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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-04-14

---Logopened Thu Apr 14 00:00:13 2016
---Daychanged Thu Apr 14 2016
00:00<k-man>hmm, well, i installed the jessie-backorts kernel but that seems to have broken my zfs
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00:07<jmcnaught>k-man: did you add zfs support using the zfsonlinux.org packages that use DKMS? You probably forgot to install the linux-headers package from backports to go along with your new backports kernel
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00:55<cae>did I miss something or is manpages.d.o intentionally dead? I'm getting 404 for /cgi-bin/man.cgi
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00:56<jm_>probably an issue with the server
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01:17<cae>I sent a mail to the admin@ list describing the issue
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02:16<krash>hello
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03:56<sebd>Hello, today after upgrading samba my users cannot open their windows sessions
03:56<sebd>(the samba server is jessie, and samba was updated 2 hours ago)
03:57<sebd>I restarted samba, it did not help
03:57<sebd>I restarted the serveur, it did not help neither
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04:04<sebd>My debian version is 7.10 (oldstable)
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04:15<anonymous>hello
04:16<sebd>"allow dcerpc auth level connect = yes" in smb.conf fixes the issue
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04:16<anonymous>yes
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04:31<sebd>after a few minutes the samba bug is back
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04:31<sebd>_netr_ServerAuthenticate3: netlogon_creds_server_check failed. Rejecting auth request from client
04:31<Deedend>hello, I have installed a netinst amd64 and it works well but after the dist-upgrade to testing X server is no longer working. I have installed KDE, any suggestions or a point to look for some log? I am a newbie sorry
04:32<sebd>Deedend: I guess your upgrade did not end well : try apt-get install -f
04:32<Deedend>maybe is not a x-server problem but a KDE problem
04:33<duclicsic>Deedend: this channel supports only the stable distribution, if you need help with testing and beyond please see #debian-next
04:33<Deedend>sebd: ok I will try
04:33<Deedend>duclicsic: thank you and sorry
04:33<duclicsic>no worries
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04:43<tmsbrg>I know this has nothing to do with Debian, but I can't connect to freenode at all. What's going on? chat.freenode.net/6697 gives me "Network is unreachable" errors, and none of the servers I tried like wilhelm.freenode.net resolve host according to Hexchat
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04:48<duclicsic>tmsbrg: at least one of the IPv6 addresses that chat.freenode.net resolves to, doesn't appear to be listening on 6697. all of the v4 addresses do appear to work though.
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04:49<Bubble_Gum>I can't seem to find the appropriate drivers for my Scimitar RGB Mouse
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04:51<tmsbrg>it's resolving to 146.112.61.107:6697, which seems to not be responding either. I tried without SSL but it works neither
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04:52<duclicsic>tmsbrg: that host also fails to respond for me
04:52<tmsbrg>welp, workaround for me is using the direct IP of wilhelm.freenode.net, 164.132.77.237/6697, and disabling SSL certificate checking
04:53<Bubble_Gum>Would drivers have been downloaded automatically if there are any for connected Hardware?
04:53<duclicsic>Bubble_Gum: a mouse shouldn't really need any special drivers. what's wrong with it?
04:54<Bubble_Gum>It's a nice gaming mouse that works fine on Windows, but I can't use the hotkeys on the side.. I had what they dubbed a "utility"
04:54<Bubble_Gum>http://www.corsair.com/en-us/scimitar-rgb-optical-moba-mmo-gaming-mouse
04:54<duclicsic>try running 'xev' and then press those buttons while hovering over the little window, it will show if they produce any keypress events
04:55<Bubble_Gum>Those buttons on the side are what I want to utilize; it's why I bought it.. I love Linux.. if it weren't for some games on Windows i wouldn't even use anything Microsoft related
04:55<Bubble_Gum>I'm having trouble finding drivers supporting my mouse and keyboards additional buttons. The mouse is far more important to me though. I'll just stick to that
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04:56<duclicsic>Bubble_Gum: there most likely are no such drivers. see my comment above to find out if it's even possible to make them work.
04:56<duclicsic>then send an angry complaint to corsair customer services that they don't support linux
04:57<Bubble_Gum>Oops i didn't se that
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04:57<Bubble_Gum>I read those.. They were dissapointing, but I have no negative feelings. It's fine hardware that I can still toggle mouse accelration at the push of a button with
04:57<Bubble_Gum>I'ma try your command
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04:58<duclicsic>Bubble_Gum: also check this out, it might be what you need: https://github.com/ccMSC/ckb
04:59<duclicsic>Bubble_Gum: top link in a google search for "corsair scimitar linux"
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04:59<Bubble_Gum>I see the text flashing by, however despite my experience, I'm unable to identfy which is a hit and which isn't. I'm oging to assume that if it doesn't respond when the mouse is still and I button press those 1-12 keys that i can't get them working?
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04:59<duclicsic>if the buttons produce a keypress event then you can just bind them manually to whatever you like, there are a million ways to do this.
05:00<Bubble_Gum>I saw that github, but it says it's for the keyboard and a lot of the macros aren't functional
05:00<Bubble_Gum>Before I downloaded I figured I'd ask..
05:00<duclicsic>"ckb is an open-source driver for Corsair keyboards and mice"
05:00<duclicsic>seems to be for mice too
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05:00<Bubble_Gum>Also, I'm on ubuntu.. it's the same concept, but I'm aware of the difference between distro's. What i don't know is how much it truly affects your help?
05:01<Bubble_Gum>Their irc is down :S
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05:01<duclicsic>makes little difference really, this isn't so much a debian or ubuntu issue
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05:01<s0000691206>UP IN THE POSTERIOR
05:01<Bubble_Gum>Good, I thought as much
05:02<s0000691206>VIVA LA TOPA
05:02<s0000691206>FEDERICO FABRIZIO
05:02<Bubble_Gum>Huh..? :(
05:02<s0000691206>HE COOKS RICE
05:02<s0000691206>CIAO
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05:02<Bubble_Gum>Well that was interesting
05:02<Bubble_Gum>Anyhow, it looks like I'll need that software utility..
05:03<Bubble_Gum>Those people in the reddit were right.. if they had the source code to give out, there would be a 3rd party driver..
05:03<Bubble_Gum>I guess I'm out of luck..
05:03<Bubble_Gum>In any case, if that driver doesn't work the way I'd like, how would I get rid of it?
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05:04<Bubble_Gum>Would I use the sudo apt-get purge/uninstall?
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05:04<Bubble_Gum>Also, would it be the name of the file extension?
05:05<Bubble_Gum>er.. file name attached to the file extension
05:05<duclicsic>there isn't going to be just one file, that ckb is a piece of software moreso than a driver
05:06<duclicsic>when you download it from git and build it you can do so in its own directory, then if you want to remove it you can always just delete the directory
05:06<Bubble_Gum>Interesting..
05:06<Bubble_Gum>No wonder people hate Windows..
05:06<Bubble_Gum>Linux users..
05:07<Bubble_Gum>A lot of the traditional programs create a registry entry in windows and scatter files everywhere.. You're saying I can just assign everything to one directory
05:07<Bubble_Gum>T^T..
05:08<duclicsic>Bubble_Gum: when building software from source, you first do so inside a nicely contained directory, it's then up to you if you want to 'install' it to the system by placing binaries in your path, libraries with other libraries, etc
05:09<Bubble_Gum>Alright, only half of that made sense
05:09<Bubble_Gum>Can you walk me through or link me with the basics
05:09<Bubble_Gum>The part I got was that the downloaded file needs to be in a folder I create myself..
05:09<Bubble_Gum>The next part.... uhm..
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05:10<duclicsic>i don't know of any tutorials or guides on this off the top of my head, you're best off just looking for some intro material on installing things from git repos
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05:10<duclicsic>or generally building things from source under linux
05:10<Bubble_Gum>Wait a moment. how do you know this much then..
05:10<duclicsic>15 years of using linux..
05:10<Bubble_Gum>You speak as though you've done it, unless you're parroting :|
05:11<Bubble_Gum>Then you have done it before..
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05:11<duclicsic>i know how to do it, but i don't have handy links to tutorials i'm afraid, and i'm working right now so don't really have the time to take you through it step by step
05:11<Bubble_Gum>Welp, if you don't wanna tell me, I can at least appreciate the hints you've given me. I have enough experience to know that you've told me everything
05:11<Bubble_Gum>Just not baby steps through the whole process
05:12<Bubble_Gum>Thank you much
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05:16<FedeFabri>Who wants some rice?
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05:16<FedeFabri>Celso loves rice
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05:32<phyrexia>Hello, I have a short question. I own a Dell Vostro 3750 that's running debian 8. The laptop comes with the optimus nvidia technology which supplies an onboard/standalone GPU.
05:32<phyrexia>After some tinkering with bumblebee/steam I got all my games working.
05:33<phyrexia>This tinkering did require to downgrade libdrm. I have marked libdrm on hold using apt-mark
05:33<phyrexia>dpkg --status shows libdrm packages are HI.
05:33<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, phyrexia
05:33<phyrexia>running an apt-get update/upgrade still tells me the package is kept back and I cannot perform the upgrade.
05:33<phyrexia>How have I lost you dpkg?
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05:34<k>dpkg is a bot, it reacted...
05:34<dpkg>k: i don't know
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05:34<phyrexia>hahaha
05:34<phyrexia>Okay so..
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05:35<phyrexia>The essence of the question is. I have a / multiple packages marked on hold using apt-mark. dpkg --status shows the packages are hold/installed. Performing an apt-get upgrade still does not work tho
05:35<jm_>what do you expect it to do?
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05:37<phyrexia>I want it to ignore the package I marked hold
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05:37<teatime>phyrexia: normally it would do what you expect.
05:37<phyrexia>And just perform the upgrade
05:37<phyrexia>That's what I thought.
05:37<teatime>phyrexia: unless perhaps some other upgraded package depends on the newer version?
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05:38<teatime>you could see if aptitude gives a different result..
05:38<phyrexia>I'll have a look into what packages depend on libdrm
05:38<teatime>even in that case, I'd expect it to do what you want.
05:38<phyrexia>It's odd though, the package apt-get upgrade specifies that depends is marked hold.
05:38<jmcnaught>phyrexia: why did you need to downgrade packages, are you mixing releases or something?
05:38<teatime>huh? can you pastebin the full/exact error?
05:38<phyrexia>I'm making a pastebin as we speak
05:39<phyrexia>jmcnaught: I downgraded because my game simply wouldn't start. The ValveSoftware github had a thread about the libdrm issue, I downgraded and the game worked.
05:40<jmcnaught>phyrexia: are you using the steam package from Debian, or did you add a steam/valve repo?
05:40<Iridos>phyrexia, yeah... being a bit more concrete about "doesn't work" often helps :)
05:40<teatime>bah wth... apt-get (on jessie) doesn't obey aptitude's hold'd
05:40<teatime>I thought they used the same db for that now
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05:40<Iridos>not on jessie
05:40<jm_>that is a known thing, it only does that in stretch, ask dpkg about it
05:41<phyrexia>This is the output of dpkg --list | grep libdrm
05:41<phyrexia>http://pastebin.com/RrJbev1u
05:41<phyrexia>This is apt-get upgrade
05:41<phyrexia>http://pastebin.com/nzM6Mt2R
05:41<phyrexia>jmcnaught: using the debian steam package
05:41<Iridos>oh fuck pastebin.com
05:42<phyrexia>2nd paste had captcha
05:42<phyrexia>should work now
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05:42<jm_>and you need libdrm-dev?
05:42<phyrexia>I don't think I do
05:42<jm_>then ditch it
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05:43<phyrexia>a plain apt-get remove?
05:43<Iridos>that's (i.e. ditching it) is probably what apt-get -f install will have as a solution, too
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06:10<wferi>Hi! Is it okay that manpages.debian.org says "Welcome to glinka!"?
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06:10<zumbi>wferi: yeah, service was killing the machine and it was put off
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06:10<jm_>someone apparently contacted admins earlier about manpages host
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06:11<wferi>thanks, so it's already known then
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06:11<zumbi>yeah
06:12<wferi>did this service become too popular?
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06:15<wsirc______>One Question about debian quality management: Are there testbot reported Bugs or are not there?
06:16<teatime>anyone have a favorite / simplest method for editing a debian installer iso (to include my preseed.conf)? there are too many options lol
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06:20<wsirc______>preseed.conf?
06:21<wsirc______>The first person I meet who preseeds!
06:21<wsirc______>hello
06:21<wsirc______>teatime:
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06:21<teatime>heh, I'm not in love w/ preseed, but it gets the job done for me in this case.
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06:24<wsirc______>I am just on preseed haking and I could my command line if you want, hagot no final result with it but seems to work by now.
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06:25<teatime>for editing/slipstreaming into an iso? sure, please
06:25<wsirc______>virt-install --connect=qemu:///system --location=http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer\-i386 --initrd-inject=$HOME/Downloads/preseed.cfg --extra-args="auto" --name virtdebstable1 --ram=512 --disk=pool=default,size=5,format=qcow2,bus=virtio
06:27<wsirc______>but ok, better do not take it, it just interrupted....
06:27<teatime>heh, that is a fine command I wish I could use it.
06:27<teatime>but unfortunately I need to actually put the preseed.conf into the iso, because I do not have any of the other means available in my situation (like on a 2nd device like you're doing, or via http, etc.)
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06:28<teatime>oh, you're doing http actually. but still.
06:28<teatime>oh no lol nm. which hypervisor/virt backend are you using?
06:28<teatime>I didn't realize kvm could inject initrd...
06:29<wsirc______>how to get to iso iso. still newbie. read a big deal in the dev man of d-i..
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06:32<teatime>hmm?
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06:33<wsirc______>you have got experiences yourself with preseeding, I may ask?
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06:34<teatime>yeah. not a ton.
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06:35<jm_>checked https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed/EditIso ?
06:36<wsirc______>backend? do you mean "--connect=qemu:"?
06:36<teatime>jm_: yeah I was just hoping someone had a preference for one of those methods, or a more recent perspective.
06:37<teatime>oh, I must have seen a diff. wiki page; that is only one method.
06:37<teatime>I guess I will just do that.
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06:39<teatime>jm_: thx
06:41<jm_>no problem
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06:47<teatime>oo, bsdtar looks like a convenient way to extract the .iso w/o loopback mounting it
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06:56<wsirc______>is there a way simulating the preseed conf quickly for troubleshooting?
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07:01<teatime>without actually installing? no.
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07:08<wsirc______>unbelievable.
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07:17<teatime>you're doing a network install every time though, no doubt that's slower; you could copy the netinstall stuff locally, or use a iso image instead
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07:56<wsirc______>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=712907
07:56<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/712907 in grub-installer (open, help, patch): «grub-installer: No longer installs automatically on a normal machine with one hard drive»; severity: important; opened: 2013-06-20; last modified: 2015-08-13.
07:57<wsirc______>ok, am new to debian, how can I check the completion state of a this bug?
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08:26<wsirc______>Is their something in the preseeds to be done for ssh key connect with a qemu guest install? This is my first working preseed.cfg:
08:26<wsirc______>http://paste.ubuntu.com/15828694/
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08:42<wsirc______>got no internet connection in the host -preseed matter? yes, no?
08:43<wsirc______>s/host/guest
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09:22<instigator>Hello. what does &> mean? I know that > is used to redirect to a file
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09:23<Guest9259>&> $file is short for > $file 2>&1
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09:25<instigator>so &> is used to redirect both standard_out and standard_error to a file?
09:25<Guest9259>yep
09:25<instigator>thanks
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10:17<wsirc______>hi does anybody like to help me to investigate the ip situationwith my qemu guest?
10:17<wsirc______>cannot see him from the host.
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10:19<grove>!ask
10:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:47<dpkg>Sorry jelly, you're not online.
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11:13<whoami_>hii
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11:19<kion>what does the process tracker-extract do? it is eating 90% of my cpu
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11:20<sebd>kion: I think it indexes files in your home
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11:20<sebd>it should not slow your computer down
11:21<kion>sebd for search purposes?
11:22<sebd>yes kion
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11:39<R4F_Debian>Hi all, today I had the following error when tried to update Debian Jessie 8.4 through apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get upgrade :http://pastebin.com/kNnjTN3K
11:39<R4F_Debian>Hope any shall help me on this, please, and thank you very much since now !
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11:44<Maulkin>R4F_Debian: This seems to be https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=821002
11:45<Maulkin>R4F_Debian: It should be fixed soon.
11:45<R4F_Debian>Hi Maulkin, thanks for Support. Let me check about this link, just one moment, please
11:45<Maulkin>R4F_Debian: As a work around, you can run "apt-get -f install" and it should sort it for you
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11:49<R4F_Debian>Trying to understand here, Maulkin, in this case, will be always necessary using the key -f whenever I will install any package ?
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11:50<sney>R4F_Debian: no, -f is for "fix"
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11:50<sney>R4F_Debian: so you just run "apt-get -f install" by itself and it will attempt to fix the problems installing/updating
11:51<R4F_Debian>HI sney, nice to see you today ! Thanks for support !
11:51<R4F_Debian>Maulkin, Thank you very much for Great Support !
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11:53<R4F_Debian>Maulkin and sney, please, whenever I get error related to unmet dependencies, should I run this command Maulkin has passed me ?
11:53*M17 handsome
11:53<sney>R4F_Debian: it's a good troubleshooting step, yes
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11:55<R4F_Debian>sney, by the way, I used the 'apt-get autoremove' command, and could see the same suggestion you and Maulkin has passed me
11:55<M17>hello R4F
11:56<sney>M17: do you have a debian question
11:56<M17>no sney :D
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12:00<M17>wecome toogley
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12:02<sney>M17: this channel is for debian support ONLY. if you would like to chat with people, do /join #moocows
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12:02<Bubble_Gum>I'm receiving a Dependency is not satisfiable: libavcodec56(>=6.11~beta1)|libavcodec-extra-56 (>=6:11.2)
12:02<Bubble_Gum>I can't seem to load a .deb into the software center, and when I try to sudo dpkg -i dolphin-master-4.0-9215_amd64.deb
12:02<Bubble_Gum>I get
12:03<Bubble_Gum>dpkg: error processing archive dolphin-master-4.0-9215_amd64.deb (--install):
12:03<Bubble_Gum>cannot access archive: No such file or directory
12:03<Bubble_Gum>Errors were encountered while processing:
12:03<Bubble_Gum>dolphin-master-4.0-9215_amd64.deb
12:03<dpkg>bubble_gum: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
12:03-!-Bubble_Gum was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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12:03<Bubble_Gum>whoops
12:03<R4F_Debian>Hi M17 !
12:03<sney>R4F_Debian: please don't encourage him
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12:04<sney>Bubble_Gum: software center? what debian version are you using?
12:04<R4F_Debian>oh, sorry sney, didn't intend to make any mistake ! Please, sorry !
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12:04<Bubble_Gum>I'm.. uh
12:04<Bubble_Gum>Using Ubuntu :(
12:04<Bubble_Gum>15.10
12:04<blast007>!ubuntu
12:04<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
12:04<Bubble_Gum>They can't help me
12:04<sney>Bubble_Gum: sorry, please go to #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net. #debian does not support ubuntu
12:04<sney>!they don't know
12:04<dpkg>We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us.
12:04<Bubble_Gum>I'm merely trying all of my resources..
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12:05<Bubble_Gum>:( .. well okay
12:05<R4F_Debian>sney, Please, if possible, could take a look on it : http://pastebin.com/3w2MpMMN
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12:05<Bubble_Gum>I guess I can live without that program.. I'm just really fascinated by emulators
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12:05<R4F_Debian>the result about the command apt-get -f install
12:05<M17>okay sney sorry :D thanks for your info
12:05<sney>R4F_Debian: looks fine to me
12:06<Bubble_Gum>dpkg.. I received help earlier from here..
12:06<Bubble_Gum>Was that person in violation of the rules? :(
12:06<sney>Bubble_Gum: dpkg is a bot, and yes, that person was breaking the rules if they were supporting ubuntu in a debian support channel
12:06<blast007>Bubble_Gum: dpkg is a chat bot
12:06<Bubble_Gum>ah..
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12:06<sney>M17: do not private message people without permission
12:06<R4F_Debian>sney, it returned for me to run 'apt-get autoremove' twice. In this conditions , is that normal you have to run the same command twice ?
12:07<M17>okay sney sorry :)
12:07<sney>R4F_Debian: sometimes it'll automatically give the same recommendation twice, but if you look at the package list you will see it is the same both times
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12:08<R4F_Debian>Oh, yes, lack of attention here ! Thank you sney, always Glad to see you here. Thank you very much !
12:08<blast007>R4F_Debian: it only told you once per command. Once for dist-upgrade and once for upgrade, which is redundant. If you're running dist-upgrade, that's already doing everything that upgrade would do.
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12:09<R4F_Debian>I see blast007, now I understood, it seems it is fixed here. Thank you !
12:10<R4F_Debian>Maulkin, Thank you very much, the same to you, sney and blast007
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12:22<R4F_Debian>Bye all !
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12:32<z-i-g>Hi everyone. I have a question about bug-reporting. More specifically: I can reproduce the problem, but I have no idea how to identify which package it belongs too or where it should go.
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12:32<jrtc27>describe the bug then
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12:34<z-i-g>If I plug in an external monitor and use it as an extra display and then close my laptop (which trigger suspend) my secondary display stays on, but become distorted.
12:34<z-i-g>And the system won't recover, even if i re-open my laptop. Everytime I have to do a hard-restart.
12:35<jrtc27>well it's either going to be your graphics driver or power management
12:35<jrtc27>I would guess graphics given that you have visual distortions
12:36<z-i-g>Hmm. I see.
12:37<z-i-g>Know a quick command to find out my graphics driver? ( I can look this up too).
12:39<retrospectacus>lspci -nn |grep -i vga
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12:41<retrospectacus>er. that'll tell you the graphic device
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12:41<retrospectacus>"lspci -nnk" will tell you the driver it is using (harder to grep)
12:41<z-i-g>great, thanks!
12:42<retrospectacus>lspci -nnk |grep -iA3 vga
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12:42<retrospectacus>or so
12:44<mtn>z-i-g: inxi is a great program for finding system info. for instance: inxi -Gx for your video info
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12:45<z-i-g>nice. Output of my inxi -Gx: http://paste.debian.net/plain/432764
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12:46<mtn>z-i-g: it is a great tool
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12:53<z-i-g>I just did inxi --help...whoa.
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13:13<shiin>How can I read all possible debconf options for a package?
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13:13<canaima>madeline
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13:24<retroj>hello. I have a machine running jessie, on which the power button does not initiate a shutdown. how could i debug this problem?
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13:25<retroj>it's a (practically) fresh install, with hardly anything on it but the default desktop environment
13:26<shiin>debconf options may be located in debian/templates
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13:26<shiin>but where is the debian directory. Maybe in the source package.
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13:31<shiin>Seems to be in the source package. Found it.
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13:46<blast007>retroj: is it a laptop or a desktop? does pressing the power button do absolutely nothing?
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13:54<blast007>retroj: 'man logind.conf' shows some options like HandleSuspendKey, which would let you make the suspend key (if that's how your system is treating it) trigger a poweroff instead of suspend
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14:11<retroj>hi blast007, thanks, i was distracted with something else. i'll try that! it's a small computer, a zotac z-box to be exact, so similar to a laptop, but no display
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14:35<retroj>blast007: no luck with those settings :-\
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14:37<blast007>retroj: what happens when you press the power button?
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14:40<nicolas17> if I put the official live image into a USB pendrive, will it use a ramdisk for data or will it persist data in the pendrive?
14:42<teatime>you can have it either way.
14:42<teatime>I think, anyway. if you dd/cp it directly, you get the ramdisk w/ no persistence.
14:42<retroj>blast007: nothing that i can discern... nothing comes up in dmesg, for example
14:43<ryouma>teatime: is ther something youc an do to enable persistence?
14:43<retroj>blast007: could there be a confirmation dialog in gnome? perhaps i need to connect a display and see
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14:44<blast007>retroj: try running' acpi_listen' from a terminal and then press the power button. if that outputs anything, post it to https://paste.debian.net/
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14:46<retroj>blast007: http://paste.debian.net/432787/
14:47<retroj>something sees the button being pressed. that's good news.
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14:56<blast007>retroj: about your previous question, yeah, it's possible that gnome is capturing the event and showing a dialog.. I so rarely use a GUI on linux that I'm not sure how gnome handles that.
14:57<teatime>ryouma: it should not be difficult, but I cannot find any recent docs :( the live project's manual seems to have disappeared. you could try asking in #debian-live
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14:57<teatime>ryouma: one hint I can give though, is that the answer is *not* unetbootin; don't bother w/ anything that says to use it for this.
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14:58<teatime>dpkg: persistent live
14:58<dpkg>You can rework the iso-hybrid image that is used with Debian Live (from Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards) so that you can also use it as persistent storage with the live sessions. See http://syn.theti.ca/2013/06/22/tutorial-wheezy-live-iso-hybrid-with-persistence-on-usb/
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14:59<blast007>teatime: the wayback machine has the old live site: https://web.archive.org/web/20151110100849/http://live.debian.net/
15:00<teatime>sweet, thanks.
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15:08<retroj>blast007: i got it working by replacing /etc/acpi/powerbtn-acpi-support.sh with a simple script that only calls 'shutdown -h now'
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15:09<blast007>heh
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15:09<retroj>blast007: that will be enough for this machine, but it seems to suggest a bug somewhere in the default version of that script, or things that it calls
15:11<nicolas17>hm
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15:11<nicolas17>teatime: I wanted persistence so I could install stuff and have it stay there
15:11<nicolas17>but if enabling persistence needs rebuilding the image... I might as well make my own live image from scratch
15:12<nicolas17>with the packages I want being there already
15:12<retroj>blast007: thanks for the help stepping through this with me!
15:12<blast007>retroj: :)
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15:53<teatime>wow, it seems there was some hardcore political crap w/ debian-live... that explains the missing manual / wiki pages / etc. ... ...
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15:56<retrospectacus>lousy republicans
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16:14<TiTan>Hey I have a small C question. I hope here is somebody, who can help.
16:14<TiTan>I want to convert the input of my program to an integer via. strtol. I'm using the endptr to check if the input is realy a number (with strcmp(endptr,"")). So I don't have a problem until I enter negative numbers. Now my strcmp function throw a segfault !?
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16:14<wsirc______>thats the way I got stuck to easy image: https://qemuburopointdpkg.wordpress.com/2016/04/14/status-quo-locked-out-after-preseed/
16:15<wsirc______>Who can help me?
16:15<TiTan>Hey I have a small C question. I hope here is somebody, who can help.
16:15<TiTan>I want to convert the input of my program to an integer via. strtol. I'm using the endptr to check if the input is realy a number (with strcmp(endptr,"")). So I don't have a problem until I enter negative numbers. Now my strcmp function throw a segfault !?
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16:16<sney>TiTan: try asking in #c
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16:17<TiTan>Thank you sney, i try, but there is very small population
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16:17<sney>TiTan: regardless, that doesn't mean you can spam your question in multiple channels
16:18<sney>TiTan: there are larger programming channels on freenode
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16:18<retrospectacus>over 1000 there
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16:21<TiTan>retrospectacus: Where are over 1000 people?
16:21<retrospectacus>##c on freenode
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16:23<TiTan>in ##c on freenode is no person
16:24<sney>TiTan: freenode is a different irc network. you need to connect to it. I just checked and there are 1007 users.
16:24<TiTan>a fuck Im in the wrong network
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16:24<sney>if you're using hexchat or x-chat, you can right click this link and choose connect: irc://chat.freenode.net/c
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16:56<kingsley>How would you copy a live USB to a bootable .iso file?
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17:06<retrospectacus>kingsley: cp /dev/sdb abc.iso
17:07<kingsley>retrospectacus: That's interesting.
17:07<kingsley>It's so simple, I find myself wondering if abc.iso would really boot.
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17:08<retrospectacus>just the reverse of how you create a bootable live usb from an iso - why not?
17:09<kingsley>Maybe you're right.
17:09<kingsley>I'm trying it now.
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17:19<kingsley>retrospectacus: So, here's my report.
17:19<kingsley>I did:
17:19<retrospectacus>please use http://paste.debian.net
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17:22<teatime>yeah, depending on how it was made, that would probably work; ie, if it's an iso9660 image on the disk.
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17:24<teatime>alternately, if it happens that it wasn't originally a .iso that was just cp/dd'd to the usb device, then you would need to give the right flags to mkisofs or similar.
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17:25<kingsley>retrospectacus: OK, here you go: https://paste.debian.net/432803/
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17:27<kingsley>teatime: Can you suggest any diagnostic info that would be conducive to using the right flags in mkisofs or similar?
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17:27<kingsley>Like fdisk?
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17:45<teatime>kingsley: whatever that same original article from dpkg shows, 'cause he's doing exactly the same thing in there.
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17:46<kingsley>teatime: Sorry, I don't understand you. Maybe you could elaborate.
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17:50<teatime>kingsley: in the event that `dd if=/dev/sdg1 of=~/myiso.iso` won't work because it isn't actually an iso9660 image, you'll have to mount it and do the mkisofs or growisofs or whichever command that should be somewhere in http://syn.theti.ca/2013/06/22/tutorial-wheezy-live-iso-hybrid-with-persistence-on-usb/
17:51<teatime>you did ask how to recover a bootable .iso from a usb drive?
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17:53<kingsley>teatime: Yes, `dd if=/dev/sdg1 of=~/myiso.iso` didn't work, and if I understand correctly, yes, I'm asking how to recover^H^H^H^H^H^H^H create a bootable file from a bootable USB drive.
17:53<kingsley>Does that make sense?
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17:56<teatime>yes; I assume there's a good reason you can't just re-grab the official .iso?
17:57<kingsley>For what it's worth, the "fdisk" command says the USB has a bootable partition with a FAT32 file system.
17:58<kingsley>teatime: I bought the USB drive.
17:58<teatime>bah my mistake; that page doesn't have the command for building the iso
17:58<teatime>1 sec
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17:58<teatime>kingsley: well it may just be a normal installation... not syslinux/isolinux/whatever like I'm expecting
17:59<retrospectacus>kingsley: try booting it in qemu as a normal HD instead of cdrom
18:00<retrospectacus>hmm does that make sense? I don't know
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18:01<kingsley>retrospectacus: To repeat a pop culture cliche from the 1960s, maybe from a TV show called "The Prisoner", "You ask... the most difficult of all questions".
18:02<teatime>kingsley: is there an isolinux/isolinux.bin on the HDD partition?
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18:03<retrospectacus>luckily you don't have to answer
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18:03<teatime>kingsley: if so, the mkisofs command from the bottom of this page should be close to if not exactly what you need http://www.n0r1sk.com/index.php/Debian_Remaster_Netinstaller_-_Integrate_Firmware_bnx2x_and_Preseed
18:03<teatime>rest is left as an exercise.
18:03<teatime>:)
18:03<retrospectacus>teatime: it's windows 10
18:04<teatime>kingsley: lol... I am *not* a number, I'm a human being!
18:04<teatime>retrospectacus: .. are you serious?
18:04<kingsley>teatime: Nice one
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18:04<retrospectacus>the usb, yes https://paste.debian.net/432803
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18:05<teatime>sigh.
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18:07<kingsley>teatime: If I understand your question correctly, no, there is no isolinux/isolinux.bin on the USB drive's FAT32 partition.
18:08<MrKeuner>hi, this happens primarily in Firefox. Occasianally I scroll down the page, or click a link and Firefox does not refresh until I move the firefox window or wait like 10-20 seconds. Does that make any sense to you?
18:08<MrKeuner>Wheezy here
18:08<teatime>kingsley: I don't do windows. none of that applies to windows.
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18:10<kingsley>teatime: Fair enough.
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18:15<kingsley>retrospectacus: I tried asking qemu to boot from the USB drive as if it were a HD with ...
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18:16<kingsley>-hdb /dev/sde -boot
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18:18<kingsley>qemu definitely starts booting the Windows 10 USB, opens a big black window and splashes a picture of a little distorted light blue window in it.
18:19<kingsley>That hangs for a few minutes, and then ... ... ...
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18:23<kingsley>retrospectacus: replaces it with a blue screen of death saying KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED".
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18:24<retrospectacus>very nice :)
18:24<kingsley>retrospectacus: But since the USB has a bootable FAT32 file system, I wonder if it can be safely cloned to a bootable partition on a hard drive, or I suppose, within a .iso.
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18:25<retrospectacus>yeah. Qemu wants like QCOW2 files or whatever though
18:27<kingsley>The USB's root contains files with names like "autorun.inf" and "bootmgr.efi" and subdirectories with names like "boot" and "efi".
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18:29<kingsley>Maybe "clone", "partition", "usb" and "bootable" would be good keywords to search Google's indicies with.
18:29<retrospectacus>I'd cp /dev/sdb /tmp/sdb and see what could be done to boot it from there
18:29<retrospectacus>cp -a
18:29<kingsley>Yeah, I didn't use "-a" the first time.
18:30<kingsley>But I'm worried that even that may not preserve as much info as so called "cloning" apps. I seem to recall one called something like "ghost".
18:30<teatime>kingsley: dd will preserve it perfectly, fwiw.
18:33<retrospectacus>but will only write it to a single file, no directory structure
18:33<retrospectacus>you could then loop mount the file
18:33<retrospectacus>might work better
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18:34<kingsley>I just dug up an old copy of the USB that I seem to recall I made with the "dd" command, and I just asked qemu to boot it with
18:35<kingsley>-hdb file.dd -boot
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18:35<kingsley>qemu has opened the big black window and splashed a picture of a little distorted light blue window in it.
18:35<kingsley>Now we wait.
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18:37<quandry>Does anyone here know about KM (Keyboard/Mouse) USB switches?
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18:38<quandry>I found some on ebay and have only yet seen windows compatibility only
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18:38<quandry>I have one tele monitor and 2 desktops hooked up via hdmi.. curious
18:38<quandry>Anyone familiar with hardware?
18:38<kingsley>retrospectacus: and it just crashed again with a blue screen of death saying KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED".
18:38<kingsley>retrospectacus: Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
18:39<kingsley>retrospectacus: It turns out that I need to go.
18:39<teatime>quandry: I don't know what the current state of the project is, but Synergy was once an incredible/amazingly useful software solution for the same situation where you'd use a KM (rather than a KVM) switch.
18:39<kingsley>retrospectacus: With a little luck, I'll be back later.
18:39<kingsley>Bye for now.
18:39<retrospectacus>kingsley: ciao
18:39<quandry>Yes, but I only have one monitor and it is unsecure broadcast
18:39<quandry>I don't want people spying on me :3
18:39<quandry>I'm self-employed
18:40<quandry>Synergy is insecure that is
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18:40<teatime>fair enough on the monitor, but you can easily tunnel anything like that over SSH
18:40<quandry>Read about it and cried a river
18:40<teatime>+ I think they've added encryption now
18:40<quandry>It would be perfect..
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18:40<teatime>but regardless, you can tunnel anything through SSH
18:40<quandry>Secure shell... I think that stands for? sorry.. I'm only entry-level comp sci grad
18:41<quandry>Anyway I'm stuck
18:41<quandry>Help :( . . I did research and hit a brick wall
18:41<teatime>`ssh -L 1111:127.0.0.1:2222 remote.example.com` will create a listening port 127.0.0.1:1111 on the local machine, and whatever connects to it will be transparently forwarded through the SSH connection and connect to 127.0.0.1:2222 on the remote host
18:42<teatime>the inverse is -R
18:42<quandry>Will I be able to send that through my router, or is that wifi?
18:42<teatime>super useful, both for securing insecure protocols, and for punching through firewalls etc. when you're working remotely.
18:42<quandry>or like a Pan
18:42<quandry>Nat punchthrough..?
18:42<quandry>x.x . . wut..
18:43<NottSure>I was just wondering if i can use Kali repo. in debian8 without breaking my OS. I havent tried it but my friend did and he said it screwed everything up.
18:43<teatime>I don't understand the question. It works for any host you can ssh to. since you control both of the machines, it applies.
18:43<quandry>I'm familiar with protocols.. like UDP, TCP
18:43<quandry>I'm confused on this though
18:43<quandry>still working on certs
18:43<sney>NottSure: mixing distributions is unsupported and not recommended ever. some people might get away with it, but it's generally a bad idea
18:44<NottSure>damn ok thanks
18:44<teatime>quandry: if you have the ability to SSH to a server at, say, your office, from home.. but you need to connect via RDP to a windows machine at your office, and your office firewall doesn't allow that... you can use SSH forwarding to use the remote *nix server you can ssh to as a proxy for your RDP traffic.
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18:44<quandry>remote desktop..
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18:44<quandry>okay
18:44<quandry>I really don't wanna do that.. people at my old work said that
18:44<teatime>lol
18:44<quandry>I just want mouse and keyboard functionality :(
18:44<teatime>nevermind
18:44<quandry>I can input on remote
18:44<teatime>I suck at exlaining things today.
18:44<quandry>No, that was just fine
18:45<quandry>They said the same thing
18:45<quandry>T^T don't wanna!
18:45<teatime>no, you misunderstood
18:45<quandry>I did?
18:45<quandry>Okay
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18:45<teatime>RDP was just an example; it could have been any protocol in the world
18:45<quandry>Then it wasn't you, it was me
18:45<teatime>I picked a bad example.
18:45<quandry>I'm so green my face hurts
18:47<teatime>quandry: here's a random blog post about how to use ssh to encrypt synergy's traffic: https://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/04/16/update-securing-synergy-over-the-wire/
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20:20<alumnoMex>hola
20:21<alumnoMex>alguien podrìa ayudarme?
20:21<alumnoMex>necesito saber si en Huayra puedo instalar una lupa , como la de winflos
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20:22<alumnoMex>nadie?
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20:23<alumnoMex>no se amontonen, jajajja
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20:27<inkbottle>What does rc mean in "we are hopping to have the rc soon"?
20:28<inkbottle>it's there: https://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2016/02/msg00010.html
20:28<retrospectacus>release candidate
20:28<inkbottle>ok
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20:32<inkbottle>retrospectacus: thanks by the way (was busy reading and trying to understand what it was about)
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20:34<inkbottle>what i'm trying to understand is if that thread is saying anything about why kde applications 15.12 are stuck in exp...
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20:43<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I have found some tutorials about LSB for Linux ,but I would like to get any Debian Description about it. Hope anyone shall help me on this, Thanks since now !
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20:56<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: what about LSB?
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21:00<R4F_Debian>Hi jmcnaught, thanks for answering, I was absent here. well, can I use pastebin to show you this message in Debian ?
21:01<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: sure. are you having trouble with an init script?
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21:03<R4F_Debian>currently as I am seeing here, no, jmcnaught, but the question is: I have 14 Debian Jessie distinguished installations here. And this message has appeared in one of them
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21:07<R4F_Debian>hey jmcnaught, in fact, I just used lsb_release -a and the output was this: http://pastebin.com/H9UmLsk0
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21:14<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: mine says that too, i wouldn't worry about it.
21:16<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: if you want them, there are lsb-* modules available, but Debian is removing most of LSB support in the next release, it doesn't get used much. I think all that will remain is the "lsb_release" command
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21:17<R4F_Debian>I see jmcnaught, but, please, what exactly LSB module does ? This question I couldn't fix solve in Debian Jessie
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21:21<R4F_Debian>I tried 'man LSB', but there is no manual entry for lsb
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21:27<somiaj>R4F_Debian: what is the main thing you are trying to achive. Debian is dropping LSB support mostly because what it has, isn't full LSB support. Are you having the issue with software that is in debian or with running some 'lsb-complient' software?
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21:30<R4F_Debian>Hi somiaj, nice to see you again here ! In fact, I just would like to know what is LSB about, for discovered I don't have any LSB module installed here, and if it is quite necessary for my Debian Jessie 8.4 installation
21:31<R4F_Debian>http://pastebin.com/H9UmLsk0 as I showed to jmcnaught
21:31<somiaj>R4F_Debian: it was a system of tools/standards to ensure a certain level of base libaries and ABI calls on multiple distros
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21:31<somiaj>R4F_Debian: so a distro being 'lsb-complient' meant that it follows these standards and could run software built for LSB complient systems.
21:32<somiaj>R4F_Debian: the issue is the standards are hard to keep up with and in some case they aren't used that often or really needed. They may be useful to third party software providers, but the standards aren't keeping up. You can look at the lsb mailing list to see dicsussion on why it is not really being supported in debian naymore
21:32<R4F_Debian>oh, I see, and according what jmcnaught said me, it is not necessary here
21:32<somiaj>https://lists.debian.org/debian-lsb/2015/11/msg00000.html
21:33<somiaj>correct, I belive you are very strickt about only installing packages from the debian repos, in that case lsb compadability is not something you need to worry about.
21:33<somiaj>I'm sure it effects some people (and not jessie has some level of lsb compliance, so I'm unusre at what level it is at)
21:33<somiaj>I think a lot of this is stretch/sid info and partly that gcc5 compiled libs won't be compadable with the ABI calls required for lsb compliance
21:33<R4F_Debian>yes, somiaj, I always take care on installing basically through official and stable Debian Jessie repositories, I avoid non-free
21:34<teatime>non-free is pretty ok if you need something from it
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21:34<R4F_Debian>I see, somiaj, I will read these links you have passed me
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21:35<teatime>the problems start w/ mixing dists, or random crappy 3rd-party repos
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21:35<somiaj>R4F_Debian: lsb compliance was trying to build some standard 'base components' for linux across distros. Usually used by third partiesi and priorprity (non-free) software.
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21:35<jmcnaught>some of the stuff in non-free is considered free by others outside of Debian, like GNU documentation for example
21:35<R4F_Debian>yeah teatime, but I am still novice in Debian Administration. I would easily make mistakes you don't make anymore
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21:35<teatime>jmcnaught: yes, very true
21:35<somiaj>R4F_Debian: the lsb packges in debian were meant to be the packages you needed to install to have this compadability. But this is only an issue for those who need to run the third-party software. Those issue should not be effecting any package in debian.
21:36<teatime>jmcnaught: the only thing that kept me from saying 'non-free is perfectly fine' is I wasn't sure I wanted to endorse nvidia driver lol
21:36<R4F_Debian>great somiaj !
21:36<teatime>although it seems to engender less hate these days from the channel
21:37<somiaj>teatime: yea I try to not offend the fsf folks by "endorsing" non-free, I like to say it is there if you choose to use it.
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21:38<jmcnaught>i still hate the proprietary video drivers :)
21:38<teatime>heh... I will not lose sleep if I offend the FSF, who will not even give debian (of all distros) their free-software stamp of approval
21:38<R4F_Debian>well, jmcnaught, thanks for attention and information. Thank you again, somiaj for ample information about lsb !
21:39<R4F_Debian>yes, teatime, such as mixing in Debian repository linux mint, siduction, ubuntu and make a Frank-Debian, right ?
21:39<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: the other context LSB means something is the LSB headers in init scripts, but systemd units are a lot easier to manage
21:40<somiaj>I'm the other way, I actually like the nvidia blob (hav been using it for 15+ years). I would rather it was 'free', but as for the drivers it has worked for me well enough.
21:40<teatime>R4F_Debian: that is such an unthinkable thing.. that's worse than bad, doing that would be 100% to break everything.
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21:40<R4F_Debian>yes teatime, I did such a thing before
21:41<R4F_Debian>now, I only run Debian GNU/Linux 100% pure Debian blood
21:41<R4F_Debian>don't know if was a correct expression in english, sorry for that, lol
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21:42<somiaj>I think there are actually 'pure blend' or something like that debian derivatives out there that are still considered debian. But this is an aside and not what I think you meant.
21:43<somiaj>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends
21:43<teatime>I am curious about running stock debian on my RPi 2.0 modelB
21:43<somiaj>thrownaway: that's the one that supports arm v7 right?
21:43<somiaj>arg
21:43<somiaj>teatime: ^^, sorry thrownaway
21:44<teatime>I think so, I don't really remember.
21:44<R4F_Debian>yea somiaj, you, jmcnaught, sney understand me already. Thank you !
21:45<somiaj>teatime: double check that, I think that is why debian wont' work on many pi's is because they only support arm v6 and v7 (that is the issue with my old pi, though it was one of the originals (like oriringal release Bs)
21:45<somiaj>but I think the new 2.0 (slightly more expensive models) do
21:45<somiaj>the newest 5 dollar pie I don't think supports version 7 though.
21:45<R4F_Debian>I have to go now, thanks Debian Warriors jmcnaught, somiaj, teatime for Great Support you always give me ! Debian Warriors are the Best !
21:45<R4F_Debian>See you ! Bye !
21:45<teatime>I think the reason you use raspbien is everything has been re-built for arm softfloat abi, and is thus faster; but I think debian has a corresponding arch now. also I may have that backwards.
21:45<jmcnaught>The Pure Blends are basically task/meta-packages.. one or two of them have dedicated installers but the rest you just install from a regular Debian system
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21:47<somiaj>teatime: yea that is an issue too, but the one I ran into when seeing if I could put jessie on my pi (that I rarely use) was that it was the older arm v6 pies and the debian arm or armhf ports dont' support v7 (if I recall correctly)
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21:47<somiaj>arg I mean only support v7
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21:52<teatime>looks like rpi2b has "A 900MHz quad-core ARM Cortex-A7 CPU"; original had "700 MHz single-core ARM1176JZF-S (model A, A+, B, B+, CM)"
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21:59<xhao>Anyone knows how to get latest iceweasel( e.g. firefox 40+) on debian ?
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22:00<jmcnaught>xhao: The Debian Mozilla maintainers have this repo available. By default Jessie tends to include the latest ESR release (unless patches can be backported). http://mozilla.debian.net/
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22:01<xhao>jmcnaught, Muck thanks
22:01<xhao>Much. - -
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