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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-04-23

---Logopened Sat Apr 23 00:00:01 2016
---Daychanged Sat Apr 23 2016
00:00<_44trent3>eh
00:00<_44trent3>it didn't seem like it
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00:00<_44trent3>it's just really unessecarry to have so many leftovers from other DEs, one of which I can't actually use
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00:00<_44trent3>because fglrx breaks it
00:01<diefi>x server?
00:02<_44trent3>something like that. all i know is that gnome won't run with fglrx
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00:03<diefi>had a few problems myself till the xorg.conf had been configured correctly
00:04<_44trent3>i don't really like gnome 3 anyway, i prefer MATE
00:05<diefi>well it was mostly due to multimonitor setup
00:05<_44trent3>sounds complicated
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00:07<_44trent3>oh dear, apt-get is unable to lock administrator directory...
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00:08<_44trent3>another process is using it apparently
00:09<aidalgol>When looking at a Debian Bug report log on bugs.debian.org, what would I search for to find status changes?
00:09<aidalgol>(e.g. severity changed, fixed, etc.)
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00:12<diefi>look futher down https://bugs.debian.org/severity:severity
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00:14<aidalgol>diefi: I don't want to search for bug reports by severity or status; I want to see when a particular bug's severity or status was changed.
00:15<themill>aidalgol: you look at the bug report
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00:19<_44trent3>so i killed dpkg...how do I start it again?
00:22<diefi>did you kill it yourself?
00:22<_44trent3>yeah
00:23<_44trent3>i did pkill dpkg
00:23<diefi>hope it didn't install anything important at that moment
00:24<_44trent3>it shouldn't have, i was trying to kill it because apt-get wasn't working
00:24<themill>yeah umm, not a great plan
00:24<_44trent3>said it was used by another process but...
00:24<_44trent3>ohhhh
00:24<_44trent3>wait no that couldn't have been the problem
00:25<themill>if it was being used by another process then it was
00:25<_44trent3>(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
00:25<_44trent3>of course...I had synaptic open
00:25<_44trent3>i'm stupid
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00:30<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I would like to know if there is a specific channel for Raspbian for Raspberry Pi or I can threat about this subject in this channel
00:31<_44trent3>what program opens .deb files?
00:31<themill>R4F_Debian: #raspbian is on irc.freenode.net; there's also a hardware specific channel over there
00:32<R4F_Debian>Hi themill, nice to see you again. And thanks for help !
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00:33<R4F_Debian>Hope it's everything fine with yours themill. I will visit there, thanks again
00:33<R4F_Debian>Bye All !
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03:10<vortek>my screen keeps flickers everynow in then.. like a split second flicker, any ideas on how or were to look for prolems?
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03:11<vortek>i mean problems
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05:01<rahul>hi all
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05:13<phyrexia>Hello friends. I recently installed Steam along with Bumblebee (I'm the not so proud owner of a nvidia optimus tech. card). Due to issues with Steam/Bumblebee I had to install a downgraded version of libdrm-intel1.
05:14<phyrexia>Performing an apt-get upgrade now leaves me with the error message libdrm-dev : Depends: libdrm-intel1 (= 2.4.58-2) but 2.4.56-1 is installed
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05:14<phyrexia>Marking libdrm-dev on hold using apt-mark hold libdrm-dev does not seem to help.
05:15<phyrexia>I'm unsure whether I need the libdrm-dev package for the Steam installation. Is there any way to verify whether I need the package?
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05:15<peter1138>if you're not building stuff from source you probably don't need it.
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05:15<phyrexia>I am not using the libdrm-dev in any developement way
05:16<phyrexia>So my assumption is I do not need it
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05:16<phyrexia>Running an apt-get remove libdrm-dev does not work either tho
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05:16<phyrexia>It gives me the error message
05:16<phyrexia>The following packages have unmet dependencies: libgl1-mesa-dev : Depends: libdrm-dev (>= 2.4.52) but it is not going to be installed mesa-common-dev : Depends: libdrm-dev (>= 2.4.52) but it is not going to be installed
05:16<phyrexia>E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
05:17<phyrexia>Also unsure whether I need the libgl1-mesa-dev and mesa-common-dev
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11:39<Krasslig>i just installed xfce but kept gnome
11:40<Krasslig>is the login manaegr part of gnome or can i just remove gnome without breaking my system?
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12:25<Yst>I'm having difficulty finding software for Debian that can read CD-text from audio CDs. Any ideas? The only thing that I can find that looks like it works is <apt:k3b>, but I don't see anything in the interface that mentions CD-text and the application refuses to stop pulling unwanted information from CDDB instead.
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12:33<duclicsic>Yst: there is a thing called cd-info in the package libcdio-utils that might be able to do this
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12:38<Yst>Sweet, I think that's what I needed. Thank you duclicsic!
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13:08<EmleyMoor>Is there an app that can play a MOV file that contains a GPS stream, showing on a map where it is?
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13:11<ompaul>EmleyMoor: no idea, but I'd be looking at the exif data and seeing if it was there. I'm presuming that the mov file is a video with embedded gps data.
13:12<ompaul>EmleyMoor: if it is just a track then you can overlay it on a map
13:12<ompaul>then I think maybe osm is a good place to ask questions.
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13:16<EmleyMoor>ompaul: Not sure... there's an app for Windows that does it... will ask there
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13:16<ompaul>EmleyMoor: is it video or just tracks?
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13:17<EmleyMoor>I don't understand the context of "tracks" - could have three meanings at least.
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13:18<ompaul>EmleyMoor: tracks are recorded journeys, typically one data point every some number of seconds.
13:18<ompaul>that data point tells the story of the journey
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13:19<EmleyMoor>The file is video and audio, and the GPS data recording the location along the journey.
13:19<EmleyMoor>VLC happily plays the audio and video
13:20<ompaul>ok so you need something else
13:20<ompaul>I'm unaware of that, as I understand it exif data contains the tracks
13:20<ompaul>the GPS tracks
13:20<ompaul>that is
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13:21<ompaul>EmleyMoor: that seems like someone might have a nice job writing something to parse that data.
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13:23<ompaul>EmleyMoor: have a look at that http://www.stoimen.com/blog/2011/02/04/reading-gps-latitude-and-longitude-from-image-and-video-files/
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14:41<filiwera>hola
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15:10<_44trent3>how do I update to the latest version of linux? i'm only on 3.16
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15:10<_44trent3>as in how do i update to the latest kernel
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15:11<jmcnaught>_44trent3: that is the kernel version present in the last stable release. there are newer kernels available in backports, but if you don't have a particular need for one (eg support for newer hardware), sticking with the stock kernel is best
15:12<jmcnaught>_44trent3: "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" for instructions on how. keep in mind that the stock kernel in Jessie has some drivers backported to it, and security fixes are backported too
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15:14<jelly>_44trent3: do you have an actual problem you're trying to solve by upgrading the kernel, or are you asking just to learn about best debian practice?
15:14<_44trent3>uh, just trying to learn about the best debian practice yeah
15:15<jelly>best practice is "be lazy and keep using the released kernel if things work"
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15:15<jelly>that's 3.16-based for jessie
15:16<awal>a VM is a good thig for try/test stuff
15:16<awal>thing ^
15:16<_44trent3>okay i mean I don't really wanna screw around for the next 2 hours if i'm not having a legit problem
15:16<_44trent3>i'll just stay on 3.16
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15:17<jmcnaught>don't fix what's not broke :)
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15:23<diefi>hi there
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15:26<radikalguru>i cant mount usb drives on debian jessie 8.4 MATE; i tried different drives but they are not list on lsblk or lsusb or df; any suggestions
15:26<radikalguru>listed*
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15:53<diefi>can someone explain/help me with an memory problem regarding dev/mapper/USER-tmp folders? It happened a few times, that weasel lost functionality once all the space is used up. This happens mostly on sites with embeded videos that quickly takes up the available 368MB
15:53<diefi>meanwhile my RAM is half full and SWAP is used 0%
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16:02<jmcnaught>diefi: did you do something special to get /dev/mapper/USER-tmp?
16:03<jmcnaught>diefi: firefox just uses /tmp for me, which is part of my roorfs
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16:10<a001>Hey, I was hoping to try to get some help with getting my display to fit properly on my TV screen
16:10<a001>I may be in the wrong place for general questions though so I apologize if that's the case
16:11<jmcnaught>a001: this is the right place for general Debian support. What have you tried? Which desktop environment are you using?
16:13<a001>Well this is my first shot at an OS besides Windows basically and so far I've tried different resolutions through Xrandr and I've looked through my TV manual to try to find overscan/underscan options to no avail
16:13<a001>I'm on gnome btw
16:15<diefi>jmcnaught: I didn't do anything special it must have been there from the start. well the mapper/USER-tmp is mounted on /tmp
16:18<jmcnaught>diefi: on jessie?
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16:18<diefi>wheezy 7.10
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16:19<diefi>my rootfs is not much bigger 322MB
16:20<jmcnaught>diefi: if you "cd /tmp ; df -h ." what does it say?
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16:20<jmcnaught>a001: my experience with gnome has been that tvs and displays are pretty much plug-and-play. have you tried using the display settings?
16:21<diefi>/dev/mapper/USER-tmp 368M 319M 31M 92% /tmp
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16:22<diefi>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
16:22<diefi>in case you its need :)
16:24<jmcnaught>diefi: it sounds like you made a logical volume for /tmp and it's not big enough for some of the things you're doing. do you have an unallocated space to make this LV larger?
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16:25<diefi>no doesn't look that way
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16:26<diefi>any tools for freeing up some space to allocate for tmp
16:26<diefi>Or can't I simply delete it and mount it somewhere else?
16:27<jmcnaught>diefi: you can resize filesystems and LVs, but when you make them smaller they need to be offline (at least for ext4)
16:27<diefi>because you make it sound like a logical volume for /tmp is more of an exception than the norm
16:28<jmcnaught>diefi: i don't think it's that unordinary if you have a particular need for it, i think some people use tmpfs for /tmp in RAM
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16:29<diefi>well that is why i was wondering why my SWAP is 0%
16:30<jmcnaught>diefi: you could also remove the line for /tmp in fstab, then remove the LV and use the freed extents for another LV
16:30<jmcnaught>diefi: probably because the program you're using puts large files in /tmp instead of in RAM
16:30<diefi>would /tmp be automatically assigned to RAM in that case?
16:31<diefi>as I said its mainly weasel with video content loading that causes the problem
16:31<jmcnaught>diefi: no, /tmp would be on the rootfs if you don't mount something else there. i tried using tmpfs for /tmp once, but ran into problems ripping a DVD that was too large to fit into RAM
16:31<jmcnaught>diefi: do you mean iceweasel?
16:32<diefi>yes
16:33<diefi>and rootfs wouldn't be a smart alternative considering its even smaller with 320 MB
16:34<jmcnaught>diefi: once you stop using the /tmp LV you could make the / LV larger
16:36<diefi>good it would give me additional 180MB
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16:37<diefi>can I post my complete df -h output? for additional questions?
16:38<jmcnaught>diefi: you can use http://paste.debian.net/
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16:39<diefi>http://paste.debian.net/440544/
16:40<diefi>I have 3 other tmpfs are they needed or did I mess up during the installation of debian?
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16:42<jmcnaught>diefi: those are normal, but i don't understand why you have lines 2 and 5 both mounted on /, can you paste your /etc/fstab?
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16:44<diefi>http://paste.debian.net/440546/
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16:47<jmcnaught>diefi: okay well i guess the two lines for / in your first paste are the same filesystem. if it were me i would probably comment out the line for /tmp (with a note in another comment), and reboot to make sure everything works okay. if so, you could remove the /tmp LV and resize the / LV.
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16:49<diefi>Ok I will do so and see if further assistance is needed. Thx a lot
16:49<jmcnaught>diefi: do a backup before resizing logical volumes
16:50<diefi>backup of what exactly?
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16:52<jmcnaught>diefi: especially the LV you are resizing, but you should always have backups. worst case scenario with messing up your / is that you have to reinstall
16:53<diefi>commenting out the /dev/mapper/USER-tmp /tmp just deletes the LV and shouldn't cause problems for starters?
16:53<jmcnaught>diefi: commenting out the line in fstab just means you're not using it anymore, the LV will still be there
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16:55<diefi>ok it doesn't delete it from the MBR
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16:55<diefi>so the next question what is the best way to create backups?
16:57<jmcnaught>diefi: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch10.en.html#_backup_and_recovery and https://wiki.debian.org/BackupAndRecovery are good places to start
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16:57<jmcnaught>diefi: note that if you're using LVM (which it seems that you are), then the logical volumes are not the same as disk partitions
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17:01<diefi>back to the worst case scenario. The only LV that would need repair is the one I'm resizing, in my case / ?
17:01<jmcnaught>diefi: yes, just generally you don't go resizing filesystems without having a backup
17:02<diefi>makes sense
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17:03<diefi>ok I'll do some googleing for the rest till i have further questions ...
17:04<jmcnaught>diefi: in general you'll want to increase the size of the / LV first with lvextend or lvresize before you use resize2fs to grow the filesystem contained on it
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17:05<diefi>where does the deleting of the LV /tmp comes in play, since you mentioned it isn't delete, but simply unused?
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17:08<jmcnaught>diefi: lvremove is for removing an LV. I think the RHEL LVM manual is pretty good for general LVM knowledge. Keep in mind that some of the features that are described in this are not available in wheezy, but what you're doing is basic LVM stuff that's been around for a long time
17:08<jmcnaught>diefi: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Logical_Volume_Manager_Administration/
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17:08<jmcnaught>diefi: you can confirm that you're using LVM with commands like "lvs" to list LVs and "vgs" to list volume groups. I could be wrong, device mapper is used for other things
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17:10<diefi>I think i found a good guide here http://www.tecmint.com/extend-and-reduce-lvms-in-linux/
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18:20<aidalgol>I have a system with IPv6 disabled, and now I get this message in exim's paniclog: "IPv6 socket creation failed: Address family not supported by protocol". How can I tell exim to just use v4, or otherwise suppress this error message?
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18:30<barteks2x>Debian installer can't find iwlwifi firmware on my sd card. Filename mwtahces, it's not in any subdirectory. What am I doing wrong?
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18:32<barteks2x>I'm even able to mount the SD card from console while in the installer
18:32<barteks2x>And I can see these files
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18:35<diefi>tried copy them on your hd first?
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18:36<barteks2x>I couldn't figure out how to mount my hdd from within installer
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18:37<barteks2x>I have a DVD with debian stabe installer and I need iwlwifi firmware too. And I want to get it while installing because I don't have easy access to wired connection
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18:37<jmcnaught>barteks2x: did you look at https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en ? it recommends using a FAT filesystem, putting them firwmares in the root or a directory called /firmware, and provides a link to a tarball with the firmwares
18:37<barteks2x>It's fat32
18:37<zeta>!firmware images
18:37<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
18:37<barteks2x>in the root directory
18:38<jmcnaught>barteks2x: alternatively you could use the unofficial firmware including iso linked on that chapter of the install manual, or finish the isntall without network and install the firmware after the first boot
18:38<barteks2x>wait, should I put a tar.gz with that firmware or just these .ucode files?
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18:40<jmcnaught>barteks2x: the tarball provided in the instructions contains the .deb files. you can also use loose firmwares, but they will not be copied to the installed system
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18:41<barteks2x>So I downloaded wrong file. The one I downloaded contained .ucode files
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19:05<inkbottle>Hi, there is a file "/etc/chromium.d/default-flags"; is it possible to have a per-user version of it? I mean somewhere in /home/name/... I just want chromium to be always called with the option --password-store=basic
19:07<jmcnaught>inkbottle: you could look in ~/.config/chromium/
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19:13<rudi_s>inkbottle: Just for your user or for every user?
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19:13<rudi_s>If it's just for you, why not add a wrapper somewhere in your $PATH which add this option. Or if you mostly use the terminal, just create an alias.
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19:22<inkbottle>jmcnaught: rudi_s: hi...
19:23<jmcnaught>inkbottle: for what it's worth i don't have a /etc/chromium.d/default-flags, was it installed by default for you?
19:23<inkbottle>I first try if the first solution might work
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19:28<inkbottle>Hum I tried to put a file default-flags in .config/chromium, but the file hasn't been read by chromium...
19:29<inkbottle>Also I want this option to be passed even if it's an application that calls chromium, as it is my default browser...
19:30<rudi_s>inkbottle: Why not just put it into /etc/chromium.d/foo?
19:30<rudi_s>It's just a shell script so you could add a if to apply it only to specific users.
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19:35<inkbottle>rudi_s: ok then, it seems a reasonably good solution: I do that.
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19:39<inkbottle>rudi_s: more than a reasonable solution: if I put that "export CHROMIUM_FLAGS" construction in my .profile, I think it'll do it
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19:39<inkbottle>I haven't noticed it was only a script
19:39<inkbottle>thanks
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19:40<rudi_s>Ah, nice. Good idea. - You're welcome.
19:41<Nomeji>hi everyone, I just update my system few minutes ago and i'm now having trouble running mysql. I'm using mariadb-server. When I try to run the deamon I'm getting this error: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111 "Connection refused"). I'm using debian stable so I was surprise of such an error.
19:41<Nomeji>Anyone know what could I do?
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19:42<rudi_s>Nomeji: I've never used mariadb-server, but make sure the service is running.
19:42<Nomeji>I was previusly getting the error "ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2 "No such file or directory")" but I manually created the sock file
19:43<Nomeji>rudi_s That's the thing, I'm trying to run the service when I get the error
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19:44<rudi_s>The server should create the socket if it's not already present. - How do you start the service?
19:44<Nomeji>Running the service fail and manually running the daemon is showning this error.
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19:44<Nomeji># systemctl start mysql
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19:44<Nomeji>but it fail
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19:46<barteks2x>yay, I'm back on stable
19:47<inkbottle>jmcnaught: Oh, I'm following testing... I found this because of http://superuser.com/questions/994551/disable-kwallet-popups-from-chrome
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19:48<inkbottle>so yes by default
19:48<jmcnaught>inkbottle: testing support is in #debian-next, this channel is for stable
19:48<Nomeji>I just don't understand, it's showning the same error even when I try to configure mysql with mysql_secure_installation
19:49<barteks2x>Now finding my old xfce4 theme is going to be a challenge...
19:49<barteks2x>I only know it was green+black
19:50<inkbottle>jmcnaught: Yes but it was a general sort of question, do it's ok... plus there is exactly no one on #debian-next
19:51<inkbottle>s/do/so
19:51<jmcnaught>inkbottle: well, it was confusing because on stable that file doesn't exist, and there are people in #debian-next including me. always best to ask in the appropriate place and be patient
19:52<inkbottle>;-)
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19:54<Nomeji>So I manage to get it work by reconfiguring mysql from the start
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19:54<Nomeji>It works but I loose every users except root
19:54<barteks2x>I have no idea what my old xfce4 window manager style was
19:55<barteks2x>I only know it was something I installed separately
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20:00<barteks2x>I liked my configuration :( I didn't know it will go away
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20:07<rudi_s>Nomeji: Did you check the journal (or systemctl status mysql) for the exact error message?
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20:20<Nomeji>rudi_s that's ok I solve the problem. But anyway, systemctl status was only showing "code 1 exited" and journalctl is not working, I don't know why.
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20:21<Nomeji>rudi_s journalctl is showning "vNo journal files were found." all the time. It was already the case when I install my system so I guess I can't help it.
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20:21<Nomeji>Maybe my server provider disable the feature for storage issue
20:21<rudi_s>Nomeji: You should debug and fix this as the journal (or syslog) is essential on any system.
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20:30<Nomeji>rudi_s yeah I know, I just don't have any clue about that. Do you know were I could start from? It was just not working out of the box as it should be so I didn't know what to do.
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20:31<Nomeji>It's pretty hard to debug the thing that is design to debug if you know what I mean...
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20:34<Nomeji>rudi_s ok so in fact it was really simple... journalctl needs to be run as root. It's not the case on ArchLinux so I didn't expect that.
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20:36<rudi_s>Nomeji: Yeah. IIRC there's also a special group which also gets access to the log, check the man pages for details.
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20:52<bipul>Do anyone help me in installing pbuilder http://paste.debian.net/440565/
20:54<barteks2x>Noooooo... I created backup of my /opt directoryy with things like my IDEs, skype, teamspeak etc. To NTFS drive. I dont think I have to explain why I can't run any of these after copying it back...
20:55<barteks2x>any relatively painless way to get it all running again?
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21:01<barteks2x>screw that, it's my laptop. Just doing chmod -R 777 /opt
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21:11<barteks2x>I still have that problem with bumblebee
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22:11<Krasslig>i just installed xfce but kept gnome
22:11<Krasslig>is the login manaegr part of gnome or can i just remove gnome without breaking my system?
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22:26<Nemoder>you can remove gnome and just keep gdm (or whichever manager you're using)
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22:44<mathstuf>hi, is there a way to have apt-get just not ask me questions on installation?
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22:44<mathstuf>i tried DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive, but that fails installing some packages because their dependencies are not configured
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23:04<mathstuf>and is there a way to not start services as soon as theyre installed?
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23:13<Yst>mathstuf: I'm not sure why, but some services start as soon as installed and when the system starts while others don't.
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23:16<mathstuf>http://paste.fedoraproject.org/359122/14614677/
23:16<mathstuf>my reaction: "and? just put the files on the disk"
23:17<mathstuf>but i dont know how to tell it so :(
23:18<mathstuf>as for which services start and dont automatically, that's part of the setup once things are installed (series of systemctl enable/disable commands)
23:18<mathstuf>as is dropping in proper configuration files for services and such
23:21<Yst>I'm not sure, but I think that it did put it on disk, it just hasn't configure it yet.
23:21<Yst>Unless by "configured", it really means "extracted".
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23:23<mathstuf>i suppose thats true
23:23<mathstuf>but the return code is still non-zero :(
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