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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-03-19

---Logopened Sat Mar 19 00:00:48 2016
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00:26<valdyn>winpr provides a windows *API*. Wine provides a windows *API* too, but also a windows *ABI*.
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00:54<trump>Hey
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01:14<Tz>Hi everyone
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02:04<shawn>i'm confused about python3-flake8 package
02:04<shawn>if i pip install flake8, then i get flake8 working from the command line
02:04<shawn>but if i install flake8 from apt-get, it doesnt.
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02:04<shawn>i looked inside the package and theres no files which do anywhere in the path
02:05<shawn>s/do/go
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04:13<lancelot>Hello, any warning regarding the addition of an unofficial source list? Those listed in the wiki.
04:14<jmcnaught>any third-party source carries the risk of breaking future upgrades, but lots of people use them. which repo/wiki page do you mean?
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04:17<lancelot>discarded, i just realize chrome is only for 64 bits systems
04:18<jmcnaught>chromium is better, in the sense it's supported by Debian
04:19<lancelot>yeah, i always used it
04:19<lancelot>but i don't know if it supports everything chrome does
04:20<jmcnaught>probably not. there is a debian package to get the pepper flash plugin for chromium (and iceweasel/firefox too i think), but it would also need 64 bit
04:21<Parckwart>chrome has flash and some google nonsense
04:21<Parckwart>if you just like chrome for being fast and stable and leightweight and stuff, chromium is fine
04:22<Zycorax>I may need some help with lvm. I had `pvmove --alloc anywhere /dev/pvvolume:interval` running overnight, but there has been a crash and I'm not sure if the task has been completed successfully
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04:26<jpn1>hi
04:26<jpn1>anyonw online
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04:27<jpn1>hi
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04:30<Zycorax>hi
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05:04<awar>hi all guys
05:05<awar>we need install optimus in my jessie
05:05<awar>we try different solution but, for the moment, we haven't resul
05:05<awar>sorry my bag english
05:05<awar>bad
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05:46<oem>when you "history" and then, i.e., "!438" - it will execute the command found in history at #438.. but how do you just make it eval to that command without executing? just so that you can edit it first
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08:25<asde>hi
08:25<bsirius>hi
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08:31<asde>i use debian 8.3 64bit, i3-4170T , AMD Radeon R5 A330 DDR3, and integrated graphics intel hd4400, but the Screen has jagged. what happen ?
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08:39<blast007>asde: by 'jagged' do you mean the image is tearing?
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08:40<asde>just sawtooth, no tearing
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08:44<blast007>do you have the non-free firmware installed? https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Firmware
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08:47<asde>thank you , i will try wiki.
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09:11<awar>hi guys
09:11<awar>im still in the problem of card nvidia
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09:12<awar>but i not resolve. Please help me
09:12<awar>thanks
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09:17<marc_>something like this: https://diasp.eu/posts/4089623
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09:22<awar>im not understand why the tool nvidia-detect not found graphic card
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09:32<Number19>Hello. Is this the right place to ask questions about Graphic Drivers or is there another channel?
09:33<mtn>Number19: if it is for debian, this is the right place
09:34<Number19>So i have a problem with installing any driver for my HD 7850.
09:34<Number19>with the free ones xorg hangs and goes into D State
09:35<Number19>propieraty from the repo and from AMD Site doesn't show me the terminal
09:35<mtn>Number19: which version of debian and have you read the wiki for your graphics card?
09:35<Number19>Debian 8 and i read all the wikis i could find
09:35<Number19>wiki for my specific graphics card?
09:35<Number19>or AMD?
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09:36<mtn>Number19: I am referring to the debian wiki on graphics and your card brand
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09:36<Number19>Yes, i did
09:37<mtn>Number19: have you looked to see if anything in backports could help?
09:38<Number19>No i didn't. But from the ATIHowTo Page: i installed the firmware-linux-nonfree package and XORG stopped working(Freeze)
09:38<Number19>remove it and everything works again
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09:38<Number19>(i am kinda new to Linux)
09:38<mtn>Number19: I am no expert on amd, hopefully someone else will know something
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10:41<antony_gordon>who da fuck you is bitch
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10:55<lancelot_of>hi there
10:55<lancelot_of>any suggestion on how to use iPod nano 4th gen 16 GB on debian? I tried both gtkpod and thythmbox, but both fail working. It seems they sync music, but after unmounting the device no music is found...I fear it is not possible, I don't want to jailbreak the new device
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11:05<touchpadguy>hi there. Do you know where I can download the latests source for the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package? The packages I can get using apt-get seems to have headers only...
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11:06<chris_se>apt-get source xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
11:06<sney>^^ if that doesn't work then it will be linked somewhere on tracker.debian.org for that package
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11:08<chris_se>also, if you just want to browse: https://sources.debian.net/
11:09<touchpadguy>Thanks, I'll check both. BTW, is there a better place to ask for such things?
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11:10<chris_se>you could read the documentation ;-) but "apt-get source" still falls under "how to use debian" for me, so I guess this is the right place?
11:10<enrico_>hi
11:10<enrico_>who use backbox?
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11:19<Number19>Can someone help me with the problems i have with the AMD Drivers?
11:20<chris_se>!ask
11:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:20<Number19>Should i copy paste the question i asked 1 hour ago here again?
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11:22<chris_se>if it's not too long: yes
11:22<Number19>So i have a problem with installing any driver for my HD 7850. with the free ones xorg hangs and goes into D State. Propieraty from the repo and from AMD Site doesn't evenshow me the terminal
11:22<Number19>But from the ATIHowTo Page: i installed the firmware-linux-nonfree package and XORG stopped working(Freeze) remove it and everything works again
11:22<chris_se>D state: you mean ps output?
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11:23<Number19>if its the same as in top, yes
11:23<Number19>(Kinda new to Linux=
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11:23<devil>Number19: what is your xserver version?
11:23<chris_se>and what kernel?
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11:23<Number19>I installed Debian Jessie net inst 3 days ago
11:24<chris_se>and nothing else, no 3rd-party repositories?
11:24<Number19>currently steam
11:25<Number19>and tried the propieraty ati drivers
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11:25<Number19>X.Org X Server 1.16.4
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11:26<Number19>uname: 3.16.0-4-amd64
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11:26<blast007>enrico_: only Debian is supported here, not backbox linux
11:26<blast007>!backbox
11:26<dpkg>BackBox Linux is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>, developed to perform penetration tests and security assessments. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backbox.org/ #backbox on irc.autistici.org. See also <based on debian>.
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11:34<chris_se>Number19, so you could try a newer kernel from jessie-backports and see if that helps
11:34<chris_se>(but if you use a backported kernel, I wouldn't recommend the proprietary drivers)
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11:35<chris_se>see http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ for instructions (please read it thoroughly before using it)
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11:53<bunjee>Can anyone let me know if there is a game out there that resmbles casino, black jack or slots?
11:53<Number19>sooo same with the new kernel
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11:54<Number19>still saying that XOrg entered D State
11:54<blast007>Number19: do you have an exact error message from somewhere?
11:54<Number19>thats the thing, there are no errors
11:54<Number19>or i cant find them
11:55<Number19>That is the last line in the XOrg log: [ 2.722] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0)
11:55<Number19>the only warning in there is about X11 cryllic fonts are not found
11:55<otyugh>heya. I fail to use startx trought slim. Is that possible ?
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11:56<otyugh>(slim fallback on default session instead of "startx" I set up in /etc/slim.conf)
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11:58<Number19>chris_se: Is there a reason why i shouldn't try with the proprietary? Because i doesn't even work with the free one?
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12:01<anonymous>YOU HAVE BEEN HACKED
12:01<blast007>Number19: do you use Gnome?
12:02<Number19>kdm
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12:02<Number19>kdm[657]: X server is stuck in D state; leaving it alone
12:02<Number19>from systemctl status
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12:09<piper>kdm is not even worked on anymore last i knew
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12:14<Number19>But it seems like an XOrg Problem, doesn't it?
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12:16<somiaj>Number19: what graphics card do you have?
12:16<Number19>HD 7850
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12:18<blast007>Number19: you could try a Debian Live image with the non-free firmware included to see if it works there: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
12:20<Number19>i'll try
12:20<somiaj>Number19: that is a radeon card correct? Do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed?
12:20<Number19>XOrg freezes when i install that package
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12:20<somiaj>Number19: many amd/ati cards even though they use the free driver needed non-free firmware to get full support.
12:20<Number19>thats the whole problem
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12:21<Number19>freezes on startup
12:21<somiaj>Number19: then don't install it from xorg, disable xorg and drop to a console until you fix the problem. The fact that this freezes xorg seems weird, as installing a package should not freeze your xorg.
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12:21<somiaj>Number19: then disable your display manager
12:22<Number19>how do i disable xorg? :D
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12:23<somiaj>!nodm
12:23<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/).
12:23<somiaj>put false in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
12:23<somiaj>then make sure you keep track of what it is now, so you can put it back to its state once you fix xorg
12:25<Number19>okay so, restart, install package, but kdm back, restart and see if its okay?
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12:26<somiaj>Number19: you can just run 'startx' as your normal user (not root) to see if it works
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12:26<Number19>okay, see you soon
12:26<somiaj>if it doesn't you can usually hit ctrl-alt-f2 and at least debug the issue
12:27<somiaj>i.e. no need to have to use kdm to see if your xorg issue is done. Just restore xorg when you have it fixed
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12:36<vaffanculo>hi
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12:43<Number19>so startx hang
12:44<Number19>:(
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12:46<Nemoder>grep EE ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
12:47<Number19>no errors
12:47<Number19>only 1 warning about a cryllic font not found
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13:14<marty>hey guys, i am trying to create a debian package with dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage
13:15<marty>i have a small library that i want to build in to a debian package
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13:15<marty>i was just wondering. the dirs file is for creating files when there are install?
13:15<marty>creating directories*
13:16<alpha1>list
13:17<marty>the dirs file is for creating directories so they libraries can go in to the directories when the package is created
13:17<alpha1>#list
13:17<marty>and install file is used to find the file in to put in to your package?
13:20<marty>do you always need a make file with your code for the rules file to call it?
13:20<marty>i think rpms are easier to make
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13:48<rove181>eheh
13:48<rove181>yo
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13:49<marty>yo
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13:52<Number19>What is the difference between normal boot and failsafe on a live and fresh USB stick?
13:52<cdesai>apo: mind if I pm you?
13:53<Number19>Because everything freezes on normal boot and on failsafe it works
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14:04<ch4nt7>hola alguien me puede colaborar
14:04<ch4nt7>con un trabajo que me piedieron
14:04<ch4nt7>soy nuevo en debian y el trabajo es crear un paquete asi se con un hello world
14:05<ch4nt7>y no se por donde empezar
14:06<jmcnaught>!es
14:06<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
14:07<ch4nt7>gracias diculpa por molestar
14:07<ch4nt7>y mi ignorancia
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14:16<mg__>testing mint
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15:25<awar>hi guys
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15:26<awar>i have installed bumblebee but im not understand why primusrun glxgears -info work and primusrun blender not work
15:26<awar>have any idea?
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15:32<blast007>awar: can you be more specific than 'not work'?
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15:34<anonymous>hello
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16:38<marty>with debhelper there is a goal of dh_usrlocal. I am failing to get past it because it is failing to delete a directory in usr/local
16:38<marty>anyone come across this problem
16:38<marty>?
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17:21<chris_se>marty, there is a very specific use case for dh_usrlocal, and I assume you're using it wrong. in general, debian packages shouldn't have anything in /usr/local. however, some packages might want require directories in /usr/local to be present (so that administrators may optionally install e.g. plugins to /usr/local or something along those lines) - so dh_usrlocal makes sure that any directory present in the build tree is created by maintainer
17:21<chris_se>scripts (postinst) instead
17:23<chris_se>but if there's a file below usr/local in the installed tree of a package (debian/pkgname/usr/local at the time dh_usrlocal is run), dh_usrlocal will fail
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17:27<chris_se>now, if you are packaging something for yourself only (local package, NOT for inclusion in the official debian archive) and don't WANT to follow debian policy in this regard (i.e. you WANT your package to have stuff in /usr/local), then you can of course just not call dh_usrlocal
17:28<chris_se>(if you are using dh(7)-style debian/rules, just add a line "override_dh_usrlocal:" to the end of debian/rules, that will disable it there)
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18:57<Eryn_1983_FL>hey guys mosh or autossh? which is better?
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19:04<microcluster>identify joele16606
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19:09<sahmaran>#pardus
19:10<sahmaran>#ubuntu
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19:19<shaun>lols
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19:19<shaun>lolllllllllllllssssssssssssss
19:20<shaun>hello
19:20<shaun>chicen
19:20<shaun>tggjfgtbyklolllsssssssssssssssssss
19:20<wowaname->shaun stop spamming
19:21<shaun>nooo
19:21<shaun>i will spam for
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19:22<wowaname->let's see the op list in this channel
19:22<shaun>lolsssssssssssssssssssssssssss
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19:23<shaun>hiiiiiiii lolssssss
19:23<jamesawagner3>There are must better places for a troll. I can't imagine #debian is really that interesting.
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19:23<wowaname->not really
19:23<wowaname->he should try #tor
19:24<wowaname->anyway, what would be a good way to hunt down the cause for my ethernet interface resetting every 24 hours? i already looked through crontabs, syslogs, running services, installed packages...
19:24<wowaname->either i'm not looking hard enough or my isp is lying to me and it really is a problem on their end
19:25<wowaname->i configured my ip address to be static so that *should* rule out dhcp unless there's somehow something else screwing that up
19:26<wowaname->been having this issue for more than a month now, i'm really tired of it and nobody seems to be able to explain it or to help
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20:27<wowaname->yup, and by the time someone says something it will be answering another question
20:27<wowaname->lmao
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21:21<commander55643>hi - I'm new to Debian (as a result of playing with Tails) and my laptop has Skylake, Intel HD520. It boots, but only shows 640x480.
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21:21<commander55643>I've tried kernel options I found on a Debian forum (i950.enable_hw_support=1 or whatever) but to no avail.
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21:22<commander55643>Is there a driver module or something else I can enable to get support for the 520 integrated graphics?
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21:29<jmcnaught>commander55643: You could try a newer kernel from http://backports.debian.org/ which also has a newer version of xserver-xorg-video-intel.
21:29<commander55643>is that a thing I can do in Tails?
21:30<commander55643>I've been an Ubuntu user for a while, but new to Debian and Tails...
21:30<jmcnaught>oh i misunderstood your first message as "I'm using Debian after trying Tails"
21:30<jmcnaught>Tails and other Debian derivatives are not supported here
21:30<jmcnaught>check in the #tails channel
21:31<commander55643>they sent me here ;)
21:31<jmcnaught>they should not have
21:31<jmcnaught>!based on debian
21:31<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
21:31<commander55643>ah, well, sorry for the trouble.
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21:32<jmcnaught>commander55643: it's okay, now you know :) you're also completely welcome to try Debian instead of Tails
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21:39<commander55643>is there a security option, a default way to 'lock down' debian?
21:39<commander55643>a set of security features that can be enabled as a 'thing'
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21:42<ryouma>there is a harden package that forbids insecure packages, and some other hardening thing you can install
21:42<ryouma>i think
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21:43<commander55643>but nothing on the order of Tails -- which, I guess, is why other distributions like Tails exist
21:43<Ouroboros>when running under kvm, is disk encryption completely pointless, or is there a way to get some semblance of security back?
21:44<Ouroboros>e.g. at least erase the volume key when the vm suspends or something?
21:45<blast007>commander55643: Skylake requires extra firmware for the GPU, and probably a newer kernel (and other bits)
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21:48<jmcnaught>commander55643: i don't everything that Tails has done to lock itself down. Debian does provide you with lots of tools. There's a torbrowser-launcher package for example is one that might interest you. There is also a "securing debian" manual (though some parts are a little out of date)
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21:49*jmcnaught forgot a "know" in there somewhere
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21:52<commander55643>interesting; I'll have to check it out. Thanks!
21:54<Ouroboros>re my vm question, obviously anyone on the hypervisor can read the encrypted content while the vm is running, but we can just consider this to be similar to an attacker inside the vm
21:55<Ouroboros>but it would be nice if at least when the vm is suspended to disk and that disk gets lost, then its not readable
21:56<Ouroboros>not sure if there is some kvm hook to detect suspension?
21:57<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: so you do not control the hypervisor in this situation?
21:57<Ouroboros>no, this is e.g. a third-party hosted vps situation
21:59<Ouroboros>although i guess its more likely that the disk would be lost while the vm is powered up, in which case the key wouldnt be on disk
22:00<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: i don't know of a way within the KVM guest to detect if it is suspended. what kind of threat model are you trying to protect against?
22:00<Ouroboros>jmcnaught: mostly things like the host replacing failed disks or going out of business or similar
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22:01<Ouroboros>i guess this is too unpredictable to guarantee anything
22:02<jmcnaught>encrypted disk will help you there i suppose. it will come with the price of needing to enter the encryption key in a console every time the VPS is restarted though
22:02<Ouroboros>well, it only helps if the key isnt also on the disk
22:02<Ouroboros>which is like 50/50 chance :)
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22:04<jmcnaught>not sure what you mean
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22:05<Ouroboros>well, once its unlocked, the key is in the VM ram, which would be written to disk if the VM is suspended e.g.
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22:08<jmcnaught>do VPS hosts hibernate their systems? i guess it's possible, but it sounds strange
22:09<Ouroboros>i think they suspend all the VMs if they are going to reboot their system
22:09<Ouroboros>not really sure though, i havent used it
22:11<jmcnaught>if it's KVM i imagine it's like they use libvirt to shutdown the guests before restarting
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22:11<Ouroboros>well i dont know if its shutdown or suspend
22:11<jmcnaught>i have KVM/libvirt on my laptop, and it was extra effort to get S3 suspend working for guests, and requires the qemu-guest-agent package on the guest
22:12<Ouroboros>hm
22:12<jmcnaught>and a special serial device in the guest that is connected to a socket on the host
22:13<Ouroboros>well, what i am talking about is not where the client OS is suspending
22:14<Ouroboros>i am talking about the hypervisor freezing the client and writing its state to disk
22:14<Ouroboros>like the pause button in vmware or whatever
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22:14<Ouroboros>dunno what its called in kvm
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22:16<jmcnaught>libvirt at least calls it suspend and resume, but it doesn't write the RAM contents to disk, it just freezes execution.
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22:16<Ouroboros>how could it freeze it without writing the ram?
22:16<jmcnaught>however i imagine that would take a LOT more time to do for all guests than simply to send the shutdown to all of them, reboot, and let them boot up again
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22:17<jmcnaught>by not removing it from ram. it just pauses execution.
22:18<Ouroboros>in the one i used, the execution is preserved between host machine reboot
22:19<jmcnaught>yeah, i guess libvirt does have features like that with qcow2 snapshots
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22:22<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: maybe check the journal and dmesg of your VPS after doing a pause/suspend on the ISP's control panel or whatever, maybe you'll find something that can be acted on. interesting question though :)
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22:24<Ouroboros>i guess i shouldnt worry about it, not like i have any interesting data anyway
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23:13<ryanzc>does anyone know how to start a gopher browser
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23:14<jmcnaught>ryanzc: there's a gopher package that includes a /usr/bin/gopher command
23:15<ryanzc>i have everything installed, my friend was showing me the browser, but didnt tell me how to start it
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23:17<jmcnaught>ryanzc: presumably one would type "gopher" on the command line if using that package. there might be other gopher packages you could search for in apt
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23:18<ryanzc>maybe he didnt install it lol, let me try thar
23:18<ryanzc>that
23:18<teatime>if you know the name of the package, you can 'dpkg -L pkgname' to see the files it installs
23:19<teatime>so like, 'dpkg -L packagename | grep bin' can help fine executables
23:20<teatime>'dpkg -l | grep gopher' might help you find the package name
23:20<somiaj>there is also apt-file if you just want a database to search for file names
23:20<teatime>yes, apt-file to search for files installed by *all* packages, not just thoses you have installed.
23:20<teatime>and dpkg -S to find out what package owns a certain file on your system
23:20<ryanzc>everything is working
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23:21<ryanzc>but there is some site that has jokes or something that you can view from gopher, and i cant find it
23:23<ryanzc>how do i make the terminal have a black background and green text?
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23:58<ritek>hello, I'm trying to install debian jessie on a thinkpad t460s but I'm unable to install the boot loader in both legacy and uefi modes. The error I get is:
23:58<ritek>"An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk"
23:58<ritek>any ideas on what's happening or what to try next?
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23:59<ritek>ah, I also disabled uefi secure boot btw
23:59<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I would like to have any information about Debian User experience using btrfs, is there any problem on using it as the single fs on entire Debian Installation ?
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