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00:08<cancer22>hola
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00:56<macguyiverelectronics>can anyone send me lynx i cant open firefox
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01:14<awal>Trying to get a verbose boot logging with systemd, similar to the sysvinit one: any technical importance/difference/preference between adding "systemd.show_status=1" to the kernel cmdline and uncommenting the line "ShowStatus=yes" in /etc/systemd/system.conf ?
01:15<awal>the result is the same durring boot, so just wondering...
01:15<somiaj>awal: what you do mean by verbose, you just want it to print everything to the screen as it boots?
01:15<somiaj>have you removed the 'quiet' line from the kernel options in /etc/default/grub
01:16<awal>somiaj, every thing no, removing 'quiet' give an extreme verbosity. I just want something similar to sysvinit boot if you remember
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01:16<somiaj>with all the [ OK ] that gets printed durng the servies? That is what I see when I remove quiet
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01:17<awal>somiaj, yeah the 'Ok's' I want only not all other kernel stuff (drivers and so
01:17<awal>I have found this http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/204333/descriptive-message-services
01:18<somiaj>I do see a 'quiet loglevel=3' [make sure you put it in that order]
01:18<somiaj>seems you can adjust that log level from 0 to 7, does that have any effect?
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01:18<awal>there you 're talking about systemd system.conf?
01:18<somiaj>no same /etc/default/grub
01:18<somiaj>instead of removing quiet
01:18<somiaj>adjust the loglevel
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01:19<somiaj>I have not tried this, so I don't know what effect it will have, it is just some documentation I found
01:20<awal>somiaj, ok I will try adjusting/playing ith levels from 0 to 7 as you said and see
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01:22<awal>but I think that uncommenting "ShowStatus=yes" in /etc/systemd/system.conf is a nice way (because I have tried it)
01:22<somiaj>I see there is some systemd log levels that can be set to, but unsure how it is grouoped. My boot is so fast I would rather just look at the output of the logs than see them during boot
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01:24<awal>somiaj, right, looking at the output of logs when in X or tty is fine for sure, but my idea is because I miss the old sysvinit boot
01:24<awal>I like see the descriptive/info lines when booting the machine
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01:25<awal>without that it's like I'm running ubuntu or windows
01:25<somiaj>awal: understand, hopefully you can adjust the loglevel to a acceptable balance.
01:26<awal>I know it's subjective what I said but, that's what I feel
01:26<awal>ok, somiaj, I'll try the loglevels too
01:26<awal>thanks
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03:32<lukasz>hi all, aptitude update doesn't work on all my debian servers since friday, cannot connect to security.debian.org, did anyone noticed it too ?
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03:47<lukasz>every time i do apt-get update i receive message i can not connect to security.debian.org:http: [IP: 212.211.132.250 80]
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03:52<jm_>wget --header="Host: security.debian.org" http://212.211.132.250/dists/jessie/updates/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 works just fine for me
03:53<lukasz>do you use ipv6 or ipv4 ?
03:54<jm_>isn't it obvious from the URL?
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03:54<lukasz>obvious u r right
03:55<lukasz>can u paste here your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
03:56<jm_>it's the standard one -- deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
03:56<jm_>I tested with wget so that I could check that specific IP, because security is a pool of mirrors so you don't always connect to the same host
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03:59<lukasz>my sources.list:
04:00<lukasz>deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
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04:00<lukasz>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
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04:01<jm_>yeah like I said, it's normal
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04:01<lukasz>but your command: wget --header="Host: security.debian.org" http://212.211.132.250/dists/jessie/updates/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 doesnt work for me......
04:01<lukasz>connecting............
04:01<lukasz>strange
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04:02<jm_>so there must be something on your side, try contacting your ISP and also test with other mirrors
04:02<lukasz>yep tx for help
04:02<jm_>no problem
04:02<peter1138>check any local firewalls
04:03<lukasz>peter, rather no fw problem, over 20 servers got this issue
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04:07<lukasz>looks like a isp problem tx guys
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04:59<panda>I have a bad day in "cal" any idea ? http://paste.debian.net/417594/
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05:04<tmsbrg>a bug in cal? I wouldn't know how that'd happen
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05:23<panda>tmsbrg, that's possible. WE can wait a feedback before opening a bug reports
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05:26<musca>panda: are you running the original cal or is it an alias or som local script?
05:26<musca>which cal
05:27<panda>musca, /usr/bin/cal
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05:32<panda>musca, I'm on sid
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05:34<jm_>using sid and not even bothering to check BTS on your own? #817916
05:34<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/817916 in bsdmainutils (closed): «cal: weekdays wrong»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-03-11; last modified: 2016-03-12.
05:34<grove>Support for sid is in #debian-next
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05:37<panda>You're true ! I may use the BTS before open my mouth. By the way thanks to point me the bug.
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05:43<musca>tmsbrg: * Fix first day of week calculation for cal. (Closes: #817916)
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05:44<tmsbrg>I wouldn't expect such a bug in such old and relatively simple software
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05:54<musca>never say never ;-)
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06:04<root>test
06:04<root>Test
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06:09<Guest8580>Good morning everyone. I would you to know that I'm a poor european guy who has a 14 years old craptop
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06:11<Guest8580>I'm sad about my condition, I always need to hack things/mod that in order to stand 2016 and so on
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06:11<Guest8580>I am full of ideas but I don't have a single euro
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06:12<Guest8580>when I look to the user list I see 700+ people and I wonder about their life
06:12<Guest8580>Better than mine of course
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06:19<grove>Guest8580: This is a support channel, not a place to chat about anyones life
06:21<Guest8580>grove, thanks, you are so understanding
06:21<panda>Guest8580, you can go to #debian-offtopic
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06:22<Guest8580>panda, thank you, I'm going to follow your advice
06:23<grove>Guest8580: It's not about understanding, it's about not filling channels with chat that doesn't belong in them
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06:24<Guest8580>grove, please excuse my 496 byte text
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07:07<pedeb>Is there a channel for debian translation team? I would like to know about tools like transifex.com (but seems that it's no longer free software) that you perhaps use for debian
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07:11<blast007>pedeb: https://wiki.debian.org/I18n https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/I18n #debian-i18n
07:13<pedeb>blast007: thanks!
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08:10<ThomasKeller>I have installed Jessie+xfce
08:10<ThomasKeller>whenever I log in to xfce, it creates directories in my home:
08:10<ThomasKeller>Documents Downloads Music Pictures
08:10<ThomasKeller>I don't want these directories. How can I tell xfce not to keep creating them after I have deleted them ?
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08:12<jm_>ThomasKeller: I did this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xdg_user_directories
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09:41<scootergrisen>I'm trying to fix a problem with font in SuperTuxKart and want to try to "re-configure locale" what ever that means. How do i do that?
09:41<scootergrisen>Letters like æøå are not showed correcty in SuperTuxKart
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09:47<jmcnaught>scootergrisen: check https://wiki.debian.org/Locale for some info on that. "dpkg-reconfigure" will let you choose which locales should be generated for a system, and which one is the default. there are various ways to choose a locale for a specific user/session/application
09:49<scootergrisen>I dont have dpkg-reconfigure
09:49<jmcnaught>scootergrisen: you could even try "locale -a" to list locales on your systme, and then launch supertuxkart with "LANG=fr_CA.utf8 supertuxkart" for example (setting LANG to something listed by locale -a, and whatever the program is called)
09:50<jmcnaught>scootergrisen: dpkg-reconfigure needs to be run as root. the stuff i suggested in in my previous comment can be done as regular user
09:55<scootergrisen>Ah ok thanks:)
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10:09<vlad_>Hello to all. Do anybody had such problem: aptitude do not removes user tag from package.
10:09<vlad_>I have made like was written in man: https://pp.vk.me/c629425/v629425447/3f8bc/iXHNS5jQPqE.jpg
10:10<vlad_>And the user tag is still present: https://pp.vk.me/c629425/v629425447/3f8ce/qAQAZ8a7mWE.jpg
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10:16<jmcnaught>vlad_: it works for me. maybe this is something broken in Linux Mint? Mint isn't supported here, you'll need to ask in a Mint channel
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10:19<jmcnaught>vlad_: please don't private message people without asking first, we do support in the channel here
10:19<vlad_>ok
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10:21<zathras>Hi. I am trying to use PHP Guzzle and/or PHP GuzzleHttp packages. According to their docs the libs can be loaded by: require_once 'vendor/autoload.php';
10:22<zathras>however that results in error: PHP Warning: require_once(vendor/autoload.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory
10:22<zathras>which makes sense as there are guzzle directories in /usr/share/php but non of them includes a file calles vendor/autoload.php
10:23<zathras>what would be the alternative please?
10:23<jmcnaught>zathras: i don't use guzzle, but there is often Debian specific info in /usr/share/doc/$package/README.Debian that might explain how to use it
10:23<zathras>jmcnaught, correct. Not in this case afail
10:23<zathras>*afaik
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10:25<zathras>the docs in the packages are more or less copies of online docs advising to use the above require_once
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10:27<jmcnaught>zathras: vendor/autoload.php sounds like a composer thing to get around loading php modules that aren't in standard places (i'm not a PHP person), so it might not be relevant with guzzle installed where all the rest of your PHP is. thank you for your work maintaining the great machine by the way :)
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10:32<n-st>hi, is there an image that i can dd onto a vm harddisk from a running debian to boot it and reinstall debian cleanly?
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10:35<vlad_>why do you need to write it on hard disk?
10:36<jmcnaught>n-st: it's better to use debootstrap or the debian installer in the VM. there are ways to automated the installer. if you do clone an image to make a new VM, there are a bunch of files that need to be changed for the new hostname (/etc/hostname, /etc/hosts, /etc/mailname, SSH host keys and more depending on packages installed)
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10:37<n-st>the situation is a little peculiar: this is a vm rented from a hosting company. it's one of the low-budget ones, so it doesn't come with an option to import disk images
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10:38<jmcnaught>n-st: the install manual has a chapter on installing Debian from within a Linux system: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en
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10:39<jmcnaught>n-st: if the VM is actually an OpenVZ container and not a true VM it might be a little more complicated
10:39<Guest8604>hello, i have the wrong email on the report bug. can i configure reportbug with my correct email again?
10:40<n-st>jmcnaught: it's a vmware vm, so the virt environment shouldn't be a problem
10:40<n-st>i just need something that loads completely into ram so i can wipe the hdd
10:40<n-st>trying https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-hard-disk now
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10:42<zeta>n-st: "load into ram" is what all of the regular install images do. otherwise they would't be able to format the harddrive prior to installing
10:43<lindi->n-st: just boot your existing installation with "break=premount" and then overwrite the disks from there
10:43<lindi->n-st: it's the initramfs environment
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10:44<Guest8604>I have given my false email when reportbug. How can I deposit my correct email address?
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10:47<zeta>Guest8604: you can change settings using reportbug --configure
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10:47<n-st>alright, i borked it...
10:48<n-st>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-hard-disk doesn't actually preload the entire iso into ram, so when the installer formats the hdd, it deletes its own data source
10:49<n-st>can i reconfigure it to load everything it needs via the network instead?
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10:50<zeta>i'm still unsure what exactly you're looking for, but it sounds like https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ might be it?
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10:53<n-st>zeta: i want to wipe and reinstall a system where i can't insert any removable media, so the installer has to be loaded from the hdd and loaded completely into ram so it can wipe the hdd it came from
10:53<n-st>i got as far as loading the installer from the hdd, but it still depends on the netinst iso file on the hdd, so it breaks when it formats the hdd
10:53<zeta>oooh. i missed the no image part
10:54<n-st>shouldn't there be a way to make the installer forget the iso file (that doesn't exist on the hdd anymore) and make it load everything via the network?
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10:55<jmlongo>Editing source.list should do the trick
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10:56<jmlongo>*sources.list
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10:57<jmlongo>oh ... sorry ... nevermind me ... just read the conversation .... you're installing the system from an iso stored in the same disk ...
10:57<n-st>jmlongo: the installer environment doesn't seem to have it
10:57<n-st>and udebs-source only contains "jessie"
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10:59<jmlongo>maybe if you store the ISO in a partition that won't be formatted?
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11:00<n-st>i've only got 20 GB of disk space, so i want to format all of it
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11:01<n-st>i could reformat it afterwards, but that's tedious too
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11:01<jmlongo>yeah ... you're right
11:01<lindi->n-st: you can even run the installer on your own system inside kvm and export the block device over network with nbd
11:01<n-st>is there any initrd that contains just enough to set up a static ip and then tftp the installer via the internet?
11:02<lindi->n-st: I think your existing initrd can already do that
11:02<n-st>lindi-: any idea how?
11:02<lindi->n-st: "ip" command to setup networking, "busybox tftp" to use TFTP (but why do you want TFTP?)
11:03<lindi->n-st: my recommendation: install everything locally to a virtual machine and test that it works
11:03<jmlongo>maybe this could help too? https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall
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11:03<n-st>lindi-: i was thinking i could just skip the dhcp step of pxe-netboot by having an initrd set a static ip, then proceed to load the entire install environment over the network, like i would with pxe
11:03<lindi->n-st: then boot your existing installer with break=premount boot option and use "busybox nc" to copy the working image
11:05<n-st>lindi-: i've thought about that, but it would be painful to fix all the hdd and ethernet config mismatches from the "foreign" installation
11:05<lindi->n-st: what hdd mismatches?
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11:06<n-st>sda vs hda, perhaps more
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11:06<lindi->n-st: using UUIDs should fix that
11:06<lindi->n-st: and that's the default
11:06<lindi->n-st: also in debian 8 the mac address of the network card won't be stored in virtual machines
11:07<n-st>lindi-: but the required driver would, right?
11:07<n-st>which might differ between vmware, virtualbox and kvm (not sure if does)
11:08<lindi->n-st: I'd imagine the initrd would contain all common drivers
11:08<lindi->n-st: since it is generated with MODULES=most by default
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11:21<n-st>got it almost where i want it now
11:22<n-st>the installer fails during "Installing the base system" ("failed to determine the codename for the release"), but when i manually run debootstrap, it seems to work fine
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11:24<lindi->n-st: if you manually run debootstrap then you really need to worry about ethernet configuration etc.
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11:25<lindi->n-st: since it doesn't do partitioning or any of the usual stuff
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11:28<n-st>... and the installer has a hard dependency on the "Install base system" step :|
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11:50<adx>hi
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11:57<R4F_Debian>Hi all. I've already been quite helped for Debian Project, now it's time to start helping it. How can a newbie can help Debian Project ?
11:58<R4F_Debian>I've been quite helped by Debian Project. I want to help by any way.
11:58<sney>stay on irc and answer people's questions
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11:59<vanderson>Eae
11:59<vanderson>Hi
11:59<Nemoder>R4F_Debian: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-contributing.en.html
11:59<R4F_Debian>Hi sney, glad to see you ! Sney, but it's the case for Power Users, who are able to provide Debian support, that is not my case yet
12:00<R4F_Debian>Hi Nemoder
12:00<R4F_Debian>Hi vanderson, where are you from ?
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12:00<sney>most of the questions people ask here are pretty basic, and the more you hang around and observe the more you will learn
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12:01<R4F_Debian>well, I will start reading the Debian Handbook, I will learn a lot from it also. Perhaps I can help on this
12:02<R4F_Debian>ok sney, anyway, if I have any trouble, I ask you for help. You and other Debian Power Users. Ok so !
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12:04<R4F_Debian>Reading what Nemoder has passed me
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12:07<R4F_Debian>Nemoder, according this part: '13.1 How can I become a Debian software developer?': let's suppose I would like to include Oxford Dictionary into Debian Repository, I have this version for Windows. Is that possible through packaging, changing to .deb and include it into Debian repository ?
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12:08<R4F_Debian>well, don't know if it's a free software
12:08<R4F_Debian>it is free for Windows
12:08<Nemoder>At the very least you would need rights to redistribute it.
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12:08<Nemoder>!mg
12:08<dpkg>The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/
12:09<sney>R4F_Debian: it might help to learn the difference between free software and "free" where you don't have to pay for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software
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12:09<R4F_Debian>I see, sney
12:09<R4F_Debian>I will read this link you have passed me. Thanks for help, sney !
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12:16<R4F_Debian>Nemoder and sney, sorry for my limited vision about it, but, let us suppose I have rights to redistribute a software which is firstly available in .exe format. Technically speaking, is that possible converting it or transforming it through packaging management, to a .deb for Debian Jessie ?
12:17<sney>highly unlikely
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12:17<R4F_Debian>sney, technically it is not possible ?
12:17<R4F_Debian>.exe to .deb ?
12:18<sney>you would need the source code first of all, and it's not enough for _you_ to have the distribution rights, but it needs to be licensed so that anyone can distribute it - debian has guidelines for this called the DFSG
12:18<sney>.exe files are windows binaries
12:18<R4F_Debian>yes, I know, that is why I asked you using this example (.exe)
12:19<Nemoder>you could write a guide on how to run it using wine, but it might better to look for native alternatives
12:19<R4F_Debian>I will read this material you have passed me to get more mature knowledge about the subject. Thanks a lot, sney and Nemoder !
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12:19<R4F_Debian>I see, and currently I don't have any idea about wine operation
12:20<R4F_Debian>But I will read the whole material you have passed me, Nemoder and sney
12:20<R4F_Debian>Thanks for that. Glad to see you again, sney !
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12:20<R4F_Debian>I must go now, See you soon ! Bye all !
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12:39<egis2122>hello
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12:44<scootergrisen>Could anyone help me with Debian. It seems my system crashes much to often
12:44<scootergrisen>I don't know if it might be because i have installed some versions of software that are not provided in the package manager
12:44<mtn>scootergrisen: what kind of crash? what are the symptoms?
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12:46<scootergrisen>lets time... some minuts ago... i was opening a search dialog to search in SciTE text editor and the graphics on the screen was just drawing a box that was about to open and then it just freeze
12:46<scootergrisen>I can't do anything, mouse is frozed, cant switch to TTY1 or anything not crtl alt del
12:46<mtn>scootergrisen: the screen freezes? can you do ctrl+alt+f2 at that time?
12:46<scootergrisen>no
12:46<mtn>scootergrisen: ok, so probably a video driver problem
12:46<scootergrisen>i mean yes it freeze and no cant do TTY2
12:47<scootergrisen>Yeah i was actually thinking that to. the driver did not come with Debian i had to install the non-free thingy
12:47<mtn>scootergrisen: and you should read this: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
12:47<scootergrisen>Its Radeon card
12:48<mtn>scootergrisen: what is a "non-free thingy"?
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12:50<sweitzman>any advice on linode vs digitalocean please?
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12:50<scootergrisen>I have firmware-linux-nonfree which is the driver for my radeon i think
12:51<scootergrisen>version 0.43
12:52<sney>sweitzman: weren't you just in here asking that last week? they're both fine. what comparison are you looking for?
12:52<sweitzman>I didn't get an answer =\
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12:52<sweitzman>reliability
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12:53<sney>I've been using both for years and no noticeable reliability issues whatsoever.
12:53<scootergrisen>The problem with only installed software from the package manager is that then i cant build the software i want
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12:53<sney>DO occasionally does weekend midnight reboots but they send emails way head of time to warn you
12:53<sney>welp
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12:56<scootergrisen>I also have xserver-xorg-video-radeon package
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12:58<vlad_>Hello to all. Do anybody know how to solve a problem with aptitude? I cannot remove user tag from package.
12:58<vlad_>I have made like was written in man: https://pp.vk.me/c629425/v629425447/3f8bc/iXHNS5jQPqE.jpg
12:58<vlad_>And the user tag is still present: https://pp.vk.me/c629425/v629425447/3f8ce/qAQAZ8a7mWE.jpg
12:58<vlad_>Is it a bug, or I make something wrong?
13:00<vlad_>Maybe somebody know how to find and talk with it's developers. Maybe that is a bug.
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13:03<grove>vlad_: Please use a pastebin instead of screenshots when you want to show us something
13:03<vlad_>ok )
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13:04<grove>vlad_: And 3 hours ago you were told to find a channel for Mint
13:06<vlad_>1. How you write that I see a green text? 2. Why do I need to find a channel for Mint? 3. I asked there already, nobody knows.
13:06<scootergrisen>How can i clear the logs?
13:06<blast007>!mint
13:06<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
13:07<scootergrisen>Offer them a piece of candy if they can answer
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13:08<blast007>scootergrisen: which logs are you wanting to clear?
13:08<scootergrisen>i run gnome-logs
13:09<scootergrisen>It says a lot of thingy but i just want to delete them so next time system crash i can better find the error
13:10<vlad_>But I have not any Mint Linux systems, they can send me faraway too =)
13:10<jmcnaught>vlad_: your screenshots have the linux mint logo in them.
13:11<scootergrisen>:)
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13:12<vlad_>Maybe somebody knows IRC of aptitude developers, or some appropriate way talk to them. Maybe this is a bug, I had it on stable branch too.
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13:12<scootergrisen>Try running: uname -a
13:12<vlad_>That logo I made for theme Glass Mint for Cinnamon desktop environment.
13:12<scootergrisen>And see if it says Mint
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13:13<vlad_>Linux deb 4.4.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.4.6-1 (2016-03-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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13:14<blast007>which version of Debian are you running?
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13:15<vlad_>unstable
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13:15<blast007>then as per the topic, you should be in #debian-next
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13:16<vlad_>Yes, I'm there already =) But there nobody talks )
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13:20<dark-jedi>vlad_, Make sure you are running the command as root, or using sudo.
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13:22<vlad_>Thank you, I'm sure that I'm using sudo. Without sudo it gives an error.
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13:23<dark-jedi>vlad_, Can you post the command you are using. I just looked at "man aptitude" and discovered something...
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13:23<vlad_>Yes. sudo aptitude remove-user-tag meld meld
13:23<dark-jedi>It's possible I might be able to modify the command so it works. I just want to try something. I'm also using unstable.
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13:24<vlad_>Than when I make: aptitude show meld, in the end it still haves the user tag.
13:25<dark-jedi>vlad_, Try "sudo aptitude install --remove-user-tag meld"
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13:27<vlad_>Thank you, but it does not helped: https://pp.vk.me/c629425/v629425447/3f9a1/Lkc8vi6FkJo.jpg
13:29<jmcnaught>dark-jedi: that is not the correct syntax: http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=aptitude&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+unstable+sid&format=html&locale=en also if you're both using unstable, you should both be talking in #debian-next :)
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13:30<vlad_>You're so pedantic =) There nobody speaks. At all. My last message was 3 hour ago. So I asked here.
13:31<dark-jedi>Oh look! Someone sent me a man page. I've just spent the last 10 minutes looking at that.
13:31<dark-jedi>Only I actually typed "man aptitude" instead of Googling it.
13:32<jmcnaught>dark-jedi: but still managed to tell someone incorrect syntax. i provided you a link in case you were looking in the wrong place.
13:32<vlad_>I can repeat my steps on a stable release, the result be the same )
13:33<dark-jedi>jmcnaught, --remove-user-tag <tag>
13:33<dark-jedi> For full-upgrade, safe-upgradeforbid-version, hold, install, keep-all, markauto, unmarkauto, purge, reinstall, remove, unhold, and unmarkauto: remove the user tag <tag> from
13:33<dark-jedi> all packages that are installed, removed, or upgraded by this command as if with the add-user-tag command.
13:33<dark-jedi>jmcnaught, Thanks, but the command clearly says it is for use with upgrade.
13:33<dark-jedi>For... install
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13:34<jmcnaught>dark-jedi: aptitude [<options>...] {add-user-tag | remove-user-tag} <tag> <package> <--- this is at the top of the man page, and describes the syntax for what vlad_ is trying to do
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13:35<jmcnaught>this also works for me on jessie
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13:40<Kawaxi>can anyone help me with my SEH xploit?
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13:42<dark-jedi>jmcnaught, I think we just figured out why it wasn't working. In all fairness, both of our commands work - I tested. However vlad_ was not using a Terminal when typing these commands in. Not sure where he was typing them, but the command wasn't being parsed as BASH or SH
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13:43<jmcnaught>dark-jedi: his screenshots showed him using a terminal
13:44<vlad_>jmcnaught, I had used it exactly as you were writed.
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13:45<jmcnaught>vlad_: i believe you. i don't know why it doesn't work. at first i suspected you were using Mint but apparently that's just a theme. If you actually are using Mint then that's probably the reason.
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13:48<vlad_>jmcnaught, I'll try to repeat it on stable branch, I had such error some time ago. If it'll be so - I'll reportbug it.
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13:49<vlad_>Maybe someone knows where (in which files) do the user tags are writed. I'll remove it with text editor.
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14:13<vlad_>In stable branch all is ok.
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14:58<Kawaxi> could anyone help me with my SEH xploit?
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15:00<Riverside>Can anyone help me understand what the following is within my syslog: Mar 20 08:03:17 ctp-0 minissdpd[4007]: device not found for removing : uuid:TIVO-523747460011905F1C9F::urn:mdx-netflix-com:service:target:2
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15:02<Riverside>What I think it is: minissdpd service doing upnp can't find that device and is removing?
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15:04<Riverside>guess I figured it out. Please disregard the question
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15:08<nezZario>Loosing my mind here.. I'm using the latest debian stable here, .. lately my PC has just started "locking up" for several minutes on end. Usually if I let it sit long enough, it'll come back to life.. sometimes I have to kill a process or two.... This is like some Windows 95 crap... Where do I start looking? dmesg doesn't show anything of particualr
15:08<nezZario>interest
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15:09<nezZario>Oops sorry, thought I'd stop it before it cut me into two messages. Anyway, this isn't a wildly powerful PC, it's a dual core with like 6GB of RAM. but it's just such a weird thing ... I have 2xSSD's on top of MDADM as my OS partitions. I kind of want to blame it on disk access.. just anybody want to tell me where to look ?
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15:13<nezZario>I enabled sysstat/sar and enabled the cron collector just a couple hours ago to see if that revealed anything.. According to sar, my cpu usage never goes above 80% and disk %util never goes above 75%. And actually I lied .. looks like dmesg shows a ton of stuff that last time it just happened
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15:18<Riverside>Any reason I shouldn't disable MiniSSDPd on a server ?
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15:32<nezZario>Riverside: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/155154/i-stopped-minissdpd-will-something-bad-happen
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15:34<nezZario>Well I tried fstrim'ing my disks. I'm curious if this will help any..
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15:35<Riverside>Foudn the same article. No need for UPnP.. Just removed it. Thanks.
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15:36<Riverside>Thanks nezZario
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16:37<koray>hi
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16:37<sney>hi
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16:39<m-e-e-k>hi
16:39<koray>I'm new in linux world. Is debian a good choice ?
16:39<m-e-e-k>depends on your needs
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16:41<koray>I'm a web designer. I hated to pay for Windows platforms
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16:43<koray>nowadays, there is a new fashion called montly payment, annual payment..etc...
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16:46<Sanlega>join me
16:47<Sanlega>sanlegaPipS
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16:51<Sanlega>hi_
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17:00<ZX>me gustaria saber como hacer una copia integra de mi linux para instalarlo identicamente en otro pc.
17:00<ZX>alguna respuesta???
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17:03<adb>!es
17:03<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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17:07<androidirc>Hey there! Ive been having some driver issues with jessie which i couldnt resolve by myself(new to linux). Would this be a good place for questions?
17:08<teatime>7 Yes.
17:08<teatime>!ask
17:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:11<robb>I seem to have a graphics driver problem. I installed the stable jessie on a new pc, with an i5-6500 processor. At the moment im only using the integrated graphics for display.
17:11<robb>Now, in several situations, it seems like xorg just crashes
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17:12<sney>if that's brand new it might do better with the kernel in jessie-backports
17:12<robb>I dont know how to read its logs, but i couldnt get the display back on without a restart
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17:13<robb>Yeah, so, id like advice on how to do that :)
17:13<sney>!bpo
17:13<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
17:13<teatime>^^ just read the instructions, it's easy
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17:14<teatime>after you have the repo install, apt-get -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64
17:14<robb>Thats all?
17:15<teatime>well, `apt-get update` first but I assume that's in the install instructions.
17:15<teatime>yes it's very easy.
17:15<robb>No reboot?
17:15<teatime>and yes, reboot afterward :)
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17:16<robb>Would that upgrade all drivers automatically? Ive had a similar issue where the audio driver doesnt work
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17:16<teatime>yes, they're all part of the kernel.
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17:17<robb>Cool, hope it helps :)
17:17<robb>Ill be back if it wont ;_;
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17:24<robb>What is the name of the package for the backported kernel?
17:25<sney>,kernels
17:25<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.5.0-rc7-686-pae (4.5~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); stretch: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.5-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u3)
17:25<sney>with -amd64 instead of -686
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17:27<robb>Just <version number>-amd64?
17:28<teatime>did my command not work for you?
17:28<teatime>!bpo kernel
17:28<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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17:29<robb>Oh, just apt-get update should be enough? Is that what you mean?
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17:32<robb>Im not sure i unmderstand you
17:32<robb>Understand*
17:32<teatime>you update, and then do apt-get -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64
17:33<teatime>linux-image-amd64 is a virtual package that depends on the newest version kernel package available.
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17:36<robb>Ok this is weird, it doesnt recognise -t as a valoid option...
17:37<robb>Valid*
17:37<teatime>that is weird; maybe you have to do -t=jessie-backports?
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17:37<teatime>I usually use aptitude, which might be a good idea anyway since it's what dpkg suggests.
17:39<robb>How would the command look like
17:39<robb>-t=.... Doesnt work either
17:40<teatime>OH sorry I left our install
17:40<Riverside>If I have a tool that is on Wheezy that I need to update, but the latest apt-get package is too old, do you recommend I apt-get remove the pacakge and then install from source?
17:40<teatime>*left out
17:40<teatime>apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64
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17:41<robb>Cool now it works
17:41<teatime>Riverside: check wheezy-backports first, otherwise probably.
17:41<Riverside>Thanks teatime. Will do
17:42<robb>Yeah, thanks for the help :)
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17:43<robb>The installation had a lot of "possible missing firmware" notices
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17:46<teatime>you should enable non-free and install linux-firmware; might help with sound (I don't think intel video uses any, though.)
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17:47<robb>From the backports?
17:47<teatime>!non-free
17:47<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
17:47<teatime>!non-free sources
17:47<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
17:47<teatime>rather.
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17:48<robb>Well, i rebooted and now all i get is a blinking cursor(after the grub menu selection)
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17:48<retrospectacus>the package name is firmware-linux-nonfree.
17:48<robb>(Im chatting from a tablet)
17:48<robb>Im hard-rebooting
17:48<teatime>exoplanet: firmware-linux depends on -free and -nonfree
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17:49<robb>I do get the other ttys, just not the graphical one
17:49<robb>I have a shell now
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17:50<teatime>hrm kinda weird, wouldn't really expect that. install firmware, reboot, if it still doesn't load graphics we'll look at the Xorg log.
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17:51<robb>Apt-get -t jessie-backports install -?-
17:51<robb>Linux-firmware?
17:51<teatime>firmware-linux
17:52<teatime>and no -t option
17:52<teatime>just apt-get install firmware-linux
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17:54<robb>Its not availible on my repo image
17:55<teatime>did you enable non-free??
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17:55<teatime>!tell robb about non-free sources
17:55<teatime>fml.
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17:55<robb>Shitty wifi...
17:55<robb>I did
17:56<teatime>if you add non-ree and 'apt-get update', it will exist.
17:56<robb>Oh, forgot that one
17:56<robb>A moment please
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17:58<robb>Ok now reboot?
17:58<teatime>yes.
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18:00<robb>Ok... I had a bit of text run in a console-looking screen and im back to the flashing cursor at the graphic tty
18:01<robb>Rebooting to see if it helps
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18:02<robb>Ok, i caught it writing 'failed to load firmware i915'
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18:03<robb>Ana a few things about snd_... Which is the soumd driver of inte
18:03<robb>Intel*
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18:04<robb>Dmesg says it as well
18:05<robb>Teatime?
18:06<teatime>hrm, well, there's some i915 stuff in firmware-misc-nonfree (which replaces firmware-linux)
18:06<teatime>so you can try that. anyone know what that package is about?
18:06<teatime>also you can pastebing your Xorg.0.log which should exist in /var/log/ or ~/.local/share/xorg/
18:06<teatime>you can install pastebinit to make that easier
18:06<robb>Probably integrated graphics for intel
18:08<robb>I need to go now. Will you be here in a similar time tomorrow?
18:08<teatime>me and many others.
18:09<robb>Cool. Thanks for the help
18:09<robb>Good day :)
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18:34<sjfka>this channel? yes
18:34<mystic_>this channel is for debian
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19:33<anonymous>Is there any site or what not that will further teach you upon the software / programs that is within the anonymous OS?
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19:35<blast007>'the anonymous OS' sounds like something other than Debian.
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19:36<Marillion>anonymous: here is Debian support only, NOT derivates
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19:36<xyzone>Is it possible to pair an Arc Touch BT mouse on blueman? I can't get it to work.
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19:55<Anon1902>I have a question: How do I learn more about helping Anonymous with their message they are trying to deliver.
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19:56<rain1>what message?
19:58<Marillion>Anon1902: before you misunderstood anything, asking the people behind "anonymous"
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20:14<twb>There was an email that LO5.1 hit jessie-backports "14 hours, 4 minutes, 17 seconds ago" --- how long until I see it on http.debian.net ?
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20:15<sney>probably depends on which mirror http.debian.net is pointing you to, and what their sync policy etc is
20:16<twb>My hazy understanding of h.d.n was that it pointed to a "known good" mirror, whatever that means
20:16<twb>Which is why I usually get sent to a mirror in vanuatu, because there are no good mirrors in australia
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20:22<themill>twb: it will also depend on whether "hit jessie-backports" means the source package or the binary packages.
20:22<twb>yeah I don't know from the email
20:22<twb>http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.backports.changes/30996
20:22<themill>changes files are about source packages
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20:23<twb>OK so I have to wait for buildd to compile it
20:23<themill>(well, they can be about binary packages too, but less likely)
20:23<themill>actually, this one seems to have amd64 included
20:23<twb>it does say amd64 there, but I assume the uploaded amd64 gets thrown away
20:24<themill>nope
20:24<twb>Huh, I thought that change went through ages ago
20:25<twb>to stop people derping a binary upload
20:25<themill>still on the "one day we should do that" list, sadly
20:25*twb boggles and sighs
20:25<themill>it's harder to do than it sounds, apparently
20:26<twb>oh I don't dispute that
20:26<themill>(mostly because buildds and porters need to be able to upload .debs)
20:26<twb>I can just see the shitty outcomes if e.g. Build-Depends says "any old ssl library" and the uploader happens to have a non-default one installed, or something
20:26<themill>quite
20:27<twb>I guess the deterministic build guys will have to fix this implicitly
20:27<twb>or at least make it more obvious when accidents happen
20:27<themill>that's certainly one of the goals
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21:42<AlexLikeRock>what its real route at debian ?
21:43<AlexLikeRock> /etc/my.cnf
21:43<AlexLikeRock> or
21:43<AlexLikeRock>/etc/mysql/my.cnf
21:44<abrotman>likely the latter
21:44<twb>isn't it in the manpage
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21:45<abrotman>or in the /usr/share/doc/ ?
21:45<abrotman>or the logs ..
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21:48<twb>http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=mysql says /etc/my.cnf
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21:48<abrotman>that seems wrong
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21:48<abrotman>well, I guess it is MySQL
21:48*abrotman ducks
21:49<twb>wrong is built in
21:50<twb>If you want it to DTRT you have to install a third-par- waitaminute, why aren't we talking about mariadb?
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21:50<twb>Current mysql is the one where trolls are squatting on the trademark just to annoy people
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21:51<Riverside>Having a dumb pathing issue. Couldn't find a backport or updated version of tcpreplay so I uninstalled it and made it from source. The new version is installed in /usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin For some reason the system keeps looking in the old folder for it. Thoughts?
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21:53<twb>Riverside: there are different ways to work around it, but they're all icky and it depends which ickiness is most appropriate
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21:53<twb>Unless "keeps looking in the old folder" you just mean in the shell you had open already, in which case it's purely a caching issue; open a new shell
21:54<Riverside>okay let me try that . :)
21:54<Riverside>derp! it was the shell.
21:54<twb>I think it's also "rehash" or something
21:54<Riverside>haha
21:54<Riverside>Thank you twb.
21:54<twb>Ask #bash about it if you care
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21:58<AlexLikeRock>tanks twb
21:59<abrotman>dpkg: tell Riverside about ssb
21:59<abrotman>dpkg: tell Riverside about uupdate
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22:00<Riverside>Any reason Debian is on such an old version of tcpreplay? 3.4.3 is really old. 4.x is a big leap.
22:01<Riverside>Way better.
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22:02<seanw>Riverside: you could file a wishlist bug against tcpreplay asking for a new version.
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22:02<twb>!maria
22:02<twb>!mariadb
22:02<dpkg>MariaDB is a community-developed fork of <MySQL>, intended as backward compatible drop-in replacement. Packages are available for Debian 8 "Jessie" and later releases. https://mariadb.org/ #maria on irc.freenode.net.
22:02<twb>Hrmph
22:03<AlexLikeRock>i copy and not founf
22:03<AlexLikeRock>found
22:03<twb>Riverside: in what package is tcprelay? I find no evidence of it at all in jessie
22:03<abrotman>judd: versions tcpreplay
22:03<judd>Package: tcpreplay on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.4.3-2; wheezy: 3.4.3-2+wheezy1; sid: 3.4.4-2; stretch: 3.4.4-2; jessie: 3.4.4-2
22:04<Riverside>Yeah, very old.
22:04<twb>That's very odd because "zgrep --no-filename /srv/apt/debian/dists/jessie*/*/Contents-amd64.gz -F -e tcprelay" only finds python and ada code
22:04<Riverside>http://tcpreplay.appneta.com/wiki/installation.html
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22:04<teatime>it's not in jessie, he's on wheezy
22:04<twb>And rmadison doesn't mention it, and packages.debian.org doesn't know about it
22:05<twb>teatime: judd says it's in jessie tho
22:05<seanw>twb: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=tcpreplay seems to know about it...
22:05<teatime>oh. I didn't find it when I looked.
22:05<Riverside>You can bypass the kernel and access the network buffer with the new version for super speeds.
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22:05<Riverside>Also automatically change IP's in pcaps playing to solve that goofy issue.
22:05<twb>Riverside: I guess tcprelay was removed before jessie was released, because it had release-critical bugs
22:05<Riverside>Oh bummer.
22:05<twb>Hm, or not. I'm very confused
22:05<Riverside>Strange
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22:06<twb>Ohhhhh
22:06<twb>I'm typing "tcprelay" not "tcpreplay"
22:06<Riverside>The version that is in wheezy is a debug version that has a lame bug that spits stdio into stderror by accident. Filled up my logs
22:06<twb>Stupid words...
22:06<seanw>twb: :D
22:07<Riverside>The jessie version was old too though from what I was looking at earlier today. I was trying to do a backport
22:07<abrotman>Riverside: try uupdate
22:07<abrotman>!uupdate
22:07<dpkg>uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>.
22:08<twb>#792248
22:08<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/792248 in tcpreplay (open): «tcpreplay: New upstream version available (4.1.0)»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2015-07-13; last modified: 2015-08-23.
22:08<twb>Riverside: ^ you want to subscribe to that
22:09<twb>Riverside: and if the packager is AWOL, you could look into doing the work yourself. /join #debian-mentors to discuss that
22:09<Riverside>Awesome. Thank you all.
22:09<teatime>twb: lol, I did the same.
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22:59<ays>any recomendations on how I create a package for debian? I am a complete beginner.
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23:01<somiaj>ays: did you read the link the bot sent you the last time you asked this question?
23:02<ays>I am reading that. It was a presentation https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/packaging-tutorial/packaging-tutorial.en.pdf . I was hoping for a concise tutorial of some sorts?
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23:03<somiaj>that is not the link the bot sent you
23:03<somiaj>!nmg
23:03<dpkg>The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/
23:03<somiaj>ays: nevermind, the second one is the link I was thinking off, didn't realize there was also that tutorial.
23:04<somiaj>ays: anyways, the new mtainers guide is good read as it tells you a bit about policy as well as packing. But if you have a specific question regarding any one of those guides you should ask.
23:04<ays>I see. I'll read the new maintainers guide then.
23:07<somiaj>ays: are you wanting to build package from source that isn't in debian, or are you just wanting to take a debian source package and run the commands to build it?
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23:07<ays>somaiaj : I want to build a package from source.
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23:09<somiaj>ays: I got that, but what source. Is this source already in debian, has someone else already created a debian/ template you can use and you just need to run the commands to build the package, or are you needed to create the debian/ and all work to build the package.
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23:10<ays>I have a project which I want to package from scratch. The code itself is hosted on github
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23:10<teatime>If you're hoping to upload to Debian and become a maintainer, #debian-mentors might be a better place to get help on packaging/maintainership.
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23:12<ays>thanks teatime!
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