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---Logopened Sat Mar 26 00:00:31 2016
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00:06<Ionic>I have just debootstrapped a new jessie system in a chroot with the buildd variant, installed the MATE DE and some other packages, created a new user, edited sshd_config to fit, started sshd (within the chroot naturally) and am now unable to use X11 applications remotely, while natively or when connecting to totally different machines it works fine
00:07<Ionic>any suggestions?
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00:08<Alam_Lenny>with 'ssh -X' ?
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00:09<Alam_Lenny>Ionic: or -Y?
00:09<Ionic>I'm using -Y to avoid trust issues
00:10<steev>how does gbp work? i'd like to get firefox working on arm64, but if i attempt to import it via import-dsc it says it can't because there are multiple files
00:11<Ionic>hmmm
00:12<Ionic>according to strace it hangs at connect() to an IP address I don't know
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00:12<Ionic>that doesn't make sense...
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00:15<Alam_Lenny>Ionic: what process?
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00:17<Ionic>Alam_Lenny: I tried starting strace
00:17<Ionic>err
00:17<Ionic>xev
00:17<Ionic>and the output totally doesn't make sense
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00:18<Arcade>Hi there. I have a quick question about gufw. I see on Ubuntu launchpad that the project has been updated since debian's release of the package. My question is how hard would it be to import the new package over into debian.
00:18<Ionic>it tries to connect to some IPv4 address that is not in any way connected to mine
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00:18<Ionic>on the "working" boxes, I can see connect() calls to 127.0.0.1 and ::, which matches what is in $DISPLAY
00:19<Ionic>not so within the jessie chroot, uhm...
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00:21<Ionic>ah wait, I think I know what's up
00:21<steev>wrong nameserver?
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00:22<Ionic>quite so
00:22<Ionic>I'm missing the package providing /etc/hosts
00:23<Ionic>or well, the file itself...
00:23<steev>i think that's base-files
00:23<steev>nope, it isn't sorry
00:24<Ionic>no, net... wait
00:24<Ionic>netbase
00:24<Ionic>and yeah, that package wasn't installed...
00:25<Ionic>using the buildd variant as a starting point was seemingly a very bad idea
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00:25<Ionic>aaand suddenly it works :)
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05:24<p1_>hello, I installed debian 8.2 amd64 [gnome desktop] in my new dell laptop. I am facing some problem. the drag is not working in touchpad. Please help
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05:25<chris_se>what do you mean "drag not working"?
05:26<chris_se>what exactly are you doing, what do you expect to happen and what happens instead?
05:26<p1_>chris_se, "drag" -click and drag
05:27<chris_se>could you be a little more precise? does the laptop have separate mouse buttons? or does the touch pad click directly?
05:28<p1_>chris_se, if i try to drag, pointer will not move
05:28<chris_se>you didn't answer my question
05:28<p1_>chris_se, I am not talking about the mouse.
05:28<chris_se>I am aware
05:29<chris_se>ok, let me grab you some screenshots to make my question clear
05:29<chris_se>does your touchpad have separate buttons like this? https://uglyduckblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/csm_envy_dv6_touchpad_01_00c854db9a.jpg (I just did an image search and grabbed the first image I found)
05:30<chris_se>or does it only have a touchpad like this? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Acer_CB5-311_series_touchpad.jpg
05:30<chris_se>where the touchpad can be pressed down and it "clicks"
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05:31<ach>^^
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05:33<p1_>chris_se, my laptop has normal touchpad . Two buttons for left and right click
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05:34<chris_se>so the first picture I showed you?
05:35<p1_>yes,
05:35<chris_se>and so when you hold down a button, and then move on the touch pad, then the cursor doesn't move?
05:35<p1_>chris_se, exactly, thank god
05:36<chris_se>could you install the x11-utils package? there's a tool in there for debugging input events
05:37<p1_>chris_se, I will install now, whats the next step
05:37<chris_se>so then you need to run a terminal (otherwise you won't see the messages)
05:37<chris_se>and then in the terminal you can run a program called "xev"
05:37<p1_>chris_se , then
05:37<chris_se>warning: this will output a *lot* of messages, please don't copy&paste them or something
05:38<chris_se>this will open a window with a white background and a black square
05:38<chris_se>if you move over that window, you should see a lot of output in the terminal of the type "MotionNotify event"
05:38<chris_se>(and by a lot, I really mean a LOT)
05:38<chris_se>because this tells you every time the window receives a mouse move event
05:38<chris_se>now what you can try is start a drag in the window
05:39<chris_se>if you press down the mouse button (and not move at all), you should briefly see some mouse press events
05:39<chris_se>and so what you can do is press the mouse button and then move on the touchpad and see if the "MotionNotify" still keep coming
05:39<chris_se>(I only need a yes/no answer, please don't paste the output, that would be just too much)
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05:41<p1_>chris,se, I googled lil bit and found out sysclient/synclient something. Will it help me.
05:41<chris_se>that depends on what your exact problem is
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05:41<p1_>chris_se, k, I wont paste
05:41<chris_se>I'm trying to diagnose it right now
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05:42<chris_se>so basically if you move on your touchpad with the mouse over the window with the white background from "xev", your terminal should show _LOTS_ of MotionNotify events (so many you won't be able to read them all)
05:43<chris_se>the question I'm asking: is this still the case if you have a button pressed or not?
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07:42<pc213>how to fix the wifi issue in freshly installed debian gnome machine
07:42<pc213>I added the 'non-free' to sources.list and still not working
07:44<chris_se>you probably need to install the corresponding firmware package
07:44<towo`>only adding non-free will not change anything
07:44<chris_se>first: apt-get update
07:45<pc213>towo` , added and updated :D
07:45<chris_se>second: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
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07:46<pc213>chris_se, thanks !
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07:47<chris_se>sources.list: only tells debian where to get packages from, doesn't actually change the system
07:47<pc213>chris_se, k
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07:48<chris_se>for example, if you remove non-free from your sources.list, the package firmware-linux-nonfree will remain installed. I wouldn't recommend that however, since then you won't get updates for that package
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08:10<ach>is the wpa supplicant installed
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08:26<berz3rk>Hello world
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08:28<scootergrisen>When i run "sudo apt-get remove libavcodec56" the output says to remove alot of packages like gnome-control-center and stuff like that.
08:28<scootergrisen>How can i remove libavcodec56 without removing other packages?
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08:31<chris_se>you can't
08:32<chris_se>libavcodec56 is a dependency of many packages, and some of those packages are again dependencies of other packages
08:33<chris_se>why do you want to remove it? maybe there's another solution to your underlying problem
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08:37<berz3rk>Eh I want to have linux on my android device
08:37<berz3rk>and use gnome 3.20
08:37<berz3rk>can I only run linux natively via chroot?
08:37<berz3rk>must be way better than VNC right?
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08:40<scootergrisen>I might have updated the package somehow so its not the stable one
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08:41<scootergrisen>So maybe i can downgrade it
08:41<scootergrisen>I have 10:2.6.4-dmo1 and i use Debian Jessie. What does dmo mean?
08:42<chris_se>ah, you've installed a package from deb-multimedia.org
08:42<scootergrisen>I properly updated it because i nedded to build something that needed a newer version then the one comming with jessie
08:43<chris_se>so downgrading from deb-multimedia is a real pain; it's possible, but highly non-trivial
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08:43<scootergrisen>If i run "sudo apt-get install libavcodec56=6:11.6-1~deb8u1" is ask to uninstall alot of packages
08:43<chris_se>scootergrisen, the reason is that apt by default doesn't want to downgrade stuff
08:43<scootergrisen>Can't i just downgrade wihtout having to uninstall anything?
08:44<scootergrisen>Ok. what about aptitude og synaptics?
08:44<chris_se>so if you force-downgrade libavcode56, it isn't compatible with some other package you have installed anymore
08:44<chris_se>and because the only ways to make it compatible would be to downgrade or uninstall it, apt opts for uninstallation
08:45<chris_se>so what you could do:
08:45<chris_se>(not tested, ymmv)
08:46<chris_se>1) create a file /etc/apt/preferences.d/deb-multimedia
08:46<chris_se>with the following contents:
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08:46<chris_se>http://paste.debian.net/418835/
08:47<chris_se>that will make sure that if a package is present in both deb-multimedia and debian itself, it will by default prefer the debian version (for all future package installations, won't affect already installed packages yet)
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08:47<scootergrisen>Ok but i, trying to fix the allready install... but maybe the programs i have build my self wont work is i downgrade anyway....
08:47<chris_se>2) create a file /etc/apt/preferences.d/temp-downgrade with the following contents: http://paste.debian.net/418836/
08:48<scootergrisen>I dont understand why i can run jessie and be able to build newest version of the software i want
08:48<chris_se>once you have created both files, try again: aptitude install libavcodec56/jessie
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08:49<scootergrisen>Will that downgrade the once i already have?
08:49<chris_se>scootergrisen, yes, that should, but ONLY if the /etc/apt/preferences.d/temp-downgrade exists
08:49<scootergrisen>Another question. When can i use GNOME 3.20 in Debian?
08:50<chris_se>also note that _AFTER_ the downgrade you should remove the /etc/apt/preferences.d/temp-downgrade and do a system-wide upgrade again, otherwise you won't get security updates anymore
08:51<chris_se>GNOME 3.20 is only in Debian experimental so far (since yesterday or so)
08:51<chris_se>it will probably be in Stretch in the next couple of weeks - but it will never be part of Jessie
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08:52<scootergrisen>What Debian do you use?
08:53<chris_se>mostly Jessie
08:53<scootergrisen>It worked!
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08:53<chris_se>scootergrisen, great. don't forget to remove /etc/apt/preferences.d/temp-downgrade or this _will_ screw up your system
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08:53<scootergrisen>Its already screwed :)
08:53<chris_se>keep the /etc/apt/preferences.d/deb-multimedia - that will make sure you don't accidentally get deb-multimedia packages again unless you explicitly want them
08:54<scootergrisen>I properly need them to build the software i want
08:54<scootergrisen>Thats properly why i have them
08:54<chris_se>well, if you need them to build some software, then if you downgrade them, the software will most likely not work anymore
08:55<scootergrisen>Yeah i will try in a bit
08:55<chris_se>because usually newer versions mean more features, and if you downgrade, those features will be gone
08:56<chris_se>note, however, that there's libavcodec-ffmpeg-dev in jessie-backports
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08:56<chris_se>which conflicts with the development packages of libavcodec56, but not with the library itself
08:57<chris_se>so maybe you can just use debian backports, see <http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/>, and install libavcodec-ffmpeg-dev from there
08:58<chris_se>(apt-get install -t jessie-backports libavcodec-dev)
08:59<chris_se>this is based on ffmpeg 2.8.6, which is even newer than the 2.6.x you had from deb-multimedia.org
09:00<chris_se>and while you can only install either of the development packages at the same time (libavcodec-dev is different in jessie and jessie-backports), both libraries for use in software can be installed at the same time
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09:03<scootergrisen>What do developers do when they need to build the newest version of they software?
09:03<scootergrisen>Don't they use a stable Debian?
09:04<grove>Probably not very often
09:04<chris_se>depends on what software they're working on
09:05<chris_se>a lot of software that people develop is designed to run on older systems (e.g. long term support releases of many distributions), so if they depend on things that aren't even in debian jessie (which isn't _that_ old), then their software will not work on even older systems (such as e.g. Ubunut 14.04 or RHEL 6 or something like that)
09:06<scootergrisen>When i want to build something like maybe Audacity or what ever i often get complains that the versions i get with apt-get are to old then the once Audacity needs
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09:06<chris_se>there are other developers who don't care about that and they just always want the newest things - and so their software won't easily work on distributions that are even just 6 months old
09:07<chris_se>scootergrisen, debian comes with audacity
09:07<chris_se>apt-get install audacity ;-)
09:07<scootergrisen>Yeah but i want to build the newest version from git or something
09:07<scootergrisen>Because i translate some software so i would like to test the translations in the newest versions
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09:08<chris_se>well, if the audacity developers only want to support the very newest distributions, then debian stable may not be the right distribution to work on that then
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09:08<chris_se>debian testing (currently stretch) would probably be more appropriate - note though that you _can_ run stuff in virtual machines for these kinds of things
09:09<chris_se>and, as I mentioned, for some things there are official backports of newer versions, that hopefully don't screw up your system in contrast to 3rd-party repositories
09:09<scootergrisen>Do developers normally from stuff in virtual machines?
09:09<scootergrisen>Its just hard to understand everything
09:09<chris_se>developers are not a homogeneous group, it really depends
09:10<chris_se>my guess is that many developers of software that you run into trouble with just use a rolling release distribution, such as gentoo, arch or even debian testing
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09:10<chris_se>or they compile the dependencies they have themselves and install it into a separate path (which is complicated, but possible to do)
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09:12<Wulf>Hello!
09:12<scootergrisen>Yeah i would like to just have everything in a folder that does not effect anything outside the folder
09:12<scootergrisen>:) Hi
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09:13<Wulf>What is a good way to setup an environment where I can build packages?
09:13<towo`>pbuilder? cowbuilder?
09:14<chris_se>scootergrisen, well, you could do ./configure --prefix=/home/user/mystuff for the dependencies
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09:14<chris_se>and then do ./configure --prefix=/home/user/mystuff LDFLAGS="-L/home/user/mystuff/lib -Wl,-rpath,/home/user/mystuff/lib" CPPFLAGS="-I/home/user/mystuff/include" for packages depending on it (or just use that line)
09:15<chris_se>(adapt that for other build systems accordingly)
09:15<Wulf>towo`: thank you
09:16<chris_se>scootergrisen, you probably also need to adapt the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable and similar things
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09:18<scootergrisen>Ok. So will they show up in apt-get aptitude synaptics when i do like that?
09:18<chris_se>no
09:18<chris_se>of course not ;)
09:18<chris_se>but they will be contained in /home/user/mystuff
09:18<scootergrisen>So i can just delete the folder without problems?
09:18<chris_se>yes
09:18<scootergrisen>Ok i will try and remember that
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09:19<chris_se>note that getting the configure line right is not completely trivial depending on what you want to compile
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09:19<chris_se>(if you do it like that)
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09:24<scootergrisen>Are you from sweden?
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09:25<chris_se>me? no
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09:26<scootergrisen>yeah
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09:26<scootergrisen>Romania
09:27<chris_se>no? I'm from germany
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09:27<scootergrisen>oh ok the whois says Romania
09:28<chris_se>that's where the server where I connected to is
09:28<scootergrisen>haha and my whois says USA
09:28<scootergrisen>oh ok
09:28<chris_se>(also, this is getting off topic)
09:29<scootergrisen>yep
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09:32<scootergrisen>I managed to build audacity so it works with the "new" versions
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09:52<scootergrisen>thnkas
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10:02<eaglex>hey
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10:04<scootergrisen>hi
10:04<aluno>oi
10:05<aluno>comota
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10:06<aluno>como e teu nome
10:08<aluno>ai
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10:10<aluno>feio
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10:12<aluno>nuiheg9wudhgeohdpqciweh8984ri
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10:13<scootergrisen>How can i search for all files in Files?
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10:16<scootergrisen>Why cant i search for all files in Files with *
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10:19<BILLYMER>hello
10:19<pjotter>hello
10:20<BILLYMER>i am new here?
10:20<pjotter>me to
10:20<BILLYMER>ok
10:20<BILLYMER>good
10:21<BILLYMER>i dont understand
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10:21<pjotter>Me neither, but still learning
10:21<BILLYMER>good
10:21<pjotter>What not to understand?
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10:23<BILLYMER>a lote of word and signe
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10:41<Samouy>Hello, I am looking for people who have a Dell XPS 13 with Debian stable/testing/unstable installed on it
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10:41<Samouy>It seems that the hardware support is good for 2015 model, but there is still few informations about 2016 model
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11:11<ritek>I'm trying to fix a no-sound issue in Debian stable (Jessie) on Lenovo T460s, and I found the suggested approach is to edit the file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf. But is it OK to create that file if it doesn't exist? (source: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=24500)
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11:23<chris_se>ritek, you can just create it and add those options
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11:25<chris_se>from what I gathered from the link you gave me it'll work the same if you just create that file (whether it will actually help your issue: no idea, I don't have a T460). afterwards, you should reboot btw. (you could reload the driver, but that's more effort than just rebooting imho)
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11:41<ritek>chris_se: thanks. I've tried the approach but no luck. I've read some people even uninstalled PulseAudio but is that really necessary?
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11:44<chris_se>no idea. I've only had good experiences with PulseAudio, but there are some people who _vehemently_ disagree with that assessment
11:44<rex>how to install pulseaudio?
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11:44<chris_se>rex, via apt-get install
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11:44<ritek>pavucontrol helps, though. the volume control it provides shows the volume meter changing when playing some audio in mplayer2. but no audio
11:45<rex>i did
11:45<rex>it says i already have it
11:45<chris_se>ritek, so usually if there is no sound at all, uninstalling/disabling pulseaudio will not help, because there's some underlying issue with the kernel driver
11:45<rex>bt couldnt find it anywhere
11:45<ritek>ahh kernel
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11:45<chris_se>rex, it's then probably already running in the background for you
11:46<rex>oh ok thanks
11:46<chris_se>ritek, so the thing is: it might just be some option you need to set (the link you posted here was to change some option for the kernel driver), it might be a bug in the driver, it might be some weird aspect of your hardware that isn't yet implemented
11:46<ritek>rex: ps aux | grep pulseaudio <--- might confirm pulseaudio is running
11:46<rex>ok
11:47<chris_se>ritek, what does the following give you? alsamixer -D hw:0
11:47<chris_se>(if it's the wrong card, try hw:1, hw:2, etc. you can exit with "escape")
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11:47<chris_se>(fyi: that bypasses pulseaudio and goes directly to the kernel driver)
11:47<rex>it is running in the background
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11:48<rex>thnk u
11:48<rex>to learn shell script programming what should i do?
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11:49<chris_se>ritek, also, could you paste to https://paste.debian.net/ the output of the following? aplay -l
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11:49<rex>i didnt get any online course on that
11:49<chris_se>rex, look up a good tutorial or book on that
11:49<rex>i didnt find any good tutorials
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11:49<rex>book will take more time plus its boring to read
11:49<anoteng>I'm considering switching upstream sources for one of my packages to a fork of the original project. The original project more or less died. The fork is carried on using the same name, and continuing on the original project's versioning. Is there some preferred way of handeling this, or do I just update the watch and copyright files and continue as before?
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11:50<chris_se>rex, take a look at the links at the bottom of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_script
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11:50<chris_se>anoteng, what do other distributions do?
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11:50<rex>thank u chris_se
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11:50<ritek>chris_se: alsamixer -D hw:0 shows a ncurses interfaces with volume controls for my HDA Intel PCH card
11:51<chris_se>ritek, ok, so at least it's recognized properly, that's a plus :)
11:51<chris_se>is any of the output channels in state "MM"?
11:51<chris_se>(M == muted)
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11:51<chris_se>(OO == open)
11:52<ritek>chris_se: aplay -l output: https://paste.debian.net/418888/
11:52<chris_se>ok, that looks fine
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11:53<ritek>chris_se: only the Speaker one, but I'm using external speakers through the Headphone jack. The Headphone volume control is at 100 in OO state
11:53<chris_se>that seems about right
11:53<ritek>chris_se: Mic, S/PDIF and Beep are muted (MM)
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11:54<ritek>chris_se: there's an Auto-Mute Mode control set to Disabled btw
11:54<chris_se>ritek, yeah, unless you use those, that's fine
11:54<chris_se>so on my desktop system here (also intel audio) it's enabled, try enabling it (the + key)
11:54<chris_se>(disabling is the - key)
11:55<anoteng>chris_se: don't know about any other distro's that have change. I'm still hoping to hear back from the original developer. If I decide that the original project is dead and decide to continue using the fork, should this be indicated somehow in the package?
11:55<ritek>Enabled
11:55<chris_se>ritek, try to play something
11:55<chris_se>anoteng, how long does the original project appear to be dead?
11:55<chris_se>and when was the fork?
11:55<chris_se>and how many people are working on the fork?
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11:56<de>I dont get the difference between hostname and hostnamectl
11:57<chris_se>anoteng, so if it has appeared dead for quite a while now, the fork is also older, and there are a couple of people at least working on the fork, and they are in other ways compatible and follow the same naming convention, I'd just mention it in debian/changelog (new upstream: ...) and be done with it
11:57<de>do I have to change the hostname on both? and what about /etc/host?
11:58<anoteng>chris_se: ok, thanks. I'll give the original maintainer at least a week to reply to my email before I do anything else. I has been very responsive in the past..
11:58<anoteng>he has been..
11:58<chris_se>if it's quite a bit more recent and more likely to be contentious in the future, I might think about changing the source package name, but that's a lot of work (especially since the new one has to go though NEW and you have to remove the old binaries etc. and you have to talk to the release team about testing migration etc.)
11:58<chris_se>de, hostname changes the hostname for the running system, but won't store that for reboots
11:59<ritek>chris_se: no sound. btw I think this is also relevant: .asoundrc (https://paste.debian.net/418889/) and /proc/asound/cards (https://paste.debian.net/418891/)
11:59<teatime>I dunno what hostnamectl is. hostname does two only vaguely-related things, one is the 'system hostname' aka nis/yp hostname which predates DNS and isn't technically related.
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11:59<chris_se>hostnamectl is a systemd-based utility that also records it permanently
11:59<chris_se>(if you have that installed)
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11:59<teatime>the other is hostname --fqdn which involves dns (system hostname -> addr -> revdns lookup -> fqdn hostname)
11:59<teatime>so that usually ends up set via /etc/hosts
12:00<anoteng>may 20 was the last release, but the list of bugs hasn't been followed up since... A lot of them has instead been fixed in the fork.
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12:00<chris_se>anoteng, well, then it's kind of up to your judgment
12:01<chris_se>ritek, why do you even have a .asoundrc?
12:01<chris_se>also, wheezy or jessie or stretch?
12:01<anoteng>ok, appreciate your input.
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12:02<de>teatime: do I have to set the hostname editing /etc/hosts?
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12:02<teatime>de: the hostname (the one that's usually one word like "jupiter") is set from /etc/hostname on boot
12:03<teatime>de: if you want "hostname --fqdn" to return something reasonable also, you generally set that up via /etc/hosts
12:03<Algiuxas>Hello
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12:03<de>teatime: what do you mean with "reasonable"?
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12:04<chris_se>anoteng, I would probably side with just using the new upstream and just mentioning it in debian/changelog (you have to edit debian/control anyway for new Homepage URI etc.) - because even if the old upstream becomes active again, you'll likely be able to switch back - and if real bugs are fixed only in the fork, that's probably better for your users
12:04<teatime>I.. actually don't know what it does if misconfigured and can't look up a name.
12:04<teatime>probably just returns the short hostname.
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12:05<chris_se>ritek, so your .asoundrc doesn't look wrong, but could you rename it just to see if that helps?
12:05<ritek>chris_se: yes, I've just wrote it before: https://paste.debian.net/418889/
12:05<anoteng>yea, that's what I'm thinking too. Still wan to give the orig author a chance to reply first though..
12:05<teatime>de: if you have a static IP addr, you can add "1.2.3.4 hostname.example.com hostname" to /etc/hosts to make hostname --fqdn work; for dynamic/roaming, add 127.0.1.1 to iface lo and use that instead.
12:05<ritek>chris_se: Jessie
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12:05<ritek>chris_se: will try
12:05<chris_se>anoteng, yeah, sure, that was implied
12:07<teatime>de: here are some quickly-chosen writeups: http://jblevins.org/log/hostname https://www.movealong.org/hostname.html
12:09<chris_se>ritek, well, what you could try is log out, switch to a text console, kill all pulseaudio instances and run aplay -D hw:0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Side_Right.wav to see if sound works without pulseaudio
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12:09<donald>hello
12:09<chris_se>then you can at least rule out something
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12:09<donald>apt-get install virtualbox-ose
12:09<chris_se>but otherwise: sorry, no idea, everything else seems to be in order - other than trying a backports kernel I don't have any new suggestions for you, anoteng
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12:10<donald>https://paste.debian.net/418894/
12:10<chris_se>a package of that name isn't part of debian (jessie/stretch/sid at least)
12:11<chris_se>ah, it's only in wheezy
12:11<chris_se>probably because in jessie it's just called virtualbox (in the contrib section)
12:11<chris_se>,v virtualbox
12:11<judd>Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u5; squeeze-backports: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.32-dfsg-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.32-dfsg-1+deb8u2; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1;
12:11<judd>jessie-backports/contrib: 5.0.16-dfsg-2~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 5.0.16-dfsg-2; stretch/contrib: 5.0.16-dfsg-2
12:12<de>im trying to manually edit /etc/hostname, to do that I tried "sudo geany", but I get: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1, keyGeany: cannot open display
12:12<donald>judd jessie looks present
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12:12<chris_se>donald, virtualbox is, virtualbox-ose isn't; but already in wheezy virtualbox-ose was just a transitional packet
12:12<chris_se>so you need to install virtualbox instead of virtualbox-ose
12:12<de>sudo gedit returns the same error
12:13<chris_se>de, try gksudo instead of graphical programs
12:13<donald>chris-se how to get a entierely free software virtualbox
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12:15<de>chris_se: it doesnt open either
12:15<chris_se>donald, well, contrib is free software, but it appears to depend on non-free stuff. no idea what exactly, would have to look that up
12:16<donald>what do you mean by it appears to depend
12:16<donald>?
12:16<donald>does it help you https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions ?
12:16<teatime>I think the definition of contrib is "free software that depends on packages from non-free"
12:16<chris_se>teatime, yes, that's what I meant
12:16<towo`>vbox is full gpl
12:17<towo`>but for building it, a non-free packages is needed
12:17<towo`>so that's why vbox is in contrib
12:17<de>I am now using ubuntu, am I asking in the wrong channel?
12:17<towo`>donald, and there is only one edition of vbox
12:17<towo`>de nyes
12:18<donald>towo no there are vb4 and vb5
12:18<towo`>donald, that are versions, no editions
12:19<donald>oh right
12:19<de>ok, so I followed what teatime pasted (first link, http://jblevins.org/log/hostname and changed hostname, but when i try "sudo service hostname start" I get: Failed to start hostname.service: Unit hostname.service is masked
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12:20<teatime>de: after editing /etc/hostname you can just use the hostname command to set the hostname; I'm not sure hostname.service is supposed to work. `man hostname`
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12:20<chris_se>towo`, what is a bit surprising to me is that if I look at <https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/v/virtualbox/control-4.3.32-dfsg-1%2Bdeb8u2> (the current debian/control file in Jessie for virtualbox) all the build-deps are in main
12:21<teatime>sigh I guess I'll have to learn about systemd init eventually.
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12:21<chris_se>the only thing I see is that Binary: virtualbox Suggests: virtualbox-guest-additions-iso, which is in non-free - maybe that's the reason?
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12:23<chris_se>ah no, https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox got it. they just don't appear to recompile the BIOS in the package itself and just package it
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12:24<ritek>chris_se: no luck. actually pulseaudio is automatically being restarted after killing its instance. and aplay says "aplay: main:722: audio open error: Device or resource busy"
12:24<de>why on earth do I have 2 "hostname" files under /etc?
12:25<de>there should just be one...
12:25<towo`>chris_se, The virtualbox-* packages were moved to contrib at VirtualBox 4.2, as a non-free compiler (Open Watcom) is required to build the BIOS. https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox
12:25<teatime>well you *can't* have two with the same name. so what are they called?
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12:26<chris_se>ritek, that's why I suggested to log out and re-login on a text console
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12:27<chris_se>towo`, yeah, I read that later. I just didn't expect them to just package the binary bios and would have thought the compiler would be in the build-deps - but apparently it's so non-free that it can't even be in debian's non-free
12:27<ritek>chris_se: I did that. Logout -> shows the login screen -> switch to a text console -> login -> kill pulseaudio -> run aplay
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12:28<chris_se>ritek, ah, try pasuspender -- aplay -D hw:0 ...
12:28<chris_se>(in pulseaudio-utils)
12:30<donald>I finally decide to use virt-manager
12:31<donald>I have already done: apt-get install virt-manager libvirt-daemon-system
12:31<ritek>chris_se: aplay: set_params:1239: Channels count non available
12:31<donald>click in file/ new virtual machine
12:32<ritek>chris_se: that's the same output as uninstalling PulseAudio btw
12:32<ritek>I've just reinstalled it anyway (to test the pasuspender)
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12:33<donald>and here I can see "warning: KVM is not disponiblethat may means kvm is not installed or the hearth module lf kvm are not loaded. You virtual machines migh not run.
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12:33<donald>what is the name of the pakage I need?
12:33<jmcnaught>ddonald: add your user to the "libvirt" group, logout, log back in
12:34<ritek>chris_se: runnning it again it shows: Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
12:34<ritek>but it just keeps showing that without finishing
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12:35<canaima>hola alguien al chat
12:35<donald>jmcnaught: with chown user 7000 and I do not know what after?
12:35<ritek>sorry, it doesn't finish because I ran aplay without args
12:35<ritek>chris_se: with -D hw:0 yes, it shows the error I wrote
12:36<ritek>canaima: english would help you get a response
12:36<jmcnaught>donald: where did you get chown user? "adduser donald libvirt"
12:37<canaima>gente al chat
12:37<ritek>canaima: also just ask your question, someone might be able to help (you might have to wait, just patience)
12:37<jmcnaught>!es
12:37<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
12:37<donald>When invoked without the -D option, the useradd command creates a new user account using the values specified on the command line
12:37<donald>why do you want I do that?
12:38<jmcnaught>donald: just use adduser, where are you getting these commands from?
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12:39<donald>jmcnaught I will do it but I would like to understand what taht does before
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12:41<jmcnaught>donald: https://wiki.debian.org/KVM note that this page also recommends adding oneself to the kvm group, but this is not necessary if you will only be using libvirt and not qemu commands.
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12:41<donald>I do not use any command, I do it graphically
12:43<donald>The daemon libvirt-bin daemon will start automatically at boot time and load the appropriate kvm modules, kvm-amd or kvm-intel, which are shipped with the Linux kernel Debian package. If you intend to create VMs from the command-line, install virtinst.
12:43<jmcnaught>donald: after installing libvirt-daemon-system and virt-manager, you add your user to the libvirt group with this command "adduser my_username libvirt" then after logging out and back in, you will be able to create new VMs with virt-manager
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12:43<chris_se>ritek, sorry, no idea then...
12:44<chris_se>you could try a backports kernel if you're using stable, otherwise ask perhaps in some sound-specific irc channel
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12:50<ritek>chris_se: no problem. thanks for your help and time
12:51<ritek>yeah, need to keep looking
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12:53<donald>hello
12:53<donald>again
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12:54<donald>that is a pain I can not run virt-manager since I have done adduser user libvirt
12:55<jmcnaught>donald: what is the error? when you type "groups" on the command line, is libvirt in the output?
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12:57<donald>$ group
12:57<donald>bash: group : commande introuvable
12:57<donald>bash: group: command not found
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12:57<jmcnaught>donald: groups with an s
12:59<donald>user cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin scanner bluetooth libvirt
13:00<jmcnaught>donald: the error in virt-manager is the same as before? are the kvm modules loaded? "lsmod | grep kvm"
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13:06<donald>$ lsmod | grep kvm
13:06<donald>kvm 330411 0
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13:07<chris_se>no kvm_intel and/or kvm_amd?
13:07<chris_se>if not: you probably need to enable KVM support in your BIOS
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13:08<chris_se>(which can be called lots of things depending on your bios)
13:08<donald>I do not know
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13:09<chris_se>so if lsmod | grep kvm doesn't show kvm_intel or kvm_amd, your bios disables the processor features required
13:09<chris_se>what mainboard do you have?
13:09<chris_se>with that information we can tell you what the bios option to enable it is called
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13:17<donald>I do not know
13:18<donald>can you just tell me what I need to change and the bios and how to cancel the changes?
13:19<chris_se>sorry, without your motherboard model I have no idea what the option is called - usually something with "Virtualization"
13:20<chris_se>with intel processors you can also look for "VT-x"
13:20<chris_se>and on amd for "AMD-V"
13:20<chris_se>("VT-d" is something else btw.)
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13:33<thehateful1>the devil is shy or a fake account
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13:52<donald>chris_se why did you told me to use adduser command?
13:53<chris_se>I didn't, that was somebody else
13:54<donald>sorry I mean jmcnaught
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13:57<jmcnaught>donald: because you need to be a member of the libvirt group to use libvirt. adduser does that.
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14:01<donald>jmcnaught why do I need that?
14:01<jmcnaught>donald: if you want to use libvirt, your user needs to have permission to use libvirt. being a member of the libvirt group gives your user permission.
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14:02<donald>jmcnaught why do I need that?
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14:03<jmcnaught>donald: i recommend you read some libvirt and/or basic Debian documentation
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14:11<donald>jmcnaught I just want a running debian I have another think nice to do too
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14:12<donald>wait
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14:13<donald>https://paste.debian.net/418952/
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14:16<jmcnaught>donald: you can turn that libvirt network on in the virt-manager interface, or with "virsh -c qemu:///system net-start default"
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14:24<donald>nice thanks
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14:24<donald>do you think use "deluser libvirt" is a good idea ?
14:25<jmcnaught>donald: no
14:25<donald>why?
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14:26<jmcnaught>donald: do the reverse of the adduser command you used earlier to remove user from a group: "deluser myusername libvirt" You should also read the adduser and deluser man pages
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14:27<donald>jmcnaught:done but kvm is still non-disponible
14:28<jmcnaught>donald: then why do you want to remove libvirt user/group?
14:30<donald>because I am not sure I need it
14:31<jmcnaught>donald: if you want to use libvirt then you need it. You need to read some documentation instead of experimenting with trial and error. For general Debian knowledge please see https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/index.fr.html
14:31<jmcnaught>donald: for libvirt there are libvirt and KVM pages on the Debian wiki, as well as libvirt's website.
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14:32<donald>thank
14:33<donald>jmcnaught: you are really nice but I think spend a lot of time to use a system is such a time wasting
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14:35<donald>jmcnaught but I have already installed qmu-kvm
14:35<donald>because I can not install it anymore
14:36<jmcnaught>donald: often it's a waste of time to do trial and error while refusing to refer to the docs. anyways, it also seems you cannot use virtualization at all on this computer because it is disabled in your BIOS.
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14:40<donald>I have to rember it...
14:40<donald>so yes I have to do it and you are a great help
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14:44<donald>before reboot to change the bios, why do I get two differents types of error with virt-manager and gnome-box?
14:44<donald>jmcnaught
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14:51<donald>hello
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14:52<donald>during the computer's closing I met teh terminal that wrote "debianwheezy guest is closing, 300 sec before force the extnction"
14:52<donald>what does it mean?
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14:53<jmcnaught>donald: this is your computer trying to shut down the guest VM
14:53<donald>of course but I have already closed it
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14:55<donald>jmcnaught: in every case speak to you was really enriching
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14:56<jmcnaught>donald: closing the window that displays the guest VM's console is not the same as shutting it down. VMs can run in the background
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14:56<donald>ps
14:56<donald>and kill ;)
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15:40<ryouma>what is the most powerful intel graphics that debian comfortably supports or will soon support? i'd like an open source driver and the ability to do 4k and play movies without stuttering.
15:40<ryouma>hd graphics 4600?
15:41<ryouma>(i.e. i5 like 4590, 4690k, etc.)
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15:43<chris_se>define "debian"
15:43<chris_se>if you use a kernel from backports + xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports on stable (or use testing directly), skylake is supported
15:44<ryouma>chris_se: i use jessie with occasional backports
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15:46<ryouma>i thought skylake was an architecture? i don't know how that relates to video (2d) performance.
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15:48<chris_se>well, yeah, but you were asking about intel graphics models
15:48<chris_se>4600 or so is haswell, most of which works out of the box with jessie
15:48<ryouma>ok, i'm getting the vague idea that (1) 530 is more powerful than 4600 and (2) skylake is the only one that supports 530. is that what you meant?
15:49<chris_se>skylake is the next one (chronologically), which needs newer kernel + driver from backports (and some mobile haswell also needs backports I've heard)
15:49<ryouma>is 4600 powerful enough to run a 4k monitor and play videos without stuttering?
15:49<ryouma>i don't mind backports
15:49<chris_se>4600: no idea, sorry
15:50<chris_se>probably
15:50<ryouma>thanks
15:50<chris_se>I only have a 1920x1200 monitor, and video playback is NOT an issue with 4600 at all
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15:51<chris_se>so I assume 4600 should be sufficient for 4k, but I'm not going to guarantee it
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15:54<chris_se>according to a quick internet search, 4600 should be sufficient for 4k, BUT I assume they are testing with windows. AFAIK the _Intel_ linux driver is mostly comparable to the windows driver, so it should work, but if you want to be on the safe side, grab a skylake model (530)
15:54<chris_se>also: with integrated graphics, at least 8 GiB RAM is recommended for 4k (preferably more)
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16:07<ArchLun88>motherfucka
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16:19<ryouma>chris_se: thanks for those comments
16:20<chris_se>np
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16:51<ryouma>chris_se: i probably mainly want to run 1440p, but maybe 4k
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17:20<smallFry>hello, where's the best place to find help with a package installation failure?
17:21<__z>smallFry: #debiannewbs
17:21<mtn>smallFry: here if you are using debian
17:21<smallFry>lol. ok. thanks @__z
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17:22<smallFry>thanks @mtn.
17:23<smallFry>i'm running debian jessie (upgraded from wheezy, followed the official guide). netfilter-persistent package fails to install.
17:23<smallFry>via apt
17:23<sney>!bat
17:23<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
17:23<Maulkin>What's the exact error message?
17:23<Maulkin>Or that, yes.
17:24<smallFry>i'll get you that error message. iirc, it was something about the start and stop commands being depricated, which causes the package to be "partially installed"
17:25<Maulkin>smallFry: If you can also add your /etc/apt/sources.list to the paste, that would be good
17:26<smallFry>no worries.
17:26<Maulkin>smallFry: which package is it?
17:26<Maulkin>(to start with)
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17:33<smallFry>here's the paste: http://paste.debian.net/418999/
17:33<smallFry>netfilter-persistent (dependancy of the iptables-persistent package, which I want to install)
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17:35<chris_se>smallFry, could you paste (via paste.debian.net) the output of: journalctl -u systemd-modules-load.service
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17:36<chris_se>(there's some problem with loading kernel modules, but the message is cut off)
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17:38<smallFry>yeah, i see that now. i'll try to adjust the terminal so it shows the full line.
17:38<chris_se>journalctl -u should wrap
17:38<smallFry>i'm running this on a linode, fyi (so maybe there's a problem in there).
17:39<chris_se>could be. so probably something tries to load some module and that's not possible. so first we need to identify what is trying to be loaded and then determine where from
17:39<chris_se>and if it's not necessary, we just disable that, so that systemd-modules-load.service succeeds
17:40<chris_se>I assume you're using a Xen DomU instance there, right?
17:40<chris_se>(according to WP, they also provide KVM now)
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17:40<smallFry>http://paste.debian.net/419000/ here's the output of 'journalctl -u systemd-modules-load.service'
17:41<smallFry>it's a kvm instance (converted from xen a while back)
17:42<chris_se>well, from the message it looks like that you don't have the kernel modules corresponding to your kernel installed, which is why the service fails
17:42<chris_se>it appears to be a custom linode kernel
17:42<smallFry>i'm googling some of these messages to see what i can do to fix.
17:42<chris_se>does /lib/modules/4.5.0-x86_64-linode65 exist on your system?
17:42<chris_se>(modules.dep.bin inside obviously does not, but maybe at least the directory does?)
17:42<smallFry>i'll check.
17:43<chris_se>also, my guess is the command uname -r gives you 4.5.0-x86_64-linode65, right?
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17:45<chris_se>smallFry, I found this: http://maxvt.net/2015/09/13/linode-iptables-persistent.html
17:45<chris_se>so apparently linode uses a custom kernel with stuff built in that's not installed in the instance itself, so no /lib/modules/something
17:45<smallFry>the /lib/modules/4.5.0-x86_64-linode65/ directory exists, the only file inside is modules.dep with size 0
17:45<smallFry>i'll check that link
17:45<chris_se>what you want to do is remove the "loop" line from /etc/modules
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17:46<smallFry>hmm. i'll try that. strange :-/
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17:48<chris_se>also, netfilter-persistent.service appears to be buggy, because it requires systemd-modules-load.service and doesn't just want it
17:49<chris_se>so another possible fix could be: copy https://sources.debian.net/data/main/i/iptables-persistent/1.0.4/systemd/netfilter-persistent.service into /etc/systemd/system/netfilter-persistent.service
17:49<chris_se>that will override the service that comes with the jessie version of the package (the link I gave you is from stretch, where the bug is fixed) and then it should work
17:49<smallFry>yeah. i think the error was due to that linode kernel module strangeness. the warning about the service start/stop actions was not causing it to fail.
17:49<smallFry>i learned something new today :)
17:50<chris_se>see also: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=780407
17:50<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/780407 in netfilter-persistent (closed, security): «netfilter-persistent: boot continues if netfilter-persistent fails»; severity: important; opened: 2015-03-13; last modified: 2016-02-05.
17:50<smallFry>i comented out the loop line in /etc/modules
17:50<smallFry>i'll check it out.
17:51<chris_se>smallFry, that may not work in your case with the loop line because from the output you pasted it appears to be the case that the service fails because modules.dep.bin is not present in that directory...
17:51<chris_se>I'd probably just replace the systemd service with that from stretch...
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17:59<smallFry>it looks like the "loop" driver is built into the linode kernel, so commenting out the line in /etc/modules works for the kernel i'm running
18:00<smallFry>just tested this by creating a file, running losetup to bind it to one of the /dev/loop* files, etc. it all worked as expected.
18:01<chris_se>if linode were to provide a modules.builtin file for your kernel, it would also work with the entry
18:01<smallFry>yeah, i don't know why they do that.
18:01<smallFry>*don't do that*
18:01<chris_se>well, they provide the kernel completely externally it seems, which makes it difficult to change something *within* the image (where _you_ have root)
18:02<chris_se>(they could of course boot with an initramfs that dynamically creates it before handing control over to the system...)
18:02<smallFry>that's because it's their default kernel. i'm free to use a custom kernel, but at this point i'd rather use theirs
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18:04<chris_se>well, now at least you know that if you have any trouble with kernel modules, where you should look (you won't be able to load any modules on your system because none are installed; everything that's not built in to the kernel they provide you will not be usable for you. OTOH they probably built in most of what you'd ever need in a system like that)
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18:06<smallFry>yeah. i think it's just something i need to be more aware of going forward. thanks for the help!
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18:07<chris_se>np
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18:25<alumno>eeee
18:25<stefon>Hello everybody. I'm having a question concerning wether or not filing a bug to the debian bugtracker. I'm using a lenovo t460 notebook and there are two problems concerning suspend and the trackpoint. For both problems there exist kernel bug tracker entries. Does this mean that there is no need for a debian bug or would it be helpfull to file a new debian bug against the kernel I use? thx for the
18:25<stefon>help
18:25<alumno>hello
18:26<chris_se>stefon, please check if there are debian bugs open for this, but if there really aren't, then it might be good to file some
18:26<chris_se>just so that it can be tracked also within debian
18:26<alumno>todo bien
18:26<stefon>I will check for that. If i really find no bug entry, you think i should create a new debian bug entry (of course with a link to the kernel bug entry)?
18:26<chris_se>just be sure to open them with the tags "upstream" (meaning: this affects upstream and not only debian) and provide a link to the kernel bugtracker
18:27<chris_se>if there really is no entry: yes, it's a good idea to open a bug
18:27<stefon>perfect. thx for the help. I'll do that
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18:27<chris_se>just be sure to look for kernel bugs in the src:linux source package
18:27<alumno>goobay
18:28<chris_se>(see: <https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=linux> - warning: takes forever to load; if you get a 500 internal server error, try again a couple of minutes later)
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18:29<chris_se>stefon, also, if somebody else already opened a kernel bug but there is no link to the upstream bug, send an email to that bug report and mention that link, that is always helpful
18:29<chris_se>the presence of a bug report in debian might help other debian users if they encounter the bug themselves
18:30<stefon>@chris_se I'll have a look at the link you posted and create a new entry/enhance the existing one if there exists one
18:30<chris_se>just note that the debian kernel maintainers are very busy and there are so many things reported against the kernel that it might take a while until they get to it (if at all)
18:31<chris_se>anyway, hope that somebody resolves those bugs upstream soon
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18:32<stefon>chris_se: I don't expect them to make my problem their priority :-) as you say: an entry may help to track the problem. The bug entry in the kernel bug tracker indicate that there will be a fix upstream
18:33<ArtGravity>anyone have a good resource on using php5 curl with ssl and ca-certificates.crt properly in Debian Jessie?
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18:37<pseudo>hmm
18:38<chris_se>ArtGravity, well, if the CA of the site you're trying to access is included in ca-certificates.crt, php (including the curl extension) will automatically access it correctly
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18:38<chris_se>so for example, doing a curl request to https://www.google.com/ will succeed out of the box
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18:40<chris_se>ArtGravity, if the server you're connecting to is not signed by a CA in the default store, you can use either curl_set_opt with CURLOPT_CAINFO to specify the PEM file of the CA you're using - or CURLOPT_CAPATH to specify a directory
18:41<chris_se>alternatively, if you don't want to verify the CA, you can curl_setopt CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER to false - but I would NOT recommend that because then that is open to man in the middle...
18:41<ArtGravity>I don't like that one either. :)
18:41<chris_se>(I haven't tried if CURLOPT_CAINFO works with self-signed certificates, but it could)
18:41<ArtGravity>This is on a commercial cert
18:41<ArtGravity>I'm testing the remote server over at Qualys SSL LAbs now
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18:43<chris_se>well, on a system where you have the 'ca-certificates' package installed, php (both curl and just directly fopen/file_get_contents/...) picks up the certificates in the system path automatically
18:43<ArtGravity>That's what I thought but it doesn't seem to be working
18:44<ArtGravity>I ran dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates after update-ca-certificates had old certs that were not removed.
18:44<ArtGravity>That cleaned up the old certs, but curl is still not successfully verifying the remote cert.
18:45<chris_se>could you try the following command?
18:45<chris_se>openssl s_client -CAfile /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt -verify 10 -verify_return_error -connect HOSTNAME:443
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18:45<chris_se>replace HOSTNAME with the host name you want to connect to
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18:46<chris_se>(if you don't get a prompt but just a --- line and before that "Verify return code: 0 (ok)", then press Ctrl+C, then it succeeded)
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18:47<ArtGravity>I did get Verify return code: 0 (ok)
18:48<ArtGravity>But I also see 'verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate'
18:49<chris_se>could you paste the very top lines _before_ the first ------ BEGIN CERTIFICATE ---- of that output to https://paste.debian.net/ ? (you can replace the host name you want to connect to, but please keep the CA names intact)
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18:49<chris_se>(the stuff after the BEGIN CERTIFICATE is not necessary)
18:50<ArtGravity>It didn't have the BEGIN CERTIFICATE
18:50<ArtGravity>I'll paste the output and get you a link to it
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18:51<ArtGravity>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c96f2bd0/
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18:54<chris_se>well, this is weird. my openssl also doesn't like that remote, but my browser does...
18:54<ArtGravity>same here
18:54<chris_se>what's even weirder is that the CA openssl has at depth=2 is different
18:54<chris_se>wtf?
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18:56<ArtGravity>Maybe I should talk to their API integration support about it.
18:56<ArtGravity>I just wanted to be sure it wasn't something in my Debain configuration.
18:57<chris_se>give me a couple of minutes, I'll try to run a network trace on that
18:57<chris_se>because funnily enough, gnutls-cli likes it (e.g. "gnutls-cli hostname", if no error, press Ctrl+C)
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18:58<chris_se>ah, now I understand: the page you got there does a HTTP redirect to another page, so the certificate in my browser is different because I'm looking at the redirected page
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18:58<chris_se>now I just need to figure out why openssl doesn't like that certificate but gnutls does
18:58<chris_se>(and the browsers do as well, it appears)
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19:00<chris_se>ah, got it
19:01<chris_se>ArtGravity, it's a bug on the part of the web page you are visiting
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19:01<ArtGravity>If you want to see the same cert in a browser you need to hit the full URL to avoid the redirect.
19:01<chris_se>ah no
19:01<ArtGravity>https://www.usaepay.com/secure/gate.php
19:02<chris_se>actually it's more complicated than that
19:02<ArtGravity>I'm working with their PHP Library
19:02<ArtGravity>https://github.com/usaepay/usaepay-php
19:02<vortek>my sound is muted but whwn i hit my backspace key or hit the down arrow when i get to bottum of list my computer makes a LOUD beep noise i mean its lie realy loud, how can i trun it down?
19:02<chris_se>so the root CA is 1024bit (insecure, that's why it was removed), the intermediate CA has a longer key (hence still considered secure), however, openssl fails to verify certificates if the intermediate CA is in the cert store but the root CA was removed
19:03<chris_se>there's a debian bug open for it, see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=812708
19:03<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/812708 in ca-certificates (open): «Alternative chain verification failure after 1024b root CAs removal»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-01-25; last modified: 2016-03-01.
19:03<ArtGravity>chris_se: That is the same problem I hit on another site with PHP and CURL
19:03<ArtGravity>I had to make CURL use the bundle from the CURL site
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19:04<ArtGravity>Looks like I may have to go that route on this too until they update that cert
19:04<chris_se>so what you can do is temporarily downgrade (and hold) ca-certificates
19:04<ArtGravity>I'd rather just make this instance use an alternate bundle until it's fixed. :)
19:05<chris_se>or that
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19:05<ArtGravity>I can make that happen easily enough now that I know that is the situation.
19:05<chris_se>you should subscribe to that bug report (email 812708-subscribe@bugs.debian.org ) so you can get notified once it's fixed
19:05<ArtGravity>Thanks for looking at this with me.
19:05<chris_se>no problem. wouldn't have expected this kind of bug in openssl :(
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19:06<ArtGravity>I point the finger at the site operators for having lax certificate policies. :)
19:06<chris_se>actually no, they're doing nothing wrong
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19:07<chris_se>they want to support older clients, so the CA has an intermediate (strong) certificate signed by the original root one that can be found in older clients - and the server delivers a chain starting from the weak root, via strong intermediate, up to the site cert itself
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19:08<chris_se>newer clients have the strong intermediate in their cert store, so they should be able to verify the site directly (and not care about the additional level of the weak cert)
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19:08<chris_se>gnutls and nss (the latter is used by many browsers) do this properly - openssl apparently doesn't, see that bug
19:09<chris_se>having an additional level of root does not cryptographically reduce security for modern clients that don't have the weak root in their store but just have the strong intermediate one - unless you run into a bug such as this
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19:10<foo>hey guys, what package provides /etc/init.d/networking under Debian jessie?
19:10<chris_se>dpkg -S /etc/init.d/networking
19:10<dpkg>Dingos ate my /etc/init.d/networking!
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19:10<chris_se>(ifupdown is the answer)
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19:11<foo>chris_se: thanks!
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19:38<vortek>hi my sound i muted but i hear a LOUD beeping noise when i hit my backspace key in irc or i hit the down arrow in something hit beeps lou again whe at bottum of list
19:39<vortek>lou=loud=whe=when
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19:40<vortek>can some1 help me?
19:41<sney>vortek: does it stop if you 'modprobe -r pcspkr'
19:41<vortek>let me try
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19:42<vortek>yes it still does it
19:43<sney>don't know what's causing it then
19:43<vortek>it does it in console to if i hit backspace at the prompt when theres no were to backspace
19:43<vortek>its the ERROR beep i think
19:44<sney>try 'xset b off'
19:44<vortek>ok
19:45<vortek>fixed it thanxs!
19:45<sney>np
19:45<vortek>:)]
19:45<sney>I don't remember how to save that setting permanently but you should be able to search it
19:46<vortek>ok
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19:46<vortek>or i can have it run the command automaticly upon boot
19:47<sney>it doesn't do anything until X loads so it would need to be run by gdm/sddm/xinitrc etc
19:47<vortek>ok
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20:16<gleaker>anyone here using fluxbox by chance?
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20:36<stripe>hi guys is there a way to change the name of the uefi entry when installing? as trying to install jessie and strectch on the same machine and when I install the 2nd one it wipes the uefi entry out for the first one with them both being called debian, any ideas?
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20:44<punkgeek>http://paste.ubuntu.com/15516314/ whats the problem on debian testing?
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20:47<Nemoder_>punkgeek: perhaps you need to apt update first? what does your /etc/sources.list look like?
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20:48<Nemoder_> /etc/apt/sources.list even
20:50<punkgeek>http://paste.ubuntu.com/15516412/
20:50<punkgeek>this is my source list
20:52<Nemoder_>oh.. looks like it was recently removed from testing
20:52<Nemoder_>might have to get it from backports or sid
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20:55<Nemoder_>https://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=amarok
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20:57<punkgeek>how can i install from sid?
20:57<punkgeek>deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free is it good think set on source.list?
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21:42<GLolol>firefox is now in debian unstable... is the same thing going to happen to thunderbird, out of curiosity?
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21:46<somiaj>GLolol: I'm unsure there, most the discussion has been about the firefox transition
21:48<somiaj>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=816679
21:48<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/816679 in icedove (open): «icedove: Please rename icedove to thunderbird»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-03-03; last modified: 2016-03-03.
21:49<somiaj>icedove is more community driven so it may not be on the same schedule for the swtich, but there is a bug in place for it
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22:35<grantwu>Is there a way to restore all the configuration except for the md raid to the out of the box defaults for Jessie?
22:35<grantwu>I need to reinstall a machine, but the machine's USB ports are really flaky and I don't have a netboot server working
22:37<somiaj>grantwu: you could purge all packages that are less priority than standard (optional/extra which is most the system)
22:38<somiaj>grantwu: but there could still be artificats. Do you have an extra partiion on the rad/machine you can install on? You could use debootstrap from an install and create a new one
22:39<grantwu>somiaj: Uh... not really
22:39<grantwu>Wait, would this https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apds03.html.en work?
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22:39<grantwu>Mainly I need to do this because the previous sysadmin is... eccentric and did things like install sysvinit on Jessie
22:40<somiaj>grantwu: that is my debootstrap suggestion. But you need a partition to put the install at
22:40<somiaj>and the hard part about that method is manually making the new install bootable
22:41<grantwu>I have 4 extra disks in the system, but those eventually need to be completely clear
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22:41<grantwu>Could I use those as scratch space at all?
22:42<somiaj>I'm unsure on your setup, but I'm sure you could find a way to use them.
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22:43<somiaj>install to them, make it bootable, boot into the new install, remove the old install, then boot into the new system, from there you could remove the old install and copy it back over
22:43<somiaj>and then you won't need that
22:44<somiaj>another option might be see if you can boot the iso from one of the other drives. Unsure if you could just image the install iso right onto one of the other drives and it be bootable or if you would have to install grub on another drive and have it chain load the debian iso (which might be mroe work)
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22:44<somiaj>but these are just random thoughts and unsure how well any will work out as there will be some manual work involved
22:47<Loquendo18>f
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22:47<Loquendo18>zomber
22:47<grantwu>somiaj: So someone suggested extracting the initrd and vmlinuz image from an install iso, then putting them in the /boot directory and writing a grub config entry
22:47<grantwu>Do you think that would work?
22:48<somiaj>grantwu: I'm unsure on any thing that needs to be done to get an .iso to boot from an harddrive. You'll want it in a location you won't be installing on
22:48<somiaj>grantwu: so I coudln't tell you what is best. I think a new enough grub can boot from an .iso if done right, but unsure here and debian imags seem to be a bit tricker to do this than other distros
22:49<grantwu>somiaj: No, I wouldn't be booting an iso - I'd need to get the vmlinuz and initrd and manually copy it into the /boot directory
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22:54<somiaj>I'm unsure where that would go, because you would still need to boot up the installer
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22:59<Loquendo18>u
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23:01<grantwu>somiaj: I'm not completely sure I understood what my friend said, but I imagine I would just boot it normally and select it from the GRUB boot menu?
23:01<somiaj>I'm unsure either. I do know there are ways to boot the installer from an image on yoru drive if needed
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23:02<somiaj>but I don't know the details
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