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01:00<it-admin>hey guys need some assistance...
01:00<teatime>just ask your q
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01:01<it-admin>how do I resolve this: here is a part of the error message when updating my linux mint 17.2: W: Failed to fetch http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found
01:01<it-admin>E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
01:03<teatime>!ubuntu
01:03<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
01:03<Nemoder>!mint
01:03<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
01:03<teatime>and also
01:04<teatime>nm Nemoder beat me to it
01:04<Nemoder>:)
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03:00<uso>is there a systemctl command which lists all services which should run, but do not run?
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03:04<UzumakI>aha
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03:09<jmcnaught>uso: there's "systemctl list-units --failed". the list-units part might be unnecessary, i don't have any failed units though
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03:11<uso>jmcnaught: the services are not in state failed, they are in state active exited
03:12<jmcnaught>uso: can you provide an example?
03:12<uso>distcc.service loaded active running LSB: simple distributed compiler server
03:14<uso>oops, wrong line, that one I already have restarted
03:14<uso>udhcpd.service loaded active exited LSB: Start busybox udhcpd at boot time
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03:17<jmcnaught>uso: i don't use udhcpd, but does it have an associated .socket unit?
03:17<uso>jmcnaught: yes, udhcpd.service
03:17<jmcnaught>uso: that's the service unit. is there a udhcpd.socket?
03:18<uso>jmcnaught: where do I see that?
03:19<uso>systemctl status udhcpd lists /etc/init.d/udhcpd, so it's probably a sysv start script
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03:22<jmcnaught>uso: is it not working as expected? there are a lot of things that systemd represents as a service unit that don't need to run all the time
03:22<uso>jmcnaught: but there are also other services which do not get restarted on updates like nfs, ntp, rpcbind, tftpd if you use those
03:22<uso>jmcnaught: yes, that's the reason I want to list the services which should run
03:24<uso>(and do not run at the moment)
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03:25<jmcnaught>well, there's "systemctl list-units | grep exited"
03:26<uso>jmcnaught: that's what I use, but it lists a lot of services which probably do not have to run
03:27<uso>may I just restart these services too without doing harm?
03:27<jmcnaught>you can also check the default target: "systemctl get-default", and then "systemctl list-dependencies multi-user.target"
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03:31<uso>jmcnaught: that also lists services which I think do not need to run like systemd-modules-load.service
03:31<jmcnaught>uso: you might also want to check what's going on with the exited unit itself: "journalctl -u udhcpd"
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03:33<jmcnaught>uso: in the case of udhcpd it could be something is not configured correctly, but for other service units "active exited" is normal
03:33<uso>jmcnaught: that would require that I know which services to check ;)
03:34<uso>and I want exactly that list of services which I need to check
03:34<uso>all the services start properly on boot, but not after an upgrade
03:34<uso>and I do not want to boot after every update ;)
03:36<uso>but I guess I have to manually make a list of the services and add them to a script which restarts them, I just had expected systemd had a command to list the missing services
03:39<jmcnaught>uso: normally services that fail to start would be in the failed state. did you check "journalctl -u udhcpd"?
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03:40<uso>jmcnaught: there are no services in state failed, systemctl status would show them and the whole system would be in degraded state as far as I know
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03:40<uso>but the system is in state running and the missing services are acvtive / exited
03:43<jmcnaught>uso: is udhcpd the only thing that is not working? for example i have a "virt-pause" service that i made to pause libvirt VMs when I suspend my laptop. It is "active exited" because my laptop is not suspending right now, but it still does what it's supposed to
03:43<uso>jmcnaught: no, see my list above, rpcbind, nfs, ntpd, distcc are others which do not restart properly
03:44<jmcnaught>uso: for udhcpd, if i install it both "systemctl status udhcpd" and "journalctl -u udhcpd" tell me that it is disabled in /etc/default/udhcpd", did you check or the journal at all?
03:46<uso>jmcnaught: I do not have the journal from the update anymore, so I cannot check it now, but I will look more closely at the services the next time
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03:47<jmcnaught>uso: similar for distcc: STARTDISTCC is set to false in /etc/defau...
03:47<uso>udhcpd is enabled, systemctl restart udhcpd starts the service as expected
03:47<uso>same for distcc
03:48<jmcnaught>uso: and there are zero clues in the journal for either unit?
03:48<uso>and as I said, all the services run after boot
03:48<uso>they get stopped but not started as far as I remember
03:49<uso>but I do not have the journal anymore from the update tiome when they should have been restarted
03:50<jmcnaught>the messages will probably be in syslog too
03:50<uso>that's a good idea, will check
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03:55<uso>jmcnaught: to me it looks like as the services get restarted before they have been stopped properly
03:56<uso>like this:
03:56<uso>Apr 7 08:22:00 c1 rpcbind[6759]: Stopping rpcbind daemon....
03:56<uso>Apr 7 08:22:00 c1 rpcbind[6764]: Already running: rcpbind.
03:56<jmcnaught>uso: personally i have yet to experience services not restarting properly after upgrades. i wonder if all of your problematic services lack proper service units (and only have init scripts)
03:58<uso>jmcnaught: is that the case when systemctl status lists an init.d path under "Loaded:" ?
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04:00<jmcnaught>uso: yes, otherwise it would show the location of a .service file
04:01<uso>jmcnaught: then you are probably right, all the services I have checked so far list an init.d path under loaded
04:02<uso>that compatibility mode should not have been allowed for jessie or systemd should be able to handle it properly ...
04:02<jmcnaught>uso: sounds like you're getting closer to finding the cause of the problem at least
04:02<uso>yes, at least that :)
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04:09<jmcnaught>uso: what happens if you restart these services manually, do they go into that active exited state? Also there's a bit of context related to your issue here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763401
04:09<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/763401 in systemd (open): «LSB/SysV service incorrectly marked as active under certain conditions»; severity: important; opened: 2014-09-29; last modified: 2016-03-11.
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04:10<uso>jmcnaught: no, when I restart them manually they restart properly and are in state active running
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04:11<uso>I'm not sure where the difference exactly is, maybe it fails when multiple services get restarted together
04:12<k-man>spamassassin's spamd keeps randomly dying for some unknown reason, once a week or so
04:13<k-man>what process monitoring daemon should I use to monitor it and restart it?
04:13<k-man>actually shouldn't systemd do that automatically?
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04:15<jmcnaught>uso: yeah, i don't know. did those services get upgrades recently, or were they restarted because of a libc6 upgrade? libc6 has a "libraries/restart-without-asking" debconf question that you could set to false (and then use checkrestart from debian-goodies). doesn't get to the root of the problem though, just adds complexity
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04:16<jmcnaught>k-man: do the logs tell you why it fails? does spamassassin have a .service file, or just an init script. That bug I just linked to above talks about how systemd doesn't know how to tell if LSB init script services have failed or not
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04:17<uso>jmcnaught: restart because of the libc bug I think (although some of them may have been updated at the same time)
04:17<uso>I use needrestart, maybe that's part of the problem too
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04:19<uso>jmcnaught: as far as I can see none of the services itself have been updated, so it's all caused by the libc update
04:20<jmcnaught>uso: hmm.. i didn't know about needrestart (thanks :) but maybe that is involved somehow
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04:21<k-man>jmcnaught, it has a /etc/init.d/spamassassin so no to that question
04:21<k-man>i;ll have a look at the logs
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04:23<uso>will the compatibility mode of systemd still be allowed for stretch or will packages be forced to have a service file then?
04:24<jmcnaught>uso: i don't know, i'm just a fellow user
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04:25<anonymous>hellow
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04:25<uso>yes, maybe someone else knows it, but thanks for your help
04:26<jmcnaught>uso: no problem. i would look into how libc6 handles the "restart without asking" thing that it does during upgrades, possibly it conflicts with what needrestart is doing? i hope you figure it out :)
04:27<uso>jmcnaught: I'm quite sure I do not have allowed that "restart without asking" ;)
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04:29<uso>oh oh, it's enabled, thanks for the hint
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04:31<uso>jmcnaught: do you know when this question is asked? dpkg-reconfigure -p low libc6 does not ask me anything
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04:32<k-man>jmcnaught, i don't see anything in the logs as to why it fails
04:33<jmcnaught>uso: i don't know. i'm also not sure why it is prefixed with libraries not glibc like all the other libc6 questions
04:35<jmcnaught>k-man: what logs did you check? "journalctl -u spamassassin"?
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04:37<uso>spamassassin does get restarted properly for me (and it has a service file), so the problem probably has nothing to do with my restart problem, just for the record
04:39<jmcnaught>uso: okay, so it looks like that "libraries/restart-without-asking" is shared. there's probably a proper way to change its value, but you could also maybe use debconf-set-selections
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04:40<jmcnaught>uso: thanks for clarifying that, i don't use spamassasin. my MX miraculously gets zero spam using only greylisting
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04:41<k-man>uso, which version of debian?
04:41<k-man>"no journal files found"
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04:45<jmcnaught>k-man: are you root or a member of the adm or systemd-journal group?
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04:47<k-man>jmcnaught, member of adm. I'll try again as root. i see that I do have a .service file
04:47<k-man>sorry, I'm not very familiar with systemd yet
04:47<uso>jmcnaught: I prefer to avoid debconf-set-selections
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04:48<uso>it's interesting that the restart option is true on all my systems which I have upgraded from wheezy, but it's set to false on the only system I have installed from scratch with jessie
04:48<uso>k-man: on jessie
04:48<k-man>uso, me too actually
04:50<k-man>so if a /etc/init.d/spamassassin file and a /lib/systemd/system/spamassassin.service exist, will one take priority over the other when starting the service?
04:50<uso>k-man: the service file
04:50<uso>you can check it with: systemctl status spamassassin
04:51<uso>look under "Loaded:" as I have learned
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04:53<k-man>thanks
04:53<k-man>why does it say "disabled": Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/spamassassin.service; disabled)
04:53<k-man>but appart from that it looks ok
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04:54<k-man>http://sprunge.us/dLeA
04:54<jmcnaught>uso: i have it as false on at least one system that was upgraded from wheezy
04:55<uso>k-man: maybe because you do not use the daemon and call spamassassin instead
04:56<uso>jmcnaught: so it's probably not related, I'm still curious when this question is asked :)
04:57<jmcnaught>uso: i remember being asked this question during the wheezy->jessie upgrade
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05:00<jmcnaught>uso: it's very curious why dpkg-reconfigure -plow libc6 doesn't ask the question. i did notice that libpam0g also has the exact same knob. i've never noticed a shared debconf knob before, maybe it's related. you can see in libc6's postinst script that it gets asked at "critical" priority
05:00<k-man>uso, no, its the spamd daemon that dies
05:01<jmcnaught>uso: your problem has been very interesting, i hope you figure it out, but i've gotta get to bed. good luck :)
05:01<jmcnaught>k-man: if this keeps happening, see if you can increase SA's log level
05:02<uso>jmcnaught: I should too, it probably has to wait for tomorrow
05:03<uso>jmcnaught: oh, I thought priority "low" gives you the most questions
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05:04<jmcnaught>uso: it does.. critical questions are always shown. debconf(7) explains it, but not anything about shared knobs
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05:07<uso>k-man: I don't know why the spamd daemon runs when the service is disabled, maybe it's (inconsistently) enabled in the sysv init mechanism
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05:08<uso>k-man: maybe try to enable the service with systemctl enable spamassassin.service
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05:09<uso>then restart the service and check the status again
05:09<k-man>ah ok, good idea
05:10<k-man>righto, that seemed to work. I'll waint and see what happens
05:11<k-man>thanks uso and jmcnaught
05:11<uso>np :)
05:11<uso>I hope it helps and restarts the daemon in case it dies
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05:13<k-man>yeah me too :)
05:14<k-man>i get frantic calls from my users being inundated with spam again
05:14<k-man>when it dies
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05:17<rqou>Hi, I'm running sid and seem to have a race condition between dnsmasq and /etc/network/interfaces . dnsmasq fails to start because a bridge defined in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't exist. Any ideas how to fix this?
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05:20<uso>rqou: better ask questions about sid in #debian-next
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05:43<KOJIbKA>Good day ALL! I've had an issue here https://goo.gl/FXywW3 in short it's a bug in package 'freetuxtv' that caused it to crush. Bug description refers to some revision. I've tried to trace files mentioned in those patches but couldn't find any. Could you provide me a clue how to insert those patches in order for 'freetuxtv' to stop crushing after channels initialization?
05:43<KOJIbKA>Patches are places here https://goo.gl/dcEzZq
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06:11<SpeedyG>almost :)
06:12<ozgurk>i am planning to switch to thunderbird from evolution on jessie. any cons? i wish to use my imap server, encypted email, google calender and contacts with thunderbird
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07:42<PenGui>Job rpcbind.service/start deleted to break ordering cycle starting with basic.target/start dmesg error how do i fix this?
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08:48<Steven5000>test
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08:49<Steven5000>hi guys i've a problem with permission in linux mint 17.3 .. can i get help here
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08:50<musca>Hello Steven5000
08:50<musca>!mint
08:50<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
08:50<Steven5000>hi musca
08:51<musca>##linux on freenode.net might also help
08:52<Steven5000>well i'm trying to install houdini 3d software on linux but every time i start to load it's file in terminal it says permission denied however i'm root
08:52<Steven5000>have any idea ?
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08:53<musca>yes, you probably downloaded the file for the wrong architecture, but we don't support linuxmint in this channel.
08:54<Steven5000>so where should i go ?
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08:55<musca>see what dpkg said five minutes ago?
08:58<Steven5000>yes , thanks
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08:58<musca>Steven5000: try the commands /server irc.spotchat.org and /join #linuxmint-help or click on irc://irc.spotchat.org/#linuxmint-help
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15:21<stegbth>i trying to upgrade den Debian6 box to Debian7 (and afterwards to Debian8)
15:21-!-eof [~eof@93.85.176.230] has joined #debian
15:21<stegbth>on the box is also a slapd which has troubles and stopped my upgraded
15:22<stegbth>no i try to purge slapd (and install it again on debian 8), but i can't as there are packages missing for perl and i should run apt-get -f install
15:22<ompaul>push the ldap config
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15:22<ompaul>to one side
15:22<stegbth>running apt-get -f install stops with problems of slapd
15:22<ompaul>if it says run apt-get -f try that
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15:22<ompaul>apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade first
15:22<stegbth>the config ( /etc/) is saved.
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15:23<stegbth>apt-get dist-ugprade was the start, it stopped with troubles about slapd and i should save the database with slapdcat (already done)
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15:24<stegbth>so i am currently in a loop
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15:28<ompaul>turn off as many services as you can
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15:28<ompaul>stegbth: paste your /etc/apt/sources.ist file please
15:28<ompaul>stegbth: in https://paste.debian.net
15:28<ompaul>thanks
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15:29<stegbth>http://paste.debian.net/432030/
15:29<stegbth>the # entries beginning with Debian 4.0 are not listed ;)
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15:30<stegbth>ok, aptitude seems to remove more and fix the problem
15:31<stegbth>i will try it with aptitude, do the upgrade and reinstalled the needed packages again
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15:31<ompaul>stegbth: you shouldn't jump back and forth between apt-get and aptitiude now stick with aptitude
15:32<stegbth>ok
15:33<stegbth>unfortuntatly i did already
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15:33<stegbth>it removed several packages, i noted this
15:34<stegbth>now apt-get -f install was ok, and apt-get dist-ugprade is working again
15:34<stegbth>hopefully i broke nothing to badly
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15:46<Guest129>hi, after yesterday's upgrade of debian stable my system's boot stops at console login (I had auto-login to kde from kdm). Is it related to the libc6 bug?
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15:50<jmcnaught>Guest129: can you log in and check the journal with "journalctl" to see what happened?
15:51<jmcnaught>Guest129: are you using Nvidia or AMD video drivers by any chance?
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15:52<antoine>hello
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15:54<Guest129>i have switchable graphics and vgaswitcheroo, but running always on intel. will check journalctl now
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15:57<Guest129>no closed source drivers, second card is radeon. i dont anything suspicious in journalctl
15:57<jmcnaught>Guest129: if you installed that stuff via some means other than official Debian packages, you might need to repeat those install steps
15:58<jmcnaught>Guest129: "journalctl /usr/bin/Xorg" will narrow it done to Xorg errors
15:58<jmcnaught>s/done/down/ # drink more coffee
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16:02<stegbth>ompaul, the first reboot worked :) i now upgrade to Deb Jessie
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16:03<Guest129>i have stock debian, not a single external package. vgaswitcheroo is part of the kernel and I use it to switch of radeon because its noisy. ok I think something is in the journal but I will reboot the system
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16:15<Guest129>the jornal ends with (edited): "X server startup timeout, terminating"; then "x server termination timeout, killing"; then "x server is stuck in D state; leaving it alone"; then "x server for display :0 cannot be started, session disabled"
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16:17<Guest129>no logs for "journal /usr/bin/Xorg"
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16:20<Lantizia>hey what package actually creates 'netdev' group? because it isn't 'base-passwd' (that does 0-99, 100 and 65534)
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16:21<Lantizia>I've already figured out 'input' is made by 'udev', 'crontab' by 'cron', 'ssh' by 'openssh-client', and all 'systemd-*' by 'systemd'... hope that's right
16:21<Lantizia>i'm just scratching my head about netdev
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16:22<jmcnaught>Lantizia: "grep netdev /var/lib/dpkg/info/*" reveals several packages will add that group in their postinst scripts, including ifupdown, network-manager and others
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16:23<Lantizia>ah must be ifupdown then... i was looking at the packages you get on a standard netinst (no tasksel packages)
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16:25<Lantizia>jmccrohan, what I don't get is how uid 1000 is a member of netdev... even though surely the debian installer cannot guarantee ifupdown (or another package) will be installed to guarantee it's existence
16:25<Lantizia>it's the only non 0-99 gid that uid 1000 is a member of by default
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16:46<amacater>User - 1000 - will need netdev if they're using a network / bringing up a connection. First real user therefore gets netdev. By that time, you've installed something that will bring a network up/down
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16:49<Lantizia>amacater, what exactly makes uid1000 a member of netdev? is it the adduser/useradd utility? does it detect that it's the first user?
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17:00<jmcnaught>Lantizia: clearly something in the debian installer makes sure that the only user created by the installer is a member of relevant groups. also you highlighted the wrong jmc person :P
17:01<Lantizia>indeed sorry about that :)
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17:03<Lantizia>some of this is really messed though... like how uid 1000 gets to be a member of 'floppy' by default... when floppy drives now become a member of 'disks'
17:03<Lantizia>so many of these are deprecated!
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17:04<jmcnaught>Lantizia: did your user get made a member of "disks" by the installer?
17:04<Lantizia>nope, so to mount floppies, gotta be root
17:04<Lantizia>but not cdrom's - as you get made a member of that
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17:05<amacater>Possibly - it's a long time since I've had a physical machine with a floppy drive - but someone still needs floppies - default groups look like floppy and cdrom - that's default removable media
17:05<jmcnaught>regular users shouldn't be members of the disks groups anyways
17:05<amacater>Not everyone needs to be able to format har disks
17:05<amacater>hard disks, even
17:05<amacater>You can still get floppy drives that attach to USB ports if you need to read legacy floppies - floppy still has a use :)
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17:07<Lantizia>this isn't really about floppies :P
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17:08<Lantizia>I'm trying to figure out what all these default groups actually are meant for... and therefore which I'd want uid 1000 to be a member of
17:08<amacater>OK - so it's about default groups on a minimal install: what's the real question.
17:08<Lantizia>i.e. if I was re-making uid 1000 ... what I'd want to specify... so for example I'm adding in dialout and sudo
17:08<Lantizia>but i'm realising floppy is pointless as it isn't used any more
17:09<Lantizia>adm is also a useful one to have
17:09<amacater>Default groups for my user: added at install - cdrom floppy sudo audio dip - which I think replaces dialout
17:09<Lantizia>dip is for ppp i beleive
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17:09<amacater>video plugdev netdev
17:09<Lantizia>dialout is for serial access
17:10<Lantizia>i've been researching lol
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17:10<Debianstumped>hello all
17:10<amacater>Something has added lpadmin scanner bluetooth - but I suspect that's because I added printserver
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17:11<amacater>Not sure where bluetooth was pulled in
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17:11<Lantizia>it seems a default ubuntu install now doesn't do audio and video... but probably as these are abstracted now (e.g. pulseaudio)
17:11<Debianstumped>Anyone willing to help a noob?
17:11<amacater>!ubuntu
17:11<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
17:11<Lantizia>if my debian uid 1000 wanted to make a system beep, not sure if that'd need audio or not
17:11<Lantizia>amacater, oh save it! I damn well know that
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17:11<Lantizia>i can just tell debian hasn't really looked at this in a Looong while - i'm just comparing
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17:12<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: feel free to ask, you don't need permission :)
17:12<Lantizia>Debianstumped, fire away
17:12<amacater>No, we look at it fairly regularly - but we do have users with systems that have ben updated for 20 years
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17:13<Debianstumped>well I have installed debian on another machine , and when it boots up it gets to a blue screen the says to start normaly or in advanced mode , when i try to start it in either mode it starts to boot then i get a black screen , then nothing
17:14<Guest129>@jmcnaught: i was able to boot into kde after I removed package firmware-linux-nonfree. Thats great. However I will have to find a way to disable radeon because its too noisy and without the firmware its not possible. Anyway thank you very much for your help!
17:15<jmcnaught>Guest129: glad you figured at least some of it out. maybe you can disable the discrete GPU in your BIOS/firmware?
17:15<amacater>You may find that some radeon hardware will work without firmware linux nonfree but at reduced resolution / without hardware acceleration. Is your hardware a modern laptop with dual GPU?
17:15<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: Debian has been installed and when you reboot for the first time it does this, or are you describing what happens when you try to boot the installer?
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17:16<Debianstumped>its been installed and when i go to boot for the first time it dose this
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17:16<amacater>Some laptops have Intel + radeon and switch between them - google optimus / bumblebee
17:17<Guest129>jmcnaught: I had this option but it was buggy (wifi problems) and they removed it in a bios upgrade.
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17:17*amacater has Dell all in one which says it requires firmware-linux-nonfree and will run quite happily without
17:18<jmcnaught>amacater: I think optimus/bumblebee is just for nvidia. Guest129 said above they are using the vgaswitcheroo feature of the kernel
17:18<amacater>Ah, OK
17:18<Debianstumped>i also need to mentio it will let me go to the command prompt from this blue screen
17:18<Debianstumped>by hitting c
17:19<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: is this "blue screen" a GRUB menu?
17:19<Debianstumped>yes GRUB screen
17:19<Guest129>amacater: yes its laptop with intel and radeon but radeon was always noisy so I prefer intel
17:19<Debianstumped>version 2.02
17:19<Guest129>next time hopefully I will buy a better laptop
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17:20<Debianstumped>anything past the GRUB screen and i just get black
17:20<amacater>Guest129: OK - then by removing firmware-linux-nonfree, I suspect you're forcing non-accelerated Intel - which will work for you :)
17:20<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: is one of the options a rescue or recovery mode?
17:20<Lantizia>amacater, does this help better explain what I'm trying to do... http://i.snag.gy/1pTi9.jpg
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17:21<Lantizia>amacater, obviously I'm not going to do something daft and make uid1000 a member of disks or root
17:21<Lantizia>amacater, but i'm trying to work out useful (and also still *in* use) groups for a power user uid 1000 to be in
17:22<Lantizia>so adm is handy for reading logs for example
17:22<Debianstumped>yes i think if i hit e it goes to a recovery mode
17:22<Lantizia>but i'm an OCD kinda person... so to know this, I must know it ALL :P
17:22<Debianstumped>can't see the other screen so well , i needed my good screen for this chat
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17:23<amacater>Lantizie: Yes :)
17:24<Guest129>amacater: unfortunately no, intel was always working fine and with accel, but without firmware-linux-nonfree I cannot switch off radeon (its done by vga-switcheroo)
17:24<Debianstumped>the 2 main options are Debian GNU/Linux and Advanced Options for Debian GNU/linux
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17:24<Guest129>so I have two workings cards right now
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17:24<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: i don't reboot very often, but i think Advanced options is a submenu that has a recovery/rescue option
17:25<Debianstumped>yeah i think your right , e dose something to , but i can't read that part of the screen , monitor issues
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17:25<amacater>sasl - is for things like virtualisation / terminal modes that have pass through
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17:26<Lantizia>amacater, presumably on a very cut back system (e.g. nothing selected from tasksel, netinst only) if there are no files/dirs on the whole system (e.g. using find . -group foo) which are owned by any of these groups... it's probably best to ignore it and move on?
17:26<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: forget "e" for now. Hit "enter" on "advanced options" then hit enter on the menu option that says "recovery mode".
17:27<Debianstumped>ok just a sec
17:27<Lantizia>which begs the question what on earth plugdev is still doing there
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17:27<Lantizia>wasn't that HAL only?!
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17:27<amacater>Lantizia - - plugdev - that's not just HAL, I think it's the hotplug element of USB in general
17:28<jmcnaught>Lantizia: you've been looking at file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html i assume?
17:28<Debianstumped>ok it went through a list of things ,,, some of them had a green "OK" next to them , then it went black again
17:28<Lantizia>jmcnaught, indeed
17:29<amacater>Doing a default install and adding nothing - you should be OK. /me should do a default install in kvm just to check - but it's getting a bit late
17:29<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: and this is the first boot after the installer finished? or did you install more stuff and reboot again?
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17:30<Debianstumped>this is the first boot , i used MSDOS to format my drive ,,, then booted the Debian CD , formated with it , did a fresh install , and this is what i am getting
17:30<Lantizia>amacater, sasl is for auth of things like imap/pop/smtp stuff, not to do with VM's
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17:31<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: the debian installer has a rescue mode option, can you try that?
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17:31<Sp0nken>Does anyone knows if it's possible to fix heating-problems on a old pci-e graphic card (passive cooling)? It's reaching 75 C pretty much doing nothing and continue to climb upwards. Nothing to do about it?
17:31<Debianstumped>yeah let me try it ,, got to reboot from the cd right?
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17:32<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: yes, that's what I mean. You burned the installer to a CDROM, or is it on a USB stick? Which iso image did you download and burn?
17:33<amacater>Sponken - take the side off the PC for a couple of minutes - add a case fan blowing onto it - change the graphics card because it's dying?
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17:34<Debianstumped>ok im booted from the CD , it says ,,,, INSTALL ,,, Graphical install , advanced options , Help , install with speech synthesis
17:34<Debianstumped>advanced correct?
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17:35<Debianstumped>its the i386 download burned to a dvd
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17:35<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: Advanced > Rescue mode. Can you be more specific about which image you downloaded and used?
17:36<Debianstumped>i386, the bigger one
17:36<Sp0nken>amacater: This card haven't been used in ages, i just find it in the basement today and saw it as a perfect card to use in a server, i have used a 16 MB pci-card before but i need the pci-slot for another satacontroller :) therefore it would be great if i could cool it down a bit
17:36<Debianstumped>3.4 somthing gig
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17:36<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: by specific I mean show the the exact URL that you downloaded
17:36<Debianstumped>ok let me go find it , brb
17:36<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: like, are you using a live cd? is it an offical debian ISO?
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17:39<Debianstumped>debian-8.4.0-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.4.0/i386/bt-dvd/
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17:41<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: thanks :) Once you start rescue mode it will ask a few questions about language, timezone, hostname and then present a menu asking where your root filesystem is
17:41<Debianstumped>i just went to graphical rescue mode to see what happens there
17:41<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: graphical asks the same questions as text mode, just with graphics
17:41<Debianstumped>ok , its doing its thing
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17:44<Debianstumped>says i have missing firmware tigon/tg3_tso5.bin asking if i want to load it from removable media ???? i don't have this
17:44<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: did it say this message during the install as well?
17:45<Debianstumped>yes it did to tell you the truth , but i figured it would allow me to load it later
17:45<amacater>It's complaining that your ethernet adapter may need non-free firmware: chances are that it will work without it anyway
17:45<amacater>Once you have an install, you can enable non-free and add it in
17:45<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: yeah, that's for your ethernet card, not going to be related to your screen going black during boot
17:46<Debianstumped>ok good so tell it no and go on?
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17:46<amacater>Debianstumped -yes
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17:47<Debianstumped>ok now it went on to the fact that i have multiple network cards in my machine , pic the one im pluged into and go on?
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17:48<amacater>Yes, it may do that automatically anyway
17:49<Debianstumped>ok
17:51<Debianstumped>ok now asking for a hostname , i will fill that out
17:51<Sp0nken>Can't really figure out the best graphic solution for a server. To use the onboard graphic (intel i7 cpu-graphic) or use a low-end pci or pci-e card? I will loose some ram for the shared graphic if i go with the onboard, but are there any other performance impacts?
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17:52<amacater>Onboard - you're probably only going to use command line anyway for a _REAL_ server :)
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17:52<Debianstumped>setting up clock
17:52<amacater>Having said that, I've just bought a 2GB card for a small amount of money because I'm going to be doing virtualisation
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17:54*amacater is leaving for the night - have fun all
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17:54<Sp0nken>amacater: Yes i will only use command line, therefore i wounder if onboard is worth the loss of ram, and probably a little impact on the cpu itself, then if i go with a dedicated low-end card? The computer wont start without a gpu
17:54<Debianstumped>ok now this a bit confusing its asking me to set up a recue mode and gives 4 options
17:55<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: what are the options? is it asking where your root filesystem is?
17:56<Debianstumped>yes ,,, its asking dev/sda1 dev/sda2 dev/sda5 // set up a raid ,, or do not use a root file system
17:57<Sp0nken>Sorry i mess things up, english is not my first language.. What i mean is the graphic integrated in CPU (Intel i7), if i should use that, or if it's better to go with a dedicated card for a server. Keep in mind ram-loss and eventually other performance impacts at cpu
17:57<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: you just installed earlier today, do you remember which one is rootfs?
17:58<Debianstumped>seems like my hard drive said /dev/sda1
17:59<Debianstumped>during the format
17:59<Debianstumped>maybe?
17:59<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: you can switch to a virtual console with ctrl+alt+f2 and run "fdisk -l /dev/sda" for clues
18:00<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: alt+f7 (i think) to go back to graphical rescue mode
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18:06<Debianstumped>ok i have 3 sda1 ,,, sda2 and sda5 ,,, the biggest one is 1
18:07<Debianstumped>1 is 109 g ... the other 2 are just 2g
18:07<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: running "lsblk" might help too. presumably at least one is a swap partition. maybe you created a separate /home partition? you'd know better what you did than we would :P
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18:08<Debianstumped>sda5 says linux swap at the end
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18:09<Debianstumped>linux swap / Solaris to more precise
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18:12<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: once you figure out which is your root, the goal here was to be able to look into your logs and find the problem, and maybe fix it while still in rescue mode before rebooting back into your system
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18:13<Debianstumped>well one says its Linux , 2 says its extended , and 5 says its Linux Swap /Solaris
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18:14<Debianstumped>so 1 would be the root?
18:14<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: try it and see, maybe start taking notes too
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18:15<Debianstumped>ok so use 1 for the recovery? cause thats what its asking for , to point at the recovery
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18:16<Debianstumped>alt
18:16<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: if it doesn't work you can always try sda3, and write down somewhere what your system's details are
18:16<Debianstumped>alt+f5 got me back
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18:17<Debianstumped>now i have more options
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18:18<Debianstumped>Execute a shell in sda1 ,,, in the installer enviroment ,,reinstall GRUB boot loader, choose a different root ,, reboot the system
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18:19<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: execute a shell, start looking in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages for problems
18:20<Debianstumped>execute it in sda1?
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18:21<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: yes, and if that doesn't work you could try looking on ctrl+alt+f4 for errors
18:21<Debianstumped>ok
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18:34<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: any luck?
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18:38<Debianstumped>no can't find anything
18:38<Debianstumped>think im going to give up on this machine , i have another one that needs a power supply , i can use the one out of this one in it
18:39<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: fair enough.
18:39<Debianstumped>its a clone that i built , so might have better luck on it , the one i was trying on is a freaking Dell
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18:40<Debianstumped>thanks for the help guys , im going to be switching power supplies and then reinstalling , if i get stumped i will be back , thanks again
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18:41<jmcnaught>Debianstumped: whatever it is, it was probably a probably with the console-setup, or if you installed a graphical desktop there were probably clues in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. cheers :)
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19:13<ryan_>Hey everyone: Quick question, is it a safe practice to resize an existing partition to make it bigger, I have a slot of unsused but can only make 4 primaries...
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19:38<Testor>ryan_: you should learn about primary and extended partitions in general. Also about lvm.
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19:39<Testor>There are a lot of tutorial and information about it.
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19:41<ryan_>Testor: Thanks I'm reading up on it now
19:41<Testor>ryan_: np :)
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20:21<newpower>Can I fuck you
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20:23<wheatie>O_o
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20:33<Testor>pm newpower ;)
20:34<Testor>Ohh, she leave
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21:11<newpower>nihao
21:11<newpower>nihao
21:11<newpower>yourenma
21:11<newpower>dayanmp opoi aoidfjsofoajflk m
21:12<newpower>lairena
21:12<newpower>char
21:12<newpower>chat
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21:15<newpower>lairena
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21:15<newpower>lol
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21:16<fcc>dcdfvdg
21:16<newpower>11111111111
21:17<fcc>56454
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21:18<jmcnaught>newpower: fcc lxd ddk gousheng Guest153: go play somewhere else please.
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21:21<zwz>hello.
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21:34<newpower>?
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21:41<god>anybody
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21:41<newpower>hello
21:41<Guest155>有人吗
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21:41<newpower>有啊
21:43<newpower>有人吗
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23:20<vortek>what package do i have to install to get flash working in iceweasel?
23:21<sney>flashplugin-nonfree (probably)
23:21<vortek>thanxs :D
23:22<hespe>I have a Lenovo Flex 3 running on Debian 8.3 I cannot get the touchscreen/tablet features working. Any suggestions?
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23:22<vortek>hrm its installed but iceweasel wont use flash hrm
23:23<sney>flash support is getting smaller and smaller, thankfully
23:24<vortek>yes
23:25<vortek>but unfortunatly most speedtest sights use flash
23:25<sney>there's speedof.me
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23:26<vortek>thanxs :D
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23:28<jmcnaught>vortek: i seem to recall you disabled Flash in Iceweasel yesterday or the say before, because it was slowing your browser down. You might still have it disabled in your add-ons page. Probably best just to get rid of flash entirely though, we need to let it die.
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23:44*nevyn prefers kill it with fire.
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