
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01:16<anes>themill: I need publican_2.1-2.debian.tar.gz, publican_2.1.orig.tar.gz and publican_2.1-2.dsc
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01:16<anes>themill: its for study how to create a .deb file , my purpose is to apply for same in my case
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01:23<jmcnaught>anes: have you tried doing "apt-get source" for any package? jessie a newer publican, but you can get those files with that command. If you need those specific files, here are the ones from squeeze: http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/publican/
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01:28<anes>jmcnaught: Your list is excellent , Thanks
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01:28<svetlana>anes: it should work
01:28<svetlana>anes: is it any good?
01:29<anes>svetlana: yes his listing give all files needed
01:29<svetlana>jmcnaught: apt-get source for that package is out of date. I'm filing a bug as soon as I get working mail
01:29<svetlana>(the url is out of date; the source itself isn't)
01:29<anes>may I check and try .... I will ping if any problem lol :)
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01:32<jmcnaught>svetlana: what's going on with your mail?
01:32<Juest>i think his smtp is broken
01:32<Juest>her*
01:32<svetlana>i don't know yet; i'm in the middle of fixing bug in a program i wrote 4 years ago
01:33<Juest>:(
01:33<svetlana>and i think my mail is working, but reportbug doesn't send it in a deliverable way, so i should get a 'message returned to sender' message back with more details soon
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01:40<anes>svetlana : 4. Build the package of https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/15/howto-to-rebuild-debian-packages/ is confusing
01:40<anes>i download all packages as suggest
01:40<svetlana>fwiw there is #debian-mentors channel here which has a bunch of people who type this stuff a few times every day
01:40*svetlana looks
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01:41<anes>svetlana: ok may i ask there?
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01:43<svetlana>yes, please
01:44<anes>i am there , but no reply :(
01:45<Juest>just wait, let the irc flow lol
01:45<Juest>they're probably asleep anes
01:46<anes>hmmm
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02:01<storge>svetlana: are you op in this channel too?
02:01<svetlana>no
02:01<storge>phew
02:01<svetlana>I suck at packaging things so I'm not sure why I'm an op anywhere at all :)
02:01<storge>...
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03:19<seneka>somiaj, http://i.imgur.com/wv5nPgI.png and http://i.imgur.com/UHwSj1i.png - ssd is work, GRUB directory on it. but not starting when try to load from ssd.
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04:11<seneka>somiaj, are you here?
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04:18<seneka>limit of users?
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04:18<seneka>why so many users joined?
04:19<Juest>seneka: antispam measure
04:19<Juest>idlers, people interested in helping.
04:19<seneka>if i unjoin and some others join to limit, can i join?
04:23<Juest>seneka: The limit exists as a antispam measure.
04:23<Juest>717/731 users right now
04:24<Juest>the bot controls limit based on the amount of people currently joined
04:24<Juest>it leaves space so legitimate people join
04:24<Juest>its designed so a join spam is kinda prevented
04:26<seneka>if spam is randomtext and multicanal?
04:27<Juest>Please research :)
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04:29<seneka>i cant. i nooblo
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04:31<oem>hablo de nooblo
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04:35<Juest>stabyourself
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04:47<oem>cgmanager: Invalid path /run/cgmanager/fs/none,name=systemd//system.slice/systemd-udevd.service/system.slice/systemd-udevd.service (No such file or directory)
04:47<oem>what the hell is this error
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04:49<oem>http://pastebin.com/raw/6ra1v06C
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10:12<christian_> i have added something that can allow me to download but after update my computer i can not do download with the same thing what can be that problem is because of updating or what?
10:13<mtn>christian_: what does "something" mean?
10:13<mtn>christian_: and which version of debian?
10:14<christian_>addons Débian8
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10:14<grimm26>anyone else notice that http://archive.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/Release is expired?
10:15<mtn>christian_: is the program name "addons"?
10:15<grimm26>or am I the only sad MF still using squeeze? :)
10:16<OdyX>!squeeze
10:16<dpkg>Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06 and is the oldoldstable release: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Security support for Squeeze ended on 2014-05-31, but ask me about <squeeze-lts>. Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze ; ask me about <install squeeze> <squeeze release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.10>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
10:16<OdyX>grimm26: squeeze-LTS is archived now, and it's normal that the signature is expired.
10:17<grimm26>ah
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10:17<christian_>it is youtube enhance plus that i have installed
10:18<grimm26>is that what causes the "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" from apt?
10:19<OdyX>yes
10:19<OdyX>you should really upgrade to jessie now
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10:20<grimm26>yeah, no kidding
10:21<grimm26>I'm kicking people off of squeeze as fast as I can
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10:29<retroj>hello. how can i configure debian to enable the wifi at bootup, rather than on its first use? i have a debian system that will be a server over wifi.
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11:52<kororopoop>Hello?
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11:54<grove>!ask
11:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:56<StubbornOX>I am new to debian and need some help installing. I get to the spot where it partitions drives and it will not see my drives. I have tried several settings in the bios but it still doesnt work
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11:57<sney>StubbornOX: do your drives show up e.g. in the bios boot menu? what kind of drives are they and what connection?
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11:59<StubbornOX>i originally set it to raid 5 and the raid controller saw them. I then disabled the raid and just used Sata connections. The bios does in fact see the drives
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11:59<StubbornOX>The motherboard is supermicro x8sti-3f
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12:01<sney>hmm, sas1068e, should be no problem
12:01<grove>Could it be that your BIOS/raid controller doesn't expose the discs if they are not part of an array?
12:02<sney>that controller usually has a JBOD mode
12:02<StubbornOX>I have tried every possible setting in the bois with and without raid and nothing
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12:02<grove>"usually" being a key word in that sentence, I have heard of RAID-controllers that didn't
12:03<sney>well sure but that lsi controller is a common one in the industry, I have a few of them in production. supermicro would be the last vendor I'd expect to lock out JBOD in the firmware.
12:03<StubbornOX>this is a link to the site of what OS the MOBO supports
12:03<StubbornOX>http://www.supermicro.com/support/resources/OS/X58.cfm
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12:05<sney>oh wait I guess the sata controller is an intel one, not the lsi, though that should make support even easier :/
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12:05<StubbornOX>it is LSi
12:06<sney>supermicro's page for the motherboard lists both, so you're sure you have the drives connected to the lsi controller? maybe try them connected to the intel one instead?
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12:08<StubbornOX>The controller is this Ibutton thing. There are SATA ports and SAS ports on the MOBO. The SAS ports are for the raid controller. I have tried both
12:09<sney>hrm
12:09<StubbornOX>but even a single drive in the SATA port will not be detected
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12:10<sney>I'm trying to google whether the mpt2/3sas driver needs non-free firmware and the kinds of things people discuss about lsi boards makes this impossible,
12:11<sney>so this is basically a wild guess, but maybe try the installer that includes extra driver firmware.
12:11<sney>!firmwar image
12:11<sney>!firmware image
12:11<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
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12:13<StubbornOX>So can I run it in raid or do I have to do Sata
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12:14<StubbornOX>also there is no file in that link
12:15<sney>once the controller is detected you can do either, though the 1068E doesn't have any true hardware raid features so I wouldn't bother with using the motherboard raid and use zfs or md instead
12:15<sney>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ more specific link
12:16<StubbornOX>got the link thanks
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12:17<StubbornOX>ok I am not familiar with ZFS or MD
12:18<sney>md is linux software raid. it's just as capable as basic motherboard raid (since those are mostly in software as well), with the advantage that the array can be moved to any linux system.
12:19<StubbornOX>ok that makes sense.
12:19<sney>zfs is a more advanced technology, unfortunately not supported as the root filesystem for debian at this time due to license issues, but very very good otherwise. it's not officially supported here, but there are a lot of other resources
12:19<sney>!zfs
12:19<dpkg>ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (http://deb.li/7xXU). The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, the userland utilities are packaged as zfsutils. Native linux support is described and packaged at zfsonlinux.org but cannot be included in Debian due to license conflicts.
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12:20<MWelchUK>StubbornOX: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_setup
12:20<MWelchUK>Think that was the guide I looked at last time I setup raid.
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12:22<StubbornOX>!sney thanks for the help I will try it out when it finishes downloading
12:22<sney>np and no guarantees just a guess
12:22<sney>if it still doesn't work I might have other ideas
12:22<StubbornOX>hey, the worst i can do is try
12:22<sney>word
12:22<StubbornOX>How do I contact you later on?
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12:24<sney>I'll just be here, probably. and there are lots of others who can help
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12:25<StubbornOX>ok thanks, gotta go for now, hopefully I wont have to come back. LOL
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13:31<blawiz>anyone can recommend a small ultrabook with long battery time for deb/linux
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13:38<sney>maybe thinkpad X series?
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13:40<blawiz>hmm lenovo has spyware in bios? >:/
13:40<blawiz>ive kinda black listed them in my mind
13:40<blawiz>but i dunno, maybe im too nazi
13:40<sney>I thought that was gone once they got busted doing it. oh well
13:41<blawiz>i dunno, trust is gone ;P
13:44<sney>anyway, just avoid optimus graphics, and try to stick with intel or atheros for wifi, and you should be ok
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13:46<blawiz>... i was in here yesterday with atheros wifi problems ;)
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13:47<sney>was the problem just "you need firmware"? historically intel and atheros make the good wifi nics, and broadcom/ralink/realtek are crap (except for broadcom's server-class stuff, I guess)
13:47<sney>but nobody's infallible I guess
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13:49<blawiz>i guess
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15:01<sney>StubbornOX: you can just ask things in the channel, it's better than hoping one person will be here
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15:22<CQ>hello, I'm trying to install debian on a Samsung ativ 500T (Atom Z2760 CPU) ... do I need i386 or ARM distro? I need UEFI boot... is that a problem? The ativ doesn't install boot non-uefi apparently
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15:26<sney>CQ: atom is x86, current debian installers support uefi
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15:27<CQ>sney so the i386 image is what I need... is the USB stick going to be GPT?
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15:29<sney>CQ: I'm not sure if the usb stick itself has a gpt partition table, but it is able to boot from a uefi-only system and it can create a gpt disklabel for the system disk, etc
15:30<CQ>http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/threads/boot-from-usb-500t.53946/ ...booting from USB seems to be a problem with the device...
15:32<CQ>Stuff like " I can confirm that I successfully booted from a Windows 8 install CD. Was not able to boot from anything else. " ...
15:32<sney>if you can make it boot from usb, then the debian installer should be fine. if not, then I don't know what to tell you. maybe it can boot from the microsd slot?
15:32<CQ>I have the UEFI security turned off in the BIOS already
15:33<CQ>sney: the problem probably isn't the USB, it's the boot media itself
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15:34<sney>I wonder if you could reverse-engineer the win8 iso to chainload grub instead.
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15:35<sney>if some other user was only able to boot that but nothing else, maybe there is some signature matching thing happening that samsung won't let you disable
15:36<CQ>I'm using rufis to write a GPT table-USB Stick with debian i386 iso... let's see what happens
15:36<CQ>https://rufus.akeo.ie/ rufus
15:38<sney>rufus is not officially supported for that because it unpacks the iso as if it were a cd image, but the debian iso is already a hybrid image, so this can have weird results. it's the same reason unetbootin is not supported
15:38<CQ>with ubuntu this is a possible solution: https://github.com/lopaka/instructions/blob/master/ubuntu-14.10-install-asus-x205ta.md
15:38<sney>https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ this is recommended
15:38<sney>ubuntu is different.
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15:39<sney>it may work with rufus, but imo that's just another possible point of failure, when we know win32diskimager does it properly
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15:40<CQ>ok, just finished the stick, I'll try it as is, then rewrite eith win32diskmanager
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15:41<CQ>ok, loads the grub menu, then freezes when loading the installer
15:42<sney>rewrite
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15:44<sleser>hi does anyone know how i can get wrid of ocsp.comodoca.com from iceweasel or debian system at all
15:45<CQ>writing. Weird, it wants *img or *.* files in the file dialog...
15:46<CQ>let's see what it does with the ISO
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15:47<chris_se>sleser, why do you want to get rid of it? (and what do you mean "get rid of"?)
15:47<chris_se>do you know what OCSP is?
15:47<sleser>no
15:47<CQ>sney: same behavior, same problem...
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15:47<sleser>as soon as i open iceweasel with no homepage . iftop will show me ocsp.comodoca.com
15:47<sney>CQ: how long did you wait? on some systems it takes a while to get past the first menu
15:48<sleser>but im not c onecting anywhere yet
15:48<sleser>so what is hapening ? why am i seeing it
15:48<chris_se>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCSP
15:48<chris_se>so basically OCSP is a protocol that let's browsers determine whether SSL certificates are still valid
15:48<chris_se>(and were not revoked)
15:48<sleser>do i have to worry about this ?
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15:50<CQ>sney: trying again, the USB stick is not blinking though, so nothing seems to be happening
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15:50<chris_se>well, it's not immediately clear to me why it wants to connect to Comodo (which is a well-known CA) - presumably it tries to connect to some website that uses SSL/TLS and has a certificate by Comodo and then tries to verify that certificate
15:50<CQ>I get the feeling that it wants to boot a signed image or something like that
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15:51<chris_se>so OCSP has some trade-offs: since browser connect to CAs to verify OCSP responses, CA servers could in principle track users to some extent at least (although OCSP is cached for a couple of days)
15:52<sleser>id like to remove it
15:52<chris_se>the trade-off is that if a certificate is revoked, without OCSP you don't get to find that out without OCSP, so if a server is hacked and the SSL/TLS private key leaked, without OCSP you'll be susceptible to impersonation attacks
15:52<sleser>i dont need any providers help on this
15:52<chris_se>OTOH, if somebody is doing man in the middle, they might simple suppress OCSP (which is soft-fail by default), so against a sophisticated attacker that doesn't help
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15:53<chris_se>don't know if the instructions are still valid, but: https://connectionfailure.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/switching-off-ocsp-in-firefox/
15:53<sleser>google peoples advices is to remove it completely . so is why im conserned too
15:53<chris_se>in my personal opinion one should use OCSP stapling: server staples an OCSP response to the certificate, so the client doesn't have to connect to the OCSP server
15:53<chris_se>=> no privacy breach, and the OCSP response can be cached on the server side
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15:54<sleser>sounds like complicated stuff to understand for . a person who dont understand all thouse things
15:54<chris_se>that works automatically if the server admin has configured it (and also works if the browser has "normal" OCSP disabled) - but unfortunately only a fraction of servers do OCSP stapling...
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15:55<chris_se>in an ideal world browsers would not connect without OCSP stapling, but not do OCSP themselves... but we're unfortunately far off from that
15:56<sleser>does your iceweasel show ocsp.comodoca.com on iftop when if you just open it and havent pute a homepage on iceweasel
15:56<sleser>without connecting anywhere or brousing anywhere yet
15:56<chris_se>and there is a good argument to be made that privacy leaks to CAs is a much bigger issue than SSL/TLS impersonation with stolen keys (which is _very_ rare), so there is validity of disabling "normal" non-stapled OCSP in browsers
15:56<chris_se>I can check
15:57<sleser>yeh chek please
15:57<chris_se>note that firefox/iceweasel will not do OCSP by default without connecting to a website
15:57<sleser>w4.hackademix.net also
15:57<chris_se>so it should not only connect to ocsp.comodoca.com, but also to some website
15:57<sleser>mine is doing it without connecting anywhere yet
15:58<chris_se>so it does also on my system
15:59<sleser>safe or not ?
15:59<chris_se>curious
15:59<sleser>me too . but im not in to computers
15:59<sleser>so confused
15:59<sleser>wats the catch
15:59<chris_se>the comodoca: that's a trade-off between privacy in the common case and security in the rare case
16:00<sleser>google shows they colect info to sell it
16:00<sleser>and basicaly alot of bad things it can do
16:00<chris_se>so if you disable OCSP (see the link I posted earlier), you'll have better privacy, but you trade that against potential security issues in _extremely_ rare circumstances
16:00<chris_se>(i.e. if somebody hacks the server of something you want to connect to, steals a key, they could potentially impersonate that server without you knowing it)
16:01<sleser>nobody can hack a server without knowing a pw . as big as a sentense with 10 words
16:01<sleser>gold or money isnt stored in a server .
16:01<chris_se>(OTOH, SSL/TLS man-in-the-middle is still quite rare, unless you're running some spyware software on your own machine...)
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16:02<sleser>i run noscript on brouser and on debian i have clamtk instaled
16:02<sleser>thats basicaly it
16:03<sleser>well in ur case you said that your iftop shows the same thing
16:03<chris_se>well, some servers can indeed be hacked - why do you think credit card details of online shops get stolen quite often? on the other hand, that information is typically more valuable than SSL/TLS private keys of these shops to the attackers, so you can make a good argument that the privacy concerns related to OCSP outweigh the potential problem of not detecting a revoked certificate
16:03<chris_se>sleser, my guess is that some other request iceweasel makes in the beginning triggers that OCSP query
16:03<sleser>clickjacking can steel a cc
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16:04<sleser>not a long sentens to my linux desktop
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16:04<sleser>should i resset my iceweasel ?
16:05<chris_se>ok, so I found out what is going on
16:05<sleser>grate id like a solution
16:05<sleser>they making money on me im not geting a cut on my personal life
16:05<chris_se>you also have noscript installed (as do I), and when starting iceweasel/firefox it checks for updates. to do so it connects to https://secure.informaction.com/ (not directly, some page on that domain, the main page is apparently blank) - and to be secure it uses SSL/TLS
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16:06<sleser>so . no script is doin it ?
16:06<chris_se>(this is the w4.hackademix.net thing - reverse DNS is awful, that's why it's showing that)
16:07<chris_se>and because iceweasel has OCSP enabled by default, in then _also_ connects to ocsp.comodoca.com
16:07<chris_se>if you disable OCSP, it will not connect to ocsp.comodoca.com anymore - but it will still look for updates of noscript (i.e. connecting to the other server)
16:07<chris_se>if you want to disable that: there's probably a setting in the noscript preferences
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16:08<sleser>worse case i dont even need no script to update it self . i can simply remove it and install a new o ne
16:09<chris_se>so if you're worried about privacy w.r.t. CAs I'd disable OCSP (because that's also used for other SSL/TLS websites)
16:09<sleser>the world is going nowhere then
16:09<chris_se>noscript checking for updates: that's up to you
16:09<sleser>should i throw my box out the window ?
16:10<chris_se>I think you should read up on what exactly all those things are before being paranoid about everything...
16:10<sleser>desktops are turning in to android devices . basicaly a tail
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16:10<sleser>tons of peeping toms around even in devices
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16:11<chris_se>not everybody is out to get you: the basic idea behind OCSP is good, the fact that some CAs might do other things with that data wasn't intentional when that standard was designed
16:11<sleser>not paranoid at all . just jelouse
16:11<sleser>some one making money on me
16:11<sleser>wheres my cut
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16:14<sleser>chris_se id like to hear ur openion or advices. leave it the way it is or do something about it ?
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16:15<Julien12150>i just come here to enjoy seing a ton of users
16:15<chris_se>if you're worried about privacy: disable OCSP, leave the rest as-is
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16:15<sleser>thanks
16:15<chris_se>if you're extremely paranoid about privacy: pull your network cable ;)
16:16<sleser>rite
16:16<chris_se>if you're not quite as worried about privacy but are more worried about SSL/TLS man in the middle attacks with stolen server private keys: leave OCSP enabled
16:16<sleser>not paranoid . its just this is something new . before thise 2 links werent there
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16:17<sleser>ok i understand you now better
16:17<sleser>id go for the privacy and . not woried about keys
16:18<sleser>there no diamonds in a box with plastic and led pute together
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16:18<sleser>thanks for your help and advice and tips and the goodies
16:19<sleser>lead even. ^
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16:22<egy>where can I find a list of all non-free packages in jessie?
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16:23<musca>egy: do you refer to installed packages or available packages?
16:23<egy>musca: available packages yes, sorry
16:23<chris_se>add non-free to your sources.list and then do aptitude search ~snon-free/.*
16:24<chris_se>(same thing for contrib btw.)
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16:24<egy>any way in just a web browser?
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16:25<chris_se>you can grep for non-free in https://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages (warning: quite large)
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16:26<chris_se>if you have a package name or at least part of a package name, next to the search box https://packages.debian.org/ you can select "non-free"
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16:26<egy>quite a big list indeed
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16:28<chris_se>if you don't want to add non-free to your normal sources.list, there's also https://packages.debian.org/stable/apt-venv to create a virtual apt environment
16:29<chris_se>there you could add non-free to the source.list of that environment and then perform the aforementioned aptitude search
16:29<egy>does http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/non-free/binary-all/ have essentially the same info as in the big html list?
16:30<chris_se>you mean Packages.gz / Packages.xz in there? yes, those are the things that APT parses
16:30<chris_se>so not only essentially, exactly the same
16:31<egy>that's perfect then
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16:31<egy>is there an explanation of the folder structure somewhere, or links to specific places? all I've seen on packages.debian.org for instance are links to packages
16:32<chris_se>oh, sorry, my bad
16:32<chris_se>binary-all is wrong, you need to get binary-$ARCH/
16:32<chris_se>so for example binary-amd64 or so
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16:34<blawiz>looks like LENOVO 100S is hard to install deb/linux on too :S
16:35<chris_se>there is an explanation probably somewhere, but I don't recall where; basically it's structured like this: /debian/ contains pool/ and dists/; pool/ contains all actual package files (irrespective of debian version sorted by package), whereas dists/ contains all the metadata; dists/jessie/Release contains the metadata for the distribution and checksums for all the packages files, dists/jessie/$SECTION/binary-$ARCH/Packages.{xz,gz} contains the
16:35<chris_se> packages for a given section/architecture
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16:35<chris_se>(not that e.g. dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz also contains arch: all packages)
16:35<chris_se>*note
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16:37<egy>ok thanks chris, it's less complicated than I thought
16:37<chris_se>btw. binary-all is _relatively_ useless, as all arch: all packages are also in binary-$ARCH (at least where they're installable)
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16:38<chris_se>so if you want to know what packages can be installed on a given architecture, just look at binary-$ARCH/ - binary-all/ might contain additional arch: all packages that aren't installable on a specific architecture
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17:46<pjotter1>Hello everyone. I have installed pavucontrol to manage the sound but when I reboot, the settings are lost. Does anyone know how I can make pavucontrol remember the settings?
17:47<somiaj>pjotter1: it should rember them automatically (there is no save option)? Sounds like pulse is not correctly saving the settings when you shutdown.
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17:48<pjotter1>somiaj: Yes, I have tried removing the ~/.pulse files and reinstalling pulseaudio to no avail. Maybe I can try to reinstall pavucontrol? See if that changes anything?
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17:48<somiaj>pjotter1: that shouldn't be the issue, the issue is with pulse not saving your settings.
17:49<somiaj>I found this http://askubuntu.com/questions/147397/pulse-audio-volume-control-forgets-settings
17:49<somiaj>"settings are saved in ~/.config/pulse and automatically restored when the daemon starts. Use the following tools to configure the daemon to your taste"
17:49<somiaj>unsure why it isn't saving. usually pulse that was not an issue
17:50<jmcnaught>pjotter1: just checking, you're running pavucontrol as your regular user, not as root right?
17:50<pjotter1>jmcnaught: correct
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18:00<pjotter1>somiaj: From that page you came up with: I added my user to the pulse groups and changed permissions on suggested folders. Let's reboot and
18:00<pjotter1>..see what happens :)
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18:04<blawiz>does any of the debian releases have kernel version 4 or above?
18:05<sney>,kernels
18:05<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.5.0-rc7-686-pae (4.5~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.4-2); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.5-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u3)
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18:08<blawiz>add ty :)
18:08<blawiz>*ahh
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18:26<pjotter1>somiaj: So far no luck in getting pavucontrol to remember settings.
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19:28<PenGui>is there a prefered method of reading from a mysql database and executing tasks that it reads and output the result from those tasks back to the databse?
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19:53<somiaj>PenGui: I would say no, there are lots of different clients and many programing langauges have libaries set up so they can be clients as well
19:53<somiaj>PenGui: so you could probabaly in many languages write a program that reads, excutes and reports back to the database.
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20:02<shawn>Oh hi
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20:32<svetlana>Hi shawn .
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20:48<Juest>lol
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21:22<pjotter1>I have a clean install of Debian 8.3 xfce. I installed pulseaudio and pavucontrol. But the settings made in pavucontrol are not remembered after reboot. Does anyone know how to make pavucontrol save the settings?
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21:23<twb>Huh, I thought that was the default
21:23<twb>It's definitely the default if you use alsa alone, instead of alsa+pulseaudio
21:24<pjotter1>It's a clean install, so I gues it's alsa+pulseaudio.
21:25<twb>I can't really help with PA except to suggest removing it
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21:27<pjotter1>twb: It must be possible since there are other debian based distro's that use pulse audio and alsa and still work.
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21:27<Juest>Maybe use --system PA ?
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21:28<pjotter1>Juest: I could try. What is --system PA?
21:28<Juest>pjotter1: pulseaudio ran with --system
21:28<Juest>its not recommended but could help
21:28<pjotter1>Juest: Ok. Where do I change that?
21:29<Juest>you run it
21:29<pjotter1>Should I first do a pulsaudio --kill?
21:29<Juest>Sorry, i dont really know. :(
21:29<Juest>fully know*
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21:31<pjotter1>Wow, that resulted in a massive amount of errors and warning. Better not go for that option :)
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21:32<Juest>lol
21:32<Juest>:(
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22:23<sefi>Hello tout le monde, j'ai un soucis avec ma debian sur xfce4 , lors du lancement de certains jeux (un jeu steam compatible linux, et un jeu blizzard en utilisant wine) , au bout de 5 minutes environ , mon écran se "déconnecte" (ça n'a pas l'air d'être une mise en veille , c'est comme si j'avais débranché mon câble VGA derrière) . Ensuite ma seule manière de récupérer un affichage...
22:23<sefi>...et de hard...
22:23<sefi>...reboot (ctrl+alt+f1) ne donne rien. Je n'ai pas plus d'information , comment en obtenir ?
22:23<sefi>merci :)
22:23<jmcnaught>!fr
22:23<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
22:23<sefi>sorry
22:24<jmcnaught>pas de soucis
22:25<jmcnaught>sefi: il y a aussi un canal français sur freenode
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22:26<sefi>jmcnaught: merci :) je vais voir ça
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